Unpacking A Wild Final Two Minutes Last Night Against The Islanders | DLLS Stars Podcast

Unpacking A Wild Final Two Minutes Last Night Against The Islanders | DLLS Stars Podcast

I’m tired. Didn’t get stuck to the rapper, though. Get ready, boys. So, this was unplanned for our cold open. Now, you may or may not know that Luds has a sneaky method of occasionally using a cough drop to help with the laws of throat, but you’re pretty good about tucking it away so it doesn’t affect your speech, right? Yeah. Right. Well, Sam just piled in one of those giant rectangular a lot of two Jolly Ranchers as we go live. Because it doesn’t affect your addiction at all. No. My what? Exactly. Let’s start the show. You can’t put a bounty on a man’s head. I just did. [Music] [Music] [Music] This is the DLLS Stars podcast on Wednesday, November 19th. And just a reminder, no, we do not have a dump button. So everything we say, whether you like it or not, goes out live over YouTube. And then, of course, if you’re listening later, maybe it gets edited before we put it on all of the audio streaming platforms. We have Are you talking about toilets? You’re thinking of You’re thinking on the airplane when you dump button when you press the button. It scares the crap out of you. The flush valve is what sends the water from the tank on the top of your toilet into the bowl of your toilet. That’s called a flush valve. Do you know the many of them? You’ve probably destroyed many of them. Seven of them. But what’s the the handle called? The flush handle. That’s a dump valve. That’s a flusher. I think it’s the handle. Did you know that frozen feces falls off of airplanes and flies to the earth sometimes? Anecdotal. What happens if it hits you? Have you seen Joe? I don’t know. Joe D. I know that that but that’s a movie. I I learned recently that really happens. Yes, that’s a bunch of Well, you say Yeah, it is. Should we welcome in Sam? We have Craig Lewig. We have Proximity Sam Nestler. I’m Owen Newkerk. Ryan VA is our producer. And Sean Shapiro is on the show today. today. He’s either volunteering at a soup kitchen or he is a patron of said soup kitchen. So, we’re just patron of said soup kitchen. Yeah. Who can say? Um Sean, poor journalists. Uh don’t go into this field. You end up going to soup kitchens. Uh you can’t feed your family. That’s not We had a big big game last night that was pretty said low event until it wasn’t the last I’d say two minutes maybe a little bit in the third period overall, but definitely the last two minutes of the game. And so this is one of those games where even though we spent a full postgame show and I thought Luds that we did a great job hitting all the the big points of the game last night, but we need to digest it a little bit more. So, we have a lot of stuff today to get into. Before we do though, let’s talk about the new shirts that aren’t so new, but they are still the newest shirts for our merchandise collection. They are the DLS Faceoff Collection. You know, Black Friday is coming up. The holidays right behind that. If you’re looking for a gift, what better way than to get them a great shirt from DLS? Whether it’s these two FA of the Face Off collection, the classic Die Hard shirt, which still has some scraps from my lunch on it apparently. Sam’s got a very new notironed Wyatt Johnston 16bit. LZ has got the classic flag shirt on. Alldls.com. Ryan, who refuses to put himself on camera, is wearing the Skyline, which is one of my personal favorites along with the Finnish Mafia. All dls.com and get your DLS merch today. Okay guys, let’s get into last night and some of the things that we need to follow up on. Uh, I believe the first part of this is going to be breaking down the Stars defending and goalending from last night against the Islanders. And when Craig Lewig calls for the ball, you give him the ball because usually he says, “Don’t give me the puck. Somebody else should have it.” But if he wants it, you know, that never happened in any of my games, right? No one never passes it to you, right? I didn’t want it. I had nothing to do with it. We didn’t get along. Well, Luds wanted the puck this morning. So, we’re going to give it to him. And let’s start with the Islanders first goal where Luds wants to show that and then Sean has some uh sort of complimentary breakdowns of this. This was the Callum Richie goal as we start to answer the question, what are the stars doing defensively and and where is Jake’s game right now through the first 20 games of the season? Okay, so yeah, and and I Sean obviously is going to pick up on on on Jake and that whole debacle that happened, but here this is about passing lanes for me. And again, this is what Glenn Gullixson is working towards. You have to know where the passing lanes are. And you could see you could drive a truck through this one. Then when you’re bringing people back to the net, you have to take them all the way back to the net. This is Oscar Beck who comes through again. Remember that first clip where the passing lanes were open? They’re still open. So nobody up top ever even moved to drop down a little bit lower, keep it out of the dangerous area. Right here, Beck doesn’t stay with the shooter, which is Callum Richie. And you can see right here, look at the eyes looking away from everywhere but where it should be looking. And so here was where it and really it only took a half a step and Richie jumps into that hole. And then again, you know that and we’re going to talk and I saw this this morning. I’m glad Sean’s doing this because I was wondering well we can talk about this later. Sean can talk about this, but the only spot I want to go with this. So anyway, that those are the passing lanes that I talk about. Sticks got to be in lanes. you got to collapse to the front and if it goes back to the point, you’re fine cuz you’re in a shooting lane and that’s what happens when you take away the middle of the ice. And then the fir when I looked at it again this morning, first thing I thought of was what Sean’s going to talk about is I was wondering why. And can we pull up that very first one? I want to let Shawn talk about this because I’m thinking that’s where you’re going to go, Sean. Yes. Go to the Ryan, go to the Ryan, go to the first one. There’s there’s two from this call. Go to the first one. So yeah. Okay. Yeah. So I want to talk just to start here. So you have the passing lanes are wide open, everything like that, but right now we’re going to look at just Jake’s job here. Jake has slid over right to left. He’s gotten to this spot. Mero is actually taking away this shot fully for for Jake here in this spot. There are there’s the shooter is not a threat. There are three other threats, right? And whether and and as and it’s there’s the there’s the top of the point. There’s Richie who’s eventually going to score. You see him circled there on the right and then obviously see the the guy in the crease. The thing with Jake’s decision- making on all of this and this is right after the slide over. And so from this spot, the play recognition is there are three threats. All three of them are coming off of a pass. So as a goalie in this spot, you’re not squaring to the shooter. You are now you need to play deeper. You need to be an athlete and read the play and realize that your next move is going to be to deal with a shot off a pass if get some something gets through. And so this is where now now Ryan go to the next one because this was right this so now look how Jake has gotten set up. So Jake the the initial photo before showed Jake right after the slide over from that spot you need to see your goalie basically either move deeper actually deeper to the middle of the crease or deeper to the post. Either way is fine. Just something along the lines that works of okay, understanding the depth of the situation. Jake has come out and threatened this has come out and challenged this play like the clean shot is the only real threat. And that’s what he’s done here. And in doing so, he’s basically taken himself out of the play to eventually handle this pass to Caleum Richie. Now, it’s it’s a great it’s it’s poor zone. It’s poor defensive zone coverage by the Stars. let the pass be there and everything like that, but has no chance to make this because he has no chance to make this save because he went and aggressively challenged a shot that wasn’t the threat. And that’s that’s the big thing, right? Like the starters are going to have there’s two big conversations here. The defensive zone coverage, the passing lanes that open up. But if you’re Jeff Ree and Jake, you’re looking at this and you’re like, why are you giving yourself an extra two feet of push you have to handle right now? that where if that initial passer believe that was Duclair, right? Like if if he goes and uh if he takes the shot from there, that’s a shot that’s that’s an easy shot into your gut or it hits Muro and it’s a trickle and and you handle it well. Like why are you making your life more difficult on that? And there’s a couple instances of that last night. We’ll talk about some other goals too as well with with Jake where there’s just some decision- making where he made his life harder. And when your defense is already making your life harder with some of these passing lanes, it it becomes a really rough combination as we saw here. Sean, what happens here is people don’t trust each other. That that that’s that’s what it comes down to me. And and so the only thing I’m going to ask you, Sean, does it why it does it seem like he’s overcompensating on the glove side? Is he concerned about that or is it just something completely different? Well, I mean, it’s I think it’s it’s a bit of a trust thing, LS. I mean, and we’ll talk about the third goal in a little bit here, but part of the third goal is a spot where you have there there’s a there’s a trusting your defender to do the right thing. And there there’s a bit of an irony for me on this because both goal one and three. And we’ll go over the graphics for three in a little bit here. You got one of the best defenders on the planet who if you’re going to trust anyone, you should trust Miro to do the right thing. And Jake is overcompensating that Miro is not going to do the right thing on this. And it’s that’s I mean Jake will never see that obviously, but his body language and his decision-making is showing. I don’t trust that the right decision is going to be made. And that’s it’s it’s it’s a trust communication thing. It’s something where if you’re the stars and you are Jeff Reese and the coaching staff and everything like that, you kind of got to sit down and look and say, “Look, if the if you get if you play this the right way and we get and we get beat, that’s not on you right now.” But this this this you make this about you. you make this a problem that you’ve exasperated because there’s a chance for a world class save here if he is on the left post and allowing if he’s on the left post and allows himself to read and gives allows his athleticism to read the play. But the second he takes he gives himself an extra foot of travel on this he takes away any chance of making the save and that’s it’s it goes back to the trusting that Miro of all people is going to do the right thing and he just needs to do that. So yeah, that’s what Sean just said at the end. I was going to ask the same question is the it’s not that Jake should make this safe, right? That’s that’s a great play. It’s a back door pass, a wide open for, but he didn’t give himself a chance. And that’s why I’m glad you said that cuz that’s what that’s what Jake does sometimes that you’re you’re looking at and thinking just make a little better read and you can at least get there instead of just being completely hung out to dry. But, uh, before you move on to the other ones, Sean, I’m curious. Is this what Jeff Ree and the goalies are watching this type of stuff? Do they look at it this way and say, “Here’s your read on this play. Here’s what we could have done better.” and go over it that way. Yeah. I mean, this is the this is why that the position is so technically over coached now, right? Like there is the you want and I was actually I was I was speaking to Dave Lassan. I’m at USA Hockey Arena right now and I was actually speaking to Dave Lassand who’s the coach for the under 18 under 17 national teams today. And there’s part of the decision where if you’re a goalie coach today after a game like that, and we weren’t talking about Jake, but we were talking in general, how do you coach goalies to learn from mistakes and learn from that? This is a part of it where you’re going to go and you’re going to take this clip and you’re going to show it and you’re going to be like, “Okay, let’s talk about what you should do.” Not give. It’s not Jeff Reese’s job to tell Jake what to do. It’s his job to help Jake be the problem solver himself because Jake is a world-class athlete. he has the potential to be one of the best goalies in the world. And if he just gives himself some of that foundational space within his play reading and his decision-m all of a sudden there is the there there’s there’s some opportunity to turn should be goals like Richie’s goal into potentially world class saves. And so I think that is that that’s the lesson today. You come at it from a point of understanding of we’re not being we’re not telling you to change your game a ton this way or the other, but be the problem solver. Be the athlete on it. be someone who’s going to look at this and when it comes to the play reading, we know you’re smart enough to do this. So, just use the tools you already have. And I think that that’s that’s what allows that’s what’s going to work well for the Stars if Jeff Reese and Jake have that conversation today. And and this is all what you guys say are all incredibly important points. Sam and I were in the press box last night watching that unfold. Sam immediately leans and goes, “That all happened because the the Quebec line, that’s right, the Quebec line.” We’ll we’ll talk about that later, but they the Bourc Beck and Rovian line failed to get the puck out. I think they had two attempts on that shift and then they finally got it to the other blue line and turned it over at the and then and that’s what led to what Luds broke down and then what Sean did with the goal itself. So, there are layers to this. It’s not just on the defense and it’s not just on Jake. It’s it’s the whole thing on a on a play like that. I’m going back to the beginning. Yep. Okay. And I don’t want to throw a wrench into this, but Sean, go back to the very first point you said about Mero. Could you Can you pull that up again, Ryan? Just the very first clip that you had for Sean. Are we If we’re too far, it doesn’t matter. With the three passing lines. Yeah. I So Sean, that this very first clip here, what did you say about Mero? Did you say Miro has got the shot here? Mro has the shot here. Yeah, this is this is a play whether it is the right or wrong thing from Jake’s perspective at this spot. Miro has the shot and he has taken the shot and that is something where um I’d like to see a little bit better from Miro honestly on cutting that lane for not necessarily the I’d like to see that that stick ls I’m sure you talk a lot about that stick position. I’d like to see Miro stick position a little bit differently here but yeah in this situation from this spot from the play recognition spot from Jake Miro has taken this shot. This shot is there’s no way a clean shot gets through. And you know what? If Anthony Duclair picks the picks the elbow with a snipe of the left corner above the glove, Anthony Duclair is hitting the shot of his life and you just clap and say, “Okay, it happened.” That’s but that’s not going to happen. Anthony Duclair is not I don’t know what shooter you want to be to say that is. But that that’s that’s the play reckoning is you have to understand on that. So we have a disagreement here. It’s not a disagreement. I think he’s saying should have the shot where he’s positioned. Yeah. Never taught that way. have never been taught that way. From where Hang on a second now. We always shut up for you. So from where where that shooter is, he’s on the other side of the faceoff dot. I’m And every goalie I’ve played with, including the guy that was behind the bench the other night, wants that shot. I don’t want Miro in front of him with that shot. My responsibility along with Essa, is nothing’s coming across. I The goalenders don’t want to have to move. So it’s the same way as playing a twoon-one. when you’re in a certain place on the ice, you want to give him the shooter. So, right now, he has no option but to have to come across because nobody’s taking the passing lane. If Mero backs off and he backs more in the middle of the ice and I step out of and he’s got a clear sight from here, I don’t care if you’re a 14year-old from there, you better stop that shot if you’re a goalender. But by now having another set of legs here, by me putting my stick in that lane and possibly tipping it, I promise you Jake is going to look right at you and go, “Get your stick out of the way.” I’ve got that. That’s where I disagree with Mero’s got the shot lane. Never going to happen on my guys. No, no. Yeah. No, no, but the point is not that Mero did the right thing. The point is the play recognition for Jake. You have to be from my perspective when you look at what Jake would read on this and everything. It’s that when someone else has effed up, your job is to al you you still have if if someone in front of you fs up, you have to then make your own adjustment to make up for them effing up, right? That’s that’s that’s where my point goes on this. So, okay. All right. So, so you’re saying you would rather you you want Jake to take that shot in the perfect world? Yes. You Okay. In a perfect world. Okay. I misunderstood that. I’m I’m having shakes right now. So, take a breath. Yeah, because you have a read. And we’re going to talk much more about this with some more plays next. You’re on the DLS Stars podcast. Right now, I look like to put a hole in a roof. With over 500 or no, it’s 700 five-star reviews and an average rating of 4.9. Qualas roofing is one of the most trusted names in roofing across North Texas and Austin. Homeowners and business owners alike consistently praise Qualis for their honesty, follow-through, and quality workmanship. Whether it’s your home or your business, Qualis Roofing has you covered, literally. They specialize in both residential and commercial roofing projects. Based right here in North Texas, Qualis isn’t some storm flying by the night kind of crew. They’re local. They’re experienced. 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So, this was the correct way, but from a defenseman standpoint, I showed this last night and you can see where Mero, we’ve got a saying sometimes, you can’t get your nose over your toes. And so for a big guy when you’re leaning too far forward, it’s hard for you to adjust when somebody makes a move. And obviously Schaefer makes a little nice nifty move here and it goes between his legs. And now when you’re leaning over, you can adjust to that. This one here, Bishell turns. And then we can fast forward to the uh here we go again. This is Coco Cabana. Now this time, and you can see his head is over his toes. Little move to the inside. He can’t recover either. But this is the part when Sean will remember this right now. This is how you come back to the front of your net and you stop in front. There’s Bour, there’s Hastenan. Puck goes behind the net. You take care of the front of the net. Now we can go ahead and Shawn can pick up on the uh that I want to make a point because we are going to be a little critical of Jake on a couple of plays, but he made a great save on Simple there after he beat Capo Biano. Now Sean, we go to the Bo Horvac goal, which was the the go-ahead goal to start the third period that made it two to one. Yeah. And this one is this one this one’s fluky. This one’s fluky, right? There’s not a ton to break down on this. It’s just a simple a lot of goalending is looking at what happened and taking notes for your tool bag for the future on this. And for me, this is this is the one on this. Obviously, Lud’s talked about no one about stopping at the front of your net and things like that which come to play, but this is a play where that puck right there, it’s circled in the red circle and everything like that. It’s that should be the end of that play. It should be it was a rush. The puck goes there and it’s one of the spots where I don’t know, LS, you uh this was a little bit more guys did this a little more common when you played. Hashik was the one who did it more than anyone else, but even Eddie did it a little bit. Like you used to see goalies willing to just drop their stick and grab that puck with hand, right? Like it used to be it used to be a habit of like, “Hey, I’m just going to I’m going to just drop the stick, grab the pick it up with the blocker, and we’re going to be done here.” And it’s it’s one of those plays where because of how modern NHL goalies don’t really do it that often, only a select few do, he’s attempting to basically trap that puck against the side of his net, right? Like that’s when he’s pulling his stick over there, he’s trying to trap it where the logical and simpler plays. He drops his stick, grabs with the blocker hand, we have a whistle, the play’s over. And that that’s that’s another thing that I think just you talk about things that should be in the tool bag and things that the goalie coach and the goalie will talk about today. Those are the little decisions that this is a 3-2 game. That goal with 0.1 seconds left, it’s not a 3-2 game if we’re not talking if there’s just a freeze, right? And so that that’s the thing I couldn’t help but look at that way cuz I mean how many times less did you see goalies be willing to hey I have a free hand. I can drop my stick to freeze this puck. And that’s just what I wanted to see from Jake in that moment there. And I’ll tell you what Sean, the very first thing I asked Ryan on that when we were sitting upstairs and watched it. I said Jake stick must have got caught in the net, you know, because it it didn’t come off the wall like because the dasher boards are like trampolines. I mean typically it comes off hot, right? comes back out front pretty good. This one was like a slow roller and I I think that kind of caught Jake a little bit offguard also. But my biggest pet peeve is on the left hand side of the screen here. This is Ritzkovian, right? And so as the as the player that’s got the puck ends up behind the net, Ritzkovian just comes right back down behind the goal line. We end up having three guys down here where in that previous one that I just showed you, everybody’s stopping in front of the net. If everybody if you don’t know, don’t go. So you’re just guessing. Rovian actually puck came out the other side as you see. Rokovian lost sight of it. He should just go, “Hang on a second. I’m not sure it is. I’m in a better spot here than I am to where he ultimately went.” Yeah. And Sean, I I talked to Jake about this today cuz I knew you guys were going to be talking about on the show. Uh he said he actually used the same word, which was fluke. He he was he was disappointed that he didn’t handle it easier, but he was saying it was just one of those weird plays where it wasn’t a simple read, but he actually said I’m wondering if maybe he was holding his hand backwards when he was talking to me, but he was saying that he was trying to just stop it versus pin it. He was trying to just stop the puck so that it would come to a halt at the goal line and then he could cover it and it went underneath the skinny part of his stick, which it didn’t look like in that one. So maybe it was the other way and he just flipped his hand. Um, but it was just interesting that he used the same word. He was like, I was trying to make a simple play and the it was just a fluky one. He didn’t even realize it came out until it was already basically in the net. Well, and I think that’s Sam to your point on that and it’s the and it’s just it’s how much and I think Jake is a little bit more of a problem solver than a lot of NHL goalies. It’s why he is can be in that conversation for one of the top 10 goalies on the planet when he’s playing well. But there is a lot of the position now in today’s NHL where the position is so overly rigid and uh constructed, right? where everyone is taught um puck goes right to left uh goes right to left and everything like that and hey you must do this or if a guy’s coming down from the if he’s below the right circle uh you go into the RVH the reverse vertical horizontal you go into that right away and guys just become so robotic that way and just I go back to the phrase I used earlier um when it came to the play reading just be an athlete the athlet it’s you don’t need to be a robot on this play be stopping the puck on the side of it and then taking the extra action to do it. That’s being robotic. Being a being an athlete is dropping your stick and picking it up. I mean, I’m a 36y old subpar beerly goalie. If I can do this very if I can do this very easily, if I can drop my stick and pick up a puck and and and and freeze a puck, Jakeer can do it. Make an eight point whatever he is million dollars per year pretty easily as a much better athlete than I am. So, it’s it just it’s it’s kind of it kind of goes into that perspective for me of be an athlete in the position and read the play and adjust to it because you have all the tools in the world that separate you from other goalies because of when when you use that athlete brain. And Jake, just it’s there’s a couple examples last night of Jake being a little bit too robotic, too rigid, a little bit too much not um Well, Sean, why don’t we go to the shorthanded goal from Kyle Palmary and you share with us your thoughts on that. Yeah. So where the pulary one and this is so we we’re talking about Luds when when you look at the pass here, right? Like this is a spot where it’s a twoon-one and he’s actually I intentionally drew the lines here because if this is if this is coming down from a spot if if if you got Paul Mary coming down and it is a he is a shoot and pass option, Jake has done everything right. This is another spot of Jake not trusting that the pass isn’t going to get through. This is a spot here where he gets beat on the short side. I’d love to see him, you kind of look at the spacing there. I’d love to see him cheat a little bit to the right here because you have to trust that you know what, maybe this time your D and then even your forward tracking back are taking away that pass. And if that pass gets through and scores there on on a on a one-time shot off that, that’s not on you. On top of that, because this is a a left-handed shot coming down the other side where the pass would go to. Obviously, Paul Mary’s a righty coming down, making a pass to a potential lefty, this is one where that shot is potentially coming back across the grain to where it’s it’s a very difficult shot for a lefty to go high glove here. It’s likely coming back across the grain. So, this is this is a play where you look at the situation in front of him again and you kind of see how things have played out. and you’re like, “Okay, it’s okay to cheat a bit right here and not get beat by a blocker.” Especially when you look at Jake and you look at kind of his game right now. Teams have been circling that blocker that has been just let’s let’s just call it what it is. Teams have gone and in their pre-cout report, one of one of the one of the one of the books on Jake Hoter is, hey, we’re going to beat him. We’re going to beat him high stack side. That’s the play. You’re not going to beat him on the ice. You’re not going to be the glove the glove is very good. You’re not going to beat him on the ice. He’s going to seal the ice really well. So, if you’re going to if you have the shot, I guarantee you the Islanders and their pre-cout said, “Hey, if you get that look at J, if you get that if you get an open look, look on look on the stick site.” So, you have to adjust to that. You have to adjust to the league knowing the book on you. And this is just what I’d like to see. And these are the things that once again, he can be one of the best goalies on on the planet. He can be, but these are the things that are right now holding him back from doing that in the moment. See, now now for me on that one, you can pull that up again, Ryan. Like for me, I thought Miro did a good job. And when you’re when you’re on an outnumbered rush, your first priority is to buy time to allow somebody to get back into the play and help. So turn a twoon one and two. And I believe this is Robo coming back. And and he does that. Like he gives Robo a chance here. Now you’re a little bit handcuffed as Sean said because you got two guys on their off sides. So when you’re when the shooter’s got the puck here, you have to play him differently as a defenseman than if he’s a lefty coming down. You got to take a little bit more away from him because the shoot the puck is actually in a better scoring area. So you can play a little bit tighter. But what I didn’t like about what Mero did and it’s just it’s a tiny little thing is pull that up again. So when Miro’s got his stick here, sticks in a passing, everything’s good. And you can see how he’s got his stick blade, right? He’s got a stick turned over. The toe of his blade is basically facing up the defenseman when you start to see and it’s you don’t have to change your body anything. You don’t have to change your position. But what you do is you just roll your wrist. You roll your wrist. So you flip the blade over. And now all of a sudden you gain about another 3 in. And if he flips his stick over, just flops it over to where you could close the face of your your your stick so to speak. He would deflect that puck right there. Everything he does he does everything the same thing. But the last second when you can see him loading up the way he is and you’ve bought in time, you’ve bought time for Robo to get back into a passing lane. If he sees that somehow picks it up and then wants to slide it across, your back checker probably picks that off. But from here, again, I don’t think it should go in from here, you know, and again, that’s just my opinion. And I think that that he’s got, you know, he right here again, I’ve done my job for the most part to saying, “You got the shooter. You should come out.” Because to me, anytime a goalender doesn’t come out and challenge an outnumbered rushes, I believe that he doesn’t trust who’s in front of him. He’s getting ready to load up and get ready to slide across. All right, we have a make good from last night because we had a super chat that came in about Jayer right as we went off the air. We actually went off, but T Farmer is one of our first die hards and so of course try to send in your super chats during when we’re live either at the start or the end of the show. That’s helpful. But he’s he did a master and 99 cup here. I would never bad badmouth Jake yet. Here we are. Always November and December until he’s lights out come the turn of the year. I don’t know what it is, but it is a thing. Just another game byame fan overreacting. Mind my takes dot dot dot. So Sean, this was the question that Luds as we left the studio last night was saying where, you know, he talked about this the the brick wall image, the picture of the brick wall with a crack in it that we’ve seen already on the show today and on his three stars on Monday. Kind of using that as an analogy for Jake’s game. Generally pretty sturdy, but with some seams that might be appearing. What’s your take of uh where I mean Leds, this is your question to him, but it’s what’s your take of Jakeer through the first 20 games of the NHL season? I mean, he’s been good, but not great, right? And that’s the And that’s that’s fine. This team is really good hockey team and they can be one of the top three or four teams in standing wise with a good goalie and he’s been good. He hasn’t been a great goalie and if he’s going to be if this team wants to win the 16 games in the spring, he needs to be great. And so that that’s that’s that’s the way I look at it. And um and we shouldn’t attach like we don’t have to attach salary cap numbers to everything, but if you’re going to make is $ 8.25 million per year and everything like that, you have to be great, right? That’s that’s just the reality of the situation. That’s what comes with the job that comes with the pay. And so yeah, we we we grade Jakeer much more harshly than we grade Casey to Smith. That’s the reality. He’s paying. We’ll pop up pop up your your stats that you submitted to Ryan. So, let’s take a look at what you take from these numbers. Which do you want first, Sean? Uh, give me the uh first give me the the the on ice one just with the the location of the of the on ice space there. Yeah. So, to give you an idea of just like you look at when it comes to most NHL goals are scored in that area where the save percentage is 77%, right? like that little that high danger area spot. And so the first thing in we’ll talk about a quick in Jake’s defense real quick. We’ll we’ll talk about about Jake’s defense real quick here is that’s a lot of shots that the Stars are giving up a lot right in front of the net there. Right. So let’s let’s let’s set the context here of he the Stars are giving up way too much right there in front of the net that he’s dealing with. And that’s and that’s just that’s that’s a reality. The other reality is through we are we’re at a spot through Ryan. Go back to the other one real quick. Um just the uh if you look at kind of those those those side spaces, right, where he’s led up we’re looking at 11 go he’s in in 20 something Jake’s played 18 games, right? He’s got 11 goals led up from the flanks. That the area where you see the one with the 88.2 save percentage and the 90.2 save percentage. Those are the areas where if I’m letting up if you’re letting up a goal basically every 11 out of 18 games, so a little bit more than half of every game from the flank and everything like that. Those are the uh those are those are those are the saves and stops you need as a goalie. And so it’s once again, this is a good chart, but not a great chart. So Ryan, let’s go to the next one now just from the kind of the the spot on on on what teams. So this is this this data is courtyard of uh Instat. Give credit to them over there. But like I said earlier, Jake is so good at sealing the ice. You look at if the puck’s on the ice between if it’s low 97% 95% 92% shots there. But you start looking at up high and you start looking at where teams are finding the holes. Um, glove is definitely not I mentioned blocker before, but glove has not been super clean, right? 25 shots above the between between left shoulder and right above left glove. Looking at 30 30 shots there so far this season. It’s only stopped 19 of them. That’s not a number. That’s that’s that’s not a great indication of his hands. You look at the the blocker side. The book is out that teams are going to say, “Hey, we’re going to elevate and we’re going to beat this guy high.” And when you’re a six foot five goalender and the book on you is to elevate and beat pucks, there’s something you need to work on to to get over that. Once again, these aren’t is it a focus thing or whatever you want to call it. It’s these these are the things that and I will turn off my I’ll go uh I’m sorry about the the dinging here. I forgot to put my phone on do not disturb. But these are these are things that can be corrected and adjusted, but it’s why we need to point them out. So yeah, I got a question for Sean after the break. All right, up next we will hit the end of game goalie interference call again because we have some stuff to hear from it. We’ll talk about the MO hit on Romanov or Romanov and more injury updates. DLS Stars podcast continues here in a moment. He needs some milk. Not sure what that one’s on, but they were trying to get that in the chat. That was the chat suggesting yan. You might need a snack. You need Snickers. Why is my blood sugar? That’s what the chat was saying. I am. I’m a little pet peeved. That’s right. But the good news was is that obviously from behind the net and at the other end of the ring, Jake is 100% with a save percentage. So, it’s not going in from 180 ft away. I like that. So, uh speaking of hitting, let’s let’s hit the uh faceoff collection, okay? Because this we haven’t talked about this enough. So, there we got the green shirt. is still green and the black one is obviously still black and we’re we’re all kind of catering to the green one. So that’s the Dallas hockey shirt, but what I want to talk about today is the Moose shirt. Now, let’s find the Moose shirt because he seems to be the topic around the NHL. So, we have the Finnish Mafia one, but this one today is this is about the Moo shirt. That’s one I actually do not own. I have quite a few of the DLS collections, but not that one. I think we should all get one of those shots defending him because I’ve got a little burr in my saddle about I listening to some people this morning. I can’t wait to hear it in very special places talking about he should have been suspended. So go ahead. I’ll just let that one lay there. Alldl.com for all your merch. Speak on it, lads. 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It says, “Keep calm. Keep calm.” Well, I’m telling you, these people are listening. That’s from my lift driver for tomorrow morning. Keep calm. So, the link for the supporters club. Lift driver sending you texts. I’m going Yeah, I’m going I’m going to Detroit tomorrow. Sean Ardell, thank you for the gifts or uh membership. It looks like Art Ros trophy winner Jamie Art Ross winner Jamie Ben received it. And then Tio had to answer it as well. And it looks like JK received a gift. You guys are very generous. Great die hard supporting each other. I love that I’m seeing names that I’ve never seen before in our chat in a day show on a Wednesday and afternoon. So live. love seeing you guys in there cuz I know a lot of people watch or listen to the show later. Yeah, but to be here live is really cool. Yeah, absolutely. Um, let’s talk about that. What time is your team playing tomorrow? What’s that? What time is your team playing tomorrow? What time is your team playing tomorrow? What time is your team playing tomorrow? Uh, we don’t play tomorrow. We play Friday. I have no clue. I don’t know. Okay, you guys can text after the show. Let’s get I’m worried about getting to the airport tomorrow morning. I want to talk about the We’ll do a live show from your from your team’s game. I want to talk about this goal again or no goal. Um Luds, you were pretty adamant you think that they got the call right at with.1 seconds left about the goalie interference overturn of the call on the ice. Upon review, do you have a different take now compared to last? I do. And I don’t I I don’t even know if you Ryan, did you get anything by the way? Is Ryan listening or Oh, okay. He’s getting it for you. Don’t worry. He’s g everything that we saw last night, every element today. Everything that we saw last night is this. Okay, we see this here. But if you saw it live or from when I watched the replay, we don’t have one coming out of the corner though, right? Okay. So, if you get to watch it and you watch Robo’s path when he came off the wall in the corner, he is his path is to go above the blue paint. And what happens is that defenseman bumps into him earlier than what we’re seeing right here. And that’s what takes him off of his path. Now, here’s my issue with it. The review was so quick. Yeah. Did they only see and look at what we saw or did they go back and look at Robo leaving the corner and and his skating angle is to go to the top of the crease where he would generally go because I will say this there’s a lot of players that will go directly into the blue paint. Robo doesn’t seem to be one of them because you know why? The most important reason why he wants the goal to count when he scores. This dude is about scoring goals. So he got his course got diverted probably about 10 ft prior to the blue paint if I can remember correctly on what I saw and then there was a little bit more contact after. Now could he have probably helped a little bit? Yeah. But my my point was the intent originally was not for him to go directly into that blue paint. But if he was, I’ll be honest, totally okay with it because there’s no time left. There’s zero time on the clock. Just go there and if it works, it works. If not, we weren’t going to score without me going there anyway. Sean, you haven’t had a chance to weigh in on this yet because you weren’t on the show last night, but I’m guessing that you have a similar take as far as Robo’s legal ability to go after that puck just like goalie David Reddic. Yeah, it’s uh so for me on this play, it’s I think they got the they got the call right. Um and so here’s and I don’t like it’s because they’re applying the rule and I this is there’s a difference between me thinking they got the call right whether I like the rule or not. So the official rule is that if an attacking player by positioning or contact impairs the goalie ability to move freely or defend the goal. And so if if the goal is scored off the first shot and it’s just Jason’s reaching out for the puck and and gets a tip on it and it goes in, it’s a good goal. The problem is it’s the second shot they have to account for. And that’s where Robertson right here, as you can see, it’s it’s whether it’s it’s him driving the net, a combination of contact from the defender, and everything like that. This is where by the letter of the rule of the law, Riddic doesn’t have an ability to make a play on the Johnston follow-up shot. So, it’s to to me I look it’s a very difficult thing because I don’t like the rule here. I think I don’t like the rule here. I think within hockey, I watch this play and I feel like this should be a good goal. But when you go off the letter of the law and how the rules are written and how it’s supposed to be applied, this is a good goal. Sorry, this is this is this is the right call because he does the goalie does not have an opportunity to make the save on the second shot. The second a second shot starts, we then have to look at things from a vacuum here. And that’s and that’s that’s kind of the problem. So, it’s me, it’s it’s it’s a rule. I don’t like the ruling because I don’t like the rule, but they got the rule right. If that and here’s my only thing I want to follow up with on this to both of you guys and to Sam as well. Does this because I think that that was the right call made based on what we saw. Now Leds, you talked about a corner view that I don’t know if I’ve seen, but does this encourage defensemen to push opponents into their own goalie if they’re going to rule this way? Because look, we know Luds, you have said that one of the members of the chat was Matt was asking if this is interference on Pulock. The answer is yes. But you talk about constantly, Luds, wanting to meet the player before he gets to the top of the crease. Meet him over on the side so you box him out before he gets there. That’s what Pulock’s trying to do. I think I don’t think he’s trying to necessarily drive Robo directly into his goalie. I think he’s trying to His timing was off, right? His timing he wanted to he wanted to meet him, but Robo got a half a step ahead of him, and that’s why he’s pushing on the back half of his body. to answer Matt in the in the the chat. It is interference. It goes on on every play and battle around the net. You try to get away as with as much interference or jockeying for position, however you wanted to to to frame it, as you can get away with without getting called for a penalty. You But what I guess the best way to put it is I want our defenseman to get away from that. There was a one on Mero, if you remember, there was a goal that was scored with Mero standing on the Yes. He’s standing in the crease. all Miro or sorry not Muri it was Essa Essa just goes and he stands on the close post he’s in the crease when he stands there and but if he steps out and he meets someone that’s trying to get to the net I just want you to slow him down for a second or two mainly because you can’t interfere interfere anywhere else especially when pucks go to the point that defenseman has to get rid of that puck quick so if we can get out and people say somebody’s coming off the wall get away from the net like get out there and meet him somewhere around the hashmark area and then you can come back with them. You can kind of grab them. I mean, not grab them. You can I can be in front of you and I can allow you to kind of push me back. But by that time, my forward is putting pressure on the puck carrier or the the guy that’s got the puck, meaning the defenseman, whoever it is, that he had to get the puck up to the net quicker. So now all of a sudden, that puck will arrive to Jake before that guy does and before you do. I think you should still be able to compete. I’m not talking about just, you know, grapple the guy and just pull, you know, hog tie him. So I that’s what I try to do is get our guys to go out meet them and you can kind of skate backwards with them. So you’re kind of letting them come but I’m slowing them down a little bit right now. So Sean, to my question again, if you rule this way, because I watched the overhead in live speed a couple of times, and from that angle, and I I’m still curious to see this corner angle that Led’s referred to, but from that angle, it looks like his line is going to go into Riddick, but he also probably has the ability to veer his path away until Pulock initiates contact, in which case it it denies him the ability to get at the top of the crease and avoid that contact. So, is this ruling encouraging defenseman to drive opposition forwards into their own goalies to try to get that call? Uh, I don’t think that this rule I don’t I think for one I think goalender interference is called too infrequently um across the league. I think it is not well defined in general in players minds to impact players decisions honestly. And I also think any just from a real realistic standpoint, Luds, if I told you, hey, you can go push someone into Eddie all the time, you’re gonna feel that later from Eddie, aren’t you? That’s the point. So I Yeah. I mean, so so like the my my other my other point is here. There’s no I don’t I don’t see any any defenseman or team or anything that has something in mind if we’re going to intentionally drive someone into our own goalie uh is flirting with disaster. So I don’t I don’t think there’s enough on that. All right, perfect timing for us to get to our last ad break. I have something to say after this. Great. Here on the DLS, raise your hand. Nobody calls on me. Is this me? It’s No, it’s me. This is me, Sam. It’s Sean. Sam, what if I told you I just paused so Sam thought he could speak and then cut him off on purpose. So, that’s just evil. If you’re uh well, if you’re watching this show, you’ve obviously discovered DLS in some shape or form. 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Get it right and you’ll get get a gift card for the amount you spent doubling your money. It’s the Balln knower bonus. Okay. Before we get to the Mo hit, I wanted you guys to hear and everybody watching, here’s what Glenn Gulletson said postgame last night about the final goalie review at the end. I mean, obviously I have a different take on it, but um anytime there’s a player in the blue, um you’re going to argue was he pushed in or did he go in on his own? And um you know, obviously you know where we’d stand on that. So, uh, I thought we had a good chance because, uh, the goal, it was a was a it was a call on the ice. It was a good goal. And, um, we can sit here and argue all day whether, uh, uh, contact was made before he got into the blue or when he got into the blue, but, um, it’s not going to do us any good. All right, Sam. Yes. You do realize D me, LS, and Sean, you can’t wait. You got to push. You got to push it. If the puck is at the crease, you got to go. You can’t sit back on the at the blue line and wait for you. No, I do have one question for Sean and then two points from today’s practice that have to do with this. Okay, Sean, I think fans are asking and I’m honestly confused, too. You you stated the rule, right? What What does the rule say about contact? Like what is it just if if you’re pushed in doesn’t matter every all the rest of the rules are wiped out or how does the contact come into play because it doesn’t seem like it’s a clear enough rule that back and forth. Yeah. And that’s the the explanation. It’s one of those where you’d like the lead to be better at communicating this. And for me kind of I reached out to I talked to two NHL video coaches about this in the past 12 16 hours whatever it is. And from their understanding on it is the element of it’s the second shot nature of this. It’s the spot where it’s because it’s the rebound. It’s the if it is if this shot the shot came in and Jason Robertson tips it and it goes in or the first shot went in. There’s no goalie interference here because Jason Robertson has every right to make that play. It’s once the second shot becomes established, it becomes a weird kind of vacuum where we Rick also embellished like my second point was Riddick’s stick almost went into the crowd. He threw his head and then after he sold it, then he threw his hands back going I may might have to make another save here. I thought he oversold that like we do see for the histrionic warthog. There we go. Ardell. Yes. Uh no, it’s all of this is true. Like I want to be clear on this. I feel like this for me, I look at this play and I look at it and this is a good goal. This is the type of to me we should have had overtime. We should have had this should have been a three- three game. We should have gotten more hockey. Yes. And those are those things are what I what I want to happen. I also look at it and frustratingly have to agree that by the letter of the law and how they did things, they got it right by the letter of the law on that. And that’s the that’s kind of the the frustrating part of it. just like um like I was in addition to I I watched I watched a game last night in person as well with between Detroit and Seattle where uh players Nate Danielson scores his second career what will be his second career NHL goal um puck lobbed in the air um lobbed in the air bouncing puck picks it up dipsy doodles the defender makes a tremendous move scores a really pretty goal that should be in NHL highlight rules we then have five minutes of review to review whether whether the puck was this much over the the blue line in the air compared to a guy’s skate and everything like that. And to me, it goes back to I I I understand wanting to get it right. And it’s ironic that we talk about this with the Stars because Matt Duchain is on this team and the Matt Duchain incident is the reason we’re in this spot in the first place. But it’s the whole replayification of sports, right? Like are we worried about getting it fully right or are we worried about the spirit of the thing? Because in the spirit of the game, in the spirit of the law, in the spirit of the way things went, this should have we should have had a three- three game, should have gone to overtime. It should have been really fun. But in the we must get everything right by the book with what replay has become, it was the right call. And I don’t know the right answer on that. I’m honestly very conflicted on that both ways. I I I just I think I also go back to the spot of of I was amazed at how quick this one was called too, right? There’s so many there’s so many times where we go through and there’ll be five minute reviews and everything like that. And the fact they they called it like they did right away. It’s I I I looked at that as a perspective of okay to me this this was just so you should have just gone with the call on the ice. Like the heart of it for me you should have gone with the call on the ice. There’s there’s boy the Islanders weren’t real happy about that. All right let’s move real quickly to your practice updates. Yes. Well, I was just going to say the reason I was asking that was because both Casey and we have to get to Mo. So, if we get too long, we got to got to go. So, what do you have on practice updates? Uh, optional practice today. Matt Duchain will travel with the team on this four game road trip. Ilia Leouchkin and Thomas Harley will not uh interesting. They’re not taking an extra defenseman on a four game trip. Yeah. So, there no defenseman. They’re going 136 um traveling. Um Duchain, the only thing with Duchain is that there’s no real progress. It’s it’s he’s skating. After each skate, they monitor him and they check in. So we that doesn’t mean he’s going to plan this trip. It just means they want him to keep skating with the team. Um and the only other one was Nils Lungquist skated today for the first time on his own and according to Goolison very lightly. Basically just got his foot out of a boot and put it into a skate and kind of went out there and twirled around a little bit. So um still far away on that, but a couple of steps I guess in the right direction and then a couple of steps in the wrong direction. Okay, let’s do this real quick because we are running out of time. Patrick Wah and Glenn Gullson, I have their reactions to the hit. And of course, Mo not going to be suspended. No supplemental discipline will be faced for his boarding major against Alexander Romanov at the end. It was literally in the final half minute of this game the other night. Take a quick look at this. Any thoughts Sean Luds Sam as you w we broke this down last night but as far as how this went clearly there’s some contact by Mayfield on Ranton which I think starts this whole process the the problem with what we have to do here and look at this it doesn’t tell the whole story you know because all you’re seeing is it looks like he’s running into him what you don’t see is at the top of the circle when Mayfield is trying to slow him down and which is he supposed to do he’s supposed to at here even before that. So there’s little time left in the game. You should have seen Ranton turn it on when he got across the blue line. He was going to get in. He was going to forche like he always does, but there’s a little bit more urgency because there’s time running out. Mayfield recognize it. He tries to step into him. They click feet. They kind of he slows them down a little bit. Their feet click and it m or uh uh Ratin’s off balance. And so now when he goes down and everybody’s talking about, well, he took his arms and then he pushed him. Well, let me tell you, when you’re 15 ft from the boards and you’re going Mach 1 and you just fall, you don’t just keep your hands at your side and go, “Okay, I’m just going to slide into the boards.” You put your arms up to protect yourself. It’s a natural reaction. Unfortunately for Romanov, he was the cushion between him and the boards. So the NHL got it right and they recog saw the stuff that led up to that where it there was no intent to go in and run him from behind. The guy’s never done it. He plays hard and that’s the end of the story for me. I’ll say super quick, I think the right call was a penalty. I mean, he still runs him into the boards. It’s a boarding penalty. The fact that he didn’t get the suspension, I think that was the right way to do it. And I relate it to NFL games when the guy running back goes off the field and he can’t slow himself down, runs into a cameraman or something. Watch those plays. He’s not trying to flatten the cameraman, but the natural reaction, as Lud said, when you run into someone is to put your arms up to protect yourself and they end up throwing those guys to the ground. That is what happened, I think. Good call for a penalty. Good call to not give back. Alli wrote a question in the chat. The 2004 Moore versus Bertusi incident was even more harshly disciplined due to the Canucks promise of retribution. With Patrick W’s words to Rantin, if there is retribution, which will be in late March, would it be punished more harshly? Trust me, there won’t. He’s going to come out and he’s going to tell his team nothing’s going to happen. Zero’s going to happen. Is that just heat of the moment passion? Heat of the moment. And that and you know what? The happiest, best people on the planet today is probably upstairs in New York Islanders and some people around there because they love this guy right here. They they you know what? He stood up for our guys. He stood up for our team. It’s the heat of the moment. He probably goes in and apologizes to his players. I shouldn’t have said what I did. I shouldn’t have said to Randon what I said. Shouldn’t say it to a player. Yeah, that’s the that’s the only time. Listen, you can do that when you’re Pete Dbor and when you’re Gully and you’re guys like that, but when you played the game and when the flip the switch flips, the switch flips and it’s very hard to turn it off whether you played last week or you played 30 years ago and and he runs hot, right? And he was like that as a player and you’re emotional. I mean, I I’ve gotten booted out at U8 games for doing it. I mean, it’s just you can’t stop. You don’t uh you don’t have Patrick you don’t hire Patrick W to be your head coach not knowing this is part of who Patrick W is. That’s just the reality of it. Well, here’s what he said. Did they destroy the boards in Colorado, too? Here’s what Patrick said after the game to the meeting. All I’m going to say is is when you’re you see the number, you have to lay off. You know, you everybody knows that. I mean, you don’t go through the guy. I mean, um, you know, and and I’m proud the way that our guys handled it afterwards, you know. Um, no one was no one was happy to see, uh, someone get hurt like this and and and like I said, um, to me is disrespectful for our guys. Is that Yeah. Is that sort of what you were saying to me as he skated by? Yeah. Yeah. It was in Colorado when he was drafted there and it’s not his style, but I mean at the same time I mean that’s that’s not that should not be part of our game. That should not be part of our game. All right, we got to do a quick over. That’s all going to change when when he saw the review. Up next, let’s finish this in overtime. Thank you everybody who joined us on our television platforms. Make sure to like and subscribe here on the pod. Check out alldls.com. Okay, can I say you said Yeah, go ahead. Can I say something real quick about because like and I want to tee Luds up for this like I’m watching Patrick W say that and I know there’s people who are gonna it’s easy to say ah Patrick you see people make be mad about it and call him out for it or whatever, right? I I look at a coach right there and I I look at the emotion on Patrick W’s face in that moment. That’s someone who is legitimately concerned and scared for one of his guys, right? Like that’s what I see in that moment. And I I like And so I I I see I I look at Patrick. I look at his reaction the way he’s speaking there. And I don’t see someone who is trying to send a message or threaten anyone. It to me it was the he’s legitimately concerned about whether Romangh is okay. And he is a coach who is a very passionate person about his guys. He’s a very passionate person about his group. And he loves all the guys in that group. and he’s and he’s going to and he is going to feel it. So it it’s it’s it’s an emotional part of it’s an emotional thing and it’s kind of one of those things where if and if we have I don’t know how long the islanders waited to make him available and stuff like that but every extra five minutes they could have delayed for to make him available probably becomes a little bit more not cohesive but becomes a little bit less like the longer you take away to step away from it and everything like that. So I I don’t have the oh my god Patrick Wah did something wrong here. He is emotionally fired up guy protecting his his team and what he thought was right and that and I think there there’s two different ways to say what is right. Like I don’t think Miko Randon did anything on purpose. I really don’t. The horrible thing is you got a player who got hurt and very scary incident and also at the same time you have a coach who’s going to defend his guys. if that happened to the if it was flipped on the other side when um I remember when uh it reminded me of the Roman Pock incident against the Boston Bruins and um I always thought Jack Edwards was really unprofessional in his way of saying Pock deserved it for trying to throw a big hit late in the game or whatever it was but you would want you want your whe whether you are right or wrong completely it doesn’t matter what matters is to the group in that room it matters to the Islanders it matters to them to that group before their next game that they know their coach coach has their back. And I think that’s an important thing here. Not everyone has the same goal, is is judged by the same thing. Patrick W is judged by how those 23 players in that room respond to him, and he did the right thing for his group. All right, let’s hear from Glenn Gullson. Here’s what he had to say after the game about the hit. Yeah. Yeah. I I think I I have a different take on everybody’s going to have their own take, but you know, if you watch the play, um I think it’s Mayfield, the defenseman actually holds up Rance and they actually clip skates, so Rance is off balance going in there, too. And um I don’t know if you played the game and you’re off balance heading in, you usually put your hands out. And uh you know, I’ve seen Rance play enough over the last 10 years that uh uh it’s just one of those hockey plays that happen. I hope I hope uh Romanoff is is is okay. Looks like he went in flat, but I’m just hoping he’s okay. But yeah, well, you know, Rants clip skates uh being held up there. So, it’s it’s a dangerous play for everybody. And he spoke to Ranton and spoke to the media in Fris today. Sam, you were there. And he said to what Luds just said, when you’re going that fast and you only have milliseconds to make a reaction, he goes, “I probably shouldn’t have pushed him, but I I got tripped and I was losing my balance and I put my arms out.” He goes, “I just hope he’s okay.” He said he texted him, “Hasn’t heard back yet, but uh hopes he’s all right.” He said, “I I want to play hard, but I never want to be a dirty player.” And I don’t think anybody thinks that Ransin is that type of player. And so I I’m not surprised at all that there’s no extra suspension or anything that goes along with it. Yeah. And Glenn did back he said the same thing this morning. Just back the same said he uh believed it was the same situation. And the funny part, he he put a little funny spin on it and said, I think I said this on the postgame show a little bit last night, but he while Patrick W screaming and freaking out. Goldson had his team huddled over here in the corner trying to figure out how they could win a short-handed faceoff dump it in on a free icing and ba and blow the zone so they could get the puck and they end up scoring the goal, which I just thought was an interesting little twist on that whole chaotic situation. All right, we’re just about to wrap things up. Any final thoughts about the Miko and Romanov Romanov hit as far as what we saw, how it’s played? I mean, it feels like it’s just an unfortunate incident from a fastmoving game, especially with a big guy like Rantin. And I think Led said it right. Everybody got it right. I think it’s done. Yeah. Player safety got it right. The referees got it right. I think the fans didn’t like the audio from the broadcast picking up, you’ll never make it. like something to the effect that Patrick Wall was yelling at Rantin and you’ll never make it through the game in New York. That you said heat of the moment not going to be a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It’s it’s I mean it’s the other the other thing on that and it’s not to be crude but it’s just true. I mean I I I don’t want you I don’t I don’t think people want to hear what what your players say to other people, right? Like it’s just it’s the it’s the reality of if if we’re going to go and Yeah. It’s not it’s not a great look to yell at a player and I I understand that completely. But I also know that type of stuff is said from side to side as somebody is miked up. There’s a reason that players will often tell each other they are miked up for a game because all of a sudden the language becomes PG. So I just I want to be clear on something. This is a I’m not defending this. It’s just a from a it’s Patrick Wah is not an outlier. That that’s where I’m going with this. Patrick W is not an outlier. And it’s it’s just what was picked up when you have the a sport, a physical sport, an emotional sport where both teams think they’ve been robbed of something one way or the other. The starters have been robbed of a loss. The the Islanders think they’ve been robbed of of a really they have been robbed of a player being hurt by a situation. All of a sudden, it’s it’s it’s people aren’t speaking with the greatest decorum across both sides. And um so that that’s where I go from this. It’s not to defend like as a coach, you know what? you probably need to button it up a little bit more. You need to like what I thought what he said to the media was was was great. I thought what he what got picked up what he what he got picked up what he wasn’t expecting to get picked up and all that stuff like that’s got to be handled but it’s I mean unfortunately or unfortunately however you want to phrase it there is things are said much worse 75 worse things were said during that game between the two sides. Casey Casey Smith should write a book. Yeah, great spot to hear that. Luds has got to get to an airport plane. Sam has got to make sure that he gets his written word out and published at a reasonable time. Sean will be maybe seeing LSDs this weekend. You never know. And we will be here for a pregame show tomorrow night, 8:30, Dallas and Vancouver. The Canucks who last played in Florida. They just had a backtoback with Tampa and Florida at the beginning of the week. We will see you guys 8:30 pregame show tomorrow night nine o’clock puck drop of course our full postgame show be a late night the next few some late games as the stars go out west thank you for watching today thanks for sticking around for overtime for Luds Sam Shawn and Ryan I’m Owen we’ll see you tomorrow night for Stars and Canucks right here on DLLS I’d like to use a couple cwords [Music] [Applause] mayor [Music]

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A lot of things happened yesterday in Dallas Stars land. Jamie Benn returned from his preseason injury (collapsed lung) to make his 2025-26 season debut. Vladislav Kolyachonok made his Dallas Stars debut in place of the injured Ilya Lyubushkin. Jason Robertson extended his goal-scoring streak to four games (8 goals) with two goals against the Islanders. Wyatt Johnston thought he scored the game-tying goal against New York with 0.1 seconds left in regulation, only for a league-initiated review to overturn the call on the ice of a good goal due to goaltender interference by Robertson on David Rittich. With less than 30 seconds remaining, Mikko Rantanen was assessed a major penalty and game misconduct for boarding Alexander Romanov, who was helped off the ice due to injury; although we found out this morning that Rantanen will not face any supplemental discipline from the league.

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05:00 The Cracks in Jake Oettinger’s Game
38:32 Breaking Down the No-Goal
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