Will Cal Raleigh Make It to COOPERSTOWN?! + More Seattle Mariners Questions | Mailbag Monday

Will Cal Raleigh Make It to COOPERSTOWN?! + More Seattle Mariners Questions | Mailbag Monday

Cal Raleigh just had one of the best catcher seasons ever, but what more does he have to do in order to get himself into Coopertown one day? We answer that and more here on Mailbag Monday. Colobby, hit it. You are Locked on Mariners, your daily Seattle Mariners podcast, part of the Locked On podcast network. Your team every day. Ahoy sailor. It is Monday, December 1st, 2025. You’re listening to the Lockdown Maris podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. My name is Titan Gonzalez and I’m joined as always by Mako’s Kobby Patnode. We’re two lifelong Marers fans who’ve been covering the team for over half a decade. And on today’s show, we’re going to open up the mailbag like we do here every single Monday and answer some of your Mariners questions. Before we do, though, I want to shout out our title sponsor today, Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, and use the promo code locked on MLB. That’s OC KD O N MLB for $20 off your first purchase. All right, kicking us off here on Mailbag Monday is Henry, who has a banger of a question here. Cal Raleigh is sitting at 18.8 BW and 22.9 FW through his first five seasons. If he were to post that same value for the next 5 years, what do you think of his Hall of Fame case? side question. How much more would he need to post to be in the goat catcher conversation? All right, so let’s start with the uh first part of your question. So, um it’s very interesting because I don’t really know how much war actually factors into this conversation, how much it matters for this conversation because there are 18 catchers in the Hall of Fame right now. It’s a very exclusive club, but if we’re going off of war, whether it’s BR or FR, those are not the 18 most valuable catchers in baseball in the history of the game. Uh the F4 average of the 18 guys in the Hall of Fame right now is 53 flat. Uh the B average of the 18 guys in the Hall of Fame is 50.2. Uh now there are some guys that have recently been uh left off uh the ballot after their first year even that maybe they didn’t get to at least one of those averages, but they definitely have exceeded some of the guys that are in the hall right now. Uh like Russell Martin, he fell off the ballot after his first year despite putting up 54 and a half F4. That’s more than Joe Mau. That’s one full win more than Joe Mau. Uh he though, you know, only put up 38.6 B. So pretty significant disparity there and he’s about 12 wins off of the, you know, BR average. Uh Brian McCann, another big disparity here, but he put up 52.1 F4. Uh only 31.6 B though, but he fell off the the ballot after one year. Jason Kendall fell off the ballot after one year despite putting up 41.7 B and 36 12 F4. Cory Pada fell off after one year with 42.7 Bour and 40.9 uh F4. Um all four of those guys at the very least exceeded, you know, a couple of guys that are currently in the Hall of Fame uh right now. Uh, so I think just kind of going off of that, I think it would be safe to say that like if Cal wants to get in, if he, you know, wants to feel semisafe in getting in, he probably needs to get it to about 50 in both in both P war and and F war. Um, couple guys that that we should keep an eye on though in that regard specifically, Buster Posey and Yadier Molina. kind of feels like those are the two modern Hall of Famers, future Hall of Famers. Um, Posey posted a 57.9 F4 in his career, 45 flat BR, and uh, Molina posted a 55.6 F4 and a 41.7 B uh, in his career. So, those are the two guys that I would be looking at specifically as far as Cal goes, especially if he’s not going to get to 50 in both F4 and B, which seems very likely uh especially considering, you know, your uh the premise of your question here, like if he does what he’s done over the last 5 years for the next 5 years. So, 18.8 uh BR over, you know, or time 2 would be 37.6 6 22.9 F4 * 2 uh would be uh 45.8. Uh so that’s like on the cusp, but again I just I’m not really sure how much war matters. And also it’s just kind of a different era where we kind of have to grade especially catching on a curve. Um because you know more and more guys are you know more and more catchers are not catching later on in their careers. Like they’re switching positions. they’re going to full-time DH roles and, you know, playing first base more. So, like, how much does that also factor into into the conversation? And then obviously with Cal, there’s there’s, you know, accolades. There’s an aura to Cal that just like some of the other guys that we mentioned just didn’t have in their careers. So, how much does that all matter? So, yeah. Again, I just I’m not really sure how much war matters here, but if we’re just strictly going off of that, I think he has to at least break 50 in one of them. Uh I think you know kind of the the hidden you know uh disingenuous part of the question not that it was intended this way is just that you’re counting Cal’s debut year in this uh discussion and he was a below replacement level player in both of the in that year by you know by both metrics uh he was minus.5 in in BAR for example uh and obviously that you know greatly you know affects the the overall value. So, it’s one of those things where it’s like, okay, if we look at what he’s done the last four years since he’s been a full-time player, it’s pretty much been a walking four four- win player and then he had this, you know, nine win season uh with, you know, F and I believe it was seven and a half with B. So, it’s kind of like, hey, how about if the next five years look like the last four years? And I know that’s not easy math, but uh then obviously that that changes the formula a little bit when you look at who’s in the Hall of Fame, who’s not. Like I said, there’s 18 guys in there. Uh the top 11 BR uh catchers of all time are all in the Hall of Fame and they all have above 50. So if you get to above 50 in B, you feel pretty good. Uh and if you’re above 50 in B, you’re probably going to be 50 above 50 in FR because uh very clearly when you look at the discrepancy here in the wars, uh Vangs places more value on the catcher defense than uh baseball reference does. And this is why war is kind of a tough, you know, it’s a tough thing to figure, especially on catchers because so much of their value is defensive. And as much as we can go back and assign, you know, value to Johnny Bench back in the day, we just didn’t have the defensive metrics that we do now. And and we weren’t grading them. So, we’re really guessing a lot on the defensive side of those things. And I think when you look at Cal and and you kind of as we get smarter, I think that if he is around 45, he’ll probably get in eventually because one thing we have to remember is narratives also matter. And Cal Raleigh has a platinum glove. Cal Raleigh set the major league record for home runs by a catcher. He set the major league record for home runs by a switch hitter. He hit more home runs than King Griffy Jr. He’s one of currently only what eight players to hit 60 home runs in a season. and he did it as a catcher. I think those things are going to carry some real weight with the voters when we get there. Now, we’re at least, you know, 10 years away from Cal being on the ballot because it’s 5 years after you retire and Cal’s not going to retire anytime soon. So there’s a long way to go and maybe those things get overlooked. But I think if Cal is just a, you know, has another three years of a five win player just consistently and then he maybe drops back to a three- win player because he catches a little bit less, he’s going to put himself in that conversation as for whether or not he’ll get in. I don’t know because again, it’s really tough to know how War is going to is going to grade out here and and but there are some narrative things that help his his case. The 60 home runs helps. the platinum glove helps, the winning the home run derby helps. Like all these things are part of a narrative you can build at the end of his career uh that gets him there. And then obviously a big part of that too is like yeah and he was, you know, a great offensive catcher and he caught a lot of innings early in his career. So how long could his career have been if he was a first baseman, etc., etc. Like so there’s going to be a lot of narrative things that help him uh in this conversation. But yeah, it feels like he has to get to 50 in BAR for me to have a really good shot uh of getting in. Um and then we’ll see how much the narrative really, you know, hammers his home. And and one thing to remember here uh is that there are different Hall of Fame cases. There are peak Hall of Fame cases. There are consistent hall of fame cases like Craig Beio just consistently good for 15 years, you know, whereas a guy like Sandy Kofax was elite for six years and and that was pretty much his entire career and he gets in just because he was so dominant over a certain stretch and and so Cal kind of has an opportunity to do both or at least one of those things where he could be an elite player for six year stretch uh or he could just be like a really good consistent catcher who hits a ton of home runs. That’s the other thing too when you look at like the Russell Martins and the Jorge Patadas like yeah they were really good players obviously and they probably deserve more Hall of Fame clout than they got but Cal makes headlines because Cal hits homers and home runs are always a carry of the day for offensive players and you know right now if Cal hits 30 home runs next year he’s going to be in the top 30 all time in catcher home runs. So uh you know that is going to be a big driving point for him. So, if he can win another gold glove or or, you know, if he can make, you know, three or four all-star teams and and have a couple like if he has a couple more 40 home run seasons, I think the narrative is going to drive a big part of his his value. Uh, and then we’ll see where he ends up on the warfront. Now, as far as the um the GOAT conversation goes, I don’t think there’s much of a conversation to be had there really with Cal like especially because he started his career so like he he began his major league career at what 25 years old. Yeah, I think just because of like time really, he’s not going to be able to unless you know he continues to be an MVP candidate for the next he has four consecutive eight win seasons, then maybe he’s in the conversation. Sure. Uh yeah, Johnny Bench has the record for catchers on baseball reference and be war it’s about 75 and a half I believe. Yeah. Uh so obviously Cal, you know, needs 60 wins uh to get there. And let’s say he has 10 years left in the league. Uh that’s, you know, six wins a year is is uh quite a lot for a guy who’s just going to eventually his body is going to break down from just the sheer volume of of the wear and tear and the grind like it does for all catchers. So, I would say it’s very unlikely uh based on strictly on war, it’s very unlikely that Cal could get into that conversation. Um, but is there a path where Cal we could be talking about Cal as a top 10, 15 catcher of all time? Yeah, there is. Oh yeah. I I just like could Cal get to a point where we can actually make the argument against Johnny Bench regardless of war just you know talking about eras and you know how much more is demanded of guys in today’s game and all that. Could he get to that point? I don’t know cuz like that would that would require him to clearly surpass like Buster Posey guys like that. And I don’t know if Cal will ever get there right. It it kind of depends on who you look at as his contemporaries. Um, you know, Posey pretty solidly the era before, but they tend to get lumped together. Certainly more uh a contemporary than Johnny Bench uh or or you know, whoever else might be in consideration for that, but I think it’s very unlikely he can get there. Uh the by the way, the major league record for home runs by a catcher is is Mike Piaza at 412, I think. Uh, so Cal’s at um I want to say 150ish. Uh, so if Cal plays 10 more years and he averages 27 home runs a year, then he’ll probably be the all-time home run champion. Uh, but that that’s a lot of work to do for a guy who’s already, you know, approaching 30 and has a lot of mileage on him. So, we’ll see if he can get there or not. But I think it’s very unlikely he actually does get to the the top of that. But could he be one of those players who, you know, 20 years from now, maybe 30 years from now, we’re looking around going like, you know who was really good? Cal Raleigh. Like that guy was was something else. And he’s in the discussion. He’s he’s, you know, but I don’t think he’s actually going to get to the top of that uh top of that uh conversation. Yeah. Again, I just looked it up. He made his debut at 24 years old. Obviously, that year was also a wash. So really, he didn’t start being the, you know, the Cal Raleigh that we know and love until about 25, 26 years old. I just don’t think there’s enough time. If he does anything close to this again next year, I think that changes the narrative quite a bit because now it would be two years of like one of the best offensive and at that point it’s not just a one-off thing. It’s like is this guy in the conversation for the best offensive catcher of all time? Yeah. But is he going to do anything close to this again next year? Probably not. It’s hard to see, but also it was it was hard to see him breaking Mickey Manel’s record and it was hard to see him breaking Griffy’s record. It was hard to see him getting to 60. So, who knows? But with like the World Baseball Classic also coming up, like he’s going to even have more wear and tear just going into next season. Uh there’s a there’s a lot stacked against Cal, but we’ll see if he can overcome it all. I mean, I doubted Cal Cal’s ability to get to, you know, certain thresholds over the course of this year, and he exceeded my expectations in pretty much every single regard. So, I I’ve learned not to doubt Cal Raleigh. All right, we will answer more of your questions here in just a moment, but first, a reminder, this episode of the Lock Errors podcast is brought to you by FanDuel and Doer. NFL Sundays move fast. One big play and suddenly everything feels different. That’s what makes live betting with FanDuel so exciting. 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Looking for some dark horse deep cut prospects. Thanks. I’ll give you one that I think is at least dark horse adjacent. Uh Griffin Hugus, you guys remember him?” Yep. Uh he was the third round pick and everybody was kind of like, “Uh, who is this guy?” But there are some Bryce Millerishness to his uh profile. Uh and yeah, he’s a third round pick. The Mariners clearly think he can start. There’s a question about whether or not he just hops into the bullpen and moves pretty quick. Uh but Griffin Hugus is a guy that I’d like to see start. And I think there’s a pretty decent chance he starts the year in uh in Everett. He might be uh Kate Anderson’s teammate in Everett, but maybe Modesto. It’s really not that huge of a deal. Uh, and then I guess the other guy I would keep an eye on, um, well, two guys. They both happened to pitch in the state of Arizona last year and they were both draft picks, uh, of the Mariners. Uh, which one do you want, Ty? I assume you’re going to take one of these two guys. I’m actually not. So, you can take either one. All right. Henson and Kelly. Uh, the the two relievers from Arizona and Arizona State, respectively. Uh Kelly much more of a like high upside reliever who could move very very quickly. He’s throws 98 to 100 from a low arm slot. Pretty good slider. He’s really interested. And then hence is a guy who very Paul Sewaldy. I don’t remember which round he was drafted in. Kelly I believe was a sixth rounder. Uh uh yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then Hence was like a 12th rounder or 13th round. 13th round. Yeah. But both of those guys could move pretty quick. Uh, so you want to see how they look. But to me, like the Darkhor, assuming we’re not talking about the Nikki Beckers or the Johar Bautistas, like board type of guys, uh, Griffin Hugus is a guy I’m kind of, you know, very intrigued by based on what we learned about him after the draft. Yeah, I’ll go with um, another 2025 drafty. I’m going to go with Corbin Dickerson. Uh, the fifth round pick out of Indiana, outfielder. uh high bat speed, post extreme exit velocities. We’re going to see some impressive nukes hit by Dickerson. We’re also going to see uh some web gems, I think, posted by Maris Miners. But the the thing to really watch out for there is like, can he actually hit with consistency? Can he actually pick up spin? Can he, you know, can he just actually find success against advanced pitching, right? Uh despite the high bat speed, he’s had some issues catching up to VO. So, can he actually do that uh in the miners? We’ll see if the mayors implement some tweaks here uh with him, but uh he’s he’s a fun tools up dude. So, like he’s definitely going to be on the highlight reel. Next question here from Transactional Healing. What’s a realistic stat line and comp for Cole Young in year two, assuming he wins the strong side platoon at second base? I don’t know, 245, 320, 400. Yeah, I think Cole’s going to have to hit for some average if he wants the on base to be above average. So, I think, you know, 250, 260, right around that 320 range and then hopefully around the, you know, the 400 slug mark. Um, yeah, it’s I I think he could like he could be a guy who hits 280. He could be a guy who posts 350 on base. He could slug a little. I don’t think he’s ever going to be like a 450 slug guy, but um yeah, like to me, Cole Young is eventually going to be a really solid 3-in player because he’s going to hit, he’s going to make enough contact, he’s good enough hitter, he’s going to put the ball in play a lot and, you know, mostly find a lot of base hits. He’s going to hit some doubles. He’s going to draw his walks. He’s going to play solid defense. I think he’s ultimately a pretty safe bet to be a three- win player for a lot of years, but I don’t think there’s a ton of upside here. So, we’ll see what it what it looks like. But in 2025 in his first well second crack at big league uh regular playing time in this scenario, I think if he hits 250, I think if he, you know, post a league average or better on base and if he slugs right around 400, I think you take that and that’s a pretty good player. Hopefully the defense is better than it was last year. There’s really no reason to believe it won’t be. Uh it’s just last year he was just playing second base for a majority of the time for the first time of his career. And also the arm was just dreadful. was awful, which is not something that was ever a part of his profile. So, uh I think just naturally with more reps, he’ll be a better defensive second baseman. Uh and I think if he does that, if he’s an average second baseman defensively, if he hits 250, 320, you know, 380 to 400 with the slug, then I think he’s probably a two two and a half win player next year and it’s a good season to build on. All right, next question here from Aiden. There’s been a lot of talk about how a potential 2027 lockout might affect this year’s free agency market if some players who might typically get two to threeyear offers are only getting one-year offers. Is that a market you could see the Mars being active in? I think you’ve talked a little bit about it in regards to Gino and was wondering how likely you think that scenario is and what you think of other potential free agent ads in that mold. So, it’s kind of the Kevin Mather free agents, you know, coming to the mirrors with hat and hand type of thing. Yeah. That’s kind of I think that’s kind of what you’re what you’re talking about here with the Mars trying to take advantage of that. Maybe I think it really I think it’s specific for certain free agents cuz I mean like Pete Alonzo was a guy that maybe you could have talked to about a one-year deal last year and they didn’t even explore that. So I don’t know. Um, but like Gino, like if if his market crashes to the point of him just having to entertain one-year deals, then yeah, I could see the Mars circling back on that, depending on what else they do between now. Like, I would think that that Gino scenario would probably happen in February or March. So, the Mars have probably done more heavy lifting by that point, or at least they’ve tried and maybe they’ve swung and missed on some things. Um, but yeah, I could see that happening. But like in general, I don’t know cuz again like there have been other times where it’s made sense for them to go do that. Matt Chapman is another example of that and they’ve just they haven’t even explored it really. Yeah. Uh Marcus Simeon a few years ago uh was an opportunity to do that. Yeah. Uh before you sign with Toronto, right? There are some some guys that make sense. none more than Gino just because of the position he plays and your familiarity with him. It’s really tough to say how the lockout looming lockout will affect free agents because you know I guess you could easily say well there’s a salary cap or whatever then players want to get their contracts now so they get grandfathered in. Uh, but teams are also going to want to see how that looks. And so they might not be as willing to give, you know, multi-year contracts to some of these guys, but players might also look at and be like, well, if there’s going to be a salary cap, then there’s definitely going to be a salary floor. That’s the only way we would allow a salary cap. So, uh, when teams are forced to spend more, I could actually make more by getting out on the free agent market next year. But obviously there’s a lockout then that means you’re not going to know where you’re going to play until you know for some players March maybe April even depending on how long the lockout goes. So the lockout really is a great X factor here and I just don’t think we right now have any ability to predict how that’s going to impact the free agent market. Um if it does impact the free agent market in a way where good players are suddenly looking for short-term deals. Could the Mariners take advantage of that? I mean, they should try to. Uh, it’s just Are there a lot of players where that makes sense? Not really. Not outside of Gino. Like the Kyle Tuckers, they’re going to sign their eight-year deals. The Bob Bashettes are going to sign their eight-year deals. They’re they’re not going to fall there. It’s It’s the guys who are looking at two or three year deals or four-year deals who might be willing to take a one-year deal. Um, and it’s usually guys who are coming off of a season that wasn’t incredible, but wasn’t bad. And I think like the guy who kind of comes to mind right away is a Zack Gallon type. Well, you already have your five starters and you maybe if you trade Luis, maybe Gallon makes some sense, but even then, so it’s just kind of one of those things where I think Gino is the guy that fits the mold that you’re talking about here and his familiarity with Seattle and all that definitely gives him an an advantage if it does fall that way. But other than him, I don’t really see a ton of options like that out there on the free agent market this year that makes sense for Seattle and where their roster is currently at. And I just can’t pretend to to know how the the lockout is going to affect these guys because basically any argument you could say as to why players might be willing to take a shorter deal because of the lockout, I could easily counter it with why they might just be willing to, you know, take the chance that they’re not going to get salary cap. Yeah, if if Kyle Tucker signs an eight-year deal and then next year there’s a salary cap, it’s not going to affect Kyle Tucker at all. He’s going to get his money one way or another. So, uh yeah, I I just it’s too muddy for me to predict how this will affect some players. But Gino really is the ideal like, hey, I wanted three years. Not really getting it from somebody. Do I maybe take a one-year deal because you’re familiar with him because he plays a position you need. Like if Alex if it happens to Alex Bregman again, yeah, the Mariners should be all over that. But I really doubt it’s going to. Yeah. As far as Gino goes, it’s like I’ve said in the past, like third base sucks around the league and as soon as Alex Bregman flies off the market or as soon as teams realize like, hey, we’re not getting Bregman, all eyes are going to be on Gino. I just have a very hard time seeing Gino’s market crash even with how bad he was in those final two months of the season just because of the state of third base around the league. Yeah. So, I don’t think that’s super realistic that that’s going to happen that Gino is just going to get to a point where he’s still unsigned, you know, at a at a point in in free agency where it makes sense for him to take a one-year deal where it makes sense for the Mars to circle back on him. But we’ll see, right? And again, to be fair, like nobody would have predicted that happening to Pete Alonzo or Alex Bregman or Matt Chapman, you know, uh when those happened to them and and we didn’t really get to that point until J middle of January before like, oh, maybe these guys are willing to take shorter term deals. So maybe somebody like that will pop, but it’s just tough to predict right now. 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Aaron wants to know, “Following up on Wednesday’s discussion on the good and the bad of trading our rotation arms, can you talk about the benefits and disadvantages of extending them? How many years in AAV would you give them?” So, obviously Luis is out like we’re not Yeah. not open to extending Louis. Do you remember back when the Phillies had their super rotation in the early 2010s and it was like the four aces and Joe for Joe Blandon? Like Luis is Joe Blandon in this scenario. No disrespect to Luis, but like whenever we get questions about the future of the Marriage rotation, assume that Luis is not involved in that conversation unfortunately. Yeah. Uh so of the four guys, I mean obviously Logan Gilbert should be the the priority uh because he’s closest to free agency. So yeah, uh we’ve talked about this. I think the Logan Web uh, you know, comp is is a good one to build off. That was five and 90, right? And so I think around five and a 100 is is probably a pretty good place to start. Uh, with with Logan, I would do that. Um, you know, obviously you’d have to do quite a extensive look at the elbow and and all that to see where it’s at. Understanding that you’re probably going to miss he’s probably going to miss significant time at some point with an elbow injury as most most pitchers are. But, you know, the best sign of a future elbow injury is is a current elbow injury and and Logan’s kind of pitching through that. So, assume that you’re going to miss a year of that with with uh Tommy John. And maybe there’s a, you know, a six-year option that’s very favorable to Logan, but it only activates if he doesn’t miss more than, you know, 150 games with Yeah, there might be incentives based on innings pitched, which they did with Felix uh back in when he signed his second extension. So yeah, keep an eye on that. I think five and 100 is about right with Logan. Uh I think next up is probably Brian Woo over even Kirby, even though he has another year of club control. Uh I think Woo is a guy that because of his injury history might be more willing to take a teamfriendly deal uh in regard. Now you get four years of Woo and you can kind of do the math on the ARB and assuming that he makes you know what four to five million next year in ARB one he makes let’s say 10 like Logan’s making this year in ARB 2 and then the next year he makes let’s just 15 for easy math. Uh that means over the next four years uh you know he’s going to end up making 30 uh $32 million. I think he got a a bonus this year of about 2 million. Yeah, he was he was in that um that that bracket or whatever you know the thing that that they put in the prearb like if you finish top five in a young voting or whatever and you’re prearb you get a bonus and he got one of the bigger bonuses I think it was about two million bucks so over the next four years he’s going to make about $32 million and then you kind of go okay what’s a free agent year Brian Woo like when you look at his track record in the year he’s coming off of he’s probably going to say 25 million so I think if you’re looking at like for him five years, $55 million. And maybe because of the injury history and because he’s so far away from free agency, maybe where you win back some money on this is you go like six years at like $60 million. Uh and so, you know, you basically get an extra free agent year for 10 million bucks essentially, right? Uh, so I think that’s probably Woo probably around 10 to 12 million because he’s so far away uh from free agency and because of his injury history. I think that’s probably a good place to go. And then Kirby’s probably next. And again, you kind of do the math on what he’s going to make in his ARB years. And then you figure a free agent year for George Kirby is probably going to be worth 20 to 25 million. Probably 25 to 30. So let’s just say 25. Uh, so just kind of build it out like that. What is Kirby making this year in ARB? Do you remember? I think it’s like 5.4, right? So again, if you follow us very similar to Logan Gilbert, five 10 5.4 10 15 again, uh you figure 30 million and then 25 million for a free agent year. So uh 455 four and then you just and then you just keep stacking those 25s, right? For however many years. So uh ultimately I think and then Kirby has to want to sign it. So, I I think Kirby’s probably going to be the most expensive cuz I think Kirby is the least invested in being in Seattle long term. Now, that’s just speculation on my part. Don’t know. And that’s not to say that he’s not invested. No, no, no. Just it’s just that like Kirby always feels to me like a guy who wants to go back east. He’s from New York. He’s talked about how he’d love to pitch for the Red Sox and the Yankees and all of that and and certainly he’ll be a valuable asset when he does hit free agency. I just think that Kirby’s the least likely to sign an extension of any of the guys. And so that’s that’s kind of what I’m basing my my valuation on. And then Bryce is the year he’s coming off of. I think he’s probably the best bargain you can get. And I think you might be able to get him for like five or six years at about 8 million to 10 million AV. I think that’s probably about what you would look for. So yeah, I think Logan’s probably the best at like five and 100. And then Woo, I think you if you give Woo a six-year extension, I think you probably get him for 60 65 million. Uh Kirby, I would say for a 5year extension, you’re probably looking at he’s probably going to want what Logan’s going to get at least. Uh even though Logan’s a little bit better. Uh so five and 100 for him. And then for Miller, I think it’s probably you’re looking at like six and 50. Six somewhere in that range. Seven and and 60 somewhere in there. So yeah, uh I I I would rank them in priority. I would go Logan one, Woo 2, Kirby still three, Miller four. Scott wants to know, “What do you think would be the contract details?” So AV years, opt outs, blah blah blah blah for resigning Jorge Panco. Yeah, I still don’t really know what Polo is going to get. I mean, we took a stab at it in our offseason plan. We did uh what two years 14 million per so 28 and then what a $2 million buyout on a on a third-year option. So he’s guaranteed to make 30 million bucks that option would be for about 15 mil if he accepted it or did we decide if it was like a player option or a mutual option? I don’t think we did. Whatever. Let’s call it mutual. Um, that’s the ballpark that we kind of think he might land. Yeah, I think it’s possible that a team might be I don’t want to say desperate, but like they might be like willing to give him a fourth year guaranteed to make sure they land him. We’ve heard like Pittsburgh sniffing around here. I don’t know why Polo would want to play in Pittsburgh, but uh, you know, maybe there is a team like that. Maybe not Pittsburgh, you know, specifically, but uh that is like, look, we need to make a bit of a a splash, which if you’re saying we need to make a splash and it’s signing Ji Palano is your splash, no disrespect to Polo, he had a very good year, you have bigger issues to to worry about. If Polo is your splash move, but um I could see a team doing that and be like, here’s a fourth year. And at that point, I think if I’m Seattle, I’m out. I’m not I’m not going four guaranteed years. Um, I think ultimately where you settle in pretty nicely is three years somewhere in that 12 to $15 million range depending on how, you know, fierce the competition is. Maybe it’s it’s 16, you know, 16, 17, $18 million. I don’t see any way he’s getting 20 million a year. I really don’t think it’s likely he’s going to get a fourth guaranteed year. I think a third guaranteed year uh put you in the driver’s seat uh to sign him. But there are so many questions about his health and you know is what he did last year repeatable even though it’s been what he’s done a majority of his career that 2024 is still real and he still missed time this year and he still couldn’t hit right-handed for a large chunk of the season and you know he still has all those leg injuries that he’s dealt with over the last four or five years. So there’s a lot of questions surrounding Polo. No doubt he’s coming off of a good year. I think ultimately, if I had to guess, he’s going to land two to three guaranteed years and it’s going to be worth between, I would say, 12 to 16ish million dollars a year. That would be my hunch. All right, so tomorrow is Top Five Tuesday. In the last couple weeks, we’ve messed up and not actually spun the wheel here on the show. So, we’re gonna rectify that now and actually spin the wheel this time. Uh, it is Col’s turn to tackle a topic on the helm. So, let’s spin that for him right now and see what he’s going to be talking about tomorrow. And around it goes. We added some new options on here, by the way. Okay, very simple here. Top five trade targets for the Mars. All right, it’s time for me to spin the Edhelms now for my topic tomorrow after Kobe gets done with his top five trade targets for the Mars. winner. I’ll be tackling top five bullpin entrances in all of baseball. All right, there we go. So, stuff like Edwin Diaz, you know, Trumpet, Yandon. I think those guys might be making an appearance on tomorrow’s list. All right. Well, that’s what you have looking forward to tomorrow. Top five trade targets for the Mars this winter and the top five bullpen entrances on top five Tuesday. That’s going to do it for our show today though. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Lockdown Merrors podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. For Colobby Patnode, I’m Tiding Gonzalez. 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