TRADE ASSET ASSESSMENT: Giants POTENTIALLY have enough for Tarik Skubal | Heliot Ramos VALUE

TRADE ASSET ASSESSMENT: Giants POTENTIALLY have enough for Tarik Skubal | Heliot Ramos VALUE

We are discussing whether or not the Giants should be in on Tar Scuboo and what they’re saying around the league if the Giants could be in on Tar Skoo. What that trade cost would even look like on locked on Giants. You are Locked On Giants, your daily San Francisco Giants podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. What’s up y’all? I’m Alan Styles and welcome to Locked On Giants, part of the Locked On podcast network, now the number one sports podcast network. On the show, we provide daily episodes Monday through Friday talking about the San Francisco Giants in a way that combines passion analytics with the eye test and a little bit of fun. I’m from the Bay Area, but I live in Sacramento now, and I host a show on Sacktown Sports, the Allen Style Show, as well as MCing Sacramento Rivercats games. All in all, I’m lucky enough to cover a team I’ve been a fan of all my life. Today we are discussing whether or not the Giants should be in on Tar Skoo and what they’re saying around the league if the Giants could be in on Tar Scooble, what that trade cost would even look like. Also, Elliot Ramos and whether or not he should be in the trade conversation in general, and last but not least, some minor league moves. The Giants sign someone they would like to find as a hidden gem. Today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you’ll get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. Download the app today. So, there are a lot of conversations being had about Tar Scubble, and this just uh popped up this morning fresh off the press from ESPN. This is uh from Kylie McDaniel of ESPN and basically they are laying out the three options for the Tigers and what they should do with Tar Scuboo who is I guess from the Bay Area even though he didn’t grow up in the Bay Area. We can try to claim him if that’s going to help get this thing done. Obviously if you sign or if you trade for him you would then have to sign him to a lot of money. But I’m going to lay out what Kylie uh kind of goes through as the options for the Tigers as they talked to a couple different GMs around the league and what they would do. So it was pretty interesting that they did it that way or at least people within front offices. So the first option for the Tigers is pretty simple. It’s to trade Tar Scubble. This was the least popular option among the panel and one rival executive explained why. The whole reason you do all this is to start the season with the potential contender that has an ace. You can’t throw away that before the season starts. How long will it take to get there again? Uh the second option that Kylie brought up is keep Scooble but trade him at the deadline if the season doesn’t go as planned in the event things go sideways during the first half of the season in 2026. Everyone on the panel agreed that this was the right move. Defining what going sideways means was the expanded playoffs is hard, but battling for a wild card spot around the trade deadline was where the gray area began for uh our panelists. You cannot under any circumstance holdable through the trade deadline and miss the playoffs. That would be a catastrophe. That was one agent. So yeah, just to just to clear it up, he says with the Tigers, president of baseball operation Scott Harris facing a decision that will shape the future. We talked with 11 industry insiders, so not GMs, industry insiders about what Detroit should do this offseason. So, we’ve been through the first two, trade Scoo this winter. The second one, keep school, but trade him at the deadline if the season doesn’t go as planned. And the third option, keep school no matter what. Try to extend him and take the draft pick if he ends up leaving. This would be a bold move in the era of asset value focused approach that so many teams are taking now. If Scooble were to walk in free agency, the compensation would likely be a draft pick in the 30s the following summer and that’s it. That type of pick is valued at roughly eight to 10 million dollars of surplus value depending on your source. There is more value that would come before that for Detroit, but it’s hard to quantify. The Tigers would get another title run with the reigning back-to-back Alsai Young winner and more time to convince him to stay in Detroit. Maybe that combination could make magic and both sides could land on a deal before he hits free agency. Scubble has said he wants to stay in Detroit, so you can’t rule it out. Another rival executive thinks Harris is focused on how to make this happen. He will never believe he can’t sign Scooble. But the issue is, and tell me if you’ve heard this before, that being said, Scoo is being represented by Scott Boris, and it makes it unlikely he will sign a deal without at least testing the market, as Boris typically advises clients to hit free agency. So, it’s just going to come down to what the Tigers are willing to pay. and he could even be the first $400 million pitcher. What the Tigers are willing to pay, what other teams are willing to pay. And let’s bring it all the way back to the Giants. If they were to even be a part of this trade, I’m not sure where the assets even start. You could say goodbye to Bryce Eldridge. You could say goodbye to Elliot Ramos. You could say goodbye to Joe Suir Gonzalez. If you could say goodbye to anyone of note from a large standpoint or from a a larger league standpoint, not just the top 30 that we’re talking about. Every league or every team has a top 30. That doesn’t mean your top 30 is valued that highly, right? It depends. So, we’re talking about anybody who’s anybody in the Giants organization and a couple position players. then you’d have to pay tar scubble, but at that point obviously you would want to. Yeah, I lean closer to thinking that the Giants don’t even have the assets to get this done rather than the the option that they do. But if they did, I mean, we’re talking about really accelerating the thought process and really accelerating the expectations for a first time. And I know just to be clear, yes, pitching coach in the minor leagues. He was a bullpen coach in the majors, but first time big league pitching coach that you just hired, first time MLB manager that you just hired. Those expectations would be through the roof. So there’s two ways to look at it. You could look at it, and we’re in the we’re talking about the Bay Area, so we’ll stay there. Like Steve Kerr, Steve Kerr was given the keys to a really good situation. Some people said, “Well, Mark Jackson kind of built that thing.” A lot of other people said Mark Jackson took that as far as he could and Steve Kerr is who got it over the hump and you know learned to get Steph and Clay in different positions and Draymond and things like that and kind of re revolutionize what they were doing. So there’s the Steve Kerr part of it and then there is the Steve Nash part of it and Steve Nash was the head coach out there in Brooklyn when it was Kevin Durant when Kevin Durant left the Warriors. Kevin Durant, James Hard, and Kyrie Irving. You have two similar situations because they were brand new head coaches and firsttime coaches in the league. And one worked and one didn’t. And they both had a high level of talent. Obviously, the Nets were more so cobbled together. The Warriors were on their way up and had more of a cohesive group. But those are two examples. and you would put Tony Bello in a really really uh I don’t think tough is the right word, but it would just be a confusing spot because if you got Tar Scubel, I mean obviously the Giants would be one of the favorites to come out of the West. I don’t know that they would be the favorite. It might still it would it would still be the Dodgers, but they would fly up the boards just based on having Tar Scubal. I mean, you’d have Logan Webb, Robbie Ray, Tar Scubble, and then at that point, do you go get a Sherzer and a Verlander and you got Landon RP? I mean, that would be one of the best rotations in the league by far. So, those expectations would be through the roof, right? You you’d have to make the playoffs immediately. Then you’re going to pay this guy possibly $400 million, hopefully less, but we know how Scott Boris gets down. So, I don’t think the Giants have the assets to do it. They’re definitely going to send a call out to Detroit. I can tell you that because that’s just due diligence, right? They’re going to send a call out to Detroit, see what it’s looking like, see what the appetite is because this is a similar situation to me like the Angels and Otani. And the Angels, they decided to not trade Otani to try to convince him to stay. And we all knew that he wasn’t going to stay, but they felt like it was something they owed to their fan base to do. And that’s the direction that they wanted to go in. With the Tigers, I don’t know if they feel the same way. They could say, “Hey, we have a playoff team out here and we’re going to lose Scooble, but you know, we still have a lot of good pieces.” And I don’t know what’s going to happen with Gabber Torres, but they got a couple guys that are, you know, moving and grooving, but they could say, “Hey, we’ve made the playoffs. We feel like we can continue to do this even if we move off of Tar Skubble. So, that’s the direction we’re going to go. And we’re building for our future. We’re going to also get some guys back to help our pre our present roster. So, I I think that dealing with Scott Boris, unless you’re ready to really open up your wallet and pull out the platinum or black card, you’re probably going to think about moving him if you’re Detroit. As far as the Giants are concerned, I don’t know if they have the assets. I don’t even know what a trade like this looks like because the Angels did not trade Otani, or else we would have. That would have been a good a decent comp. Not the same because it’s Otani, but it would have been a decent comp. And we could have, you know, used that to compare, but we don’t even have that right now. So whether or not the Giants should be in on Tark Scubble, I think they should be in on everyone. I don’t think they have the assets, and you’re just now building up your farm system. Do you want to sell it all? When I believe the Giants think specifically in the ballpark that they play in, they can get it done in a different way, which is why they keep trying to tell us we ain’t going to pay $100 million or whatever for a pitcher. I can tell you that I don’t necessarily believe that they’ll pay that much. But on the other end, I don’t know if they are going to want to pay Taroo, Tarco money. I might believe him. I might believe them there. So somewhere in the middle. On the other side, we know someone that would definitely be gone in that deal, and that’s Elliot Ramos. But should he be gone in any other sort of deal? Let’s talk trading Elliot Ramos, and let’s discuss his season when we return. More lockdown Giants coming up. The NBA is back and there’s no better place to get in on the action than FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Even if you miss the start of the game or want to ride the hot hand, FanDuel has live bets on everything from who will score next to fourth quarter comebacks. Plus, you can even combine your live bets into a same game parlay for a shot at a bigger payout. It keeps every game exciting, especially when your team’s making that late push. Right now, FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. So, head to fanduel.com to sign up and play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Let’s talk about Elliot Ramos and what to do with the left fielder who bursts onto the scene. I think that Elliot Ramos might be one of the more polarizing players on the team. A lot of y’all really don’t like Elliot Ramos. And I think Elliot Ramos can hit. I think he’s a pretty good hitter. I just think unfortunately that’s all he can do. And my gripe, if you will, with Elliot Ramos, I know the base running blunders, people hate base running blunders, so I get all that. But my gripe is really trying to diagnose who Elliot Ramos is as a hitter. That’s that’s kind of the tough thing for me. But I mean, he hit 21 home runs and Oracle Park is his home park, right? He had a 1.2 war, 620 at bats, 159 hits. He had a batting average of 256 for those of you who still care about that. I tend to. 85 runs, 69 RBI’s, six stolen bases, 328 on base percentage, 400 slugging, a 728 OPS, and a 108 OPS plus. Compared to his All-Star season, yeah, I mean, he he dropped a little bit. He was at 269 in his all-star year. He ended at 256. Like I mentioned, his on base percentage was higher by six ten of a point uh this past season. and or that even might be hundreds of a point. His slugging went down as well. He was at 469 and he was at 400 this past season. So obviously his OPS took a bit of a hit. So I I feel you on that, but and and obviously I guess I’m bury in the lead. It’s the it’s the fielding is also an issue, but I do think he has a decent bit of value. And I do think the problem is you cannot hide him anywhere because you have other issues uh in the outfield, right? And if you had an elite center fielder, this is not a Jung-H dig, but if you did have an elite center fielder, maybe some of that would get covered up a little bit. And if you had a a lineup that was more diverse in stealing bases and doing other things that uh might not put as much onto Elliot Ramos and he could just hit just get in there and hit. And the other thing he’s a bigger dude. I mean I think he could play first base on a team, right? On an MLB team. The problem is you’re not going to do that on the Giants. He’s not going to DH on the Giants. So that’s part of the issue with Elliot Ramos. It’s him, but it’s also his situation. This is from Josh Lewis from Around the Fog Horn. He laid out five giants that could be traded this off season. After bursting onto the scene in 2024, Ramos took a significant step back in 2025 while still showing flashes at the plate of what earned him an all-star nod last season. Ramos struggled mightily both in the field, a minus eight in defensive run saved, and on the base pass, multiple highlight reel level mental errors. Ramos’s bat, like most of the team, was also incredibly inconsistent, seeing a fall of 64 OPS points from last season. He can still show the pop that earned him over 20 home runs for the second season in a row. And another team could take the chance that he regains his all-star form if the Giants decide to resume their almost two decade long revolving door in left field. And like I said, he did what he did at Oracle Park. I think that matters. And I think fit matters as well. As Josh lays out, there were a lot of inconsistent bats. So, you have a bunch of inconsistent bats and you’re going to want somebody to show that consistency. I’ll tell you this, just from the naked eye, just the eye test, it did feel like Ramos was the one guy that was getting knocks and getting on base on on all these different stretches that the Giants had where just nobody could hit. I would look up and Elliot Ramos was getting a knock. Now, here’s the thing. He was getting singles. It felt like there were a lot of singles. You don’t steal bases. You know, you’re not really going gap to gap. We talked about the OPS dropping. So, that was the my conundrum with Elliot Ramos. He was doing good things, but when it comes to who he’s going to be on this team and what the team needed, it just didn’t feel like there was a lot of impact. Right. I don’t want to say empty calories, but I do feel like that is where I’m landing with Elliot Ramos. It was a lot of empty calories this past season. And I don’t necessarily know that it’s his fault, but those 21 home runs off the top of my head trying to remember, you know, and I’m being nitpicky here, where they came and, you know, what type of value that they shared. Yeah, I did feel like Elliot Ramos didn’t have a ton of moments, which is why I think a lot of you would be more than happy to move off of him. The numbers say that he didn’t have a bad year, but just from what you watched and what sticks out in your mind, the blunders in the outfield on the base pads, you’ll probably trade. not to speak for you, whoever you whoever is listening or watching right now, but that’s just the vibe that I feel like from the Giants fan base. I do think he brings some sort of value. I could see him being part of a trade to get a solid reliever. We’re not really talking about a starter unless it’s a a backend starter and obviously you’d be giving up more. Hey, we want to We talked about the Hunter Green thing, but Elliot Ramos would be your MLB ready bat, right? Where’s his value there? I think you would still have to move off of probably a top five prospect and and more to go get a Hunter Green if you wanted to do that. I think you could probably do it without moving Bryce Eldridge, but you’d be moving a lot of other things. And Elliot Ramos would for sure be a part of a deal like that. But I think Elliot Ramos gets a bit of a bad rap. As you can tell, he’s kind of confusing in how he plays the game and who he is. He’s just kind of there to get hits, right? and and hit 20 home runs even though it doesn’t feel like he hits 20 home runs. If you get him in a different ballpark, I’ll tell you this much. If you get him and no disrespect to Cincinnati, but they call Great American Ballpark, Great American Small Park. If you got him in Cincinnati, though, he’s probably hitting 30 home runs, I think. So, he hit 21 with his home base as Oracle Park. If you got him to Cincinnati or, you know, I don’t want to say Colorado because that’s a copout, but if you got him to Cincinnati or any of these fields that are more conducive to hitting, I think you could have something there, right? He could be a nice five, six hitter for you. It’s just with the Giants right now, you kind of are paying for your beef. He’s doing the leadoff thing. I’m I’m more old school when it comes to the leadoff hitter. He doesn’t really strike me as a leadoff hitter. They just don’t really know where to put him. So, I think he could bring some value to another team for sure, but you’d have to send much more if it were for a bigger name Hunter Green. I would look at Elliot Ramos in a deal for a reliever. Uh, something like that. Speaking of relievers, the Giants feel like they found a hidden gem and a former minor league all-star with who they just picked up. We’ll tell you who it is and break down what to expect in the last segment of Locked on Giants. Thank you for making Locked On Giants your first listen of the day and thank you for making Locked On the number one sports podcast network. So, the Giants continue to make some shrewd minor league moves that could become major and sooner than you know it. And most recently, they have signed Wilin Ramos. He is 6’5, big boy. He just turned 25 and they’re looking at him to be a hidden gem type of acquisition. And I’ll tell you why. This is from Chase Ford. The San Francisco Giants have signed right-handed pitcher Wilin Ramos to a minor league deal with an invitation to major league spring training. Ramos has a 322 RA along with 322. That’s kind of funny. 322 in both 322 strikeouts during his minor league career. He also made the Eastern League All-Star team this past season with the Altuna Curve. Ramos, and this is part of the ride up with them. Ramos, who originally signed with the Athletics as an international free agent in 2017, first joined the Pirates organization in 2018 to complete the trade of pitcher Tanner Anderson. Ramos was selected by the Mets from the Pirates in the minor league phase of the rule five draft following the 2022 season but resigned with the Pittsburgh Pirates. This is from our guy Jeff Young. Wilin Ramos had a 264 erra in 47 appearances split between two levels for the Pirates organization in 2025. Ramos relies on a mid90s sinker and high n high70s sweeper. Ramos does a great job of keeping the ball on the ground, which is why I think the Giants were interested, and has only allowed 10 home runs in seven minor league baseball seasons, which is crazy. That’s crazy because some of these ballparks, I was just making fun of Cincinnati. Some of these ballparks, the ball flies out of them. So, only 10 home runs in seven minor league seasons. That’s that’s really incredible. I have this from his time in Triple A. Not a ton of action, but in total, he has a 594 ERA, so we’ll see what he has been assigned to the Sacramento Rivercats. So, I’ll get a close look at him and we will see what he can do. Obviously, he’s got that invitation to major league spring training. The Giants, I really like this. I know it’s a minor league deal quite literally, but I like that the Giants have a type. I like that the Giants are deciding they have a type. You know, me and my wife, we’ll watch Love Island, right? We’ll watch the Bachelor from time to time. And does this person check your boxes? As trivial as it sounds. And sometimes you have somebody that doesn’t check your boxes and it still works out. But you have certain boxes. He’s got to be this tall. He’s got to be funny. He’s got to look like this. Whatever it is. And the Giants are starting to figure out what their type is. They like a guy that is going to keep the ball on the ground. They like a guy that’s going to limit the amount of home runs and they can take advantage of their ballpark because you can catch Oracle on certain days, right? I mean, it’s only 309. You got to get it up to to splash hit it or even get it out of right field. But the left the the left field side of the field, there can be some jetream. So, you can make a mistake and get burned by some righties or some strong lefties. We’ve seen Rafie Des do it from the left side. So, make no mistake about it, it’s tough to hit at Oracle Park because of honestly it’s more so that center field triples alley type deal. But if you get it on the corners or, you know, even closer to the corners, you can find some jetream. So, the Giants know that if you mess around and leave the ball up, yeah, this is still the major leagues and somebody somebody can run into something more often than not. So, they know they want to bring in a guy and bring in guys that are going to keep the ball on the ground, utilize that very expensive infield, right, from first base to third base to shortstop. And and that’s what they’re looking for. And and they find somebody like Wilin Ramos who has done that in his time. He was just a minor league all-star this past season. This is somebody that is very low risk and could be a decent reward based on uh who they have, right? I saw, and I know this stuff isn’t always accurate, but they have him at they had him at 65, I think it was 165 or something like that. I know he’s 25 years old, so he’s not necessarily a spring chicken, but there’s probably a little bit more, especially with the new director of performance. There’s probably a little bit more they could put on him and and that can help, too. So, I really like this move. They’re going to be a number of under the radar moves. Now, we’re all se here sitting waiting for the big move. But while we wait, these moves can at least be a little appetizer for us. Your little cheese and crackers with Thanksgiving coming up and everything. The cheese and crackers, the shakuderie board, you know, the the whatever you want to call it to get you ready for the main course. And hopefully that main course comes sooner rather than later. And I would expect that it is going to happen, but it might not be in the form of a Tar Scuboo or a Framber Valdez. And I was reading the comments. A lot of you don’t even want Framber Valdez. I don’t think the Giants are going to go in that direction. I wouldn’t because it just the whole thing was sketchy to me, but this that this is a name that’s going to be out there and the Giants do like that type of pitcher in theory. He’s a ground ball guy, but there’s more to it. That’s why you got to check the boxes. So, we’ll see what happens with Wilin Ramos and the Giants as some of these moves got to start happening soon, right? That’s what you would think. We we got to be getting closer to something. So, we’ll see. Until then, we will talk tomorrow to break down more Giants off season. Thank you for watching Locked On Giants. Thank you for listening to Locked On Giants. Be sure to follow me on social media at the_stylesfile styles with an I and the official Locked on Giants Twitter and Tik Tok and X Twitter X account as well. We will talk to you tomorrow. Until then, peace.

Are the Giants really in position to sell the farm for Tarik Skubal — and should they even be considering it? Today we dig into whether San Francisco has enough real assets to be a serious player for Detroit’s ace, what a potential package would look like, and whether Skubal is the type of move that could actually change the franchise’s direction. We also dive into the Heliot Ramos question: after a step back in 2025 and continued defensive inconsistencies, is he quietly becoming one of the more likely pieces to be moved in a pitching-focused deal? Plus, we break down the latest minor move with upside — the signing of 6’5” right-hander Wilkin Ramos, a ground-ball machine who could be another “hidden gem” swing the Giants hope pays off. Loaded episode with big-picture pitching questions, roster-building strategy, and a realistic look at what the Giants can and cannot afford to do.

0:00 Giants IN on Skubal?
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19:24 Player Profile: Wilkin Ramos

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