Emergency Podcast: Mets trade Brandon Nimmo for Marcus Semien, now what’s next for David Stearns?

Emergency Podcast: Mets trade Brandon Nimmo for Marcus Semien, now what’s next for David Stearns?

Welcome to the Mets Pod presented by Tri-State Cadillac. On today’s show, our first emergency pod of the off seasonason. The Mets have traded Brandon NMO to the Texas Rangers for Marcus Simeon. Joe and I break it all down and what might lie ahead. So, subscribe to the Metspot at Apple Podcast, Spotify. You can watch every episode on SMY’s YouTube channel or wherever you get your podcast. [Music] What’s up everybody? Welcome to the Mets Pod presented by Tri-State Cadillac performance range style. Three different ways to make every drive an occasion. Whatever your reason, there’s never been a better time to say let’s take the Cadillac the all electric Cadillac family of vehicles. Escalade IQ, Vistic, Optic, and Lyric. Visit your Tri-State Cadillac dealer today. I’m your host, Connor Rogers, joined as always by my co-host Joe Deo. and Joe, a random blockbusterish kind of trade. Uh, in terms of name power, financial power, the Mets have traded homegrown longtime Met Brandon NMO to the Texas Rangers for second baseman Marcus Simeon. Joe, just right off the bat, what was your reaction when this one came through? I’m surprised it actually came through when it did. I know there was a lot of stuff kind of like percolating about Brandon NMO and the Mets being open to moving him, but to me that seemed kind of obvious like yeah, the Mets would be open to moving five years and $100 million of Brandon NMO, but I didn’t think there was necessarily going to be a taker. And if there was a taker, how much money would the Mets have to eat? Uh would it be a team Brandon NMO would even consider going to? Like there’s a lot of factors here. And uh when it actually came through that the Mets were trading Brandon NMO for Marcus Simeon, I I would say I was surprised and you know it’s the second quarter of the Dallas Cowboys game that I’m watching. The Cowboys at that point in time are get are are getting their heads beat down by the Eagles in the first half. So I was like perfect excuse to get away from this and start texting and talking to some people about this. And uh yeah, just a surprise that it actually went down. And you know, we’re going to talk about NMO and we’re going to talk about Semite on on the show here obviously. Uh a weird a weird thing cuz it’s from a a fan and emotion standpoint super sad. I mean, Brandon Nmo is a guy that I followed since the Mets drafted him way back in 2011 and he was a high school in Wyoming. Didn’t have high school baseball. He played Legion ball. He went to all different showcases to get himself seen by scouts and gets invited to the Under Armour Under Armour All-American high school game, wins MVP, becomes a first round pick and obviously is a really good Met for a long time. Signs the long-term deal that makes me think he’s going to be a Met for life. And now we’re here, we’re doing a show, and Brandon NMO is a Texas Ranger. Just sounds so weird coming out of my mouth. Well, I’m glad you set the table that way, Joe. Before we go any further with the show, it’s very important for us as as Met fans and, you know, two guys that have been lucky enough to occasionally be around the team at spring training and get to have some players on the shows and everything like that. Uh, Brandon NMO, consmate pro, somebody that, you know, Mets fans are always really proud of to call a homegrown Met and especially when you you you brought up the background. you draft a player out of high school and you know his development was kind of a a longer curve with NMO and he really there was so many different variations of him over the years. We had Brandon NMO that turned himself into an adequate center fielder. We had Brandon NMO that went from really a guy that just tried to work long counts and get on base to being a power threat in the middle of the lineup and you know all just different kinds of forms of the player. But the one thing that was always consistent uh was how great of a presence he was for the New York Mets organization across two different ownerships, which you know speaks volumes of a guy that, you know, everybody just always wanted around. And I I think this deal obviously is more about the larger construction of the Mets roster this off season. And I think an important point for everybody reacting heavily one way or the other to the deal is this. Joe reminds me in a very very different way, but remember when the Mets signed Frankie Monttos last off season, we got on and Luis Severino actually is probably the better one to go back to because that was a little bit more of, hey, let’s judge everything when it’s all done rather than in the moment. the NMO trade. I’m sure there’s a lot of Met fans right now that don’t like it because of how much they love Brandon NMO, but it feels like this is a trade, Joe, that will look back at it a little differently a couple months from now rather than how we do tonight. And these are two teams that are swapping expensive aging players. There’s no way around it. Now, Brandon NMO is going into his age 33 season right now, but Brandon NMO also has, I believe, five years left on his contract right now. For Marcus Simeon, who’s a little bit older, he will be playing his age 35 season, but he has three years left on his contract right now. both expensive players. So, the Rangers are getting a little bit of salary relief in the short term, but they’re also taking on two extra years of the contract right now, while the Mets are obviously taking on a little bit more more money in the short term, but getting a little relief down the stretch where did they want to be paying Brandon NMO, you know, four years from now? Clearly not. And I think this is more about fits with the roster for the Rangers right now. They view this as a way to upgrade their offense because NMO right now is a better offensive player than Marcus Simeon. But for the Mets right now, Joe, they get a gold glove second baseman. And while Marcus Simeon’s offense in the last two years has significantly fallen off, it’s not a question of, well, was he a good defender? He won the Gold Glove this year and his fielding metrics are high-end and he’s still a really good athlete and he he plays a lot of baseball. even, you know, missing a little time this year. He’s a guy that typically plays his 160 plus games. So, it’s just they’re getting different players for different needs. There’s what it’s almost like they swapped high-end money for players that aren’t living up to that status, but they’re trying to get the most out of what their roster needs. And for the Mets, that’s run prevention and even at his age, athleticism. And for the Rangers, that’s clearly just a little bit more pop in offense. Connor, I I’m when I think about this, as you said, this needs to be a big picture thing because in a vacuum, one for one, Brandon NMO for Marcus Semian, the Mets are not a better baseball team right this minute than they were four hours ago or whatever it was before before the trade actually went down. With that said, as you you eloquently stated, Marcus Semian is a gold glove caliber second baseman, which is exactly the type of player that David Sterns is trying to get his hands on. Gold glove, high-end defensive players, and the offense regressed, then maybe there is still some hope for some amount of a rebound. Like, can we get that OPS to start with a seven? Like, if you could get there, I think you’re feeling perfectly fine. But his Semian’s offensive profile is based on not chasing, not really swinging and missing. He’ll take his walks. So, he’s going to put the ball in play. He is going to pop you in the neighborhood of, you know, 17 to 20 home runs. He’s much more of a pole hitter, which I think will play pretty well at City Field. And Brandon NMO is a guy that unfortunately it’s just the fit is weird with Juan Sto in right field and NMO in left field as not fantastic defensive players. Now this opens up a world of possibilities for David Sterns and Semian is just a piece that is going to lead very likely I would think to the moving of other pieces. Jeff McNeel, what is his home with Mets going forward? Um, if you want to even take a deeper deeper look, what does this mean for the future of Jet Williams? Like that’s something that at least enters the conversation. Uh, but a a shocking trade in the sense that Brandon NMO is no longer a Met, but not a shocking trade in the sense that David Sterns was able to trim two years of contractual commitment off of the Mets books while getting the exact type of player that he’s looking to add to this roster. Right. And you you nailed it, Joe, where it feels like moving on from NMO is maybe just about as much as opening up that spot long term where I’m sure the Mets would have been fine with maybe one more year of NMO out there in left field and his defense has started to decline, but this was an opportunity for them to get out now and Carson Benj arguably the top player in the system. Maybe they like a free agent that we didn’t expect them to like because now they view it as, hey, we could take on another contract for the outfield. There’s just so many different avenues now that this opens up the door for. Like you said, it feels like the most obvious trickle effect of this move is that Jeff McNeel might not be on this team next year because, you know, Simeon is a guy that you think is going to play quite a bit. Which kind of brings me to the next point though, Joe. Last year was just a significantly down offensive year for him. So, it’s not really the splits don’t really tell you much of anything at all. But the Mets typically it feels like are a team that for too long has struggled against lefties and two years ago, not last year, but Simeon was a significantly better offensive player against lefties. The OPS was up to 773. The on base was over 35% of the time. Um, and he hit 266 against lefties. So, I’m kind of fascinated by this right now. Now, if the Mets are also looking at it and going, “Okay, this is a plus plus glove for us at second base that we think with our roster construction, yes, he’s expensive, but the money the money is the money.” Like, we’re not for the Mets. That’s just is what it is. You know that when you’re taking on the contract because you had to give up, you gave up a contract, you know, did they kind of look at themselves as a team? we can build this roster that we can construct it and get the best version out of a 35-year-old Marcus Simeon and also with the flexibility we have from moving off Brandon NMO’s contract, it’s going to allow us to make the moves that we want to make, whether that is for left field, whether they are viewing as, hey, with the way Brandon Nmo’s defense is going out in left field, he might have to take up some DH reps from us next season and we don’t know if we can afford that, especially if the Mets want to bring back Pete Alonzo, but they like him to DH half the time. There’s only so many at bats and spots that can go around. So Joe, to me it feels like just the flexibility that this offers them mattered as much as any as getting rid of the contract itself. No doubt about it, Connor. And they were getting dangerously close to being too left-handed. Right. If right Brandon if Brandon NMO was still here, Jeff McNeel would probably still be the opening day second baseman. And if we’re to take David Sterns at his word that Carson Benge could have been the opening day center fielder, you then have three lefties in the outfield. You have McNeel at second base. You have Batty at third base. You don’t want to be that left-handed unless your home park is Yankee Stadium, which City Field is not. So this a whole lot different and it splits up kind of the the makeup of the lineup. And you know, this is something I think is a rude awakening for Mets fans in a way that okay, David Sterns is not going to be the emotional guy. David Sterns is going to make what he thinks is the best move for the team. He’s very aware of what Brandon NMO means to Mets fans, but it is his job and he’s paid a good amount of money to do it to put the Mets in the best position to win. And we’re going to look back at this. We’re going to have I’m going to guess quite a few more emergency podcasts because I think this is going to be a tradeheavy off season for the Mets. I think you’re going to see quite a few trades happening whether that’s players coming in, players going out. Uh but ultimately it’s it’s opens up anything you want. Do you want to pursue Kyle Tucker? You can do that. Do you want to pursue Cody Bellinger? You can do that. Do you want to make a push and trade for somebody like Jiren Durant or Byron Buckton? You can do that. Do you want to sign Kyle Schwarber? You can do that because now that DH spot has no one kind of like fighting for it. Like we were getting closer to the point for the Mets that they had they might have three or four guys that you would like to be dhing. Now you can actually have a DHDH potentially and maybe that name is Pete Alonzo even if it’s just a percentage of the time. But the reality here is this allows David Sterns so much flexibility and it goes far beyond just Brandon NMO is not a Met and Marcus Semian is the trickle effect or the ripple effect, however you want to look at it, is vast. It opens up just a sea of opportunity for him to do quite literally whatever it is that he wants to do. Joe, you want to hear my uh let’s like like glass half full stout stat of the Marcus Simeon trade, please. All right. Cuz when these they do listen to this one and sometimes you got to dig deep even in a down 2025 for an aging Marcus Simeon late and close is a really interesting metric that baseball reference tracks. So, the definition of late and close, and we know this was a problem for the Mets, all of last year, they could not come up big in late and close situations, which are the seventh inning or later, the batting team is trailing by three runs or fewer. Obviously, tied games count as well, or you’re ahead by one run. That’s late and close. So, down by within three, tied game or aheaded by one run. And the tying run is on base, at bat, or on deck. So, there’s a lot of situations like this. Marcus Simeon found himself in 91 played appearances late and close. 842 OPS, hit 278, got on base uh almost 38% of the time. I’m just saying if you’re trying to find one positive offensive stat, we know how great Marcus Simeon is defensively and it feels like everybody’s raving about, you know, because we know how great of a high character person Brandon NMO was in the clubhouse. It seems like Marcus Simeon is the same kind of way. But that was a huge problem for the Mets last year, Joe. And if Simeon struggles offensively, just that’s what he is at this age. But he still has whether it’s the clutch gene or just locking in in situational baseball, which the 2025 Mets were so bad at. It felt like one of their fatal flaws. That to me, Joe, is a a really nice glass half full here. Connor, I didn’t even look at that stat. So, I I appreciate you bring it to to attention because I think fans need need and want to hear stuff like that because look, if you read the stat line that’s right below my face if you’re watching on YouTube, it’s not pretty. It’s not pretty. You’re not going to be excited that the Mets are adding that, but there is potentially more that the Mets can unlock. And then if if he’s a clutch type of player, this is a guy that was a key cog and factor in the Rangers winning a World Series a couple years ago. So, this is a guy that’s been there and done that. And when you talk about the personality, I actually talked to someone that down in Texas that knows Semi and uh I passed along maybe similar sentiments back their way about Brandon NMO, but what I heard about uh Semian is incredibly hard worker, takes great care of his body, an absolute value ad for any clubhouse, he brings no baggage. He comes to work every day. He It’s just him and his family. So, you’re not dealing with anything other than a guy that is there to try to win baseball games every day and works tirelessly to do so, which is a representation of Brandon NMO. So, you’re adding or you’re losing a great clubhouse presence in NMO, but gaining a great one in Semian. And now they need to work with him to see what they can do at, you know, despite being 35 years old, it’s not like he’s lost a step. his sprint speed is quite literally exactly the same as it was two years ago. So, it’s not this isn’t a guy that’s slowing down athletically. The bat maybe the bat speed’s coming down a little bit, but if there’s a way to to tinker with him a little bit, there’s there’s things I think to like about Semi and now it’s just a matter of he has to do it. So, Joe, now as we always do and all Mets fans do, it’s the the now what, right? everybody’s wanted because this is just this is almost a table setter. Like this is a move that the Mets probably felt like they needed to make before they make their following moves. We’re not we can’t sit here and you you said all the things they can do and I think you laid that out really well. Do you think this makes a player like Jet Williams more expendable? Or is the counterargument Marcus Simeon’s 35, there’s going to be a time in the next three years in the Mets where he’s not playing every day and it’s not beneficial for him or the Mets to be playing every day. That only enhances the importance and need for Jet Williams. How do you how do you look at this and balance this, Joe? I mean, it’s pretty safe to say I’d be floored if they ever even utter the name Carson Benj in a trade talk this off season after this. That’s my opinion. Totally. I think Benj is and maybe that David Stern’s quote from the GM meetings. Uh maybe yeah, maybe he had an inkling that uh this something along these lines could have a could go down. And yeah, now now Bench looks even more likely to compete for a spot on opening day. As far as Jet Williams goes, I don’t want to say because I think it’s very easy to be like the Mets got a Gold Glove second baseman that’s under contract for three more years at good dollar value. That means there’s no spot for Jet Williams. I don’t want to say that. I don’t think we’re there yet. Does that mean the Mets are maybe a little more receptive to trading Jet Williams that they may have been a month ago? Maybe. I certainly think that’s possible because if he’s not playing second base, the only other option is center field that he has played thus thus far. And from what I saw, and it’s not a huge sample size, but in watching Jet play center field, he didn’t look like a center fielder. He didn’t look like an outfielder to me, to my eyes. To me, I think Jet belongs in the dirt. And if he’s going to be in the infield, second base is probably the most likely home. Uh Semian creates a bit of a a block, at least for now. We need to see what happens here. It’s a 35-year-old Marcus Semian. If Jet Williams is not traded in a deal for a frontline pitcher, he’ll be in AAA and something could happen to Semi in. Um, he could underperform and Jet could push for a spot. But look, I I would say at at its core, it doesn’t look like there’s that imminent home that there maybe was if you asked me on last week’s show where I was like, “Ah, it’s just all all that’s in his way is Jeff McNeel and he has to beat out Luis Anelkunia and maybe Rody Mauricio.” Now there’s an established guy just makes his path, I think, just a little bit more difficult. Yeah, it’s something we’ll be keeping an eye on this off seasonason because we keep talking about these big trades, but the Mets are going to have to give up something to get something. So, it we’ll we’ll learn what the trickle effect is or isn’t of this. You’re listening to the Mets Pod presented by Tri-State Cadillac. Subscribe to the Metspot at Apple Podcast, Spotify, SMY’s YouTube channel, where you can watch every show or wherever you get your podcast. All right, Joe, let’s close out with some, you know, we started it this way, but it’s also right to finish it this way. Just overall thoughts on Brandon NMO’s Mets career, really his legacy. I’m sure he’d be the first to tell you that he wishes he was a part of it when this team got over the hump. Unfortunately for NMO, a guy that came in right after their World Series appearance and they came close with him, but not close enough. And you know, I think there’s a lot of great memories. because I think he was somebody that fans really connected with as naturally homegrown players kind of tend to be that way because as a fan you get to see especially first round picks these guys when they’re still kind of kids and then they grow up if they extend with your team you see them for so much of their important aspects of their professional lives and and NMO absolutely defined that as well. My personal Brandon NMO story that I want to share was way back when when Brandon NMO was on the short season aball Brooklyn Cyclones and Young Joe was there on credentials for I might have had a web I might have had my own website at the time to be honest with you. I was I was bouncing around things and the minor league teams let in anyone, huh? No, quite literally. They just let anyone walk in the door. And even little me with a probably not the best fitting polo and baggy khakis just looking a mess. But it was in Norwich, Connecticut, which at the time was I think the Tigers short season team. For a long time they were a Yankees doubleA team and now they’re not even a minor league baseball team anymore. But I went to see Brandon NMO hoping that I could talk to him. This was the first round pick. I wanted to talk to him. Right. He’s stretching. He finishes stretching. He’s walking towards the dugout and I ask if I could have five minutes of his time to just ask him a few questions. He’s like, “Yeah, sure. Come in the dugout. Let’s sit down and chat.” And I sit I ask him my my handful of questions. I thank him. And I figure he’s just going to walk away. Brandon Nemo sat there with me for I would say 25, 30 minutes asking about me, what I do. That’s awesome. what makes me into this? And we just talked baseball for almost a half hour after off of recording. And uh yeah, Brandon NMO is salt of the earth as as good a guy as you could possibly ask to be um an ambassador for your organization. And and he was for the Mets. And this is in a business that I do when it comes to prospects and minor leagues, it is such a process of failure where just guys don’t live up to the potential or don’t make the major leagues. It is so hard to just get there. And as I mentioned at early in the show, his path to getting there is more unique than anyone that I’ve ever seen since I’ve been covering the Mets Farm system. and for him to not only make it amongst those circumstances, but to become such a good player that the Mets committed an eight-year contract to him in order to make him a Met for life. And obviously that where we are today, that’s not going to end up occurring. But I I I go back and SNY posted the clip on on Twitter from NMO’s press conference. He puts on the the blue jersey with the with the hat and says, you know, I’m glad to be putting on this Mets jersey knowing that I never get to take it off. This is a guy that wanted to be a Met for his whole career. I imagine the waving of the no trade clause weighed on him heavily. I don’t think it was as easy as okay, see you. I I’ll go wherever. I think this was a a difficult decision, but NMO’s legacy, um, this was a guy that was on a trajectory to, and I know this is a tough topic for this show, but if they won a World Series with him on this team and he played out that contract, there’d be conversation of nine being up in the Raptors with some of those other numbers. And uh, so yeah, NMO will leave a great legacy. Um, as I said, he was good to me a long time ago and uh I think he was good to everybody and you see all reporters and Steve Gelbs and Gary Cohen and everybody talking about Brandon NMO um often when these kind of trades happen within a day you start seeing people write the not so nice things about guys on their way out of town. I don’t think you’re going to see any I don’t think you’re going to see one negative word about Brandon Demo. he will be very much missed and that all is coming from Joe the Mets fan. No, I love that show and that’s such a great story and it’s it’s doesn’t you know the funny thing about that story is it doesn’t surprise anybody I bet listening because it feels like NMO was like that to every fan that came down to spring training. feels like he was like that to every media member. And this is someone that, you know, as a younger player in 2017 was on a team that won 70 games and then five years later was on a team that won over a 100 games and then two years after that, you know, came what, two wins away from the World Series. Like, he’s seen it all with the Mets. He’s been on teams near the basement. He’s been on teams that were couple swings away from making it to the World Series. And I think it speaks volumes about a guy that he was the same exact person on the 70 win team that he was on the 100 win 101 win team or the team that made it to the NLCS. And that’s because he was just always the same guy. And that’s a very positive person that once again uh fans adored and he’ll get a massive ovation when he returns to Cityfield someday. And that’s well earned. And you know, as Met fans, we’re really appreciative to everything he’s done. I I hope he, you know, I’m sure as a professional athlete in that moment, it’s got to be just a whirlwind and you’re thinking about so many different things that you kind of forget, you might forget that like how much people appreciated everything you did. But, um, I think that’ll hit him when he returns. So, you know, it’s probably not the ending that a lot of Met fans wanted, but I think you and I are able to separate it that we’re grateful for everything Brandon Nmo did for the organization and that this move is probably a part of the bigger picture of this off season of a core that really need to be shaken up. You you just can’t have that kind of season. It’s not Brandon NMO’s fault, right? It’s a it’s a at large roster issue across the board of why the Mets came up short last year with such expectations and this is David Sterns’s real chance at trying to shake things up and this is a a step one but a big step one Joe. So closing thoughts on our first emergency pod of the offseason but something tells me this is far from the last. It’s an it’s exciting in the sense that now it adds such a layer of unpredictability as far as what’s next. Like we know the Mets are going to upgrade the pitching. We know they’re going to talk to Diaz and Alonzo. Like we know those things, but now this pivot that of a from a trade that was maybe rumored a little bit recently, but still largely unexpected, um it adds some excitement as to what is next. And at its core here, yes, David Sterns upgraded the defense, but right now they downgraded at offense and Pete Alonzo is not ne not a guarantee to return. And if he somehow doesn’t, then there’s even more need for offense. Um, what it comes down to is David Sterns is building this team in his way. And now there’s even more pressure on him to make sure that he adds bats and builds up this offense to not just be better defensively than they were in 2025, but they also have to be doing at least if not better offensively as well. So high pressure on Sterns to do what he has to do here. But um this is a step in the direction that I think allows the Mets to do as I said quite literally whatever David Sterns wants to do. This is the Mets pod presented by Tri-State Cadillac performance range style. Three different ways to make every drive an occasion. Whatever your reason, there’s never been a better time to say let’s take the Cadillac, the all electric Cadillac family of vehicles. Escalade IQ, Vistic Optic and Lyric. Visit your tri-state Cadillac dealer today and remember to subscribe to our show at Apple Podcast, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcast. Leave us a review with a question. 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On an emergency episode of The Mets Pod presented by Tri-State Cadillac, Connor Rogers and Joe DeMayo react to a shocking trade by the Mets, as David Stearns strikes a deal with the Texas Rangers to swap Brandon Nimmo for Marcus Semien. The guys break down the what and the why of the trade, examine what the Mets are getting in Semien both offensively and defensively, and look ahead to the possible moves that might come next if this deal truly is a “first domino” of the offseason. Connor and Joe also discuss what this trade means for prospect Jett Williams, and look back at the legacy of Brandon Nimmo in New York, including a story from Joe about Brandon’s time in Brooklyn. Be sure to subscribe to The Mets Pod at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts!

Today’s Show:
00:00 Welcome to the show!
00:55 Initial reaction to the Brandon Nimmo/Marcus Semien trade
06:10 What are the Mets getting in Marcus Semien?
10:55 The new flexibility and the next Mets moves to come
18:00 What does this deal mean for Jett Williams?
20:55 Brandon Nimmo’s Mets legacy
27:40 Closing Thoughts

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