RINK WIDE POST-GAME: Vancouver Canucks vs Calgary Flames | Game #23 – Nov. 23, 2025

RINK WIDE POST-GAME: Vancouver Canucks vs Calgary Flames | Game #23 – Nov. 23, 2025

The lifeless Canucks get torched by the flames. 52 the final at Rogers Arena. We’re breaking it down on Rinkquad Vancouver. [Music] [Applause] [Music] And we welcome you inside the Pacific Toyota dealer studios. Visit shoptoyota.ca or your local Pacific Toyota dealer today. I’m Jeff. He’s Irf. We didn’t discuss the outfits, but we’re kind of dressed the same. Uh, look, you may have given up on the hockey club. Don’t give up on us here at Rinkwide. We always say we work with the material presented. And the Vancouver Conucks gave us lots to talk about. Unfortunately, not a lot of good. It’s going from bad to worse for this hockey club that’s lost three straight. Has just one win in its last seven games. And boy are that second period maybe as lifeless as this hockey club has looked 23 games into the National Hockey League season. Yeah, they didn’t have a pulse and they were supposed to be the fresher team off of just playing Thursday night against the Dallas Stars in what might have been their best game of the season, albeit in a loss. Calgary playing the other night, travel in Vancouver, supposed to have the dead legs, this that and the other and they took it to the Vancouver Canucks in every single aspect of the game. offense, defense, special teams. Um the Canucks just didn’t show up and you we like we said, you know, we work with the material that’s given in front of us on this night. This is who this Vancouver Canuck team is. They can hang around kind of, but this is this team like they’re just not built to to have playoff success. They’re not built to contend for a Stanley Cup. And things are going like you just mentioned from bad to really really really worse in a in a hurry. Rquired Vancouver brought to you in part by Bet 365. We’ll have our line of the night a little later on in the program. Of course, we want to hear from you. And there is lots to get to here. Your frustration level. What do you do if you are the coach of this team with the roster you’ve got and the management of this team with the roster that you have assembled, keeping in mind that there are almost 60 games to go in this long National Hockey League season. Knock-k knockock. That is US Thanksgiving calling on Thursday. And uh you know the story if you follow the National Hockey League where you are at US Thanksgiving a pretty good indication of where you’re going to finish and the Conucks are so far from the playoff bar as it stands right now. And as we said three straight losses, one win in seven. So 14 and two in their last seven hockey games on the season, 912 and two. That’s nine victories in 23 games. And this home ice record in shambles. The fans, you deserve so much better than this hockey club puts forth on a nightly basis in front of the home fans. And a weekend where the Vancouver Golden Eyes burst onto the scenes in spectacular fashion, full house at the Coliseum. Nothing but rave reviews. And that was just the undercard for what came on Saturday night. And you and I were both at BC Place. 53,000. An incredible show. The city is still buzzing about the White Caps and their performance and their win. And then this this was a chance for the White Caps or the Conucks rather to hold their own to some degree. They weren’t going to match the drama obviously of playoff soccer and a playoff victory for the White Caps. But it was a chance for the Canucks to check off boxes here. Friday night, win for the Golden Knights. Uh Saturday night, win for the White Caps. Sunday, sitting there on a platter for them, and they fall flat on the face, throw up all over themselves. They lose by a score of 5 to2 and now have three wins in 11 home ice games. So, want to hear from you. Bring us some super chats. So, we’ll read them on air here as we work our way through this program. I kind of get the feeling this will be less about the game itself and more big picture items with this Vancouver Hockey Club that is swirling the drain here uh as things go and showing no signs of of getting a whole lot better. Our super chat charity partner this season, the BC Mental Health Foundation, changing the face of mental health and addiction by supporting breakthroughs in care, public understanding, research, and knowledge exchange. Already a couple of super chats. Uh, this one from Justice. Can we just get rid of Kane yet? Seriously, don’t get why we have this guy. Takes stupid penalties, misses every shot, doesn’t have a physical presence most nights. He is awful. Um, we’ll have lots of time to get into individuals here, but I think for the first little while here, uh, just want to sort of stay on the the broader topic of this hockey club and and where it’s at, and on a night like tonight where the Calgary Flames, one of the few teams beneath the Canucks in the standings, having played the night before, but so much more than that or they were in Chicago and Buffalo midweek. This was four and six for them. They touched every time zone in the National Hockey League since the Canucks played that game in Florida on Monday. So, the Conucks have been sitting here at home, fresh, rested. Uh they’re served up this Calgary team. Calgary to the credit, they won three in a row. They have four wins in their last six. Like, they’re showing some signs of life. They work hard and getting enough to get the job done. And the Vancouver Conucks, where do you go from here? One forward had a point in this hockey game. The goalie had a point. Both goals coming from defenseman. So, shame on the forward group. But they open the scoring 65 seconds in on a lovely goal from Philip Heronic. Like things started the way the It wasn’t like they fell behind and oh, it’s not going to be their night. They get the start they wanted. Phil Heronic, who by the way, like if I asked you right here, right now to name the Conucks MVP 23 games into the season, how how short would the list be before you got to Philip Heronic? Yeah. Which again, good for him playing hard, showing up most nights, doing his thing, and scoring in this hockey game. But I mean, it just speaks to how few other options there are around this group, the underperformance of so many players. And in a city that has bent over backwards here to praise a guy like Elias Patterson, he was dreadful in this hockey game. Mhm. He had lots of company, so it’s not fair just to single him out. And the super chat was about a Vander Kane, and he was dreadful in this hockey game, too. And Brock Ber, he was pretty bad. I mean, it just on and on it goes. So, they couldn’t feed off the energy of the early goal. They had a power play moments later, did nothing with it and allowed the Flames to get back into this game. Two goals 35 seconds apart. Morgan Frost and Connor Zerry. And again, just crappy defensive zone coverage. By the way, your Vancouver Conucks uh given up five in this hockey game for the eighth time already this season. Dropped to dead last in the NHL again in goals against. They have moved past the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Edmonton Oilers and the other teams that struggle defensively. The Conucks are number 32 defensively or maybe that’s number one. I’m not Anyways, that’s you’re at the wrong end of that list and it just speaks volumes to this team that was supposed to be built on its goalending and its defense and its structure and that has gone so far out the window here and of all the and look lots of nights. Yeah, they worked hard, they’re just not good enough. This thing was a mess and it got off to a decent start and they couldn’t do anything with it. It was embarrassing. It It really was. I mean, forget everything that happened over the weekend and and and all that for a second. You’re playing a team that is below you in the standings. I There’s only two of them now um in the standings that just played the night before. You haven’t played since Thursday. And like I said off the top, you played one of your best hockey games of the season. Where was that team? How does it disappear so insanely different from one night to the other with this hockey club? Like, did they not get up for the game? Clearly can’t say that. They scored 65 seconds in. They were ready to play. And then what? And then they just let the Flames take over. Like the Conucks got schooled. And on more nights than not, that’s exactly what’s happening. And it starts, you know, with with the way this team is constructed. It it it it really does. And then it goes, you know, a lot of people are, you know, putting the playing game on the head coach as, you know, rightfully so. But at the end of the day, this is also on the players, too. Like their roster is more it on paper, it is better than the Calgary Flames roster. It has to be. But what if you look top end talent to top end talent? Vancouver Conucks probably have a better roster than the Calgary Flames. Ir the Conucks just got schooled by the Calgary Flames and Quinn Hughes played more than half of this hockey game which like why when you’re into garbage time. I know the Conucks haven’t played a lot here, but they didn’t need Quinn Hughes playing 30 minutes in this hockey game. No, yeah, he scores moments after Blake Coleman scores the short-handed goal. Uh second goal of the season for both Heronic and Hughes. They haven’t got much in the way of goal scoring from the defenseman. And yet on this night, both goals come from defenseman. And as we said, just one assist, Jake De Brusk, the only point from a Canuck forward. So, uh, you’d have to go back like on nights when the team isn’t shut out to get just a single point from a forward. Uh, nobody was going. There wasn’t a single guy going and it got to the point in the third where Adam Foot made some minor changes, but you know, the coach can’t get let off the hook here. He is not blessed with a ton to work with, but I am starting to question more and more uh the decisions he makes, the deployment he makes, the fact that it took until the third period to see some sort of coach’s decision with Aander Kane, who has gone eight games without a goal, did nothing in this hockey game other than take a silly penalty in the second period and just wouldn’t stop jawing. first at the Flames and then I think at the referees like how about you sit him right then and there and just say like this isn’t working and you can’t keep doing this and it’s a team game and he can’t go rogue and I think that was part of the concern when they made the trade for Evander Kane was this guy’s got the potential to go rogue on a lot of nights now he hasn’t generally but this one he seemed to veer from the script and uh I don’t know Then Brock Besser, who’s had a nice start to the season and generally gives you what he can, but that’s an inexcusable turnover on the power play. Like it’s a 20 foot pass that you make a 100 times a game and you can’t complete that pass and then the problems compound and EP 40 gets beaten by Coleman in the neutral zone to the front of the net. They score. Canucks get another power play. Guess what? Brock Besser is right back out there again. The game’s getting away from them. If ever there was a time to send some sort of message and even if it’s not a message to Brock Besser, sometimes guys just have to take it on the chin, right? Y the message sending is to the rest of the group and you’re using a particular player. And if guys are just going to get run right back out there and told that what they did was okay, then what are we doing here? Like seriously, what are we doing here for the rest of this season? I think that he has no other options and that’s what he thinks when he looks, Jeff. And I mean to be quite frank, he doesn’t, right? And you know, you’re in a game, you’re I’m trying to see it from the way that he was trying to do it. But I totally agree with you. Um and you hope that there’s some sort of accountability for all of this. Is it on the head coach? Is it is it within the players? I mean, you can only say that, oh, we played bad so often or that can’t happen. There there has to be more. There has to be a lot more. You know, Le Person spoke to the media. I can’t remember what game it was, and said, “I need to be better. I need to have better face off.” That’s that’s good accountability. You want to see that. Kind of want to see it from your head coach as well. Kind of want to see it from some of these other players when when they meet the media and then and and they speak as well. I I’m curious to hear and hopefully we’ll get a chance to bring you Adam Foot’s postgame. Uh because he’s tried to find the positives through a lot of these losses, but at some point that rings hollow. And at some point you want to believe that the coach sees the same things that you an educated fan base and an in tune market sees. And when it’s an effort like it was in the second period particularly like I I want to hear the coach call out his team and let his fan base know the people that are shelling out big bucks. We saw Saturday at BC Place what winning looks like, what winning feels like. And again, three victories in 11 home games now and I wasn’t at the game tonight, but you and I watched it here in studio. Time winds down in the third period. Like I don’t think they got booed off the ice. I is that apathy setting in already? Like people It kind of felt like people don’t care. Maybe we’re at that point. Uh that’s a dangerous place for the Vancouver Conucks to be when other teams in the market are selling ton of tickets and a ton of merch. Um well, when you’re getting the second period effort of mentioned fans not caring, they didn’t care. This feels like a night, and I this is sort of inside and people probably don’t care too much, but this feels like a night where Quinn Hughes and Elias Patterson and Brock Besser and Tyler Myers, the veterans, the leaders on this team, should have been waiting inside that locker room to answer for a performance like this one. And again, I wasn’t in that room, so I don’t know how it all went down, how it all played out, but there are nights where Henrik Sadine had to do that and Bo Horvette had to do it a bunch of times. And we got a super chat as well that comes from uh Carl says, “Look suspiciously like a Willie de Jardan, Brandon Sutter, Lynden Veer game.” And that is not a compliment. And uh yeah, you’re right. Um not much to get excited about outside of the opening 65 seconds. and all went downhill from there. So, poor Lynon Vay just is catching a stray. Yes. Unfortunately, he represents an arrow though. Uh had to have him. Medicine hat. Um another one super chat from JT Miller went in. Suspiciously don’t think it’s actually uh JT Miller, but it says this is to help cover the costs of your anti-depressants. Um, look, we’re not going to make light of uh medical issues on this program. So, we thank you for the contribution, but uh uh we’ll try and raise the level of our super chats as we work our way through this program. Uh all I know is what they’re putting on the ice right now isn’t enough. And we gave them credit for playing hard through that gauntlet run of six games and all the travel and the all the travel in the first 20 games. This week was supposed to be different. And it was supposed to look different. It was supposed to feel different at home in their own beds, home cooking, nights off, days off, practice days, all that kind of stuff. And then they come out and just crap the bed like this one. The effort was there against Dallas and that you’re right, like you’re right to point it out. I think people were okay with the effort against the Dallas Stars. Let a game get away in the third period that was tied 2-2. Here, this game got away from them in the second period. goal from Kevin Ball that deflected in off Tom Valander skate and then Jerger Sharon Govich who’s been a healthy scratch at times for the Flames. Uh why not? He piles on here, bats a pack out of the air after Kevin Lanin and made a save but spills a rebound there. Uh had another super chat here that talked about Kevin Lankin and I want to get to uh where is it here? Um from Justice, a second super chat from Justice. So again, thanks for weighing in. Lank has been rough lately. Rebound control seems to be an issue. Hope he finds his game again. We’re in need of some saves right now with this team. And uh yeah, uh I I would agree with that. Um you know, the Coleman goal short-handed seemed to get right through him. One hand on the stick and he’s able to redirect that one in. Didn’t love that goal. Um there were defensive breakdowns like I look at the Zer goal that made it two to one. Atu Rat, it hits atu ratu in front and sort of stops in the slot and then Ratu has lost. He doesn’t pick up Zerry as he jumps to the front of the net on the rebound and got to do better defensively and that looked like a lot of goals that the Conucks have given up this season just standing around too many guys in and around the blue paint but nobody’s taking men, nobody’s taking the puck and would you know at opponents pounce and at that point it was two to one and the Flames were off to the races. Yeah. And look there’s just no push back. Zero. You we talked about it last game that you know we surprised that Vanderane hasn’t dropped the gloves yet or someone do something like anything. Yep. Run a guy. take a two-minute penalty. Do something. Give yourself more than just yelling and yapping at guys. Like, I hear you. You know what I mean? And maybe not just on him. It’s it’s other guys in the lineup as well. But this is the type of loss, I’m not saying it’s going to happen, that gets someone fired. I I think we’ve seen in recent history where or where you look at teams in the National Hockey League, the way things have been trending in a direction for teams and the way that they believe that they can be or where they should be. These are types of losses that someone gets that someone gets the boot. I’m not saying it’s going to happen here in Vancouver. I’m not reporting anything. But if things keep going sideways, something’s got to give. Well, I want to get to the idea of change here, short-term change, and we’ll get there momentarily, but do have to get the three stars. They’re brought to you by Greta Bar YVR. My daughter was at Greta on Saturday night. She’s heard me talking about it. She asked me about it. Heard her about your friends. Anyone checked out Greta and sounded like they had a good time. So there you go. Gretavar, they got you covered. Fun staff, terrific atmosphere. You walk through that front door, you know that you’re somewhere special and something a little bit different as well with all the arcade games, the big screens to watch all the games on TV if you’re hungry. Greta, well, they got the incredible street food menu, weekly and game day drink specials. We’ve got fun there or we have fun there with our Kucks Army watch parties and we got more of those coming up. So, uh, Greta Bar, place to be 50 West Cordova. Gretavar, let the games begin. The three stars in the building. Rasmus Anderson, Blake Coleman, and Quinn Hughes gets a nod as the third star. Sorry, clean sweep here. And maybe that’s us making some sort of statement. Uh no Kox among the stars in this hockey game even though the captain played over 30 minutes and scored. Just can’t get there. Uh he’s a fixture in our three stars most nights, but uh had to remove him. So uh Rasmus Anderson, three assists, plus four, making things happen. still a flame. At some point he’s going to get moved, but he was a flame and he was a good flame. Uh in this hockey game, Blake Coleman with a goal and an assist. Good hustle. And again, if you watch the replay there, Pety’s got like two full steps on him in the neutral zone and again it was a bad turnover by Brock, but uh there’s enough to go around and just need a better effort and it sort of summed up the night. So Coleman hustling to the puck, a short-handed goal, and he’s the second star. Nasam Cad does what Nasam Cadri’s been doing for a while. Um, you know, he leads the Flames in scoring. He picks up two more assists here. Primary assist on the Kevin Ball goal, secondary assist on the Sharon Govage one, but also uh was a menace in the faceoff circle. Won seven of nine faceoffs as the Flames uh Oh, that’s funny that the the night ends. Um, the Flames winning 51% of the draws. I guess the Conucks must have won some late faceoffs and Elias Person won a few late faceoffs. At one point, EP40 had won two of 17 faceoffs. A lot’s been made about him digging in and, you know, learning just through sheer volume because he’s taking so many faceoffs and now they’ve got other guys that can take some of the load off. He got crushed. He ends up 6 and 16. That’s 27%. Um, Atu had a nice night at 9 and two, but Nasam Cadri among the best of the bunch for the Calgary Flames, winning seven of the nine faceoffs he took. So, there you go. Those are the three stars. Clean sweep for the Calgary Flames. And that sort of tells a story of this night. The three stars brought to you by Gretabar YBR. Well, the Canucks couldn’t even sniff a three star. And Quinn Hugh shouldn’t even have played 30 minutes in this hockey game. Like, you’re so right about that where you’re in a game that’s completely out, gone. You’re gone to the wayside. Whatever it is, you don’t need to be playing Quinn Hughes on 30 minutes. It just doesn’t need to happen. And that goes back to obviously coaching and Adam Foot. Maybe he’s in over his head. like what what is happening right now with some of the decisions that are being made by the head coach of this hockey team. Um this hockey team right now isn’t built in a way where they can go and you know easily demolish and and and beat teams. They’re just not good enough. You look at the Canucks’s best center was Atu Ratu nine and two in the faceoff circle. So if at Ratu is your best center, David Camp’s supposed to be your second line center. Yeah. Like Elise Person had three shot attempts. didn’t even hit the net in a game against the Calgary Flames. I know. And four power plays and I know they score a power play goal. Queen off the rush there, but like no shots on goal again for Elias Peterson on the power play. It’s weird why like they had the five on three the other night. Didn’t have a shot on the five on three. No shots on the power play here. Um but the issues are much bigger than whether PD had a shot on the power play in a game like this one. And I’m giving him credit. He’s playing very well last week. Last night, this was not a very good night for him. Uh, and he had a lot of company. Uh, we’ve got a bunch of super chats. That’s great. We really do appreciate and I know the BC Mental Health Foundation does as well. So, let’s uh just roll through a bunch of them. Spatilly says there’s no bad game when you view it at Gretar YVR. Yeah, we agree with that. Smasher 66, rebuild, baby. Rebuild if the owner lets them. Uh, Justice to everyone yelling they should have kept Silovs with retrospect. Yeah, but at the time it made sense as Silv sucked at the NHL level. Uh Lank was solid and Demco was on the men. Sucks, but it happens. Seen that a lot that oh they should have kept Arter Silvs again like they couldn’t keep them all and they had committed to Lankenan and at the time they committed to Lincoln around the four nations. Articul had like one NHL victory last year. Like he wasn’t very good in the NHL. He got on a run in the playoffs. It was fun to watch. which was great for him. There’s a world though last year if Yerry Patera doesn’t get injured early in Abbottzford. Like he might have been the guy that got called up to the NHL and then returned to Abbottzford and be the number one guy down there and Arer Silvas may have watched that playoff run from the bench. I mean would have could have. It didn’t happen that way. But anyhow, Silvas is in Pittsburgh. Uh what’s done is done and there’s no going back there. Uh Shane says, “The apathy inside the arena is palpable. I watch home games from the 500 level. The lack of understanding from the Canucks D. It’s glaring. Does that responsibility fall on Adam foot?” And this is another super chat that comes from Free Pey that says, “Abandon the mano amano D like yesterday.” I think 23 like Adam Foot may have come to this job with an idea of the way he wanted his team to play. If most of these 23 games have been an indication of his system, either this personnel can’t play his system or can’t grasp his system, certainly not executing his system. And so the idea that you’re just going to keep doing this for the remaining 59 games of the season, like part of being a coach at this level is being adaptable and finding things that work for the personnel you’ve got. Again, he is not blessed with the best roster in the National Hockey League. That was even when guys were fully healthy and we know what’s happened here. But this is his team and he has to find a way a to make them care every night and look like they do and then show up and give an effort that may not be good enough to win every game, but should have been good enough to win this hockey game. We use identity a lot when talking about teams and and in team sports. It’s hard to find what the Vancouver Conucks identity is as a hockey team. Um you mentioned the system and the structure. What even is that? What type of system does he want to play? There’s been zero shines signs of them showing that type of Adam foot system or him having his fingerprints on the game. Some games the defense look good. Yeah, he plays Quinn Hughes a lot. That’s part of the problem, too, is that you’ve got one of the best defenseman in the NHL playing half the game and you’re still getting skated circles around by the Calgary Flames. By the Calgary Flames. Uh, one more super chat here. Um, well, there’s two more actually that I wanted to get to. Demaniac says, “If this doesn’t make management rethink team personnel, I don’t know what will.” And then super chat from A, just the letter A. Do you guys think the conduct should tank? The more I watch this group, the more I think this is a stealth tank. I think they now recognize that this forward group just isn’t anywhere close to good enough. And so there was nothing stealth about their performance here. No, but again, like there’s very few reinforcements coming here. Teddy Bluger is back skating. Teddy Luger can step into this lineup certainly, but Nils Hoglander is still a few weeks away. I just don’t think he can bank on Philip Heedle returning this season at any point. There is no way that this management group should part with assets to bolster this roster at this stage. Absolutely not. So, at that stage, what are you left with? And it is a completely flawed roster. But if I was in charge first thing tomorrow morning, I would send Arch Deep Baines, Yuri Peter, and even Tom Valander back to Abbottzford. I would recall Jonathan Leer Mackey, Victor Mancini, and Nikita Toolo. Will these guys make any difference? Maybe, maybe not. But what you’ve got isn’t working. And it’s a privilege to play in the National Hockey League. It doesn’t do Ry Baines any good to sit in the press box for five straight games. Hasn’t played in two weeks now. Nope. He’s got to clear waiverss. I think he would. We’re talking about a swap of third and fourth string goalies. Again, not a big deal, but toilo played both games for Rabbzford over the weekend. By all accounts, played all right. Uh, bring him in here. They’ve got a backto-back coming up on this California road trip. Give him an NHL look. And Tom Lander’s been the least of the Canucks concerns. I understand that. But I also think he’s a young guy who probably should have been in the American Hockey League. and they called him up and he’s run with the ball here for a dozen games, but there’s nothing wrong with him going back to Abbottzford and playing playing a bunch and get Mancini in here. It’s a different look. I I just to me something’s got to give if your management just sitting on your hands and saying, “No, it’s fine. Everything’s fine. We’re just going to keep rolling out the same group.” You know what else I would do? This may sound totally counterintuitive. I’d commit to giving Lucas Reichel six games in a row on the wing. You’re getting nothing out of Evander Kane right now. You’re getting very little out of a Mackenzie McKern um Lucas Reich can’t even get in the lineup. But that’s what I’m saying. Like he he went from a misfit at center that didn’t work. And then reports said, “Oh, now they’re trying to basically give him away.” Well, before you do that, why don’t you play him in his natural position? Like, it can’t be any worse than tonight with the guys that were in the lineup. Absolutely. So, why don’t you actually take a look? Like, maybe as a winger, there’s something there. I don’t know, but it’s not going to hurt you at this stage before you actually trade him for less than you paid to get him. Commit to two weeks of just letting him play. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. It’s not going to cost you a playoff spot to put Lucas Reichel in your lineup for a couple of nights. No. And again, these are not solutions to the big picture here, but if this is a stealth tank, then if effectively you’re just moving the same sorts of pieces around, but it’s a different look at the very least. And again, rewarding the same guys night after night after night with a lineup spot in the National Hockey League. That doesn’t make sense to me. So, why not try a few different things? Cuz what you’re doing with one winning seven, it ain’t working for you. No, absolutely not. And I see you in the chat. We hear you. We definitely hear it. And you know, the team tank and this that and the other. Uh nothing is imminent. Nothing is going to is going to trading Quinn Hughes tomorrow or next week isn’t going to change anything. Now, there’s reports that came out about Quinn Hughes and if he’s going to resign, if if he wants to ask out. I truly believe that Quinn Hughes the conversations that were had is if it doesn’t get better, then things are going to have to change for me personally here in Vancouver. If that’s the case, you look at where they are here. We’re at my favorite time of the year where it’s US Thanksgiving this week and the Conucks are nowhere near a playoff spot. They’re the bottom three in the standings. Um, uh, does that look like if I’m Quinn Hughes, I have a chance to win in the next few years with this team right now? Probably not. So, as we inched closer to the deadline after the Olympic break, I think there’s going to be some serious consideration to a conversation that will have to be had with this with management or whoever’s in charge if it gets to that point about what to do with Quinn. Um, and and I definitely think that, you know, there there’s going to be some serious consideration for Quinn is to is this a place that he really wants to be long term? And for the Canucks, you look at your entire future. The only way a rebuild happens is if you trade if you trade Quinn Hughes and then you can look at other players. You can’t trade Demco. No one’s going to want him. I’m sorry. No one’s going to want a guy like that Demco just because he can’t stay healthy. Elias Person’s not going anywhere. But it’s going to be so wild to see if this management regime at the end of it, they can look at at the end of the season and all they’re left with is Leas Person, a $92 million contract and draft picks. Like, what are we doing here? I don’t know. I asked myself that question a lot right now. What are we doing here? We’re doing rinkwide. Uh what they’re doing down at the rink is another thing. Uh all right, we’re going to hear from Quinn Hughes in a sec, but I do want to get to the stat that stands out because this sort of falls uh into the category of a lot of things that we’ve talked about. The stat that stands out is delivered by Uber Eats. And Uber Eats is enabling fans to maximize their fandom all season long with exclusive game day deals on the app. And every time the Conucks are playing at home, you can get a buy one get one six-piece chicken McNuggets from McDonald’s in Vancouver only on Uber Eats. From game day eats to paper plates and napkins if you’re hosting to all the ingredients you need to make your favorite game day dip before, during, or after the game. Uber Eatats is assisting every fan’s hockey experience all season long. # crave the stats. And the stat that stands out, yeah, there it is. Big bold numbers. 15-1 in the last seven games at Rogers Arena. The home team is 15 and one. They got three wins on the season. One of them was against Calgary on opening night. Since then, it’s two victories in 10. And one of them was an overtime game against the Oilers and the other one was Columbus. Again, not exactly uh beating up on the best in the National Hockey League. Your three home wins are Calgary, Columbus, and overtime against the Edmonton Oilers, but I mean that sums it up. People are paying huge dollars to get out and support this hockey club. And the return on their investment is one victory in the last seven home games. That stands out. And even then, like furthering the record, the care factor in a game like this team was nowhere to be found after the first 65 seconds. Nowhere to be found. It was shocking. Again, for me, the turning point was probably the power play right after the one- nothing goal. If they get a goal there and they’re up two nothing, Calgary makes you know what, we played last night, we won. It’s just not our night kind of thing. But power play didn’t do a whole lot there. there. I think they had three shots on goal, but it didn’t look all uh that effective or threatening. And once the Flames killed that off, then they were able to turn the table. And you know, Morgan Frost gets his fifth of the year, 733, and 35 seconds after that, Connor Zerry, and you’re just left shaking your head at the defensive lapses, the zone coverage. Again, it’s all too familiar. Uh, and that was just kind of setting up. We’ve talked about the second period was inexcusable just as far as shots had one scoring chance in the second period. 20 minutes of play and they generated one scoring chance and it looked that way. But as much as we’ve singled out the second period, really it goes back to the middle stages of the first when the Flames turn the tide in this hockey game and you know it’s a a 30inut run that is pretty much unacceptable and then the third period’s garbage time. Let me ask you this. When you look at their record, the run of late, the what kind of has been going on, we talked about the gauntlet of teams that it was going to be tough for them to face. Was there signs of a game like this? Like, could you have seen some signs where where a game like this was going to happen at some point? Losing to the Winnipeg Jets, Colorado Avalanche. Like, we can see those Dallas Stars. Yeah. Yeah. I I I can I mean, that road trip they scored a bunch of what was it 14 goals on 50 shots or something like And we all said when that number cools and regulates, then offense is going to be a challenge and the defensive problems are still going to be on full display. And I think a night like tonight is perfect proof of that that they’re not getting bounces, they’re not getting um goals every five shots or whatever it was. Like they ended up out shooting Calgary 30 to 21. That doesn’t tell any kind of story on this night. Uh shots were 11 to three in the third period. Score effects in full control there. But in the second period, the shots were 116 for the Flames. And that looked and felt like the kind of period that it was. All right, let’s get inside this locker room. We haven’t heard any of this, so we’ll be listening along with you. Uh here is Kucks captain Quinn Hughes after a dispiriting 5-2 loss to the Calgary Flames. Yeah, I mean obviously uh not the result we wanted. Um yeah. Where do you think things went wrong for you? You guys had such good start. I mean obviously there in the second period. Um I mean I don’t know if uh we took three power plays there. One over the uh or one they had three power plays. One over the glass there. What that happens on sportsman like um I mean really good first and just uh fell fell apart there in a second a little bit. Quinn the uh your home ice record is another area of struggles. Is there any reason behind like why can you put into words why you guys struggle on home ice? Yeah, I don’t know. Um I have no idea. I mean know everyone’s trying hard and um yeah. Is the the power play goal tonight and the improved penalty killing something that Hussein can build off of going forward? I mean obviously uh we’re going to need our special teams to be good. Um, I mean hopefully the the penalty kill, we need the penalty kill, I need the power play, and we’re going to need the special teams to win us some games. So, I mean, I would hope so. How tough is it to give up a short-handed goal at that time of the game? Yeah, it’s tough, of course, but I mean, um, I don’t know how many shorties we’ve given up this year. You know, things are going to happen. Um, we’re going to give up another one this year. That’s just uh that’s just life. And obviously, we wish it didn’t happen at that point. It’s a shitty feeling, but happens. All right, there you go. Quinn Hughes, short on uh explanations for the effort and really just the overall state of this hockey club that’s now 912 and two. So, three games below NHL 500. And as we said, nine wins in 23. We’ll let you do the math. That’s uh not the kind of formula that’s going to get the Canucks to the playoffs. Now, a couple of things about Quinn there. One was asked about the home record. I mean, the home record is what it is. They’re not a very good team. Like, I think that part is clear now that yeah, somehow they’ve ground out some wins on the road and the road record looks respectable, but the road record at 65 and one, like even if that was the home record, they’d be around 500. They’d be close to the playoff bar, but they’d still have so much work to do over the long haul to be a playoff team. So, don’t get fooled into this idea that like they’re the best team in the league out on the road. Uh, but they are one of the worst teams, not the worst team. The Kings and the Rangers still stuck on just one home ice win as we approach the end of November. So, uh, there was that about the home record and then I I did like when he recounted the penalties that they took in the second period and the puck over the glass that happens and sportsman like I don’t have an explanation for it. No, I don’t think there’s a whole lot to say, but the silence kind of spoke volumes in that moment. Well, also I think look, I say this kind of jokingly as well. The entire idea and off season and everything was to have this magical plan to keep Quinn Hughes happy. That guy ain’t be ain’t happy in front of the media a lot lately. That guy is not in a good mood. And you can 100% tell. And even even on the ice, the visible frustration is out there. I mean, he’s out there all the time. So, we see it, but Courtney is not in a good mood. And why would you be, right? You’re you play your heart out every single night. I’m not saying that guys aren’t giving their all, but your team’s just not good enough. And you’re so much better than every other player on the roster. Another guy that’s supposed to be the best player has been a very good player in in in the last week, but there’s a lot of other guys on this hockey team after Quinn Hughes. And I think that that right there is one of the biggest problems that they have. Yeah. I mean, when I look at the Canucks on this night, again, Quinn Hughes plays 30 minutes and 5 seconds for some reason. Who knows? I mean, that’s what he does. Six shots on goal. So, he had six of the Canucks 30 shots after that. Nobody else with more than three. We talked about the fact that forwards were just a a nonfactor across the board. Elias Person uh no shots the three attempts got buried in the faceoff circle. So, it wasn’t a great night for Pety. Brock Besser had three shots on goal. I don’t really remember any of them. Connor Garland had a couple. Um the Evander Kane thing like one shot on nine attempts. Like he continues to just fling pucks to the net, but they’re not dangerous chances. Like do you remember a single opportunity tonight where you thought Aander Kane looked like he was about to score a goal? I can’t remember a single opportunity this season other than his goals that I looked like he was about to score a goal. And he’s got three and two came in the same game in Nashville. uh and he scored late in the game in Chicago against Chicago here where they were down a bunch and were trying to claw their way back. Um now his ice time was limited where we talked about some accountability. He only played 13 minutes at even strength which is way down for him. uh 1529 overall and there was a bunch of special teams on both sides and he doesn’t kill penalties for the Vancouver Canucks but uh this was a night where like so many others he was a non-factor aside from uh the undisiplined penalty that he took and he has taken too many penalties that’s all part of the Evander Kane experience but 23 games into the season and just three goals at this point uh expected a whole lot more so where like where do you put him? Well, I think what would you do? Right. So, if you want to sum up the Vancouver Conucks, like in this whole season, in one roster move, it was that Adam Foot decides to demote him to start the third period. And guess what? Drew Oconor gets promoted to play with Elias Patterson and Jake De Brris. And that’s not a knock on Drew O’ Conor. He’s had a nice start to the season. He’s given the Conucks what he can. But if anything screams flawed roster, it’s that you try to make a statement and bring a guy and demote him down the lineup and your answer is well Drew O’ Conor now suddenly is one of your top wingers and getting Nils Hoglander back. Sure, like when they do, they’ll be able to plug him in, but he’s also going to be two months behind the eightball coming off ankle surgery. We see this all the time. Like last year, Dakota Joshua was out for the first six weeks and people were like, you know, can’t wait till Dakota Joshua gets back there. He admitted it was hard to jump in midstream when everybody else has 30 games under their belt and we don’t even know which Neils Hogad is going to show up, the good one or the one that scuffled so mightily last year. So, you know, if you’re counting down today the days until Neils Hogadder is back around this group, first of all, it’s still going to be another three weeks or so. and you know, can he play on this team? Sure, he can. He’s not the savior, though, and it’s going to be weeks before uh they have an opportunity to plug him in. So, what you see is what you get. And and that’s where Adam Foot’s hands absolutely are tied that when he tries to make a roster move. You know, he’s got David Camp as a second line center. Drew O Connor is playing on his top line for the third period. This is the NHL. It’s a tough league even against teams that are bad. Um, guess what? So are the Vancouver Conucks. 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Yes, and I am interested to hear uh the tone, but also, you know, what kind of answers does he have for a performance like this one, but I want to double back. One of the super chats talked about Kevin Lankin. Lankin gives up five. Again, there have been a few nights where he’s given up five, and I thought, yeah, the goals that got past him weren’t terrible, but in volume, five is too many. This team’s not going to win very often when it gives up five goals. um since that went down and that’s coming up on two weeks now. Langinan’s two four and two in those games. Team in front of him not very good. But if the hope was that as a 1B he could seamlessly transition in become the 1A. Uh it hasn’t gone so well for him or the hockey club. too many breakdowns, not enough saves, not enough wins, obviously with one win in the last seven. So, uh, you know, I think you roll Lincoln into the rest of it that he hasn’t been the answer. It’s not all his fault, but I would say if I was grading Kevin Lenin in this stretch right here, right now, I’d be tough to go any higher than a C probably for his performance. Yeah, absolutely. And and I think that you look at it, they gave him the extension when he was, you know, playing at that ridiculous level. Contract season guys usually get paid. Y except Kane right now. But uh look, I just don’t think that he is built to be a starter in the National Hockey League. That’s why you look at it and when that is healthy, one of the best goalenders in the league, that’s how important that is to this team. Like good starting goalies in the National Hockey League are so hard to come by. There’s only a handful of teams that really have guys that they can depend on night in and night out. Those are the teams that go far in the playoffs and win the Stanley Cup. Uh Free Py, Free Pey brought a super chat. He had a hypothetical trade for Quinn Hughes and and Kefir Sherwood. I’m not uh here to play Let’s Make a Deal tonight. We appreciate the contribution though. Uh it all supports the BC Mental Health Foundation, but uh I’m not going to deal in hypothetical trades on this program right here, right now. What I am going to deal with is the head coach of the Vancouver Conucks. Wasn’t a great night for him. Wasn’t a great night for his hockey club. Uh let’s see what Adam Foot had to say after the Conucks get singed 5-2 by the Flames. Adam, we just talked to some of the guys in the room. They talked about liking your start, liking your first period, and you know, things kind of got away from you in the second. Where did you see things sort of go wrong in the middle of the game tonight? Well, we we we did have a good start. You guys saw it. Um you know, we could have capitalized on a couple more chances. They capitalize on theirs at our net. They got pucks to the net and they beat us to some rebounds and uh you know that’s their game. They’re going to throw pucks when they can down and try to beat you to that area the blue paint and they got a couple on us. You made some tweaks to your lines going into the third period. Moved Drew O’ Conor up. What were you looking for there? What did you see from some of those tweaks? But I just thought I thought, you know, Pety’s line’s been good, but I thought today they just didn’t have a lot of zip. And I thought, you know, Drew holding pucks and going, I thought maybe give him a little bit more. Um, one of the things that we saw in this game was a lot of shots where there were screens in front and it felt like the shots were coming high, but your players were aiming to tip them down. Is that by design or how do you get those tips to We had the We had We tried. I mean, uh, I wouldn’t say I was disappointed. It was probably I thought you know Pety’s line’s been good. One of the things that we saw in this game was a lot of them down. Is that by design or how do you get those tips to actually hit the net because quite a few uh were tipped wide? Well, I mean that’s that’s an art and a gift. I mean those guys are usually pretty good hand eye and sometimes they’re tipping them in and down and sometimes they’re not. But I mean in the first period we had we had a lot of great A’s, like a lot of really good looks. Um and it just didn’t go in. So, uh, I didn’t look at the shot. I’ll I’ll go look at that to see what that was about, but, um, you know, we could get pucks delivered more to the net for the second and third rebound chance. I’d like to see more of that rather than high shots, but, uh, we’ve been talk discussing that it’ll keep pucks alive and let those those forwards go to the net, jam at it, and do their thing. And in the defensive zone, it felt like there was quite a lot of chasing. Um, was that just players getting a little bit anxious uh in the game or what what can you contribute to kind of that chasing that we saw both from the defense and the forwards in the defensive zone? Well, they didn’t chase anyone in the first cuz really wasn’t in there in the first. I mean, the the second period they had three power plays. Um, you know, we had a young group get out caught out there where, you know, about three times I think what you’re probably talking about is there was we weren’t quick to pucks when our when our center was not in the zone first. I felt like the next forward the first forward is supposed to be the low forward. I felt like there’s a few times where, you know, even on two goals where there wasn’t good communication with that. So then it allows separation, maybe a little bit of a chase, but it did happen a few times, but not a lot. Um, you know, they they they didn’t get a lot, but they they got some chances they scored on and and and we didn’t score on ours. Um, last week in Tampa, you were able to take advantage in the third period of a team that was on a backto-back. Um, were you disappointed that you weren’t able to get the same kind of third period tonight? Well, when you’re down by that much, it’s hard in this league to come back. And we had the we had we tried. I mean, uh I wouldn’t say I was disappointed. I was probably didn’t wasn’t too happy with where we were going in the third. I don’t think it had to happen like that. Again, we’ve been really good first. We got to get a couple more dirty goals, get something past some of these goalenders, and maybe it’ll be a different situation going into the third. All right, that last answer was a little bit more of what I guess I was hoping to hear from Adam Foot. Um, and he’s not wrong in as much as it wasn’t so much the third period. Like, yeah, the home opener against the Flames when the Flames had played the night before the Gox took over in the third period. They did the same thing against Tampa last week as the question pointed out there. But, uh, this game turned in the middle stages of the first period and then ultimately the second. And so, you know, Foot makes the point that his disappointment came more with what he saw earlier in the hockey game than the the third period itself. I I do find every game though he talks about young players and seemingly it feels like he’s almost putting it on the young players. This loss isn’t on the young players on this hockey club. This one goes right back to the leaders and the guys that you expect um to perform better, guys that should know better and simply have to play better. And so I will stick up for some of the young guys. Even though I said earlier I think uh a guy like Lander might benefit from just getting out of this environment right now. Go down to Abbottzford. Not that that environment’s any better, but play and play a bunch and you know you’ll get back here. Um, with these guys that don’t require waiverss, I I think it probably serves the organization well to sort of swap them in and out here and give Mancini an opportunity right now just to see what does he look like after the time off of the injury and he’s played a handful of games now. And I’m not saying that it’s going to happen. This was, you know, just my idea to shake it up mildly uh to get some players attention. I don’t know that they go down that road, but to me, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to give Mancini another look here and try and throw a few different looks uh at the opponents. Yeah. No, I agree. I It’s also interesting to listen to Adam Foot as we get to do on on this show quite often. After he he says a lot of the same things after losses, we tried hard. We were almost there. We had some chances in the first period and then that’s it. No real answer for what got away, how it got away, and why it got away. I understand you don’t want to give away your secrets and and what you’re going to tell your team to improve, but at some point, you know, you got to like there has to be something. You you got embarrassed on home ice by the worst team in the league. Like there there has to be some more accountability. Yeah. I I was disappointed. I would like to have heard a different tone that sounded like a lot of the other losses. And you know, again, that’s a bit of a concern if these losses all sort of look and feel the same and they just mount. Um this is a guy that played hard. He was hard to play against. He had that passion as a player. I’d kind of like to hear a little bit of that instead of the good cop. Uh always trying to find the positives. Again, this is a savvy market and that kind of stuff I don’t think is going to sell uh for a whole lot longer. All right, let’s change things up. We’ve talked about the Canucks. Uh uh it doesn’t get any easier from here as they pack their bags. They’re out on the road for four, but uh before the road trip, there are other games around the National Hockey League that I know is keeping an eye on. Uh, what’s got your attention for the bet 365 of the night? Well, my attention is is I sucked on Thursday, so I owe you guys one for this one. We like the Ottawa Senators in LA, Travis Green, kind of a home gameish, lives in Anaheim. Uh, Vegas Golden Knights in Utah. I’ll take that. And the Devils against the Detroit Red Wings. So, put those three together. It’s a pretty good parlay on Bet 365. Whatever you bet, it’s never ordinary. Bet 365 down on the app. Get in on the game. Use code Nation. Bet 365 must be 19 or older. Please play responsibly. Do you know for I mean just looking at like other trends and and betting lines for Kale Mar or Nathan McKinnon in each of them separately to get a single point in a hockey game is like minus 300 right now. I don’t think McKinnon got one. There was only one goal. There’s only one goal. There were two one- nothing games in the National Hockey League today. Uh Islanders beat Seattle in a shootout. Colorado on a Mar goal beat Chicago one zip. So a couple of very lowscoring games. How about Minnesota? All of a sudden, five straight wins, three of them by way of shut out. Yeah, Buffalo Sabres were winners. So, they pick up points. That’s the other thing for the Conucks. Their last points came a week ago in Tampa Bay. You go a week in the National Hockey League without picking up points. Guess what happens? You are pulled over on the shoulder with flat tires and teams are ripping past you in the passing lane and now they don’t play again until Wednesday. If you think that they’ve dug themselves a hole now, wait until all those teams around them play a few more games here. The Ducks are next up for the Vancouver Conucks, that’s not good news. And the Ducks don’t play until that game. They played last night. They beat Vegas 4-3 in overtime. Cutter Goier with his 13th already of the season. That was the winner. And now they’re idle and they’ll be rested down on the duck pond. They’re 8-2 at home this season. They lead the Pacific Division. They’re fourth in the overall standings. There was this idea that the Ducks were going to take a step or two. Uh they’ve taken leaps and bounds and 14-7 and one. So that’s what’s next for the Vancouver Conucks. That’s the start of three and four in California and 4-6 which finishes up in Colorado against Maren McKinnon and the Avalanche. Leo Carlson is making it look easy right now. 29 points already. He’s going to make a lot of money. Cutter Goce’s got 26. Troy Terry’s got 25. Bennett Senaki’s got 16 points. Chris Krider, remember, basically a giveaway by the Rangers. He’s got 10. Half of them are in the power play. Um, so there’s still some life in Chris Krider. And on top of all that, Anaheim’s got goalending. Lucas Dol has been busy, but he’s been very good. He started 17 games. I don’t know, maybe he’ll get the night off and the Conucks will see Peter Morazzic, whatever. Um, Dostel is 115 and one with a 281 and a 904 save percentage. So, uh, they’ve got good goalending, uh, behind an incred best offense in the National Hockey League. That’s not what this Vancouver Can Hockey Club wants or needs, but you got to play the games that are on the schedule. And so, off to California. Wednesday is the eve of US Thanksgiving. You’re in with me on Wednesday. Vival State of the Canucks and their hopes of keeping Quinn Hughes in the big picture. may have some graphic accompanyments this this time around. Um, give you a hint. Guju is not good. Yeah. No, I I can kind of feel it. Uh, Anaheim Wednesday, then that one:00 start on Friday, Black Friday in San Jose. And Sharks are fun and score a bunch of goals. So, that’s not going to be easy. And then it’s back to back, although it is an afternoon game Friday and the nighttime game on Saturday. But, uh, you know, you’re in the state of California and yet there’s travel. down to Anaheim, north to San Jose, and then back down to SoCal to take on the Kings and then uh a day off Monday and then they’ll take on the or day off Sunday rather uh a couple days and then they finish up the road trip in Denver against the Colorado Avalanche. So the Canucks have played a bunch of road games already. Everybody knows that they were home for two. They flushed both of them to Dallas and to Calgary. The effort against Dallas was all right. People were like, “Hey, if they show up and play like that, they’re going to win their share.” And then a couple of nights later with a day off and a practice in between, they come out and basically roll over against one of the few teams behind them in the standings. Inexcusable performance from the Vancouver Conucks. 5-2 is the final. That’s three straight losses. It’s one win in seven for the Vancouver Conucks. So, they will limp off to California for a US Thanksgiving road trip. All right. Uh that’s going to do it for us here at rink wide. Wish we had uh better material. Certainly the Golden Eyes and the White Caps provided with with bunch of stuff. Uh uh alas, the Vancouver Conucks cannot hold up their end of the bargain here on a busy and memorable weekend of sports in the city of Vancouver. So enjoy a little bit of downtime uh between now and the next Conucks game Wednesday night from Anaheim. We’ll be back with our next episode of Rinkwide. Then we had Jacob Lazar in with us helping out behind the scenes and we appreciate his help for Earthf. I’m Jeff the final again. It was the Calgary Flames five, the Vancouver Conucks 2. Thanks so much for checking out this episode of Rinkwide Vancouver.

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