What to expect from Shedeur Sanders in his 2nd NFL start + Ohio State vs. Michigan preview

What to expect from Shedeur Sanders in his 2nd NFL start + Ohio State vs. Michigan preview

I don’t think Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Yeah. Heat. I think you want to make it. Heat. Heat. Jay Crawford, Adam the Bull, Garrett Bush, Dustin Fox, Jason Lloyd, Tyus Powell, plusa da da da, you’re loving him, Mikey McNugget. and so many big names, it would take me hours to say all of their names. The ultimate Cleveland sports show starts now. Booyah. Hey, welcome everybody to a postth Thanksgiving Friday edition of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show along with G. Bush and Jason Lloyd. I’m Adam the Bull. We got Mike and Steve on the other side of the glass. Earl uh is around and uh he’ll be getting Zack Jackson in studio with us. Jack Zach sounding he’s got a his voice is a mess, but he’s he’s still doing his job. He’s coming through. He’s playing with us. Yeah, playing hurt. And so he’ll join us in a little bit. Obviously, uh lot to get to football-wise. Everybody have a nice Thanksgiving. Beautiful, man. Beautiful, man. You know, people’s came into town. Yeah. Um, you know, it snowed a little bit, but you know, it was great. It was a great game. Jason, I was out at nine o’clock last night with a can of starter fluid. I almost said lighter fluid. Starter fluid trying to get the snowb blower started. I have not successful. Unsuccessful, man. Lot of snow. Yeah. I think it’ll be gone Sunday, but I had it plowed anyway. Really? Why? It’s not going to get that. Oh, the It’s going to be above freezing enough to be like 39. I think it’s going to be a miserable day at the game. Oh, yeah. From the sounds. It certainly Well, I’m a little insulted, Mike. Uh, I invited Mike for Thanksgiving. He went to Jason’s house instead. I mean, I went too far. He picked Hold on. Hold on. I ended up going somewhere after I stopped by Jason’s for what, an hour? Yeah, about an hour. And it was literally 5 minutes away from where I was going, so it was on the way. Hey, did I should ask you this off the Did you Uber? Yeah, I Ubered. Okay. Cuz my my mom left to go cuz she lives close to us. Yeah. And when she came back, Mike was already gone. And my mom goes, “There was no car. Like, how did did he fly here? How did you get here? There was no car. Actually, you might have Ubered. Yeah. So, that a lot of Ubering going on to uh the deep depths of the area lake. Well, I had friends. I ended up meeting up with some friends after Jason’s. Yeah. And I want to give them a shout out in a sec. But a couple of them were driving and they were going back the same direction I was. So, it was like, why are we going to all? So, it was just easier to Uber to Jason’s. Then it was a fiveminute Uber from Jason’s to where I was going and then I got a ride back. Yeah. So, he left both of us for dinner. Yeah, he only stopped by. He just stopped by to say hello. I literally watched the first half of the first game with Jason. Hung out with this kid. AJ hair, by the way. His hair is absurd. Uh AJ’s hair is absurd. We ate late yesterday because my oldest works third shift, so he didn’t get off till 7 a.m. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, he went home and went to bed. And shout out to all the all the third shifters. I used to work I used to work as a night auditor at uh uh the uh Marriott. So, I did that for a whole two years. That was crazy. In this business, uh, you know, especially in the radio business for as long as I was. I mean, I’m I’m I’ve worked many Thanksgivings and Christmases and New Year’s Eve. That was the thing like Erin Andrew said the other day about if you want to work in this because you’re working when everybody else is having fun. That’s the whole point. The games go on at night, weekends, and holidays. Nobody feels sorry for her, nor any of else. Nor should they, but it was a valid point she was making and a lot of people said, “Shut up. You make a lot of money.” No, but they’re still humans and they’re still away from their families and it still sucks. That’s all she was saying. It sucks for I I started working at the fan like in 20 well since day one which was at what 20 23rd 2011. 2011. So I was working I worked every single Saturday. Yeah. Every single Sunday. every single like holiday whether it was that was the time that you like okay everybody and then summer people on vacation you like no you’re going to fill in for this guy and this guy and this guy you work the times where this where everybody so yeah I I this business I think will you got to have a strong person that like support you because I think me just wanting to do that so bad was the decay of at least two and a half of one of my relationships I’m blaming that on two engagements I and had four. The rest of them might have been me, but I’m going to put I kind of liked working on when I was in New York. I obviously worked a lot of holidays cuz I was a part-timer and I liked working those days because felt like a lot of people were listening even though it was a holiday cuz there wasn’t and you got the opportunity and I got it great opportunity to be on like during the day in New York and it was uh also you know on holidays more now than there used to be but certainly when I was first coming up like on the holidays there wouldn’t be a lot of original programming on the radio on TV at all. Now there’s more, but still so like there’s not a lot of options if you want to, you know, do something live. So anyway, we had a nice we had we had a bunch of friends come over, two different families. We had a we had a nice time and uh it was a great day. A lot of snow. Lot of snow. Lot of lot of food. A lot of leftovers. Go ahead, Mike. Uh no, I just wanted to chime in on something G said and you guys said, you know, your first reps in TV when you’re not the main sports guy come when the sports guys get off. And that happened. My first time ever on TV was Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving Eve and then Christmas and Christmas. I didn’t spend a holiday with my family for like 3 years. And in hindsight, those are like the most important reps I’ve ever gotten in my entire life. I’m incredibly, you know, it sucks missing family or missing holidays with family, but at the same time, if you want to progress in the industry, like those are the chances you get to show what you can do. And I’ve met some really cool people over the years and been taken in both. I had Christmas or Thanksgiving with you. I’ve been to Jason’s. Earl invited me out. um over the years like different families have kind of taken me in because I I don’t go home for a lot of holidays and it grows your network and it shows you there are some really really good people out there. And I want to shout out Jim and Connie yesterday who took a bunch of us in yesterday. It was an awesome Thanksgiving. This is Jim by the way. Watch the show. So shout out to Jim. He’s like 6’8. He’s huge. Jeez. I’m standing on a chair cuz I don’t you play basketball with No, it’s Jenna’s dad. Shout out to Jenna and Aaron and Christy and G and Will and Norm and Kosas. He’s huge. Yeah, it was a great time yesterday. Very thankful for having them uh bring even it wasn’t even their house. It was their friend’s house. But giant gathering, the food was awesome and it was a blast. I just wanted to shout out Jim because he said he watches the show. I told him I would do this. So shout out to Jim and uh I’ll be back next year because it was so much fun. His name His name is Big Jim from now on. Big Jim. Yeah. My first Thank my first show ever in New York was on Thanksgiving, too. It was right after the triple header. I Well, Mike Mike just told both of us he’s not coming over next year for Thanksgiving. Yeah, you’re out there. You’re right. No, he just said he’s going back next year. And I do and I do I will say people looking around like, “Dang, bro, you didn’t invite the white dude to your spot, bro.” Like, you just they you just go to the Now, actually, McNuggets came to a birthday party at my house and so did I. Yeah, you were there. And it was a lot of people there. It was a lot of people. It was packed. So, he was inviting people from the gas station over for his birthday party. Shout out to Yeah. Shout out to that. Now, here now, unfortunately, um the world is crazy now, so I I can’t never throw parties again, but you know, it was nice while it lasted. All right, with that, yeah, happy Thanksgiving. We appreciate everyone who watched our spin-off shows yesterday. We are back 90 minutes here, 30 minutes on WKYC, and then let’s dive into it, bowl, our only sponsor of the day is FanDuel, just one. And we love FanDuel. The NBA is back, the NFL is getting ready for the postseason. There’s no better place to get in on the action than with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Even if you miss the start of a game or want to ride the hot hand, FanDuel has live bets on everything from who will score next to fourth quarter comebacks. Right now, FanDuel is giving new customers $300 in bonus bets on their first $5 bet wins. So, head over to fanduel.com/uss and sign up to play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NFL. I I think we’re deep enough into the season, Mike. You can’t say NBA’s back at this point. We get a new read starting Monday. So, on Monday, we will have a new fan read, but we’re gonna have to do one more this show with the NBA. No editorial control on you. Now, I got to cut a whole new commercial. Thanks a lot, Bull. You want variation from night to night. Uh guys, we go back to Shador Sanders making his second start, his first home start against the 49ers this weekend. And I went back and I was looking at Dylan Gabriel’s first two starts. His best start of that five and a half game tenure was against Minnesota. And then that second start against Pittsburgh where we had our live postgame show at Sweetport Wilson’s was uh less than still. That was the 50 plus pass attempt for 220 yards. Right. Right. G, how much does film and a team having film on a quarterback make an impact between their first start and their second start? We’ll get to the weather and that stuff in a sec, but just big picture, how much does a week of film and maybe knowing a little bit more of a young quarterback’s tendencies help a defense prepare and the young quarterback know where he needs to improve from that first to second start? A ton. It’s everything, man. It’s everything. Like, you know, I think people people don’t understand how, you know, you could play a team and you can do well against that team and it can show up and you can look great, but the next week it’s a completely different test. just a completely different, you know, uh, set of questions and answers that you got to find in real time. So, you know, when you look at people having film on you, that is the that that’s the the book, right? So, when they come in, they’re going to look at the two games that you played and say, “Okay, let’s see what the data is.” And, you know, we talk about analytics, but they’ll have, you know, where he throws the football, whether or not he scrambles or tries to escape to the right or left. does he have a tendency to to not throw the out route to the lefthand side? And they’ll have all of that and they’ll come up with a game plan that they believe, especially with any rookie quarterback, the the the goal is confusion. Um the one of the reasons why Joe Joe Flacco and some of these other guys and coaches like veterans is because veterans have already seen pretty much everything that you can see in in the game, right? Everything under the sun. So, if they if they, you know, they’re not going to play based on being confused. They’re going to play based on whether or not they made the throw or they accurately got the ball there or they have the skill sets to do it. But with young guys, they they ain’t seen everything like they haven’t seen a cover three look, but we going to invert the cover three backside and man it up and run match coverage. They haven’t seen that. So, their their clock is going to be slower. it’s going to take him a little bit longer to to recognize and what what to do and you know you’re going to get fooled sometimes just like he got fooled on the interception um against the Raiders. So you know that’s part of the game and that’s part of you know the maturation and trying to figure out um you know to be successful but week to week is always different and you going to have some guys that got the tape on you and you just got to figure it out in in real time. Jason, eventually they’re gonna have to let him play quarterback because that’s really hasn’t happened yet. I mean, when the restraints that they’ve put on him in the game in Vegas, it was a lot of this and it was a lot of this and he had the great scramble and the great throw to Bond, but he sort of created that on his own. This week, I don’t think this week’s going to be any different. It’s going to be 20, 30 mph winds and it’s going to be raining. Like, this is going to be Miami all over again if the weather if the weather is what we think it is. Now, Miami, the weather didn’t wind up being as bad as we thought it was going to be. But if it’s high winds and rain, they’re not going to put the ball in danger and they’re not going to put him in jeopardy of of making mistakes. But eventually, this has to get to the point where he can go to the line and he can make the checks and they trust him enough to get him get them into the right plays into the right coverages and all that stuff. They are not at that point yet. I just watch the game. Just watch the film from the last six quarters. I don’t know if necessarily this is the game that that’ll happen, but eventually we have to get there. Well, uh, in fact, somebody I don’t remember who I can’t remember now if it was Sean King or I can’t remember who said this earlier in the week, uh, but they said basically just let him loose like give him the open up again. Maybe it doesn’t happen this week uh because of the weather, but the Browns need to know no matter how you feel about the situation. And I’ve decided sidebar that getting angry like obviously discussing Shadore Sanders right now is just a ridiculous thing. It’s it’s like discussing politics unfortunately because there’s a good percentage of people that have picked a side and they won’t be moved off their side and you can’t say anything even neutral because otherwise you’re an in. I’m I I think often in the media we get mad at and frustrated by that situation and I I think it’s pointless. Uh and most of it’s on social media which is not real life anyway. I’m sidebarring uh off that to just say like I I I don’t even know where I’m where the hell I’m going with this. But the point is like these arguments are stupid. Okay. When the re when the reality is neither one extreme nor the other in most cases and with Shador Sanders you were saying Sean just cut him loose and let him play. just cut him loose because the Browns need to find out. I totally agree with that. By the end of this season, totally agree. Do you move forward with Shador Sanders? Yeah. And that doesn’t mean he has to be perfect between now and then, but they need to know is have have we seen enough that we can move forward with him because in a perfect world, if you can move forward with him, well, then there’s so you have four top 40 picks next year, right? Or top whatever that third that wherever they end up, you know, around top 40. If you don’t have to draft a quarterback, that’s a huge thing. Now, it’s easy to say, well, they’re going to do it no matter what. And that may be so. However, if they end up winning some games and end up with five, even six wins, I don’t think six is likely, but let’s say they win five games. Well, they’re not picking. There’s going to be two quarterbacks going before they draft. Yeah. So, the Raiders are going to have a worse record most likely. They need a quarterback. The Jets are going to have a worse record. They need a quarterback. the Titans will will not draft a quarterback, but Saints possibly what the Saints possibly could take. The Saints maybe now the Titans might trade if they end up with the first pick. But then if you’re the Browns, let’s say you’re trading up for Well, now you’re using multiple first round picks. So either way, like the perfect scenario is that Shadore Sanders is the answer. But it would be insane right now to say he clearly is or clearly is not. If you if you’re sure that Shador Sanders right now is the answer or isn’t the answer, you’re fooling yourself. We don’t know. He’s played a game and a half. We have no idea. So, we got to see more. Now, I don’t know. We’re going to know. I don’t know that we’ll know for sure by the end of the year one way or the other either, but we got we do have five more games, right? Or six. You have six six more games, right? We have six more games. we can get a good I a much better idea after six more games if he’s able to play the rest of the season which hopefully he will. So, but that’s what we need to know. I got a question real real quick and something you said you mentioned I went off the topic. I’m sorry. No, no, no. It’s fine. It’s fine. But you you said four top 40 picks. Am I I know three. Did I say four? You said four. I just want I didn’t mean to say four. I was making three top 40 picks. Yeah. So, Bull, let me ask you this then. If you go back and look at Gabriel’s first two starts and Steve, if you want to pull up uh uh 42. Here you can see the progression or the degression I guess is the right Gabriel went like this. So how does Shador avoid I think it’s going to be hard this and I know it’s we with the weather you know with the weather but listen the ners defense we’re used to the Niners defense being good. It’s not that good. They’ve had a ton of injuries. We talked they’ve had a lot of injuries. They have no pass rush whatsoever. Now you I you never know, right? Like the the Bengals defense looked pretty good last night. It’s been the worst statalytically the Bengals defense going into last night had been the worst defense in the history of football like through 11 weeks or whatever and looked damn good last night. They they played pretty well last night. Uh so you never know. But to this point in the season, if you look at EPA, I know you use EPA, I believe the Niners are 25th in EPA. That’s bad. Yeah. You know, so they don’t get to the quarterback. I don’t know. They’re probably I think they might be dead last. So, a Browns own line that has not played well, but they pass blocked well last week. You know, they didn’t throw it that much, but they they passed blocked well and Shador wasn’t under that much pressure. He only got hit once and sacked once. So, this is an opport he will he should have decent protection, I would think, this week. So, there’s an opportunity, but you got to be smart in this game and you got to keep the passes down. But after today, like especially when the weather’s decent, let him do it. Let it fly. Let’s go. I I think I think one thing that that I rambled for a while. Sorry. No, it’s all good, man. Like I think sometimes this is the nature of what we do in a business. Like the NFL is is a 24-hour news cycle. Yeah. And we are a product of we have to talk about something every single day. Like so we get in a mold where we are so heavily invested in the outside stuff like oh what does this fan base say or what does people say who support him or detractors at the you know at the baseline of football is and every high school coach would tell you bro don’t nobody care about no press clippings that’s that’s what we do the only thing that the Browns need to do is evaluate what he doing and You got to do it from game to game. Half of the half of the evaluation is as a quarterback. Does a quarterback know what type of time he’s in on? And what I mean by that is what do I need to do right now in this moment to win the game? And you may have a sample size of six games. What I want to see from Shador Sanders or any potential quarterback that’s going to be a franchise quarterback is understanding, okay, this game I only need to make a couple plays as the Raiders. This game, you know what, they stacking a box. I might need to hit a couple of throws intermediate. The next game could be, you know what, I’m not going to be able to extend this time. So, I’m going to get back to my fifth step and I’m going to spray the ball around here, here, here, here. You know what? I may need to extend some plays and scramble and get in the P. like you have to figure that out and as part of the evaluation. So when I’m looking at it from this perspective, the thing that’s that you are excited about or you want to see actually happens from what you did in the Raiders game and how do you now take what you did with that and then add to it and then and then continue to progress. Are like I I was encouraged by the pocket presence from game one in this first half to the pocket presence in game two. Game two, I was more impressed with, okay, you taking a deep shot. Now, game three, let’s see if you you are in in in bad weather, inclement weather, cuz that’s part of it, right? Part of part of being a quarterback is understanding, can I play in bad weather? There’s some great bad weather quarterbacks and they just look good. Like back in the day, and I’m not saying he’s Brett Favre, but Brett Favre, it didn’t matter if it was snow. Actually, you would take Brett Favre in the snow. Yeah. That’s a skill set, too. I want to I want to put him in as as difficult position as I can from each week. And each week, the more and more you see, that will give you the faith, not the talk. The faith comes with seeing it and doing it. And then you say, “Oh, I like what he did against the 49ers. Now, what’s up with the Titans?” That’s how you’ll feel comfortable. And at the end of the year, I think if he does have a long enough runway, I think you do know if he’s good enough to to invest in or not. A little sidebar here for a minute. I obviously over the week, I don’t know who Oh, sh Jeff Shadell uh asked uh I don’t know when it was. I guess it was Tuesday or what? No, it could have been Tuesday. Wednesday, right? Jeff Shadell asked Shador Sanders about you know the Stfansky thing because obviously fans bring up all the time Kevin Stfansky hates Shador Sanders which I I know I I I know you find it silly. I I find it silly but whatever. Jeff asked him the question. A lot of people were were killing Jeff for asking that question as if it wasn’t a legitimate question. I thought it was a fair question. I thought it was a fair question, too. What do you guys think? Well, I I I think from his standpoint, I would look at it to be like what like what do you like there’s this thing where if Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady got Tom Brady fans? Nobody would ask Tom Brady like hey your fans don’t like Bill Bich. But nobody was saying that though. like he the question he asked was what do you say about the people right who say that you like um you know he doesn’t like you or Kevin Sansancy he doesn’t like you and he’s like but that it’s not just fans G there are media members saying that too so but but my qu like he answered what does that have to do with him he don’t control that so you thought it was an unfair question I I look if I’m if I’m talking to Shador Sanders and after the I want to talk about the 49 or during the week I want to talk about the 49ers. I like like that question to me. What does that serve? Well, it’s a talking point that a lot of people are talking about. I think it’s absurd and ridiculous and stupid. And you think it’s it was not an appropriate question? No, I think the idea is absurd, ridiculous. I agree. But do you think the question was appropriate? I would not have necessarily asked it that way, but that doesn’t mean I How would you have asked it? What’s your relationship like with Kevin? There it is. Now, if you want to ask that question, cool. What have you felt about the way your relationship been handled since you got here? Something something along those lines, do you think? But like there’s also I’ve also asked that was a direct question and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Yeah. Like it’s in that instance I would not have asked it that way, but that doesn’t I’m not the judge and jury of report questions. You can ask him how you want. He’s a reporter. He has it’s freedom of the press. He can ask what he want. I actually thought it was a completely legitimate question. I had no problem with him asking that question. Um the fact that we now are asking that that that is considered Yeah. a fair question and that people are asking Kevin about game balls like this is little league, right? Like this is absurd. Well, where this has gotten here’s the thing. There are some media members, as you know, who are causing this to blow up bigger than it is, right? I mean, if it was just fans doing this stuff, I don’t think any of these questions get asked because I don’t think it blows up as much as it did. That’s probably there’s probably truth to that. Regardless of how it got here, it’s absurd. I get it. It’s the fact that we’re asking a coach about a game ballid is insane. Insane. Now, none of this is Shador Sanders fault. However, I will say when he answered the he was kind of he was obviously annoyed initially by the question. Maybe annoyed not. He never seems annoyed really. Yeah. He was like he’s kind of happy golucky or at least he seems that way. He’s like, “Oh, you want to start trouble?” And I don’t think Jeff Chadell is not like Jeff Shadell’s not gotcha guy. Jeff has been doing this so long and he just doesn’t care. He just doesn’t he he just curious. He want He asks Jerry. He wasn’t trying to get Shador. No, he was not. Here’s here’s what here’s what I would say. Yeah. If I’m if if we all know what the climate is, we all know what Shador Sanders fan base is, we all know that it’s a polarization between the people who don’t really rock with him and the people who do. Yeah. Then when you ask him a question about people who support him and say, “What do you think about that?” He’s like, “Bro, I don’t I don’t control other people. I don’t have uh some sort of mind control where I’m sicking thousands of people after Kevin Sansky like no that’s not what it is. How how is that he could have he could have ended the whole conversation with his answer and he didn’t. Now he did at the end of the answer end up saying I I can’t remember exactly what he said but he but he but he was complimentary of Kevin. He was like yeah coach is doing the right thing. I can’t remember exactly what he said at the end and we can’t play the clip unfortunately, but he could he could have and like he probably wasn’t expecting the question. I’m not ripping him for it. I’m saying he could have ended the whole conversation but by saying this is silly. Of course, Kevin Stfansky is on my side. It’s a silly conversation we shouldn’t be having. If he would have said that, then then it all goes away. Well, here’s the thing. That’s not his responsibility. One, he’s that’s not two, the Cleveland Browns could have ended a lot of things in the beginning when they said, “Hey, we’re when we were saying Shador isn’t working hard.” They could have came out and say, “You know what? We got a period called Hungry Dogs.” And you know what? Shador Sanders has been involved with that. We’ve been working. Nobody even they talked about that all year that he was doing the Hungry Dogs. Nobody Nobody Nobody said because the thought process was the narrative was Shador not working. He not working. What is he doing? Is he not behind? Browns didn’t say that. But again, yeah, Shador Sanders didn’t tell his people to say that. And I agree. And I agree that Kevin Stfansky in addition ke Shador Sanders could have ended the conversation with this. Yes. But Kevin Stfansky has made it so much worse on himself by not answering anything. So he could there’s so many things he could have said about Chador Sanders along the way and he didn’t. Not because he doesn’t like Shandor Sanders, just because that’s how he is and he doesn’t handle it well. So that’s why it was a joke that Andrew Barry is not going to talk over the buy because Kevin’s the spokesman. Kevin’s a terrible spokesman because Kevin doesn’t say anything ever. This was handled it has been handled poorly by the Browns. You’re right. The And if you But in the end, Shador could have ended it. I wish he would have, but he didn’t. But it’s all right. I again, I’m not killing him for it, but again, it’s not his responsibility. burden of him. You know what I want him to do? And this is the thing. I want you to focus and lock in on getting what you need to do against the 49ers. Not talking about what people think about Kevin Sansky. Cuz the reality is both Kevin Sfansky and Shador Sanders and Andrew Bry better be concerned about winning football games and looking good. All the rest of that stuff, right? I I I wish we could get to a point where all of the fifth round why you fell, who like who that that stuff is out of here. It’s about But it’s not. It’s still getting brought up constantly. But here’s the thing. Why bring like if I’m a if I’m a writer, I want to know about today. I don’t care what people think about Kevin Stfansky. I want to know how you going to prepare and get this win. Well, you know, everybody’s trying to write their own stories. It’s it’s a huge story line, G. You can’t pretend it’s not a big story line. Uh it is. I mean, did you see what Josina Anderson has been putting on social media? I mean, you know, I always tell people, yeah, I don’t look you, we can get caught up in what people want to say. Yeah. But what’s going to keep you on the football field is what you get keep you on the football field. But had had Shadore said, “This is silly. I This is absolutely ridiculous. Kevin and I have a great relationship.” Even if it’s not true, if he had said it, then none of those questions happen anymore. then it goes away forever. You know, when you say, “You know what? Uh, I don’t control.” And you’re right. He doesn’t owe that to anybody, but he could have ended. I don’t I don’t control. The burden is not on the rookie quarterback to come out here and stand in front of all this. His burden is like everybody say, they don’t got a problem telling him to be quiet when when when he’s saying stuff. Not me. I still told him to be quiet. He We said when when he was clapping back at at Rex Ryan, we said, “Hey, stop all that. You doing the mimeman stuff.” I love his energy because guess what? Now you know what? You starting a pot. On to the next question. Give me the next question. Yeah, I’m just here. I’m just here so I won’t get fine. Yeah, I don’t know. I just I would have liked it, but whatever. We got Zack probably there for that exchange. We could ask Zack about it. Uh before we bring Zack on a reminder that this Sunday, we’re doing another watch party for the Browns 49ers game. The game starts at 1:00. We will be streaming from 1 till the end of the game and a little after with a little postgame reaction. It was such a success in Shador’s first start against Vegas. We’re running it back for round two. No ball this time, just myself, G. Bush, and Earl. Make sure you guys tune in at 1:00 for our live watch game party for the Browns verse 49ers action. You’ll be warm. We’ll be warm in the studio. Should be another blast. And with that, we are thrilled to welcome Zack Jackson to the show. What’s up, Zack? Earl made you sit like right on top of Jason. Zack spent way too much time with Jason. I mean, you can’t put your hands on your your thighs like that, Jason. That was wild work. It was It was clapping. It was Yeah. Go ahead. Zach’s got a messed up voice. Sound a little like RFK Jr. this morning. I got Shidor fever. What did you think? I’m What did you think of Did you I had no problem with Jeff Shidell’s question to Shidor. Did you not like it? Um I understood it, but like I think everybody needs to move forward, including Shadore when he wants to continue to bring up like the last six months, right? Like that’s true. He did bring it. We’re in the here and now, you know. And I truly think, boy, I told you this already, like we’re ready for Sunday, and Sunday’s big for the Browns and for Shadore. But I truly think the two biggest days for Shadore for Wednesday and Thursday. Getting into practice, he’s done it. He’s worked with Tommy Reese. He’s worked with the center, right? How what are we correcting this week? What’s going better? How how am I more comfortable in the huddle? What what do I know is coming at me that we need to work on? And he went out there and he played fine. He was not great, but he was more than good enough. He limited bad plays. He made a couple big plays. Like, this is all about little details and going forward because he’s got a chance. And for all the crazy talk, and there’s a lot of it, it is not crazy to say this kid represents hope. Yes, he does. And some of that is the low bar and a lot of that is the state of the franchise, but he represents hope. And even the craziest people could say little at a time. And and to me, the practice field. Yeah. And just little football details will help him so much and experience no matter how Sunday goes will help him so much because the other guys didn’t represent hope. True. There was no I felt no hope with Dylan Gabriel. I feel some hope with Shador Sanders. And hope hope is hope is the thing that you know it grows when you see the dividends. Right. Absolutely. I think, you know, for me the most exciting part about it is it’s not the fact that it is, you know, Shidor Sanders and what what he represents. It’s the fact that look, there’s some traits that I like about his game. Like I think that gets missed a lot. Like, you know, there’s people who watch him and like him because, hey, you know, I like the way he lifts up people’s energy level and and the team is excited. I like the way you throw the deep ball. So to me, like you know, from week one to week two, did you see some physical things that you said, “Oh, okay. This this is more on the level of a of a franchise quarterback than maybe some people might see.” I did. And I think to further that thought, the thought would be they barely had to get him off rookie mode, right? Because they they got the lead. They were playing the Raiders. Like they just geared down. So yeah, you did see that. And he will get more comfortable with those things. So the wind is a challenge. A new defense is a challenge, right? probably not being up three scores is a challenge. But since day one, Garrett, we’ve seen the accuracy. We’ve seen him layer throws in the way guys don’t, right? And we’ve seen like that roll out and throw. He sets his feet. He takes the hit. The ball’s on the money. Like, you know, is it low bar or is it really good? Well, it’s both, but it was really good. So, let’s build on that. And Judkins will only get better if the defense has to respect the D ball, right? Fanning Jooku should only get better as he gets more comfortable. And if he only throws one interception and only takes one sack, then this offense has a chance to be competent. And we haven’t seen that in a long, long time. Do you I’ve never asked you this. Do you see a world where Kevin, Andrew, and Shadore are all with the Cleveland Browns next year. I do. I do. I don’t think it’s lock, right? And I And I’m not sure exactly how all those pieces fit, but I do see that world. I I’ve never taken anything for granted with how this is going to go for a couple reasons. One, it’s the Hasslams. It’s the Browns. We don’t know. And two, like for as little a case as I think that they really have, like it lies in the rookies, right? And Shador represents hope, you know, and if he’s clicking and you’ve really got something here and you can go forward next year with that guy being your quarterback, you have a lot better chance at offensive competence and real growth. I’ I’ve said all year, I’m not sure what this team is really building. You know, the rookies are playing well, but look what’s coming. Look where it’s been. But I think over the last over the next month, I think that could change to an extent and maybe a large extent, right? Can can Shouldore be a backup quarterback on this team though? Like to me, either he’s the starter next year or you have to or you move on. You can’t do you can’t do this every year. It it’s a logical thought, but I I until you have that clear-cut answer and until you know where you are as a team, and we don’t know that about next year’s team in many fronts, then I I think he can be, you know, and it clearly bothered him and of course it did. He’s never been a backup. Four-year starter in high school, a Sanders, four-year starter in college, out front thinking that he was going to be a top 10 pick. All of this and then comes in and he’s fourth string. Like the conversation goes on. Kevin Stfansky should have said months ago, Shador Sanders is our red shirt quarterback, right? He handle Stfansky has handled this whole Shador situation terribly, which has led to all this nonsense. He is a good deal to blame for the craziness because of how he handled it. Yeah, there was always going to be craziness, but the Browns signed up for this when they drafted it. The Browns went through a four-month process and said Dylan Gabriel’s our guy and that lasted for 12 hours. Yeah. Before they added this to the mix. So, it’s been complete madness since April 26th. I agree. So, like come out and show development and be competent. That’s already beating the odds. But how does it fit? How do they all fit? We don’t know that. Um we don’t know where they’re going to be drafted. We don’t know how he’s going to play. We don’t know how many offensive linemen are coming back. We don’t know what they can realistically do to upgrade this receiving core. All those things will help. Jason, it’s a it’s a logical thought, but we really don’t know. And I think he can be because I truly think he’s a developmental quarterback and he’s worth developing. If you look at it, like so the relationship aspect with Kevin Supansky and Shidor Sanders, um, does it have the ability to grow? Because the question, the reason I’m asking that question is because it’s a funny thing about winning, right? It’s a funny thing about once you get into a system and then now you’re the starting quarterback and now you’re interacting more with the head coach, more with Tommy Reese. And is there an opportunity where, you know, it does click and you say, “Okay, well, I didn’t I wasn’t getting reps before, but now I can see kind of some of the things that we see eye to eye on.” Is there an opportunity through success for that to be a relationship that can be something moving forward that’s positive? Absolutely. First of all, it’s in the best interest of both. Secondly, like just organic chemistry, right? Growth, little details. Talk about that. And thirdly, Kevin will never say this, but he has to wear it’s failed. DTR, Baker Mayfield, Deshaawn Watson, right? What is it? What’s it worked for weeks with Joe Flacco? Yeah. Kevin has to wear all that. So if he sees little things when in Shidore, if he truly likes Shidor’s personality and ability and thinks that there’s growth there, then yes, that could that can take off and those two can come out together. Will it happen? I don’t know. Is it a straight line? It never is with this franchise, right? But like absolutely that can happen. Funny enough, like Shador’s personality in a way probably more is more closely aligned with Baker Mayfield than any other quarterback the Browns have had in a way because Baker like Shadore is cocky. And I don’t say some people get offended when you say I I’m cocky. I think I’m the best sports broadcaster in America and nobody can tell me otherwise. I and and I think Shador’s like that and Baker’s like that. I think you have to be that way to make it this level. But Baker and Shadore are both a little more vocal about it where all these other Browns quarterbacks, they’re not like that. I mean, most of them weren’t any good, but they like Joe Flacco is not he’s not like Shadore and he’s not like like Baker in any way. Not to open up the eight hour documentary we’d have to do on Baker, but but um Baker as a rookie was humble and gentlemanly and wideeyed and then it changed. He had a little bit of success and then it changed and and Baker is who he is and like his story is always great when it’s going well and he has to carry that chip on his shoulder, but he has admitted himself he needed to grow up and he really did. I think the Baker of 2020 and 2021 was not anywhere close to the same guy of 2018. I think you know I think the confidence I think sometimes let me I’ll give you this Deshun Watson half of what Deshun Watson and why Deshun Watson did not perform well was the mental aspect of the game. Deshawn Watson went from one of the people that most people around the NFL thought was great beloved very quiet. He he was you know a guy coming out of college. Dav Sweden called him him the Michael Jordan. And then you go to a city in Cleveland and the allegations happen and then no one likes you. They don’t want to see you play. They don’t like you. And then you don’t have success. I think that took half of what Deshun Watson used to be. That level of confidence as a a quarterback, you have to have it or you’re done. Like you look at the people who can’t you see a quarterback that just step backs and throws the ball and you’re like, “Dude, you’re seeing ghost.” Don’t do you believe that there has to be a part of you to be a franchise quarterback that has that level of con confidence that can be irrational? No doubt. And I think that a lot of Deshan’s failures were mental. However, Deshawn showed up and it was like, “Okay, you’re the guy. You’re a locker room. This is your locker room. Everyone’s going to follow.” Whereas if it happens for Shadore, it’s going to happen organically, right? And it’s 6 weeks and it’s 6 months and 12 months from now. If it happens, it’s he earned it to follow where everybody was like, “Okay, Deshawn’s here.” Well, this is the human element. Everybody knows why he didn’t play last year. Everybody knows why they traded him. And the Browns said, “Okay, we’re going to get him.” And they get in and he stunk, right? And like just everything that Shadore is doing, sitting in the back of the meeting room, moving up, never getting a rep, now commanding the huddle, right? All these things he can’t do. He hasn’t done all of those things, right? He’s played six quarters. But it was like Deshawn’s here. Here we go. Oh, by the way, he’s suspended for 11 games. Oh, by the way, he stinks. Right. And that and the bottom line too, if I mean if Deshawn had played great, 90% of the fans that don’t like him would come around. You wouldn’t care. Guy plays great, you don’t care. Most fans don’t care. I hate that is this, but yeah. Every Brown’s judgment is through the lens of this Watson failure, right? Yes. Right. And now you have people saying he’s going to be on the team next year, right? Because of his because seems like he has a relationship, right? You either have to cut him and move on or if you reduce his contract again and push it forward, that means he’s on the roster and in the room and a part of this. Yeah. Yeah. Healthy. It hangs over everything. Yeah. He would be healthy in theory. That is you just brought up. So here’s guys, this is one of the reasons why you should want Shador Sanders to get the entire runway and play. Think about the consideration. If you go into next year, you got Dylan Gabriel who played eight, seven games. You got Shador Sanders that played some games. You got Deshun Watson and you might have to get a if you draft a rookie and you got three young dudes and Deshawn Watson who’s healthy talk about the quarterback tracker in 26 in training camp when you Jason Lloyd boy you don’t want no parts of that tracker. No that you can’t you can’t have Deshawn Dylan Shador and draft a guy. He’s like, J, anything could happen. Something is like, think about that level. Like, if you want to talk about the the the media storm now, do you know what type of questions can be asked next year? I mean, the owner has twice said Deshawn was a mistake and he’s still here and now we’re talking about maybe he’s here again next. Think about that. Just think about that. Of course, it’s crazy. The owner said it was a mistake twice. I think you have to cut him at the end of the year. But again, you always have to have the caveat. It’s the Browns. So, you never know what the hell they’re going to do, right? Like logically, Shador Sanders, a veteran you get for nothing and maybe a developmental rookie is a good quarterback room in the top two give you a chance next year if it goes well, right? Yeah. But realistically, Dylan Gabriel, Deshun Watson, Shador, do you draft one? Do you not draft one? Can you wait? Is Shador getting the full runway? Yeah. Who’s coaching him? All of these things. I I’m going to get I think my my my only guess and you guys know better than me, but my guess is either one or two things happen. Either they draft a quarterback in the first round, Shador is traded to another team and you have the quarterback they draft Dylan Gabriel and a like a a veteran, right? The other thing is they don’t take quarterback in the first round. They trade Dylan Gabriel or cut him, I don’t know. And then you have Shadore, maybe a later pick and again a veteran. I think it’s one or the other. I don’t think Shador and Gabriel will be here next year. I think one’s gone. That’s that’s just a guess. You didn’t mean you think Watson’s here. No, I think he’s gone either way. You You can’t I mean, you got to get you got I agree. But when you do, the cap number is 70 or 80 million. I think you got to just eat that. I think I agree. You probably do. But then you’re talking about team building. Like if you think Shadore can play next year and have you, you know, in better shape, right, is your guy and takes off. And again, do you fire these guys? Well, you have to ask. Yeah. You interview a GM, what are you gonna do with Deshawn’s money? What do you think about Shadore? Interview a head coach. What do you think about Shadore? Yeah. I mean, okay, they fire Kevin. Everybody wants Kevin going. Everybody says fire Kevin every week. So, okay, fine. Fire Kevin. Yeah. Who’s going to take this job? Looking at all of the absurd questions he’s been that he has to handle every week and just the absurd scrutiny you’re not going to get. This is not an attractive job. It’s not, but obviously there will be somebody that will take. It’s one of 32. Somebody will take it. It’s obviously it’s last to think that even with two top picks to think that this is an appealing job with the cap situation with the Shador situation. It’s not I don’t argue it’s an app. No shador plays out of his mind over the last five games that’s a completely different conversation but short of that but if he does then Kevin then you know and then in the end Shador may save Kevin’s job. I don’t know. I think we got we got a long way to go still before any of those decisions are made. I think listen, they might not get the A-list candidate, but they pay very well. That’s true. That’s true. Um there’s no cap on coaches. Do we know what Stfansky makes? Did they ever release the extension details? No, they did not release any of the details. He’s rich. He makes a lot of money. Um do you This is a little caveat. If they do play well, say if Shador does play well down the stretch, do you think Tommy Reese takes a job in college or somewhere else? I think right now there’s no job for Tommy Reese in college, but he’s considered. I mean, the way it’s told to me, Garrett, is that every time a job comes open, Nick Sabin tells people call Tommy Reese, hire Tommy Reese. And that’s why Tommy Reese has been a finalist or semi- finalist for so many jobs. And I do think Tommy Reese suddenly being interested in doing press conferences is because he’s trying out for other jobs. But that doesn’t mean that the right one comes open or that the right team wants him or and he doesn’t know right now what his future is here. Yeah. You know, I don’t think he would jump right into a Florida LSU, right? That doesn’t make a lot of sense, right? What about a UCLA though? Yeah. I think UCLA is going to hire the James Madison guy, but I I’m not sure. And and and then Tommy Reese is not taking James Madison because he makes about nine times now what that job. It’s a weird spot that he’s in because I don’t think you jump right into a power like a top top top job, but he’s well beyond the max and a lot of guys where they have to start. Well, I mean, if Kevin’s back, then Tommy’s back and you let him call the plays for the whole season and they’re both back unless he gets a college job, right? Well, that’s true. And then does Kevin call plays again, right? And then is Andrew back and then do you keep the receivers coach and then keep the guys who draft these receivers? how the receiver all these things the receivers’s coach is the only guy that’s kept his job this whole time. How has that happened? This is very tough. That’s crazy. That’s been the worst, you know, outside offensive line been the worst unit. Uh yeah, I think um I don’t know. I think Kevin fans if he stays, he’s got to be done calling plays at this point. If Tommy’s here, yeah, I think Tommy calls plays next. If Tommy’s gone, depends on who the OC is. It’s going to be the third year in a row where he starts the season calling plays up. And here’s the thing, too. Say there is change, right? It’s not just the hasslams asking the candidates what they think. It’s those people calling Tommy Reese and saying, “What do you think about Shador Sanders?” Yeah, it’s a good point. What What really quickly um any What is the percent chance that Jim Schwarz would even be considered for the job if if they I think he would have to be Garrett. Um if I’m the Cincinnati Bengals, Jim Schwarz is my call. My only one call, right? But who knows what’s going to happen there. They’re going to fire Zack Taylor. I hope they do. I think they have to unless Burrow runs the table. Correct. We don’t know what’s going to happen. I think Jim Schwarz would be a legit candidate. I think the the most important question is what does Jim Schwarz think about this situation? What his own career, this situation, and what it would be because Jim Schwarz has been the hireer of the century by the Cleveland Browns. He has been. He really has been. And and if he gets a head coaching job and it doesn’t go well, then he’s not getting another one. Correct. Because this will be his second. And he might already be out of that mode. Right. Right. He was out of the game altogether. What’s the first time I say he or heard somebody say something positive about Jim Schwarz taking a a job? Most people think like, “No, he’s not getting butt.” Okay, we didn’t talk anything about the defense. If you want to hear more about the defense from Zack, check out the podcast, The Bullpen. We talked about the the defense earlier in the day. That was good. I like what you did right there. Zack, we appreciate you. Hopefully your voice is feel better. Well, you’re not sick. You just bad. All right, we’ll see you later. There you go. That was Zach Jackson, guys. We’re going to get to our five stats of the week in a second. If you don’t already get enough UCSS content and want even more, make sure you follow us on all of our social channels. You can see our X account, our Instagram, our Tik Tok, all on your screen there at Oakley Sports or Ultimate Cleveland Sports. You can find them wherever you get your social media outlets. We post some extra content, some Tik Toks, EP Steve Sun Luke does a great job cutting those up for us in vertical fashion. So, make sure you guys check us out. Reals, Tik Toks, social media posts. You can find them all on these handles. the voice of the Ohio State Buckeyes, Paul Keels, is going to be with us in about 15 minutes, a little less. Yep. Before Paul joins us, though, I got a five-pack of stats for you guys that I think are pretty interesting this week. Uh, first and foremost, we mentioned the defensive prowess of the Browns a second ago, but we didn’t talk about it with Zack. We’re going to talk about it right here. According to any metric you want to look at, there has not been a better unit in football this year than the Browns defensive line. They were rank first overall in pass rush grade, first overall in run defensive grade, first overall in wins above replacement, first overall in total sacks from the defensive line, and first overall in run stops from a defense. Well, they’re not first overall in EPA, from a defensive line standpoint. Oh. Oh, I’m sorry. This is not the Browns defense. This is just the defense. Yeah, the whole the Browns are third in EPA, which is still They’re still great. These are just the defensive line stats. the four guys in and out. They I didn’t even know there was war for football. I didn’t know there was either. That’s a PFF. It’s a new stat that they started last year. It’s basically I thought that was only a baseball. I had never heard of that in football. And I’ve never seen it broken down by position. Yeah, that is weird. Is that for the year or last week? That’s for the year. No, for the entire season 2025 season, they have been their defensive line is really good. You know, I I want to give uh in a minute here. Um I want to give a big shout out to Mason Graham. Yeah, he’s been awesome. Because we were negative about them drafting Mason Graham. It really had little to do with him. It was more about who they didn’t take and the position he plays. And I I have been quite snarky about Mason Graham, especially after the draft and early in the season. A and and this guy, all he has done is get better. That’s what you want. We talk about this all the time, G. You want your rookies to get better. Mhm. And we’re so used to the Browns drafting players that just suck. And we’ve talked so much about Shador. We’ve talked so much about Swissinger. We’ve talked so much about Fannon. We’ve talked so much about Judkins, but we haven’t really talked much about Mason Graham. did a little this week cuz he had but this guy didn’t pay attention to the idiots like us who didn’t want him and we’re like he doesn’t look the partah you know what all this guy does is get better each week he makes plays you know you’re not going to make a million splash plays generally as a defensive tackle uh I certainly think it helps the two guys on either side of him are great players one’s maybe the greatest player ever and they have helped school him up, but it’s clear and obviously you would know this well as a as a defensive lineman that he is soaking up everything they have to teach. Yeah, that he and he’s done a really good job, you know, and and is is becoming a really good player. He um he’s doing something that um you know, any coach would tell you, take advantages of your one-on- ons, right? And you know, I think Jim Schwarz did a good job of identifying some of the pieces that go in his defense. If you look at what they’ve done, you know, they had Shelby Harris, Dalvin Tomlinson, um, some of those guys up front. And, you know, those are plotting guys, not really quick twitch guys that get up field, traditional nose tackles. And, you know, they got Mason Graham and it took him a little bit of time to adjust to the way Jim Schwarz wants to play. And a lot of times for defensive linemen, you know, it takes a little bit of time for the game to slow down. And it helps a lot that Miles Garrett gets so much attention. And it helps the fact that Malik Collins is another defensive lineman that’s a veteran. All he got to do is concentrate on winning his one-on-one and playing hard. And I love the fact that he’s been durable. Love the fact that he didn’t listen to a lot of different things. You I told you I was the one of the most vocal. I said, “They better not take no defensive tackle.” Yeah. Right. Right. They have lost your mind. And guess what? Come to the first and second game, I’m like, “Okay, let me take a look at this dude.” Start looking at the film, you’re like, “Oh, okay. I like that. I like that.” And to your point, he’s just gotten better and better better and better and better. And now he’s it’s to a point where you got to pay attention to him like you you know, he’s he’s making plays and he’s not depending Jason on Miles Garrett making plays. So, it it’s one of those things where you got to give Andrew Barry a little bit of credit because that that pick was going to be pivotal if Travis Hunter was Travis Hunter and and Messy Graham didn’t do anything this year or was that potential to blow that could have he was going that was out of here. I I love the trade because of what they got for it even without the pick. I didn’t love taking a defensive tackle there. I totally agree. Uh, but so since it’s Ohio State Michigan week and since Chip Kelly’s in the news, I don’t think I ever told this story. I was told, remember how Ohio State just ran into the middle against Michigan? Like Mason Graham basically won that game for Michigan last year? Y I was told Mason Graham wanted to go to UCLA. Chip Kelly was a coach at UCLA. Chip didn’t want him. So that was almost like an ego of Chip Kelly trying to run it right at Mason. And Mason won. Yeah. What an idiot. I mean, I I’m just telling you what I was told. If that’s true, I mean, he’s an idiot. There was a little bit in there of trying to prove of how good Mason Graham is. Ohio State ran right at him and Mason Graham won that day. It did not work out. And by the way, last thing, sorry, Mike. Malik Collins. Is he the best free agent signing by Andrew Barry? Yeah. And I mean, Tyus called it. Yeah, he did. I didn’t know anything about Malik Collins. I knew very little when they signed him. The Browns have for the most part been a zero in free agency under with Andrew Barry. But Malik Collins maybe the best free agent signing of the entire offseason of any team. They Devin Bush is playing the best football of his life. He is. He has never played like this. No. And he’s a first former first round pick. He has never played at this level in Pittsburgh or Seattle anywhere. That’s true. But Malle Collins has a chance for double digit sacks as defensive. He’s going to be pro. That doesn’t happen a lot. Go ahead, Mike. Uh we got Paul Kills in the queue. We got four more. All right, we’ll get back to it after. No, no, no. He’s We’re going to get through just We don’t have to spend six minutes on each one or we’ll never get uh so we just talked about how good the Browns defensive line is. We use PFF for a lot of those numbers. The pass rush run rate, the run stop rate, all those. So, I pulled the PFF numbers for the 49ers offensive line. And despite the fact they taken a decent bit of sacks, they’ve been really good lately. These are the ranks by position for the 49ers offensive line. Trent Williams, McKivitz, two of the top six offensive tackles in overall PFF grade this season. Connor Colby, their left guard, the weak link, 68 out of 81 in the offensive guard, but Dominic Puny 24 to 81 and their center Jake Brendle 11 out of 38. So strength on strength in this matchup. This will be interesting because this will be Miles Garrett’s toughest test of the year. No doubt. And it will be Trent Williams certainly toughest test of the year. Absolutely. And we’re going to preview that individual match up in the TV show coming up at 12:30. Yeah. All right, stat number three. Uh how about Chador letting a rip. He is the only quarterback in NFL history ever, ever, ever, ever to have multiple 50-yard passes in his first career start. Now, granted, that’s wild. Granted, one of them was a screen pass that Dylan Samson ran for 66 yards, but the fact is the fact first quarterback ever with multiple 50 plus passes or 50 yard plus passes in his career start against the Raiders. The Browns had 13 1/2 yards of yak per reception. Obviously helped out by the Samson screen. the second highest in a win in the NFL since 2015. And the 49ers, they’ve allowed six passing touchdowns of 20 plus yards or more this season. So that first thing is going to go viral from the Shidorians. That no doubt. Oh, listen. They got a photographic memory. They remember every single throw from Colorado. All of them. And when Mc McNuggets, See, this is the problem. You perpetuating the cycle. They going to remember that he’s the only person in there forever. Tom Brady, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Po Montana. No, no. Go ahead. Never done it. All right. Speaking of Sanders, since 2000, 43 quarterbacks drafted in rounds five, six, or seven have started a game. I’m going to show you a chart. You have to look at the screen here. It gives you a sidebyside. This from 2000 or 2020. Since 2000. It’s not 2020. That’s supposed to say since 2000. So, in 25 years, 43 quarterbacks drafted in rounds five or later have started the game. This is directly from ESPN. You could see it on the screen here. It’s a little tough to see. The left half of the screen is the average of the 42 other quarterbacks not named Shadore. On the right, that is Shadore and what he did. So, you can see the sideby-side comparison. I thought it was worth at least pulling up here, but Shadore had 21 drop backs. The average was close to 34 yards per drop back. The average for the 42 quarterbacks 5.19. Shadore up at 9.81. The turnover to touchdown ratio sub one for the 42 average. Shador had a one. He had a lower sack rate. His completion rate was a little lower. His offtarget rate was pretty significantly higher than the average of the 42. The average of the 42 19.8. Shador was at 27.8. His drop back success rate significantly lower. the 42 others combined to have an average drop back success rate of 37.1. Shador was just 23.8 and the overall EPA per drop back for the previous 42 fifth round or later quarterbacks to start a game in Shadore negative3. So some good, some bad, but I thought it was a nice comparison to see quarterbacks drafted in the same range as Shadore how that first start against the Raiders compared to the other four. Now you know what you know now you know if them stats get better, you know what they going to say. We told you he wasn’t a real fifth round pick. McNuggets is getting it, bro. He He actually might be a CU uncle now. Is that true? Let me find out. Now, actually, be truthful. It’s six quarters and uh it this game is going to tell us a lot more. Six quarters is six quarters. No doubt about it, man. No doubt about it. And then last one before we bring in Paul Kerson to talk a little Ohio State Buckeyes is the rookie returns. You talk about that draft class. G, you alluded to this stat earlier in the week. I don’t want to correct you because you had it wrong, but it was better than what you actually said. Against the Raiders, Browns rookies accounted for 100% of the team’s passing yards, 114% of the team’s rushing yards, if you take out sack yards, 75% of the team’s receiving yards, and according to the Elias Sports Bureau, that is only the second time ever since they started tracking these numbers in 1970 that a team has had 100% of passing yards, 100% of rushing yards, and 75% or more of receiving yards come from all rookies. Yeah, that’s not a great stat. Like that’s not good. It’s not a I didn’t say it was good. I just said it was a cool start. I mean, the first one’s fine. It’s, you know, it’s a rookie starter. But, uh, now listen, if they start to have success, if the win loss total from those rookies starts to climb up, if you’re not a Andrew Barry believer, you start to be like, well, this draft class is uh kind of epic. Yeah. I mean, it’s complimentary of the current rookies, but it’s an it’s a huge red flag for the rest of what he’s done leading up to. You don’t you don’t want to live and die in that area. All right, let’s bring in Paul Kes. Yeah, we’ll bring in Paul Kes. Just want everyone to remember Shadore only quarterback ever, two 50 plus yard touchdown passes in his first start. So, remember that. All right, guys. We’re going to bring in Paul Kes after a word from FanDuel. FanDuel is the proud sponsor of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show today. And there’s no better place to get it on the action than with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA and the NFL. You can bet on anything you want on FanDuel. 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How’s that? That’s fair. That’s fair. You know, you know, Paul, we go into this Michigan game and you know, Ohio State has been one of the most dominant teams. They’ve been so dominant that I I said I’m counting my Ohio Bobcats as a victory. A more and I don’t do more victories. I I said for three quarters the Ohio Bobcats hung in there. That is a win in my book. When you look at what they’re doing now and against other teams and doing it without Cardell Tape sometimes they don’t even have to have Jeremiah Smith. Is this team more talented than the team that won the championship last year? Whoa. Well, I don’t know if you can say that, but what what this team has done is been very business-like operation. They’ve gone out and taken care of the opponents that are in front of them. And and you can find the fact that, you know, Penn State was not what everybody thought they would be. Texas is a much better team now than they were week one. The Illinois game was not the challenge that maybe a lot of us thought it would be. So, it’s hard to say that. I think what this team has done has adapted to the talent around them. Yeah, it was a different makeup last year when you had Will Howard at quarterback, you had two experienced running backs, you had four very experienced defensive linemen. What they’ve done this year is been able to mold everybody together, especially with a young running back group for the most part. Uh, four new starters on the defensive line who played a lot as backups in the previous year. So, they’ve been able to go about it differently than they did last year. Paul, how has this Michigan rivalry changed, Ryan, over the years? years and I don’t know how much time you’ve been able to spend with him this week. Is there have you noticed anything different about him this week as opposed to years past of Michigan week? You know what he’s done this week and you know we I get a chance to be around him for some of the interviews we do and we did our coaching show Wednesday with him. He’s been very much the same and there was kind of a concerted effort to keep this week the same as the rest of the weeks during the course of the season. uh in in past years, not only just Ryan, but other coaches have changed things Michigan week with some of the different elements that are involved in this. He’s gone out of his way for the most part to keep it the same. He’s been very routine. He’s been very consistent. Um, you know, he hasn’t, at least from my standpoint, I haven’t noticed him seeming tense or uptight. He’s just been the same person that he’s always been and the stuff that we do with it. Paul, um, of course you’ve been calling Buckeye games for a long time. Two of the guys you called games for are regular members of our show who are not here today. Dustin Fox and Tyus Powell, who of course are both national champions in their time at Ohio State. How would Dustin Fox and Tyus Powell fit in on this current Buckeye team do you have? Um theme music, you said. No. How would they fit in? Would they would they would they would they be starters? Would they be backups? I don’t know. Like would they would they fit in on the current team? Well, well, that’s a tough question because you’re talking about guys that played a lot of football during their time and and made big plays in this rivalry game. I I will always remember Tyus Pal intercepting a two-point conversion play that could have decided the game. But, you know, I that’s hard to say because when you look at the positions they played safety, you got Caleb John who’s the only two-time all-American that’s active right now in college football. You got a guy like Jaylen Mlan who has really come on in the last half of the season and played very very well. Uh and then throw in Lorenzo Styles as a Nickelback, a guy that had been a wide receiver at Notre Dame, comes to Columbus and changes positions and has played at a very high level. Not to mention 100 yard kickoff return he had for a touchdown a couple of weeks ago. Uh but it’s safe to say that Tyus and Dustin uh would have had some sort of a major effect on this football team. Paul, for so many years, if Ohio State loses this game, they have no chance of winning a national championship. That all has obviously changed. Do you think the playoff has changed rivalries like this one? Because it for all that’s at stake, there’s nothing at stake. They’re still going to the playoffs. So, how has that playoff, do you think, changed the rivalry, if at all? I I don’t think it’s changed it as much as it probably has others. But, but here’s what’s at stake. winning a Big 10 championship, going to the Big 10 Championship game. Ohio State’s not gone to Indies since the pandemic year of 2020. These players and the players on last year’s team have not received a pair of gold pants, the symbol for beating Michigan. So, it’s important to them to to say they’re Big 10 champion. Certainly, winning the national championship last year offset some of the pain of losing the Michigan game, but you know, this losing streak is hanging over Ohio State like the eightgame losing streak that Michigan had to the Buckeyes hung over them until they snapped it. So, but it the the playoff has changed it because Ohio State showed there is a path to winning a national championship if you don’t win your conference championship. It does matter in terms of seating at least too. Yeah. Sure. Right. For for years you lose this game, you’re and it’s over. Sure. No doubt. Uh, yeah. I’m going to ask you a difficult question here, Paul, and I I know you’re you’re going to have a tough time with this, but if I ask you, who is the Mount Rushmore of wide receivers at Ohio State? Oh my god. What do you got? Well, that is a tough one. This tough. This is crazy. It’s a wild question. It is. Um, I think you have to put David Boston in there. Okay. Um certainly the the late Terry Glenn. Um I think that you’ve got to also Oh wow. It’s easy to say that Jeremiah Smith should be there right now. Um you know who else? God, there’s so many of them. I you know what Ted Gin did was remarkable. San Antonio Holmes the same thing. Boy, that’s tough. It’s an impossible. I mean that is really an impossible question. I mean we just Garrett Wilson, El Jackson Smith and Jigmma. I mean there’s got Barry McLaren. The list the list goes on and on. Go ahead. Paul, what’s what’s this game going to come down to on Saturday for Ohio State? I think it’s going to come down to uh stopping Michigan’s running attack because that as well as Bryce Underwood has grown into the quarterback position assuming Jordan Marshall plays for Michigan with the way he’s run the football and and Kustall last week filling in for him ran the ball very very well being able to to maintain some control on Michigan’s rushing game and for Ohio State uh to be able to do whatever it takes whether it’s running the football whether it’s throwing the football to be able to operate efficiently on offense and and also something that Ohio State’s done a very good job of is limiting turnover problems. I mean, they they had one fumble last week going into the end zone, but more than made up for it with how they finish the game. But but defensively, if they can continue to play at the incredibly high level this defense’s play, if they can somewhat contain Michigan’s running game and do the things that can get Bryce Underwood uh confused or force him into bad decisions, I think that’s where this game end up being decided. Paul, is last year’s result against Michigan the biggest surprise ever in this rivalry in at least when you’ve been calling the game or was there one bigger that was even a bigger shocker? You know what I I’d have to say it probably was. Uh you think back to Trestle’s first year when they went up to Ann Arbor and won when Jonathan Wells had a big first half. That was one of them. No question because it it kept Michigan from being able to win a Big 10 championship. But but last year was just because of how talented that team was. Uh, you know, Michigan was not nearly as strong as they’d been the year before when they won the national championship. The fact that the game was in Columbus and and add to the fact the ugliness that went on the field after the game, I mean, that that was also a big part of what made that just an awful awful afternoon. Really, really quick, you just said that I remember a game I used to be before I went to school, I was a big Ohio State fan and one game that comes to mind is the Tim Baka Batuka 300 yard game. like I I was befuddled some of those John Cooper losses to Michigan. That would hurt my soul because I couldn’t pronounce his name and they lost the game. Well, and I think a lot of you have to go back to Bo Sheckler’s first year in 1969, the major upset that Michigan had and the fact that Bo was a pupil, excuse me, of Woody Hayes. Uh you have to throw that one in there as well. But but last year just because of how how well everything was going for Ohio State that was that was probably you know at least in in my 28 years now that that was probably the biggest surprise. Is Julian saying the biggest surprise in college football and what what has he done to impress you the most? I don’t know if he’s the biggest surprise but he certainly has to be one of them and and from game one how comfortable he looked out there. you know, for a guy that played in only four games as a number three quarterback last year to go out there and play as comfortably as he’s played. You know, we heard all about, you know, the quick release and the accuracy and those have proven to be key elements to what he’s done. But, you know, for a guy that, you know, starting for the first time at a program like Ohio State with the expectations they have, just how comfortable he looks to be out there is maybe been the most notable, at least from where I sit. Paul, is Joe Burrow going to run the table and get the Bengals to nine wins? As a lifelong Bengals fan, I’d love to see that, but I’m not betting anything on it. I don’t blame you. Although, the defense actually looked like an NFL defense last night. You know, you know, when everybody was talking about how Joe was going to play last night, my question was, can he play defense? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he’d probably be the fourth best defensive player on the team. Uh, he did look they looked much better last night. And really, in the last couple of weeks, they’ve looked a little bit better, but you know, they just like last year, they’ve dug themselves a hole. Yeah, no doubt about it. Uh Paul, what what is your are you confident I know you were confident last year, but how confident are you that the Buckeyes are going to get it done and end the losing streak this year? I’m fairly confident. I I feel very optimistic about it. I think that these players uh just like we talked about before, winning a Big 10 championship, having a chance to play for a Big 10 championship, getting a pair of gold pants. You know, my partner Jim Lache is the guy that’s in charge of passing out the gold pants to players when they beat Michigan, and he’s anxious to do that. So, I I feel confident, but I also qualify that like a lot of people say, I felt confident last year, too, and it doesn’t matter what I think. Paul, we appreciate it. Thank you so much for joining us. Glad to do it, guys. Take care. Thanks, Paul Ke. By the way, he’s What a voice he’s got. I mean, it’s just he he wasn’t put on this earth by God to do nothing else but that. Oh, man. That was it. He couldn’t he can’t have a regular job. That’s like he he woke up like I was born to be a regular radio. Woke up right into it like Yeah. Good dude. He I mean I I should ask him what his first year was. I don’t remember what his first year was covering Ohio State. I didn’t realize maybe this was common knowledge and I just didn’t know. I just that he was a Michigan broadcaster. I don’t know if I knew that actually. I I didn’t either. Yeah. I was looking at his Wikipedia page. Let me bring it up. Um it says uh You should ask him about that. Yeah. Yeah, I don’t um you never know. I guess Wikipedia could be wrong. I wasn’t 100% sure, but uh yeah, a native of Cincinnati, Keels began his broadcasting career in his hometown as a news anchor reporter for WLW Radio in 1979. The following year, he moved to Detroit to work for WJR radio to call games for the Detroit Pistons 8081. Uh those good good Pistons teams, I think. Or is that a little before they got a little? Yeah. Yeah. and then to WWJ radio to call football and basketball for the University of Michigan from 1981 to 1987. That’s interesting. Yeah. And and he’s been calling Buckeye games since 1998. I started covering them in 2000. I covered them from 2000 to 200. Well, there you go. 8 n something like that. Yep. And then he did he was the Bengals uh preseason announcer from 2000 to 2010. I just I’m I I wrote a piece for The Athletic last year that the playoff is killing college football rivalries and I still believe that. I mean, we saw a lot of PL flag planning last year on rivalry week. And I think I think Ohio State Michigan was what stemmed all the rest of them because that was the first game. That was the noon game. Yeah. And then all these other teams that when they won, they planted the flags and all that. But there’s just not as much at stake. And I and like listen, far be it for me. Dustin and Tyus have the gold pants. They know how sacred that is and what that means. I’m not trying to diminish the importance of that stuff, but if you can ultimately still lose your biggest rivalry game and still win a national championship, how much have you really lost? Yes. I mean, obviously for certain people, it’s always going to be big. Yeah. But in the grand scheme of things, yes, it’s not as big because and that’s part of a shame of it because like part of the mystique of Ohio State Michigan was you could have a phenomenal season, right? Lose your last game and it’s over. Well, I mean, you want like, you know, the uh in baseball until 1962, you went to it was just the World Series. That was it. Would we want to go back to that? No. I mean, you know, like there’s a fine line. I actually think and and they’re going to screw it up. In my opinion, 12, the reason I like 12 um is because each group of four within that 12 has an advantage, right? If you’re one through four, you get a buy, which obviously is an advantage. was an advantage last year. Okay. You’re right. You’re right. It wasn’t, but I think in the long run it will be. We’ll see. And then in the second round, you get home field, right? Yeah. And then teams five through eight, they got to play in the first week, but they’re the home team. That’s that’s obviously an advantage. If you The way they look at it is if every if once every five to 10 years a lower seed upsets a higher seed, it’s worth it, right? Well, hey, there’s no need to go past 12. Obviously, it would be money would be the only reason, but like actually, I don’t think you do get a home. I think the Bulls start with the second round, does it? Because Ohio State played Oregon. If you get if you get a buy, you do not get a home. That’s true. Okay. So, there. Yeah. Right. The only advantage is is the B. I remember I went I I think I mentioned this long ago on the show, Andy Guyger and I went round and round when Andy was the AD at Ohio State about he was he was all about holding on to the sanctity of the regular season and the regular if you if we go to this is before there even really was the BCS right and no I’m sorry the BCS was in but it was very limited he said if you start expanding this and go into a playoff it’ll ruin the sanctity of the regular season. I actually would argue that the regular season is now more meaningful than it used to be because there were maybe not for Ohio State necessarily, but there are teams like who who’s the nonp power five team that’s going to make it this year? Sulain might have a shot. Um, whichever team that is, their regular season was meaningless before this this system. Yes. Because they had no chance to win a national championship. And like whoever like all these there’d be right now if it was still the BCS system there’d be a lot of teams that would have their seasons would be over that are not I yes but for a team like Ohio State they’re basically guaranteed to go to the playoffs pretty much every year right now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it would be a shock shock if they if you told me 20 years from now I mean I guess you know who knows but like right now what we know let’s say 10 years from now I’ll be shocked if they’re not every year. the Big 10 will get two teams in every year minimum. Right. I would think now. Who knows? Maybe in 5 years there’s no longer conferences this way or I just I remember I think that’s the next evolution for college football to me. And and when when Andy and I had that discussion, I think there was six there was six power conferences. Then my argument was you take the six power conferences. the top non Boiseoise State two-lane type would be seven and then there’s a place for Notre Dame is eight or there’s another wild I I had like this whole thing that I really and actually what we have is kind of similar to what I was arguing with home teams getting or getting a home fe home game home playoff game that’s huge like for Tennessee to come up to Ohio State last year when’s that how often does that happen I right in the winter you very rarely Alabama never goes above the Mason Dix and that’s great I like that somebody we were I I think discussing it on this show a few I don’t remember who was involved in this conversation. I don’t remember who came up with the idea. Maybe we pieced it together as a group, but I love the idea of and Adam Silver would love this. um turning division one college football into a soccer style situation where you know how in so in European soccer for those who don’t know what Mike relegation right so you have the whatever the top league is premier or champions I’m not sure what the top and there’s all these divisions below it and teams the bottom every year the bottom teams move up or the bottom teams move down the top teams in the division below and you could say say you start with I don’t know 24 teams in each division right there’s what 120 teams in division one. Is it something like that? Uh I don’t It’s 128. Okay, Andrea. Okay, you split it. You split those 128 into five different divisions with the Ohio States of the world being, you know, Penn State, Michigan, all the big schools being in one. The next group, they’re in two, then three, then four, and all a team in five, they do enough winning over enough time, eventually can reach that top group. I think it kind of and if you’re the worst team in the top group, you move down to group two and then you got to win group two to get back to group one. Like Boise State kind of did that for a couple years where they was like a a maybe Oklahoma they and then they kind of moved where it was like oh Boise State is not a Virginia Tech was like that. Virginia Tech was not a like powerhouse like they just kept winning and winning and then they got be became known as one of those teams. It’s hard to do it because it takes sustain. Yeah. Sustainability. I think it would be interesting. I don’t know if they schedule you once you start winning. There’s no at least back there was no incentive. Yes. But wouldn’t it be great if if if Ohio State only played the top 25 teams and every team in that top 25 only played other teams in the top 25 uh every week. That would be awesome. It’d be more like the NFL. Yeah. And I I think they would push back on that. They like having the directional school almost by weeks, right? Because the game is such a a grind. I just remember Trestle saying like that Ohio State Miami game, national championship game, uh he said, “I can’t imagine.” Now here we are. This is how it is. He said, “I can’t imagine having to lace up and play another game seven days after that. Guys were so broken. That game was so physical.” I think playing that style. These are still college kids. I know we don’t treat them like that, but they are still college kids. But they are making money now. So I think I think you what you will start to kind of see is you will start to see some like in the pros like your quarterbacks these are the dude like like Julian’s saying right he’s not getting touched six games out of the year you start playing top 25 and now you playing Dline after D he going to have to start dealing with like the real life problems. He’s playing Akan and OU. He he ain’t getting hit much. Joe Burrow wasn’t hurting Joe Burrow would never hurt at LSU. Yeah. All right, let’s pick our picks for the game and then Yeah, picks for the game, guys. Go ahead, Jason. What’s your pick? Ohio State game for the record. Yeah, I I I like Ohio State to win. They going to cover 10 and a half. It’s down to nine and a half. I I would I would not take him to cover. I think it’s going to be a good game. That’s a big move from 10 and a half to nine and a half. I think this game is is closer than what people would like. Um Michigan is always going to play Michigan is in Michigan. Um, you know, you got young guys, I think, and the game plan is going to be heavily scrutinized. This is a game where you should be throwing the ball a lot, but you already know what’s going to happen. If they throw the ball and it’s not successful, people going to say, “Why weren’t you running the ball?” So, I want to see how they come out. I think it’ll be closer, but Ohio State wins this football. I haven’t seen the forecast for Saturday in Ann Arbor. What is it supposed to be? Do we know? I believe cold, but I don’t think there’s any like precipitation in the I think Ohio State finally gets their revenge in a big time way. I think they’re going to win. I think Michigan’s have gonna have a real hard time scoring. 40% chance of precipitation. High of 35 degrees. High of what? 35. I’m saying Ohio State 27, Michigan 3. Blowout city, baby. Jeez. All right, we got some super chats. Uh, by the way, Earl and I are going to do a little postgame show for the Ohio State Michigan game. So, tune in to that. Be a nice little quick post game. We’ll do a little uh bow tie and hopefully a Buckeyes win. Are you doing postame? We are doing a post game. Okay, confirmed. Uh, Bill Rodalt says, “What does Shador have to do over the next few games to get you off the drafting a quarterback train next year?” He has to play quarterback and play quarterback well. They have to trust him with being able to can plays at the line of scrimmage, get them into the right calls, call the right protections, max protect, um, and show that he has an understanding what they’re trying to do. Um, first and play well, obviously. Play well, win. Yeah. Um and and you know just like you know I I watch watched a documentary where a two-year-old like your first two years they talk about the development as a toddler and all the things that you have to learn like language seeing, eating, digestion, potty training. Like it’s like a crash course. I think it’s even worse as a quarterback. So he’s going to have to do it in an accelerated fashion. Um and he’s going to have to progress from week to week. He’ll have some up and downs. is not going to be lingering here, but he’s going to have to master the quarterback position to say, “Hey, we ready to go.” I I think for me personally, there’s two things. One is obviously the biggest one is how well he plays. And then just, you know, I’m going to make my opinion for whatever that’s worth based on if he plays seven games. I don’t know he’s going to get the chance to play all those games either. He doesn’t get, you know, if he stays healthy or whatever. But the second part of it is where are they drafting? Because if they’re not picking in the top five, there’s probably not going to be a quarterback worth taking in the first. And even if you’re not sold on Shadore, you might be in a situation where it’s Shadore again next year with a veteran or whatever. I think there’s going to be quarter quarterbacks worth taking in the first round. It’s just if they like him or not. I think you’re probably going to see what four, right? But there might be two that go ahead of them, right? And maybe they only like those two. I don’t know. You know, if they only like Simpson and Mendoza and they don’t like the rest of the guys. I know Milk Hyper likes um Dante Moore’s there. He’s got Dante Moore won then Mendoza then Simpson. Yeah. But you know um Mil Kyper loved Shadore too and and he didn’t get drafted high. So I think it’s also the people ask like stats. It’s not the stats. You know it when you see it. It’s way more eye test than stats. Yeah. Uh KCM says question. At what point was Dylan ever playing quarterback? They trusted him more with calls. But I mean again nobody ever set up he was very he was being limited too but not to the same degree. He also limited himself a little bit in absolutely whichor doesn’t do and right in some of the throws that he was taking and making nobody has ever sat up here and said Dylan Gabriel where is this idea that like everybody up here loves Dylan or has defended Dylan. Nobody likes it. It’s never happened. Not personally but no I I don’t know anybody on the show that I actually kind of feel bad for Dylan. It just Yeah. He’s in a tough spot how this whole thing is gone. He was drafted higher than he should have been. He got in a tough situation. It’s the it’s the this is what I mean it’s it’s the human nature we live in. It’s the juxaposition of two different things. Like you you can’t you have to you know sometimes people feel like you got to say Dylan is trash to say Shador is good which is or vice versa ain’t ready so Dylan is ready. Like it it doesn’t really work that way. It’s just the simp. And look, both of these dudes is young dudes and I can’t begrudge anybody that’s going out there living their dream and trying to be a starting quarterback. You know what I’m saying? And and so keep that in mind when the evaluation stuff pops up because it ain’t his fault they drafted him first and they played him like it is what it is. And also, no one has ever viewed him as a franchise quarterback. Yeah. Like the Browns did, apparently. No. Well, then you don’t take someone in the third round if you thought You think that You think the Browns thought that he was going to be their quarterback for the next 10 years? Well, then they should not have taken him in the third round. I mean, quarterbacks go all the time than the mid rounds. Now, I agree with you. There was We’ve We’ve talked about this. They had way more holes on this team. If you’re a good team, spend a top 100 pick on a quarterback. If you’re a good team with an old quarterback, fine. Nobody takes a quarterback in the third round thinking this is going to be our guy for the next 10 years. Well, what team does that? Then it’s a stupid pick with all the other holes that they have. Yes. I don’t disagree with you, but quarterbacks go all the time in third and fourth rounds as career backup type guys. Now, some of them turn out, but but Jason, it depends on each individual situation where that happens. I think if you draft a quarterback in the third round, you think No, you you obviously don’t think it’s a short ding. But you, to me, I don’t draft a quarterback in the third round unless I think there’s a chance he’s going to be my franchise quarterback. A chance. Maybe not a big chance, but a chance. And they probably thought that. Maybe there’s a chance. I don’t know what they were possibly thinking on that. I don’t think anybody thought it was over 50%. Well, sure. We’re going to put odds on. It was a terrible pick in a draft where they picked well overall, but it was it was by far the worst pick of the draft. Go ahead. Uh, next two are tied together. The first one’s from the Mangalator. The second one’s from Disco Drip. Uh, why is it Shador’s responsibility to answer that question? That’s on the coach. It’s a problem when he talks, a problem when he says nothing, and now he has to stick up for his head coach. Get the you know what out of here. And Disco says it’s not the rookie’s job to fix a problem his coach made. Asking someone of faith. To lie is wild. You can’t protect someone you can’t trust. Toppo 42 says Sanders hasn’t been handled poorly. It’s a fifth round quarterback. It’s an illusional obsessed fan base that has made something out of nothing. Uh Tanya Newman says Zack takes some honey. Set apart. Laz says the narrative went from Shadore has one opportunity to prove something or he’s done. Now it’s he has to play of his mind. What does that look like? Think we got none of us said he had to play out of his mind. No, he ain’t even got to play out of his mind. Is no people are I got 20 seconds. Overusing the word. I got 20 seconds. Last two. Digital Mafia says, “Everyone gets credit for screen passes, but Shadore and Miss Bell says a coach of the year knew Shadore wasn’t a fifth round talent.” We’ll see you on TV WKYC and WKC Plus in 3 minutes. Peace. Heat. Heat.

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