What’s NEXT, Luis Castillo’s Fate, and More Seattle Mariners Offseason Insights From Ryan Divish

What’s NEXT, Luis Castillo’s Fate, and More Seattle Mariners Offseason Insights From Ryan Divish

Ryan Dvish of the Seattle Times joins us today to tell us his thoughts on what’s next for the Mars this off seasonason if Luis Castillo can be traded and how the Mars might have a little bit more money to spend than we thought. You are Locked On Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. Ohoy sailors. It is Friday, November 21st, 2025. You’re listening to the Lockdown Maris podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. My name is Titan Gonzalez. I’m a lifelong Maris fan who’s been covering the team for over half a decade. And today, me and my co-host Colby are going to be joined by the one and only Ryan Dibbish, Mars beat writer for the Seattle Times. Of course, he’s going to give us the latest on the Mars off season. We’re going to talk some Jorge Palanco, Luis Castillo, Bullpin Arms, Colt Emerson. We cover a whole lot in this one, but before we get into it, I want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, and use the promo code locked on MLB. That’s Loc MLB for $20 off your first purchase. All right, let’s just get right into it. Let’s talk to Ryan Dish. Pleased to welcome back to the show Mariners beat writer for the Seattle Times, Ryan Divish. Ryan, thanks so much for taking the time. Happy to join you guys. Obviously, it’s already been a uh busy off seasonason for the Mariners and for you. Uh and we’ve got a lot of baseball stuff to talk about, but um I’d kick myself if I didn’t ask you about this big football game happening in Missoula this weekend. Montana and Montana State. How we feeling? Um, I feel better if ESPN Game Day was going to be there because I felt like they should have, you know, I’m actually and they were normally when the situation, uh, some of my buddies at the from the production staff at the athletics department stuff, they’ll call and ask me to tweet out something or do a video. I think a few years ago, I did a video trying to get game day to go there where I said me and my buddy would buy the staff drinks all night. Um, but and they were in negotiations. I just think it was logistically hard for them and you know I think Oregon threw up a bunch of money. You got Phil Knight doing that. So I was disappointed in that. I’m not confident about the game like so you know I I always get on Twitter and say hey I’m not a Mariners fan and like I don’t you know I analyze it and stuff like that but I am a a Montana football fan. I watch it a lot and I just get so irritated at our defense right now. So, you know, like how you guys like get mad about stuff. I I do too. Like I don’t go like all on Twitter, but like there’s a lot of talking to myself and a lot of yelling at the TV and stuff. So, I uh I didn’t even want to go to Missoula this weekend on the prospect that they might lose. Um and that and tickets were like 250 and like hotels were like 500. So, I’m just like no, I’ll watch in the comfort of my home. That way I can just enjoy yelling at the refs and at the defensive coordinator and the quarterback and everything else just like any normal fan. It’s like my one time a year really um where I get to have that kind of feeling. And I I’ll admit I’m probably not as crazy as I used to be when I was younger because you know like I think the job kind of takes some of the fan out of you. I’m more sure sit and watch and analyze but it is kind of like my one outlet to be a fan. So I’m looking forward to it. Nice. What is your uh game seven of the ALCS moment as a Montana fan? Yeah. I mean, I So, I’ve been to um I I went to to the national championship when they won it in 2001, which was, you know, which was really cool because like I had friends on the team, like they were part of the team, you know, I was in I was just kind of right out of college, but I had a lot of friends on the team and I went and I had a blast, you know, and so I made a promise to my buddies that anytime Montana made it after that, I would go. So, I went three more times and they lost every one of them, including to Villan Nova where former Cub Matt Caesar just went PlayStation on us. And I was like, how can you not just tackle the one guy that’s going to get the ball every single time? And then there was a game where a a friend of mine named Mark Mariani, who was a receiver there, all-American receiver, played for the Bears and the Titans, he had 187 yards receiving in the first half and never got a catch in the second half. I mean, that Yes. He likes So, yeah. So, I have my moments, believe me. Yeah, I got you. I got you. Yeah. I mean, like, honestly though, and it’s it’s funny. I have, you know, I did the the Houston series for the while the Houston ALDS was pretty intense. But like I think in my mind I always felt like Houston was the better team when I covered that. But like with the Blue Jays, I felt like the Mariners had the better team overall. The Blue Jays were a little hotter with the bottom of their order, but I felt like that was a series they should have won. I had never se I’ve never seen intensity like that, like experienced intensity like that covering a game. Even the Detroit series, you know, game five of the Detroit series, like the intensity of those games and the playoff games, it’s it’s it was just different than it was than in 22. 22 I think was it was kind of cathartic in the sense that they had finally made it and you know yeah for a lot of fans I think the happiness of being there and ending the drought but like this year when you saw kind of how they played and when they played well in the postseason you’re like oh my god they can get to the World Series and you looked at the way the rest of the team stacked up and then to kind of not play and I was you know we’re having the debate about you know game seven and all that stuff to my thinking was is they should have never lost game one of the ALDS, it should have never went to five and their pitching would have been lined up a lot better and they had opportunities to win early in, you know, in the ALCS where it should never have gotten to game seven. That was kind of my thinking anyways. Yeah. Yeah, that’s kind of uh how I look at it as well. Did you notice like kind of the shift in tone in and Roger Center specifically from games one and two to games six and seven? like it just felt different because I went to games one, two, and six. And so games one and two felt a little bit more relaxed. Especially game two, I don’t know if you picked up on this, game two kind of had like a just a random day game vibe kind of. Um, but game six and and game seven got especially like crazy. Like the just the atmosphere was way different. Well, the the Blue Jays angst came out in six and seven. Like I think in one because the Mariners went 15. I think everybody in Toronto just expected them to win. You know, they rolled through the Yankees in those last games and they thought, “Okay, we’re just gonna we’ll boat race these guys, take a lead, and then the Mariners come out and kind of punch them in the mouth right away.” And then they were so stunned by it, they didn’t know how to react. And you know, because like you’re looking at it like all the the matchups of it. Bryce Miller hadn’t been great. You hadn’t pitched a ton. You’re rolling him out there. The bullpen’s taxed. you know, they’re they’re rested and then the Mariners go and win that game. And then game two, I think like the Mariners kind of just came out, played well right away, and then they’re like, “Oh my god, here we go.” Cuz like when you were leaving game two, I we went out and uh had a couple beers after game two and the fans were not happy. Like the Blue Jays fans, they were calling it right then and there. And I mean honestly like you go up 200 on the road especially environment like Toronto you’re going back home for three straight. I’m thinking they win at least one there and they’ll win it in six and it just didn’t happen. Yeah. Yeah. My my wife and I we we left the stadium and we went out for for beers just to kind of wait out the the train crowd to go back home and uh yeah people were like trying to shake our hands and be like congrats on going to the World Series and all that stuff. And then the Yikes. Yeah. But once I think like with Toronto, and maybe it’s because of what they experienced, when Toronto’s offense gets going even a little bit, the fans just lose their mind. And I thought that, you know, Toronto hit in Seattle, gave them hope, they came back and I mean, like, yeah, six and seven were just different. I mean, it was just intensity, every pitch. It was a lot different. Yeah. Uh, so let’s switch gears here. Let’s talk a little bit about the off season. And so obviously they’ve uh they’ve already signed uh Josh Schnaylor. Um and you know they’ve talked about wanting to bring back Palanco and Gino or at least one of those guys. Um but also you know Jerry and and Justin they love to circle back on players that they’ve targeted in the past. Is there a past target of theirs you think we should keep an eye on this winter? I don’t know. There’s been so many targets. You know it’s crazy. It’s like just like randomly when we were in Toronto and we were talking about Addison Barger and just kind of like his path and how he different like how you know being homeschooled and but like the antithesis of Jared Kelnik and the way he kind of grew as a player. Uh Hollander just drops. Yeah, we called on him. Called on him. We were very interested in getting him when we didn’t have a third baseman decided and we were basically told no. He goes we had longer conversations about Vlad Jr. than we did about ass and Marger. So, um, you know, stuff like that, you know, but like I don’t know like you know I asked Adam about me and Jude were we always text I said what do you think about Marte could tell Marte and I was like and like he said and I kind of said like I don’t know if they want to disrupt the clubhouse you know it’s a lot of money too you know but Jerry’s never been afraid to go out and get a guy he’s traded before but I I don’t know I I guess maybe there’s been a lot of relievers that they’ve liked over time that they haven’t been able to get. My guess is that’s where they maybe circle back around. I don’t know. I’m you know it’s so like by signing Naylor they have a lot of opportunities and they have they’ve kind of shored up the one huge piece that they needed to get done and then they can kind of go from there and it’s given them options you know a lot of different options. Like I I was joking with Adam. I was like hey maybe they’ll just go back to trying to get Nicoer again. 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H I wouldn’t say never, but I think last year the math or like their thinking on it was different in the sense that like they had a better understand. They thought they knew exactly what they had in Bryce and Logan and George from a health standpoint, but to have major scares with all three of those guys and miss a lot of time, I think that changes maybe their math on what the value of Luis Castillo is because he makes every start. Um, and I think this market is different. Last year, the pitching market was so starved. This year, you have, you know, better kind of mid-level starters, you know, in that two to four range that are, I don’t think, will cost you as much money as what Luis Castile will cost you. I think the contract is prohibitive in a lot of ways. The one, but I there is value in his quantity. You know, I think the quality isn’t necessarily great, but he was pretty good last year. If you look at a lot of the numbers and you take out that little four start stretch where he really struggled and some of that was mechanical based and I think some fatigue, you know, he’s pretty pretty quality starter. So, I guess the Mariners have to ask themselves what they get back in return, will they get enough value or will, you know, the salary saved allow you to go get the guy you want? Um, you could always do the contract for contract, you know, was it the Robbie Ray for Mitch Haniger kind of thing. like if there’s a player out there that fits what they need, fits what they want, has kind of not necessarily the exact contract, but a lot of money owed or whatever, then you can kind of make that work. But I mean, how many teams are really going to take on Luis Castillo’s money right now? Three or four. Like the one thing is is like if the Mets strike out on a bunch of pitching guys, then maybe you can do that. Mhm. The problem with that being is like that could happen late and then late in the process like where they don’t get their guys and they start looking around for trades. Do you have the money you save or what you get in return? Will that help you or do you have enough time to go get the pieces to make up for what you lost? Yeah. Colobby, what do you got for Ryan? Well, I mean, just speaking about the the money there, like if they don’t trade Luis, do they have enough, do you think, to do something more than just bring back uh Jorge Palano or or how do you think they’re set up financially to uh attack the off season? Yeah. Yeah. So, like I I think when I was down at the GM meetings and talking with some agents and talking with some other guys from other teams, you know, they kind of when cuz like when Jerry came out and said, “Oh, the budget will be what it ended last year.” Um, you know, I don’t think the players union loved hearing that and all that other stuff, but I think that was a starting point for their budget. That’s kind of like the baseline, you know, the floor of what their budget could be. It wasn’t going to be the beall end all like that’s the ceiling and they had to stop it right there because what was that about 30 some million if you looked into the the projections I think it was I think they’re closer to probably having about 40 to 45 to play with now they’re not going to burn at all right away that’s not how they do it because they they need to add so at the they want to be able to add at the deadline um yeah I think like I think they can still do something with Palano and still have some money to go get relievers I don’t think I don’t think there’s a way they can make Palano Suarez plus what Naylor was given work. Although Naylor backloading the contract a little bit and only getting 10 this year might make it work because by him doing 10 this year and the signing bonus or whatever like you can you can look at a one-year deal for Suarez and say, “Okay, that’s not terrible because you’re only committed the one year.” Like the the joke is is the running thing in in GM circles is there’s no such thing as a bad one-year contract. Um, and so you can make it work that way because of what Naylor did and how this the contract is structured, they may be able to do something. Um, but I think like, you know, if they go get Palano and I think then the money they have they’ll use to get relievers, I don’t know that third base is quite the priority that it that it might be. or if they find the right guy. Like to me, I think if you found a a decent right-handed hitting utility bat or utility guy that can play multiple, like say Willie Casper’s out there. I know he was terrible with the Cubs second half, but maybe you can get him on a little bit lighter deal or on a one-year deal, on a prove it deal, then you have a guy that can play second, can play third a little bit and has some contact skills that you like and he’s right-handed because they’re pretty left-handed at times. You know, I don’t think anybody wants to see JP and Cole Young batting against lefties throughout the season. I don’t think that’s a good idea. So, that may be a fit more than just like going the everyday third base type. Uh, and might fit them better. They are going to give Cole Young the runway to make the team. I mean, they are and they they’re comfortable with Ben Williamson being at least part of a platoon at third base if they needed to. Like, I think they have that freedom. to me like I think they need leverage arms probably more than a third baseman like what you could get depending on what the market is but that that’s how like maybe the trade works. Maybe you get a trade to get a third baseman instead of um using you know free agent dollars and maybe the free agent dollars go to a lefty that has some swing and miss or a righty that has some swing and miss. To me they they’re two relievers away from being from solidifying that bullpen. Well, let’s talk about that a little bit because to me the the best thing that I’ve heard from Jerry and Justin this winter has been the acknowledgement that Muno, Spire, Bazardo, and Brash through a ton and they want to build in some safeguards for that. Um, you know, the other week you wrote that they’d like to add another experience leverage arm similar to Yan Don. Now, Don’s one of the best relievers in the game. So, do you think they’re going to be shopping at, you know, the top shelf of the relief market this winter? Um, no. I don’t like the Devin Williams group. No, I don’t think so because I don’t think they want to go three at, you know, over 15 or 16 million for a reliever, but they’ll probably, you know, they’ll look at the next tier. If there’s a guy maybe with a higher strikeout rate, but has some other issues, they’ll look at that. But like I think we all know that Devin Williams will probably end up with the Dodgers and and you know, I mean, like there are some other guys I like you look at it like Fairbanks’s numbers are starting to trend down. you don’t you don’t like the lack of swing and miss. you know, you trust their pitching lab to find the right guys in the market because like if you look at it when they’ve been forced to go get relievers to fill a a direct need like a leverage need that highly relied upon, you know, Jerry went out and spent 17 million on Juan Nicasio and 11 million on Mark Zeppinsky and five million on Ryan Stannic and so like trust your guys. trust your guys to know like if there’s mid-level guys you can go get and you can do that you know build a bizardo if you have to that has some experience they I think what we’ll see given how much these other guys threw is they’ll be a lot more careful and leverage you know using these guys early in this next season Munoz bizardo you know brash threw a lot coming off the injury what hurt them is guys like Kar and Troy Taylor just could not command I mean they love this stuff and I don’t think You know, I think that they both feel that that or they like their pitching guys feel like Kar having another year can get better. Like Taylor, the shoulder issues he dealt with coming into spring really sidetracked him and he couldn’t get it back. And they feel like having a normal offseason for both those guys could put them on a better trajectory. But like other guys like Santos, I mean I wouldn’t be surprised if they non-tender Santos even at 900,000 because he’s such a zero in terms of commitment to trying to like be there. And I think there were a lot of frustrated people that didn’t feel like, you know, he didn’t he was putting his best foot forward maybe to to be back, you know, and I mean like how the hell do you pitch that many innings and not hit a strikeout? That’s impossible in big league baseball. Yeah. Yeah. That’s crazy. That’s crazy. Um, going back to Don real quick. Yeah, they they said that Caleb Ferguson was their fallback after Don, but that that’s a pretty steep jump we’re talking about there. Do do you think uh that was that’s how that worked that they just went from Don to Ferguson or do you think they were actually they had some irons and some other serious fires, more serious fires? I think that was like the fall back that they knew they could get no matter what. I think they they checked in on Don Js. Uh they checked almost every reliever, you know, that’s what they do, but like they, you know, they were looking for kind of specific guys. The Don thing too fit him because he had multiple years of control, you know, and that’s what they really really liked. Um given what, you know, if you’re going to invest prospect capital, you want to make sure your return is maximized a little bit. Um and the Jimmy Garcia thing la a year ago didn’t really work out in that regard. So I I mean they they went after Don pretty hard. You know, we’ve never gotten an exact an exact um like what they said exactly what they offered. I we’re all based on kind of what they’ve hinted. Harry Ford was in the package along with another pitcher and possibly like a couple low-level guys. The Phillies just went to top 100s. You know what’s funny is the Taipe guy, the catcher they threw in there isn’t really a catcher. he’s more they think he’s going to end up being first baseman and you threw in Abel who’s you know he’s been a top 100 guy for a while but hadn’t really proved it but like they just like those guys better. It was kind of strange. I mean honestly, you know, if you’re looking to fill the catching spot, maybe you get a guy that’s a little bit more ready, but I think they also think they might be able to bring real Mudo back, too. So, our conversation with Ryan Dish continues in just a moment. But first, a reminder, this episode of the Locked Ones podcast is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA is back and there’s no better place to get in on the action than FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. 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That would have been I mean you get Don and you know people are to go with the rest of the guys they got people have their pants off over their head swinging them around and joy like you know and you and like that was the thing is like you could just count the number of times where Don could have been useful in that situation just somebody that wasn’t necessarily Bizardo you know and like said like Brash Brash wasn’t at his best I think some fatigue caught him a little bit towards the end there you know Spire was gass do you know and and that’s that’s the thing is they just didn’t have the depth to kind of offset it and they didn’t have guys that they trusted in the back end or in the bottom part of the bullpen to even like roll out there in semile leverage situations really. Uh I want to go back real quick to um your thoughts on on them not trading Castillo. So if they don’t trade him then what do you make of the trick stuff? Um, I mean, I think they’ll listen. I think you gotta listen. Yeah. You saw you saw what the horse can do for you in a postseason and you really believe this is a postseason team. You know, I I don’t like say they traded for him. I think the odds of signing school, resigning school are pretty slim given that how much he can make. I don’t care how much he loves uh tacos cheekies in Seattle. It’s just not going to happen. Um, but you know what? Make the run at it. You know, there are a lot of teams that have done that with one guy, one time to get that World Series and you know that puts you over the top. I my guess would be they would ask for Kirby. I don’t think you’d have to do that though. I think I don’t like they want a major league ready pitcher um where you have the full control, the full aotment. Like if I just don’t know that Darangelo Ca or Kate Anderson really gets you that. you have to throw in something else. I mean, obviously, you’re going to have to throw in two or three guys, three or four guys. I don’t think they have to be your best guys. I don’t think Colt Emerson’s going in there, but like Mhm. you know, if if you’re Detroit and you have to do this, then you better get real dudes. Like, and I don’t that’s the one thing, too, is like if if you’re Detroit and you’re willing to do that, are you willing to just move Carrie Carpenter, too? I mean, because he’s getting expensive, too, and he, you know, I mean, it it just it feels weird to be like, we’re going to trade our best guy, our very best guy, and we’re still going to try and compete in 2026. Like, what? Like, I mean, what kind of it’s tough message to send to the clubhouse, but I think they all kind of know where they’re at. The only thing is is that that division is so bad. Like the Mariners could have went in without like the Mariners could go in with what they have now and just steamroll that division without adding anybody else. Say they keep Naylor, they don’t add Palanco back or whatever, they could roll through that division that’s that bad. Colobby, you got anything for Ren? Yeah, you mentioned Colt Emerson earlier. I’m curious, what do you think the odds are that he makes the opening day roster? We know he’s going to be given the opportunity, but do you think that’s a real opportunity or is it kind of a, you know, give the top prospect a shot, see what happens type of thing? I think it’s more of a real opportunity now after like, you know, in the what 17 games when he went to to Tacoma and even in in in Arkansas, you know, the numbers like they they were here. They’re pretty steady. Like it’s not explosive. Like with Laz, you know, Laz has the ups and downs. Usually when he starts a new level, there’s some downs as he adjusts and there’s huge ups and then whatever. Colt, I know he was the numbers aren’t perfect, but I think he held his own and I think the way he progresses at such a rapid rate, I think they think that that’s possible. I don’t know. I mean, I guess there are bonuses to all of that, too. You put the guy on the roster opening day and plays enough. Yeah, you burning your service time, but you also could put him up there to get a potential first round pick with a draft pick if rookie of the year, stuff like that. I’m I’ll be curious. I mean, because they were going to do the same thing similarly with Cole Young a little bit, but he came he hurt his shoulder and never really competed at spring, but but Colt Emerson’s wired a little differently than Cole Young. He there’s an intensity of Colt Emerson that’s like the maturity level. like I wouldn’t think that it’s normal, but it’s possible, you know, and if they show him anything, like I think he could do it. Um, but I think also like they’re not going to sit there and pencil him in. I think they that would be the pleasant surprise because they didn’t do that with Julio. I remember that year Julio came in, everybody thought, “Oh, it’s just was he going to start again at double A or is he going to go to AAA? How long would it take for him to be up?” And he came in so ready to go that he just forced them to put him on the team. I think Colt Emerson is perfectly capable of doing that. Um, you know, and from a defensive standpoint, I think he he’d adjust to third base really quickly. So, yeah. I mean, I’d say maybe 45% chance just because it’s that difficult to move up. What is he 20? Is he even 21 yet? Yeah, he’s 20. Yeah, I think it’s 20. Yeah. I mean, it could I think it could happen, but I think I don’t think the Narrowers are gonna rely on that happening. Yeah. Uh, you mentioned Cole Young’s shoulder. Do you think that that lingered at all over the course of this year? Because like his arm strength was not what I had heard it was. It was kind of a it was it was an issue. Yeah. All of a sudden the comps to Adam Frasier look a lot more like fair honestly. Um yeah I guess and and the thing is is like his throwing motion was a little funky and they worked on a lot. It was a longer throwing motion. They wanted to be shorter you know like at the bag for double plays and stuff. He’s not super clean there. And that’s, you know, I think a year working on it and more time with Perry Hill will help him. But like, you know, like you watch Reebos play defense and then you watch Cole, there’s just it’s not the same. Um, but you know, he’s he’s plenty he’s he’s enough talent to make it better. I don’t know. But like one time we were watching and NG Menick was like, “Man, he’s throwing like Dustin Aley from second base.” And I was like, “Oh, that’s a that’s a hard drop right there, Angie.” Like, yeah, I think he’ll be fine. I think, you know, some offseason rest and they wanted him to kind of clean it up and and all that other stuff, we’ll do it. But, you know, what’ll keep him in the big leagues is if he hits. If he hits and and you know, if he hits kind of like the guy in in July and early August and not like the guy in September, you won’t really care about his defense. is like the Daniel Murphy comp or the even Palano. You put them out there, you know that you’re going to lose some balls defensively, but if you hit enough, you you’ll overlook it. Uh speaking of Palano, there was a report the other day from the Athletic that um Jorge might wait out the market a bit. Do you think the Mariners are willing to wait for him though? Yeah, I mean I think they’ll wait a little bit just because they got Naylor done. Like had Naylor not been done and they’re they’re waiting out all these guys, it might have been more difficult, but you know, I think they they might be more willing to wait on Palanco because again, it’s not like you’re not committing a ton of years and really you’re not committing a ton of dollars to him, you know? I mean, I’d be stunned if he got more than 12 million. I thought between 10 and 12 would be what he gets. But yeah, I don’t I don’t think you’re committing four and five years. So, he can wait it out a little bit. But it’s like the thing with Palanco is is like Ulissiz’s agent might say that or might be leaking that, but Palano is a guy that went back to the Mariners because he felt more comfortable in Seattle. in a year where you’re trying to put up numbers and get rebuild your value, he decided to go back to Seattle and not Houston or even New York because he wanted to go to a place he was familiar with and he didn’t like the change. I mean, that first year with Seattle, that was so hard for him in the sense that his entire career from the time he was 16 was with the twins and everything about it. So, you know, it was a pretty big adjustment. I I’d be stunned like you know if if the difference comes down to $1 million or something like that where he would go somewhere else over $1 million a year just be and which is amazing to say because like I’d probably go somewhere else for $500 a year but like he uh you know that kind of difference for him I I just think he would prefer to be where a place where he’s comfortable. You know, he’s tight with Julio and Randy and that group and Castillo. Julio and him have the same Julio and Robas. All those guys have the same agent. I just think it would it fits too well for him to to try and go somewhere else new for a minimal salary increase. Uh Kobe, you got anything for Ryan before we get out of here? Yeah. Um, so I think one of the more underrated situations uh that the Mariners should look to improve, although I’m coming to the realization they probably won’t uh is right field. Uh it was a disaster for them in the postseason. Uh and if not honestly for Don Kzone’s hot summer, it would have been a disaster all year. Uh but I guess more particularly like could they look to make an upgrade in the outfield? I know Jerry’s already said probably not, but more importantly than that, can Dominic Canzone and Luke coexist on this roster together, especially if Palano is going to be the primary DH? Yeah, that’s a really that’s it’s an interesting scenario. Like, how are they going to make that work? Um, I don’t, you know, I think they can do it. I think you may see Randy get some DHS at times or you may see Randy just get some days off. I I felt like he was not very good the last two months of the season, whether it was fatigue or what. I mean, Randy streaky, but he was not great. Um, yeah, the I like I asked them specifically because there are some outfielders out there that would that would serve as upgrades. Um, but they seem relatively content in the sense that like they don’t think Robz had a real season. I mean, even getting back to play when he did was um a surprise. And then like with he had all kinds of injuries last year. Just never got going and then took it pretty hard on himself when he couldn’t produce when the team was winning. Um you know, but it’s not there isn’t really a role for him, you know, without play being able to play right field. Could they get him more time in left field? Could you see some DHS for guys? It’s possible. Um or, you know, one of those guys could get moved. I mean, I think they’re they’re invested in Dom just because they they’ve invested so much time in him and like they saw what it could be. You know, it’s crazy. He finished with a 300 batting average. I was like I was looking Yeah, he was actually hitting lefties, too. That was kind of the craziest thing. Oh, I think but I think part of it is, you know, like if they don’t get Palanco or if they do get Palanco, they they don’t love playing Dom in right field. I don’t I think you guys probably don’t like watching him play right field. So, not at all. Um I think, you know, and there’s some talk, well, he’s he doesn’t hit as well when he DHS. He goes, well, you better figure it out because that’s your role. I mean, that’s going to be your role moving forward. So, in that regard, I mean, there’s there’s a way to make that roster work. And then baseball sort of figures it out. You know, there’s guys get dinged up, guys, whatever. You find ways to play. I mean, it’s not like any of us were expecting Dom Kenzone to be the contributor he was going into last season. Most people didn’t think he’d make the team coming out of spring. So, I think, you know, there’s ways to make it work. And it’s Jerry. You never know. He could trade somebody tomorrow. That’s the way I look at it. Like all the roster, all the roster kind of like congestion at times and everything else. I think it gets figured out by baseball or it gets figured out by Jerry because he still is going to make moves. He’s still gonna manipulate the roster as much as he can on the back edges of it, you know, and and add guys and and subtract guys and things like that. Lastly, before we let you go, um, you know, between you going on sbatical and coaching and then coming back and then the Mariners going on this crazy run that they went on, have you had a crazier year in your time covering the team just like in in your professional career? Uh, no, honestly. Um, and that that includes a season covering Milton Bradley, a season covering Sean Figgins and Casey Cotchman, you know, season where D Gordon and and Jean Sigura got into a fight in the clubhouse. Um, no, it was the Kendall Greyman trade. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kendall Greyman trade where Tom Murphy was throwing like catcher equipment against the wall in a pit of rage. Um, terrifying. Uh, I think for me it was it was the best summer I ever had in terms of baseball. I got to go back and and coach and coach my stepson and you know it was a big year for him and it helped him earn a a a scholarship and everything else for after next season after this coming season you know he’s a junior. Yeah. and and um coaching my old team and you know being in my hometown seeing my parents on a daily basis and stuff like that was great. Uh didn’t love how it ended but it was great. And then coming back we all saw the clip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There’s some other clips of me freaking out about it but um and then you know coming back and not being a jinx like everybody predicted was nice. And um no, it was really cool. And like Well, when did they go on that really bad run? It was like kind of shortly there after you got back, right? So I came back on August like my first day back was August 3rd, but I was back for that weekend series. I think it was against the Rangers where they swept them and took two or three. So then they were on the hot streak. Then they went on that awful road trip to New York to Baltimore, New York, and Philly, which I didn’t cover. And then I came back for the other home stand and then covered the next road trip where they weren’t great, you know. And then but yeah, their record was winning, I think, with me. But it was okay, there you go. It wasn’t um I don’t know. It was it was cool. Like I didn’t for four months I didn’t have to go to an airport and get on a plane and I didn’t have to go to SeaTac, which is, you know, hell. Yeah. And then also just like, you know, for me like watching for like like I still pretty I think I watched almost every Mariners game I could and even watch them on replay or the recaps um just to stay connected and watching it that way and not tweeting about it or you know having to write about it all that stuff and then reading the coverage. It was a good step back and like for me like I’ve said it before like the the the guys in that team last year collection of the nicest guys, the best people I’ve ever covered. So to see them have success, I was really happy for him and happy watching it. You know, texted with Cal a little bit off and on during the season. Um but yeah, it was it was really cool to kind of come back and experience that. I was like, I got the best aspects of it all. I mean, I I’m going to try and maybe I should just try and sell my boss say I need to take another sbatical make the postseason and we can get all these all these subscriptions and stuff like that. So, we’ll see. I mean, jobs are great when you can take about three or four months off. Right. Right. Go coach some baseball. All that. Yeah. Well, Ryan, great is always talking to you, man. Uh always appreciate your insights. Uh good luck to your Grizz this weekend. Yeah, hopefully we get a win, you know, and I I promise not to angry tweet like um Colobby. Yeah, I take credit for that. No, no, because when I do I was I was more of an angry tweeter back in the day, but like I don’t know. I just I don’t do it anymore. I realized I was screaming at college kids. It was like when It was like when Jude had to tell Blake Snell one time to stop tweeting to college high school recruits about going to Udub football. He’s like I think Adam’s like look I had to have the same conversation with Softy. This is a little different here. We’re we’re going to try and work on it this uh this season. Right, Colby? Right. No, these guys make tens of millions of dollars a year. I think they know not to test the arm of Addison Barter. They sit in those meetings. Okay, pay attention. That’s all I’m saying. That was That was like like when you when you saw that, I was like I just I remember just saying, “Oh no.” And then the seed. I mean like it was kind of cool because I wanted to see it. It was like, you know, it was like like nobody, you know, the guys with the big arms, nobody tests them anymore. So, it was like Buunner and I remember seeing Buuner when I was younger like watching warm up. I just want to see somebody run. Well, nobody would do it. So, then you don’t get to see it. So, then when you get to see the absurdity, it’s pretty cool. Yeah. Do Do you remember when Rowdy tried to test him in Toronto in like May? I thought I honestly think on the right turf and the right balance Barger could throw a guy out at first base. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if it’s Kirky. Yeah. Ryan, thanks again, man. Appreciate it. No problem. Thanks, guys. 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