What Can We Expect From Max Brosmer?

What Can We Expect From Max Brosmer?

Like it or not, you’re going to watch Max Brosmer on TV with your family on Thanksgiving weekend. So, what can we expect to even get out of that? Welcome to the Locked On Vikings podcast. You are Locked On Vikings, your daily Minnesota Vikings podcast, part of the Locked On Network, your team every day. Hey, hey everybody. Welcome to the Locked On Vikings podcast where we’re always trying to learn something new. It’s part of the Locked On podcast network, the number one sports podcasting network. Today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now, new customers can bet just $5 and if your bet wins, you get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving if you are uh in America and celebrate that. If you missed yesterday’s show, we had a show like normal, even though it was a holiday. It was a crossover with Corbin Smith of Locked on Seahawks, which will serve as a much more comprehensive preview of this game than what you’re going to get today. But today, I really wanted to focus on Max Bromer and a little bit on how to attack Sam Darnold on the other side, plus the Z overunder and your bold prediction. So, we’ve got a lot to get to today. Um the but but I really wanted to start with Brosmer. Um I am recording this before Thanksgiving. I’m recording this on Wednesday, so I’ve only seen one injury report. JJ McCarthy limited with the concussion. However, reports and comments from Kevin O’Connell are that it’s going to be Brosmer, that it’s not going to be JJ McCarthy. I guess if he clears the protocol magically, maybe there’s something, but he won’t have practiced all week. And we know from the past that Kevin Oonnell is not willing to throw JJ in without practicing all week. Uh I I think he needs as much practice as he can get. So, I kind of get it. But setting JJ McCarthy aside, we get a reprieve from that for a second. Um, we’re going to see Bromer at least this week. And so, what is it about Bromer that the Vikings have liked enough to give him the backup role even with John Walford in the building who is an experienced backup? Now, he’s not a guy that has made the team all the time. You know, this is not Chase Daniel. This is not what Nick Mullins or Carson Wentz could have been like a proven player that you know, you know, you can throw in, but he still has some experience and Kevin Oonnell has experience with him. So, why go with Brosmer? And there are a few things you can see that they probably liked in the preseason that they went with. Plus, Wolford joined the middle of the season and Bromer’s been there all of camp, which is a big deal. Um, but I wanted to take the time to really discuss Max Bromer’s play. So, in the preseason, I did a Patreon video. It’s at patreon.com/loop NFL about Max Brosmer’s big day against the Patriots. and um sort of highlighted him as well as a bunch of other stuff that was going on back that time. But I sort of highlighted him and wanted to talk about some of the things he did in that game. And he had a a very nice preseason by preseason standards, but the thing about the preseason is that you you you only see vanilla coverages and you don’t really see everybody’s best shot. Not to mention you’re playing against backups and stuff, but really it’s it’s I think for quarterbacks it’s hard because every read you see is what you get. There’s not a lot of unc untangling disguises, so you can kind of, hey, if if that safety is going back and dropping into the half, it’s cover two. Like, you just know what else you’re going to see. And so, it’s a little easier to kind of sus things out. And so, you can see those kind of pure progression reads. Um, a and so what I think I liked about Brosmer is, you know, he’s got the throwing motion that we’ve kind of been asking for from McCarthy. That’s never been an issue with him. Um, and he’s had I I think he’s done a reasonable enough job with the the progressions in general. Maybe a little slow to get to stuff. He’s a rookie, right? And what he did in Minnesota and what he was able to do in New Hampshire is a much different world than what you’re doing. It’s the same thing as Michigan to Minnesota or anywhere in the college to the Minnesota Vikings and and a McVey style offense with 25word play calls. But they also didn’t have him doing the super super complicated stuff you necessarily need to do. uh in this offense because it was also preseason and the Vikings didn’t want to uncover any of the stuff that they thought was going to be their tricky stuff that was going to make it work. So, there is a lot of I don’t know if he can do that. And there’s kind of two ways that that can go. They either ask him to and it collapses and it’s a disaster. And that’s functionally what’s happened with McCarthy. They asked McCarthy to do a lot of stuff that he clearly could not handle and it has collapsed into something that would that’s that’s much worse than, you know, running the backup QB offense with the training wheels on. Or they can put the training wheels on and you’ll get something that’s probably pretty conservative and you’re not going to really have a lot of faith in it and on third and 16 or if you need two scores in five minutes, but it’s going to be something that moves the ball and at least gives you a chance to be in the game if the defense really steps up, which we’ll get to. So, how does Brosmer fare in that world? Um, the training wheels world. Uh, and and that is where I what I think we’re going to see. And it’s okay. It’s again, he I think he can deliver the ball with reasonable accuracy. Sometimes he’ll miss. And I don’t think I think the biggest thing with Brosmer that really prevented him from being a bigger prospect coming out was the control over his lower half. Um, it’s not as wild and, you know, freshly birthed fawn that JJ McCarthy has become. And and a level of pan, I talked about it a lot yesterday, the level of panic has kind of turned that into some like really weird kind of zombie running in a comedy movie kind of monster. Um, but what what it what it is with Brosmer is I think his eyes are working okay and his feet aren’t really following. It’s not necessarily that he his he loses control, but rather that he struggles to get his feet lined up where where his arm wants to throw the ball, that he’s just not precise about that and that leads to inaccuracy and so he’s just going to miss throws. Um I I think his arm strength, if I recall from what people told me about his time in Minnesota, which I’m not that familiar with. I’m familiar enough with like what PJ Fleck likes to do in Minnesota. Um, but I’m not too familiar with Bromer’s like college tape, which I would put the preseason tape over college tape anyways. Uh, but it sounds to me like they didn’t really trust a lot of arm, like he didn’t showcase a lot of like raw arm strength at uh, Minnesota. And not having not getting everything out of your lower base is part of that, too. If your feet aren’t aligned, that usually means you’re not getting as much torque as you want either. And that means that the ball’s not going to come out as powerfully. So, you’re not going to get accuracy deep. You’re not going to be able to zip it into tight windows and do the things that arm strength allows you to do. I thought that what we saw in the preseason and in camp showed that he has he has an adequate enough arm, but that he’s just not getting like a ton of power the way that you would really want, right? I would also say that there’s just these general kind of athletic limitations. And when you’re talking about a prospect, right, when we’re in April and we’re talking draft and you have a prospect that’s older and doesn’t show that athletic ceiling, no matter how much polish he shows, he’s not going to be the most highly soughta guy. Polished, but not a high ceiling athlete, you’re not going to spend assets on that, right? You’re maybe going to bring him into the building, see if he can be a reasonable backup for you. And I think that’s what Bromer’s really playing for here. Obviously, if he, you know, puts up 450 and three touchdowns and we and we feel like we got a Brock party, that’s a different thing. But that’s such an outlier scenario. And I just don’t think we get to be that lucky. Rather, he is, I think, playing for the luxury of being the backup quarterback because I don’t think it’s going to be Wentz next year. I don’t think they bring him back. I don’t think Kevin Oonnell was very satisfied with him based on some of his comments and you can just kind of see the the the way that he treated Wentz was with the training wheels and that’s not a guy you have a lot of confidence in. So I’m really curious to see just the degree of difficulty that this guy who even on normal drop back struggles to get his feet right. Are we going to make him set his feet to a pump fake to the sideline before he sets his feet to a concept over the middle if he can’t even do it out of the drop back in the first place? Or do we just make this as easy as possible and and try to get him to line things up as best as he can and hope he hits enough throws? But all of that is a moot point if the Vikings can’t stop the Seahawks from snowballing on them. And the Seahawks have snowballed in some of these. It is like the the the 2024 Vikings with Darnold. Um where they would just some some of these games have just been over by halftime. Um and that that cannot happen to the Vikings when you have a backup third string. You could maybe even argue like I mean fourth string coming into camp, right? Probably wouldn’t argue that now because those two guys got cut. So fourth string coming into camp that has earned a third string job. Uh, and then like an an AAF alum as a backup, you can’t get into a hole in this one and like expect yourself to claw back out. You need to be able to rely on the run game and play action and you can’t have Dlineman teeing off and and making that guy’s life hell. So, how does the defense force Sam Darnold into those rough situations? How do you attack the guy that you know so well so that this doesn’t become the coronation of Sam Darnold as he dunks over and over and over on the team that spurned him? That’s what the Vikings cannot have. But I think that there is a pretty good chance that they have it. That’ll be next on Lockdown Vikings. 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Right now, FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets when your first $5 bet wins. So, head to fanduel.com to sign up and play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Moving on here with the Lockdown Vikings podcast. Before we get to this overunder, I really quickly just want to discuss Sam Darnold and the season he’s been having in Seattle. It does seem like he is having a very similar year to the one he had in 2024. And similarly to last year, he is being discussed as an MVP candidate and deserves to be at least in that conversation. Um, he’s hitting a ton of explosives. They have in Seattle, they have a more of a run game than he had in Minnesota. So, they’re he also they also have to ask less of him and they’ve had a much easier time putting teams away so you’re not getting all those weird comebacks. Um, but he is he is playing really really excellent ball and then he plays the Rams and he melts down for four interceptions and you go, hm, maybe there is a path here to this totally unassalable offense that at times has been the best in the league. Maybe there’s a a a crack that we can find that we can exploit that we can go um, you know, wriggle our way into and and try to pry open the armor, right? And for Darnold here, that crack was interior pressure, right? like it is with a lot of quarterbacks. That’s not unique to him at all. But interior pressure, not only did it lead to a lot of sacks, especially in that nine sack mess of a wild card game that the Vikings lost, but it also leads to bad decisions, right? To, you know, throwing an ill-advised pass to the sideline and getting it picked off um or to just, you know, scrambling around and doing those kind of bozo things. We had a lot of that where Darnold would, you know, give up a fumble he shouldn’t give up or he would throw one right to a Dlineman and he shouldn’t do that. That gene is in him and always will be. And if you can get his him rattled enough, it will come out. As he has gotten older, that’s gotten harder and harder and harder and harder. And that’s why he is such a different guy than he was with the Jets where that would come out every game, right? But if the Vikings can make that interior pressure happen, that’s got to be the way. It’s got to be the way. It’s got to be a Jayvon Hargrave game. The problem is they can just run on Javvon Harrave. So, it maybe has to be a blitz Eric Wilson kind of game. Get him off the edge. That’s a stupid idea. I really hate it and I really want them to get him. They’re not going to do it, but I really hate it. Um, get him to his natural position of inside linebacker. Let him blitz stuff. and he’s honestly as an an offball linebacker, he’s having a good enough season to warrant the Vikings bringing him back and letting him compete at least for a starting role. Um, and and really that’s what this season has turned into is, you know, it’s a little bit every man for himself in, you know, this this season is not going anywhere as a team, but maybe I can earn a contract. Maybe I can look at my incentive. I I got a, you know, deal coming up. I’m in the last year of my deal and I got free agency coming up. a lot of one-year deal guys that can play well enough to earn a place here in this franchise for the long term. That’s going to be what they go for now, right? And it’s just a different motivating factor. And and so this could be that game if Eric Wilson can a be productive against the run and b be productive on the blitz against those running backs and and find a way to get Sam Darnold down. can get sacks, ruin drives, get pressure, cause interceptions, and then suddenly you’re giving Max Bromer short fields and an easy time rather than letting them march down the field every single time and then suddenly Bromer has to go toe-to-toe with one of the best offenses in the league. With all that said, the Vikings are the biggest underdog in the league this this week. They’re 11 and a half point underdogs on the road against Seattle. Nobody no spread is that high in the NFL right now. This is as big of a chasm as it gets between two teams right now. And it’s only I mean look the the next few games are not teams on Seattle’s level. It’s Washington and then it’s the Cowboys and it’s the Giants and those teams have all had their blemishes and and at times have looked as bad as the Vikings have looked. Um so this might be the hardest matchup left on the schedule and the biggest the spread gets. But there is this world where the Vikings, like nobody believes in you. They’re coming into your house and taking your meal. What are you going to do about it? Right? That Michael Irvin rant, that famous one. Um, and so far, people have believed in the Vikings more. So, let’s take a quick look at the betting lines and what my rabbits picked. of course with the Zover on I do want to just discuss that the Vikings are I think they’re on a I think they’ve they they’ve lost like seven of the last eight or something like that against the spread just the Lions game that they covered. Um they are 3-8 or 4-7 against the spread depending on when you got in on the Cleveland game cuz when they changed quarterbacks the line moved and that turned out to be matter. So depending on how you count that for me because I did that game uh for those overunder before that line changed. They’re three and eight to me but they’re probably four and seven to you if you bet on that game after Dylan Gabriel got announced as the starter. But all that is to say, the last few of these overunders, we’ve looked at this spread and seen that, you know, the the the world still had this belief in the Vikings that they would turn it around, even though the narrative was never that. The narrative has been just absolutely brutalizing the Vikings over and over and they’ve been everybody’s favorite punching bag. It’s you would still see that they were, you know, that the spread wasn’t that bad, that JJ McCarthy was, you know, 210 in in the passing prop. Well, now Max Brosmer is at 169 and a half. That’s as low of a passing prop that I think I’ve seen all year. It’s an 11 and a half point underdogs. There are no receivers on on FanDuel. Um Aaron Jones 45 and a half. That’s as low as he gets. Now the world, if we take these FanDuel betting lines and use them as a proxy for public opinion, which is what this overunder is, now the world sees the Vikings in the same light that they see the Titans or the Raiders or the Jets. and production-wise they’re right to do so. So now that has to be the challenge, but I I don’t think that there is a locker room culture to speak of anymore. Um I I I think that the Vikings have very clearly lo it has been beaten down. whatever locker room resilience they had that brought them to through tough moments in the last few years, you know, brought them through the the Colts comeback or let them be competitive with Josh Dobs in 2023 or brought them back from a from a losing streak last year year or comeback efforts there. That is gone. This is a team that sucks and knows it sucks. And somewhere in that world, you need to have the guy that says, “Hey, we’ve all been to the playoffs. We’ve all been in the league for a while. There’s a lot of veterans here. There’s a lot of talent here. We can be good. They think we’re one of the worst teams in the league. Let’s go out there and prove them wrong. You need that. I don’t know who’s saying that. I don’t know who’s who is there now. Um but but to stop the bleeding at least. Somebody needs to say that or this turns into from 4 and seven and mediocrity to four and 13 and one of the worst seasons in the in the entire history of the Vikings. And you just don’t want to be that. Um, of course, the other part of this segment is me watching my rabbits pick the game. And in this particular case, um, obviously it’s pretty rough when it’s an 11-point spread. Um, they were pretty sleepy at the time, so they kind of had to get up and stretch as they worked their way down. Um, it’s getting close, though. Zoe Zostradamus is on a losing streak. She’s down to six and five and Ziti is 5-6. Ziti picked the Seattle Seahawks boxing Zoe out and and forcing her around to pick the Minnesota Vikings. So, we have a split decision again. And if the Seahawks cover, Ziti will take the first lead he’s had since I think 2023. So, the uh the plot thickens on the Z under. Next up, your bold predictions about this game and I’m looking forward to them on the Lockown Vikings podcast. Moving on with the locked on Vikings podcast. It is time for your bold Seattle Seahawks predictions. And congratulations everybody. We got one this week. So I will announce that uh in a little bit. But first, the ones that didn’t hit. Vikes guy said that Isaiah Rogers would have two interceptions like he predicted this year. Uh that did not happen. We had a close one if I recall, but uh not quite. Ben said that JJ would ball out and get 300 yards passing and I added three touchdowns to that. We um well, we didn’t we didn’t quite get there. Milo Grahams said that the uh Vikings would score their first touchdown after the Wild score their first goal. Said that the Vikings did have to score a touchdown for this one to be live. I think that did technically happen, but they didn’t score a touchdown. So, I’m glad you caveed that. I would have added it if you didn’t, but that doesn’t hit. Tim Pet said that uh JJ McCarthy would set a new season high and lose or set a new season low and win. Um unfortunately he set a season low and lost. It was just the worst possible thing that could have happened. Drunken Vike said that uh at Lambo we would long at long last have the long-awaited Aaron Jones revenge game popping off for a career record. Of course, we didn’t get that. And Shadow said that the Vikings would res would get nine scoring drives in this game. Uh, they didn’t even get nine drives. I or I think they No, I don’t think they saw the a ball the ninth time the ball the ninth time. I think the Malik Willis drive ended the game. So, uh, woof, big woof for all of that. But Caleb Oaji did make it happen. He said that J.J. McCarthy would finish with less passing yards than Green Bay had rushing yards. And let me tell you folks, it wasn’t even close. Emanuel Wilson on his own had 107 rushing yards. JJ McCarthy with only 87 passing. That is a bold prediction hit. So, Caleb Osagi, I know that you uh know how to get to me. Just give me an email address that you can link to that you have linked to a Patreon account and I will give you three months free of my Patreon page and let me know what charity you would like for me to donate $20 to. Uh I of course get veto power if you give me something ridiculous, but uh for the most part that we haven’t had to do that yet. So, Caleb, I would love to see what you want me to donate to. $20 is yours. Um, let’s move on to this week’s. First one comes from Wasting Will Riker’s Prime says that Will the Thrill will make more field goals than Brosmer will complete passes. This is an old school bull prediction where the the the numbers have to be crazy ridiculous. Uh, but hey, you know, sometimes you do have games where the the guy’s like nine for 18, you know, and it’s crazy. And well, that still would be a record-breaking number of field goals, wouldn’t it? Maybe we could say kicks. Can we say kicks? I’m going to say kicks so we can add extra points. So, will the throw will make more kicks than Brosmer will complete passes? I think that one makes it a little bit more fun to like a little bit more of a sweat. Uh, John, walk him down. Walford says, “Feel like I’m taking crazy pills the way everyone seems to think Bromer is the second coming of Tom Brady.” So, my bold prediction is that Brosmer is actually way worse than McCarthy and John Wolford leads a game-winning drive. So, I am going to add to this one as well. This has to be a true benching for this to happen. So your your your bold prediction is Brosmer is even worse than M McC McCarthy and and gets benched for Walford who then comes in and wins the game. I don’t know if I necessarily need Well, no. Leads a game-winning drive. You you did make your name John Walom down Walford. So we need the John Walford legacy drive to happen for this. Yeah. Um look, I get it too with that. Like I I I get like I think there are people that are being a little bit that are expecting a little bit too much out of this Brosmer thing. And there are a lot of excited Gophers fans that loved him in Minnesota and are excited to get him to to see if he’s going to work out in the pros. It would be very fun if your favorite college puts out a good player, right? We all love to watch Antoine Winfield and everyone’s rooting for Tyler Nuben, too. Like we we love those Gophers in the league. Um, and and I think that’s making people expect a little too much, but it’s also just so easy to recall a Brock Party or Tom Brady situation or a Tony Romo, right? These these low rated guys coming out and surprising the world. But what you forget is that for every one of those guys, there’s like 15 Joel Stavies. So, we have to temper our expectations a little bit. I think that’s maybe we should learn how to temper our expectations this year. Uh, Milo Grahams says that last year the Kirk Cousins return game was such a big deal. Will Kirk play well? Will he be bad or amazing? But by the fourth quarter, we’d almost forgotten about Kirk playing for the Falcons and it was about Sam Darnold being who he was most of the season. So, I expect the same thing for Brosmer. Everything will be talking about Darnold facing the team that that resurrected him and he’ll have like a marginal statline, but Brosmer will throw for four touchdowns. I’m not going to try to define marginal stat line. It just would be, you know, hey, if it’s somewhere in his average or somewhere, you know, something that nobody writes home about, I’m going to be fine with that no matter what shape it takes. Um, but the four touchdowns of Bromer is really the key of this pred prediction. Ed says it can always get worse. We should know this as Vikings fans. Ed, you’re an everydayer. I can tell. Uh, Bromer manages a worse EPA per dropback than JJ McCarthy has managed in any of his games as the Vikings once again fail to register an offensive touchdown. So for McCarthy, that record is last week. It was minus0.67 on True Media. I did a whole game on the Squad Show about games that are worse than that. I’ll give you some examples. There is no Johnny Manzel game that is worse than that. That’s a that that that’s I think the kicker. But to get a game that’s worse than worse than that, you need to go to say Jiren Hall’s game uh first half. It didn’t quite qualify because there weren’t enough dropbacks. Um, but if I lowered the qualifier there, it would have been worse. Um, there’s like a minus.7 that’s like a little bit worse. It was um, where was it? It was Oh, it was Josh Rosen’s worst game in Miami. Uh, you could get something like uh, in 2017 when Sam Bradford tried to come back from the knee injury on Monday Night Football in Soldier and he sucked that bad. Um, that was worse. you. So, we’re talking about a level of game like that level of game almost certainly would come with a benching. Um, and so I will again I’ll put like an injury reboot like what we get at prize picks or FanDuel like an injury reboot thing. Um, where if he gets a concussion on the second drop back and the first drop back was an interception, I’m not I’m going to null this one. But otherwise, you know, if he just plays a half and he gets benched because he was so bad, I I’ll I’ll give you that so long as the EPA for dropback is also there, even if the sample size is small. Uh the 12th man says 12 will make his starting NFL debut with one touchdown, two interception, two interceptions, 12 sacks, and 120 to 1222 yards. I’m going to make that 120 to 129 yards. So like 12 will be the start of the number anyways. I love this. one one and one to2 in TD interception ratio, 12 sacks um and 120 something yards. And the last one comes from Red from New Zealand who says, “We get average Darnold this week. Maybe he doesn’t do much to beat us. Defense plays well. Bros does okay, throws a TD, maybe two.” Um he’s essentially predicting a close-ish game, something that comes down to the wire and the Vikings will lose on special teams, a biblical weather event or some ridiculous Favre to Freeman type play because this is what we are now. this is what 2025 is for the Vikings. So essentially like this is a hard prediction to nail down, but I think what we need is I need to feel like that play is going to get replayed in 5 years on its fifth anniversary and we’re going to think, hey, like with the Favre to Freeman play, right? When it’s the 20th anniversary of the Favre to Freeman play, you’re going to see it on social media. You’re going to see it at halftime of whatever game the Vikings are playing that week. And I’m going to say that we have to be kind of on that level. We want to see replays of that all the time. Um, that is going to do it for this episode of Locked On Vikings. But before I go, I just want to leave you with this. The season is completely sideways. And I don’t have any expectation. Like I said on the crossover yesterday, I have no expectation that the Vikings are going to turn this around. They just haven’t proven that they have what it takes to do so. um they they’re just not made up of the right stuff right now. But if the Vikings go into Seattle, pull off a spicy upset with their third string quarterback, it you’re allowed to let that change your perception of the Vikings a little bit and update things as as things move on. And from a mathematical perspective, the only thing stopping the Vikings from winning out is the Vikings. Now, that is a powerful obstacle to get by. But I say all the time, it’s not over till the fat lady sings. And while I feel as like as hopeless as all of you, it isn’t over till the fat lady sings. Uh, and so we’re we’re going to kind of keep at this, but you know, uh, as the week goes on, I will be, uh, going I’m probably I I don’t know if I’m going to be able to go live on the postgame squad show because I’ll be out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday, but I will have uh, the next morning I will have a a recap up and we’ll talk about whatever horrors we are subjected to. I will see you all for that. And as always, skull.

Barring unforeseen circumstances, Max Brosmer is going to make his NFL debut in Seattle this weekend. So what can we expect? How does Brosmer’s game work? Get filled in before the game.

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