Can Bruins Develop High-End Prospects? | Bruins Beat

Can Bruins Develop High-End Prospects? | Bruins Beat

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Um it’s an interesting time for prospects because most have been playing um since mid to late September. Uh so we have about two months to go off of uh what they’ve been doing and and what you’ve been seeing. And we’ll start with BC because like where else would we start? Have to start at BC. Basically the Bruins uh 2.0 or Bruins light, excuse me. Um James Haggins. James Hagens. interesting case. 13 points in 13 games. Um has been moved to the wing recently. Um wasn’t as dominant as center at least to start. But I do think there’s a lot with that BC team like not as good as years past. Revolving door uh on his lines. He’s playing with multiple different players. Um what do you make of his season so far? I mean, yeah, I think there’s two ways of looking at it, right? and and one of them is like he just said like 13 points in 13 games. That’s the same pace as he had at you know D plus0 year. This is his D+1 year. Um you know you would kind of want that to be elevated much more at this point. Um you know maybe something like 1.5 points per game, 1.25 points per game. Um you know maybe something like 16 points in 12 games, something around that threshold. But I think for, you know, Hagen specifically, like you said, is a pretty like interesting use case in terms of what’s going on at BC. They lost a lot of high-end talent. You could argue they lost their highest end talent in Ryan Leonard last year. You know, they lost Gabe Perau as well. And they’ve also had injuries. You know, Oscar Yelvic has been out, another Bruins prospect. Uh Andre Gasau has been out. Um another pretty big contributor in their lineup from top to bottom. plays all three strengths, you know, power play, PK, and five on five. So for them to have, you know, such a massive leader kind of, you know, take the backseat to injury and not be available, that starts to start a ripple effect throughout the rest of the lineup. But for Higgins himself, like I tell people all the time, I know it sounds cliche and I I know it sounds like people should be, you know, kind of brushing it off at this point in a little bit, but watch the games, watch the player, watch what he does, watch what he does when he has the puck. some some nights he’s rushing it a little bit and you know I’m sure that’s frustrating for him and and also his linemates but a lot of the times what I see with Hagens is a lot of uh a lot of points to be left in the table for his for his linemates a lot of chances that have been created that have gone gone unanswered a lot of good shots that um you know something that you have said yourself here he’s working on his shot and he’s working on you know kind of rounding out his toolkit to more you know NHL caliber, which is not really a deficiency of his per se for his shot, but his strong suit has been his playmaking, his skating, his vision, his um, you know, kind of ability to pass for his linemates and set them up with opportunities. Now, he’s kind of in the driver’s seat of, hey, I have an open lane. I’m going to take the space in front of me. I’m going to de a defenseman or I’m going to just take what’s already there and I’m going to shoot. whether it’s at the chest, whether it’s, you know, trying to pick corners, whether it’s shooting for a rebound, that’s more kind of, you know, the puzzle that’s being pieced together with Hagen. But he’s doing a lot. You know, he’s beating defenders wide. He’s beating them small. He’s beating them, you know, in the the small ice areas around the circles, around the crease, um, you know, around the hashes. and he’s also carrying in transition like he’s so very good at you know he’s gaining the line he’s gaining the zone he’s going end to end with the puck and you know I I posted a clip on Twitter that you actually you know retweeted um you know this is a week ago from when we’re recording right now but you know you see his linemates are are kind of crowding him you know Teddy Stiga who’s a very good two-way player very fast player very uptempo player crowding him kind you know, you’ll see them kind of gain the line at one point when Higgins has the puck on his stick and both of his wingers converge on where he is and it kind of squashes the play, right? And that’s kind of what we’re seeing a lot of. And to your point earlier, we might be seeing kind of the the outcome of that, which is Hagen’s getting moved to wing in order to get Stea playing up to his standard again, which he hasn’t been this season, and I like him as a player, but something there isn’t really jelling right. and it hasn’t been. But, you know, the main point that I’m trying to make with Hagens is I personally think that he has been doing a lot. He’s been doing more than his fair share of heavy lifting. And if he had, you know, the talent level that he had around him last year in Leonard and and Perau, I think he would have had a a a much hotter start this year in terms of the points. And you’d be looking at him and be like, “Wow, like that is definitely the the seventh overall pick.” But again, you you you have a lot of roster turnover, a lot of guys who are trying to step into roles that they weren’t playing last year in terms of leadership and and carrying more weight of the load. And I personally think Hagens has been doing just fine in that department. Yeah, I think it’s interesting with Hagens because it’s like, you know, I went into this year being like, I want to see him, you mentioned it earlier, jump to the 1.5 points per game mark or around 1.2 and he still could, by the way. like it’s, you know, we’re still relatively early in the season, but I do think, as you said, you know, that that the talent isn’t uh there like it was last season around him. And I, you know, through watching the game, through seeing your clips uh online as well, like there is a lot of skill there. There’s a lot of playmaking that is still there that either you know the puck goes in the neutral zone someone misses a pass like little things like that that what my takeaway is like when you put him with NHL linemates whether it’s with David Posternok next year whether it’s with Morgan Geeki whether it’s with uh you know I almost said Victor Arbitson I think people would be pretty pissed I hope we’re not talking about him next year put him with Victor Arbitson and Casey Middlestat and you’ll get the best possible James Hagens. Um, but if you put him with NHL linemates, those chances are probably going to be finished. Now, defensively, the defense is going to be better because it’s the NHL. But that’s why I am so curious with Hagens when he gets to the NHL because when you put him with good linemates, what is he going to be able to be? And I my thing is like I get why that, you know, they put him at wing at BC because they want to get the offense going. They want to get things moving. Again, you mentioned Stigga. That’s 100% a part of it. But I also want to see him develop as a center, right? Like if if he becomes a wing in the NHL, fine. Like that’s a top six wing. You’re completely fine with that. But I want to see him be a center now. I want him starting out as a center in pro hockey, whether that’s in Providence or most likely Boston. That’s my one little thing with him where I’m like, I want to see him doing this down the middle. Cuz in a regular shift, he plays like a center. Oftent times he does. He plays like a center and he he’s driving the line and and he’s and he’s pushing the pace. But I would like to see that done down the middle. I would like to see him improving on his face offs and things like that. So, that’s sort of the the one thing where like I I would like to see him move back to the middle of the ice for the rest of the season, right? And I don’t know if that’s I I think it will. Um like you were saying like he assumes the role of center anyways. And if you watch him like you look at the line chart, you know, of his line, it’s him on the left wing and Stea even on the nights that it is him at center. Higgins is the center. Like make no mistake about it. you know, Sega might be taking faceoffs in the offensive zone, like I I’ve seen that plenty of times. Um, but when Higgins has the puck, he’s in the center of the ice. You know, he has two wingers, he is the one in the center, and then even when he’s, you know, playing wing, like he’s still taking faceoffs for the night. Like, you can go check the box score. So, it’s kind of like a weird hybrid role that he’s in. And I think a lot of that is, you know, like we were just saying, Stega has not been himself. He’s playing too fast. He’s, you know, rushing opportunities. He’s kind of playing all or nothing. And when you have a player like Hagens who’s at center, you have to be a little more, you know, aware of your surroundings there. It’s not like a Ryan R. Yeah. Yeah. You It’s not like a Ryan Leonard type situation where you can just expect that the puck’s going to hit you on the stick and you can go 15 miles an hour into the goalie from 2 feet away. Like, you can’t really do that when you’re not Leonard. So, if you’re just taking it down main every shift and you’re expecting someone else to be around you doing, you know, everything else, it just it it messes with the the workflow of the line. And I think that’s what we’re seeing. So, I agree. I I think they need to have him develop as a center. And listen, even if if he ends up becoming a Matt Barzal type player who is not good at the dot and you end up having to get a Bo Horvat later down the line to be that player for you, that’s fine. like operate the middle of the ice, take the draws. I would rather see Hagens be a 42% faceoff guy and a good play driving center than be a top six winger because the Bruins look at him and say, “Hey, you’re not a center because you can’t be that two-way presence that we need.” You got to get past that, I think. And when you’re taking the player that Hagens is in the draft and you’re taking a consensus top three talent in the draft, you got to let him play his game. And I hope that’s uh I I hope that’s what we’re talking about here next year as well. Yeah, I completely agree. By the way, little Stigga thought I’ve had recently. I’ve been watching Stigga for a long time. Yeah, you watched him what, five the last five years? Well, not five years. Like I I I came in after he was at Bell Hill. So like NTDP and things like that. So not I didn’t watch him with the Eagles and Bell. But what I will say is for those who don’t know, Ste is a Nashville second rounder from uh last year. Had a phenomenal freshman year. I think I’ve figured out his NHL equivalent. I think I’ve figured out his NHL I don’t probably ceiling. Pavo Zaka. I think it’s Pavo Zaka. I think Pavo Saka like wing center can play any situation. Can jump on a power play. Can kill a penalty. Like I think Stea has that. I think that’s like Teddy Stiga at the next level. I know we’re not a Predators podcast, but like as I was watching him the other night, it like a light went off. I was like that’s it. It’s Zaka. Like I I think that for him would be a good like that’s a that’s a great turnout for Nashville if that ends up happening. Yeah. Stylistically I mean you’re right there especially and you know something that if you if you watch Saka a lot and I assume most people who are listening to this podcast do um you’ll you’ll notice he’s he’s pretty good at pulling pucks away from the wall and bringing them to center ice or bringing them out high or you know bring them into dangerous areas. um you know whether it be pivoting with his skates or actually taking the puck and making you know one simple move like he’s very efficient that way. Snea’s been doing that very well and and I think you know I don’t want that to get lost in translation either with the Hagens kind of dilemma there but STA has been good at that and and he definitely opens up space for Hagens and his linemates when he’s doing it. It’s just the pace seems to be something that he’s struggling with right now and kind of like where he should be um in terms of his linemates. So, yeah, I I think that’s a that’s actually a pretty good comp. Yeah, it hit me in the night. I was like, I like that. I that that’s it feels right to that kind of player. We’ll run with that. We’ll see if that ends up happening. Um, keeping it with BC, Dean Lerno, 11 points in 13 games. You and I were messaging the other day and I kept saying last year, and I know you did the same thing, like this is a project. one year in. Yes, it was a bad year last year, but jumping from prep to to hockey East, division one college hockey, national championship contending hockey, that’s a huge I don’t think people realize how big it is going from U8 to freaking division one and yeah, no goals, three assists, looked lost out there at times. He’s been fantastic this year. And I’m not I’m not sitting here and being like, he’s a massive success, what a hit. It’s more so just like don’t get ahead of yourself. Like he’s on the right he’s he’s on the right development path finally and the dividends have been good. He’s been he’s been really good this season all things considered. I would argue that Laterno has been BC’s second best player behind Hagens. And that’s not even just from the fact that you know I’m Bruins Network and not Nashville Network or Predators Network. Um I think I wouldn’t want to be Predators Network Network. Um, not not not my finest uh potential Twitter handle there. That’s their fault. That’s having that stupid name. You know, that’s it. Predators be it’s pretty tough by Chris posted by Chris Hansen, Anthony. That would be Yeah. Not good. I don’t want to be in that chair. So hopefully we won’t be. Um, so you know, you you look at LNO and and like you said, you know, last year and and something that you just kind of specifically stated was he’s on the right development path finally. You can look at that one of two ways and and one of them is yes, he should have been in the USL and that’s absolutely valid and I think even Don Sweeney himself said that. But the second way of looking at that is the way that I look at it is let’s say that Laterno was in the US last year and this was now his freshman year at BC. Would he have had the same start that he has now? Would he have had the same scoring, you know, kind of prowess? Would he have had the same confidence? Would he have known the pace and the kind of physical rigors of NCAA hockey that he needs in order to be successful right out of the gate? You can argue that the struggle that he faced last year and knowing it by being thrown into the fire that he was forged this year to know exactly what was expected of him, what he needed to be. And I think in the long run, you’re kind of seeing a a glimpse of that paying off. Like his coach put him in those tough positions, tough minutes, didn’t really help scratch him at all. And the worst of it was playing fourthline center. Like that’s not an easy role, especially for, you know, Greg Brown, putting him in those kind of tertiary, you know, roles where you’re playing second and third fiddle to everyone else, but you’re playing every night. You’re asked to play, you know, five on five defensive zone faceoffs. You’re asked to play a defensive role in the penalty kill when you’re out there. You know, you’re asked to play power play to net front. I mean, you’re in the practices with these guys. You know, you’re going up against Ryan Leonard in scrim in scrimmages. You know, you’re going up against Gabe Perau and you’re going up against Andre Gassau and and Oscar Yelvic and you’re going up against James Hagens. Like, you’re not going up against those guys every night in the US. You’re not even going up against them in practice. And so, yeah, I think the game speed would have definitely brought him way up to tempo faster playing in the USHL. Um, but I think playing against men in college who are, you know, average age of probably what, 23 years old, you figure, and they’re 6 foot plus and 200 lb. Like, yeah, that that probably paid off for him because that’s ultimately where you want to be good, right? And we saw the same thing in terms of another Bruins prospect years and years and years ago with Mason Lauri. You know, the conversation when he was dominating the USHL was, “Oh, well, he’s 6’4 and and he’s, you know, already played in the US. He should be dominating these guys.” Well, no one should be dominating anyone anywhere. You know, that’s something that you have to do. So, for LNO, like by that same standard, if he played in the US last year and dominated it and then came out this year and he’s got, you know, half a point per game instead of a point per game, like you would look at that as, oh, okay, that’s year one of the project. Well, now we’re in year two of the project. He’s a sophomore instead of a freshman, and he’s already a point per game player. He’s already the the driver of his second line. He’s center, he’s wing, he’s taking the defensive zone draws, offensive zone draws. He’s shooting everywhere. You know, he leads the team in shots on goal anytime he gets the opportunity shooting. And it’s not like they’re, you know, little flub shots here and there or, you know, taking a long time to get him off. No, he’s he’s laying into him and he’s shooting and he’s reaping those rewards. And that’s another player that you can look at and say, “Wow, Laterno could actually have more points than he has now,” which is a pretty impressive thought. You know, you can go look at my Twitter and you’ll see um you know, various instances of him carrying the puck for his linemates and passing and you know, it either gets saved or his shot gets saved. And you know, playing against Maine is a great example. You’re playing against what? one of the best, if not the best goalender in the last two seasons of NCAA hockey. You’re scoring on him. You’re beating him shoulder high and going bar down off the face off. Like, you got to keep in mind that that a lot of people who are frustrated about like what you were saying, his bad year last year and, you know, three points in 36 games. Like, I get it. But you also have to understand that Laterno wasn’t drafted to be John Beecher. Okay? He wasn’t drafted to be Trent Frederick. Like we have to get that out of our minds when we talk about team LNO. He was what a lot of people have been clamoring for the Bruins to do is draft a highskilled player. Like he had 120 points in 50 games for a reason in prep school. The big knock on him is is he a 6’8 type player who’s playing to that stature. And a lot of times he hadn’t been, you know, he was kind of playing like he was 8 inches smaller than he is. And that drives me crazy at times, too, because it’s like, dude, you are 230 lbs and you’re 6’8. If a guy’s next to you, bury him. You know, if you’re standing in front of the crease Yeah. If you’re standing in front of the crease in the power play and someone’s like kind of pushing you out with their stick, bury him. Like, stand your ground. And we saw that, too. Um, you know, I don’t know if I I tweeted it yet, and if not, by the time you hear this uh podcast, you’ll see it. Um, you know, last game or two games ago, Lerno comes in. He gets uh buried up against the far wall in front of the penalty boxes in the neutral zone. He takes a hit to move the puck from a 5’10 or 5’11 player, gets right back up, comes back in, lays into a shot in front of the the hash marks, and on his way through, absolutely buries a guy in front of him. Just buries a poor, unassuming defender. Um, and he hit him pretty hard and it he crossjacked him essentially. No call, but that’s what you want to see, right? Like you want to see a guy of that stature use it. Use it or lose it. And that’s what you have to do. You know, you don’t want him to be a a kind of Cousins or Paul type player in in, you know, even even a Justin Brazil. Like, you don’t want to see him be this kind of bigger skilled guy who’s not using his tools to the best of his ability. If you see a guy in front of you and you have the opportunity, bury him. And that’s what we’re seeing Laterno do this year. Like, he’s not shying away from con um from from contact. He’s not shying away from finishing those checks or going out of his way. And neither is James Hagens. While we’re on that subject, I mean, he’s been kind of got that dog in him a little bit. And he has, you know, been more physical. Yeah. And it seems to be something that’s, you know, infectious with the team. And I hope LNO keeps continuing down that path because if you’re going to be a power center type who relies on his skill, you can get a a you can get way further in the NHL if you’re using that physicality with it too instead of just being a skill guy. We see it all the time. And a lot of guys who come up short are the bigger guys who aren’t using their skill and not using their size. He’s got both in spades. and he’s been, like I said, BC’s second best player. And I don’t think a lot of people had that even as a possibility looking back at last year. No, they didn’t. I want to go back to a thing you the point you made about his development path because it’s an interesting look and I hear this a lot of times when people say, “Hey, you know, it’s it’s good for you to go to the higher level because you’re practicing against those guys all the time and and it’s good because you’re you’re getting used to the team and the pace when you do jump into games.” I still do believe that being in the US would have been more helpful for him. I think it’s a percentages game. I think that you kind of want to go where the higher percentages are and I think it is better for kids to have that in between, which is the USHL, then you jump to college and then you can have your freshman year and everything. Um, but you’re right and and the other thing is there are a lot of kids though who this path would not have worked for. There are a lot of kids who would have been crushed by that last year and it would have been like, “Holy crap, I’m not that good. This is, you know, mentally this is really screwing me.” But credit to him, not the case. Credit to him. I mean, what he’s been year two, year one to year two has been fantastic. So, like it’s 100% worked for him. Now, if I was an agent and I was advising someone coming out of prep, I would not say, “Hey, jump right to college.” Because one thing I do hear from a lot of kids is the jump from prep to the USHL is so much harder than the jump from the USHL to college. Like the only big difference or not the only but the main difference between college and the USHL is the physicality. Like you you’re as you said you’re going up against grown men. Like no question. But the speed in the US is is near around what college is because it’s the same type of thing. Prep to USHL is a big difference because you’re going up against younger kids. You’re going up against some teams that don’t take hockey that seriously. Uh with some teams, not every team, but some teams. Um and you’re going up against kids who aren’t as good. Um, you know, teams will have a good top line, but after that might not have the same caliber of player as you, juniors, college, that’s not the case. Every line is going to have guys as good or around or better than you. And I think I think um, you know, a lot of kids see that. I want to get into some more of the prospects. I want to get into Providence. Um, let’s hear it. But, but first, our friends over at Prize Pix episodes brought to you by Prize Pix. You and I make decisions every day, but on Prize Pick, being right can get you paid. Don’t miss any of the excitement this season on prize picks where it’s good to be right. Keep going with David Posternok and Morgan Geeki. Goals, points, it seems to always work for prize picks. Continue to do that. Prize picks simple to play. Just pick more or less on two to six player stat projections. And if you get your picks right, you cash in. 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That is how you like you you could not exist in that system without being a two-way guy or at least trying to conform. He to me I remember when he got picked in the third round I remember being like he spent half his year in the NHL like no way. What are they doing in the third round? Turns out he’s actually turned into something. And I think when you talk about projecting talent, he’s someone that, you know, as a pro is going to play, whether it’s in the bottom six, whether it’s in the AHL middle six, like to me and and could jump into the NHL middle six if he continues to play like this. He’s someone to me that’s been really intriguing this year and these past couple years. Yeah. No, I’m I’m big fan of Pelosi. Um, you know, I I got to see him a few times in, uh, I think it was 2021 when he was with Mount St. Charles, obviously right in my backyard here in Rhode Island. But, yep. Uh, yeah, he’s he’s a Mounty and his brother’s a mounty as well, um, Rocco. And, you know, the the thing about Pelosi, and I said this earlier regarding Hagens, uh, Pelosi is a dog. like he is a dog on a bone to get the puck, be around the puck, be around the crease. You know, you watch him last weekend and uh you know, obviously having a hat-tick is great and onethird of his goals for the season have come from one game in which he had a hat-tick, but aside from the goals and aside from the points, like he is everywhere on the ice. You watch him and you will see him in the defensive zone, in the neutral zone, in the attacking zone. He’s behind his net, behind his opponent’s nets. He is everywhere. And he is annoying to play against. He’s high octane, high pressure all the time. He will be first in the fore. He will be first out of the zone with the the breakout coming the other way. And he’s the first in the scrum at the whistle. Now, in the sense of of other Bruins prospects, he kind of plays that same style of Trevor Countar, who we saw at, you know, BC as well, but he is a bit more high-end of a player. Like, he’s got the athleticism, the agility, he’s got the skating, he’s got the frame, and he’s got the mentality. Like, he does not shy away from anything. He wants the puck on his stick. He wants to shoot it. He wants to carry it. He wants to pass it to his teammates and he wants to cause an absolute nightmare for defenders in front of the net. If you’re a goalie, I feel real bad if you’re playing against Pelosi. If you’re a defenseman, good luck, man. Like, good luck. Um, and and you’re right, like he’s starting to look like a player that has more upside than, you know, the kind of Rally Durant type bottom six guy that we are looking at. um you know in that mold of guys who play that style um you know someone like Durant you’re looking at oh he could be a fourthline guy you know a utility player and you know now you’re looking at Pelosi like wow he might actually have some some middle six upside to him there in the NHL because he can pass he can shoot he can hit and he can score and we’re seeing that I mean we saw it last year too you know he was no slouch last year and he was a freshman you know I You look at Pelosi as a guy that um maybe after, you know, this year, if he continues to be a point- per game player, maybe he’s going to Providence on a uh PTO or ATO, whatever it’s classified as, and maybe he goes that Trent Frederick route like we saw where, you know, he he stepped into, you know, Wisconsin and he became a top six player like right out of right out of the gate. And now we’re seeing that with Pelosi. this year. He’s been fantastic. He is one of the hardest players to play against in the NCAA if you ask me. Um, he should be on your radar if he’s not. And I I really suggest just going to watch him. You know, he’s obviously playing in a a pretty big Eastern Conference school there in in Quinnipiac. And I know it’s not Hockey East, but you know, ECAC hockey still pretty competitive. And he’s definitely competing every night. Big fan of him. And I’m interested to see what what goes on from there. He is. And I I think it goes back to as a whole and I think you go down these prospects. Hagens, Laterno, Pelosi, Zeers is having a really good year so far. Seven goals. Simpson Simpsons tearing it up in the USHL with Youngstown, which is legit, which is a legit thing because he’s coming from Minnesota high school hockey, which is really good, but still that’s a that’s a big jump going from Minnesota high school to USHL. Blar, Bashik Blar has been interesting. There are other good prospects. Ryan Walsh is having a really good year. I always love shouting him out because I think he plays the right way and I think he’s a he’s a he’s a likable guy. I’ve had him on the show getting to know him. Yeah. Bulldog really good guy and someone that I think could could be a good pro down the road whether it’s in the AHL or the NHL. But prospect rankings always come out every year. the athletic sports and all everybody does prospect rankings and the Bruins as you know have always typically the last five to 10 years have been near the bottom or at the bottom. Have they been I haven’t heard that actually. No. Have they been? I can’t I can’t tell. Now they have some high-end guys. Now you have your Hagenses, you have your Laternos, you have your Will Zeers. Um Will Moore as well. He’s someone that we haven’t mentioned. He’s been at BC too. Um, where do you put them in the not I don’t need an exact like you know number 15 like I where in amongst the 32 teams would you put the Bruins prospectwise or or how much have they improved do you think? I think they’ve improved tenfold. I mean you know the Hagens pick alone if you ask me that bumps them up quite a bit. I I mean now you actually have and and let’s put it this way. If Hagens went, you know, third overall to Chicago. Like I don’t think a lot of teams would have bat an eye at that. I don’t think a lot of outlets would have bat an eye at that. I would have this. I think they would have said, “Hey, this is where this kid’s been projected the whole time. This is where he was slated to go. He’s he’s a third overall quality prospect.” So, I think you have to look at the quality of prospect you got instead of like where he fell. And for me, that’s a top three quality prospect in any draft unit. And for Hagens, he fell to seventh and he’s, you know, already shown like he still has those elite kind of tools that get a player into the top three. But I digress from that. Um, Hagens alone definitely bumps you up. And if you’re you’re talking about a team that’s in the 27, 28, 29 range, that to me already gets you into the low 20s, right? That gets you into the the 22 23 kind of territory. Now, Laterno kind of taking big steps and much bigger steps than anyone anticipated. Um, you know, if you asked anyone last year, they’d probably be happy if he ended this year with 15 points, 20 points. Now, it looks like he’s going to be well past that. A lot of a lot of time passes throughout this season and maybe we look back and say, “Oh, well, you know, he fell off. He 16 points and whatever.” So now it’s looking like Lerno is going to be more of a point per game type guy in his second year. That’s a big talent increase as well. So now you add him into the fold. Will Zellers, the USHL scorer of the year, player of the year, you know, offensive player of the year, won all these accolades, shooting up the the list as well and and going into a freshman season at North Dakota, which is another pro style system there that they play. um you know, especially being the the NCHC in in their division. Now you’re getting into the territory of I think probably ranked 16 to 18 to 19ish somewhere around there. I’d say probably 16 to 20 range. Um, you know, like you said, you got Higgins, Laterno, Zeers, Cooper Simpson, who is second in points in the US, and I know the USHL is kind of in a transition year with the changes between the CHL and the NCAA and whatnot, but it’s still a tough league to play in. It’s not easy. It’s definitely not easy for someone like you were saying earlier who jumped from high school to USHL and is already, you know, there’s a difference between putting up points and putting up points with kind of the the swagger and confidence that he is. And to me, that’s what makes him a top prospect in the system is he’s beating guys any which way you can imagine. You know, one time passing, you know, playmaking, skating into the zone. He’s very good at zone entries and we kind of saw that in um you know Buffalo when he was playing in the prospect challenge. Very efficient at at zone entries and he’s doing that already in the USL and he’s a go-to guy for his team. Now you also have Will Moore that you mentioned too. This time last year, Will Moore was uh projected to be a top what 15 pick in the draft roughly. And you know, when I was well, when I was looking ahead at 24 the year before, he was someone that was talked about in those early rankings as like a top 15 prospect. And things change obviously new prospects come about. You you dive deeper into the class when it’s their actual time to be drafted. But still a kid who like going into his draft year was like a first round candidate 100%. Yeah. And and a lot of that too, and you can chalk that up to the MTDP had a down year. Like they were a mess on a lot of nights. And we talked about this the last time um you know I was on your show, like they were just out of whack. Like a lot of nights the effort wasn’t there. It wasn’t the same kind of standard of of compete that you expect from the US NCDP. And Moore was also part of that. you know, like there were nights where he was indifferent. And something that um just a quick caveat on him, like something that I’ve noticed that is following him at times um and and I think he’ll he’ll kind of work through is from last year at the NCDP, if you’re watching him, he was very good at getting pucks out of the zone and then getting to center ice and kind of being along the walls, whether it’s on the side of the penalty bench or, you know, the opposite side. He was waiting a while for his teammates to catch up to him and then having it set in his mind that he was going to make that pass regardless of of if a defender got back and it’d be intercepted or it’d be you know kind of picked off easily because he’s waiting for a winger to come and you know catch up to the play and he’s standing there and he’s pretty good at protecting the puck a lot like Charlie Coyle was where if you go and pressure him he’s going to deak around you or he’s going to deceive you and and he’s going to get the puck in or go around you and skate with it. That’s something that I see this year too at at BC that I think he’s not struggling with, but it’s something he’s got to work through and kind of get that tempo more um you know, align with with the rest of the players around him. So, the talent itself for Moore is right there. Like that’s a a top 30 player in a draft year, I think, if you’re watching him. And I said as much like when he got drafted, the Bruins got very good value there. And you obviously know it from watching him. Like that was a surefire first round pick. He fell because of, you know, compete issues and questions around um, you know, maybe consistency and ceiling and what the program was able to do last year. And again, that’s someone that I think in this new wave of Bruins prospects that you kind of look past um, the guys that I know you want to get into in Providence, he’s part of that new wave. And I think that’s the kind of value pick that the Bruins kind of, you know, missed out on in previous years, like guys who were projected to go higher and fell, they kind of let those guys keep falling, you know. Um, this time around they got him and he’s already a a contributor for BC in a lot of ways and and he looks like a a pretty skilled player and he stands out. So, if you’re looking at their rankings and and what a addition like a more kind of does to you, it adds you a, you know, top 45, top 30 quality prospect at 60 overall. And who knows, like maybe he’s part of that next top nine forward group that steps in for Boston. But, you know, he’s another guy that if you look at um, you know, another team that, let’s say, Vancouver or someone took him at 28th overall or whatever team had, you know, 28th or 29th overall, you probably wouldn’t have bat an eye. You would have been like, “Oh, you know what? He was in the conversation the whole time, right?” So, for me, the the the Bruins have been the last two years doing very well in the draft in terms of that. um taking more of those skilled kind of two-way mold guys that lean more towards the skill size skill side of things instead of just size and two-way ability and now they have to figure out the offensive driving consistently but they have that ability. So I would say to to answer your ultimate question somewhere in the 16 to 20 range and I think that is a drastic jump. I completely agree with you on where they are. I’m the same in the exact same area like that. You know, I think it it’s telling that and it really goes back to the deadline last year with all the moves they made getting Zeers, getting Fraser Mitten as well. I know he’s in Boston now, but he wasn’t part of the prospect pool entering this year. Draft picks they acquired, getting this, you know, end ending up with the seventh overall pick. And I think the good news for the Bruins is like it’s not like, you know, 16 or 17 is your cap because you’re making more. You’re going to have two first this year most likely. You’re probably going to have more picks you might acquire later in the draft if you trade a guy like Arvdson. So like that’s another potential pick. And like you’re going to have picks these next couple years. Your prospect ranking should go higher. You should not end up just staying at 16. You should get into the 11 12 range. Maybe even into the top 10 if you draft well enough. And and you know I think the biggest thing for them is like all right we mentioned a ton of forwards here. Not a lot of D. I like Elliot Granald at Quinnipiac, but outside of him and um uh uh Blenar is a defenseman too, right? Blar is the project defenseman 6’5. Um uh so that’s that’s as well. Liam Patterson, but like I think you do have to spend an early pick, hopefully the first or one of the firsts on preferably a bigger right shot defensive. But that’s a conversation I’ll save for right and it depends who’s available. But to your point as well, like they got seventh overall last year, even if they continue to, you know, vastly and and I just want to emphasize this for anyone listening, vastly overperform their underlying metrics for where they should be this year, which I don’t think they will. Sorry to be uh, you know, rain maker for everyone, but they might end up with that pick anyways from Toronto. So, I don’t know. they they might have that opportunity to pick or do what you know the Islanders did last year outside of the first overall pick where you get you know two mid- teens pick and you take two other very good prospects. So they might be in line for that again and then you know you got the Florida pick again. So you got what five first round picks in the next three years like that’s goes a long way. It does. And even if this year if you end up with two picks between 10 and 20, you take that. You can you can package those move up. You can trade them, but also like two high-end players. You’ll take that every single time and they could certainly use it. Um, I want to dive into Providence. It is. It is. I want to dive into Providence real quick. Uh, but first, make sure to go subscribe to Burns Ringside on YouTube. We’re doing these all the time, usually live. Anthony always tunes in, which I appreciate. Jumps in with his commentary uh from Twitter. Someone has to. Or or YouTube. Someone has to. someone has to bring order to the comment section. Uh, but this one is is just recorded. Anthony, we’ll have you on a live one at some point because we can get the people interacting with you, which I think will be good. Um, and then obviously if you don’t like watching us or if you’re driving, please don’t watch us while driving, you can just listen, Spotify. Yeah, please don’t do that. Podbean, wherever you get your podcast from. And then there’s lots of other great stuff at Sean, too. Celtics all access, Patriots Press Pass. Uh, those channels are rolling. Um, Providence. Lot of guys actually having pretty good years, but I want to focus on someone that’s been struggling so far. Matt Patra. Eight points, 16 games, one goal, minus two. You watch Providence quite a bit, a lot more than I do. What’s going on with him? What’s going on with with that whole situation? It’s uh it’s interesting, you know, and and again, I don’t want to be someone that and and anyone who’s listening to me, even my biggest critics, you know, me as as a guy who doesn’t get too low on things, right? I’m not trying to be a hater. I’m not trying to be, you know, a Debbie Downer. And I think something that that is mildly concerning though is are the Bruins and the Providence Bruins in a position to develop skilled forwards versus just the the two-way grinders. And on one hand, you can say, well, you know, it’s on the player, right? Like Pattra has to go down there and he has to be that assertive player. He has to earn it. He has to be, you know, the gritty player and he has to show us that he can do that. But on the flip side of that, in the other hand, it’s like if you’re not putting Mattra in a position to focus on his game and play his game and be that skilled player that we saw in, you know, in G in Boston when he made the team at 19, you know, as a top nine center already, are you putting him in the position to succeed and develop to his strengths? And I’m not sure they’re doing that well right now. And you know, on the surface, you look at what you just said and and you know, 14 points, I mean, 14 games, eight points or 13, whatever it is, that doesn’t sound bad. But then you look at his game log and the second game of the season, he got half of his points, which is four, from one game against Cleveland. So that was a month and a half ago. So since then he has one goal, three assists, four points in Yeah. Not much 14 games. That’s tough. And you know, you look at him and again like this is where the eye test comes in, right? And I know everyone listening to this in the year of 20125, all the eye test. Well, it’s important for a lot of reasons. One, it shows you what the player is doing away from the puck. It shows you if you know he only has four points because he’s nowhere to be found in the play. He’s lagging behind. He’s all over the map. He can’t handle the puck. He can’t shoot. He can’t score. He can’t pass. Or is he setting up his linemates and you know they’re they’re not connecting? Are they like we talked about with Hagens? Yeah. Hagens and and Stiga. Are they are they oil and vinegar? You know, are are they making a salad dressing or are they just two parts there? and piss and vinegar, right? Yeah. Um, tough scene. And that that kind of that kind of lays into it, right? It’s what I see with with Patcha is the foot speed was never a big um strength of his, right? It was always his hands, his vision, his IQ, his his game processing speed. One thing that I’ve always said about Batta and and you know I I’ll die on this hill is that one of his best assets and something that made him, you know, be a top nine NHL forward at age 19 was his ability to face the wall, pull the puck out of the wall and get into dirty areas with it. Like I was saying about Zaka earlier, he’s very elusive. He’s very slippery. He was very efficient at pulling pucks off the wall and skating into dangerous ice territory, whether that be in the circles or the hashes. He was good at at, you know, evading forwards, taking time, opening up space, and opening up time and opportunities for his linemates because he is somebody that you can’t take the puck away from because he’ll burn you if you try. And I’m not seeing enough of that in Providence. um you know the question which was what you asked um you know to start this was what’s going on with with Quattra this week uh or last week shall I say cuz we’re recording now um if you look at my Twitter feed network you’ll find a question that I proposed about what’s going on withra with a clip of him taking a puck out of a puck battle that kind of went too long in the far corner and he pulled it out in front of the net got a shot off, but it was not his typical kind of speed and and quickness that he did that with. And he didn’t score. And it wasn’t a bad play. It was a good play actually. Like he registered a shot on goal. He got the puck from uh you know, I think two P Bruins were on two defenders in the corner and he got it out being the third forward in. But I see a guy a lot of nights that he’s competitive. You know, he’s finishing checks. He’s going out of his way to hit. He’s trying to be more abrasive. But I’m not seeing that kind of high skill, highquickness forward that we saw um you know even last year in the AHL. So maybe it’s that he’s struggling. Maybe it’s that Providence as a whole isn’t really scoring that much outside of you know like Riley Tuy and Patrick Brown which like you know a lot of people will say they’re they’re Providence’s best forwards and that’s true but I will say this that’s expected of them. They are 6’6. You know, if you’re Tuy, you’re 6’6 and 240 pounds. If you’re Patrick Brown, you’re 6’2, 230 pounds. You’re tanks. Like, you are grown men again who are expected to to succeed in this league because you can. Like, that is your ceiling. You are AHL veteran players, that is what you do. Now, smaller players and more skilled players, they’re not going to have that same success because they’re not bruisers. Like you can be bruisers in the AHL and and succeed and score a lot of of points. Like look at Jeff Fiel. Jeff Fel has not recorded an NHL point since Zedo Char was playing for the Islanders. Again, think about that. Like that’s what you’re saying. That’s that’s that’s what you’re talking about when you say these guys are the best players. Like yes, it’s true, but that’s because they can bruise their way to points in the AHL and a lot of guys aren’t going to be able to do anything about it. So, Pua isn’t one of those guys. He’s not a bruiser. He’s not a grinder. It’s the same thing that you see with Merculov. If he’s not beating you with his playmaking and his and his skill, he’s not going to beat you bowling his way to the crease. It just doesn’t work that way. Um, so, yeah, it’s it’s it’s a bit disappointing right now to see that, you know, he was making it look way too easy last year. And I don’t know if it’s because maybe he’s down on, you know, the fact that other guys are getting opportunities that he feels he should have or he should have if you ask me. Or if he feels like, you know, maybe he’s stuck in the mud, you know, maybe he feels like after being a 41 points in 40 games last year, slightly above point per game, technically speaking, I mean, you call that point per game, it’s like 1.05 or 1.02. Yeah. um you know, maybe he’s, you know, kind of kind of going through the motions there. But again, like he hasn’t been bad. It’s just I haven’t seen that same kind of confidence and swagger with the puck that I expect out of Quattra. And Providence as a whole hasn’t been that great at scoring. You know, they’re kind of in the same boat that Providence is where they’re getting kind of I mean that Boston is where they’re getting topheavy scoring. You know, they’re getting power play points and then five on five. they’re not really generating all too much if you look at the scores and the box scores like you know even Dan Lash Melis a guy that that you’re looking at to kind of you know have a hot start last year and now he’s falling back to earth so maybe it’s a systemic thing you know maybe they’re maybe maybe it’s something like that where they’re asking to work on specific parts of his game I don’t know I haven’t had those conversations with them I’m not in the the war room with Sweeney Mujanel and you know himself so I don’t know But I will say it it is slightly concerning to see, you know, a kind of decrease in that. And when you watch the player, it seems like at times he’s focusing too much on that two-way ability. And I think you got to let bera like let him be that skilled young kind of spitfire, you know, lead with his stick and puck and and let him create the way that he creates. Like don’t try and square peg round hole him into a a role that is not suited for him. This is what worries me. This is what worries me. So like Matt Potra has a two-way ability in him. He’s not like a only skilled type young player. Yeah. He’s just not physical and he’s not amazing protecting himself. Yeah. You can you can be a two-way defensive forward and not be look look at Danton Heinen. Perfect example. The guy who A doesn’t have the best of wheels or the best speed. B, he is not physical. Well, physical in the sense of, you know, throwing big hits like VL or Brown or, you know, Tuy or or Jano, but he’s very defensively reliable and you can be that player like you’re saying. So, this is my worry. Not so much with Potra, but organizationally, Providence hasn’t produced a top six forward in a while. And to their, you know, Bruins also haven’t had a lot of high picks past last year, so like I’ll I’ll give them that. but still not producing a lot of uh highskll guys coming into the NHL. Fabian Lysel, that has not worked out so far. And then you have someone like Marco Sturm at the NHL level who I think’s done well so far this year, but they play a you know lowcoring defense for and the Bruins have always been defense first. So like it’s not just Sturm, but you know physical heavy uh defensive type of hockey. That’s that’s how he wants them to play. You have all these guys like Hagens, Laterno, Pelosi, or excuse me, not really Pelosi, but Zeers, Simpson, and you’ll probably get more high-end mainly offensive guys in this in this upcoming draft. Are they in a position to develop these guys? Like that’s where I look at and I’m like, you know, I’m not, as I said, I’m like you, I’m not in the room making these decisions with these uh with these players, but are they equipped to develop these guys into um into into contributing NHL high-end top six offensive players? Like, you know, David Postrock’s David Post. That’s that’s going to come through, you know, arguably no matter what. But guys like Hagens who has some holes in his game, like there are there are things there that he needs to work on still and there will be growing pains in the NHL. Like I just wonder if they are equipped enough to to push those guys up and and push them into the best position that they can. Yeah. No, and listen, I agree with you on that and I’m a big defender of of, you know, the kind of Providence ethos of it’s a place you go that is not a punishment, but it’s a place where you go and you work on shortcomings to your game while also being in a system that mirrors Boston. You know, completely their coach mirrors Boston. their the way that they they handle their, you know, top six group very much so reminiscent of Boston. You know, they they use Patrick Brown as that burggeron role down there of being the do all, you know, be all forward. And that’s great, but like you’re saying, you you can’t have this cookie cutter mentality anymore because you’re not only drafting, you know, Trent Frederick’s Jack Stenas and, you know, Johnny Beechers anymore. you’re drafting guys who have different tool kits for different reasons. You know, Will Zeers is more in that kind of Brad Marshand, Connor Garland mold of like a, you know, smaller smaller frame, higher skill, high shot, high pace player. And it’s like, you can’t expect to turn him into a a two-way bruiser. Like, you can’t do that. You know, you can’t expect a grinder. You can’t expect James Hagens to be turned into a Frasier Minton, you know, like you can’t do that. And you have to put these guys in positions to succeed and you have to let them play their game even if it means giving up some opportunities the other way that you don’t want to give up. Like trust in your defense, trust in your system, and trust in your goalenders, right? Like if that’s what you’re preaching in Boston and you’re still going to sign and acquire these guys like Tanner Jano, you’re going to acquire uh Frasier Minton, you know, you’re going to acquire a Merritt Henino who is the best of both worlds there. It’s kind of like a Frasier Minton and James Hagens hybrid type of of style player. Like if you’re going to have those guys who are responsible and reliable, you can afford to put the Hagens in, you know, you can afford to put the Quattres in, even the Lysels. Like, if you’re Fabian Lysel in Providence right now, right? What are you thinking? Like, are you thinking that you’re going to get an opportunity in Boston to play your game? Or are you thinking that you’re going to have to conform to what this system wants you to be? um conform to this system that it wants you to be like well I would say Lel is probably thinking I’m not even getting a shot in Boston like I’m not let alone playing my game I’m not going up there. Yeah he’s thinking I got to go hit someone you know and it’s like you have to start wondering and and like you said like to their credit um they haven’t had the opportunity to draft too many highskilled players because they’re usually off the board but Lysel is a good example of that because he fell to them. Everyone knows what Lysel was the day of the draft. He was slated to go top 15 at the lowest and he fell to you at 21st. So you know what he is. You know what his ceiling is and now you’re asking him to be something that he’s not. I think anyways I think that’s what what you’re kind of doing. So it’s a very fair and valid question to ask of is the coach in Providence the right guy for that? Is the development staff the right guy? Is the is the skills and and puck coach the right guy down there? And you know, it’s great that guys like Adam Quaid and and Chris Kelly are in the organization, but you look at them, they were never those guys. You know, one was a stay-at-home defenseman, one was a third line center that if you’re Frasier Minton, you should be happy to learn from because that’s kind of like almost a onetoone of of what you should be, right? or what you you hope to be or aspire to be like a prime 20 goal Chris Kelly, right? That one year that he did that um before Sharelli gave him still though like I I what I will say though is that you can you can have been a stay-at-home defenseman or a third line center and still be able to produce highs. I mean those are smart guys% for sure. And and I’ll even say like I I like this hire a lot and I like coached at Cushing. Ryan Bourke I said this to you the other day like Ryan Bourke was at the national program. Ryan Bourke has coached some high-end guys. Everybody I’ve talked to has said that James Higgins, that’s right. His coach James Hagens, like everyone I’ve talked to said, that guy thinks the game on a different level and is able to teach it really, really well that can get a division one commit to buy into it or a kid who’s just at Cushing for four years and then going to move on to regular life like him to buy into. I I Bourc is a hire down there. I like like Bourke I think is going to be a perfect fit for those types of players. But on the whole of it, I’m like, are they are they ready to take on what they’re drafting? Because I’m with you. I like the way they’re drafting. It’s just that next wave of like now, can they get those guys to that level? That’s the part that I think is is worth questioning. You know, I Yeah, I I agree. And you know, I don’t want it to come off as me saying like, you know, McUade and Chris Kelly are bad in their roles. They’re good in their roles. But my point is, you know, that old Einstein quote, right, or whoever it was, Ben Franklin, I don’t know. I’m not a history buff, but one of those guys. If you Yeah. One one of those old dudes. If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, you’re going to think it’s stupid, right? So, you can’t keep this this mindset of the guys like Puatra and Lysel need to be two-way gritty forwards where they have to play, you know, north south hockey along the wall and they have to only win their puck battles. You got to find a role and you got to sometimes create a role for a player that is going to be utilized differently. Like you have to think a little forwardly with them. Sometimes in Boston that looks like putting Mason Laurai on, you know, the third pair and allowing him to have those, you know, defensive holes in his game, but he moves the puck so well and he can run a power play. So, you got to create a role for him. You got to start thinking about that, I think, in the big picture, like you’re saying, with guys like Hagens, Zeers, um, Simpson, even someone like Lerno. You know, if you’re expecting LNO to be um this big burly two-way, you know, Minton in-your-face type player, you might be disappointed. And you got to let him be his player, just like you got to let Lysel play his game if you’re going to give him a shot. Quattra, those guys, I think as a whole, I’m not overly concerned with Matt Pattra. Yeah, I I am a little concerned like you were saying about wondering what’s going on in Providence and wondering if the vision is kind of uh something that that needs to be reassessed. So, we’ll see. I’m I’m not too sure, but it’s still early in the season. One thing I like from I don’t want to say modern day coaches because I think this has always kind of been around, but it feels like it’s more around now is letting players be themselves, letting them be them on the ice, letting them play their game. Um I you even heard this up in Boston recently with Houston Dean off down the middle and Posternok was like no I want him to I will work with him. He can do whatever he needs to do. I will work off his game. That is totally fine. Like I think that’s the right mindset to have. And I think for a long time the Bruins have had that two-way gritty big bad Bruins kind of mindset. And look they’ve they won a lot like they they they were not unsuccessful. I know they only have one cup in the last you know a bunch of years but like they’re on the doorstep. But I think the game has changed. It’s more of a speed and skill game than ever before. And I think you have guys now in your prospect pool who fit that mold. You got to let them be that. Um and I think that’s something that hopefully they they um they take into account uh coming up soon. Um Anthony, what can people look forward to from you? Bruins Network, Twitter. What what should people be looking out for? uh you know just more clips about guys uh doing something doing a lot of nothing somewhere in between you know scoring assists uh in terms of the the do nothing part that I mentioned sometimes I post some clips that are more about the uh the details of the game so if you’re looking for some more in-depth analysis versus uh just hey this guy scored this guy got an assist follow me at Bruins Network on Twitter and uh tune in to what I’m what I’m cooking up there for clips you should there are lots of times I’ll be like I didn’t see That’s interesting because you’ll go I’ll text you and I’ll be like, “You’re just watching this game at 9:00 a.m.” And you’re like, “Damn right I am.” Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I love that. Um right here. That’s perfect for me. Um well, Anthony, this has been fun. That this has been fun. That’s Anthony Bruins Network. I’m Evan Marinowski. You Bruins be listeners. Have a great rest of your week.

On this episode of Bruins Beat, Evan Marinofsky and Anthony Kwetkowski (aka Bruins Network) highlight and break down the Bruins top prospects. They dive into whether or not Providence can develop talent, Matt Poitras and ranking the Bruins prospect pool. 

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