Jets Talent Is Awful, Coaching Might Not Be

Jets Talent Is Awful, Coaching Might Not Be

that one Jets drive, the decision with Glenn to receive the football and then drive it right down the Patriots throats, the huge, you know, taking time off the clock, that would be their model to win games this year. Not sustainable in that game against one of the best teams, if not the best team, certainly in the AFC with the New England Patriots. But at least that would give you something to hope for. They kept the game close. They didn’t they didn’t cover. If you bet the Jets, they didn’t cover. I thought that they did. I mean, they did cover. I’m sorry. They did. Yeah. All right. So, listen. I I can’t get mad at something that I’ve got no expectations for. I mean, that that’s really the simplest way to evaluate this game last night. Now, I I know and just, you know, knowing the way it’s been here with Joe and on occasion me and others like that the Jet rants are are fun and sometimes they’re they’re interesting. There’s nothing to rant about. I mean, right now, I mean, the Jets talent disparity is massive. So, you’ve got to look for smaller things that kind of give you a sense of whether or not Aaron Glenn could grow into that that role as the right guy. And you know, it’s funny. It’s a little thing, but when they won the coin toss and they received the football, and I know you just said that, I’m like, whoa. I’m like, that’s interesting. Right. Even before they scored, I’m thinking, I like this one. I did, too. Because what you’re doing is you’re saying, all right, man. You had 12 yards passing going into the fourth quarter in in the game against the Browns. Go out there. I’ve got some confidence in you. 14 plays, 70 plus yards, five first downs. Even when Glenn, remember when he called the timeout on third and six, remember that he was running toward the ref and there was an execution. It was a pass after that. They got the first down. Like again, you we’ve got to dig deep to find some positives here. But I I thought the Jets competed, you know, I thought the Jets played hard. They’re just incredibly short on talent. They got around Drake May. They couldn’t get him down outside of Germaine Johnson once. Drake May is is God. He’s going to be a handful for well over a decade. I don’t know what you expect. The Jets came, they fought, they gave you a game. The better team won. They gave more than I expected. And I guess Rammy said the line was 12 and a half. So you were right. They didn’t. In my mind, for some reason, I thought it was 14 or maybe it was going to go that way. Hey, I thought I had it right. You didn’t cover. They did not cover that game. So 12 was the line. Uh, it went off at 12 and 1/2. Okay, that’s what Ramy said. Okay. I did not look at the line. I was looking at I thought the Patriots were going to win by 20. So I was looking at alternate lines. So that’s why I got tweet. So I the decision to me right out of the get go right out of the gate from the get-go there with Aaron Glenn I liked it because it’s different. It’s outside the box. Forget the result. It’s easy to come on and say it after they scored the touchdown. But even the announcer like that’s odd. The offense can’t move the football and yet they’re deciding to to take the ball here to start the game. That’s why I liked it because it wasn’t Aaron Glenn sitting in some box looking at the analytics saying, “Okay, well we’re going to kick we’re going to defer and then we’ll get the ball to half.” No, he felt with their game plan going in, you know what, we want to receive the football here and let’s see what we can do. And they had that scripted drive and it was perfect. Now, you wish you could do that. It’s clearly not sustainable with all the runs with Justin Fields, although I would try to do a little bit more, but that is their formula to have a chance to compete in a game like that. As the game goes on, defense did do enough to slow down the Patriots. They were whatever. I mean, they’re under man. You know what it is at this point. I thought the schemes were fine. Couldn’t do enough to slow down the Patriots. they can’t overcome some of the penalties. The penalty on Brownley early on with the, you know, the body slam there once that happened and it’s early on and penalties are going to happen. They they it wasn’t a lot of them, but they’re not good enough anywhere close to good enough or talented enough to overcome a penalty like that. So once that happened, put the Patriots in a position to go right down the field and score the g, you know, tie the game with a touchdown and then everything changes from there. But I think it was an effort that you could be proud of if you’re a Jet fan. Yeah, I mean I I you know proud is is a boy. It’s it’s it’s that’s it seems like almost a bit of a stretch, but yeah, I I guess I do reach for that word as well, you know. I mean, you tell me you’re the Jeff. I do. I I just hate having that like that is such a loser mindset to be proud. But at this point, BT, that’s why I’m there and that’s why I’m okay with it now. I understand where they are. I see what Aaron’s trying to do. There was some evidence here, you know, you you put up almost 40 against a bad Bengals defense. You beat a bad Browns team. you had a couple of special team plays, which means, and I’ve said this before, that but during the bye-week that you, you know, you were buttoned up, you were ready to play, you were diligent in meetings, you were you were locked in on the practice field, you came out, you beat a a bad Browns team in the rain, and you came out and you were ready to play last night. So, that that’s a continuation of the of this this this template that he’s trying to create, you know, and I like that. Well, think about it this way. the I felt coming away from that game many times watching that game even though it was frustrating and obviously the p you know they got away from the Jets I was watching that game saying you know what I think the Jets are a wellcoached football team and that to me at this stage of where they’re at is more important than saying well they have a quarterback who can’t make a throw but we all know that Justin Fields had issues I’m not trying to pick on him he had issues in Chicago and clearly we’ve seen his deficiencies here they they have to get a quarterback. They will pick a quarterback. Now, will that be the right one? Who the hell knows? But I’m more concerned about, especially after starting 0 and seven and some of the ways that those games went. I’m more concerned about does Aaron Glenn know what he’s doing? And is he going to get this football team to play the right way, play hard, and be overmatched as a head coach, which is what a lot of people were saying after the 0 and7 start. I watched that game. I saw what I believe to be a well coached football team. I agree with that. And one other thing, too. So, and I I tweeted this before the before the game and I I said it obviously on the show like I wanted we both thought they’d get stomped. We both thought that, right? We said that before we signed off and I wanted to see before the stompage began and even though it really didn’t, but in my mind it would. I wanted to at least see an aggressive like I want to see you go there and look to win, not go there and look to not get blown out like Robert Sal did so many times. And that listen that plays into taking the ball which is very unconventional. You know I I wanted to see anytime there was a and they didn’t have many of these. Anytime there was a fourth and short situation go for it. I wanted to see a trick play. They tried that with the pass to Justin Fields. So when now there’s still and I I’ll throw out a number probably 18 to 22 players on this roster that will maybe more that will not be here whenever they hit whatever they’re going to hit with Aaron. But the 20 or 25 or 30 who are, this is how you build a winning team. Hey, we’re we’re here to win, guys. We’re not here to avoid getting embarrassed. And it’s it’s it’s a shift in mindset. I feel it. I recognize it. I like some of the things Glenn’s done. And again, proud sounds like a loser. Yeah. But but but I I I’m okay with that. How about happy there’s so much inferior to this team? How about happy with the direction with the foundation being built? I mean, think about where we were 3 weeks ago prior to the Jets winning a game to where we are now. They want to and I can minimize it all all I want. Like the Bengals stink, the Browns stink. Yeah. But the Jets found a way to win those games and that makes things easier to try to change the culture and build a foundation. Then when you go up against a team of the Patriots that nobody really gave you a chance to win and you at least fight, to your point, fight and show that you do some good things. And then you realize when you watch the game, they just don’t have anywhere near enough whether it be defensively, offensively. Yeah. They just don’t have anywhere near enough to compete with the Patriots. And I was surprised that the score was actually as close as it was. I think it’s more encouraging where you you could look at this team and say they’re a well coached football team. You could see the foundation being built here. Now, the expectations are going to raise significantly in year two. They’re going to have to get some pieces. We know they were set up in the draft. I would be excited and very hopeful from a Jets perspective about the future because I think all you could ask in year one is exactly what we’ve seen now the last 3 four weeks. Yes. The one criticism that I do have for Aaron is you know and and this is a a bigger conversation meaning nothing for the season but just in terms of like messaging and accountability. You know Justin Fields can’t start anymore. you know, if we’re here for evaluation, right, and you want to get a real look at, you know, some of the new receivers, obviously Mitchie and Mitchell, uh Mitchell, he’s got something wrong with his hands or what? Yeah, I mean, I I I still want to see that. Well, that’s why I want to see Tyrod Taylor play. Like, I want to see him get fed the football. I think he’s a lot better than he showed last night. I know he had some bad moments. I’m not making excuses, man. The one throw that that Justin made down the sideline, he dropped it, you know, 40 yards through a keyhole. You got to make that play. So Mitchell was bad, but I think he’s better than this. But you can even see his release off the line of scrimmage against Gonzalez, who’s one of, if not these, the second he’s like very fast. That’s what a real cornerback looks like. True, but forget there’s no doubt. But look at Mitchell’s drops. That’s obvious. A couple bad. It wasn’t like Field was putting the ball right on the money, but he’s got to make some of those catches. Of course, you got to help your guy out, but look at the release. There was there was at least two plays where Mitchell like went inside and then and then he took Gonzalez. He had a step on him. No, I want to keep playing him. Look, I I you just I know he can run the football, but he is woeful throwing the football. And I think there’s a little arrogance here. Uh because Justin Fields was Aaron Glenn’s guy. Now, we don’t know the exact influence of Woody telling Rogers to take a hike. We know that Glenn was the guy who had it dropped at his doorstep and Glenn said, “I can roll with Justin Fields. He’s got to make the determination that he just can’t play any that that I mean that’s me. I don’t know if he’ll bench him. It doesn’t matter big picture. But Mason Taylor, these receivers, they need to be in positions where they can make plays with a real quarterback the final two months of the season. BT and S on the fails get some calls here or friends at Town Tire. Remind you to the Town Fair Tire. You always get the guaranteed lowest price on name brand tires from Connecticut to Maine. Nobody beats Town Fair Tire. Nobody. Josh starts us off in Queens. What’s up, Josh? Josh boys, I hate calling after a loss so much and I feel like I’ve been doing that for 15 years. And let me tell you, let me let me tell you, I’ll give you a couple of stats. First off, this secondary is god atrocious. Jason Brownley Jr., whatever his name is, has no business being on that field. I disagree with that. I like his physical style and his attitude. He got schooled, guys. He got schooled. so many times last night Steven on that on that out route. There was one out route to Douglas. He got schooled. Fields can’t throw at all. I don’t blame AD Mitchell except for that deep post that you guys talked about at the That was a 40 yard post. That was the only Josh. Let me ask you something. All right, let me Josh, hold on. Let me let me ask you something. What did you expect to happen last night? Honestly, if Tyrod Taylor was in the game and the way the way that this team Yeah. Here we go. BT exact way that this team started is I’m telling you, Tyrod Taylor would have at least had at least three scoring drives. I’m not saying they would have won, but it would have looked like a competent offense. And the other thing, here’s the stats. Here’s the last stat that I got for you. You ready? And it pains me when I say this because they played the Patriots. Tom Brady since 2020 has 33 wins. Tom Batty’s been retired for two years. The Jets have 27. We understand the two Josh. Come on, man. Dude, what do you think? We’re new to this game. I mean, we understand the plight of the Jets more than anybody. You can’t be frustrated. I’m sorry. You can’t be fr I told you before the season started. It’s not about wins or losses. I get it. From a fan perspective, you want to win. This is about bigger picture. It’s about building a foundation. What’ you expect? They weren’t winning that game. There were two touchdown underdogs. They did better than most people thought last night. And you’re right, maybe if Tyrod Taylor played I’m I’m I don’t even want to go down that road, but we could. If they had a real quarterback, put it that way, they would have competed. That’s a big if. Obviously, that’s a big piece. But they they they don’t have enough talent. That’s not where you’re supposed to be in year one with a new GM and a new head coach. You’re not supposed to be winning games. You’re supposed to be building a foundation of getting guys to play the game the right way, the hard way. Play smart football. And they’ve progressively gotten better as the season has gone on. What more do you want? Think about year one, Tom Fibido. That that’s the model. Yes, exactly. Now, they have the results, but that just happened to be circumstance. And they don’t even have a Julius Randle on this team. Well, they do. He’s not playing Garrett Wilson. So, yeah, I I I’m I’m with you. I mean, if last night or even now Aaron’s had some moments before the end of the first half, there’s been some things that we’ve talked about decision-wise that that he’s messed up, but it’s gotten a little bit cleaner as the year’s gone on. If we’re sitting here today and he butchered timeouts before like and it was just like coaching ineptitude like 101 like god this guy’s a mess. That is a different level of concern. That that that should spark a fiery reaction. Losing and being much more competitive than they were supposed to be and yelling about something that it it it it it’s not applicable is the height of idiocy for me. like, you know, I’m not gonna get mad if if I don’t shoot a 75 in golf because I suck, right? You got to understand this stuff. So, this is big picture and big ticket stuff. Uh, I thought Mitchell was bad last night. I thought Meyers, the center, had a lot of bad snaps. I thought Brownley was bad. I mean, all right. So, you want a couple of things so I could actually pull out from the game. All right. There you go. There you go. Justin Fields can’t throw. And if you can’t throw in, you couldn’t if if if you threw like this in 1959, you wouldn’t have a lot of success in the NFL, let alone 2025. Sports talk on the Fan presented by Paramount Plus streaming November 16th on Paramount Plus. It’s the return of Land Man from Taylor Sheridan. Co-creator of Yellowstone, Academy Award winner Billy Bob Thordon is back featuring Academy Award nominees Dei Moore, Andy Garcia, and Sam Elliott. Land Man streaming November 16th only on Paramount Plus. Chris is in Yoners. What’s up, Chris? How are you guys doing? What’s up, Chris? Good. How are you? I uh I’ve been listening to your show now for the past year and I love it. You guys are very very accurate and a lot of your opinions and the show is great. All right, long story short, uh I felt I thought the Jets were going to get blown out last night. I’m I’m talking like 42 to 14 427, but they really showed me that they uh I mean they hung in there. I mean I mean the score wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be. So how do you guys feel about that? Well I mean that’s pretty much what we’ve been saying and you know just and and thanks for the call there Chris and appreciate you listening to us for the last year or so. Thank you. Is he really listening though? I think well we 15 minutes we just said how we felt about it. That’s a funny that’s a good observation. Yeah. I mean listen I listen to you guys all the time all the time. What did you just say? I don’t know what you just said. Go back on the free app and listen again. I I think that something else that that I think should be said now again very limited here but Tanner Shran the OC now it didn’t work well against Miami when Brilland Island fumbled at the one but the Jets are now showing a proclivity I mean the in the I have to define that one thing the the Jets are now sh they’re now showing an ability here to come out when you script the first 15 20 plays to at least do something and a lot of times they’re finding the end zone and think about how many times they had a stat last night that I I don’t even remember what it was, but it was not good obviously cuz it was attached to the Jets. It was something along the lines of the last I don’t know since 2022, whatever the hell it is. You know, the last 50 something opening drives the Jets had seven touchdowns and like 36 punts and nine turnovers. Just gross. like whatever the ratio was, you’re at least seeing the ability to, you know, draw draw something up based on the limited talent that they do have and go out there and move the ball the first series. To me, this is a pretty normal, if not actually good, first year for a new GM and a rookie head coach that has taken over a team that didn’t have a quarterback, wasn’t very good, obviously disarray, and then traded away arguably two of their most talented players uh at the trade deadline. Think about how we got here. Week one was a terrific performance. Okay, everybody was excited, all accounting, terrific against a good Steelers. The Bills game was like, uhoh, back to maybe being what we thought we were going to be. They competed in the Bucks game. You could argue they should have won that game. That was ugly, but still losing by two points to a very good Bucks team on the road in Tampa Bay. The Miami game, a great first drive ended with a fumble on the goal line. Changed the whole thing. By the way, maybe Miami is not as bad as we thought. The way that Miami just pounded Buffalo, the Jets lose by six points in Miami. The Dallas game, okay, you, you know, got away from a little bit and Dallas scored a ton of points. Ugly. Again, not pretty. Denver game, one of the good football teams in a league. Close game, ugly football game, but they lose by two points. I thought the Panther game was horrific. Panthers again aren’t as bad as at least I thought and maybe as as everybody thought coming in. Un unacceptable, inexcusable, pathetic performance at home. It happens. Then they win the next two games against the Bengals and Browns. And now they compete against one of the best teams. When you look at it in total, and I’m not judging it based off of the win loss record, which is not good, but I actually don’t think it’s as bad as it seemed. was only that bad because it was 0 and7. Had they locked into a win or two, it would be a normal year one when you’re trying to build a foundation with a new regime. Well, yes. And here’s the other thing that’s going on. This is actually a real rebuild. This is what a real rebuild looks like. It’s not pretty. There’s not many good players. It’s a complete resetting of the finances, the draft capital, and the expectations. And and I know Jet fans are out there saying, “Well, we’ve been through this before. Not like this. We haven’t.” You know why? Because the Jets always half step their rebuilds. Well, we’re going to rebuild, but we’re going to give Le’Veon Bell real money. And and and we’re going to rebuild, but we’re going to get and CJ Mosley was a very good pro, but we’re going to give CJ Mosley big money. We’re going to rebuild. Let’s bring in Aaron Rogers here to try to get us over the uh o over the goal line here. Oh, yeah. By the way, even though things are going ary here, let’s bring in Devonte Adams and make a trade for him mid-season and hope that the ship doesn’t sink. That is not a rebuild. That is a desperate act by men trying to save jobs and take shortcuts. I think Aaron based on what happened in Detroit and really based on what happened when he was here with the cold titan parcels, he knows what is required for a real authentic rebuild. Jet fans, if you don’t have the appetite for it, I get it. I do. So, I’m okay with it. BT on the fan, WFA and NFL

The Jets stunned everyone by taking the ball to start the game and marching right down the field on the Patriots. BT and Sal break down why Aaron Glenn’s surprising decision actually mattered, how that scripted drive showed a rare spark, and why the night turned into yet another reminder of the team’s talent gap.

In this segment, the guys dig deep into the few positives, question Justin Fields’ long term future, debate the Jets coaching direction, and explain why what we saw is part of a real rebuild. They also take calls from frustrated fans and try to reset expectations for the rest of the season.

Chapters
00:00 Jets shock everyone by receiving the kickoff
01:06 Glenn shows confidence in his offense
02:21 Why the opening drive mattered
03:12 Competing without enough talent
04:40 The coaching foundation being built
06:16 Why the Jets need a real QB
08:02 The Tyrod Taylor debate
10:06 Fan reaction and expectations
12:03 What year one of a real rebuild looks like

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