Who Will the Cardinals Trade for This Offseason? | 274

Who Will the Cardinals Trade for This Offseason? | 274

Well, in the St. Louis Cardinals quest to upgrade the rotation this off seasonason, the trade market is a likely space they could do that. Whether it’s through trading Brendan Donovan or some of the other key players on the roster or maybe turning some of their current prospect value into major league starting rotation or major league ready arms. Andrew and I today want to discuss who are some possible arms the Cardinals could target via trade this off season as well as maybe touch a little bit on the Ryan Hley starting pitcher news. Wink wink. Someone’s interested, aka me. Um, as well as some of the non-tender information from this past week on this episode of Dealing the Cards. Hey, welcome back into Dealing the Cards presented by 314 Sports Cards and Collectibles. We’ll tell you more about them and our other sponsors here in a little bit. Uh, we’re St. Louis Cardinal podcast goes live twice a week here on YouTube. If you’re listening on audio platforms, we appreciate you as well. Um, if you’re watching on YouTube, like and subscribe. Helps the channel a ton. We know many of you watching aren’t even aren’t subscribed. And so, it’s super, it’s free. It’s helps the channel a ton, helps reach other Cardinal fans. And comment down below uh how you feel about episodes because it helps us make our content and make it better for everyone involved. So, this can be the best possible Cardinals podcast for you listening. If you’re on audio platforms, uh, rate and review. It’s super easy to do on your platforms. And again, that helps the channel out a ton. So, we really appreciate if you can do that. Uh, we’re missing Sandy today if you’re a loyal listener, but Andrew and I are holding down the fort today. If you’re mad about his Duke cat, he is on their analytics team. So, I feel like it’s different than being a bandwagon Duke fan. Baseball cap. It’s not even the basketball stuff. Like, we don’t even Yeah, most It’s just funny to me that like you’re like not plugged into basketball and stuff. So, like the you’re I don’t think you fully understood why people hated Duke until we’ve explained a little bit to you, but now you get it. So anyways, he’s not he’s not that’s not why he’s there, guys, but he’ll probably be in. Have you gone to a basketball game yet? I haven’t. I haven’t. You got to go. They got Cameron Ber this year. Eventually. Eventually. I know. So, you got to you I don’t know how hard it is to get into it, but you should definitely go to a Duke UNCC game. That’s That’s pretty tough, but So, we’ll try we’ll try to make it happen. Well, before we jump into some of the starting pitching targets, we do want to address some of the news of the week. Uh the non-tender stuff. So, John King, Sanara, sorry, Sandy, sad times for the Sand Master, uh, Sear Bersa, Yelp, Poso, Jorge, Alcala. Really not many surprise names. I think Sebur is one I kind of thought they’d hold on to, but I’m not surprised. Poso we’ve been talking about. They had to add u they cro added crooks to the 40man toward the end of the year, but they also had to add Bernal. And so having five catchers on the 40man probably wasn’t going to happen. Um, so they moved on from Poso. doubt there’s trade value out there really. Um I think the Cardinals would love to have him back if he wants to come back as a depth catcher, but my guess is he could probably find a role as the backup or the third string catcher on another team which right now if he’s in St. Louis he’s probably like fourth or fifth string behind uh Carrera Pahes Crooks potentially Bernal so I doubt he comes back but again funny story really fell off down the stretch though so I don’t think it’s a huge loss. John King obviously was a serviceable reliever but then this past year not good negative value do about two and a half million arbitration you weren’t going to pay that made sense to move on Cory Alcala he took the risk didn’t work out move on from that summer bursta though he put this out on Twitter and I think it got misconstrued a little bit people like well they got massive in it’s coy Thomas JC it’s like I understand that and I’m not really even like fully critiquing the deadline but Mo had talked about how they were strategic at the 2023 trade deadline of targeting depth for the upper levels of the miners they’re starting pitching because they lacked it in hopes that in 2024 and 2025 they could like be better. And so the guys who fit the bill as the depth because Takakota Roi is a different story to me. He was a high upside guy. You were able to get him because you’re trading Jordan Montgomery. But they intentionally targeted more of those like low upside upper level miners arms in those other deals and it got them back. Severa who’s gone now, Adam Coffinstein who’s gone now and Drew Rom who’s gone now. What a whiff. Like there’s no guarantee that prospects ever work out. That’s not even really what I’m upset about. But like they targeted the low upside guys and none of them even really made any kind of meaningful contribution at the major league level and that’s I think it’s super disappointing and honestly like who I mean doesn’t mean if they go for higher upside far away guys it would have worked out but I’d rather have multiple more Zack Sha Walter types in the system than what they did with Roberta Coffenstein and and Roberta is a little different because he he was pretty intriguing young arm but he had the surgery so that’s part of the reason he’s gone now but does this just Does this change at all like this whole or what are your guest thoughts and like how the 2023 deadline’s gone so far? Cuz Massavan seems awesome but to be fair the Paul Deion trade and then Roby and S Ro I’m really high on but like he’s hurt right now and he’s still a prospect and Saji he’s like fine and hopefully he’s more but like hard call to success sell off. I mean, I don’t even know if it was really a sell-off, right? Like, you have to think about who the Cardinals actually traded and they got nothing back for Jordan Hicks and it’s like, oops. Well, Jordan was one of the best relievers moved at that deadline. Yeah, but he wasn’t that great for them afterwards. The Blue Jays end up missing the playoffs and then after that he tried to transition to a starter has been awful. So, okay. But that’s I don’t think that when you’re trading when you have one of the best assets on the market, you should be able to get something for it. and the fact that they had the best starting pitcher on the one of the best starting pitchers in the market, Jordan Montgomery. And so far, none of those have reaped the rewards besides John King. And so JC, but the Montgomery one is the one that you look at and it’s like that one probably is like the one that you you point to and say that’s the one that needs to work out. But, you know, so JC could still become a solid role player on the team. Roby has upside that may or may not be realized. John King was like a throwin. So any value you got from him was basically that. So I’m not sure I’m that upset with what they got back. And you look at Jack Flity, who, you know, that trade also didn’t seem to really work out, but he was terrible in Baltimore. He got pushed to the bullpen. Like he was supposed to be one of their big starter acquisitions. And you know, he he just ended up being really, really bad for them. And the Cardinals, like all the guys they got back from that trade, Drew Rom isn’t there. Prito is probably a guy that’s not going to ever pan out. And then I think Sho Walter is the guy who’s still in the minor who has like some amount of upside. But I I don’t really think that, you know, there’s too much that you can be upset with, especially when probably the worst guy that you moved at that deadline, the one the trade that you looked at the least ended up being like pretty good. Like Matt Swanson, who knows what he could be. He might be really bad next year. he could like there’s a reason the Blue Jays traded him for Paul D Young, but like he provided a really solid rookie season, was voted the best rookie reliever in all baseball this year. So, you know, that’s a guy you could potentially build a bullpen around um as a closer long uh long relief. Like, he can do pretty much anything. He’s gone two, three innings before. Um so, I look at that as a big success. Like, if if you had traded Paul D. Young for Adam Cloffenstein and traded Jordan Hicks for Matt Swanson. I don’t really know like what you’re really looking at. Um yeah, you probably could have done something better with the Jordan Hicks trade. You probably got could have gotten more value for him, but at the end of the day, you’re going to win some trades. You’re going to lose some trades. I’m not sure why people are too upset about it. And and the the Montgomery trade really, you haven’t really seen too much of of what that has been. Obviously, the Rangers got a starter that, you know, led them to the World Series. Um, but I I just don’t know. Well, that that could still be a win-win trade because Montgomery was only there for a little bit and then, you know, he signs with Arizona is awful. Um, and, you know, we really haven’t heard much of him since. So, I think so. piece is that you’re that upset to let go and the stuff you get back like I feel like anything you get back I don’t think aside from that Montgomery World Series run there’s not really a piece that you let go that really did anything afterwards. Okay, I understand that. But you’re also looking at when you have the cards at the deadline and you have the pieces to move that other teams want, then you need to maximize it. And again, I’m not even what I’m talking about is like I’m not super upset that they didn’t work out. But I am upset that it’s like we can clearly point to three names that it’s like why like it’s a very Mo type thing to go do to go try and patchwork with these deals when he should have been targeting upside from players further away. Doesn’t mean it would have worked out. But it’s like you go get a high upside low AR and it flames out. I feel much better about that than going Drew Rom who you’re hoping could be a number five starter for you and give you some kind of production. and him. Coffenstein threw like one inning for them. Brahm kind of had those trash starts down the stretch which none of those mattered in triple or in 2023 and then Summer Bura never even made a debut. And so that’s what I’m upset about is like targeting those type of arms on top of as high as I am on Roby. We still haven’t seen it and to JC I like a lot and liked a lot at the time. So I’m not critiquing it. I’m just saying like so far it’s Saji and Savon Center are the two guys who’s really providing you value. And so it’s just it’s a it’s a critique of the process. it’s not necessarily the results. I if you do a good process and get bad results, I can live with it. When it’s poor process and poor results, that’s where I’m like, what are we doing here? So, that’s that’s my critique to your point when you’re trading away guys with no control left. You it is kind of like gravy, especially if you’re not going to bring them back. It’s like whatever you get is nice, but I do think it matters their value a little bit because Jack Flity was again I know retroactively we’re like, “Oh, Jack Flity is not that good, but he was one of the more valuable starters available at that deadline.” Again, I don’t think they should have got in the hall for him. Um, but Drew Rom and Cesar Prito being two of the top pieces you wanted in return. H, not really loving that. Um, again, we don’t know what the offers were on the table. Um, but again, they but Mo did say they were looking for that upper levels miners pitching depth. So, it’s not like this is all that were being offered. We were targeting that. And so, I think that was kind of my critique thinks. I do think though, like I I actually think Flity has had better success after the fact. Like he signed that contract in Detroit and then get Dodgers. So like that maybe like good on on the Tigers and the Dodgers for seeing that value, but like at the time 2023 Jack Flity, he was either give you like a pretty good start or he would just like blow up. Do you remember that start against the Angels where he gave up like 10 runs and I don’t even think Mike Trout was in the lineup that day or something and it was just like these random guys. I think Anthony Rendone like hit a homer off him and it was just like what what are we doing? Like there would be starts like that and and that was the one that that sticks out. But like I don’t really know what you’re going to get for like two months of that guy at the deadline, right? Like I I it really any if you had gotten anything like the Orioles would probably be really upset if you if they had let anything meaningful get away for Jack Flurry, which true, you know, at the end of the day both teams end up losing there. like maybe you could have gotten something, but I I don’t know what a team is going to give up for for Jack Flity at that point in time. Uh I know the Tigers ended up getting more for him that the following year, but um Yeah. Yeah. Like if the Cardinals had traded like Gold Schmidt at that deadline, Yeah. And if they didn’t get a good return back, yeah, you’d probably be pretty upset. But they ended up just trading rentals away. I think that’s why this offseason honestly is more important where you’re trading away guys that do have control and could potentially actually help your team win where like Montgomery and Flare, they’re nice to have, but that team was like 10 games under 500. Yeah. At the deadline and you know you’re not going to do anything for sure. Again, more critiquing the process than the results, but the results do frustrate you even more when it’s bad process. Um, so continue on with that side of things. Like there is one more thing that I think we’ll have a differative opinion on. we can keep it kind of brief, maybe talk about more in the future, um, and then get into the trade targets since that’s what we want on this pod. But, uh, the Ryan Helley, so it did just come out that the Tigers are one of one of multiple teams that are interested in bringing in Ryan Helley as a starting pitcher this off season. Hm. I wonder if we’ve talked about we have talked about that before because especially in the last few years when it’s kind of been lost years I’ve been like you know what would be really awesome try out Ryan Hley in the rotation since they should have done that from the very beginning and they pigeon hold him as a starter. Here’s the thing I’ll keep it brief. I’m not saying it’s going to work and honestly I don’t even know if I’d put the odds at over 50% that he ends up working really well as a starter. I do think if they hadn’t pigeon holed him in as a closer before that he could have been a really good starter. maybe that one of those frontline starters that they’ve been missing for so long. Aside from that, I do think this is diff definitely different than Jordan Hicks. Um, obviously Helley’s fast ball was a problem this past year and tipping pitches was a huge problem. So, you got to fix those things, but he’s got a dominant slider. He has a good great fast ball when it’s on. He does have a curveball and change up he can use as well. Um, I think he’s working like a splitter or something like that during um or a cutter during um uh I think he’s working on both actually during spring training. He didn’t really use them a ton this past year. He’s a guy that I think can have a starters arsenal. He’s got the frame to pull it off. He’s got the stuff to pull it off. And we’ve seen plenty of examples of players like Seth Lugo, Ronaldo Lopez, um gosh, there’s there’s a bunch of others. I meant to I was trying to find my story about it that wrote about Hustle like two years ago saying he should have got the rotation, pointing out all these different players that have made the transition that have worked. But again, there are the Jordan Hicks of the world, right, that end up not working out. So, it’s not a guarantee, but like if I’m the Cardinals and I’m looking in the free agent pool and there’s not a lot of high upside starters that I can get to sign here, but Hely’s interested in like a one or two-year deal to try and prove it as a starter. I think I’d be interested because worst case scenario, you know, you can move him to the bullpit. So, like honestly, I think it’d be really fun to try out. What do you think? Yeah. I mean, I I’ve never I was never really like in on that idea when Kelsey was still here with the Cardinals. I I don’t really see that pitch mix necessarily working. Like the fast ball has really really didn’t play well last year. Um and while he was with the Cardinals, I still managed that. He was still getting saves, but not like nearly as good enough um as he was like in in 2024 when he won the the reliever of the year award. But I mean I I don’t I don’t know if he can fix the four seam shape. Um but like the the relievers to starters thing I think it’s it works sometimes. Like I can’t really think of guys that have really done it well other than like you know prospects like Garrick Crochet that were like Seth Lug. Have you looked at Seth Lugo’s metrics? Okay. But he feels like a Eric Fetty 2.0 next year. Like he could just be awful. Fair. But I’m I’m there are plenty of other players that have made this work. Uh Klay Holmes uh made it work this past year. Um yeah, you’re right. Garrick Crochet is more of a he did a pretty early on. Um gosh, there’s so many other examples. I wish I could find my piece on this that I wrote, but I Oh, here we go. I’m gonna be able to find it in a second. uh uh Michael King made that transition and has done it really well. Um again, it’s not like it’s the most common thing in the world to have happen, but I think there’s plenty of precedent for it. And again, he’s got the stuff. Yeah. Abubic, uh there’s there’s just different guys that can that can make this transition. And so, I’d be interested in it because I think it’s it’s an example of the Cardinals getting interesting trying something different. And and also like I understand people are saying his pitch arsenal isn’t deep enough, but part of that’s because when you’re a closer, you don’t tap into these other pitches. Like most of these guys have one, two, maybe three dominant pitches and you roll with them because it’s all you need. It’s not because you can’t throw other things. The Cardinals have encouraged him to kind of they hone in his arsenal in these years and go after these pitches that tunnel well together. I think he’s a guy that can integrate those things. And if it doesn’t work out, you’re probably not paying him an insane amount of money, more than what you’d be paying him in a one or two year deal to be your closer. So if he doesn’t work as the starter, it’s like, okay, now we’re paying him market value be a closer and it’s like whatever. But if it works, do we know he can be a closer again? Because he was just so bad with the Mets. Like Yeah. But a lot of that was the pitch tipping they’ve talked about. So it’s like if you can figure that out again, I Hel’s had one really bad half. Yeah. And a half that he just had, which is usually a sign that, you know, Yeah. But you’re not I mean, again, I’m not advocating sign Helley to a fiveyear deal. I’m saying if he signs a one or twoear deal, yes, there’s risk involved, but if there wasn’t risk involved, he’d be getting a seven-year huge contract to be a starter, right? Like, so I I get that people are in the comments being like, “Oh, like it’s not going to work. It’s not work.” Well, okay. So, if you want something that’s going to work in their price range, it has no upside. It just doesn’t. If you want if you want something with upside, it’s going to take some risk, right? Like Dustin May, we can talk about all the reasons why it would be really risky and maybe not work out or or you can talk about other names that are less risky, but it’s like those guys don’t have that upside. And we have familiarity with Heling in St. Louis. Again, this is a different regime, too. Again, it’s not like saying, “Hey, can Bo and his front office fix this?” It’s Yeah, if they can fix him, that would be interesting. I just wonder like is he like he’s not going to get more than like two years, I don’t think. And if you do that, you’re just going to you’re doing that to trade him. So, I don’t know why you don’t Well, not necessarily. Like, the upside is he’s good and then you trade him probably. That’s one of the upsides. One of the upsides, too, is he’s really good. you stick him for the two years and you resign resign him again as a starter like that’s happened with some of these other guys. Oh, I’m not saying that’s for sure what would happen, but there’s other routes this can happen. And also the Cardinals are probably not signing a starter longterm anyways. That’s really the upside with any of these guys is that they end up popping off and go. But like if Helley pops off as a starter, that guy could be really valuable at a deadline. Yeah, that’s true. But then like I don’t know why you don’t just go out and sign someone who’s a little bit safer. At least you something at the deadline. Well, you do because if Hel’s good as a starter for half a season, what are teams really going to give you for that? Okay, but what are teams really going to give you for a good version of Kyle Gibson? Well, not much. Well, but like but that’s the only like there’s no such thing as really a safe starting pitcher you can sign. Yeah. And so and then also you do have the fallback with Helsley of like I get that we just saw that we don’t know if he if he’s going to be the same dominant reliever again. That’s fair. But you do have the fallback of that. If you sign a safer starter and they don’t work, it’s not like, “Oh, they could close games for us.” You’d be like, “Well, this is really terrible.” So, anyways, I get I get it’s not it’s not like a cut. It’s not easy, but I I think it’s worth the risk because like it just for to me at least the Helly starter stuff seems to have just like popped out of thin air for me at least. And like I I I feel like I I I I get why it happens with like Crochet and I feel like there were like rumblings of all of these guys like you hear about like oh this guy has starter potential, but I feel like the Helly starter stuff just started like within the last year and and also the durability concerns where like maybe it has stuff to do with arbitration, but also like he like he’s the only reliever that you don’t trust to go multiple innings or that that you won’t let go multiple innings because you’re afraid of that injury stuff. And it’s like if he’s not durable enough to do that, then why is he durable enough to stop? But that’s not totally true. That a lot of that the fact he didn’t go multiple innings was because of how they handled arbitration where they used it against him that he wasn’t getting all these saves because they were deploying him the seventh and eighth innings when they really needed him or they had him go two innings and they used it against him. So he’s like, “Okay, screw it. I’m not doing that. then he even has trouble like um so I I feel like when you when you have him go like we point to that that um wild card game against the Phillies all the time but he did pitch the eighth and he pitched the eighth fine. Um yeah, but he also had a finger injury then. Yeah, but like if he he pitched the eighth just fine. So maybe like I don’t know. Again, I think that’s also different because he had the finger injury so it wasn’t like he just got tired. It was it was different. And so again, I again I’m not guaranteeing it’s going to work out, but also like it’s not like we’re just randomly coming up with this idea like it h it’s not just within the last year. The Cardinals stunted his growth as a a starter because they needed bullpen help. For years, people are like this is crazy. This guy’s too good to pigeon hole into a reliever. Now you’ve made it a really risky endeavor because you just don’t know what it’ll look like. Also, it’s the Tigers and other teams plural that are looking at Hell’s a starter. So it’s not just us being like, “Oh, or the Cardinals.” It’s like other smart organizations are looking at Ryan Hzy and like that guy could be a starter. So if the Rays or the Guardians or the Mets or I mean he’s not going back to the Mets. The Dodgers if those teams sign him as a starter like are people going to be like they’re idiots. Like no they’re probably like oh they probably see something. So that’s where again it doesn’t mean it’s going to work out. Like Jordan Hicks is the prime example it didn’t work out but there’s also plenty of examples of it working out nowadays that I think it’s worth a try. So um so we’ll move into the starting pitching target side of things as well. But as always, you want to thank the presenting sponsor, The Deal in the Cards podcast, and that’s 314 Sports Cards and Collectibles. They’re located at 9640 all boulevard and all that. 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They’re awesome to work with and have great deals going on there. So, Andrew, one of the things that the Cardinals um again we talked about free agency with Ryan Helysey or other starters. I talked with on a different episode Jake Wood about um and we’ve talked about these different things various times but one other route they could take whether it’s through a Brendan Donovan trade whether it’s through trades of guys like Large New Bard and Aronado whether it’s through what they get for Sunny Greyback whether it’s using some of that catching depth they have in the system the Cardinals can go out and target starting pitching um this off season and it’s one of the things they’ve talked about doing is they want to control a controllable arm I’ve got some different names I kind of want to throw out there and and I’m curious if you have some names as Well, Samuel, as much as I’d love for them to go get Paul skins, probably not. I wonder though like what like how much would the Cardinals have to offer to get Paul Sk. I don’t think they have enough in their system to be honest. I mean, if you gave up like Liam Doyle and JJ Weatherhole and Rinell Rodriguez and Joshua Bayz, I feel like that’s a start. That’s definitely like it’s not there yet, but it’s good start. But then where’s your other half come from? You have to give them like 12 other I mean I think they might take Brendan Donovan back in that kind of thing. Yeah, it would it would gut you. There’s no way it happened. So, but I do have some names I think are realistic and and fun to think about that I want to p poke at today. So, Andrew, I’ll throw the first one out there as a as a name near and dear to you just because of a team you follow. You don’t you’re not a fan of. So, I’m correcting other people on that, but you follow them for one specific player, but they do have an exciting young arm that I think could be a good fit. But then I’ll let you throw some names out there. I’ve got plenty. So, if you need help or if you don’t have a ton, like I’ve got a bunch that we can work off of. Like an example of an arm that I think would be really interesting for the Cardinals to look at this off seasonason is River Ryan uh from the Los Angeles Dodgers. So looking at the Dodger situation, they have like eight starting pitchers already that are like on the roster that are in contracts, right, with Yamamoto, Snell, Glass, now I guess. They’re winning baseball. They also have Gavin Stone returning from injury. They have EMTT Sheet. They have uh other guys coming. Uh they have Jackson Ferris who’s going to be on the way at some point. They have a lot of starting pitchers. they can afford to move a guy like a River Ryan coming off injury to go get a guy like Brendan Donovan or something like that. I think in a Brendan Donovan trade, River Ryan would be a really interesting I think I think Brendan Donovan’s worth more than just River Ryan. So I wrote about recently I think what I said was too much but I said River Ryan plus Mike Ceroda who’s one of their outfield prospects. Baseball America just actually moved him I think their second highest outfield prospect. MLB.com had him as their fourth highest. Um, and people and even some Dodger like baseball America is making the case that Serotto could be the Dodgers top prospect soon. So that might be too much too rich. Um, but I’m saying something like River Ryan plus some uh Dodgers are really deep with position player prospects right now. So I don’t imagine they’d want to give up two arms, but case of River Ryan missed the entire 2025 season with Tommy John surgery. So obviously not great. Uh, but he does have an incredible fourseam fast ball. It sits in the mid to upper 90s with a ton of vertical break. It’s a hard pitch to square up. Gets a ton of swing and miss. He has a two seam fast ball as well that he partners well with it that cuts um and gets really good ground balls out of it. He has a slider that’s a plus pitch, a cover cutter that’s above average. Um he’s he’s a really interesting starter to me with high upside. Samuel just brought up like Casey is a starters. I’m not going to mention a single Kansas City starter on here besides I mean I would love Cole Reagan’s but like I’m not I mean I guess sorry you could go target Noah Cameron or Chris Bubick and other trades but when it comes to Brendan Donovan I don’t want Noah Cameron. I want upside and River Ryan is upside to me. I don’t know what your thoughts are on River Ryan. Uh but he’s a guy that I would love to see the Cardinal add to the rotation. Um any thoughts on Ryan? Yeah, I mean I think he he’s interesting. Um just because like I don’t want to trade Brendan Donovan for someone who’s like really started his clock. I think he still has rookie eligibility if I if I’m Yeah. correct because he only made like four appearances last year and then he blew out his elbow. Um So he’s not a free agent until 2031. Yeah. So I would want a guy with like the full six years of control. Like if they’ve have major league experience, that’s fine, whatever. Um but I I don’t think it’s necessarily smart to to trade Donovan for like another arbitration eligible guy or like a pre-arb guy. Um that has like really started their clock. And um you know like people talk about what Bryce Miller and like some of those guys were just like yeah cool. We know Bryce Miller can like pitch at the major league level, but how good is he going to be? Like, is he the piece that that moves the Cardinals into that kind of contention? It’s like, no, he’s not. And he probably never will be where like I feel like I would do a River Ryan type thing where he’s probably like what the the 12th guy on the Dodgers starting depth chart, right? Like they have Yeah. Well, they need six guys, but um you know, well, they need more than that even because part of their strategy, which was brilliant this past year, is they kept all their guys healthy by allowing them to like really like take their sweet time to come back from injuries. So, yeah, but they like half of their bullpen like their entire bullpen during the playoffs was was their starting pitching. It was like Shihan and Kershawi. So, like right now like Vangrass has the rotations at Yamamoto Snow, Glass Now, Otani, Shihan, and Suzaki. Yeah. that doesn’t include um like either River Ryan or Gavin Stone and there’s a bunch of other arms and then they also can go out and easily sign a couple Indians eater guys like not Miles Michael but like a guy like that to just to get them through the regular season. They might. They honestly might. Checkbook baseball man. That’s That would be funny if you went and joined them. That would be if you can’t beat them, join them. Your guy said that. My guy said that. He did say that. I made me like him a little less. unfortunately. But but yes, last night I had right now. I feel like there’s definitely like the Dodgers are an interesting team to trade with because I feel like their talent evaluation is so good that they will just find they’ll get Chris Taylor for nothing and they’ll get Maxy for nothing. They’ll get Tommy Edmond for nothing. Thanks for for doing that. Um, they could have got something for him, but but here, can I argue something? I think what they would do is especially because No, I was about to say that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Is like they traded Michael Bush to the Cubs for nothing because they had Freddy Freeman and show Otani and he didn’t have a spot, right? Like seems like nothing now, but Jackson Ferris could end up being really good. That’s possible. But like Michael Bush is like probably the the best like hitter on the Cubs right now. Like I would say Yeah. Like I don’t maybe if you remove all of the Miles Michael starts against him, it would go down a little bit, but I feel like that would be the case for like everyone, right? Like yeah, the the Cubs like without Tucker, that’s probably their centerpiece because Suzuki is probably going to fall off eventually. Uh Swanson’s not like, you know, the the hitter type and and PCA just had like the worst second half um of all of like the Allstars or whatever. Like good good players in the first half. Like it was just awful. So I I feel like the Dodgers do part with some of that talent sometimes. Like they they do let guys get away um just because they have just an obscene amount of talent. Like they traded Yordon Alvarez for Josh Fields. Yeah. And no one cares because they have a better DH. and outfield. So, I don’t know. Like, that’s But I I think you can make the argument like they could trade Ray River Ryan. He could be awesome elsewhere, but guess what? They got freaking Brendan Donovan and Brendan Donovan ends up being awesome for them because guess what? Brennon is awesome and underrated like and like so like they could they could and like you so you mentioned like we just said those six seven star six seven six seven starters there and then I I was like trying to think of who are all the depth starters that doesn’t include so Stones that’s seven Landon Knack eight Justin Wowski nine Kyle Hurt 10 plus other prospects they have plus the idea of bringing in veterans like they could easily move a River Ryan and be totally fine and like adding everyday lineup because their offense was the weakness in the postseason besides the bullpen. Like the offense didn’t come through and obviously their lineup is better than that, but they had Brendon Donovan in that mix, man. Yeah. So, I would hate it cuz I don’t want to see Brendon Donovan go and I’d much rather keep him and extend him. And I think Bernie’s made some good points about on his episodes. Obviously, the Cardinals are not going to extend Brandon Donovan. You have to trade him now. You have to get the value. No, it’s true. But, and so like I get that, but I’m saying scratch that part. They should be extending it. Yeah. Exactly. So anyways, but hey, that would mean I don’t have to buy a new hat for the charity live stream. That’s true. Hey, speaking of Brendan Donovan, I want to thank other sponsor of the podcast, and that is uh True North Gloves, the official headband uh of Brendan Donovan. I went online and ordered a new headband because I wear them for when I go running. Um, and my hair’s kind of weirdly long right now, so I don’t it doesn’t work super well on my head, so it’s not gonna look all that great. So maybe I’ll take this off real quick and throw it on. But like I like to wear my headbands when I’m running to keep my um to keep my uh my hair out of my face and when I’m mowing and stuff. And maybe you guys relate to that if you play baseball and stuff. But they sent me a ton of other ones too. So they sent me this like cool Brendon Diamond uh St. Louis flag one, a USA one, a Donnie Hustle one, which is cool, and then this BD33 one. Oh, and they sent me another one, too. They sent me uh I don’t think I showed you this. Oh, no, I did show you. This one has like Brendan Donovan on it running, which is super cool. So they sell all kinds of different headbands. They have Brennan Donovan ones. They have a Vinia Pascino ones. But they also have other like themes like Just America, St. Louis Centric stuff. Um other kinds of like fun my hair is all wacky now because I barely put it on. But um all kinds of stuff. They got coasters which they sent me. Um they got baseball glove or batting gloves, pickle ball gloves, golf gloves, all kinds of super cool stuff over at True North. We recommend you go check them out. If you go to trueened northgloves.com, you can save 25% with that code, trueened north25 to get some fun headbands like this. Again, if you’re a runner like me or you uh go and mowing the lawn, you need to get your hair out of your face, you’ve got kids that would be interested in fun stuff like this. Uh back when I played baseball, no one ever did the fun Yeah, maybe share the wealth. Maybe we’ll do some giveaways with some of it. But um we never like did the fun swag when we played baseball back in the day. Now everyone has like fun headbands and elbow guards and stuff. So, this is a great stocking stuffer for the holidays. Um, for adults, kids, anyone you know, make sure you go check out True North Clubs. Really enjoy our partnership with them so far. So, um, I want to throw a couple other names. I’ll throw an organization and names out there to you and then I want to see if you’ve got some. And I’ve got plenty more we could talk about, too. So, um, New York Yankees, they’ve been interested in Brendan Donovan for a very long time. I promise this isn’t just a Brendan Donovan trades one. I’m going to move into some non-donovacentric ones, but while we’re on the topic, um, they’ve been interested in Brendan Donovan for quite a long time. Um, and so I think they’d be willing to give up something for him. And if you look at the Yankees, the thing they really do well right now is develop pitching and they have a ton of depth at the upper line upper levels in the minor leagues right now. Um obviously a Cam Schiller Schlitler uh was the big name from this past year who um who just like dominated uh toward the stretch and into the postseason. Uh Luis Heel, Will Warren, who I’m going to come back to the name in just a second here. Uh Clark Schmidt, and then they’ve got other names at the upper levels of the Miners like now. Plus, they’ve got pitching depth developing at the lower levels. And so I’m looking at Will Warren as a guy uh who just had an excellent rookie year for them. 444 RA 407 fib 162 innings which again in your rookie season that’s that’s really nice. Ben Hes. Yes, Steve. Right. That’s the other guy that like if you get a Will Warren and a Ben Hess Ben Hess is a little bit further away but a big time fast ball. Um guy who does a ton of strikeouts in the minor I think he was like sec second in the minor leagues this year at strikeouts. Um he’s a little bit further away. A little bit of injury risk there. Um, I think there’s some arms you could grab from that Yankee system and Will Warren would maybe be the immediate rotation ad with like a Ben Hess is a upper levels guy, but um I don’t know. Do you think the Yankees would match up as an interesting trade partner for the Cardinals to acquire pitching this off season? Yeah, I mean the Yankees definitely are are a team that should be looking at Brendan Donovan. I think most teams probably should if you’re trying to compete to be honest because he can kind of play wherever you want him to. But like the Yankees in particular are a team that you know doesn’t have a lot of versatility. U have a lot of like DH type guys. So like having a Donovan around would I think really help them. Um I I don’t know how I necessarily feel about like like I said earlier a guy who’s already started his clock. Um, I would much prefer to, you know, get like top 100 prospect in somebody’s system and then like maybe another package for them because I I think we the Cardinals really could get a lot back for Brendan Donovan, especially because, you know, this is like maybe the first time they’re selling high on a player. I don’t think like the Cardinals I feel like have had opportunities a lot um to you know go out and and trade a guy at peak value and and they just haven’t done that like in the Mo era with like O’Neal or you think about like even Gold Schmidt and Aronado at 20 at the 2023 deadline where you know if you had done that you would have gotten something. So like I think this is like the perfect time and maybe the perfect player if you’re not going to extend him. Obviously I would like to extend him. Um, I want him around as long as possible, but you know, if that’s off the table, um, where it kind of looks like he was interested last year, but maybe not as interested, um, I would definitely look more towards the upside rather than like Will Warren cool, but like is his what is his ceiling? Like I don’t know. I I don’t think he’s going to be like maybe maybe like a better version of Michael McGrevy, like a number three, number four starter. Um Oh, you’re muted. Sorry, I don’t know how I muted myself. Um I think like the like the high high up like the highest upside for a guy like Will Warren is like a number two starter, but you’re probably looking at a really good number three starter. Yeah. Which I’m thinking, but I’m like I think for five years of control of that is pretty darn good. But I feel like you have like four of those guys in the Cardinal system that could do that eventually, right? Like Matthews, that’s probably his upside too, right? That’s why that’s why if I’m doing a deal to Yankees, I’m not I’m not accepting Will Warren straight up. I’m accepting Will Warren plus a Ben Hess. And Ben Hes has the true frontline starter upside is further away. So it’s the combination for me. Yeah, I think that makes a little bit more sense. But if I was doing a headliner that’s a prospect, I would want a legit top 100 or top 50 guy like you said. Like honestly, I joke that he would be too valuable. But honestly, I’m like, I’m shooting for the stars. Kate Anderson from Seattle. Like if they’re not going to give me Bryce Miller, give me give me the what was he third or fourth overall pick in the MLB draft this past year. There’s precedent for stuff like that. Like the um Diamondbacks flipped the number one overall picky Swanson for Shelby Miller at one point. Again, Shelby had four years of control, starting pitcher, all that kind of stuff. Um, I feel like there was a top 10 or top 20 uh drafted pitcher in a recent year that was moved like a for someone, but I would be shooting for someone of that caliber. If they’re the headliner for Brendon Donovan, but if you’re talking about getting a major league ready arm, then I want a second arm attached to it that has upside, but it’s a little riskier. No, I I definitely I definitely agree with that. Um, but like I I’m not going the Mo route of like I’m going to get these guys that are mutually ready because you know like you have Michael McGrevy, that’s probably your best guy that’s like that, but you have so many guys that could do that already where Yeah, I want to shoot for the the high upside. Um, and if they have reliever risk, they have reliever risk, whatever. Um, that that’s cool, too. Like at this point, that’s probably what Tink is going to be. And and that’s totally fine. Like if he’s a good reliever, he’s a good reliever at this point. Like so be it. For sure. But no more Yeah. No more lowhanging fruit, please. Agreed. They need to if you’re if you’re going to trade Brendan Diamond this off seasonason if he’s truly and it’s be part of it because he’s your best trade asset, then you better not settle. It better be a good deal. And so, let’s see. Is there any names that stand out to you as like targets this offseason? I’ve got more that I can work off of, but I don’t want to d Yeah, less so for like Brendan Donovan, more so for like reclamation. And that’s what I’m going to look into. Um, guys like Bobby Miller, Reed Demer’s come to mind of like these are guys that, you know, really couldn’t figure it out at the major league level. Like that that Bobby Miller start against the Cardinals for whatever reason is still stuck in my mind. I have no idea why. Um, it probably shouldn’t because we’ve like, you know, it looked like he had really good stuff and then he kind of got hurt and fell off and and I’m still kind of banking on that because I just remember like being just demoralized watching Bobby Miller. uh that one game on Apple TV, but I bet Nationals fans felt the same way when they saw Eric Fetty do that on Apple TV and then guess what happened to him. So maybe he’s not that good um after all. But like somebody like that where like I’m like Bobby Miller, if he’s fixable, great. But like where are the Dodgers going to use him? They don’t have any use for that. like maybe as as a bullpen arm, but like I I don’t know, like some something like that to to go with like a Nolan Gorman type reclamation project where I I don’t think Gorman is going to figure it out anymore. I I was I was hopeful, man. Like I I really thought like he was starting to put it together and then in September he fell off again and I I just I I really don’t know how long you can you can stick with a guy like that. Yeah. Um, and then like I don’t know, the Angels make weird trades. They traded for Grayson Rodriguez and didn’t even make him take a physical. So that was funny. Great. Good stuff, Angels. So maybe you could scam them and take one of their guys. Um, but other than that, like that’s what I’m looking for more for like a Nolan Gorman, maybe Jordan Walker. I’m kind of sick of Jordan Walker at this point. Like I I get that the talent is there, but at some point he has to he has to grow up and and do that. I understand like he’s he’s really not that much older than I am, but you know, it’s kind of crazy. I would say I I disagree on I wouldn’t do that with Walker this off season. I would for sure do with Nolan Gorman because someone brought this up the other day. I thought it was a really good point. It’s like Nolan Gorman’s been so inconsistent at this point and he’s got three years of club control remaining that basically I think he would have to and this is me taking that point. I think he would have to be good all three years for me to be feel and like good all three years for me to feel comfortable extending him and so I’m like extending him well no so I’m not saying I’m not saying you should extend him. I’m saying like if you’re thinking long play with you’re probably not extending him you’re probably not keeping Nolan Gorman beyond his current club control. So then it’s like you either trade him now, which I don’t think he can get you a lot right now, but he can get you something, or you trade him later for either nothing or he bounces back and you try to trade him for real value and see if he crashes and burns somewhere else or if he’s good. So I’d be open to moving him this off seasonason for a reclamation arm, but I wouldn’t be in a rush to do it because I don’t think you have to move him. I think you’ve got the ability to play him. And same Jordan Walker. I don’t think you move him this off seasonason because I don’t think it I don’t think the risk of what he could be somewhere else is worth whatever rewards you can get now. Um but anyways, I want to rapid fire a couple names to you. Um just because they varying price points, varying types of players to go grab. Um would you I don’t think I’m interested in this, but the car Derrick Gold Derrick Gold keeps bringing his name up, so it makes me think there’s at least some kind of way it could happen. Mitch Keller, he’s 29, under contract with the Pirates through the 2028 season. He had three years of club control, but all three of those years are in the upper tens or $20 million. He to make 17 million this year, 18 and a half next year, 20 and a half in 2028. He’s been worth about 16 almost 17 million to 25 million per season based on Fore. Um he’s like a number three starter, right? 451 RA. Um since 2022, it’s been a 415 with 394 fib. Not a big strikeout guy. He’s pretty durable and consistent, but he’s not doesn’t have a lot of upside. Like obviously I think we both agree that’s not the Brendan Donovan trade, please. No. But like would you be open to moving new bar and other stuff or prospects for a guy like Mitch Keller or you like I don’t think that makes a ton of sense for the Cardinals, especially at that price point. I mean maybe. Mitch Keller feels like a better version of Michaelis or Fetty. Yeah. Like I feel like we could see Mitch Keller being the next Michael. And obviously he’s not going to be paid as much. So like, you know, if you were paying Michael $2 million, like I don’t want to do it. Like I know why it makes sense, but I just like for the organization’s sake and just for the fans, like there there’s no reason for them to to bring back specifically Miles Michael, just just bring him back in a different color, you know? Like just like bring him back in different color. Not like that, but like No, I get what you mean. where it’s like just just bring bring in like I don’t know who’s a who’s a guy that’s that’s basically Miles Michael but like like one of those NPB arms, right? Like one of those one of those um NPB arms that that went over there and and like Anthony K or or Foster Griffin or whoever like bring in one of those guys instead of Miles Michael and pay him like four mil. Don’t bring don’t bring in Miles Michael. Don’t bring in Eric Fetty. But like Mitch Keller just feels like 2018 Miles Michael is when he was an all-star because like the profile doesn’t strike me as something that and I feel like Mitch Keller always just pitches well against the Cardinals. He feels like one of those guys, right? Am I wrong? Am I crazy? But like I I feel like our perception of him is like maybe even a little better than he actually is. Um yeah, I I think he’d be fine, but I don’t He’ll be okay. Yeah, I would be mad. What are you getting for Newbar? Like I don’t know. Yeah, he’s a weird guy to value right now. Are you I don’t I think Newar is on the team next year. I think so too. But but there’s obviously real there’s obviously interest out there in him that’s been reported. So it’s like Yeah, but like that it’s all like it all all of it has the like asterisk before the surgery. Not all of it. There’s I think Katie reported that it’s like as his rehab begins there might be like a increase in fre in conversation but also like the main one of the main trade um one of the main topics in the trade market has been a lot of teams are looking for outfielders and there’s not that many to go around. So um but here so real quick makes me so sad. Oh yeah far go ahead. No, I was just going to say that new bar is probably not going to play in the WBC and we’re not going to have all these theories of like, oh, he’s gonna recruit this guy to the um I think we’re past those anyways. But um hey, Red Bird Farhands beat me to the punch. I’m really I’m really annoyed in like a good way by what he said. But like for the Pirates, Johan Ovo I’d be open to a reunion on uh even more so than Mitch Keller. Um I guess Mike Schultz’s not here anymore. He’s probably out of baseball. Yeah. and like he was like he was pitching in the major leagues when he should have been in double A. So I don’t really hold that against him. Um the Pirates apparently really really like him right now and uh and but Braxton Ashcraft. Dang, Uncle Ted just said it was the other guy I was going to throw out there is a guy I’d rather have than Mitch Keller if I’m being honest. A prospect I really like is Antoine Kelly. Um I think it is interesting that Joe Douglas just came over from the Pirates front office and so there is that familiarity there and he’s going to be overseeing their professional scouting. So, is that something he looks at? Who knows? Um, so a couple other names I’ll just rapid fire on. Bryce Miller. Any interest? That would probably be more of a Brenda Donovan trait. No, I wouldn’t I I think it depend on what the what the the unless there was more attached to it that like I really liked. I I just don’t think because Bryce Miller is what you want Michael McCree to be. No, no, no, no. Bryce Miller’s better than that. Bryce Miller. I’m thinking of a different guy. Bryce Miller. thinking of a different guy. Never mind. Bryce Miller’s at the Mariners. He’s uh he was really really good last year. Cuz like that was No, never mind. Yeah. No, Bryce Miller last year would like you’d be laughed out of the room last year. Yeah, he was really good. Yeah, he had a 294 RA. Yeah, I think I would I would strike out sub one a sub one whip. Um has a great fast ball. I mean, he throws multiple fast balls if I remember right. He’s a guy that came in in relief for the Mariners in the playoffs and pitch well. Yes. Okay. Yes. So, I Bryce Miller is a guy I’d be interested in. Um, not not like for sure, but I would definitely be interested. Um, a couple more. Any interest in Sandy Alcantara reunion? Sure. Are the Marlins trying to compete? I’d be interested if it’s like Well, obviously, again, not I will I will clarify if any of these names are attached to Brendon Donovan, but assume all these names I’m throwing out there is not a Brendon Donovan tree. Okay. I mean, if it’s like Lars newar type trade, what the the Marlins didn’t trade him in the deadline because they thought he could reclaim that form and I feel like he had a pretty good second half. So, yeah. And they’ve said they’re I mean it sounds like they’re open to moving him or uh Edward Cabera, but also they say that every off or not they say that that’s rumored every offseason. So, who knows? Edward is on the table ever like ever. But Edward Cabera Yeah, I think so. I mean like I think so, too. Yeah. I would uh as much as I love Joe Ryan, as much as Pablo Lopez sounds fun to me, I don’t think either of those guys are realistic, especially the contract on Pablo Lopez and then Joe Ryan, he’s only got two years of team control. So, I don’t and I doubt he’s signing an extension. If he does, it’s big. I don’t think that fits the Cardinals timeline. I think a Joe Ryan type in a few years for the Cardinals. I do think 27 window I would look at to be honest. Like if you if you play it right, 27 could be like that first like Orioles are good year. Yeah. And and again with someone like Joe Ryan, like every team, like all the contenders in baseball are also circling him. So it’s like, yeah, it’s not like, oh, the Twins have to get rid of him, the Cardinals should get up. It’s like, well, the Mets would want him and the Dodgers want him, the Red Sox want him, the Yankees don’t want him, and the Padres’s want, like there’ll be plenty of teams bidding on him. It doesn’t make sense for you out bid teams on him right now. Especially when if 2027 is going to be a lockout, you’re basically acquiring him for one year. They’re not going to lose. But even if you lose some games, and also we don’t think 2027 is probably the year that they’re like a contender, a true contender again. Do you really want to waste one of those years on 2026? Probably not. Um, Mackenzie Gore. Probably not. No, probably not. But like that name hurts every time. Oh, because of the oneto trade. Well, but what’s one of the main reason? Well, not one of the main reasons. The Cardinals weren’t going to give up enough. But also, the Nationals really wanted the Padres’s to make the deal because the Cardinals didn’t have an arm like Mackenzie Gore to give up. So, but I don’t think there’s enough control there. Um, I do really like him a lot. He wasn’t as great in the second half, but it’s not the Padres’s fall as the Angels. It is a really interesting side to Norm’s moment. You bring it up a lot and it’s it’s a really good point. But honestly, I wouldn’t have been shocked that the Dodgers went harder for Juan Sto if that was the case. So, um, so anyways, um, any other names I want to throw out there? I don’t know. I’m looking in the chat to see if there’s Brian Woo for Brendan Donovan. Straight up. Let’s do it. Someone onces told me that. So, plus Kate Anderson. Oh, yeah. Wait, no, that was the I was like Bryce Miller, Kate Anderson, and somebody else. It’s like, yeah, let’s do it. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen a tweet that had that many comments and quote tweets and like three likes on it. But see, Uncle Ted, I would want them to go and shoot high for Hunter Brown, but they already have a guy like that in their system. Sandy. Hunter Brown be awesome, but there’s no shot they trade. He he just finished third in Sai Young. Yes. Yeah. So there’s no shot they’d trade him. But I mean I love that I mean they would do it. I’d do it. I I’d take him in a heartbeat. Um yeah. And then free agency obviously there’s Montgomery, John Means, guys like that. So there’s a lot of interesting arms out there. Again I at this point sign a one-year deal. I don’t want him but like because he fell off really hard. But maybe you say did he or would he? Did he? I think he’s still Do they still have him? I think he’s still with the Cubs because I don’t feel like I’ve seen his name as a free agent. Uh wide open. That’s Yeah, they’ve got him for another year. 17 million and 50 million mutual. Yeah, I don’t know why they won’t just go for it, but whatever. The Brewers will probably sign three guys we’ve never heard of and win a 100 games next year, so whatever. It’s probably true. Um I hear Brandon Woodruff’s available, unfortunately. Well, I mean, you could trade. I mean, maybe the the maybe the Brewers will trade him, but but no, we don’t probably going to try to trade Imanaga because they don’t seem to want him around anymore, which is really um So, there are people are throwing out some different free agent names. Um if you guys missed a couple couple episodes ago, I looked at free agent starters on that, so you can go check that out. Um we’ll be back, we’ll obviously talk more. I think soon we might uh draw up some actual Brendon Donovan trades and think about that soon. Um, or he might just get traded. You know, how funny would it be if he’s sitting there with us on the charity live stream and the tweet comes through? I don’t know if it’d be funny because I think we’d lose him. I don’t I don’t think he would just keep doing the stream. We’d be like, we probably have to go, but like I don’t know. Funny funny is probably not the word, but it was just like that would be just be like it would I mean we’d I mean you probably you would you would hear a lot about it. People be like, “Well, he’s on the D on the cards podcast and he got traded.” But yeah. Yeah, unfortunate. Well, we’ll be wearing our headbands or wearing uh Yankees caps in honor of him depending on what happens there. So, oh well. Um yeah, speaking of the charity live stream December, what is it? The 16 15th 16th I think. Uh Tuesday. Yeah, December Tuesday, December 16th. Join us on the charity live stream. We’ll have Brendan. We’re co-hosting it with Brendan or um we have Brendan Donovan. He’ll be joining us as our future guest. um raising money for the Kaufman fund. We’d love for you to join us. We got awesome guests that we’ll be announcing here soon as well. And I think it’s safe to say we can say Bernie Molas is joining us for most of the night, but we’ll also have some fun guests alongside that with that as well. Um like we’ve done in past years as well. Five minutes is our Yes, we will not cut into Cream’s time this time again. Um but we’ll also have giveaways some fun stuff as well. Hoping to raise a bunch of money for the Kaufman fund which helps support veterans as well. So please join us for that. You can join us live at 314 sports car sports cards and collectibles that evening or obviously on the stream um as well. Again, we’ll be back midweek with some kind of episode um kind of debating between current news or maybe doing some fun like retroactive stuff. I’ve got a fun draft idea I want to do at some point this off season. Um but always appreciate the support you guys provide for this podcast. Again, if you’re listening on um on YouTube, like and subscribe. Helps channel a ton. If you’re on audio, rate and review the podcast. 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The St. Louis Cardinals are rumored to be moving on from a number of key pieces this offseason via trade. What kinds of pieces could they get back for Brendan Donovan, Lars Nootbaar, Nolan Gorman, or others that could bolster their future? We dive into a number of intriguing names, primarily on the pitching side, that the Cardinals could look to acquire.

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