Miami Marlins are OPPOSITE PROBLEM of Dodgers

Here’s Brody Brazil. The voicemail line is always open for you 247 at 8334 Brody. If you’ve got a question or a comment or a compliment or even a critique, I literally listen to every single message and then I get to play back and respond to the very best ones. Hey Brody, this is uh Cullen calling from Qargo, Florida. All right. Uh so my question kind of pertains around the Miami Marlins. Uh, with the Rays situation somewhat settled and the A’s looking somewhat settled, uh, one of my biggest fears is some of the talks that’s been around about the Marlins potentially leaving Miami. I mean, I think the city loves them, but you know, one of our biggest issues is just getting butts and seats. That’s right. Uh, which I feel like it was more of a Marlins round. Baseball, they don’t want them to leave. When we have the World Series Classic or sorry, the the World thing or whenever baseball classic, all of the teams from Central and Latin America come to Miami to play those games, right, the stadium packs out. So, I don’t think the MLB necessarily wants them to believe, but how can the Marlins really just, you know, kind of build more of a culture there? Yeah. I mean, is it really just as simple as winning? Uh, if I’m not sure. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Hey Colin, I appreciate the call and I wish I had the simple single answer to like what fixes the Miami Marlins. I think there’s so many different things going on, but I also agree I’m not sure that Major League Baseball wants that team to be departing the market. I think they want two teams in Florida. And to your point, look how hard baseball even kind of fought for Tampa Bay and St. Pete to keep the rays in that market. Commissioner Rob Manfred made trips to Florida just to kind of try and smooth things over and make sure that they weren’t leaving the state, maybe going to Orlando, but ultimately here in the end, it looks like they’re going to stay in the Tampa Bay region. So, let’s talk about the Miami Marlins as kind of a study. Let’s diagnose the Marlins here. They’ve they’ve got so many things going for them to your point. large demographics in a big area like Miami. Geographically where it’s located, the population, everything seems as it should. Like these are things Major League Baseball would desire in a market. They’ve got a relatively new stadium. Is it a little bit more than 10 years old? I think early 2010s is when that ballpark was built. They’ve had previous success. I know they were an expansion team, but even since then, they’ve won two World Series, 97 and 2003, and also proven market interest. And I agree, Colin, to your point about the World Baseball Classic, like when that tournament shows up and the stands are full, it’s like, “Wow, baseball really works here in Miami.” So, they’ve checked all the boxes, all the big boxes of what’s working and what should be working for baseball in Miami. So, why isn’t it working from a success standpoint? The Marlins don’t win. Their attendance is super low. There’s a lot of bad mouthing of this franchise, a lot of turnover for this franchise. is let’s go through this. Poor attendance that could simply be a product of not winning. And maybe the product of not winning starts with the trade and turnover history, whether it’s managers or general managers or players that they don’t retain. They’ve almost kind of become a team in a bigger market than like what the Oakland A’s were. And the A’s had the San Francisco Giants essentially in the same market. But the Marlins are operating lately like they’re kind of a farm team for other big league clubs. They have been in the last four years 26th in salary, 22nd in salary overall, 28th in Major League Baseball salary, and this past season they were 30th overall in Major League Baseball payroll spending. And also imaging and branding and lack of communication. Like this is where they get all of those red X’s right there. Here are the things that simply have not worked well for the Marlins. Oh, I painted this picture first to tell you they’ve got so many things that are there, but man, these other things just are not going right for the franchise and could be different, could change, but as of right now, they haven’t. So, I want to circle back to the biggest part of the voicemail and the big question here because the let’s say A’s are settled and because the Rays look like they might be settled and there’s not another team that’s threatening relocation lately. Uh but we’ll see how how that all shakes out like next baseball season or in the years following. The White Socks had talked about a little instability if they didn’t get a new park. Obviously, the Rays were in a a bunch of questionable spots and where they would ultimately land. Seems like they’re settled. So maybe the Marlins are the new front runner for a threatening franchise. Like, hey, if we don’t get what we want, we’re about to leave. But they don’t have a dated or aging ballpark. They don’t have any problems or excuses they can point to. some of these other teams and even look at the White Sox. They’ll say, “Well, this ballpark was built in the early 90s. It was already outdated when we built it. We want something new. We want real estate. Chicago, help us out. Let us build a ballpark on the South Loop. Let us get closer to the to the downtown core. Is it the 78 that the name of that neighborhood?” So, the White Sox want something. The Marlins can’t really ask for anything ballpark-wise. And I think that’s the main reason of why there’s literally minimal threat of them leaving or they can’t they can’t bring that up and fight that fight. People will laugh that one off. There’s nothing to it. I also think and let me start with this. For many different reasons, many reasons. Did I put many reasons? Let me change that. Hang on. Okay, fixed. For many reasons, uh geography included, I do not see Major League Baseball rushing the Marlins out of Miami. They see that market just like we do. They want that market honestly just like any good baseball fan should. So I don’t see Major League Baseball trying to influence the Marlins out of Miami or not help. I think they want that team to stay in that market. But from the Marlins perspective, right, so long as they’re making any type of money, like so long as they’re not in the red, if they’re making money from their local TV deal or merchandise or tickets or concessions or sponsorship, or how about now because they’re one of these smaller spending teams, how about just flatout revenue sharing from Major League Baseball? And I’m not even talking about the luxury tax. I’m talking about overall revenue sharing. If they’re not spending and they’re getting money coming in, if they’re the 30th payroll team in in the big leagues and they’re getting money come in and their team valuation is going up in the meantime, maybe they’re just content. Yeah, you heard me. No, like maybe they’re just fine and they don’t care if they’re losing. They’re making money while losing. It’s not the most money, but you know what? If you’re going to start winning, that gets expensive and then you have to spend more money to make more money. It’s just easier. It’s easier to chill and not win and still make money at the same time and be consistently losing and consistently making money. So maybe the Marlins aren’t pushing like they don’t want to move, they don’t want to leave, they don’t need a new stadium, they need nothing. They just want to sit, relax, and watch watch the trends go up moneywise. I think if there was a stadium issue here, if this was an aging ballpark, if they were still playing at Joe Robbie Stadium, aka Hard Rock Stadium, which is impossible. They’ve they’ve fixed it up exclusively for football now, but hypothetically, if the Marlins and Dolphins were still sharing a same multi-purpose stadium in Miami, this would be a problem. This would be a team that’s threatening relocation all the time, trying to get out. Miami, build us a new stadium. Florida, build us a new stadium. If you don’t, we’re going to Nashville. That’s exactly how this would play out. The reason why the Mar the number one reason why the Marlins don’t really have any type of threat in their back pocket is because they’ve already got a ballpark and there’s really nothing else they could want. And maybe they’re actually happy here. Fans aren’t happy. Fans are looking at the Miami Marlins and saying, “What are you doing? And we can’t figure you out.” But here’s the other problem. The Marlins are actually a huge problem to Major League Baseball because they have now established themselves really as a low-spending team that’s a have not and they are a team that’s adding to MLB’s issues when we talk about competitive imbalance and how much the Dodgers are spending. Well, that’s the highest spending team. Here’s a here’s a good look at the lowest spending team. If the Dodgers are ruining baseball, are the Marlins making it better? Tell me how they are. They’re not. And so the Marlins are going to be one of the problem teams when it comes down to salary cap conversations, negotiations, arguments as we get into the creation of a new collective bargaining agreement between the league and its players. The Marlins are a have not. They’ve established themselves as such and that is bound to be a problem. So to answer the question, threat of them leaving, not so much. threat of them being a problem for Major League Baseball and its future operations and probably a work stoppage in 2027. Absolutely. That’s what I have to think about this. Let me know what your thoughts are in the comments section below. Also, thumbs up while you’re down there. Really appreciate that. Helps me, this video, and this channel. And don’t forget to subscribe. I would love to see you back here next time.

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The Miami Marlins have struggled due to a combination of factors including a lack of investment in players, which leads to a weaker roster and poor on-field performance, particularly with injuries and a lack of star power. Compounding these issues are inconsistent offensive and defensive performance, a lack of a winning culture, and the challenge of competing with Miami’s many other entertainment options and a strong baseball culture rooted in other cities.

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32 comments
  1. Fans do t trust the broke ownership. We've been burned way too many times to fall in love with the franchise again. They should have sold this team to the family that now owns the soccer team, instead of the Jeter/Sherman group.

  2. Don't take this the wrong way because I actually like the guy, but the reason the Marlins are where they are dates back to a single name: David Samson. He did a lot of things that alienated fans to a point that they'll never go back. While it was what he was supposed to do from a business standpoint, he got that stadium built by making far too many threats. He then signed off on taking what had been a 20 year, highly successful (by expansion standards) record as the Florida Marlins, tossing the brand aside for a truly garish orange, blue, neon, and who knows how many colors look emphasized by the biggest, ugliest ass "M" on a baseball cap I've ever seen and the "Miami Marlins," thereby alienating fans outside the city proper. It'd have been far better had they been Miami to start with, but what really upset that fan base was building an equally garish stadium that looked half like a carnival site (a flipping marlin every time someone hit a home run?), had full blown fish tanks in the backdrop behind home plate, and did everything it could to be less a baseball park and more a place where dollars could be taken from the wallets of those who went there. David and Jeffrey Loria thought far more about the next fiscal quarter than they did the next quarter century… and we see the result.

  3. Like most Marlins fans, I am tired. Tired of bad owners who won't invest in the product on the field. Tired of excuses about being a small market which is simply a lie. The only thing that turns this franchise around is a new ownership group with deep pockets and willing to invest in the team. Until that happens, it's going to be the same old story. It's really too bad because the stadium is a nice place to watch baseball and the community has shown during the WBC they will come out and support an exciting product.

  4. The small problem with the Marlins is corporate sponsorship & wealth in my humble opinion. I don’t want to come off as condescending, but alot of wealthy people are only in Miami late fall to early spring.

  5. Marlins aren't going anywhere. They are "stuck" with the new stadium lease. They can't move. What then need is ownership consistency. Fingers crossed they have it now

  6. Marlins are not moving any time soon. They not only have a lease with Loan Depo park but that was paid for mostly with tax payer money. I kind of though the solution would be to contract the Marlins or move them to Nashville and let the Rays move to Miami. Problem will still be that Florida is very in different to pro sports in general, even when the Heat were good they had bad attendance. People in Florida have too many other options and most would rather be out at the beach or something.

  7. They have new ownership. Is your argument that everyone who buys the team just happens to be a cheapskate? They overpaid for the franchise and Jeter discovered that running a team isn’t quite so easy without the Steinbrenner checkbook.

  8. The biggest mistake they made was building LoanDepot Park where it is. Their fan base is in North Miami. If LoanDepot Park was built near where the Dolphins play, the attendance would be better imho.

  9. MLB simply doesn't care about how poorly some of their franchises are run because currently everyone is making money. If you can suck on the field, have almost nobody pay to come see your games and yet still make hundreds of millions of dollars, why would you even pretend to care. Billionaires are gonna do what they do best, screw people over to get more money.

  10. The Marlins have been used as a money making scheme since 1993. When you have had several fire sales over the last 30 years it doesnt endear you to local fans. I cant blame the fans anymore

  11. From a far, the Marlins just keep going through the cycle of… developing players > team gets good > sells most players for prospects. Starts the process all over again. This seems like this has happened since their inception in 1993. This current Marlins team, for like 2 months in the middle of last season, they were good. They swept the Yankees around the trade deadline. If they keep this core & stuck with them (if ownership allows it), this is an up & coming team.

  12. Brodie I know this is a baseball video but NBA Europe, but since the news has just come out, Manchester United are considering being the NBA Europe franchise. Whilst it's common for football teams to have basketball teams in Europe, it isn't in England, and I think it could harm the sport's growth in the UK for one specific reason. I'm from London. I'd happily support a London team if it had generic branding, or the London Lions, or was an Arsenal team. But I'm never going to support a Tottenham basketball team, or a Chelsea team, etc. It's the sort of thing which would immediately turn me away from them being my local team if they're associated with my football club's rivals.

  13. What is weird is that the Marlins AAA team here in Jacksonville won the AAA Minor League Championship… And they do decently in the stands…. The owner of the Jumbo Shrimp will be in the management of the Rays as a minority owner so will be not as involved..

  14. I gave up on the Marlins after they got rid of Mike Stanton. I love the new stadium but it is way too far from West Palm Beach. It is a 3-3.5 hr round trip on a weeknight, whereas Dolphin stadium was less than 2 hrs round trip. I really think there biggest mistake was moving away from Palm Beach and Broward County. They alienated a lot of their fanbase. Also forcing fans to buy Bally's Sports to watch games is a killer. I watch the Blue Jays every night on MLB tv now for the past 4 years.

  15. I have a great idea. Move the Marlins to Orlando. Gut the inside of the Loan Depot Park and reconfigure it to be a 50,000 seat football stadium for the Miami Hurricanes. Remember, the Miami Hurricanes football team were at their greatness at the Orange Bowl, which the present site for the Marlins' Loan Depot Park.

  16. As a Marlins fan, I think if management put a good product on the field then I believe they could draw 18,000-20,000 a game at least

    Miami is an event town though I think

  17. As a Dodger fan who’s lived in Miami for 20+ years, I can tell you the fans here really do love the Marlins. They packed the stadium back when we were at Joe Robbie, and they welcomed players with open arms. The only real issue has always been the ownership. They trade away as much as possible just to get a “better deal.”

    Everyone…including myself, loves the teal and black uniforms, but for some reason Jeter, a non-Miami local or native, decided to double down on the Miami Vice theme. All that tradition built up over the years was tossed aside for a gimmick.

    I think you’re right, Brodie,maybe they’re just content with being mid at best.

  18. cheap owner after cheap owner. after investing millions in 97 their owner made a fire sale in 98. same thing after 03… it's become a thing, a part of their identity.

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