NY Giants’ defense has been a disaster, How did it get this bad? The Giants have a lot of problems on defense, and “‘Shane Bowen needs to be fired” is not the answer to all of them.
November 19, 2025
NY Giants’ defense has been a disaster, How did it get this bad? The Giants have a lot of problems on defense, and “‘Shane Bowen needs to be fired” is not the answer to all of them.
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Of the concerns listed in the article, the biggest by far for the Giants is this one:
“Former Giants great Carl Banks asked on the Bleav in Giants podcast this week why Carter, supposedly with that vast repertoire, has, in his view, been reduced to simply trying an inside move over and over without much success.”
That is textbook how mega busts at pass rusher happen. Thats exactly what happened with Chase Young, Vernon Golston, and many others.
Thats some scary shit if Carter becomes locked on a single move without a pass rush plan.
Yes the full answer is shane Bowen needs to be fired a good defensive coordinator needs to be hired.
The answer to the rest of them is Brian Daboll got fired. He was also in charge of the defense.
They have some personnel issues but I would say it’s mostly coaching. The talent level is there. Opposing coaches are easily able to scheme against this defense. If your coaching staff isn’t up to the level of the opponent in the NFL it’s like playing on easy mode for them.
Another issue is referees give no breaks to bad teams. The Giants have been the worst team in the NFL this decade. 32nd out of 32 teams. You’re not getting calls if you’re constantly 2-9.
Players are unmotivated. Dexter has been checked out all season, maybe he needs a change of scenery. There’s talent on this side of the ball, but it doesn’t matter because they play like they don’t want to be here.
The play calling is garbage and the secondary is softer than baby shit
We know.
It’s not, but it’s a start.
So many players underperforming points to a sucky DC and no accountability culture (Daboll).
Tbf didn’t the patriots barely change their roster and just got themselves a new coaching staff and now they’re on top again?
We’ve had shit inside linebackers for years and act surprised when our run defense is inherently awful.
Narrator: “Actually, that was the answer.”
It it’s the main answer
I think it should be examined that we have the second most money spent on defense but a bottom tier defense, it’s not just on just Shane Bowen, but Joe Schoen needs to be held accountable as well
I mean Bowen does need to be fired but so does Schoen, he’s whiffed on way too many players in the draft and then doubles down on them, refusing to call it quits when its clearly not working like Neal, Hyatt or Banks. Dude falls in love with his picks way too much and won’t give up on them but then let’s Gettlemans picks that were way more talented walk into free agency. He can make good moves for already established players like he did for Burns but then leaves the receiver room empty till week 10 while letting guys they were using off the practice squad just walk to another team like they didnt need any receiver with the ability to make a catch desperately.
Shane Bowen needs to be fired out of a cannon. Its not the answer to all the problems but it is the answer to a lot of them.
It seems like we were having the exact same conversation about the O-line before Bricillo came along. Good coaching makes subpar units serviceable and good units great.
Sure, not all of it is on Bowen but the article questions multiple times if players are being used the right way. That’s on Bowen. He knows what players he has, he has to run schemes that give them the best chance at success. Instead he runs “his” defense with players who could produce better in a different scheme. Bowen tries to adapt his players to his scheme, not his scheme to the players he has. That’s how you produce an underachieving unit.
The lack of player development and decline is on the coaching as well.
Maybe it’s not the answer to all of them, but it’s the answer to a vast majority of them… basically everything outside of effort is on him, and frankly even that is partially his doing if they don’t trust his system
Shane Bowen needs to be fired is not the answer to all the problems, but it is the starting point for every solution.
19 comments
Of the concerns listed in the article, the biggest by far for the Giants is this one:
“Former Giants great Carl Banks asked on the Bleav in Giants podcast this week why Carter, supposedly with that vast repertoire, has, in his view, been reduced to simply trying an inside move over and over without much success.”
That is textbook how mega busts at pass rusher happen. Thats exactly what happened with Chase Young, Vernon Golston, and many others.
Thats some scary shit if Carter becomes locked on a single move without a pass rush plan.
Yes the full answer is shane Bowen needs to be fired a good defensive coordinator needs to be hired.
The answer to the rest of them is Brian Daboll got fired. He was also in charge of the defense.
They have some personnel issues but I would say it’s mostly coaching. The talent level is there. Opposing coaches are easily able to scheme against this defense. If your coaching staff isn’t up to the level of the opponent in the NFL it’s like playing on easy mode for them.
Another issue is referees give no breaks to bad teams. The Giants have been the worst team in the NFL this decade. 32nd out of 32 teams. You’re not getting calls if you’re constantly 2-9.
Players are unmotivated. Dexter has been checked out all season, maybe he needs a change of scenery. There’s talent on this side of the ball, but it doesn’t matter because they play like they don’t want to be here.
The play calling is garbage and the secondary is softer than baby shit
We know.
It’s not, but it’s a start.
So many players underperforming points to a sucky DC and no accountability culture (Daboll).
Tbf didn’t the patriots barely change their roster and just got themselves a new coaching staff and now they’re on top again?
We’ve had shit inside linebackers for years and act surprised when our run defense is inherently awful.
Narrator: “Actually, that was the answer.”
It it’s the main answer
I think it should be examined that we have the second most money spent on defense but a bottom tier defense, it’s not just on just Shane Bowen, but Joe Schoen needs to be held accountable as well
I mean Bowen does need to be fired but so does Schoen, he’s whiffed on way too many players in the draft and then doubles down on them, refusing to call it quits when its clearly not working like Neal, Hyatt or Banks. Dude falls in love with his picks way too much and won’t give up on them but then let’s Gettlemans picks that were way more talented walk into free agency. He can make good moves for already established players like he did for Burns but then leaves the receiver room empty till week 10 while letting guys they were using off the practice squad just walk to another team like they didnt need any receiver with the ability to make a catch desperately.
Shane Bowen needs to be fired out of a cannon. Its not the answer to all the problems but it is the answer to a lot of them.
It seems like we were having the exact same conversation about the O-line before Bricillo came along. Good coaching makes subpar units serviceable and good units great.
Sure, not all of it is on Bowen but the article questions multiple times if players are being used the right way. That’s on Bowen. He knows what players he has, he has to run schemes that give them the best chance at success. Instead he runs “his” defense with players who could produce better in a different scheme. Bowen tries to adapt his players to his scheme, not his scheme to the players he has. That’s how you produce an underachieving unit.
The lack of player development and decline is on the coaching as well.
Maybe it’s not the answer to all of them, but it’s the answer to a vast majority of them… basically everything outside of effort is on him, and frankly even that is partially his doing if they don’t trust his system
Shane Bowen needs to be fired is not the answer to all the problems, but it is the starting point for every solution.