Canucks Open to Trading Veteran Players // Canucks After Dark

Canucks Open to Trading Veteran Players // Canucks After Dark

Good evening, Vancouver. Welcome back to Kucks After Dark. It is Monday, November 24th. Yes, it is November still, and it feels like the Vancouver Canucks are really on the outside looking in. Uh, but as always, here to talk about it with me is Kuck Clay. How are we feeling today? Okay, Parker, we talked last Monday about we’d only have two games to cover and we’re never at a loss for words, a loss for topics. But then we got Adam Foot talking about Russian vloggers in the basement. We got Jim Rutherford apparently telling Elliot Friedman or others that he’s willing to with trade veterans. We We have a lot to talk about tonight, unfortunately. Yeah. A and you know two not even a month and a half ago our hope was at this point of the season we’d be talking about hey you know the Canucks are you know a point out or they’re just in the playoff race or hey they’ve gotten off to a really good start and they’re right in the mix and um and maybe we’re talking about uh a different team that has had a terrible start and we’re saying hey maybe what what sort of assets could maybe we try to trade for and and build a bit of a contender here. Um, unfortunately where we are on November 24th, pre-american Thanksgiving, uh, is the third worst team in the NHL as per the standings. The third worst five-on-ive team in the NHL per statick. I don’t have money pucks numbers in front of me, but last week they had us at the worst in the NHL for the uh for expected goals percentage and uh I don’t think it’s gotten much better. Uh in fact, they are the worst. Uh oh, second worst. Seattle got slightly below us in expected goals percentage at five on five, but the number got worse from last week, I think even, which is impressive um because they had two games where they outshot their opponents, but they still lost both. Um it’s uh it’s feeling really bleak for being November. Yeah, you make such a good point about Yeah. Our shows all throughout the summer were about Exactly. Um do you do you try and surround Quinn Hughes with really good players to get him to stay? Do you uh show more of a vision long-term, younger, and still competitive to get him to stay? I don’t know about you. Does it feel like getting Quinn to stay is is not even I don’t know for sure. And yes, we can offer eight years because of the way that the CBA is changing. We can offer him eight years and another team can only offer him six years. So, this is the perfect time actually for the CBA rules to change. It gives us a two-year advantage, a 25% longer contract. We can offer 10% of the salary or 20%. So, 20 million times 8. We can Parker, we can put a $160 million $160 million contract offer in front of him and it still might not be enough. Might not be. And uh yeah, the the the real problem here is, you know, we we’ve sort of known that or at least the the thought has been uh hey, we need to prove to this player who’s very competitive that this is going to be a competitive hockey club. Yeah. Um and if you look at how it stands right now, the Conucks are seven points out already. M um now you might say, “Oh, there’s a lot of time left. There’s 59 games left, which really isn’t that many.” Uh considering we’re almost a third of the way through the season already. And yeah, it’s it’s looking really really bleak because we always talk about what is it 13 14 games above 500, right? Well, the Canucks are three games back of that back of 500 already. So they would have to go in their last 59 games, let’s call it 17 games over 500. Yeah. Which basically means they’d have to have like a 700 points percentage or something like that the rest of the way out, right? Like the it’s it’s so improbable uh especially for a team that hasn’t given us anything any reason to believe in them. Um that it’s November and it feels like we’re getting close to death march already. It’s this is something that, you know, we actually had to wait till January in the past for when the team was bad and now this team’s supposed to be better and we had a little taste of success two years ago that it just looks more and more like a fluke and we’re we’re it’s it’s not even December. So, Parker, you’re you’re good at math. I’m actually decent at math and I I just want to paint a picture and many of you viewers are good at math. So, I I’m not insulting anyone’s intelligence, but I just want to show you what Parker’s talking about. For us to go 17 games over 500 in our final 59 games, it is something like 35 18 and six. Ju just think about that. 35 18 and six. That adds up to 59. That is 17 games over 500. We have to win basically twice as much as we lose if you if you knock off the extra time losses. So, two out of every three. Yeah, the Canucks need to average about 1 point, if you assume that 95 is the playoff bar, they need to average about 1.3 points per game. Um, which would be, yeah, 630 rounds up to 636. Um, call it, yeah, 635, let’s just say. And yeah, winning two out of every three games, excluding overtime, things like that, would be 667. So, a hair under winning two of every three games. Um, which remember when we hired Budro, that was the mantra, right? It was win two of every three games and you make a push. And they did a decent job at that. Um, but that’s a real uphill battle. Um, because I don’t think the coach is getting fired anytime soon, although he is saying some odd things. And, uh, you know, this team is just vastly underperformed to the point where we’re talking about who’s going to get traded. like this team is, you know, we’ve heard they’re looking to get younger. They’re going to be trading veteran players. You’ve got people online posting Tankathon screenshots of of winning the Gavin McKenna lottery, which would be great, but I’m not going to get my hopes up for that. Y um so yeah, it’s uh it’s a pretty miserable spot to be before American Thanksgiving. Yeah. And I thought actually Jack was gonna say Clay has more of a chance to grow uh some hair before uh making the cut, but he said a foot taller, which I’ll take. I’m only 5’6, but yes. Um both are improbable. Well, I’m already 51 years old. I don’t think I’m growing, at least not that way. And uh for yeah, for the Canucks make the playoffs, it would take nothing short of well, I don’t want to say miracle because that I think that’s that’s uh but yeah, you we just outlined the math for you guys. So, I don’t know if anyone in the chat is is any generally more optimistic than I am, but even I even I with my rosecoled glasses know that’s a tough task. For sure. For sure. Yeah. Uh at least the Leafs are at about the same record, right? That’s that’s fun to look at. Uh no, but seriously looking at like like Money Puck has the Conucks at a 0.1% chance of winning the Stanley Cup. So 1,000 still. We’re still in there. 0.1 0.1. Yep. Well, great. Um, so, you know, that’s it’s a fun place to be. Um, meanwhile, Anaheim is a 4% chance. Crazy how that’s gone. Um, wow. Yeah. I don’t even know where to start today because we have two games that uh only two games over the past week for the Canucks since our last show last Monday. They had two two-day breaks. Y um so two home games in which they scored a total of four goals. um had a decent number of shots, but you know, weren’t really weren’t really really in either game, right? They were in the Dallas game, but once Dallas scored that 3-2 goal, it was it didn’t really feel like they had much left. And then they they just weren’t in this Calgary game, right? They they allowed two goals in 25 seconds. So, it it it felt like a really bad week to be a Canucks fan, obviously, because they they go 0 and2 teams around them uh won some games in the division. Um, and now we’re hearing as of like literally as I was prepping the thumbnail and the title and everything. I I just typed in Kucks News cuz I remember seeing some Connor Garland stuff yesterday and I was and that I was figured I figured I’m like, “Oh, it’s going to be a Connor Garland related thumbnail or something like that.” Um, and then I see 30 minutes ago Elliot Freriedman like, “Oh boy.” uh with the you know Canucks being um you know listening to trade offers on veteran players uh again in in November on a team that was supposed to be pushing for a playoff spot. Um so I don’t know where to start. Um but well I have a suggestion what we could do um because there’s no game today. You know how we usually wrap up the game and go backwards because there’s no game today and there’s only two. I think we can go in order. We can go Dallas then Calgary and then we can talk about Adam Foot’s comments today. We can talk about Elliot Freeman’s and I think that that’ll get us going pretty good. Sounds good. So, let’s go back to the 20th, which I guess was Thursday. Uh, yeah, Stars in Town. Uh, did you go to this one? I did. I went to both these. Uh, this one was a fun game. This one was actually close. It was good. It was good. Yeah, I actually enjoyed watching this game. Um, and it was it was, you know, a team, you know, one of those contenders that, you know, you’re you’re sort of looking out for. Um, and it was a fun game until Ranton decided to become disgusting and and score that 360. But, um, yeah, this game starts off poorly, right? They they allow this goal a minute in uh, which I I feel like has been something that we’ve seen before from the Canucks, right? Um, I feel like there’s been many instances over the last Yeah. 15, 20 years where I’ve turned the Conucks game on a minute late and they’re down one- nothing. Um, and that was the case here. And this is just a tough one, right? Because it’s it’s sort of a twoon-one. Uh, Lanin makes the stop, ends up swimming into the trapezoid basically. Uh, and then there’s just a battle for the puck that really like I’m looking at it and and there’s a Kuck in the net. There’s like I really feel like they should have won a battle here, but they just didn’t. A really nice falling play um by Rawian. Rawian. Yeah, that guy. He’s he’s good. Uh Justin Canadian. Wouldn’t have guessed. Um uh oh, French Canadian. Maybe that’s maybe that’s why. Um but in his 26 NHL game or whatever. Um you know, sweet pass to Maverick Bork who scores and uh are uphill early. Yeah, that one is tough because uh you thought Lankin had it under his butt and then there were like two Canucks closer to him than any other star and then there were like what I think all four all five if not four of the Canucks were in the crease when Bour still scored but somehow Dallas got the puck and scored. So it was a rough start for sure. It was a rough start. Yeah. Yeah. That’s one that you’d uh you’d hope that someone would get a piece of or someone win a battle somewhere coming up with. You got it. They do get one on their first shot of the game a few minutes later. Just a bad turnover in the in the neutral zone from uh from Blackwell uh from the Stars. Carlson comes in on a two-on-one. Um just shot short side the post. Good shot. Aer probably should have that um most of the time. He’s a he’s a good enough goalie uh to be making that save, but just missed that one I think under the arm and uh tied 3 minutes in. Yep. Good shot. Carlson uh Foot really likes him. always talks about how, you know, he he he’s not afraid to go to the net, how he’s got bigger body and he’s got decent hands. So, I think uh yeah, that was that was coming right at me. My seats are behind the opposing goalie for first and third period. So, I like that. And then, um it felt good cuz that was a good um good answer, good response just two minutes after the Dallas goal. Mhm. Yeah. But then a few minutes later, uh Kucks sort of hemmed in uh a little bit. Uh goes into the corner. Uh, and then again, right, we talk about that first goal being, you know, losing battles, right? And here’s another one where the puck sort of squirts free to to Sherwood and he’s just, you know, a little bit weak on his stick, gets his pocket picked, Robertson just turns and fires. It’s a great shot. It’s a great goal, but like, man, you just It’s just a play that can’t happen when when you’re a team that’s fighting for every point at this at this time of the year. Yeah, Robertson certainly showed his skill here and you don’t blame Sherwood. like he he’s definitely cooled down a bit. Well, the whole team has cooled down a bit, but he’s he’s cooled down a little bit. But yeah, that is I get it. Things happen so fast and you know these guys are so good with their hands. But you would have liked to see Sherwood just split second play there. I I’m not sure if you watch the replay, Parker. I think he had to bring it over to his forehand and in doing so that’s how Robertson stripped it. I think I think yeah I mean it was it was a sort of a quick like the the Dallas player chopped it when Sherwood was going for another backhand but it looks like he has the puck on the forehand like it looks like he got to it and Robertson just pulled it right over. Um yeah it’s unlucky. Um but uh it’s one of those ones where where you want you want the play to be made and then yeah you’ve got Meers sort of swimming in front and it goes over him and and over Lanin and Lankin probably barely even sees this with Meyers there like the actual release itself. Yep. Um so it’s it’s an unfortunate one but then at least we get out of the period tied, right? Yeah. Power play. Um sort of a a weird goal, right? Person sort of drives in from the side. Uh he bats at it. De Brusk bats at it. Sherwood gets a piece of it. it goes in in the air somehow like it’s just floating at sort of knee height and everyone’s just swinging at it and eventually Person’s the one that knocks it in. Um which is good to see him you know continuing to score a little bit. Uh you know he’s close to that point a game mark and he ties the game there despite Dress uh racing to the bench for the fist bumps first because I thought that was pretty funny because person I was with actually said to me no that’s Pety’s goal and he he was right. Yeah. Yeah. But the breast is doing well. You know, he had very slow October. Picked up in November. That’s the way he does it, right? And then, um, at least he’s contributing. And I know he was only four that got a point yesterday as well. So, that was good. Mhm. Um, nothing in the second period, even though the Canucks had a lot of shots, 15-6 in the uh in the second. Um, even on all those shots, actually, they I guess they had a couple power plays potentially. Uh yeah, they had two power plays in the second uh and created a lot of offense there. Couldn’t score. Uh we go to the third and uh yeah, tough tough goal halfway through the third, right? It’s again, it’s a game where you’re sort of battling back and forth against one of the best teams in your conference and in the league. Uh and you’re hoping that you can, you know, get into overtime or get a point of this one or find a way to win it. And then yeah, just a bad zone entry um that gets broken up at the line. Uh, so the Canucks are all going the wrong way. Um, and it results in a pinch and quick up the ice twoon-one. Hughes sells out a little bit for uh, Foxa and it’s a perfect play to Blackwell. Like a really nice pass to Blackwell and he just beats Hughes to the spot uh, and able to beat Lankin up upstairs. And this was aggravating Parker because the Canucks they weren’t dominating but they were playing well against one of the Western Conference powerhouses played them all even and then on this goal I think there were three mistakes right Mckran didn’t get it deep Vander pinches I know these are all split-second decisions and then Hughes speaking of split-second decision he yeah he chases Fox uh to I almost swore there uh to the to the bench or to the boards and he makes beautiful pass to Blackwell and then um Yep. And that’s all she wrote. Yeah. Canucks were again they were pressing late, right? Trying to trying to tie it and then they like half pulled Lankan in. He has to go back in cuz Kane couldn’t get the puck deep in the zone. Um like again just on the zone entry like it’s just it’s just plays that have to be made, right? The D man is has one hand on his stick and just chops at Kane who’s on the wall with with two hands on his stick and is just thinking about firing it around and he just gets it chopped away from him by Heiskinan. Um it ends up being a one-on-one, sort of a twoon-one. I guess the other Dallas player faded off and went for a change. Yeah. Um and then Rantin just put on the spin cycle on Besser and ripped a backhand off the post. It was a perfect goal. Um but uh yeah, you I was hoping I was like, well, they get, you know, get the net empty, have a chance to to tie this one up. Um and then they just never got that opportunity. And then we could, you know, we we could wish all we want that Ranton wasn’t playing because this was the game after he smoked Romanov from the I’m not laughing. He smoked Romanov from the Islanders into the in the boards and everyone got mad at him. No, there’s two games ago and then Oh, no, that was that was the game before this. And then he did something to Calgary guy. So, Ramsey has been like all over the place. But yeah, I you got to admit that was that that was a pretty sick goal. And I don’t Yeah, I don’t know. I’ve never played goal. So, I don’t know. Every time I see a backhand go in, Parker, no matter who it’s against, I’m like the goalie should have that. That was a pretty elite play, right? It was It was perfect. It’s hard to read, right? Um cuz it it’s not really as directional when it comes off. It’s way harder to control, too, if you’re the one taking the backhand, right? But just to have that much force on it and to have it perfectly go off the inside of the post, I don’t blame Lankin in there at all. Um you know, it’s And also for Besser, like he’s not the one that’s supposed to be back, right? So, I’m not going to blame him on not playing him tight enough or whatever. And frankly, like I’m I’m looking at he plays him pretty well. Yep. But Rand cuts to the inside. Besser moves his stick to the inside. Yeah. And then like it’s he doesn’t really create much separation. Like Besser gets his stick on rent and stick right after the release. Um it’s just it’s perfect. There’s nothing you can do there. So, Adam Foot, I’m not sure if you heard this, he actually called this the best Conucks game of the year and and wins or losses. And this is a game where we lost 4 to2 because he we outshot them 36-24. We out faced off them 61 to 39. Uh we scored on the power play, they didn’t. So, you look at those three first stats and we dominate them. Hits were equal. They had more block shots, whatever. But it’s just these these mistakes and take away the rant and goal. That was the insurance one. It was just unfortunate that we had those three mistakes by Mckan, Valander, and Hughes all in one play. And sometimes the the margins are so thin anyways, but Parker with the Conucks, they’re they’re razor thin. I think we’re seeing that they’re simply not talented enough. It’s it’s so much pressure to have to play a perfect game, but doesn’t it feel like they almost have to do so? Well, that’s the thing, right? when you are a team of Dallas’s caliber and you have a game like this one where you know maybe they maybe they played down a little bit or maybe the Conucks played up to them but you you know you have to beat the better team to beat the better team right if you play even to the better team that has more talent they’ll find a way more times than not right that’s just sort of the way it goes um and yeah you look at this game from an analytical perspective looking at natural stat trick if you’re looking at all situations the Canucks played really Well, right. 64% of the shot attempts, 62% of the scoring chances, 64% of the high danger chances, 61% of the expected goals, right? So, you look at this, you’re like, “Wow, they were better than Dallas in this game.” The other thing you have to keep in mind, though, is that Dallas took a ton of penalties, right? And that is where a ton of those analytics come from because if you just narrow this down to five on five, um, scoring chances were even, high danger chances were even, 8 to six in favor of Dallas, but close enough. um expected goals were 5347 in favor of Dallas. So in all situations and the problem the real problem is the goals were 4 to1 right at evens. Um but yeah like the you know at evens it was a very even game. The Conucks happen to get a ton of power plays and only cashed in on the one. Um and that’s really the story right and you knew there was going to be a penalty in the third against the Conucks. Um it happened to be on Okconor. I thought there might be more because usually they like to even things up when we uh when we’re talking about penalties in the NHL. So, you know, they had a minute and 20 second five on three in this game, right? That uh in the second period that they couldn’t capitalize on. Um you know, they had a lot of power play time and and just, you know, another power play goal and this is a different game. Yeah, you know, you’re right on there. And I know um I know we’re going to talk about Adam Foot a bit later, but he also said I’m really glad you laid out the stats because he did say that we had Dallas feeling uncomfortable, but that you kind of just explained that actually at five on five Dallas was the better team at least statistically. So slightly. Very slightly. Yeah. Yeah. I would call I would have called it even even. Sure. Which is good against Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then there there’s this thought, Parker, I’ve heard many people say it before that if you’re playing well but you’re losing games, that means it bodess well for the future. It means you’re turning things around and you’re going to be winning games. If it’s the opposite, if you’re playing poorly but winning games, that’s going to fall off and you’re going to start losing. So then you have when you get the 2023 PDO machine that the Gox had. And I say that, Parker, because I went to this game. It doesn’t matter if I went to that, but in watching this game, I was feeling pretty good about the Canucks hosting Calgary on last night. The only Pacific Division team worse than us. You know how much I don’t like the Flames. So, it set up to what I thought was going to be a really good night last night. Ah, jokes’s on me. Yeah. Yeah, it was a tough one. And this is one where like I’ll I’ll be honest, I turned this game off 10 minutes into the first. Yeah. It was it was a two-1 game um on a on a Sunday night. Um Heronic scored early. Um you know, a minute in a nice little twoon-one. Uh he chose not to pass to Evander Kane and he scored. Um which is great. Um but then yeah, Calgary scores two goals in 35 seconds. Um and I don’t know, I just kind of felt I just like had the feeling of like is this what I want to be doing for the next two hours is watching them try to come from behind. And it’s it’s very pessimistic. And you know, again, like you look at the shots in last night’s game, right? 31 to 21 in favor of the Canucks. You look at, you know, the you know, from that perspective, you you’d think, hey, the Canucks could have won this game, maybe if they had some better goalending, etc., etc. But I just I don’t know. I I I watched those first two goals from Calgary and I said, you know what, this just I just have other things I would rather do this evening, which again shouldn’t be happening to me, especially a month and a half into the season. Yeah. And it’s just lo it’s losing battles like that Zary one. I’m pretty sure that was the one where it went off Wanderer because uh Wanderer was trying to check um Yeah. was trying to was trying to check someone. Uh the first one, Frost, that was Anderson. Nice slap pass. That was after that was a nice tip. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then and then the the two in the in the second period drove me nuts, too. Like, every goal, no, it’s the Coleman one that drove me nuts. Everything drives me nuts anytime. Yeah. That that that Zary goal. And now that I look back and watch and I remember why I turned the game off, and it was exactly for the reason you said, right? It’s like, okay, it’s 2-1 in the first period. This game’s nowhere near over. And I knew that it was nowhere near over, but you watch how this play unfolds. They enter the zone two on three. It ends up really being three on five. They has to have all five back. Coleman throws it to the middle. It gets deflected and there’s three kucks closer to the puck than the Flames player. The Flames player actually works and reaches and gets a piece of it to disrupt the play and it goes off Lankenin. Again, there’s still three Kucks players pretty close to the puck here and Zary just burns everybody to it. He beats Rawatu to it. Yeah. And scores. And I I watched the goal and I’m just like there’s just no there’s just no effort on it. Like the one like in in the playoffs, you wouldn’t see a goal like that, right? Cuz one team’s playing the way that Zary did, the other team shouldn’t be. And yeah, I just saw that goal and I was like I just I just especially both in 35 seconds. Like this just isn’t isn’t the night for me. No, I appreciate that. And then so the third cowboy go that’s the one I was thinking about where Valander’s battling in front of the net and and Kevin Ball just puts it off of him. Yeah. But more circling, more dis more disorganized discombobulated movement. So do the Canucks play a zone on D? That’s why. Right. They don’t play man or at least if they play man it’s very bad. Yeah. So like like I watch this play here and I’m just watching Marcus Patterson. Yeah. Right. because the puck comes to the blue line on the the far side of the ice. Yeah. Um and it’s it’s second period, so this is the right side of the ice for the offensive team. And they play it down off the wing and Person chases his man up above the faceoff circle, realizes that he’s gone too high, picks up the guy driving the net, and ends up, you know, him and Willander him and Valander swap, which, you know, Valander does the right thing there. But now Person is trying to cover um yeah Kevin Ball and he’s just not close enough. Right. It is it is such a scrambly play in the Kuck zone here where they have three guys that are too high. Um you know Person goes to his man, Lenus Carlson gets completely lost here. Like he’s not covering anybody for this whole shift. Um like I’m seeing him sort of go up. He’s going to the same guy that Patterson goes to or Marcus Patterson I should say. So he backs off and says, “Oh, we can’t go for that guy.” And he ends up getting lost in this faceoff circle that no one’s in. And uh yeah, it’s just it’s just and it’s nothing against Lenus Carlson. It’s just messy all around. Like the whole the whole defensive structure here is just non-existent. Yeah, I see I’ve seen Quinn Hughes do that too. Chase, guys, like Chase unless they’ve given him the freedom to do so. But Parker, you know what I’m talking about. He’ll start like from below his face off dot. Next thing you know, he’s chasing a forward like at the blue line. That’s and the thing is that’s what I do when I’m in beer league and my team’s losing by like three in the third period because I’m like desperate to try to get something going. It’s the wrong thing to do and I’m very guilty of it. Um but if everyone sort of sits back and plays their position, you can create something and yeah, it’s just yeah, just messy. Fourth goal is Sharon Sharon Goish. some good uh hand eye coordination here. That’s the Yeah, this is uh again Calgary getting fully set up in the offensive zone. Um yeah, that’s that’s just a really nice goal. I’d like to see again if you have a guy who is freely standing setting a screen between the crease and the hash marks, that should be a really easy guy for Heronic here to be just beating up, right? Like I I look at this and when Ander the puck comes to Anderson at the point Ronic moves away, right? He’s he’s trying not to screen Lankan, but it’s he’s already given up the separation on Sharon Goic. He should be glued to Sharon Goic. He should be pushing him out of the crease away from the goalender, but he allows him to sort of post up right in the slot. And uh even though it’s a nice hand eyee play, if that puck had been a rebound that landed on the ice, he’s going to score anyways, right? like he’s just in a prime grade A position uh with a perfect, you know, just a black circle of Canucks around him and he’s allowed to just stand there in the middle of the ice. So now it’s 4-1. We’re like, “Okay, this isn’t looking good.” End of the second period. And then the shorty for Calgary drove me nuts, man. It drove me nuts. Yeah. I don’t know. I don’t know what this pass is from Besser. Was a touch pass. He was trying. Yeah. And he obviously didn’t get everything on it. It was uh Yeah, it’s just a bad read. Um because Coleman just sits the lane and and just Yeah, I’m watching this replay here. I guess not Coleman, it was Backland. But then yeah, just here like Patterson just gets beat by Blake Coleman. And Coleman fast. No. And he onehanded it right through Lank’s legs. I think a 33year-old Blake Coleman won that race to the puck. Um that’s concerning. Yeah. Yep. And we got to be the hungry team. We’re the We’re the team down 4-1 with a power play. Yeah. Now Quinn Hughes gets it back, but then you’re just net even, right? You’re not you’re not you haven’t closed the deficit. It was a nice goal, though. He starts He just said, “Forget it. I’m doing this.” And he just starts his own net. Yeah. Yeah. That’s that’s what he has to do there. Um cuz he’s the one who can do that. Yeah, you’re right. So yeah, mess couple just a mess of a game that one and again you look at the shots, oh 3121, they must have played really well, right? Did it feel like the Canucks played really well? No, no, no. And the analytics bear that as well, right? And again, in a game where the Canucks had 10 more shots than their opponent in all situations, Calgary had more expected goals, 3.73 to 3.02. Um, that five on five was a little closer to closer to even. Um but yeah, Calgary had 21 shots, 12 high danger chances to the Canucks 10. Um you know, it’s that’s it’s just not good. Yeah, this and this is the game. Yeah, because of what we said before we previewed or reviewed it is this is the you you absolutely have to win this. This is the one team below you and if you’re trying to pass five other teams or whatever to get to or four teams to get well five teams in the conference to get the playoffs and you can’t even beat the team that’s one of the three teams below you. It’s It was so frustrating, man. It was so frustrating. Yeah. I’m going to see if I can if I can show something. Sure. I’m going to see if this works. Uh I want to share this. This is the heat map from last night’s game at five on five. Wait, what am I looking at? Well, if you look at the Calgary logo, that’s when Calgary’s on offense. All of their attempts came from the crease. Basically, like that home plate area that we talk about. Yeah. They are that bright blue, this bright blue dot right here. They had a little bit up here, a little bit over here. No, all of it came from here. All of their chances. The Canucks more spread out a little bit in the home plate area, but lots from the point, lots from the outside in the faceoff circles. Calgary just owned the middle of the ice. That’s that’s why you can have nine or 10 fewer shots would be expected to score more goals. Okay. Gotcha. Well, green is it’s just d color density, right? So, the darker the color, the more shot attempts. So, in this case, dark blue for them and for us, dark red. Um, it’s kind of mis backwards colors for the two teams, but right, yeah, that dark blue blob in front of what would be the Canucks net is the problem. Oh my, this is that five on five. That’s only a five on five. We can look at all situations. It doesn’t get much better. They actually get another goal and the blob gets darker. Uh, and then this is probably Quinn Hughes right there. Oh, yeah. Cuz both Hughes and Hornick scored from Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my man, that’s uh that’s like my brain trying to figure out that looks like my brain trying to figure out what’s wrong with this team. So, you know, you know what a lot of I’m a lot of people were saying, Parker, after last night’s game. And I I can attest to this. I wasn’t there. You’d figure if you’re fed up with what’s going on that you’d be booing, right? You’d be booing after the the Coleman Gold. You’d be booing. But people are saying apathy is settling in because it was almost a a spirit of resignation. Ah, we lost again. And there wasn’t there wasn’t any booing. Yeah, there was any booing. I I think it’s it’s interesting because you look back the years where the Canucks were not good for nine 10 years in a row, right? And you know, the apathy definitely set in, right? the Willie Dejardan years and Travis Green years, things like that. Um, little bit of life because of the new up andcoming players, right? Person Hughes especially. Um, but and then you’d think, okay, the playoff run 109 points that would reset that. And I think it temporarily reset it, right? It gave it a from the the carrying meter. I guess I’ll go this way so it’s the right direction where the you know the slow drag down of 10 years essentially and the playoffs gave it a little bump right people care again and actually a lot of people cared a lot but it was a very temporary thing that when the team went right back to being bad people just sort of went okay well I guess that was a one-time thing right like I’m not going to get my hopes up we’ll see you in 10 years again um and that’s it sucks It does. And yeah. So you you didn’t watch after the first period, then you came back and were you surprised when you saw 52? Not really. No. Yeah. Yeah. That that’s that sucks. Yeah. Okay. So, we did a good job wrapping up recapping two games. I just want to um highlight Stephen’s message. Uh so Stephen, you may have uh just tuned in, which is totally fine. We actually made this exact same point that they have to go 17 games over 500 that and then we used the example. We we said 35 18 and six just to throw some extra. But yeah, you’re exactly right. We we talked about that we have to win two out of every three games and that just shows how um this was a this was the math I did where the Canucks needed to win. My calendar is still up, but they needed to win or they needed 75 points in the last 59 games. So yeah, 1.27 points per game. So yeah, 636 points percentage. So yeah, why do you have your round rounding set to like 30 digits, man? Uh, sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need that. You probably memorize pi. No, I’m just kidding. I know. Five digits maybe. That’s awesome. Okay, so did you did you see this Adam foot clip that it was talking about? I didn’t. I uh when I searched Kucks News and I to to get the thumbnail because I wanted to to get the Garland thumbnail um which I didn’t end up using because there was new Kucks News. I saw that one Swedish website that always has like the weird Person interviews that are always weirdly translated and problematic. Um so they had a post or they had an article that showed up there. Yeah. Um but now it’s not it doesn’t show up anymore. it’s been it’s disappeared. So, what everyone’s talking about is he was talking about um analytics and stuff and and and basically answering the question that the Canucks played poorly, but that’s what the media said, but he didn’t think the Canucks played that poorly. And what he said, Parker, he basically said, you know, um, uh, I’m not going to blow a kid up, meaning like go hard on one of his young guys just because, uh, some number is run by, uh, no offense, he says, but some Russian, uh, eating cashews and cigarettes in his basement, uh, spitting out numbers. Like that’s basically what he said. It was the weirdest analogy. And people were giggling and stuff. And he goes, I we have our guys who and we track we track the data ourselves. So he was trying to make the point that it’s easy for a media to say, oh, you know, five on five or, you know, expected goals or high danger chances. And he was basically trying to say that he’s not gonna, you know, go hard on his on his young players and and blow them up because of of the Russian guy eating cashews and smoking cigarettes in his basement. That that was the context of his clip. And that’s that’s a good that’s a great clip if your team is not losing every game they play seemingly. Yeah, because because Yeah, sure. the analytics look really bad for the Canucks, right? And this is this is what we talked about last week. We talked about um if you sort by five on five expected goals, right, which is a nice easy metric. No shots, no nothing like that. It’s just expected goals at five on five. Canucks are third worst in the NHL percentage wise. Um if you look and that’s based on natural static if you use money puck. So, we’re and the natural statric I’d say is probably the most, you know, commonly trusted publicly available one. Um, Money Puck I have some issues with with their projections, but I think their analytics are fine. Um, they have the Canucks second worst um at 43% uh whereas Natural Statrick has them at 44 and a.5%. Um, so both, you know, both sources here, uh, not looking very positively in the Canucks favor. And here’s a fun one. Let’s, let’s get the screen sharing going again. We’re I’m having fun with this. Yeah, we like sharing. Let’s share uh Don’t show this again, please. Let’s share this money puck graphic. So this graphic shows uh it plots expected goals against on one side, expected goals for on the other axis. Um and this is at five on five per 60 minutes. So there’s no there’s no messing around with like games played, things like that. Closer to the bottom right you are, the better because that is more expected goals and less expected goals against. Yeah. The closer to the top left you are, the worse. That is less expected goals, more expected goals against. And they put these fun little words on them like good when you have a lot of goals for not many goals against expected. Um you can be fun which means you score or you have a lot of expected goals for but also a lot of expected goals against. Right? So it’s just mayhem you know you’re there’s a ton of scoring both directions. There’s boring in the bottom left corner. Here’s Rick talks Philadelphia Flyers to prove that this is correct. Uh and Travis Green’s Ottawa Sanders. Is that funny? Yep. And then and that is your you know not creating anything but also not allowing anything against right so Ottawa is and you can draw an imaginary line from the bottom left corner to the top right corner right and that’s going to be your you know the if you’re on the right side of that you’re good um so Ottawa again boring but they have more chances four than against a five on five so they are a positive they’re in the positive they’re just boring boring, right? And then you look all the way up in the bad corner and that is teams that allow a lot of expected goals and aren’t producing any of their own. And you can see no team has more expected goals against per 60 minutes. No team is even close to the Vancouver Conucks. Like if you look at the if you use these lines as a 0.1 metric, right? There’s 0.1 between each horizontal line. The Conucks have a full line and a half, right? The next most expected goals is Anaheim at 307. The Conucks are at 3.26. So, the Canucks have 0.2 goals against more per game uh expected wise than the next worst defensive team. Wow. So, they are so far up here and they’re not producing, right? 2.45 expected goals, four per 60 minutes. So it’s almost it’s 08 goals per game in the negative at five on five which is just it’s just crazy. And if you go to all situations it’s about the same. They shift over a little bit. They have a little bit more offense expected. Um but again you look at the expected goals against and that gap has now grown. Right. But JLo D says at least we are closer to fun. Yeah. I’m I’m personally not having much fun. Uh, I would like to be over here where Colorado is. Look how much fun they’re probably having. They’re scoring more than everyone and they’re allowing less than everyone in all situations. And at five on five, you know, they’re they’re a little bit worse defensively, but like for a team to be this far over here, like that’s where the true contenders are. That’s where Vegas is, Tampa, Carolina. Um, you know, that’s that’s the corner you want to be in. Um, you know, even Washington’s on the positive side, right? Uh we are just so far and away behind everyone else. I just can’t get over how Taken and Green are right next to each other again. Yeah. Yeah. And it’s like great, we got rid of the boring part, but not by much. Right. By.3 goals per 60, but we are a full goal worse against. Unreal. Unreal. Um, one more question about Foot and then we’ll we’ll get to that that Freeman article and then we’ll wrap up with with the people. Um, what do you think of Foot’s media availability? Because I I actually up until a week ago, I really liked it because I I think he’s patient. I think he actually um is not afraid to explain and he doesn’t dumb it down to a point where he’s insulting your intelligence. I I just think he’s a stronger communicator than talk it. Talk it. We always joked about this. interrupt himself, would use analogies or or things that don’t make any sense. He would combine analogies. So, I actually like Adam, but now I’m realizing and a lot of people have said that he he’s doesn’t say anything negative about his team. And I get it. He wants to keep it within the room, but you you almost want a bit more honesty and transparency from him. But that’s my opinion. What do you think anytime you listen to Adam Foot talk? Yeah. I I honestly don’t really care. Wow. Like frankly, like I at this point, like I I I don’t really care what the coach has to say when the team’s performing this poorly because I feel like they need like for and and look, he’s way more accomplished than than I am. And I and I’m not saying that I have anything worth saying, right? I’m just looking at numbers and and you know, telling you what I think about them. Um, but I’m also telling you that as a as a pan as a fan, I just don’t really I just don’t really care about what the coach is saying when the team is looking like they’re going to be one of the worst five teams in the league. Right. You know, you can you can be a great communicator. That’s that’s fantastic. Right. I’m okay with that. I really like Travis Green, too. I I really like Bruce Budro. Um, I didn’t hate I I thought I would like talk less than I ended up liking it as a as a as a talker and as a person, right? But that’s not what the coach’s job is, right? It’s part of their job technically, but they’re not fired or hired based on their communication skills. It’s it’s based on performance and this team has or development or whatever metric this team is looking for. Um, but for a team that’s focus is on winning, there’s been none of that and that’s that’s all I really am worried about. Right. Right. Right. Okay, let’s go five minutes on uh that article that Freriedman it was actually a very short article. It’s only a couple hundred words and there’s Yeah, it’s it’s shattering in some ways. Like I mean shocking, but in other ways you got to remember how many of these guys have no movement clauses. But uh still the fact that they’ve openly said I don’t know what sources they were but I I’ve always said I trust Freriedman nationally I trustwall locally. Yep. And he’s what he basically the gist of it was what that they’re open to training veterans. Is that correct? Very very generous of you to call it a couple hundred words. Uh it’s 158 words. What? Um so we kept it very brief. Yeah. Um we can read the whole thing. I mean, the the sub the subtext under the unrelated video is as long as one of the six paragraphs, right? Um, here’s the whole thing. Uh, the title is, “Kucks listening to trade offers on quote veteran players. According to several sources, the Anchor Conucks have let it be known that in an effort to get younger, they are willing to listen to offers on veteran players.” The obvious question is, does this mean Quinn Hughes? I’m told the answer is no. at this time. They’ve made it clear uh that trading him is not their priority right now. One executive said Philip Heronic is another player that teams feel is unlikely to go anywhere. What it does appear to mean is potential UFAs and potentially a player or two with term, but the Conucks have also indicated they do not desire to tear it right down to the studs. This action is noteworthy because of Jim Rutherford’s track record. Historically, once he decides to act, he does not wait. His resume is full of moves consummated well before the trade deadline. Now he and GM Patrick Alvine want to know what could be available to them. And this comes a day after people like or a guy like Connor Garland being sort of swirling in the news. Uh coming fresh off of a 6×6 extension with a no move clause or maybe a 15 team no trade or whatever the the term is that doesn’t kick in until that extension. So he can be moved uh before then. Um, but I’m I’m looking at this as a if you are make if you are moving a guy like Garland, you are throwing in the towel on the season. Yeah. Yes. You hear Dollywal said it could be Garland for Kadri. I don’t think that doesn’t sound like getting younger. Yeah, it doesn’t. You get a center, but uh who knows? So, you know, a lot of these guys right now have full no move. Pey Besser, De Brusk up front and then Heronic, Marcus Pearson, Tyler Myers, they all have full no moves and then you’re right. So, and Vander Kane has got half a team, sorry, half a team, half the league approved or no approved approved trade list. Same team. Y you got it. And then you’re right. So, so aside from the UFAs that you can actually get something for, Sherwood, Bluger, and and Kane, then you’re Connor Garland is the one that sticks out because his no move doesn’t kick in until next next season. That’s a good point. That’s a really good point. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, like Yeah. Marcus Patterson feels like a good candidate after he hasn’t looked fantastic this year, but yeah, he’s full no move for the for this season and the next two. Um yeah, Tyler Myers full no move for this year. Next year that turns to a 12 team no trade. Um but again that’s not that doesn’t matter for right now unless he was willing to wave but I don’t get the feeling that he would be. Um and yeah it’s you know Kefir Sherwood is is your number one option but yeah it’s and I don’t think you’re getting anything for Kane for the most part. How often does an executive go to u a player and says, “Hey, I know you have a complete no move, but we have an opportunity here.” Is that considered disrespectful or does a player get it? And he can because all he has to say is, “No, I’m good. Thanks. I have that no move for a reason.” Yeah, I think it I think it happens fairly often. I don’t think it happens until a deal is pretty material. Um or like or it’s like the trade deadline, it’s obvious a team’s tearing it down, right? Um, and I think at that point, you know, it’s kind of a tricky spot for the player because they might have taken less money to lock in that no move and then they’re not getting to use it anyways. Um, or maybe it’s more like a JT Miller scenario where it’s, hey, you have a no move, we have this opportunity to to move you and obviously it seemed like he wanted to go anyways. Um, um, but that also gives them the power to pick where they go or at least have a say in where they go, right? Um, so I think it happens fairly often, right? Like if this team was really going to tear it down, yeah, they’d be crazy not to go to, you know, some of the like not to go to I guess Drew O’ Conor is a 12 team, so they would just ask ask his agent for his list. But yeah, um, you know, you you’d be crazy not to go to um some of those guys and at least ask, right? Yes. No, no, that’s a really good point. And then can you imagine if you can move Garland for assets? You can move um Sherwood because you’re not going to resign him. You get a little bit for Bluger, a little bit for Kane, and then you get five assets for Hughes. That that’s that’s nine or 10 assets, Parker. You You could act I’m not saying you should, but you could actually do it. Yeah, but then what? Yeah. Then you What sort of assets are we talking about? Are we talking about like Reclamation 21-year-old projects? Are we talking about guys with second line ceilings? Are we talking about draft picks that are, you know, who knows whether they’re going to hit or not? Yep. It’s, you know, it’s you can do it. Um, but it doesn’t always work, right? That’s the thing to keep in mind. Now, this is something they should have done 10 years ago and they didn’t. Um, and look, if this team’s just going to like, would you rather they be this for the next 5 years or really, you know, be bad for a couple and and try one of those, you know, maybe a bit more of an expedited rebuild, right? You try to get on the you try to get on the Anaheim or the San Jose path, right? Um, but, you know, you you run the risk there of becoming the Buffalo Sabres, right? you you run the risk of, you know, kind of being the Rangers where they had a couple good years and then they sort of fell off the map, right? Or you run the risk of, you know, I guess Nashville never really fully rebuilt. Um they’ve just sort of hung around that mediocrity um level, but yeah. Yeah. You know, I look at I look at a team like Ottawa, right, and they were slow to get to the point where they were, right? Because I remember two years ago, we sort of had Ottawa Vancouver on sort of that same that same upandcoming path. Yeah. Um, but Vancouver took the step that year, but then they have fallen out now. Ottawa has sort of moved up, right? Um, you know, I look at I look at Montreal as a as a young fun team um that did a rebuild, but again, that was years and years ago, right? It took a long time. Um, and that’s a hard thing to commit to as a general manager who probably doesn’t get that leash, right? Yes. um as a president of hockey operations who’s 80 years old or however old Jim Rutherford is. Um how old is Jim Rutherford? I’m guessing 78. That’s my guess. No 75. So 80 wasn’t offensive. 76. 76. 80 is not crazy. Um I round up. Um by the way, his name is His name is James Earl Rutherford, which makes sense, Jim. But doesn’t it sound like James Earl Jones? Like sound very dignified name, right? a little bit of a Darth Vader vibe to him. Maybe more of a I got to stop talking on that. Um, but yeah, like if you’re a 76-y old president of hockey operations, right, you don’t want to be going to a rebuild. That’s, you know, that’s No, exactly. That’s the rest of your career. You know, you you should be retired already. Yeah. Um, so yeah, it’s uh it’s really tricky, but if we get to the point where it is clear that Quinn Hughes will not be staying, then yeah, you tear it all down. Yeah. Last thing people say that if you’re going to do that, so you know how we open by saying throw $160 million offer at him, like keep them until July 1st. So at least you have that opportunity, but then you you lose the chance to do two trade deadlines, right? Imagine him going to a team, sorry, two two playoff um years if you do them this this trade deadline. you get so much more. You can say, “Hey, you get them for two playoff runs, not just and I and I’m not too worried about that.” Mostly because when you get to the trade deadline of this season, yeah, there’s nothing stopping you from going to Quinn’s agent and saying like, “Hey, be real with us. Should we be should we be trading him right now?” like is there is like if we come back to you next off season at 8 by7 is there any chance that you’ll even consider it and if they say probably not and you say great thank you for your time we’ve got some work to do uh and it’s a you know so I I think you don’t have to gamble it and be like well we hope he’s going to stick around so we’re going to wait till July 1st I think they should have a pretty good idea by then yeah they probably have a pretty good idea right now on November 24th I bet they have a better idea than we do. Yep. Yeah. No, for sure. Okay. All right. So, man, we we just talked about two games, the coach and the GM or the the management. And uh look where we are. We’re at 55 minutes in already. Pretty crazy. Yeah. Should we do Should we do a a November draft lottery simulation? If you want to pull it up, you want to pull it up. Is that too bleak? Let’s wait till Let’s wait one more week. At least next week’s show is December 1st, but right now they’re in third. Their odds might get worse. All right, fine. Fine. You can run it. You do whatever you want. I’m going to We’re going to run it. We’re going to run it. We’re going to see if we get Gavin Mac. Well, while uh Parker gets that ready, it takes two seconds. Ready. All right, everyone put in your questions. We’re going to ask uh we’re going to answer 10 minutes. Calgary. This is Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it until we do it. Doesn’t count. Yeah, we got seven. H Okay, one more. One more. If we get two out of three, then we know it’s for real. No, Buffalo. that we know that can’t happen. It’s as likely as us winning it. So, we got one out of three. Other protected pick. Yeah. If Calgary gets McKenna, though, I’m going to be miserable. That’s right, Chris. It only took two tries for first. There we go. Very good. In November, we were hoping it would take more. I’m so glad Franchesco listened to Trevor and did a full rebuild in 2014. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Maybe that would have been a good idea. Uh, last night was rough, fang girl. Being in the audience, I get, you know, I wasn’t completely embarrassed. I was more I don’t know. I I actually didn’t use the word embarrassing, but I’ll give it a four or five embarrassing. Yeah, it was embarrassing enough where Parker didn’t want to watch the end. That’s fair. Yeah. Here’s one for you. Is it fair to say that a Vander Kane experiment has been horrendous? I feel he takes really bad penalties and hurts the team more. It hasn’t been good. Um, and we could have guessed that, I think. Um, now I’m going to do I’m going to do a little stat here. Sure. Um, now you say that you think um he’s been taking really bad penalties. It hurts the team more. Um, here’s a fun stat that we can look at. Py differential. Yeah. So, penalties uh penalty minutes taken versus penalty minutes drawn. Mhm. Uh the worst player tied for the worst player in the NHL with a penalty minute differential of 20 because they have 25 penalty minutes taken and five penalty minutes drawn, which to me sounds like one fight and then 10 minor penalties taken to zero drawn. Sure. And that would be Marcus Patterson. Oh my gosh. Um there’s three players up there at 20. Yeah. I’m going to let me just controlf Evander Kane. Evander Kane has taken 26 penalty minutes and he’s drawn 22 minutes worth of penalties. He’s actually drawn more penalties than most like he’s 21st or 20th in the league in penalty minutes drawn. Unfortunately, he’s also taken a lot of penalties as well. Um so just from that metric and I know it’s not perfect because he’ll take offensive zone penalties and those hurt. I don’t think he’s drawing many in the Dzone. Um, but from a pure penalty minute perspective, that has not been uh a huge issue. Um, however, I have just not enjoyed watching Evander Kane. I look at more of the giveaways. He can’t receive a pass. He can’t make a pass sometimes. Can’t score. More luck than anything, but and he did take a bonehead um unfortunately like penalty yesterday after Calgary scored. So, could have been two goals. Yes. All right. Dererick’s asking, “If you were a president, if you’re the Po, what changes would you make?” Oh, man. Where do I start? I I don’t know. I I think, you know, you got to get that practice facility going. That’s We got to get that narrative back. Um I don’t I don’t know. Look, it’s it’s really tricky. Uh obviously, because you know, there’s relationships, there’s all this stuff. Um but I feel like whatever I would do, I would commit to it. My goal would be to not end up in the mushy middle. um to not be the you know finish 20th in the league every year. Um it would be to do something to make this team a contender soon which they tried and did a very good job at for one year um and then have failed since or it would be to tear it all down to the studs. Um, but I I just don’t think you can do the well, yeah, we’re going to have to trade Quinn Hughes and we’ll sort of tear it down, but we’re going to keep Person and Besser and Demco, the you know, the 2018 core and um, you know, it’s just it just doesn’t really work that way. Um, that’s my fear. That’s fair. That’s fair. Question for you. Um, if we did trade Quinn, um, are we looking at four or five assets? Like a couple roster players, uh, a couple prospects and or one prospect and two draft picks. So, is that kind of what we’re looking like? I guess it depends how good the players are coming back, too. But, we’re looking at four assets, right? Four or five assets. Well, you’re talking about the second best defenseman in the league. Yeah. Right. Um, it would have to be a ton. Yeah. Like it’s it’s multiple mult it’s it’s at least three firsts. I’d have to guess. Is that enough for you? Neich Hamilton. Is this Douggee Hamilton we’re talking about? Yeah, I would take Neich. Um, would I take Dawson Mercer instead? I don’t know. Give me another young guy. Yeah. I mean, Neich is good. Um, you know, he projects to maybe be, you know, a number two, maybe a number one. You know, he’s still really young, right? He could I guess he was second overall three years ago. Like he could be a number one defenseman. Um probably projects that um and maybe he’s you know the 20th best defenseman in the league. Let’s say let’s let’s be kind of optimistic. Um you know it takes a lot to get from 20 to two. Um three firsts, you know, help a lot. Yeah. It it’s really tricky because again like in theory, you know, where do those firsts end up, right? Are are we talking about 26th overall three years in a row, right? That doesn’t get me very excited. Sure, you can use it as ammunition to trade up. Yeah. Um but yeah, it’s it’s really it’s it’s so tough to value something like that because you know the the common sentiment is you know the whoever gets the best player in the trade usually wins the trade, right? Um because everyone else is usually easy to replace, right? So I don’t know. It’s one of the because again that trade and it’s three first. Okay, let’s assume it’s the it’s their 2026, 2027, and 2028 firsts. Y okay, so we’re not even getting the full Quinn Hughes payoff until that the player we draft in 2028 when he steps on the ice for the first time in 2030, 2031, right? Like it’s so far out that, you know, it’s such a delayed return that even though it might end up working out, it’s it’s painful. Sure. Sure. Thank you, Jay, for proclaiming your loyalty for the past three months. We appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so here’s one. Um, I found I was gonna ask you, where is it right now? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don’t think Demco’s career is done. In fact, he’s going on this trip. Um, so they swapped Tolipil and Peter. They said Toilio is emergency conditions. I don’t understand what emergency conditions are when it comes to goalenders. Do you? Not particularly. Yeah. But apparently Demco is going on this trip. Bluger is a trip time decision tomorrow. Hedo obviously not. And then they were going to bring Hoglander on this trip. They said foot said, but then they they’re going to keep him keep him back for when they get back. And that that will basically be the 10 to 11 week mark as they originally predicted. But interesting to hear that Demco’s going. So maybe that two to three weeks that Sarah Valley um predicted was true because if he’s going to be practicing with the team, I guess that’s why you go, right? Otherwise, why would you go? You’d think so. Um, yeah. I I don’t think Demco’s done, but I I think it’s just like, is he ever going to play 55 games in a season? Yeah, probably not. Um, right. You know, you look back at when Brutder played like 70 games or whatever. Well, like how many games did Mika Kipper play that one year, crazy, right? You know, you look like Yeah, Mika Kippers played for six consecutive season, seven consecutive seasons, he played more than 70 games. That’s crazy, right? He played he basically had seven full years in the NHL. Um, and he played I guess well I guess he had a 38 game season before that uh before the lockout. Came back after the lockout. 7474 76 76 73 71 70 games played. Wow. Right. The lawn, you know, Demco’s never going to play more than probably 50 52 in a season it feels like going forward. And that’s, you know, that’s just a tough place to be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. It’s 11:02. Let’s do one last one. I’m just trying to Here’s a good question. Do you think the culture died in the room when the CDs retired? I don’t know. I I struggle with the culture thing. You know, it was a big talking point in, you know, the late 2010s. Yeah. I want to say. Um I I’m just you know I I don’t think culture really like it matters but it’s not making that level of impact right maybe it is in New York. Um but like you know I I don’t think the culture is particularly bad probably around the Canucks. I you know it’s maybe different. It’s probably not to the level it was with the Sedines but I don’t think it’s like going to be the worst dressing room in the NHL and that’s why they’re losing so many games. I think they’re just not a very good hockey team. Yeah. Yeah. That’s fair. That’s fair. Okay. Are we going to make it to next week? I think we will. Right. Three. The three California games. Is that what we’re looking at? That’s Those are the three. Yep. Wednesday, Friday, Saturday. Um Friday at 1. So, make sure you got your calendars checked off for that on Black Friday. Oh, yeah. That’s right. Okay. So, what’s your prediction? One and two. They beat the Sharks. We got to beat the Sharks. I’m boring. One one and one. That would be disappointing, too. It doesn’t get us any closer to 500, but nope. Gets us farther even, I would say, because you got you got to make the trek at some point. You got it. All right, folks. Well, if you enjoyed this very fun, upbeat show, make sure you hit the uh hit the like button and subscribe. If you missed any part of it, you want to go back for some reason, you can rewind back to the beginning here or you can find it on your favorite podcast platform in a matter of 10 to 15 minutes. Clay, any parting words for this Monday? Uh, thank you Parker again for I I enjoy despite the woes of the team, I enjoy breaking them down, exploring them with you. And uh, yeah, thanks to everyone. I I know we we like to talk a lot. We only spent a few minutes on your questions, but we appreciate all the chat, the loyalty, and you guys answering each other’s questions. You still want to get your voice heard. I’ll be doing a show in 10 minutes. Uh, not begrudgingly, I want to do a show. I want to hear your voice as well. So, if you still want some more Conucks Talk, come join me. But otherwise, Parker, uh, thank you for another good show. And, uh, um, yeah, I I’m feeling it. I’m feeling it. We’ll see what we’re talking about, what type of record we’re talking about because it’ll be post American Thanksgiving. We can pull out all the stats we want next week. Yeah. Hey, they just win all three games and they’re and everyone else loses all three games. I don’t know if that’s I don’t know if that’s feasible. Yeah. They’re right back in it. Yes. Or they lose all three and we’re it’s a Gavin McKenna show next week. Ready? All right. All right, folks. Thank you all for joining. Have a good night and we will see you next time. [Music]

ParkersPucks and Canuck Clay discuss the Vancouver Canucks news of them being open to trading away veteran players in an effort to get younger, as the team sits in 30th place in the NHL.

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