Shedeur Sanders expectations, Jerry Jeudy is upset & what we learned about the Cavs vs. the Rockets

Shedeur Sanders expectations, Jerry Jeudy is upset & what we learned about the Cavs vs. the Rockets

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Again, uh if people we could take people behind the scenes. We talked about I I’ll You know what’s funny? We just had in all honesty, this is before Jason and Ty walked in. Yeah. We may have just had our best basketball discussion we’ve had in a long, long time. And I guarantee when we dive into the Cavs in 10 minutes, we’re not going to get to any of that. No. We talked about Shenon versus Moy. We talked about the fact that NBA expert Adam the Bull was correct and Mike and Jason were wrong. We talked about what the wagers is right now for who knows we got a wager what it is for for Bull and Jason to come in with the wrist up the wrist up. How many how many how many yards does your door Sanders have to throw for in order for them to come in on Monday with the wrist up? Jason Lloyd was out of pocket 517. We talked about uh out of line. We we talked about the fact that black guys never look old. Yeah, the conversation. We do. We do have a special went all the way left with his comment that I don’t even know where what he was talking about. Yeah, that’s kind of crazy. We were talking about Raven Simone from the Cosby Show. Leave that. No details on that one. When uh we were talking about the fact that I would never let anybody dunk on me like Jared Allen did yesterday, that I would I would hurt the person. We also said I was on the basketball court. Jared Allen dunks on you. What the hell are you going to do about it? I’m 7 ft tall. When I was 22, I’m not talking 22. Well, now I’m present day. No, not play present day. I got hurt. Jason, what are you talking about? You What did he just say? The man just said I meant when I was when I actually played basketball, not that I was any good, but the one thing I was good at playing basketball in the schoolyard was I would harass everybody defensively. I wasn’t fast, but I would harass. I’d be very physical and I would be I would just foul a lot. He was hacking. Guys like playing the good players like playing with me cuz I would do a lot of the dirty work for like that level. What about scoring? But I couldn’t score at all. No, I would never even shoot the ball. You you score in your prime when you was 22. You look you look like you being in New York being out on the ball. You look like a good getaway driver. I could have been. But like you would you was the dude everybody’s like, “Yeah, we robbing a bank tomorrow. Let’s be bull. I’m lowkey a good getaway driver. Wait a minute. How we you you over here just just turbing out, huh? Yeah, man. This is uh I tried it. I did it once and got a text message. Hey, man. Listen, man. Right now, man, this go with the fit, man. This is This is a religious garb. Yeah. You got the waves coming in? Oh, listen. I got waves all the way up underneath here. Okay. See, you know what I’m saying? I got the religious garb on. By the way, yeah. Like, by the way, could you wear a do-agg? No. I couldn’t. Do you know how to tie one? Yes. I tried wearing one when I was a kid. I look like a methhead. So, I don’t I didn’t wear it after that. It didn’t I I couldn’t I couldn’t when I there when I was in college, right? We would play all the guys that worked at the radio station. We would play touch football, right? And I was a little older cuz I went when I went to Brockport I was like I was 25 as opposed to being 18. So I was a little older. I by the time we were playing I was like 27 28. So we would play football touch football right but you could block right and there was a kid and and I was trying to impress the girls right from the radio station. It’s a bunch of nerdy guys. So whenever there was an interception it’s always them girls. Oh part of the reason I told the story is cuz I would wear a do make you do something. you. And whenever there was an interception, I would look to find a guy on the other team to smoke with a block like to knock on his ass. He was crack blocking. Absolutely. I was smoke and these guys were like like tiny little wimps. But but still speaking of girls, have all of us is married up here. So you will be able to relate to this story. So last night I went to sleep. I go to sleep like 9:30, right? Yeah. I got the tap at 11:47. Oh boy. Everybody know what the tap is, right? M. But it wasn’t that tap. Okay. All right. We going to see where this go. The the tap was see. And then when I like when I woke up and seen like you get the tap, you wake up. She had no pants on. Whoa. So I’m thinking, you sure you want to tell this story on the air? That’s a good test. So I’m thinking, let me take you see that it’s like, oh, I got action, right? Oh no. title the follow the next statement changed everything. Oh no. She said Lelay just threw up everywhere and I need your help. Oh man. So I get up and I’m like okay it can’t be that bad. Right. It went from the best to the worst thing. I get up and I go to the to the kids’ room and sure enough right on her bed is a worst a puke. And not only did she do that, she did that. Got up and then went to her sister’s bed and puked on her sister. Why was she everywhere? And she’s probably crying cuz she’s it feels terrible. Yeah. Well, she she was in the tub. My wife had already get in the tub. You You got to take That is the the late night throwups is the worst. But the tap like I just knew like it went from like Oh yeah. Here we go. Oh man. Dang, homie. Oh my god. It’s a great story. And wives, let’s face it, the wives. The reason she didn’t have pants on is because she stepped in the puke and on her pants, so she had to take them off. God, the puke. Here’s the problem with the puke is that if I go near the puke, I want puke. Oh, really? Yeah. And let’s face it, our wives, they’re generally better at us than most things. They’re definitely better at handling six kids than we are, right? I mean, I don’t know about you guys, but I I’m pretty great at it. All right. You’re good at it. All right. I mean, I’m good at cheering up my son, but like if he’s sick, mom’s way better at that. I agree. But one time he got sick in the middle of the night when my wife was away. Oh, man. and and like he’s throwing up all over the place and I’m like I’m I’m I’m like barely holding it together. Not throw cuz it’s Oh god. I feel bad for you, Tyus. I can feel your pain. I had to clean like I I washed the sheets. But you’re better off puking in the bed than the carpet actually cuz that’s easy. I got hardwood. Hardwood. Oh, that’s the best. Definitely. Yeah. Just like when the dog throws up. You want him to throw up on the hardwood. I’ve been at Walmart at 2:00 in the morning buying a rug cleaner because it’s all over the carpet from kids. Listen, that that was the worst. Like 2:00 in the morning, I’m at Walmart buying a one of those heavy duty rug cleaners. I need I need them to be It’s just like a fire drill. I need them to be drilled up. Like it’s a tornado drill. You hide under your desk. I don’t know why that was supposed to work. Then when a tornado comes, you’re out of here anyway. Or the fire drill. Okay, cool. It’s cool. But I need a throw up drill. Like I need you to understand that that something’s going on down there. Can you just make it? Can you make it to the bathroom or you just like I can’t do it? Kid with kids when they wake up in the middle of the night sick. Yeah. They’re not thinking I got to get to the bathroom. They don’t understand. You know, we as adults are thinking like, “Oh, I got to get to the bathroom.” Kids are not thinking that. Yeah. Well, rough night for you, Tyus. Did you get back to sleep eventually? I did. But when that alarm went off this morning, it was like, “Oh my god.” What time did you get up? 4:45. Oh god. Yeah. Jeez. All right. Well, we’ve talked about vomiting. We’ve talked about basketball. We’ve talked about all kinds of things. The tap on the shoulder. That was wild. Tap. We thought it was a sexual road. Yeah. It wasn’t at all. Now, let’s get to some uh sports. Go ahead, Mike. Yeah, guys. We have a very exciting show coming up for you. I can’t wait to play no offense riders in a little bit. Five of the six answers were dead even splits. You better get a little contentious here and defend your side. But we’re going to start with the Cavs after a quick reminder that FanDuel is America’s number one sports book. And there’s no better place to get in on the action than with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. You can combine live bets into same game parlays for a shot at bigger payouts. It keeps every game exciting, especially when your team’s making that lategame push. Right now, FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets when their first $5 bet wins. So, head over to fanuel.com/uss to sign up and play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Mike, I just got word that Evan Mobley just missed another free throw. Oh lord. We’re getting word on that right now. It’s a legitimate. I mean, what happened last night on the free I mean, he didn’t play particularly well overall, but what was he? Two for 10, three for 10. He was four for 10. A four as a team. The Cavs ranked 27th in the league in free throw range. So, it’s not just Mobly. It is an entire team issue right now. Moy on the season is shooting just 60.4% four from the free throw line, which is once again an inexcusable number for a player of Moley’s caliber who over the last two seasons had shot in the 70s. He’s down now to 60.4%. Kenny Atinson said after the game, it’s a it’s a mental thing. Free throws just it’s more mental than it is any kind of shot issue. But Jason, you and I were sitting together at the game last night. We watched the end. I want to start with you and then we’ll get into the chaos afterwards. But Jason, what was your takeaway from the Cavs loss to the Rockets last night? Um, I wasn’t surprised they lost necessarily. I I’m shocked they came back. I told Mike I left they look clueless for two and a half quarters. Yeah, I went down at halftime. I was like, “This is going to be an ass beat.” Like this is I didn’t think they were coming back. Like there there are nights where it’s like, “All right, it’s 15, it’s 17, whatever. It’s the NBA. They’re going to come back.” And there’s nights where it’s like, “Nope.” And I agree. It felt like one of those. Last night looked like a nope, not tonight. So I left. I went downstairs uh and then I came back up mid- third quarter and they were still down big and they went on a little bit of a run uh third quarter in terms of the Moy thing. Yeah, you might be right like that this is he took a massive leap last year. Can we all agree on that? And you said he couldn’t. So you’re wrong. So you’re out of this conversation. What you said for years off top and I kept saying that there was another layer there and there was another level there and you kept saying no. I don’t know why. Oh, I 100 roll the tape. You probably don’t have it. I don’t know. I think you’re making that up. But I did I did feel like there was another level beyond what we saw last year. And the point I kept making was there has to be if they’re going to win a championship, right? If there’s not, there’s not. I don’t know how they’re going to win a title. Do you think there’s not at this point or is it too soon to say? Yes and no. It’s too soon to say, but this was this window was the best chance for him to show it with Darius being out and them trying to make him a focal point and it ain’t working. No. So, that is that is disappointing to see that it’s like, man, this is your golden opportunity here. And once Darius comes back and then you filter Max back in, you know, I I I tend to think that they’re gonna go back to playing it the way they played last year. U so I I it’s November 20th. I’m not going to say he’s this is it. If this is it, he’s a really good player in the NBA. Like let’s Yeah, agreed. Like he’s a really really good player, but he’s No, he’s not he’s not that pillar guy. He would be an incredible number two on a championship team, right? Uh I just don’t know that they have the pieces to win the top. I just I felt all along like he had to be their best player and he had to be the dynam dynamic piece. And if he’s not, I I think they’re going to have a hard time winning the championship. And you saw that last night. Yeah, with the way that the I mean Kenny talked about after the game the way that the Rockets blitz Donovan and got the ball out of his hands. They made him a non-factor for three quarters of that game. Play he did a good job in the fourth and know Darius had a lot to do with that as well. But it’s just easy especially without Darius out there. It’s just easy for big big teams to get the Cavs out of their rhythm um if he’s not playing well. Yeah, last night my expectations is gone for this team. Um I think that the the furthest they probably go is the Eastern Conference Finals. I just don’t see it. this core four thing. It’s ran its course. It It was fun. It was cute. While it lasted, you got to make some changes. It just ain’t It ain’t I’m sorry because I’m tired of I’m tired of sitting here every game we get into a big game. It’s It has to be the Donovan show. Like that’s the only reason we That’s the only reason this game was even close is cuz Donovan decided to go off in the fourth quarter after Mike sent that terrible text message last night. Like he lost his tweet. Excuse me. I was 100% correct. People killing you on Twitter. No, because I I said in the tweet there’s still 19 minutes left, so this could change. But so far, it’s been the least impactful Donovan Mitchell game I’ve ever seen. And guess what Donovan said in the locker room afterwards? They took me completely out of the game in the first half. Mike was fine. He’s saying I just wanted to mess with. But anyways, it always turns into the Donovan show. Like every year it’s always we we going to get to the point. This is exactly what’s going to happen. We gonna get to the playoffs. Every I don’t care if everybody healthy or not. We gonna get to the playoffs. We’re gonna go up against some team that they ain’t got no business losing to. It’s gonna they gonna go down and everybody gonna look lost and Donovan gonna say give me the ball and get out the way and it’s just gonna be that and what’s gonna happen is he’s gonna have to do that for three consecutive series and he’s going to run out of gas and we going to get to the conference final and it’s going to be done. It’s just what it is. It’s going to be the same story. I’m tired of seeing it like because you cuz Jared Allen going to disappear. Evan Moley going to give you a couple of games out of the series and Darius might be hurt. That’s just what it is. I’m sorry. All right. What? Cuz I’m up here telling the truth. I don’t think I G. Am I wrong? I think this is a Before You go, G. I think this is a momentous day in the history of the show. Am I wrong? It’s the most negative I’ve ever heard about turn into a typical Cleveland. I’m not the most negative he’s ever been. You’re not about to con that about to be something bigger than what it is. They probably going to get to the the conference lose to somebody like the Knicks or something like that and is we a we should have. No, it’s going to be what it’s what it is. finally he’s finally go ahead negative. I don’t disagree with what he’s saying. I don’t disagree either, but and and I was talking to Fedor about this uh last night and and Chris made the point he’s right. Like outside of the Knicks, who else is there in the East? And my counter to that was, well, on November 19th, November 20th, nobody was talking about Indiana last year. That’s true. So, you just don’t know how how this is going to shake out. Are we so convinced Detroit’s a fraud? I don’t define fraud. like they couldn’t beat the Cavs in the playoffs. That would be shock. I wouldn’t put that past them. Okay. No. The way Cleveland’s playing right now, they’re a long way. Darius is out, but they’re still missing. Yeah, they’re missing a lot of guys. I don’t think Darius is hurt a lot. He is. And that’s why they always run into problems because of exactly what Tyus just said. Donovan is a six-foot guard trying to carry an entire franchise through the playoffs and eventually there’s a calf or there’s something and then what do you do? Yeah. G um lined up hairline Tus is different. It is different. It’s stunning. I love it. I have to I’m sick of the same story like cuz it’s and then they refuse to change it up like like it’s going to be different. Like it’s insanity. It’s the definition of insanity. And I don’t know why we keep sitting here acting like it’s going to be something different. They done body swapped me and Tyus. Shout out to G Bush over there. That Yo, bro. Listen, you cooking. I ain’t got no what I’m going to say. Like look, bro. Like he must have got my cliff notes from two years ago and said, “Yeah, I’m going to run this burn these run these jewels right now.” Uh yeah, guys. This is what happens. I told you about Oklahoma City Thunder. Not this iteration, but the the iteration before that. Remember when Oklahoma City Thunder had uh you know, they had Durant, they had Westbrook, they had Serge Baka, they had Harden. They they looked like, “Oh, these dudes about to be set up forever.” And then they lost to the Heat and they said, “Oh, we’ll be back. We we we on the trajectory and then Harden left and then they had Durant and Westbrook and then Durant, they went down 3-1. They went up 3-1 on the dog on Warriors and then they lost that one and then that was it. Harden was gone.” And then they eventually gave all that money to Russ and then he was gone. Then they found out Sergbaka was 36, not got not got not got not got not got not got not got not got not got not got not got 18 like you said he was coming into the league and then they was really done the the Cavs are are a case study of what happens when you just good for who you are they good for the era that we in they’re good for you know a team that’s going to win these games but when you watch these other squads like the Rockets you watch the leap Sang Gundan took the leap don’t necessarily have to just be just skill set. Look how big he is. Look how physically imposing he is. They got Sam. Listen, they got Adams down there. They got Sangon. Durant is still 7 feet foot. Who? Jabari Smith. The Jabari Smith is he look like he didn’t grew two, three inches. A man Thompson. He’s a pain in the neck. And then and then you could put one of them Thompson freaka natures on Donovan Mitchell and he’s running around jumping out the gym. Of course, Donovan going to be tired. He’s 6 foot and you got Evan Mobley and you got Jared Allen down low getting pushed around, moved out the way. Doris Burke said it best. Doris Burke said, “Listen, hey, who’s their stopper defensively? Who’s the guy back there being who’s the enforcer?” They was sautéing and sauntering down the lane, finishing all they want. They let another Holiday brother kill him. You can’t let the You can’t let the unnamed holiday. I said, “Is that your truth?” Tasmanian holiday can’t kill you. Tasmanian holiday. I said, “Who is this holiday?” He finished you off. The the thing is Tyus is correct. Yeah. This the same old song and dance. Jared Allen. He can’t be part of I’m I’m willing to play Naquan Tomlin. Let me just let you play Tom. That’s a fact. Everything you guys are saying is why I kept saying Mowgli has to be the guy. Right. All right. Couple things. First of all, I want to say something positive. All right. I’m all You talking about buying stock, Mike? I’m buying stock and Craig Porter Jr. I love watching this guy play. I thought he was f in a sea of garbage. I thought he played great yesterday. What do you have like 107 and seven or something? Yeah, he was great. Tom bench. He was taking the ball with a hoop like going up against big guys and he he was playing with no fear. That was a positive. I think what really stood out to me, guys, and I wonder if you guys thought about this, the fact that Shenun, is that how you say his name? Shenun. Shenun. Correct. The fact that he has become such a superstar really makes it stand out because he got drafted in the same draft as Moy. Correct. Mhm. Yeah. He was the 16th pick, I believe. Okay. Jason, the fact Wait, guess who drafted him? OKC. Yeah. Traded to Houston. Wow. The fat guys. Who’s who’s drafted players there? That Shenon Sam Preston Emerson looks like such a superstar compared to Moy that really puts it in the forefront. Shangon is like a young he a young kid. He’s taken his game to that level that we hoped Moy would and he hasn’t. Shenon has done it. All right, we have breaking news on the Browns and then Zack Jackson’s jumping in. Yeah, we actually genuinely have some real breaking news here, guys. That’s a bo how much stuff was stolen from somebody’s house or No, it has nothing to do with that. Alex Wright, guys, has gotten an extension from the Cleveland Browns. It is a three-year, $33 million extension. Wow. This is the exact tweet from Sheffer. Browns and defensive end Alex Wright reaching an agreement today in a three-year $33 million extension that includes 21 million guaranteed per agents Drew Rosenhouse and Shawn Odair. Another investment on the defensive side of the football. But what do you make of the Browns extending Alex Wright? It doesn’t seem like that’s a regime change coming kind of move. Well, I don’t I don’t know that we need to read into that, but I mean, it’s not crazy money. I It looks like it’s probably guaranteed. The first two years are guaranteed probably in the third year. What does that mean for Isaiah Magguire? Where’s he at? Magguire’s got one year left. I don’t think it means anything. Does he have one year left? They need depth. Uh I don’t know what his contract is. I think wasn’t Oh, one year. Okay. He’s got voice of God from behind the exact Zack in for this conversation. One year left. Alex Wright, I believe, was on the last year of his deal. I’ve always liked Alex Wright, as you guys know, his biggest issue has been injury. I like him. I think of all the young guys they’ve drafted in recent years, or at least, you know, we we’ll see about Mason Graham. But of all the young defensive linemen they’ve drafted in recent years, I I kept I always thought Alex Wright had the most upside. So, I really like what I’ve seen from him. But, uh, I like him. I like it. Good move. Okay. It feels weird. not to criticize the Browns for something. It was he was one of the guys at the deadline that I was watching because I knew that they was going to have to make a decision. Either he’s going to trade him or pay him. So, when they didn’t trade him, I kind of figured that they pay him. And he’s been one of the most productive guys uh opposite of Miles that we’ve seen since Javian clowning man. Yeah. Anybody got think it’s a bad move? No, of course not. It’s a I mean, who else they going? Just bring Zack in. Why? Just bring Zack in. This Let’s do a read. Bring Zack in. Just bring Zack in. I’m very sorry. We’re trying to keep it. I’m not going to yell across the room. Zack, what do you think about this? What you What you think, dog? You good? All right, Zach is going to be brought to us today by prize picks. We all make decisions every day, but on prize picks, being right can get you paid. Don’t miss any of the excitement of this sports season. 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So, you know, you you need guys because I think they only had like 35 guys under contract for next year and a lot of that includes like the bottom of the roster guys, right? So, you commit to him now. Is it is Magguire going to be on the trade market now in the offseason? Maybe. Yeah. And then the question looms with the offensive line. The top six offensive linemen do not have a contract for next year and the Browns have cap issues. So, you know, it was surprising because it happened at 11:00 this morning with 6 weeks left in the season, right? But it’s not surprising to see Alex Wright in the plans. It’s just, okay, this is a further bet on the defense. It’s already good. And are they going to leave the defense out to dry for two more years while Alex Wright’s still here? Yes. Is the answer to that? Probably. Probably yes. They’ve never they’ve never had depth. Well, any position, they’ve never had depth, but particularly up front. I remember watching Oen Joby and Miles play way too many snaps than what they should a few years ago. So why can’t you keep meuire and just keep rotating these guys in? You know, outside of number 95, what’s the best thing going in this organization right now? The defensive it’s Jim Schwarz. Oh, Jim Schwarz is now who have they brought in this, you know, the last who have they committed to Tyson Campbell who’s best in a Jim Schwarz scheme and now Alex Wright who obviously has come up under Jim Schwarz, right? Are the Browns aware that they’re allowed to improve their offense? Clearly they are not. It’s really kind when you put it those cuz I’ve screamed about it all off seasonason. They had the second pick. They traded down and they took defensive guys with their top two picks knowing their offense was horrendous. And now you mentioned Tyson Campbell locking up Alex, right? It’s like they are not even paying any attention whatsoever to the offensive side of there. There are more layers to this whole thing because the the salary cap and the roster are so weighted in in that direction. like there’s just not guys under contract and there is so few guys under contract of consequence that you look at it and you wonder where these these salary adjustments are going to come, right? So, they’re going to have to get rid of guys or they’re going to have to have 14 rookies again, which would give them a a team next year. It’s half of rookie or rookies and second year players and that’s almost certainly what it’s going to be barring like a complete shift. But that’s also, we haven’t spent enough time talking about this, but they they’re carrying what 14 rookies now, like six undrafted, 13 now with a guy with Don Jones going on IR 13. And what six, five, six undrafted, something like that. Seven. There were seven picks. That’s insane. Yeah. Right. And there aren’t many. I think the Browns I almost said Kev. The Browns and the Vikings, I think, were the two teams that carried the most rookies this year. The Patriots have. Well, they’re going to have to do it again next year. And that’s what I’m saying. So, you’re going to have probably over 20 players on this team next year that are either first or second year. Browns have 10 picks right now. Well, but they’ll they’ll have at least 10 or 11 rookies on next year’s team and maybe 13 or 14. That’s almost half the the roster when you add it to this group. Yeah. First or second year player. Yeah. Yeah. So, it’s 13 rookies right now. The kicker is not technically a rookie, but he’s first year. And you have a lot of younger guys playing and they’re going to have I mean, like you can’t have an entire offensive line of rookies, but you’re going to have to have a few. Yeah. And and look, Alex Wright is probably the right move, right? Ronnie who is going to play offensive line here is probably going to retire on this team, right? So, you need these rookies to develop, right? And we’ll see. And I don’t think the Alex Wright signing affects that. It’s just notable that it’s like, okay, this is who they’re committed to. And it’s again on defense. Zack, we me and Tyus, we did a film breakdown and again, Tyus, I don’t know, he’s just he’s show so demonstrative lately. I like to see Tyus. He said the hair we going we going over the film he’s like you know what I’m tired of this 12 13 personnel stuff why why we got a tight end out here split out wide and I was like Tyus you know you we ain’t got nobody like that’s all we got to Zach it’s ridiculous because the reason that you go with the 12 personnel is to force that team to go to base the other team doesn’t go so therefore okay that’s fine okay that’s fine the Oh, no, no, no. We’re going to take Harold and put him out at the X and run fades with with a corner on him. I’m like, what are we doing? Who like that corner should cover him all day every day. Like, this ain’t nothing. I It just It’s It’s mindblowing to me. Where are we going to get where where do they They don’t got nobody. Where are they finding offensive linemen and receivers? Like, where are they going to find them? Yeah, that’s that’s what I’m wondering because they don’t exist, right? Like, you look around this league like there’s not enough quarterbacks and there’s not enough offensive linemen. That’s suddenly not going to change with one draft. I mean, the trader for Cam Robinson, he can’t put his feet in the right spot at all. He gets flagged every single game. Well, there’s a reason he signed an 11 million deal and then got traded four months later cuz he got beat out by a rookie and the Texans are a bad offensive line. I mean, somebody check his shoe size. How do you line up? Like, go back and look it. I’m exaggerating, but not by much. How many times has he been flagged for illegal formation this year for not being able to put his feet in the right spots? Are we are we going to be without both tackles in this upcoming year? Uh they practiced yesterday on a limited basis. So I think that’s probably something we’ll know more about tomorrow. Okay. But yeah, I mean when you first hear that and you see that and you finish the game, you know, Jenkins is a guard and he’s out there playing right tackle to finish the game. Like that’s that’s difficult. So yeah, you know, Cornelius Lucas, who they brought in to be the backup tackle, he doesn’t dress most games. His cap number next year is almost $4 million. Yeah. Like they’ve just made bad investments. The only lineman they’ve drafted in two years, we talk about it every week is Zack Zer. He doesn’t dress on Sundays, right? And you know how bad you have to be not dressing. So, when I talk about the top six offensive linemen all being free agents, that doesn’t include the guy they drafted in the third round last year. He’s not in the top six. He’s not in the top eight. He doesn’t draft. He doesn’t dress. Are you saying Are you saying that the Browns are just giving money away? Yes, they are. Well, good. Put the camera on me, Steve. This is a perfect time to talk about this because there’s this kid that’s on the Browns radio network that does pregame and postgame shows. Since we just giving money away, you know, I if you want to throw me a couple extra them dollars, you know what I’m saying? I’m actually putting in the work to try to give the people the things they need to hear and try to teach them the game. Negotiate direct deposit. They’re going to pay you more money. As much as much as I appreciate that, you might be playing punk coverage by week three. So, that’s probably where your raise is coming. Would you be shocked? Let’s say the Browns have a top five pick. How shocked would you be if they announced that pick as Caleb DS? Well, shocked and the Browns, we separated those terms long. nothing they can do. Shock. Um I I would be shocked, but look, if if they end up in the top two, they have to take a quarterback. If they end up three, four, five, six, almost any position. No, it has to be offense probably, but like there’s a million different ways. You know, they going to take a defensive player. They just did it last year. They love to do the same thing twice. They They have to get wide receiver and they have to get offensive tackle. They have to. We have gone 10 minutes and have not talked about Shador Sanders. So, let’s get to it. He is. What did you think of of the first performance and what are you expecting for this week? I was largely unsurprised, right? Given the lack of preparation and just the fact that they told us that he wasn’t ready in so many different ways, right? You know, here’s the other thing. Kevin, in retrospect, should have come out a long time ago and said, “This is a red shirt year. We we like this kid. He’s not ready.” Now, it wouldn’t have mattered if he said that because they pushed him up to number two by the 7th of October anyway, right? But he should have said that. So, now he goes and plays. I think he will be better. I think in some ways he can’t help but be better. Um, there’s no middle ground on this shidor discussion. That’s right. Sadly. So, if you take that out, if you had to choose this week, what do you think? Total failure or great success? I mean, nothing you’ve seen says success. Yeah. No. No. But I do I do think he’ll be better. And I, you know, I think I’m I’m excited to see what happens. And and to go to the middle ground discussion for one, like it’s important that he’s at least that because there aren’t enough quarterbacks to go around, right? You know, the the Steelers have to start Mason Rudolph this week. They’re the only team in the division that hasn’t played three. So like you need Shador Sanders to be an NFL quarterback even if he’s not this mega star. Like you need him to go out there and read defenses and not throw pick sixes and do all those things. Like I said, I think he will be better. But this is important for the future of this franchise that he’s at least a competent NFL player because regardless of who wanted to make the investment, they made the investment and we didn’t even get to Thanksgiving and here he is playing. I mean in this game if he went 11 for 17 for 182 yards and a touchdown, I’d be like that’s a up moments right now. Anybody expecting him to throw for 300 yards with three touchdowns? Like be realistic here. I don’t I don’t think nobody said 300. I’m the Kool-Aid mafia drinker, bro. You don’t have the weapons for 300 yards. Zack, I will say you’re right. I will say and maybe again I’m crazy. I haven’t been I’ve been I feel like feel like kind of neutral on on Shadore. I want to see. Right. But I will say that when he came on that final drive of the game, I felt a little more confident in him. Like I thought there was a chance that they could score there. Whereas with Gabriel playing, I thought there was no chance. Is that crazy? You are right. Now I will say this. The one thing this group has succeeded in six years is completely lowering the bar. That’s couldn’t be more true. So when a guy comes in and doesn’t throw every pass for four yards, you’re like, “There’s a chance to There’s no other way to say it.” We was like, “Oh, listen. He’s throwing the ball down. At least he threw it down field a little bit.” Right. Like when I It turned out to be a big thing that I never envisioned. But when I saw him at rookie mini camp, just look like an NFL quarterback. Just pick up the ball and spin it like an NFL quarterback. It was like, “Oh my gosh, what happens here?” He definitely looks like more of an NFL quarterback than Dylan Gabriel, without a doubt. Right. Let me see. Let’s say let’s say that this turns out to a total failure, right? Is there would would you be okay with seeing Deshawn in the last game? I mean, I I would for the comedic value, but Good point. I don’t think they will because then Zach slows down at car crashes. He’s a rubbernecker. They’re they’re facing their own embarrassment. And they put a guy out there to get booed in his own stadium last week. Imagine what it will be like in week 16 or 17 if they say if Deshun Watson takes the field. He won’t be able to get the play in because the booze from the 13,000 people that are there. They won’t be able to introduce the offense. I guess it won’t be cuz it’ll be all Steelers fans, all Bills fans in those games. Well, the last week of the season against the Bengals, too. That would be funny cuz the Bengals have the worst defense and he might actually play well. That’s a road game. I joked yesterday that they should they should flex Titans Browns. But like if Shador’s playing one of those last games could I was just about to I was about to ask you this. If true if he plays so here the the big thing about it is we talked about it like okay we’ve had big you know stories right the the closest thing I think Albert Brid talked about it being like Tim Tibo thing on steroids and I don’t know if it’s some of our audience realizes what Tim Tibo was back then like if that is that on steroids say he does play pretty well this game uh how much of a crescendo does it get week by week after is he keeps playing is that a thing that is going exponentially grow. It will crash if he doesn’t play well, but if he plays well, it will. There is no doubt about it. And Tibo’s a great I worked for Fox when Tibo was a rookie. I got assigned to a preseason game, Jets, Bengals. NFL Network had a TV camera that just never left the Jets sideline. It was on He didn’t get in until mid- third quarter, but starting 15 minutes before kick until he went in, it was just on him on the sideline. It’s similar. It is. How many years ago was that? More than 10 now, right? Yeah. Yeah. That was a long long time ago. But yeah, if if if Shadore plays poorly, it will crash out and Dylan Gabriel will will be back in. But if Shadore plays well, it will build and he will stay quarterback. I’m not going to speak for this organization, but that’s like plays well. What does that look like? 100 184 yards. I would say this, Jason. That’s a great qu. What does it look like? But the two defenses you want to play are the next two on the scale. Absolutely. The Niners are ravaged by injury. And then you got the Titans after that and the Yeah. you. So, so this three the runways there for sure. Yeah, 100%. And to start, make your first start, get a full week of practice to be playing the Raiders, you could not have asked any better. Now, we said 1117, 180 to touchdown. If they lose the game and Dylan’s clear, Dylan’s going back in if those were his numbers. That’s right. That is exactly right. He’s going to have to go 250 270. Why get Dylan back in there? I just don’t get it. They think he’s the head coach wouldn’t say his name until four days ago. I’ll be telling people, right? We’re just reading the context. We don’t make the decisions, but we’re reading. He would not say his name until 4 days ago. So, this is one of I told people, man, look, in life, man, you get an opportunity. If if you got to overkill it like it ain’t no like, oh, let’s like if it’s even, you leaving like Ty say, hey, you got to get you. He has to come in there and show what you can do today. Like some people don’t get no three, four, five opportunities. He got to come in there, win the football game, look like the dude. And I think if you listen to this his press conference, I think he knows that cuz he talked about like the the the maturity and the the the speed has to ramp up to get it. Now, I think he even knows that. I think when you go back to the beginning of the season, you looked at it and I thought Joe Flacco made sense for this reason. He throws two touchdowns, he throws two interceptions, you got a chance, you let your defense win it. Like if Shadore does that and and they’re not both pick sixes. Yeah. Then like that’d be fine, right? And then who knows if if Dylan’s clear, they probably do go back to Dylan. But like that would give this team a chance to win this game. Is that where you are? Oh, your bar. You really lowered it today. I I could not be any lower. I’ve watched every game, Tyus. I’ve been at every game for years. Every training camp practice for years in different area codes, different states, different circumstances. This is sad. What? Okay. When you watch your door and that those that half that he played, what did you think his biggest flaw that he has to clean up for this game was the the tucking the ball and thinking he’s going to get away from the defense? He’s got to take the sack right now or put it in the third row right now. when he runs around and turns his back, he’ll be out of the league. If if he continues to do that, he will be out of the league. He did it in the preseason game, he did it in a regular season game. So, I would imagine the script is going to be get it out quickly, get some simple ones, get him in, and then when they bring the blitzes when he is in third and eight, third and 10 later in the game, he’s got to throw it in the third row rather than run around and take a 17 yard loss. Exactly. And there’s going to be mistakes. So, it’s not only just let it be a downfield pick and not a pick six, but it’s how does he respond after they, you know, after he throws that pick? I I haven’t seen the line. I would imagine he’s like minus 500 to throw an interception. Oh yeah, no doubt. I mean, the Browns are a four-point dog. I know they’re on the road, but the Raiders just as bad, if not worse than them. They’re both teams are two and eight. Yeah, they’re both horrible. Um Jerry Judy’s press conference yesterday. What’s Do you know what’s going on with him? No. No idea. They pay him a lot of money to catch the ball and he doesn’t do it. Yeah. I actually think the last two weeks have been his best weeks this year. They have. Which is again the bar is low. Yeah. Uh, and he made that great play where he broke the three tackles on that final drive, but he was miserable. He’s got ability, but it’s been a miserable season. I thought Scott Petra was going to crap himself when he asked that last question. He was so nervous as we’re at 51 weeks since that huge game, right, in Denver and then we haven’t seen anything since that’s a long time ago. It was It was Thanksgiving week. I get this every day. Hey, listen. Well, you know, I look at it like this. If I’m if if I’m Shador Sanders, um Sean King did say something. He was like there was a the third down play. I think the the key to what he needs to do is understand what do I need to do to extend the play and not run around. I’m saying extend the drive, so to speak. There was a play where Jerry Judy was on the out on the out route. We looked at it in the film. Now I I can’t be bad. He dropped the dime the gauge, right? But that’s part of the game as well is thinking four, five, six, seven steps ahead, not just in the moment. Do you think that he’ll he’ll do that this week or is that something that they’re telling him? Tommy Reese is letting him know, hey, this is what we want you to do and just live to fight another day. I I think that’s probably the gist of what they’re preaching to him. And I think it will be that now it’s when you get in third and eight and you know the blitz is coming, what happens? But I think it’s going to be a lot of roll out, a lot of get rid of it quick and that’s going to be the teaching point. Just throw it in the third row and punt, right? Like both both teams want to like that Raiders offensive line is awful. Yeah, it is awful. Now the Browns actually have a worse pressure rate allowed than the Raiders, but like when you just watched them last week under constant duress Smith’s thrown it over the middle. Can’t do that. That’s where it gets picked. Get rid of it. Could we see Miles Garrett at 20 sacks by the end of this game? It’s possible. It’s absurd to say, but it’s realistic. I mean, it’s it’s that crazy. I mean 10 in three games and they lost all three. Well, let me ask you this. You like Richard Don did it in 1984. That was the greatest defense. 40 years later, we talk about that being the greatest defense ever constructed. Miles Garrett’s out here on a two- win team having 10 sacks in three weeks. Speaking of which, by the way, there’s a documentary coming out uh next week about the uh Super Bowl Shuffle. Remember the two bowl? You’re old enough for that. You probably don’t remember that timeless. You’re too young. But um yeah, I mean it’s hard. It’s funny because Dustin and I were just talking this morning about that remember that stretch by Josh Gordon in 2014 13 where he had those four games in a row where he had like 800 yards. They lost all of those games too. The the Browns like do these historic things. Well, let me ask you this. This is really an impossible question, but I’m curious. You’ve you’ve covered the Browns forever. I know it’s hard to judge different positions against each other. Is Miles Garrett playing at a higher level than any Browns player you’ve ever seen? Yes. Yes. I mean, when you know, Joe Thomas was a no doubt Hall of Famer by like the fifth year of his career, but he was a left tackle that was always on losing teams, right? You weren’t judging that. You know, Nick Chub has had a few years that were phenomenal, but they’ve coincided with Miles, and Miles is still going. Miles is better than ever. So, it’s it’s absurd. They’re going to have the defensive player of the year and the defensive rookie of the year. That is up there with three or four. Gordon got suspended. Yeah. Played on a four- win team and won the receiving title. You know how you just said that this next stretch is the worst like defenses? So you telling me eight and nine is still possible? Yes. You’ve believed it since day one. You were there first. Titus got to go six and one. Nadore make us go six and one. It’s done. I shut it down. I said before my favorite part of home games is I was looking for you in the press box at halftime. Oh, was it there? Well, that’s why I couldn’t find it. My favorite part is finding Tyus at halftime and early in the season. The look on his face. He’s like, “They ain’t gonna win eight games, are they?” It’s like Ty trying to tell you, buddy. This is not an eight- win team. Well, those days are over. He’s now negative time, which we like. No, I’m realistic time. Realistic time. They’ve lost 14 of their last 16 games going into Sunday. I got to see how this Sunday go. The Sunday who lead receiver, Gage, I think Cedric Tilman will be the leading receiver. Zack, are you going on record and saying that the Browns will win or lose? If I had to pick one, I would very easily pick loss, but I do think it will look better. And I do think that there’s a chance that the Browns defense goes out and completely dominates and puts Shador in a position to where you just make two plays and avoid the back breaker and we got a chance to win this. The Raiders are awful. So why would the Browns lose to them? The Browns the Browns are rolling the first 10 games. The Raiders are favored. That’s how I understand it. I don’t understand it. Ow. When you pull up the offensive numbers, the Browns are at the very bottom. Bottom two in every single one. Where’s the Raiders? About three spots above. Yeah. I mean, they got they got Bowowers. They got Brock Bower. Genty is terrible this year. Going It’s not It’s not his fault. No, it’s not. But his line is terrible. Yeah, they got Trey Tucker, Northeast Ohio kid. Yeah, he’s a good season for himself. Yeah, but they traded Jacobe Meyers, so he’s gone. Yeah, they don’t I mean they feed Brock Bowers. It’s Brock Bowers. That’s it. They go two and three tight end sets and they Michael Bayer. Yeah. So, who will have more sacks? Max Crosby or Miles Garrett? Oh, I mean both of them are like the total is like three and a half. Like absurd. I mean Miles Garrett might break the sack record at the end of this three game stretch. I don’t think that’s impossible, right? Like I said it should happen against Mason Rudolph and that would be but it’s going to happen way before. Like he’s going to crush this sack record, right? He’s on pace for 25 and a half. He just has to stay healthy. That’s if he stays healthy. I mean that’s been the thing. That’s the final hurdle for him. He’s never had a big December. He’s never had a big December. Miles and strip sacks. I’ve never I’ve never had a two and eight two two and eight teams play where I am more excited to watch this game. I don’t know. Like maybe it’s cuz Miles Garrett is about He could get 30 sacks. No, no, no, no. Shidor the first. Stop. Slow down. You know good and well where I was going. But let me get to it. Let me get to it. Let me get to it. I got the big watch. I got the big watch on. Excited about Gino Smith. No big watch. Big chain on today. Gino might get bitched at halftime. And I love the fact that he said, “By the way, nobody got me for my jewelry. I still got my jewelry.” That was hilarious. by the way. Um, no, but have you seen a two two and a he where people like I think the word like at 4:30 LeBron going to be watching, Skip Bailey’s going to be watching, Stephen A going to be watching, Joe Varden going to be watching, everybody versus Joe, everybody, even if you cover Shams is going to be watching. It don’t even matter if you covering hoops. G, let me tell you, I I don’t have to travel. This team is so awful. I don’t I don’t go on the road. I got the call Tuesday afternoon. You’re going to Vegas. Hey. Hey, big dog. Get your bags packed. Ready? So, I go. I He’s in a building. Don’t let him pretend like he doesn’t want to go. Hey. Hey. Don’t act like this is how much I don’t want to go. I am flying direct Sunday morning non-stop, landing, going to the stadium, writing a story, going to the airport, and flying home. I’m not even getting a room until Formula 1 weekend in Vegas. So, logistically, it’s amazing. Yeah. Mike said coffee and cocaine. Lloyd will be rolling in Monday cuz I’m on the show Monday. I’m taking a red eye home Sunday night and coming right if he got if he I I’m trying to get him to wear a watch. He said he want he will not wear a watch and throw it up unless he throw for 500 yards. 517 57. I think if he throw for 300 Jason I’ll put I’ll go I’ll go wrist up for 300 for 300. I was actually going to stay in Vegas an extra day and watch some college basketball. There’s a big tournament out there that starts Monday. But it’s Shador Mania. I got to get home. So, I’m not coming home Sunday night. At least not yet. I might change to it because like who knows? I My story that I wrote today is, “Hey, the Browns are two and eight and they’re bad.” But Shador’s in and Miles is chasing history. Like, they’re not boring. That’s it. We got two exciting storylines on this awful team. We here get more sacks than Max Crosby. That’s a great question. That’s a great question. Our line is trash. We can’t pick up a twist to save our life. It’s sick. Oh, Kyle Hamilton and that and that D line had a field day running twist on that sick. The Raiders have anybody any good besides Crosby on their defensive line? They gave Christian Wilkins all that money and cut him. They gave him 99 million guaranteed and then where is he getting now? Nowhere he did that he did some tricky stuff. By the way, let me throw something at all of you guys because I’ve had a change of heart on this situation. We have talked about, and I know Jason and I were in agreement on this, that it probably made sense before the season to trade Miles Garrett. And the theory is, well, by the time the Browns are good, if they’re ever good, he’s going to be past his prime. But I was thinking about this in the last couple of weeks as we’ve been looking at the the sack record. The two best defensive ends I’ve ever seen, pass runners, shooting defensive ends, are Reggie White and Bruce Smith for me. Okay. They both played at a high level till their mid30s. In fact, Bruce Smith or one of them was still a Pro Bowler at 37 years old. And Bruce Smith had six sacks at age 40. Biles Garrett is a more of a freak athlete than either of those guys. Barring catastrophic injury, there’s no reason he couldn’t play at a high level till at least 35. Is that fair to say? Yeah, true. I mean, that’s what they’re banking on. They So, your faith in the Browns putting a contender around him in the next eight years? I six years. How old is he? 30. He turns 30 next month. All I’m saying is I think in my mind I was thinking, well, it’s just another year or two. They can’t turn around a year or two. Let’s again whether it’s whether Shador Sanders ends up being the guy or they find him in next year’s draft or the year after that, it is still possible that at when he’s 32 33 they find that quarterback and now M and now Miles is winning games. How old is he when they open the dome? Oh, he turns 30 next month. That’s all they care about. That’s all they care about. Be 34. You anybody going to bet against Miles Garrett still being at at very least one of the best pass rushers at 34? I wouldn’t bet against He’ll still be he’ll still be very very Exactly. So, I’m I’m going to try to stay a little positive. Hey, listen. Hey, hey, we going to we’re going to find out, man. Miles Garrett will be super excited if we can get if we can get the quarterback. And you know what? Miles might push he might get near 30 sacks this year, right? It might might push like to where he’s going to has a realistic chance to break every record. I’ll retire. Well, the alltime sack obviously sacks weren’t an official stat since 82 because there were guys before that that might but officially Bruce Smith’s 200 sacks is the most. Do you think I mean he needs 82 and a half to get there? Do you think that’s something that would motivate him to play longer? Sure. Especially if he gets 10 12 more this year. Yeah. Right. It’s November and he cooking like that, right? Seven games left and he’s always it’s the December miles that we got that got to this is the only thing he has to play for. This is it. Okay. Right. He’s got his money. He will catch up by the time No, I mean this year, like this year. Of course. The only thing he has to play for. I’m glad you brought up the name Bruce Smith. I got a great story. Yeah. I forget when he retired. Let’s say 2004, I believe. Okay. Let’s say it was 04. As soon as he retired, when somebody went up to him and said, “Can I have your autograph?” He would sign it. Bruce Smith, HOF, Class of09. He was 5 years away. That’s what he was signing his autograph. That’s awesome. If you’re the alltime sack leader, you can get away with that. That is a great story. I got to interview Bruce. Have you guys ever seen his hand? Yes. The pinky on his hand. Yeah. Zack, I’ll let you describe it cuz like his hands are like like I mean the biggest hand you like I have a big hand. It is double the size of mine. Oh my god. But his pinky is at a 90° angle. It goes Oh, it’s like this. Yes. What rapper had a song please excuse my hands? Was that flies? Yeah. Okay. I don’t know where to go with that. I don’t know what the hell happened there. I got I got a boy who got a pull and I looked at she like what are we supposed to do with this? Like what am I going to do with that? All right. Somebody going to say who? What? Another plausible reason. Let’s go, man. Zack oneline King comes back with 75 oneliners. Rewind that. Hit the like button. Will you do any gambling in Vegas? No, I’ll just be watching some football. They paid Jerry Judy all that money to catch the ball and he doesn’t do that. That’s the best. It’s factual. It’s Thank you, Zach. We appreciate you. That is the great Zack Jackson. We appreciate you, Zack. We’re going to get Zack out of here. Play no offense. Right. As a reminder, though, after the conclusion of Shador Sanders first start, there will be a live postgame show on the YouTube channel. We start at the two-minute warning. Every week it’s G. Earl and myself. We will be breaking down everything we see from the Browns rookie quarterback and anything else we see in the game. If Miles has 10 sacks, we’ll talk about that. If Judy has a big game, we’ll talk about that. We’ll focus a lot on the quarterback and we expect record-breaking numbers and quite a number of super chats. We’ll read them all. That is on the two-minute warning show starting at the two-minute warning Sunday around 7:05 p.m. Crazy. All right, guys. Let’s play No Fence Riders. In the history of No Fence Riders, we have never had a six-pack of questions that delivered more than four four dead even splits. The fact you know that is creepy. Well, I’ve been trying to get a six for sixer. Oh, okay. We have not gone six. We went five for six today. Well, feel free to manipulate my answers as needed. If it was if if this last question was 53 and you were the decipher, I would have swapped you, but this was this was one that was not a 4-4 split. But most of these were. So, let’s dive into it. The first is the same question we’ve been asking on fence riders each of the last six weeks. Will insert quarterback here throw for a certain number of yards. Started Dylan at 200. So, we’re going to start Shador at that same plateau. I felt it would be disrespectful to put Shadore at the lowest level of Dylan Gabriel’s 165 projection, which he did not hit last week. So, the numbers 200. Will Shador throw for 200 this week? Four of you guys said yes. Four of you guys said no. The four yeses saying 200 plus are both JG and me. Earl angry Jason, Dustin, and Tyus said it will go below that 200. This is a very interesting mix. Do you know what the line is in Vegas for his yards? Probably 165. I can tell you right now it’s like below that. Really? It’s like 157 and a half or something like that. I think 158 and a half something around. Yeah. I mean listen it the odds are it’s going to be under 200. I just got a hunch. Not that he’s gonna throw for a million yards, but I got a hunch it’s gonna be in the low 200. This is not a high bar. No. Like one play will get you 60 if you can, you know, one one block and you can get 60 on a play. He could well and you could throw a screen pass and the guy saying, right? Exactly. Like like Ty said this like he said this way back when we was doing film review against the uh Pittsburgh Steelers and you said listen there’s going to be two or three plays where Shador will throw this football downfield. It’s a fact. and like he’s going to find him and throw him. So that alone based on the depth of target gives you an opportunity to have Now I ain’t going to say it’s going to be 297. I mean but come on 212 207 I probably would have cided on yes had I not seen the Vegas line. I was like far away. It’s 158.5 on Vegas. By the way 158 I just think they going I got to say that in our fantasy league Yes. where you start two quarterbacks and quarterbacks are hard to come by. Nobody has picked up Shador Sanders, including G. Bush. I mean, we like Why would you feel like we in the middle of the all this? You feel I watch film every week of this these receivers and offensive line. I ain’t stupid. Yeah. It’s not like he’s going to run for a ton of yards, but I did take him in one of my other fantasy leagues. Okay. Number two, Mike. Number two. He is picked up. Oh, somebody was picked him up today then. Who picked up I just tried picking him up. It’s Anthony, isn’t it? Who picked up and picked him up? Did you pick them up this morning? M Anthony, I claimed my waiver last night. I needed something. Two was on a buy and waivers last night. There was wavers, too. Hey, put the mic on. Put the camera on and put that wrist up and there it is. Let’s go. Let’s go. I was legit going to pick him up right now. Mason Rudolph. You already made me trade you for two. Give me something. Let’s go. All right. What’s the next one, Mike? The next one, he did it last week. Can he do it again? Will Miles Garrett have more sacks than total touchdowns? Crazy. In this game? I can’t remember what I answer. Before I give you the answer. Oh, wait. I need to set this up. I don’t remember what I said. Earl and and myself go over the no fence rider questions up in the office before we send them out. And I was like, “Guys, this is crazy. What do you think?” And they gave me their answer. We got in a heated debate over this yesterday upstairs. And I said, “This is going to make a perfect fence rider question.” And lo and behold, it came out to a dead even split. The people who think Miles will have more sacks than total touchdowns between both teams. Ironically, three of the four are not sitting on this panel. Only one of the four yeses is sitting on this panel. Tyus Powell. Oh, I did say yes. I don’t remember. Bull G and myself said there will be more touchdowns than Miles has sacks. Tyus, Dustin, Jay, Earl, and Anthony, for what it’s worth, said yes, Miles has more touchdown uh more sacks than touchdowns. I mean, as great as he’s been and he’s had these two massive sack games and and he’s Miles Garry’s a freak. He could have another huge sack game, but the reality is a guy getting more than three sacks in a game almost never happens. Now, he might get three and there might only be two touchdowns. This is where I was at on this cuz I thought three, too. I said, “Can he get three sacks?” Yeah. And then I said he could get three and a half. That’s true. That’s a yes. That’s true. I got I got four touchdowns, two sacks. See, I thought three touchdowns and I didn’t think he would get over three sacks. That’s three is I got two sacks. I mean, it’s it the fact that we could the fact that we can legitimately argue this is effing absurd. He’s the only player in the league that you could have this conversation. No, it’s absurd for not just because of Miles Garrett. It’s also absurd because both these teams are so bad. It doesn’t matter how bad the teams are there. No player should be able to out sack touchdowns in a game. But Jason, if if if we were talking about two good teams wouldn’t this wouldn’t get brought up no matter how good Miles Garrett is. Who all said yes to this. The yeses to this one were you, Tyus, Earl, Jay, and Dustin. Here’s why. Here’s why this You like the company you keep like that. Shout out to Earl. Here’s why. Here’s why this was a relatively easy question. I just saw the Cleveland Browns defense what they did against the Baltimore Ravens. They got a pick six. They got look they turned the ball over on Shador Sanders. He threw an interception. They came right back with Carson Western and got that boy right back. They actually gave the ball to Dylan Gabriel in the side the the what 10 yard line or 20 yardd line and they still didn’t score. So the thing is if you want a game where you probably can score some points and you don’t really need to be having like a high level of offensive capability, go ahead and play Gino Smith who tied for what? first in the league with how many picks you got 11 13 interceptions. You the the secondary is playing well, the defense is playing well. You might get an opportunity to get the ball or or have a defensive touchdown. So, I’m get I got four or five touchdowns in this game. I think the what’s I think the Browns will score three and I think the uh the uh Ravens will score two. All right. Next, we’ve asked this about Dylan Gabriel. We asked this about Joe Flack. We have to ask it about Chador Sanders. Will he play a turnover-free game against Las Vegas? Another dead even split, guys. Earl Tyus, G and Dustin said yes. No turnovers against Las Vegas. Jason Bull, Jay, and myself said they’ll have at least one. Gee, confidence in the no or no turnovers. I’m confidence in the game plan. That’s what I was going to say. The game the game plan. If you if you want to watch your confidence in the Kevin Sansky game Tommy Reese Tommy Reese game Tommy Reese’s gameplay but here’s here’s what I’m gonna say like that game plan that you saw against the Miami Dolphins like you may see wildat you may see roll out you going to see a lot of run plays you going to see screen passes I’m not anticipating that he throwing it 35 times uh right but I mean rookies make mistakes I get that you know it’s his first start they’re not going to throw it and take the sack back or he going to throw a completion? I to me he he will he will have that moment where somebody going to drop one. Here’s why I think he’s going to throw a pick because and I don’t have a problem with this. I think Shadore is is more aggressive than Dylan Gabriel, which I like. He’s he’s less afraid to throw the ball downfield. And yeah, there’ll be times where he’ll be like, I got to be smart. I got to But then there’s going to be times where he’s like, I got to make a play. Bleeping. And and at least one of those they gonna drop the other that’s the one they gonna drop. All right. Would I would I be surprised if he threw a pick? No. How could you be? Yeah. I mean, I mean, no, but rookies turn the ball over. This is the only answer that I actually wrote my answers down and before I hit send, I flipped it. Oh, I changed I changed mine three times. It’s the only one I flipped. I Because here’s the thing. I was like I said I could see it tip passes throwing because because and the reason I did was when we was doing a film review and the Ravens their secondary was was was baiting they was baiting cats up and there was times where you would think they was in cover three they like no I’m in man coverage and I’m sitting on all these underneath routes and there were times where he if he would have thrown just blindly like yeah I think this is open them is picks So, I I guarantee the Raiders is going to come out and have this the same game plan. Yeah, we spent a lot of people spent a lot of time this week talking about he’s got a full week to prepare and that’s true and that’s great, but the Raiders also have a week to look at what the Ravens did and they have a week to scheme against him. So, I think they’re going to dial up pressure and probably I don’t think it’s going to be like a four turnover game or anything like that, but I think he’ll probably throw a pick. Yeah, just like we talked a lot about, hey, this is the first time he’s preparing to be the starter. As you said, Jason, it’s the first time a team’s preparing to play against and they’ve got tape on him a little bit. A little bit. Yeah, a little bit. All right, Mike. Next. Next one. The Browns have scored more than 20 points just once this season. Will this be the second time they do it against the Raiders? Oh, no. 24th ranked defense. Another dead even split, guys. Bull JG and myself said it’s going to happen. Y’all sick. I Earl, Jason, and Dustin not buying it. Again, doesn’t have too much to do with the offense. I’m going with the defense. Miles Garrett strip sacks. They got picks. These the the defense is legitimately going to say stuff like that. You know they not getting 20 points. Look, bro. They How many points they get last week and the defense gave him how many points? Six. If Miles picks up Gino Smith and carries him into the end zone. Is that two or six? Two. Well, all right. Then take the ball away and go in. Yeah. All right. You strip sack, right? You know what I’m saying? I got I got I got I got him with like 22 points. Yeah. Right. 22 17. Um, here’s the thing, guys. Quinn Sean Judkins is gonna have a big game this week because Shador is gonna throw the ball down the field a little bit. The Raiders defense stinks and I think it’ll open up a little bit for Quinn Sean. And as we’ve seen with Quinshan, he doesn’t need that much. He needs a little help. You got him a fantasy team, don’t you? I do. I know. But I I have in five fantasy leagues, I got I got almost every player. Can Can I give you a really bad prediction? Go ahead, please. I think Jerome Ford’s going to play more than you think for pass protection. Unacceptable. No, not after the film I just watched last week. Just Quinn Sean was just as bad. Jerome Ford. They I I think they trust Ford more in Blitz Pickup. I think they trust Ford more pick up than they do after what I just seen. I know he wasn’t good either. I know. I just think they’re going to be able to run the ball more effectively on early downs against the Raiders and that will keep them out of some of those third and long situations where you you might put in a Jerome Ford. And I I I I just think Jesus is going to have a hundred yard game and two touchdowns in this one. I think he’s going to have a big game. If he puts you like this, if he have a 100 yard game and two touchdowns, the Browns won. That’s not true. Wow. No, I probably win. They win. That’s not true. Minnesota I think he had that. They didn’t play Minnesota. Yeah, they did. The Vikings. London. You’re right. That was like the perfect game. Did Judkins have 100 yards and two touchdowns, Mike? I’m looking up right now. Quinn Sean Judkins. Judkins had 110 and no touchdowns. No touchdowns. All right, next. Mike, I forgot about London. Next one. That was a very long time ago. The only one that wasn’t a dead even split has to do with Quinn Sean Judkins. By the way, you just say an even split. You don’t say a dead even split. No, I I don’t like a live even. I like dead even. Will Quinn Sean Judkins have more rushing yards than Brock Bower has receiving yards? I thought this was the toughest one. Ironically, it was not the only split. Earl, Jason, Tyus, Jay, Jason, I feel negative. And Bull all said he will feel negative. Dustin and myself. Wow. Leaned a little higher towards Brock Bowers. Let me hear why you think Jud I know you just said both. So, I want to hear from someone else why Jenkins and I’ll tell you why I think it’s going to be Bowowers, but it’ll be close. I just think that they they one they going to spam Junkkins the ball and two I I trust our secondary to like he’s literally the only guy like I feel like they’re going to have to come up with a game plan and it’s a Dale Pit game. If you you you playing at a great level like you should be able to guard Brock Bowers. I can come out of retirement today and guard Brock Bowers. So there really Yes. Easy money. He’s a good player. Easy money. Easy money. So you don’t you think you should put a corner on him? You don’t have He’s too big for too big for that. I’m 6’5 340. How big is Grant Delpit? I don’t think the Browns have covered a tight end since 1988. So I maybe I might rethink that answer. I I think Judkins and Bowers both go over 100 yards. How about that? I think Judkins I like Don’t misunderstand me. I don’t think Ford’s getting 28 carries or anything nuts like that. I just think Ford’s going to play a lot in pass protection. I just But I think Quinc have a big game. I I don’t I don’t I mean, who’s killed the Browns this year? Like, has there been one guy where he like, “Oh, he killed us for 150 or 120.” Like, any guys receiver? Devonte Walker held us for two touchdowns. I I don’t know how many yards he had. Like, who’s who’s had the who’s had the best game for the Ravens? He was He killed us. Best game against the Browns this year. Um, was it was it It might have been the Vikings and and Justin Jefferson, but he didn’t even go crazy. He didn’t go crazy. I ain’t seen nobody go crazy crazy crazy crazy. Uh Cincinnati, they held Chason Higgins to nothing. Baltimore, nobody had a great the first game. Detroit, uh Aman Rah had a good game against him, but he had 70 yards, two touchdowns. That’s not a crazy game. That’s not crazy. Minnesota, nobody. Pittsburgh, nobody. In the New England game, did anybody have a uh Matt Collins had 89 yards? That’s the highest. So, yeah. No, he ain’t about to come out here. I don’t even think Gino Smith going to have no time. And and you go look, you know, you go out and look at as bad as we feel about the Browns, Raiders Nation is like these dudes. I was like, man, I thought we had it bad. They going crazy. Can I tell you why you guys are wrong on this one? Go ahead. And I do agree with you, Bull. I think both go over a hundred. The Raiders are an objective failure this season. They went in with a new coach. Yeah. A new quarterback. They spent a lot of money to be competitive this year. They did not anticipate a 2-8 start to the season. And they have not used Ashton Genty nearly as much as a lot of terrible job. Yeah, they’ve done a terrible job. They don’t run the ball. They decide to throw the ball on 64% of their plays, G. They just traded Jacobe Meyers. If you have Denzel Ward on Trey Tucker, I’m taking Denzel 100 out of 100 times in that matchup, which means you have one option to throw the ball, and that is Brock Bowers. And at the end of the day, as good as Judkins has been, if the Browns offensive line is what we think it is and what it has shown to be, Judkins could have a great game. and finished with 70 yards and he has 98 after conference. Yeah, but they played against a a terrible Cowboy defense last week and Bowowers didn’t have a huge game. I’m not saying he had a huge game every time. You go back two weeks when he had 12 catches for 13, right? But that’s been an anomaly this year. Well, he was hurt and now he’s back healthy again. I just think they’re going to throw the ball because that’s what they’ve done all season. And without Meyers, Bowowers is back. He’s healthy. I know he didn’t have a huge game last week, but somebody has to get targets and it’s either easier to pick up chunk gains in the passing game than it is in the running game. So, I think it’s both 100 for each. I think Judkins has a good game. I just think Bowowers at the end of day is going to have I I like I like I like our two guys on there on him. I like I like Delpit and I like Carson Schwinger. It’ll be a hell of a tough uh in a good way like a good measuring stick test. How good is Schwinger in coverage if he gets that one-on-one assignment multiple times cuz Bowers is really good. Can I swinger does Could Schwinger make the Pro Bowl? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. By the way, do you know what the most yards receiving is for any Browns player in a game this year? This year it’s Fannon. Yeah. How many yards? 78. I was going to say 82 if I remember correctly. Fannon 81. 81. Wow. And then Judy second with with 78 two weeks ago. And uh Judkins, there’s only been one 100yard rushing game. That was Judkins. Minnesota. Minnesota. Minnesota. That’s been it. All right. Last question. Yeah. My favorite one. Who will do more wrists up celebrations on Sunday, Shadore or the Raiders defense? Ah, this easy. This definitely was easy for me. This me and Titus talked about this yesterday. Well, you two are on the same side of the fence and Jason Jar said it will be Shador, which is crazy cuz I feel like Jay, you have the most confidence in Shadore, but you’re going more on the defensive side for the rest up man. after they going to sack him and they going to throw that wrist up. They going to get a PBU. They going to throw that wrist up. They tackle Jens in the back field. Wrist up. Ravens only did it once. Off sides wrist after the first sack. That’s the only time I saw it. Did I miss one? I That’s the only one I saw. I only saw Baltimore do it once. They did it one time. Do it all the time. Oh, of course. Now he’s starting. Let me ask you this. Is Dion going to the game? I don’t see He’s not there. You might see they might start doing the the Dion shuffle on him. They’re going to do. Listen guy, I’m going tell you, me and Tyus are defenders right now. Me and Tyus, if we played on the same squad, is is getting our celebrations ready right now. Watch them. So So I got to watch. They got Listen, we we they got they’re ready to go. So anything that happened bad for the They miss a field goal, the wrist is coming up. That’s a fact. That’s so get used to it. That’s lame. Oh, but that’s what’s going I agree. I I that’s I think that’s lame. that that’s what’s going to happen. Watch me now. Listen now. Who was going to get the Now when he does it, he’s going to get more like he throw a touchdown pass and throw it up. That’s what people going to go crazy for. The little this defensive celebration they don’t that’s just that’s just trolling a little bit. If they sack him, all right, 100% they’re doing Yeah. on this one, buddy. Want to do it as a defense. Tackle Junkkins in the back. That’s Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I’llow one. That’s it. Anything more than one is allowing only one. He’s going to Vegas to police this. I hope he got a watch. Hey, listen. All right, Miguel. Let’s go. Mwell. I That’s Michael in uh in Spanish, isn’t it? Miguel. Not I thought you said Dquel with the M. That like that’s like Dang. It’s a R&B singer. Mquel. Yeah, I like that. Maybe I’ll have to change my name to McQueen one day. It could be from Brooklyn. Uh we got to listen to a very interesting press conference. We’re going to do that after I remind you guys that FanDuel is America’s number one sports book. There’s no better place to get in on the action than with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of both the NBA and the NFL. Right now, FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets when their first $5 bet wins. So, head over to fanduel.com/uss to sign up and play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. And if you have a winning FanDuel ticket, make sure you send it in, guys, so we can feature it on the show. We have to address the Jerry Judy press conference yesterday. We addressed it with uh Zack. like if anyone missed it. Yeah, we’re going to play the entirety of his press conference yesterday. He went to the podium. This was not at his locker. This was at the podium. These are all the questions and all the answers from Jerry Judy. And then I need you guys to explain to me what the hell was going on. Take a listen. Jerry, I know Kevin uh said that Chador is going to get all the first team reps. How important is this week of practice going to be for you guys and and for you specifically to develop chemistry with him and try to get some? Oh, it’s going to be very important. Then, um, what have you seen? We don’t really get to watch practice and I know he hasn’t had first team reps yet, but what kind of development have you seen in him over these past few months? I think that’s his new goal. But on that last drive, it looked like you was the most comfortable on that last drive. Did anything change with him at all? Did he feel better? What did you pick up on watching that last drive? Just having multiple reps. I asked I asked you about it game that that catch that you fought for that first down. Just that kind of effort to to try to extend that play, extend that drive and get that win. Does that show the embodiment of of the hunger that you guys have to to close these games out when you guys are so close so long? For sure. We just got to finish. Wow. I know we ask you this every time you search quarterbacks, Jerry, but is there a way to fast forward the process of trying to develop that timing and chemistry with that new guy? No, you just need reps. Good. Question is so funny. She asked like I don’t know who that was, but she asked like a 30-se secondond question and he gave a two-word answer, which he did for all of them. But like I I felt like Scott Petra was panicking asking that question. No, I wouldn’t say that. But I mean because he made it I’m not picking on him. I don’t mean to be picking on him even though I usually pick on people, but Scott does a good job. But I just it was so awkward and he’s like, “What the hell can I ask here?” That So I was in the back for that. Yeah. Um and I was just like I wasn’t really participating. And I was just kind of like listening in a little bit and you know how like the locker room set up and like I was behind the couches so I was really far away. But after the second answer I looked at Zach and I was like so it’s going to go like that today. Like you you know when you’re in those scrums Yeah. one short okay should they have not bothered to continue asking him questions? I I wouldn’t have. Yeah. Like he wasn’t giving an answer. What are you doing? Like I I’ve I’ve been in those scrums before like that. It’s like you good like you want to be here like and they do have obligations where they’re supposed to be available at least once a week during the week right and I mean obviously so here’s the thing is he having a bad day or is he checked out and you can’t tell off one press conference if he’s just having a bad day everybody has bad days don’t make him like that’s a way why go to the post but the way that this works is like guys have their days like what was yesterday Wednesday’s his day Miles speaks on Fridays Miles goes on Fridays. Uh Joel talks today. Denzel was yesterday. The quarterback is almost always Wednesday. So yesterday was Shador, Jerry, Denzel. And so guys just know that’s their day. They’re going to the podium. So there’s no PR person that like goes and fetches them usually. Like they just know. But it’s like just talk tomorrow. Do you have any idea what was going on? Anybody know? There’s no rumblings. I mean I mean I’m just going to assume he was in a bad mood. Yeah. I’m about to say I don’t I was I assume that he was in a bad mood because you know you listen to him talk after games and stuff and he’s more obviously as the season’s gone on he’s gotten more shorter in his answers and he’s more frustrated with himself but like he when he got the first down on that last drop like he got up he had passion and all those things so that was a great run. Yeah, he’s not checking. I don’t think he’s check he’s not check he wasn’t even like nasty. It wasn’t like he was being nasty. I just think he just he probably got he might have got into it with his girl or something. He might have got y man. That might be what it just blew me and I got to go up here and do this this girl. What? What? Okay. Blew me like that. Y’all sick, man. Y’all know what I’m talking about. Blew my mind. Oh, I I’ve never heard that before. I’ve never heard it like that. Y’all got You just blew my mind. Y’all gotta get out, boy. Y’all ain’t Y’all ain’t never seen somebody like with attitude like triple like that. The line up there. Y’all ain’t never heard that. Hey, shout out to my man first ever triple. Have you ever heard that? G hasn’t heard it. I can’t do that. No, no, no. I’m showing y’all age. I know some people in the chat. Listen, the young people in the chat know exactly what I meant. Like, okay. Your aunt’s younger than you and had no clue what you meant. So aunt was looking white. I’m Italian. I have a little olive in there. Nah, man. Look, man. Hey, look. These dudes, look, bro. Look, football is a tough sport. You be out here doing all kind of stuff. You got to get treatment. His body probably tired. He hurt. He might be He looking around. His numbers ain’t up. He could have been arguing with his girl. Man, listen. Thanksgiving coming up. They trying to figure out whether you want roast beef, ham, or turkey. Decater is calling. His mom’s talking about, “Listen, man. We trying to go look at this new crit.” All the above letter D. And he get up there and he got to talk. He looked like he’s sleepy, too. He might have just woke up like at the end. Well, they just had positional meetings, so he better not have just woke up. Hey, listen. That’s the way it go with the Browns. No, man. Whatever, man. Look, it’s funny. If they go out here and force feed him the ball 15 times and he have a hundred yards, he gonna be smiling ear to ear next week, right? It is what it is, man. Like ain’t nothing crazy. Like guys, I mean, we come for the school of Marshon Lynch. I’m only here so I don’t get fed. Yeah. I uh And now he’s who who would have guessed Marshon Lynch would become a personality. That’s crazy. Retiring from the NFL. He’s the most unlikely unlikely guy to ever do that besides George Foreman. I was going to say Albert Bell. George Albert Bell hasn’t done it. George Foreman had a demeanor like Albert Bell and then turned into Did you see that movie? Which one? That was the George Oh, there it was a movie that came out recently. The one about his life. What are you thinking of the movie? Huh? Well, you’re thinking of what movie it is. Ty, I have a question for you. Shoe from the hip. If Judy is upset at something going on elsewhere, not football related, Impact, doesn’t want to do the press conference, whatever. Do you think that has any carryover to Sunday and his actual play on the field? No. Or once the game starts? That was Wednesday that stuff go out the window press conference that can impact you. No, I think that for him he because he understand like one you’ve heard all these reporters come on and talk about how Shadore is loved in the locker room like a lot of people love Shador and stuff like that. So I think for Judy the same way when it was like a young when Dylan first got his starts like I feel like those veterans know like I got to be on it today to help him out because if I don’t we really don’t have a chance. So like I got to make sure that I’m running these routes crispy. I got to make sure that I’m getting some separation to make him believe cuz me and Gwash the tape. I mean the first read is him every time. Like as especially when you first get in the game, I’m going to Judy every time. Like I don’t care who I’m going to the number one guy. So he knows that. He knows he’s got to play in a really good game Sunday. And it’s not like the Raiders got this locked down number top five corner or anything like that. So it’s on him and I think he’s going to be ready to go. But he he’s answering the questions, right? Like it’s we got he’s getting chemistry and stuff like that. So they getting their timing down and stuff in practice and it should be it should look better. By the way, I noticed you mentioned roast beef for Thanksgiving cuz we are having my Thanksgiving prime rib. I I I’m a big fan of your your Thanksgiving traditions. I’m a big fan of prime rib in general. Yeah. Um but it’s a little difficult. Are you Are you to cook with that? Are you No, my wife makes it. Are you going to reverse sear that? Are you going to roast it? How you going to do that? I have no idea how she makes it. It’s actually easy. Yeah, it’s easy to make prime. I was shocked at how easy it was. You just put it in the oven at like a low temperature for a long time. I think it is. You let that You let that metriculate. Yeah. And it’s always really good. She makes a great prime rib. And then we’re getting We did this last year we got actually last year we got our dinner from Sweet Pork Wilson’s. M. And then we got sides from Whole Foods. They’re open on Thanksgiving. Uh you could order like a package of And that’s what we’re going to do. We’re going to get a little turkey from Whole Foods. I thought you was a prime rib guy. Yeah, we’re having prime rib. That’s what I said. Bring that back. What y’all doing? Turkey. Honey baked. Honey baked ham, too. There it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They I think they get the Cuz you know they got the ones with the golden like stuff on the outside, the crispy stuff. Did I tell y’all I used to work at Honey Baked Ham? No, you did everything. Yeah, man. I worked at Honey Baked Ham in North Canon. Oh. So, uh, I actually know literally what is the Honey Blake ham crust and glaze. I know. I even know the You know the trade secrets. I know the trade secrets. We used to NDAG. I don’t want like listen, you ain’t regular no more. They will get you together to have you get all of a sudden disappear. The honey baked ham. I listen. Shout out to them. You right, McNuggets. I like you. You know what’s funny is I love like cold cut like you go to the the supermarket get Boris Bors had a special ham. But I don’t like hot ham. No, no, no, no, no. I don’t like like a honey baked ham. N I don’t like ham. But it but it’s frozen. You saw it. And so that it it you get the you get the the glaze to be crispy. But in the middle it’s still it’s it’s room temperature. It’s about 68 to 70° internal temperature. Do stuffing. Everybody do stuffing. No, that’s called dressing. Dressing. Stuffing is the best part of Thanksgiving. That’s called dressing. We call it dressing. It depends. G. It’s not inside the turkey. If it’s made inside the turkey, it’s stuffing. Inside turkey, it’s dressing. Interesting. And it’s a pan of dressing, too. and I’m throwing the gravy on top. And by the way, throwing the gravy on top of the whole. If you go to your in-laws house, there is there is a list of people who don’t if you knew don’t tell your wife and your in-laws, don’t get salty cuz she’s not allowed to bring nothing. Like she’s not allowed to bring nothing. You the the dressing is already been handed down. The potato salad is handed down. The green beans that got more meat in the green beans than beans. That’s been handed down. And a sweet potato, not pumpkin. Sweet potato pie. I don’t like either. Has been handed down. So similar, but I’m more of a sweet potato pie. Yeah. I don’t like pie. What about Are you a cranberry sauce guy? No. I can’t stand it. Gross. I ain’t never tried it. Like I’m be honest with you. It’s gross. I like it for one day of the year and it’s Thanksgiving. Outside of that, I I think it’s disgusting. We done got busy. Green be cash. Hawaiian rolls with the butter. A see I’m thinking about going to Sweet Park Wilson. Get cornbread. Yeah. Why? All right. We got two topics we got to get to before we wrap up today’s show. Thanksgiving. What’d he say? We’re talking about Thanksgiving. No, I won’t be anti-American. We got a week before Thanksgiving to have these discussions. All right. Go ahead. Uh and our Thanksgiving discussion will be brought to us by Prize Pix because this episode is brought to you by Prize Pix. We make decisions every day. on prize picks. Being right gets you paid. Don’t miss any of the excitement on this sports season. Whether you’re following the NFL, NBA, or both. There’s no better time to jump in on the action. Just download the Prize Pix app today and use promo code locked on NFL to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. That’s code locked on NFL for 50 in lineups after you play your first five prize picks. It’s good to be right. All right, guys. Bull, you mentioned this earlier and I’m not sure if you knew this was coming up or just happened to come up in conversation, but how do you think Shador Sanders being under center and the threat of an actual downfield passing game will impact how the Raiders try to defend Quinn Sean Judkins? Yeah, that’s part of the reason I think Quinn Sean’s going to have a big game because I think Shadore, it was clear in that first appearance that he is unafraid. There have been times where Dylan Gabriel has had guys open down the field and he’s afraid to pull the trigger. He doesn’t want to throw a pick. That’s how I see it. I don’t actually there’s no way I can know that for a fact that that’s why he doesn’t throw it. But that’s what it seems. Whereas Shadore to, you know, his credit, even though it could backfire sometimes, is unafraid. He will throw the ball downfield. He’ll probably make some mistakes doing it, but he’ll make some plays doing it, too. And you have to have it’s very hard to be successful running the ball if there’s no threat of passing the ball downfield. Now, even if he does throw the ball downfield if you’re the Raiders, you’re still focused on the run game. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it. But even if it makes a half a second difference or a little bit of a difference of that eighth guy being in the box versus the seventh, whatever it might be, Mhm. I think it makes enough of a difference combined with the fact that the Raiders stink defensive defensively that that will lead to Quinn Sean Judkins having more success. That’s how I see it. I think that having Shadore under center, I think the biggest difference between Shadore and Dylan is Dylan is a robot. Shador is a is a football player. And when I say that, like when you’re playing football, they always say don’t be a robot. Meaning, if you see something, go for it. To where I’m I might tell you I want it to be like this. The playbook might say to go like this, but be a football player. If you do what you got to do to make it happen. And I think when you look at Dylan, the way he played, it was like, “Coach want me to do it exactly like this, so I’m going to do it just like this.” And that’s what gets you on the field, and that’s what should get you on the field cuz you get trust with the court with the coach and that and that rapport. But at the end of the day, the people that win games is football players. It’s so many time, you know. How many times I seen JK go underneath a block? You know, you never supposed to go underneath a block to go make a play, but yet he did it. Boom. Got back on there, made the play, and it just was unbelievable. Like, it’s so many examples of that. And I think with Shadur, it’s might it might get him in trouble sometimes cuz you’re never going to be 100%. But like the aggressiveness, the fact that I’m I know Kevin said I have to throw this, but I’m I’m about to throw this. Like even in the preseason, his two touchdowns against Carolina, he probably shouldn’t have threw that ball. I mean, one was in triple coverage, the other one was in double coverage and yet he still made the play to where I feel like maybe Dylan maybe never would have thrown that ball. So, I think having that mindset and being able to pull the trigger on some of those Absolutely. Because if I’m playing corner, it’s well, I got to he he he’ll throw it. Let me back up. The Ravens already came out and said we know they not they not throwing the ball deep. We me and G watch the tape. Heck, the post safety was only 10 yards off the ball. They was all like in that box. You can count all 11 right there in the box, close to the box. So, I think yeah, just having him in there is going to open up things for everybody, you know, as far as the run game goes in. And I think for the passing attack, even though it’s intermediate, I feel like for the first play, if I was the Browns, if I was Tommy Reese, the first play I would run on the very first snap is out and up. I’d run it out and up. I come out in that spacing with that condensed formation. I have Judy run that out and boom, go up. I guarantee you if you throw it, it probably be wide open. Probably be wide open because they would never expect it, man. You know, look, if I I look at it like this, man. Hey, you ever been on a diet for a long time? You just been Yeah. You be doing You be all right. You be you be doing what you working out and then you be like, “Okay, I got a cheat day.” And Thanksgiving is coming up, right? We just talked about all that good bull. You talk about Hey, if you going to be sitting here, don’t nobody care nothing about you trying to have no diet on Thanksgiving. I do. Whoa. One plate. Listen, if you going to have a cheat day, go all the way up top. Don’t eat one piece of cornbread. Hey, get get busy. Matter of fact, eat eat so much you got to lay it down and then you get right back on the bike the next day. You say, “G Bush, what are you talking about?” Here go your analogies. Jador Sanders got one night only anyway. You see, look, like if he don’t ball out, they gonna put Dylan Gabriel right back in, right? If he don’t, if he don’t come out here making no throws, he come out here and they lose the game and he 11 or 18, two, one touchdown and we sitting here arguing back and forth for did it really look better than Dylan. What? Nah, bro. Here’s what I’m gonna tell you, Shador. Go out and live one night only. Go out and let it rip. Maverick top gun. That’s what I’m talking about. Because look, you going to get your one shot. Don’t look back at your one shot and say, “Man, I wish I would have been more aggressive on that. I would have let that post rip.” You know what? I did check it down right here. But I seen something. Hey, franchise quarterbacks, the Brett Favre, the the the Pton Manning. Pton Manning threw 30 something 30 something interceptions his rookie year. You got one shot. Go out there and let it roll. Have fun and and go out there and put some energy into the tape into your teammates and see you can come out with a win. But you are who you you are who you said you are. You got to smile. You got to play the way you play. Go out and play and let let it all hang out and see what you can do. That was beautiful. What did that have to do with Quinn Sean Judkins? Here’s the thing. I was I was talking about him. I was talking about him. Listen. But by the way, you see how this works. If you going to let it all hang out and do all that others kind of stuff, that makes them respect your gangster. That makes them say, “You know what? I can’t get flatfooted cuz this dude really might throw that. He put it on tape last week. He took it was a check down to move the chains to Jerry Judy. He said, “No, Gage Lever, I’m going up top.” If you do that and you establish that early and you establish that I can move in the pocket. I can move here. I’m going to be able to get this off and I will take the ball down run and I will throw the ball deep. Now, you can’t have 55 dudes in the line of scrimmage. By the way, two things about Gage Larvadan before you go. Number one, uh, that sounds like the name of a punk band from the ‘9s. It is a German punk band. Yeah. And number two, I think I’ve heard his name pronounced 13 different ways. We don’t know. I don’t think anybody knows. You got it right. Which one? Gage Larvin. We got to call him Gardan or Larvadin. Oh, I don’t know. I see. There you go. All right, Jason, go ahead. Your thoughts on Quinn Sean Judkin. Uh, I will be curious to see how many checks they give Shadore at the line. How much they trust him with if you see this, do this. If you see that, do that. And I think that will actually be very telling in how good of a game Quincon has because I I think that they’ve kept some seat belts on him to this point. So, we’ll see how much they trust him. And I don’t know, can you tell by watching he had a check and that’s what you’ll see. He did this and he did this one. No, no. I mean, can you tell as a former player if he had if they gave him an option at the line? Yeah. Yeah, he he’ll get up there and he’ll make a he either got a can a play or he’s got to check to the play. Is that what you’re saying? No, I think so. Remember we was watching the film and I said, “Okay, you remember how they had everybody at the line of scrimmage and we were sitting there and saying like, “Okay, well, you got the tight end in a gravedigger position.” Yep. And you have your your back end. What’s that? What What is a gravedigger? Gravedigger is when that tight end is not off the ball and he’s standing in the two-point stand like this. That’s a grave digger. Does he have the does he have the autonomy to say I want to max protect this up? You staying in uh you the back is staying in plus my tight end. They got they showing seven. I got five linemen. I’mma go ahead match protect. I got seven and then we going we going to ride with I feel like all quarterbacks should we going to see. Sometimes they just got to run the play. if he give it to him and they don’t trust him again. And that’s kind of what I’m getting to is I want to see how much they trust him to change things at the line and how much they say go run this because can you tell that? Can you tell that? Well, sometimes if you look at it, you like that’s what I was trying to poorly because if they got those guys up there and you obviously can’t block those guys, right? Obviously they’re bringing more. You see veteran quarterbacks because you could you could keep them. You could some some quarterbacks like Cardell would tell me he would make the running back go out like if he seen like seven people about the blitz and he’d be like I tell the running back go fast out there. I’m going just hit you as soon as like boom just dump it off to you cuz they’re not going to check you. Well, that’s that’s the autonomy that that Jason is kind of talking about. And Tror said something he said something about the the hungry dogs or whatever. Like somebody asked him, “Hey man, I know you you developed that with Lardane and the hungry dogs.” He’s like, “Yo, I I don’t I don’t got that much juice. I can’t just be telling who going to be in the game. Whoever out there, whoever out there.” So, I do agree that there are some calls, I bet you they bring him in and he say, “No, don’t change nothing. Run it as is.” And then if they give him a couple of looks where he’s comfortable with that and say, “Okay, well, now you can re-engage that. Change it to whatever you going to do.” But I think it all comes down to him. I mean, because you know, you get the you get the little communication before the snap. you giving him the play and as he’s walking up I I think you can still talk to him and I don’t think it’s shut off for when they cut it. I don’t think it’s shut off by 15 in college. I thought it was 20 in the pros. I’ll double check. Yeah. Like if they give him they better give him to play quick and say and let hurry up and get him lined up and then say something to him before that communication go if they want him to check out or something. It’s 15 seconds college and pros. 15 seconds. So you get you get what’s it 25 second play clock. So you get 35 second play clock. It’ll be it’ll be fascinating because yeah, he should be able to get that get them out the huddle then line run them get him up there and then say hey look out watch out for this and then it’s going to probably shut off. Tommy Reese, what is this his second game calling plays? Third third game and but it’s his second quarterback calling plays. So chances are you could turn that game on and say what the heck is this? I didn’t see this. Oh, 100%. Like you might see a whole completely I don’t know what they running cuz you you got to they could break tendency in this game which is why you possibly can see some explosive plays because you could break Tennessee tendency in the first. The plays that Shadore likes and is comfortable with are probably much different than the plays Dylan likes. Definitely is comfortable with. All right, Mike. One last topic to get to. We’re going to pivot talk a little baseball because they got a new broadcast baseball. We’ll talk baseball broadcasting. It’s all kind of side. If you guys want more UCSS content, make sure you follow us on social media. There’s our X, our Instagram, and our Tik Tok handles. Hit that like button, hit the subscribe button. Also, if you want to be part of the weekly newsletter, you can see the number on your screen there, 2164351590. You can sign up for that. So, take advantage of all the UCSS content you don’t get from 11:01 daily on your social media channels and elsewhere across the interweb. All right, Jason, I need you to help us navigate these tumultuous waters because the Cleveland Guardians have a new broadcast home. They are now going to be on ESPN Plus for the upcoming season, no longer on MLB TV, which is where they were last year. ESPN spent $1.65 billion to get the local broadcast rights to six Major League Baseball teams that were previously under the FanDuel Valley Sports Network. It is now under the ESPN network. It’ll be the same broadcast team that we had last year and we had in the previous years with Matt Underwood, Dre not and those guys. But Jason, is this a good thing or a bad thing for fans that now ESPN is the rights holder for the local broadcast for the Guardians? I’ll tell you when they set the price. Yeah. What if if if you have So there’s six teams under the MLB umbrella. If if you get ESPN uh plus, you will have through that app free access to all those games. I slacked I was slacking with uh Andrew Marshan yesterday covers he does a media reporter for sports media reporter for us and he said I mean they’re still working out details on all this. He thinks it’ll be in the 20 to $30 a month range and it’ll probably be very similar. However you did it last year, you’ll probably be able to do it again or through ESPN, right? Because I I don’t think it’s going to be much change for consumers, for fans. I don’t think. I think it’s just a Will it be ESPN production? Like, will the score bug look like ESPN? I doubt it. Like, those ESPN Plus games don’t really look like, you know, when they Yeah, that’s true. So, I I I don’t have all the answers, but I think Prices never go down. I mean, they they don’t go down. No. So, we’ll find out. What did What did you What did fans have to pay? Because I just have Direct TV. Wasn’t it 99 last year for the whole season? 100 bucks for the whole year. It’ll probably It’ll probably go from that. Yeah. Yeah. It was 100 bucks for the whole year. Yeah. So, that’d be right. I had I had the whole Jason, hold on real quick. Becker just texted me and said they’ll still be on MLB TV in 26 while also streaming through ESPN. Did you hear that? That’s not what I read. Well, ML Yes. So, MLB TV is now owned by ES. ESPN bought the rights to MLB TV. So MLB TV, it’s it used to be called MLB Extra Innings is like NFL Sunday Ticket. Okay, now I’m now I’m getting it. Direct TV had Sunday Ticket. Now YouTube TV has it. MLB TV kind of used to be just out on its own through MLB. Now ESPN holds the rights to MLB Extra Innings or MLB TV. Uh but this is there’s kind of two separate entity entities here because the Guardians and five other teams are their games. They don’t have like a what’s the word I’m looking for? Not regional sports network. Regional Sports Network where these other teams do and you could still watch it through the MLB package. So this is Goofy. It’s the It’s the Guardians. It’s the uh Diamondbacks. Yeah. Are they still on FanDuel or are they all on ESPN? It’s the same. At least for me, it was the same channel you always watched them on, but there was no other programming. Like the channel was dark and then it would come up and there’s the game and then it went dark again, right? I think it’ll be the same. So for fan or you can get it through ESPN Plus, right? But it’s so early to know. But you know, is this a good deal or bad deal? We’ll find out when the pricing comes out. I’m confused about it all. So I got Fan Dus. So if I got FanDuel TV, well I still watch the Guardians. No, not on FanDuel TV. So you got to have ESPN plus. Yeah. Now you do either ESPN Plus or this. But so ML last year but so MLB TV what if I have if cuz I if you have M I So I had MLB TV but I had to watch the Guardians on fans on FUBU. Oh, Fubu had Fubu has but it’s not or I could have paid an extra an extra, you know, cuz otherwise it’s blacked out on Well, they said on YouTube they don’t this ain’t on YouTube TV. No, the YouTube TV does not have the Guardian song. Correct. That’s why I had So, I have YouTube TV for the football season for Sunday and then I switch it to to Fubu for the So, now you’re not going to Fubu. Fubo? I won’t have to. No, I’ll just buy MLB TV. What about Cavs? Where do you get Cavs? FanDuel FanDuel is FanDuel. Fan FanDuel’s not on YouTube, is it? No, I haven’t been able to watch every game. I mo most of their good games are on ESPN, you know, all these. I can watch ESPN. I can watch TNT. I can watch I have PE uh or Peacock. I have I tell you what, all these other things. I know somebody for a small fee. Oh yeah. Come get you together. You get everything. I know. I got to get I got allegedly allegedly. See, listen. We know self snitching. A couple couple other notes for baseball fans and I know we have no hope or no thoughts that the Guardian’s going to do anything significant. I understand that. Uh today, this week is an interesting week in baseball because guys had to decide on their qualifying offers earlier in the week. You’re seeing minor leaguers get called up. The Guardians called a couple of guys up. Well, technically they didn’t get called up, but they were added to the 40man roster to be protected from the rule five draft. Uh, and tomorrow is the last day to non-tender a player. So, uh, you know, a player like, um, I was going to say Ben Lively, but they already let him go. Uh, Cal a couple years ago, Quantrol Quant, that’s how they lost, right? Tomorrow’s the deadline for that. So, you will often see a lot of trades this week. usually minor deals of guys like a guy that a team one team wants to get off their 40man roster, another team has a spot. We’ve seen some I mean that there was a significant trade between the Angels and Orioles this week. There was a trade last night, not as big between the Braves and the the the A’s. What was that? Or the Astros. Nick Allen for Mauricio Duban. Not a huge trade, but two major leaguers. Were you shocked to see Naylor’s contract? No, I thought that was I still haven’t seen the money. I think it’s four for or five for 80 something. Less than 20 million a year. I mean, that’s reasonable. That’s about what I always thought he was going to get. And that’s why if you’re Quan, like you’re not getting I mean, you’re younger than Naylor and you’re a good defensive player, but you’re not the hitter that he is. Naylor I think the trade out of Cleveland was a little bit of a wakeup call for him because he lost a lot of weight. He lost Well, he was great last year. He looks like a totally different player than he was his last year in Cleveland. Yeah. And good for him. Good spot. They like him there. It’s a good team. Good lineup. Um, unbelievably, I don’t know how true this is, but supposedly the Pirates of all teams are in on Kyle Schwarber, which is crazy. They have to they have to spend a certain amount. They went through that. Yeah, they went through that last year when Or was it the Marlins? Something went through that. They have to spend. There’s something about at the bottom where if you’re I’d have to look it up. And you don’t get revenue sharing money. Something about it. All these weird rules, but but Kyle Schwarber is a lot of money. Yeah. I mean, maybe not a long, not a lot of years, but that’s a lot of money per year. You think he will go there and lose? No, cuz somebody else will offer him more money. It’s not like it’s his hometown. Like, if he went to Cincinnati, I could see it cuz that’s his hometown. But, uh, Cincinnati ain’t paying nothing. Well, they going the Pirates and us. Pirates haven’t paid a dollar. They got You think Do you think they should extend Ellie Dela Cruz? I mean, yeah, of course. You think so? I don’t know, man. I feel like his hit numbers just kind of went down. Second year. Listen, it’s not basketball where once guys are good, they’re good. In baseball, there’s es and flows to careers. It happens. But he is uh he is as talented as almost any player in the league. I would They might be out of time on signing him. Can we check Can we check the batteries in Ty? Tyus is this is this Tyus here. This this new Tyus is wild. Getting calls from some crazy Reds fans on the radio. Tyus Tyus Tyus. He had his highest career batting average this year and an OPS that was just slightly lower than it was last year. No, it was a it was a time where he’s flaws in his game, but I’m not saying he’s perfect, but he wasn’t even getting on base for like a it was like a streak of it last year. I’m not pretending I think about moving positions with him. I think he might be an outfielder down the line. I He’s like so big. I don’t know. We’ll we’ll we’ll see what happens with him. He’s literally 23 years old. Like think Yeah, he’s a young player. I would 100% look to lock him up, but they say they say he going to the Dodgers. So they can’t Dodgers can’t take everybody. They might. They could. Yes, they could. Dude, you know, listen, everybody talks about the payroll with the Dodgers, and I get it. But the Dodgers are there’s a lot of other teams with big payrolls that don’t win like the Dodgers. The Mets. Yeah. You know why? Because the Dodgers, if the Dodgers have done what really nobody else has been able to do is they spend like crazy and they’re run very smart. Well, the Yankees in the 90s were like that. They had a great farm system and they spent a ton. I mean, Rivera, Pada, Jeter, they kept their they didn’t go crazy in but they were all homegrown, right? They didn’t go crazy in free agency. The money disparity wasn’t as big then as it is now. And now like the Mets and Yankees got crazy payrolls, but their teams aren’t crazy good because they spend stupidly and they honestly haven’t drafted well. Yeah. Whereas not only do the Dodgers spend money, but they’re also great at drafting. They’re great at developing. They’re great at everything. They’re not going to get credit for that cuz their payroll is high. And I get it. And listen, as good as they were, they weren’t an abnormally dominant team this year. No. And and the Blue Jays are right. The Blue Jays were two os away from winning. They were they were half second away from winning. Yeah, that’s I I really wanted the Blue Jays to win, but uh I heard the Blue Jays are are hot on Kyle Tucker, which would be they already had a good lineup. My god, if they had him Well, they keep Bette, too, or they lose Bette. They’re going to lose him. He’s going somewhere else. They’ll probably slide him over to short. Yeah, he’s going to play short. All right, before we get to super chats, we got a tweet during the beginning of today’s show that I’ve been saving. It’s from Dog Chomps. And Steve, if you would like to take Tagboard full here, please. Oh, from dog chops. Oh my lord. Oh, bro. This is crazy work. You do look like a You look like B-ra off of I know. When I That’s hysterical. But when I did that, when I I was like probably 50 lbs lighter, too. So, I’m telling you, I That is hilarious and disturbing. No, this is AI. I was about to What did he do to my What did he do to my teeth? You got a grill. Oh my god. Hey, you look like Paul Wall. Awesome. That’d be disturbing if that’s hysterical. That’s shout out to dog Johnson for sending shout out. Shout out. Appreciate all the fans using chat GPT whatever they can. Maximize. I might go home looking that way. Wow. I like that. All right. Hey, listen. Jason’s going to Vegas coming back on a red eye. What happens in Vegas may comes back like that. I mean, just imagine. Hold on. Hold on. What happened? Hold on. New one. Somebody else created something else. Wait a minute. Wait for it. All right. Now we’re good. Steve, just for people like right there. Like listen, you got to have him in a throwback jersey on. He got that He got that button up on like But that dude, by the way, that for you got to understand to tie a do-rag that crispy. You out of time. What to like to to not have no like different creases and it and the wrap is completely in the front. You know what kind of skill set you got? I didn’t know there was an art to it. Speaking of that, yeah, yesterday after the game, Cavs game, Naquin Tomlin wears a do-agg when he’s not playing all the time. He tied his do-rag while talking to like seven people, walking back and forth. He walked over to Jared Allen to talk about the dunk. And G, to your point, and now I’ve never worn a do-rag, but I’ve had enough teammates who talked about the art of tying a do-agg. Yeah. Yo yo, knowing what goes into it to get it right, and seeing him do it while multitasking seven different ways may be more impressive than anything he did on the court last night. Shout out to Nquon. Shout out to him. By the way, it’s a it’s a it’s a lost art. You know what I’m saying? You got to put it on. You be walking. You could tie it. And you know what I’m saying? Here’s the thing. Now, do make sure you pull it tight. Do do your Now, here’s another thing. Do your daughters wrap their hair at night? My oldest does when my wife uses the flat iron. Yes. Right. My old My youngest does not cuz she rocks. Yeah. She ain’t she ain’t she ain’t old enough to have her hair down like that. All right. Now, wait a minute. What do you mean by rap? The little Because my kids wear them. They look like mushroom clouds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My kids wear them to bed. You got to wrap so your hair don’t your hair don’t mess. Why? It says it helps his curls. Yep. So he doesn’t wake up with crazy bed head. Hey, he is a G, man. Listen, bro. He got He got to have funny. Get you a little bonnet, man. Listen, man. It’s a It’s People don’t understand it. There’s a there’s something that needs to be like the smell of a flat iron on Saturday morning is different because you know like you just it’s just like you get up your mom tell you to go clean the house. Your cousin is sitting there. She getting her hair flat iron. That flat iron is hot. You better not move. You be like, “Oh, you might hit your ears.” It’s just it’s just it’s just a ritual. If you know, you know, man. Shout out to the chat. If you know, you know. And your son, by the way, cuz he’s a he a monster. Yeah. All right, let’s get to super chat. Super chats. Uh Steve just texted us asking if I got an update on my colorblind friend. Uh yesterday’s Wednesday. I thought it was Thursday. Tonight’s Thursday. I’ll find out tonight. So, I’ll have an update for you guys tomorrow morning on the show. Yeah. If he’s not colorblind or there’s some other condition, if it’s just a preference for him, then you should never wear pennies even in the original game. So, funny enough, another guy in the group chat who is part of the regular Thursday crew, really, really good basketball player, listened to it and said, “Well, I am color blind. and I don’t care about pennies. So, we may actually have a a colorblind gate here. So, we’ll get you an answer tomorrow officially. Blowing up the penny situation. Had my uh had my days mixed up. First super chat comes from James May said, “Mikey, do you know when Dylan got hurt?” I can’t find it. Yes, we do. He got hurt on the read option play where he kept it. Yeah, when he fumbled. Yeah. Well, was it a fumble? They called He got up hold his head. He was kind of a giveaway. Yeah, right before the end. Last play of the half right there. No, he stayed in for third down. Yeah, that read option. I’m like, don’t run that no more. smoked on that. Zack and I called it as soon as Yeah. As soon as he got hit, I’m like, “Man, you got let up.” He ran to the left sideline, got stuffed, the Ravens ended up stripping it out, it went out of bounds. That was the play. Uh Jeff Bookshelf says, “We need this panel more. It’s my favorite every week.” Ah, it’s a great panel. I do very much enjoy this. We don’t do this panel often because No, Tyus mostly works Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Jason mostly works Mondays, Fridays, so they don’t usually cross over. Dustin, I miss you, buddy. Good to see you. I haven’t seen you. Uh Dustin needed a switch. Yeah. So Dustin’s in tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead. Drama City Cle says 15 games in. Time to evaluate. Moy needs to wake up. I don’t know if you could wake that up. You got He’s a really good player. Like that’s getting that’s getting stomped on here. Is he going to be what? No. Some of us thought he could be or hoped that he would be. Maybe not. He’s still a really good player. I don’t think anybody’s arguing that he’s not a really good player. I think he’s getting trashed quite a bit because our expectations have been raised by the likes of you and Mike. Yeah. Well, and that’s fair. And you two are supposed to be the basketball afficionados around here. Well, and again, he did take a leap that a lot of people didn’t think he was capable of taking last year. So, I don’t know. We’ll see. I should listen to Jeff Chadelle. He told me that Moy wasn’t any good. Okay. Cavs in Jeff Strays. James Mace. I think that 150 start last year messed up the evaluation of this team. He also says, “When the time comes, who would you trade, Darius or Evan?” You get more for Evan. I’ Yeah. So, I’d trade Evan. Uh, I’d like to trade him both. I would trade Darius. You get more for Evan, though. No, I would trade Darius. I All right. Well, Darius got the injury concern, so Hey, man. You you you don’t know what you know, Jason Law. You did trade. What you know? I’ve answered the question. Well, that was a Jason Lloyd. That was a secret background info. I was like, “Huh, I got to figure this out.” I mean, you would definitely get more for Evan. Yeah. Would you rather trade a younger defensive player of the year without an injury history or an undersized point guard? You trying to get more or you trying to win? I But I don’t get anything. I don’t know what you can get for Darius. Well, they’ve got you said earlier about changes. There will be changes this summer if they don’t make like they have to. And I was talking to Mike about this last night. I I kept saying they could be a second apron team this year and next year they’ve got two years. And the more I keep talking to people, they’re like, you really kind of want to get out of that apron after one year. You got because you get two bites at the apple in a 5year period. And I don’t want to get all nerded out on contract, but they’re going to have to they’re going to have to try and cut salary. And Moy went a defensive player of the year last year really screwed them. Like it was great for him. It really kind of screwed their book. AK aka Jared and Darius. Enjoy them. This is it. By the way, it’s so dumb. The NBA is so dumb. The last ride, you know, this, you know, the last dance. This it it would they win it all. They got to win it all. Why would you penalize a team for a player being good? You should give them the raise and it shouldn’t count against the cap. But the escalator that he gets for winning defensive player of the year leaps him into an even higher, right? And I’m saying those escalators, that extra money he gets should count against the C. I don’t necessarily disagree with you. Here’s what happened, Bull. Yeah. When they was super teaming up, this was the code. This This was always going to happen. Blame LeBron. When when you got 10 people and at the end of every trade deadline, everybody was like, “Yeah, buy me out so I could go play for so and so. Buy me out so I” I’m like, “Dang, the Warriors got everybody.” The Celtics play got everybody. Is it LeBron? LeBron. Is it LeBron’s fault or is it the Celtics fault? Celtics? Nah. For the the Ray Gard. No. Come I mean, LeBron gets blamed for everything. Everything is LeBron’s fault. And he gets credit for everything, too. And he gets love for everything. No, I think he gets a lot more hate than he does. Oh, no. He get more hate in the media. Yeah, he gets way more ass in the media. In the media gets way more ass kissing. Hey, but I mean, but you flip-flopped on You flip-flopped on him. I did flip-flop on him. Yeah. What you mean? You flip-fpped on him. Yeah. I just realized one day I was like, “Oh, this is insane.” And I’m saying LeBron’s better than Jordan. This is crazy. This is crazy I’ve ever seen. Next super chat. Brody’s bottom line says it’s November 20th. The Cavs are missing players. Still third in the East and they blew out Detroit when they played earlier this year. By the way, to be fair, I flip-flopped twice because years ago, before I even gave it to you, I thought Kobe was better than LeBron, which was obviously wrong. But and when I was younger, I thought that Michael Bis says, “Would you rather have Ohio State’s receiver room or the Browns?” That’s easy. That’s a serious question. That’s a rhetorical question that we not even know answer. Like the whole idea, you know, the answer to that. The whole idea that a college team would beat a pro team is absurd, but I would take Ohio State position group. Yes. Straight up. No doubt. I might take their offense. Bottom line says if Houston doesn’t get a true point guard, they won’t get out of the first round of the playoffs. Oh, come on now. Stop. That is a fair question to ask. No, no, no. Could would the Browns offense Oh, I thought you about to say no. I was thinking about what he said. Is the Is Ohio State’s offense better than the Browns offense? Yes. Yes. It’s hard to say it because it’s it’s but I mean it’s a So you’re saying Julian Seyan is going to be better in the pros than Shador. I mean but it comes with Jeremiah Smith and about the other pieces. How many of Ohio State offensive linemen are legit starters in the NFL? I’m guessing one of them two of them could start for us. I mean they got they had two first rounders last year. Donovan Jackson last year doesn’t matter. I’m talking about currently now. Right now currently I might have to take Are there tackles if if you took Ohio State’s two the tackles are not in any of the like top 100 prospect. Okay. So are were they young or they what year are they? One was a transfer regist I’m not going to disrespect the the the I’m not going to disrespect the middle dudes or the tight ends or whatever. Yeah. Like let’s be clear. But we’ll just stick with the wide receiver. It’s closer than than it should be than it should be. Say that. Well, you’re talking about the worst offense in the NFL and the best team in the in Yeah, they might be disrespectful. Now, the the Browns would beat Ohio State. They’d smoke them because special defense. Yeah. Yeah. Smoke. They wouldn’t know what to do. How many sacks would Miles Gar be on disability at the end of the game? Carson, they would they couldn’t run the ball. They wouldn’t be able to do nothing. No, no, nothing. All right, next super chat. Trisy in the Money says, “Tyus and G, did you guys notice the deep out to Fannon was the same play DG didn’t throw the deep post to Bond? Just a four-man route versus a twoman route.” I didn’t notice that. The out to the out to Fannon. You mean the one that that he kind of like he dropped it? I’m not sure what he’s talking about. Yeah, he threw Remember he threw he threw it out to Fannon, but then backside we said, “Hey, if he could have got to bond, remember?” Yeah, I do remember that. But I I He didn’t have time to get to Bond. that wasn’t going to happen. Benny Kingwood says, “Kurt Warner released a film breakdown of Shadore. Although he had valid criticism, he said Shador overall had a good game and really was more critical of the scheme than any players. It was very telling. I watched some of it. I watched some war. It was like 40 minutes. I don’t watch the whole thing.” Um, look, this is a terrible offense. Like, he has no help around him. Same thing we’ve been saying all year. All year. I got the Browns gonna draft Caleb DS with the fourth. That’s crazy. That is so cool. Couple couple more real quick. DV Dog says Miles has 15 sacks but only 13 holding calls against him. Is he under the shack effect where you could call it every time? Probably. Oh yeah. Oh, for sure. Flag every game. I don’t think I don’t think the referees are consciously not calling. Sometimes he’s so quick people can’t even get their hands on. You know, you know what? Actually, I like what drove me crazy about Miles was all of his offsides calls. And he’s only had I think I feel like he’s cut it down to two. He has. And it’s like, dude, you’re so quick. You don’t need the jump. Like, why are you giving him five? It used to drive me nuts, but he’s only had like one or two. Yeah. Eddie Everheart says, “Tyus looks like Cavs era Dwayne Wade with his hair.” Kind of. Yeah, you’re right. Yeah. Yeah, that’s a good combo. That’s a very good. I don’t even remember what Dwayne. That’s a very good one. Let me go look. Good one. Eddie, we were talking this morning. We should do the doubleganger. Remember like yo, I still think you’re Warren Sap. You said Byron Leidge. I think No, he looks way more like Byron Le if I don’t have facial hair. Take those glasses off. He’s We at the start of the show was Warren Sap when we first launched the funny eyes. I look like this. Yes, that’s that. Yes, I look like that bull. Uh, Benny Kingwood, shout out to G and Tyus. Kurt was calling out the same things you did in your film review. Learned a lot. Kro says, “Is Miles better this year due to better defensive tackle play?” We talked about that the other day. Yeah, that certainly plays a role. He’s It’s the best talent he’s ever had around because because when they get penetration, it’s like they have to run somewhere and he run he you know, you can’t run outside. So, uh, James May says Justin Jefferson had a good game against us as well. Yeah, Justin, he bottom. I got two more real quick then we could discuss. Bro’s bottom line said Browns are scoring 25. The Raiders stink and are playing on a short week. And Derek Waldmiller says what’s more likely guys, the Browns offense scores 20 or Miles gets five sacks to put him at 20 for the season. Man, five sacks twice is Yeah, I I got the fact that we are even thinking about it. I’m going to go with the Browns score. I’ll say the Browns score 20. The fact that we even considered it for a moment is tells you how pathetic the Browns off. Yeah. You can’t just do Yeah. Like come on, man. That’s crazy. He look like the Wade Wade with hair. Right there. Right there. Look at that. Look at that. Same slot, same joint. I don’t look nothing like that. Yep. Mhm. Does Does anybody watch uh Cobra Kai? Anybody? I watched everything up until the final season and I haven’t been able to get into Remember the kid who um Johnny’s son takes under his wing? Yeah. Black kid. Yeah. little little guy. He looks like he’d be Tyus’ kid, doesn’t he? He’s just passing kids off to him. Yeah. Okay. I mean, like they I could see a resemblance. Now you’re not buying it. I don’t even know what he looks like. I’ll show you later. I’ll show you later. Bull thinks all black people look alike. Yep. You do. That is That was basically what he said in the chat. That’s was in the chat. I was like, I do not look like him at all, bro. Like I what I said and I was obviously I was mostly joking around. That’s why we always get crimes. It was him. I said that if you sm He 510 I’m 6’5. Nah, bro. That was you. It was you. I said if you smash G. Bush in the face with a frying pan to like smush his face, he look a little like Thomas Bryant. That’s crazy. That You see what I’m saying? That’s how we be in our lineups. It was him. I [Music] Oh, shoot. [Music] Heat. Heat.

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