Are We Entering The Kyler Murray And Drew Petzing ENDGAME As Members Of Arizona Cardinals?

Are We Entering The Kyler Murray And Drew Petzing ENDGAME As Members Of Arizona Cardinals?

Was it a big deal that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers knew what the Cardinals were going to do in two critical fourth down plays? We’ll hear from the Cardinals offensive coordinator Drew Petting. Plus, are we in the final days games of Psing and some other key members of this organization, Johnny? Plus, Tampa Bay Trey Trevor Sckma from Pro Football Focus is going to join us. We’re going to talk about everything. Kyla Murray landing spots and that maybe hopefully robust 2026 NFL draft quarterback class. PHNX Cardinals starts now. [Applause] [Music] Hey, hey, welcome in live from Studio K presented by our friends at Circle K. It’s the PHNX Cardinals podcast, your premier number one in the world, Arizona Cardinal podcast. Like and subscribe, friends. Leave us a fivestar wherever you get your programming. I’m Johnny Venerable here on the sleepy little Tuesday. That’s Bo Brock in Studio K. Know a man behind the mic. It’s the season of giving. It’s the day of giving. Bo, you’re muted, my friend. We’re What am I doing muted? What’s going on here? Hey, we got to be able to talk. We’re all in together now. And uh we’re looking to drive up some funds for a great cause. Yes. Of friends over at Big Brothers, Big Sisters. That’s right. Nhem, you see it. Plus, we’ve got Connor, we’ve got uh Ryan, we’ve got Alex, we got Ken Weber. How about Cojo Nation? Love to see that. Classy, nasty, dropping the supporter emojis. So much going on. So many people already here to talk about this team here. What Drew Petting had to say. Kind of look forward as far as Tampa Bay Trey, Trevor Sikma, PFF, draft analyst, expert. Going to give his thoughts. He and his guy Connor Rogers just a couple weeks ago did how they would fix the Cardinals. We tap into that valuable insight on this little humble podcast called PH Next Cardinals. It’s brought to you though by Johnny. Let me add this. Yeah. Our friends over at Bet365. It’s never ordinary. Download the Bet365 app today. Use the code ph65. 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So those are the tears all and in the name of a great cause with our friends at Big Brothers Big Sisters Bose. So great table setter for a big day of content here on the show. Yeah, I I’m not a jersey guy. I respect those who are. I love to see people support their team by repping their jerseys, but just not a jersey guy. I’d rather wear like a hoodie, a hat. Um, it feels weird to me because, uh, I’m getting up there in age to to dawn a jersey of somebody significantly younger than I am. I think that’s kind of weird. Um, so me wearing a jersey puts me out of my comfort zone. But look, the the the price the price of admission here, what we all want to see is if Johnny can get a little redemption. If we can spell redemption, Jh or Joy. There you go. Today. There we are. It’s spelling’s tough. Um, but we need to get there. Donating’s easy. That’s the That’s what I’m getting to. Let’s uh let’s get Johnny to try to put back a beer that he’s unsuccessfully tried to do now. Three times. Yeah, at least three times. I have fresh Corona in my fridge. I will go grab it for the end of the show. I will put it in a big boy glass and I will struggle to chug it uh in front of everybody. Uh Sag saying, “I can’t finish a beer chug.” I mean, like, I’ve always finished the beer. I just can’t get it in the first like breath. You know how people That’s not being That’s not finishing a beer. Noah. No, that is We already have uh Brian P with a $100 donation. Oh my goodness. Thank you, Brian. Thank you, Brian. Brian’s the man. Brian’s always so generous. He’s giving away supporter uh you know free gifting supporter um uh just signups and also you know always in the super chats. One of my favorite Yeah, he’s the man. Brian P. Kyle Haley with a generous $50 as well. Thank you. Kyle Kyle, you’re the man. Shaft with $20. Thank you, Shaft. We’re at 170 by my poor math. Ghost of Pat Tilly, $100. Oh my god. We’ve already folks got Go put on a jersey, you fraud. No. Can we uh can we get some jerseys in here? Yeah. And then we got um G J G J G J G J G J G J G J G J G J G J Gri J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J J Rich Rich J $20 and T Clearary $20. Wow, you guys are unbelievable. Unbelievable. So, how close are we to doing the top five? This show is gonna be like three hours long. Bye. See you later, family. Uh top five K1 destinations. We got to be close to that now. Yeah, we’re at 310. Okay, so $90 away from tier two. Those frauds on the UFA show got over $600 and we told them we were going to stomp them into oblivion because we are the number one show on this network because of all of you. So, we appreciate that. That is so generous. Brian, everybody, you guys are unbelievable. T Clearly Shaft. Um, this is a community. We need each other now more than ever because of the state of this team. So, perfect transition into I would say if I’m thinking about the calendar correctly, we have five more of these um coordinator Tuesdays with Drew Petting today and another month’s worth um until these are done for good. Yeah, I think that’s about right. It uh just really feels like this thing has hit its expiration date. Yeah. And we’re going to go beyond that. like milk in the refrigerator past that date uh too many days, too many weeks. And you know, Ping this past game, there was critical fourth down calls that really didn’t feel like they had a shot. There was one the previous week. There’s just been a lot of uh just uncompetitive play calls for this offense when they don’t have the luxury of of not being up to snuff from that department. Really, it’s a shame. Um, but uh, you know, we continue to hear from Ping. People are looking for him to say, “Hey, this is where I went wrong or this is where we need to, uh, improve or where I need to improve is my play calling.” And did you get a little bit of push back? I kind of before we get into, you know, Ping’s comments, it was special teams coordinator Jeff Rogers speaking today that really kind of hammered home. what happens press conference in and press conference out and it’s that they were asking about the missed field goal from Chad Ryland and you remember watching the broadcast and they were really kind of pointing towards Matt Hawk the recently signed punter and he was the holder on the kick that Ryland missed and they were talking about how the ball was tilted and there were a couple questions pointed towards Rogers to say like what went wrong was that kick unsuccessful And I’m paraphrasing, but basically like Rogers was like, I’m not going to use a press conference to call out my players. And I think that that plays into kind of just how they Cardinals overall, how they they operate in press conferences. They don’t do them well. They don’t do themselves any kind of service. Um, you know, what’s the point of a press conference? the point of a press conference as Bo is about to dawn. Do the Pat Tilman one. Yeah, Bo is dawning the Pat Tilman salute to service uh number 40. So, we don’t salute Bo, but we salute Pat Toman as he dawns. There it is. Number 40, Pat Tilman. We’re already up to the top five uh K1 destinations. You guys are under unbelievable. Um there it is. 40. Does it look like I have a shoulder pads on right now? That looks great. Is that Johnny looked when he was taking the high school football field? Hey, no, I didn’t have a You think I had a cowboy collar? Come on. I wasn’t Mr. Cowboy Collar. Uh, all right. So, what’s the point of a press conference? The point of a press conference is to get your messaging across and hopefully educate the media and send a message from a positive standpoint to your fan base. Okay. Why are Bo press conferences streamed on Twitter and YouTube and Instagram for fan accessibility for fans to be able to say like, “Oh yeah, that’s interesting and we’re doing this and this is where I’m getting my news and I’m feeling fulfilled. It’s not to gatekeep and it’s not to come out and say nothing while saying something.” And for them to get I I overly sensitive. Sorry guys, you stink. You’re bad. You have three wins. You’re you’re 15 and and 31 dating back to 2023. You’re tied with the Jets. The Jets could pass you before the end of the year. You’re a bad team. When you’re a bad team, your pref press conferences should go as follows. Not good enough for the fans. What do you want to know? Everybody’s got to do better. And like look, Ben Johnson gets it. He’s number one in the NFC. He’s like, “Yeah, our passing game stinks. We got to be better. We will be better. It’s unacceptable. It’s like every week, Jeff Rogers, I’m watching the Cardinal game and you guys take a dump and either field goal, kickoff, kickoff, return, punt, or punt return. Every week I watch that. You say, “No, don’t. I’m not going to rip my players.” Can Can we rip somebody? Because the only people ripping anybody is everybody ripping the Cardinals. Is everybody just content with going down with the ship? I got people in my mentions every day, common denominator, every day. I’m cancing my season tickets. I’m done with this team. And you got and I don’t want to critique the players. The players are are big boys, okay? The players are out there making six figures, seven figures, like they’re they’re going to survive. If somebody Bruce Arens once called a first round pick knee deep because he had his ass so far or his foot so far up a player’s ass. And guess what? That DJ Humphrey’s had a great career. It’s like, can we not with the take the kid gloves off? All right, cut the BS. Yeah, look, I I agree. Um I mean I think you know messaging is is is important you know at the same token you know as far as there is this perception that the press conference is like the accountability board that Bruce Arens used to had have like you’re it’s an information gathering thing first and foremost. Yeah. And if you’re gonna ask if you ask questions and you don’t have a a willing participant on the other end of this as far as answering the question and willing to divulge, you know, in in a transparent way, what went wrong, you know, not necessarily like who’s to blame, but what provide what issues there were or where the the success? Uh that that’s what the press conference is. It’s not necessarily for the media to take to task the um whatever member of the organization is up there at the deis. But you know I I think sometimes when there is lack of transparency and there is you know some tight lip uh answers that you could there there should be follow-ups to try to continue the information gathering process which could turn into accountability. But the idea that you’re going to go there and you’re going to you’re going to sit there from the seat across from a player, a coach, a front office exec, and you’re going to kind of tell them where they went wrong. I just don’t I think some people kind of have that mixed up. Yeah. I just I don’t think Cardinal fans have any appetite for whatever it is they’re selling these last five weeks. Sure. I I think that that that puppy is just I think there’s a a very um like there there’s a very low I guess just kind of yeah no not low tolerance but like there there’s a very low level they could provide some sort of insight about what is gone wrong instead of like well like just painting in broad strokes just how you play calling works and and what the approach is. Yeah. I mean, like, what’s the harm in saying like, yeah, you know, Chad’s going through it right now and, you know, we’re working with him and he it’s not his level expectation. You saw that last year. He was great. I mean, it’s like this isn’t hard, guys, but there there’s almost like with this team, and this is the worst of all realities. It’s almost just like it’s it’s we don’t actually have a problem like you guys have a problem. Like you and the media, you fans expect too much. Don’t you feel sorry for us? We’re in it right now. How dare you question. It’s like, no, this is pro sports. Like, I’m sorry. Yeah. Like, I have no appetite for that. And this is especially disheartening because I thought Jonathan Ganon probably had his most like transparent presser in a long time yesterday and then you got coordinators today coming out and basically like, “Not us, but are are are they basically covering CYA before they have to go get another job?” Right. I mean, Jeff Rogers is on his third punter. Like, you can’t just say that. We’re on our third punter here. This guy This guy’s been holding for Ryland for less than two weeks. Say that. You know, I mean, I I think that there would be some sort of sympathy empathy from the fan base. We’re going to get to the pet scene uh comments here before we take a break. No, man. Let’s see where we’re at with our donations. I’ I see a couple super chats, too. Um that I don’t know. No. Are you gonna add into the total? Yeah, we’ll add it into the total, but we can get to the super chats later on. But we got two anonymous uh donations, $130, $120. 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And this is uh the Cardinals OC talking about what uh how those went so bad. Not he’s not gonna he’s not gonna tell me exactly what he meant unfortunately. So I’m not gonna get that from him. Uh I gotta go back and look and see if there’s anything that I think they they really took advantage of to try to to negate that. Uh felt really good about the call. I thought we had some pretty good angles and and good opportunities on both plays. Uh sometimes we got to make a play and if it doesn’t work, I didn’t make the right call. I think that’s always going to be the case. Yeah, it kind of goes to the other question. When it doesn’t work, I’m always going to say, well, I could have done or could should have done the other thing. I think back to the Green Bay game where we ran, you know, ran the sneak there late in the game and weren’t able to get it. So, we’re always going to try to do things to make sure that we’re not predictable, that we have the ability to get to the edge, to pound the ball or to throw the shot. Um, and when it works, you feel really good about it. When it doesn’t, you go back and kind of evaluate, hey, did we have the right look and we didn’t execute? Could I have designed it a little bit better? Should I have called it different? I think all those things are always at play. Again, I mean, I’m going to go back and look at the tape and look at what they did on defense. And if if I feel exactly like he did, maybe we’ll change something, maybe we won’t. I obviously can’t give that away in here. I don’t want the next coach to to lock in on what we may or may not do. Um, but there’s always a number of looks we’re going to give people and have different plays off of those looks to make sure that we’re not predictable. I like at the beginning he’s like [Laughter] that’s what he was doing. What do you want me to say? It’s like calm down Drew. We all saw it. We all know what Todd Bulls meant. Let’s just cut cut the BS. That’s what I don’t understand. We we asked Ganon about that yesterday a couple times about Todd B’s postgame on both fourth downs that they knew from the Cardinals offensive look. Yeah. Kind of what they were going to expect from the play. Like they knew on the fourth and one that they were going to try to kick the ball outside. And as far as the fourth and two, the illiated fourth and two final offensive play for the Cardinals, they knew the routes. Kind of knew the routes. That was Todd Bulls. That’s what he said. We asked Ganon about that. Ganon kind of like he hadn’t heard that and then you got Drew kind of acting like it’s the first time he’s heard it. Like at some point, don’t you think you just like prepare yourself to answer that question so you can provide maybe a better answer than than we got there in that minute? I mean, do the Cardinals use dialup internet at their facility? It’s like, we don’t have access to these quotes. We didn’t hear that. We’ve we’ve just been grinding since the game. We haven’t accessed any news. We’re using AOL. Uh we’re using Windows 2000. We don’t have access to any of this stuff. I every time I think they’re going to be prepared, they’re not. And then it just I when you plead ignorance, it just makes things look worse. Like what are you afraid of? Just say, “Hey Todd, I respect his opinion. I think we diversify our play calling.” Fine. Like stand up for yourself. I mean like it’s embarrassing. There was an article written by Teao Mackey, a central.com that the Buccaneers were basically like, “Yeah, we knew the plays. It was obvious. We knew him.” And the Cardinals like, “What? We didn’t hear that.” It’s like, “Yes, you did. You knew about this. You knew that this came out. Um, and it’s embarrassing for you.” Like I this whole thing is embarrassing. Like their their game day operations and how they choose to then respond to such are embarrassing. the the gaffs at the end of the game, what comes after the fact in games, the fact that they’re answering. I mean, like we have gone like D Marcato fumble, embarrassment, Ganon and his incident on the sideline with D Marcato. All this stuff about not being able to close in the fourth quarter like the when’s the last time they’ve gone through a game minus Dallas where it’s like things didn’t you know what didn’t hit the fan, right? Blow out in Seattle, blow out at home against San Francisco. It’s like every week you can just pencil it in. It’s like days without an incident back up to zero. I mean, it’s just for four quarters every game. You can’t trust that they’re not going to have an oopsy daisy. Like that’s what this has become. Like there’s going to be a joke made at your expense because your guys just your operation isn’t buttoned up well enough. Like I go ahead. I mean, of the 12 games that they’ve played, there’s been one 14-day stretch post Dallas where they haven’t had to answer answer questions because even with the wins at the beginning of the season, Yeah. Yeah, they had to answer questions like those were losses because there was such uh malpractice at the end of those games and and that they tried to they nearly gave them away to the hless Saints and you know before they were the the Carolina Panthers before they kind of got on this run that they’ve been on and then like they didn’t want people Yeah, we’re good. They didn’t want people to acknowledge that either like at the time it’s like no we were in control. No, you weren’t like you got and we knew you weren’t in control because after those happened, you blew a game against the Titans. We saw what you weren’t correcting against the Saints and the Panthers and then guess what? Then it reared its ugly head against maybe the worst team of the last five years in the NFL and you blew that game to a team that can’t buy a flipping win. They the number one issue with the Cardinals is the Cardinals have issues and the coaching staff doesn’t know how to correct them. Yeah, that’s the season, right? And I was curious about that because now we’ve reached back-to back games. Yeah. Where the Cardinals have fallen short on the offensive side of the football and fourth and manageable, fourth and four against the Jaguars in overtime and then twice against the Bucks, fourth and one, fourth and two. You know, I I asked Drew about, you know, these plays that are amplified and then under a microscope and how like what’s the fallout from them? Where where’s what’s the what’s the approach now after sustaining those big blows? This was his answer. Yeah, as you you know, it’s going to be a really small sample size in a really high leverage situation. So, from our standpoint, it’s always going to fall back on, you know, what was the scheme? What were we trying to accomplish? Did we have the look? Was it execution based? Where was kind of the let down? knowing that sometimes, you know, even when you’re 7030, three out of 10 times you’re losing that. And if that happened three times in a row, it’s frustrating. Um, so I think it’s a balance there between sticking your process and believing what you’re doing, but also trying to tweak, change, and not make sure that you’re giving yourself the best chance for success in that next opportunity. I think that’s a fine balance. How does it how does it relate to the latest letdown? That’s what I think like people wanted to hear. not like from like the the big picture standpoint how how you deal with it and then to say like you know you could go seven for 10 and and miss out on your last three. It’s like well you didn’t go seven you didn’t go seven for seven before you went 0 for three. Isn’t that so hypocritical too? Because all they talk about is Ganon says this every Monday. I’m living for the now. Let’s talk about now. Okay. Let’s talk about now and how bad it was and how bad it is. No, let’s just look at the big picture. It’s like people bring up like their record date back to last year. I’m thinking about now, but in but then we can’t break down the games in real time. So, it’s like it it is the ultimate coach speak right now. And just like on game day, they’re showing you their inexperience doing this kind of thing, too. Yeah. I mean, like you get nothing from this. Nothing. And I I’m sure it’s like cover your ass. make sure you don’t say anything that’s going to cost you long term. It’s going to be on the internet when you apply for jobs in January. Like he’s not he’s not coming back. And that’s why I I’m at the point like I don’t feel bad, but like we all know where this is headed. Ganon is hanging on. So his OC is done. They’re going to hire a new offensive coordinator. If I’m Drew Pine, I would be like, “Okay, I have some clarity. I I’m just going to be honest with everybody with where things stand.” If I’m Jeff Rogers, like I’m gonna be honest with everybody. You can tell when they have that kind of skittishness about them in a press conference, you can only imagine what’s happening behind closed doors. It can’t It can’t be a great environment right now. It can’t. You got flipping Darius Robinson saying, “I’m not who I thought I was.” Just if you’re worth your salt as a coach, it’s like coach him up. Get the best out of him. And every is everybody feeling sorry for themselves with the Arizona Cardinals right now? Cardinal fans are are over this regime. Give us a reason not to be. Yeah. Instead of this. Yeah. It just seems like you’re you’re trying to uh hide the fact that you’ve dropped nine of the last 10 games. Yes. Like if if we’re a true team of accountability and details and players in that locker room, every single one of them is one that’s going to take, you know, quote the arrow to the forehead. And the same goes on the coaching staff. then they’re gonna have thick enough skin to where if somebody says something about them in the press conference they can own up to it that they can wear that that they somebody had people need to have wear these things and we talk about when Ganon you how candid was like saying we’re in it right we’re facing adversity and like we don’t know how to win we don’t know how to win we know how to compete but we don’t know how to win and we feel like once we come out of this we’re going to be better for it paraphrasing there but like through this pain we’re going to come out stronger, right? We’re going to gain strength. But like through this and kind of trying to sidestep simple questions, we’re like we’re not out here like we’re not out here throwing like gotcha questions at him. We’re just trying to get information of what went wrong and what continues to go wrong. How come some people can’t take a couple shots here and there? And I think people I think the fan base would be more empathetic or sympathetic towards that. You’re not being set up to fail by how you answer these comments in the media. A 10-minute media session. Like you, it’s such a small speck in their schedule and their week. I mean, it just We got We got four more of these. Well, we got to listen. I mean, like, we expect this weekend to be tough. We expect next weekend to be tough. And the card the points are going to be at a premium the next two weeks. So, like for I I you better get used to this. I mean, he just I I he I’m not saying this to be a jerk or a jackass. Like, it’s very fortunate to be coaching on this team right now given the circumstance. Like, you’re very fortunate. You know, Brian Dable doesn’t have a job, right? Like, you’re you’re fortunate Chip Kelly doesn’t have a job. You’re employed because your head coach wants you to finish the season. Like, that that’s it. And people know that, right? So use your platform and say something that gives people the kind of confidence that your head coach has in you. Yeah. Like it’s like you almost like nobody else is owed an explanation except for JG and Michael Bidwell. It’s like okay good luck when you’re the tight end’s coach in Buffalo next year. I mean it’s just it’s really it’s really unfortunate. If I was in Drew Pstein’s situation I would be as candid as possible. But like take a page out of Ganon’s book from yesterday. Be as open and trans. I mean, Ross is transparent when he meets with the media, right? Yeah. You can tell with with uh Rogers and P scene now. 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Top five Kyler Murray destinations. So, this is going to be a topic of conversation this off seasonason. And I think we’ve got a banner list. Let’s take a look. Top five K1 destinations here. Do we have a graphic or we just We don’t have a list for that. We got We’re just We’re going to go We’re going to go from one, two, three, four, five. Okay. Because we know we know the order. I think the number one Kyler Murray destination in 2026 are the Atlanta Falcons. I believe the Atlanta Falcons have to make a splash. They’ve got they’re going to have a new coaching staff presumably an offensive coach and then of course you would expect Michael Pennix to miss the season. Kurt Cousins is going to be a postjun first release. Kyler Murray goes into the NFC South has a chance Bo to mirror Baker Mayfield in their eyes as a quarterback reclamation project in the dome with Drake London be John Robinson I believe the Atlanta Falcons for a third round pick for Kyler Murray the most likely K1 destination. So you’re going number one first the top destination. You’re starting there. Yes. And I disagree with it because I think that uh Kyler Murray’s top destination should be the Minnesota Vikings and we we haven’t seen him officially tied to him as far as reports and rumors. We’re seeing uh rumblings from the fan base wanting the Vikings to go after K1 after having to go through an unmitigated disaster with JJ McCarthy and whatever the f that was on Sunday. Uh they they believe that they’ve got a guy in KOC who is a quarterback whisperer and if anybody’s going to unlock somebody like Kyler, it could be Kevin Oonnell. I’ve got the Minnesota Vikings as my number two team. Uh that’s I don’t have an issue with that. Again, I I just Are there too many like similarities with Kevin O’Connell and Drew Petting in terms of like the offense? Maybe they’d want to run now. Obviously Kevin Oonnell’s much better much better. as well spit in the face with that comment. Yeah, sorry. Apologies for that. But Drew Pson wants to be an extension of the Shanahan tree. Just isn’t working out. So, uh I I agree with that. I think that’s number two. I think number one for them is is a M. Jones acquirement uh this off seasonason. But I I have no issue with that. Number three destination for Kyler Murray. I’m going with the New York Jets. The Jets are going to win one or two more games before the end of this year. They’ve won three of five. The New York Jets are not going to be in a position, Bo, to get one of the top quarterbacks. That’s my prediction. They win one more game, they’re out for on Mcno, everybody. They’ve got multiple first in 2027. Benjamin Albbright has said, “Look out for an East Coast team. The Jets are going to have money to spend and they’re going to need a placeholder for a year. Jets are going to go all in, I believe, for K. Will Kyler Murray want to play there? We’ll see. But Jets number three on our list. Yeah, I agree with that. I think that that’s just one of the ones where it’s like you feel for Kyler because he’s going to have to go into another rebuilding situation. It feels like the guy feel as soon as they get to the near the end of a rebuild, uh, the organization just kind of pivots and he’s got to start from scratch again. So, yeah, I don’t disagree with the New York Jets. So, we’ve got the Jets third behind the Vikings in the top one as far as the Falcons. Couple interesting spots here. Do we want to keep them away from the poverty areas? I’m looking at Pittsburgh and I don’t know if there’s enough cap space for them to get Kyler Murray. You’re looking at the team that would acquire Kyler if we’re assuming this is via trade. Yes. Would be have to assume like nearly 37 million in guarantees. Yeah. I don’t know if that’s something that Pittsburgh with all that money that they have u you know set up for their defense if they could afford that. I don’t know. I’m looking at you know the Saints as a potential landing spot as uh you’re going to hear from our guy uh Trevor Sikma. You know they’re kind of stuck in purgatory. Like yeah they made their bed with Tyler Shuck. They took Rattler the previous draft. like are they going to maybe could they bring in Kyler Murray as as somebody that kind of break glass in case of emergency and then get him in there um so they don’t have to endure a full season’s worth of Tyler Shuck. So you’re going Saints at four. I I don’t hate that. I think are they going to look at Tyler Shuck and like a Tai Simpson on the same level? We’ll see. It’s the same regime. Yeah. So I I like Kyler Murray in a dome. I like them. That’s another East Coast team and I I firmly think number four New Orleans Saints destination. And then number five, you know, you’re looking around the landscape of the NFL and it’s like Kyler Murray is not going to be traded to the Browns, right? He’s not going to be traded to uh as you I don’t I don’t think Pittsburgh’s a realistic option. I my only kind of out of the box team would be the Las Vegas Raiders. If lost there and I was like, “Oh crap, don’t do it.” My if Pete Carol is fired. Yeah. They blow it up. They get a new regime. Kyler Murray can go there with a fresh start with Brock Bowers in company playing in a dome. Uh I I Gino Smith is atrocious. He’s ter You can’t play him. Now, the only thing that would cause a riff with that is, you know, where do the Raid I I think the Raiders might lose out, frankly. So, so they will have a chance at a at a top quarterback, but who’s to say you get Kyler Murray and you get Dante Moore, you get Kyler Murray and you get Tai Simpson and you sit them and you do it correct. So, to recap, we are going number one Atlanta Falcons. Number two, Minnesota Vikings. Number three, if I remember as we’re doing this on the fly, who’s our number three team? We had Falcons, Vikings, we had Jets. Jets. There it is. Saints. Saints. And then the Las Vegas Raiders. Honorable mentions for Yeah, I got some. Yeah, let me hit me with it. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I saw it in the chat. It’d be interesting, but they still they’re stuck with the two of contract Dolphins. I’m ruling them out. I know Tyler Matthew was saying that. Um, Pittsburgh Steelers gave you the reason for that. I don’t think there’s enough cap space to facilitate that. And then the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, I I just none of those franchises. Um, man, let’s see. I’m looking at everybody. I mean, though the five teams we gave, I think, are the five certainly the five more most realistic, don’t you think? I think that’s just that’s the group right now. Uh, and things can change. They can change on a dime here. Let’s keep things going. Bo, with our top five quarterback, veteran candidate. Are we going veteran or combination? I think we just do a combination. And and should we get should we have Sikma first because he gives some sheds some pretty good light on this. Um, yeah, let’s do Sikca, then let’s come back. Let’s do a break, then do Sikca because Sikma is a two-parter. Then we’ll come back and um and we’ll talk about top five candidates for sure. Noah’s got an update as far as our day of giving. You guys continue to crush it. Uh we are just cruising on our fundraising goal because of all your generous donations. No, man. Where we at? We got Spencer Vance with $5. We got Cruz Espuro with $20. Thank you, Cruz. Funk Master Peeps, $20. Lamar Washington, $5. And Cuff 66 back with another $15. That’s his second donation. Where are we up to my guy? We are at 652 total. So just under 150 bucks. You get a mock draft live and we’re going multiple rounds and we are trading Kyler Murray in that mock draft to one of the five teams we just mentioned. Hot damn P&X Cardinals is rolling. Hit that like for our friends and big brother big sister. We’re back with Sweet Baby Trev after this. Man, oh man. I’m fired up. I’m checking out Bose’s rivalry jersey and I’m like, “Give me that. I want that for myself. You don’t deserve it.” But what I can do is I can go and get that. I can cop that for myself. I don’t like the shimmy shake with our friends at Rally House. Rally House is the go-to spot to shop all your favorite local Arizona team gear with tens of thousands of products to shop from. They’ve got Diamondback stuff, spring training right around the corner. They’ve got ASU, UFA, Phoenix Suns, one of the hottest teams in the NBA. I want that. 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All right, top five quarterback candidates to start for the Arizona. I want to go from I want to go from five down to one. I don’t know what that was where you start with one. You talk about taking all the drama out of it. Okay. And we’re you and I, so we’re on the same page. Yeah. There are three draft prospects on this list and two veteran. I’m going to give you number five. Okay. And I sent this to Bo earlier today. This is this is out of left field. Okay. I And Bo knows where I’m going with this. I actually told Coach Stark this yesterday. I think, okay, I love this idea and I think that the Howie Roseman, this is something I feel like would be up his alley. The Philadelphia Eagles are a reactionary franchise. The Philadelphia Eagles have underachieved offensively this year. They’re talking about firing their coordinator. Call the Philadelphia Eagles offer two first round picks and Kyler Murray, including your top five pick this year potentially for Jaylen Herz for Jaylen Herz to come to Arizona and stabilize the quarterback position, be a leader in the locker room. And again, you’re talking about a Hail Mary play. I think there’s a better chance Jaylen Herz is available before CJ Strad is available. People hate this in the chat. Jaylen Herz to the Arizona Cardinals number five. Bo. Yeah, I want to I live in reality. Uh why do people hate this? I have a mortgage to pay. Uh I’ve got kids to feed. I’ve got a lovely wife at home. I I can’t play in this La La Land that uh that you’re describing here. Guy won a Super Bowl. Guy Guy’s a great player with with an absolutely loaded ro uh roster and then the cat pit that he’s going to that you’re going to have to sustain for him. And then you got all these void years on the back of his deal. 19 touchdowns, two interceptions, 2500 yards passing. He’s got eight rushing touchdowns. So it’s basically he’s got 27 and two. And people are you bringing the tush push? Not good enough. Uh okay guys, sorry. Arrest me. You guys arrest you. Well, did you did you already just torpedo this entire segment? I wanted to have a fun trade, but I guess nobody’s in the mood for fun today. I guess the fun I don’t think it’s possible. I don’t think it’s possible. If you were to trade for Jaylen Herz in the 2026 off seasonason, let’s see. Um, yeah, that’s not going to help. The Eagles can’t do it. They just can’t do it. They can’t big. Yeah, they uh they would they would be in the whole $85 million. No. Do you have $85 million to give them? Here’s $2. Here’s your $2. Do you want me to just Do you want me to scrub that from the list? No. Bad entry. People want their donation. Do honorable mention, smartass. You do number five then. Honorable mention. This show is supposed to be a positive show with Big Brothers Big Sisters. Everybody’s throwing grenades at me. Everybody’s throwing old rock. You already chug your beer. Did you chug like 10 beers before you right now instead of talking to you? All right, give me number five then. It’s It’s not great, but I think he’s going to be a hot commodity this off season. Davis Mills. Okay, I need to hear your r I gave a rationale. I live Davis Mills. I mean, it basically gives you two uh two A’s that the LA just canled my membership. It’s it’s two A’s. It’s two A and two B. Uh instead of one A and and or one and a two as far as Kyler Brassette, but we know what’s going on. It’s it’s not pretty. And and I think like you’re going to realize that as far as the veteran market as we outlined last night. Um you have to get creative with it. And I know Johnny tried to do that with this Kakamani trade, but uh I I just I don’t I don’t think that that’s that’s where uh you can look the the free agent veteran quarterbacks that you sent to me today. I have a firm reaction throwing tomatoes at me. Jacobe Brousett is better than 90% of these guys. Jacob, I think Jacobe Brassett’s better. Davis Mills only looks good because he’s got Demo Ryan’s coordinating his defense. Like come on Davis Mills bar. Let somebody else do that. That’s what I have at five. Okay. But I’m not I’m not doing lay your head down on the pillow and dream something up type scenario like you did. I’m trying to If John and Ammani Osen board are in a must-win season, playoffs on the line, you bet your ass they’re going to be calling around throwing around first round picks trying to save their jobs. saving anybody. You’re getting fired with Davis Mills. You should be fired. Give me a fourth. I don’t even know. Like, I don’t even know. Does any you We’ll let the chat decide. All right, I’m gonna list you these names. Number four, they’re not trading for M. Jones. They’re not doing that. That’s not happening. Yeah, I’ve got him off my board just because the Niners would not do that. I agree with Winston, but he he doesn’t take care of the football. That’s like the number one priority. They they number one mandate of their quarterbacks. Spencer Rattler, Jared STDM, Gardner Mchu, Derek Carr. Who do you want? Who do you want in the Walmart $1 DVD bin of quarterbacks? Pick one of those guys. I already voiced my opinion. I think Derek Carr has he’s starting experience. His arms toast. That’s the big That’s the big criteria for Derek Carr. I’m Derek Carr and I can’t throw 20 yards anymore. This is I’m I’m tell Yeah. Nobody even like Mchu Derek Carr. Somebody said K1. Uh Carr at least is serviceable. All right. So it’s Derek Carr. Okay. So the best available free agent quarterbacks. We’re going to take the guy who’s got potentially degenerative shoulder in and retired last year. Hooray. Hooray. Jaylen Herz. Honorable mention. Davis Mills. Derek Carr. Skip ahead. Let’s get to the big three. Bo top three. Number three, quarterback out of Alabama, Ty Simpson. And then number two, which Dante Moore, quarterback out of Oregon. I’ll let you have that one even though I’ve got him at one. But you love Fernando Mendoza, QB out of Indiana. He’s got Andrew Luck vibes in terms of his of his brain. He’s got a big brain and he’s going to be able to decipher the NFC West. He’s got an opportunity to grow into hopefully an offense that’s competent. 6’5. He’s got a good arm as Trevor Sickman is going to break down. It’s not a great arm, but he plays indoors. He’s got sneaky good mobility. He is a prototype quarterback. He’s going to be able to come and just stabilize this position. I again like you can be cynical to Bama quarterbacks because of the supporting cast. I like what Sigs has done as their head coach, but you know who they playing with? He’s elevating everybody. He’s a win away this weekend. I think he’s going to play very well against Ohio State from winning the Heisman Trophy. So, give me Fernando Mendoza. Firm one number one. I mean, Don Dante I like Dante Moore. Couldn’t beat out Dylan Gabriel last year. Slub Dirt Murt Dylan Gabriel who’s sluming it with the Browns and he’s as tall as me. Dante Moore couldn’t beat him out. Yeah. I mean like the you can see special Fernando Mendoza is special. The giving the to her day of giving is special. That’s the only thing special about this show. Our two lists are kind of stinkers, but you guys are crushing it in the chat. You guys are crushing it with your generosity, and we’re going to reward you with some actual solid insight and more names to our quarterback list and landing spots from our guy Trevor Sikma, PFF. He’s going to join us next here on uh PHX Cardinals. But real quick, let’s get an update on some more donations here. Yes, we got AR Lopez with a $50. Wow, thank you so much. 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Telling about the quarterbacks you can get off screen and go to your fridge to get for the children. All right, Trevor Sikma, let’s hear from him. Who should be Kyler Murray’s successor? is it looks like it’s an inevitable divorce between him and the Arizona Cardinals. We go to an expert all things NFL draft and also broke down what a Cardinals ideal offseason would look like. Our guy Tampa Bay Trey, it’s Trevor Sigma PFF the NFL stock exchange. And Trev, how we doing, my man? I’m doing fantastic guys. Uh appreciate you having me on the show. I wish it was under better circumstances. I really do obviously with how the Cardinal season is going, but it’s always good to link up with you guys and talk low ball. So, I appreciate you having me back. Your breakdown on how to fix the Arizona Cardinals went viral here locally and a lot of positive feedback because Trevor, a lot of Cardinal fans just want to take a sledgehammer to this. And let’s start with the writing on the wall and let’s start with Kyler Murray because, you know, Ganon came out yesterday and the window to open him up officially started yesterday, but they’re not going to do it. As my co-host, you know, reported, it’s just it’s not going to happen. like they’re they’re they’re slow playing this for a reason. They don’t want him to get injured. They’re waiting till this off season can hit so they can shop him officially to other teams. Let’s start with this. What do you feel like is the best landing spot for Kyler Murray given his age and his contract? Wow. Yeah. So, Kyler’s entire situation is very interesting, right? Because it’s a it’s it’s a very highpaying contract. He will be, as of next year, I believe the 11th highest paid player in the NFL, unless there’s some contracts that I’m not thinking of that would have overtaken him. He’s at least in the top 12, right? He’s in that range of the guys who are paid the most in the NFL. And and very clearly the Cardinals would need a player like that to be quarterback and they don’t believe in him. And so, you think to yourself, well, the best case scenario for the Cardinals is to trade him. But does somebody believe that the price would be right in that regard? like are we getting a little bit of a like a Brock Osweiler type of a trade where like hey if you take Kyler off of our books with a trade we might give you they’re not going to give him like a super high pick or anything but like we might give you a little bit of draft capital we might be able to do that if if we’re not only giving you a potential franchise quarterback they still believe in him which I think that they would at that point we’ll also give you some draft capital I I truly don’t know what the most likely scenario is between that which I think the Cardinals would prefer to trade him or the rest of the teams in the NFL going kind of calling their bluff and saying you’re going to cut him. So, it doesn’t it does not matter. You’re going to cut him. You’re going to get rid of him in any way, shape, or form. He’s not going to be on the roster for you next year. And I think you guys would know this confirm this better than I do, but I believe it’s like 5 days after the new league year is when the money guarantees for not just 2026, but then 2027. So, he has to be off of their roster before that fifth day in the new league year. So, there’s a little bit of a time crunch here to figure it out once we start to get into the off seasonason. But, you know, you think about landing spots like with the Raiders take a swing on them, right? Depending on what happens with Pete Carol and and Gino Smith, like that’s a potential landing spot there. Obviously, with how things have gone in Minnesota, like do they get super aggressive? They believe that Kyler Murray could actually be that answer for them in Minnesota because it feels like even if maybe they’re not totally giving up on JJ McCarthy, you can’t go into next season with just him. It’s got to be somebody else alongside him. So maybe a solution like Kyler would make you think that you don’t even need JJ McCarthy at that point. So I mean those are two that come to mind. Pittsburgh, of course. I I have no idea what’s going to happen in Pittsburgh, but clearly they need a quarterback of the future there. not working now with the it just feels like band-aid plans that they’ve had at quarterback for basically just since Rothosberger was there. And now I think all that is coming to a head where they’re going to have to have some serious conversations about really being a team that needs to make a major change and if they don’t want to draft one, if they don’t think that they could draft one, well then all of a sudden Kyler comes into play with a team like that. But those are a handful. I mean Atlanta’s the only other one that as I’m kind of like thinking of of it out loud here. Yeah, I like that fit a lot. They’ll probably move. They’re they’re probably just going to post June one cut Kirk Cousins because remember you could designate two of your cuts to be post June one cuts. And if they do that, yes, they have to pay him more money up front, but Arthur Blank’s got it. He’s not worried about that. It means that the cap hit is less for Kurt Cousins to no longer be on the team. Are you really going to go into next year with Penn and his knee injury at that point? like maybe you get spicy and you say to yourself, “All right, Arizona, we’ll give you pennics for Kyler Murray.” And I’m not saying like that would be the only component to the deal, draft picks, something like that would probably, you know, even out one way or the other. But that’s sort of the spicy landing spot of you might be able to get a quarterback back that you could say, “Hey, let’s give Pennix 2026, see what we got.” And then if not the 2027 NFL draft, the quarterback class looks much more robust in theory depending on who doesn’t and does declare for this 2026 group, which it looks like it’s not going to be a ton of these guys. So that’s a scenario that it’s that I think piques the interest of a lot of people to potentially move on via a trade. Yeah. A little bit more palatable, right? I mean, I think that the fan base would take that something in return instead of having to go to the route of dehop a couple seasons ago where like you outlined, you know, they telegraphed that thing and the rest of the league said, “Wait, we’ll just wait till you release him.” That seems like the worst of all realities for the Cardinals. The biggest kind of I guess scare tactic for Cardinals or fear uh is that you know Kyler Murray goes and finds success. But regardless of how he exits the organization, what’s you know the successor to Kyler Murray in your opinion, what what’s their best path to find, you know, steady quarterback play in 2026 and beyond? Yeah, it’s it’s it’s tricky, right? because when we when we did the fixing the Cardinals episode, um I I actually haven’t heard y’all’s thoughts on on Monty Austin for it, so I’m not sure um if you would agree with this or not, but when I look at Monty over the last two, three years of him of him being in Arizona. I think that some people are lumping them together just because of the struggles of the organization. And I think that they say like, “Let’s just clean house. We want to totally clean house. Let’s get rid of Ganon. Let’s get rid of Austin for it.” And I look at what Austin Ford’s done and I go, “Well, hold on here. Has everything been perfect?” No. But you look at the team that he inherited and the team that he has now, it’s way more talented top to bottom. That’s not to say there’s not holes on the roster. But you got talented guys in the building and you give him one more off seasonason with a full draft class, I think the offensive line starts to look a lot better. At least has a much higher talent ceiling. Maybe you get somebody at inside linebacker depending on what you think it like cornerback you could be adding there. But it’s like I I think that this becomes a pretty damn good team on paper this upcoming off season. The question then becomes, sure, Fernando Mendoza, Dante Moore, maybe Tai Simpson in the draft, those guys could be alluring, but are they going to hit the ground running for you the way that the rest of this roster is kind of in a winning window right now? And there were a lot of people that were potentially picking the Arizona Cardinals to make the playoffs. And the reason why is because of how talented it feels like that roster is with some of the rookie classes that they’ve had, some of the free agents that they’ve been able to have. And so that then in my opinion will become the biggest discussion point of the off season is you can go after different quarterbacks. Like again, there’s some that might become available like you might be able to go get Jameus Winston, Davis Mills, Jimmy Garopppolo, like guys like like lower tiered guys like that. Maybe a trade for M. Jones, right? like some somebody in that regard. Maybe you’re entertaining, okay, a trade with Minnesota or a trade with uh w with the Atlanta Falcons where you’re getting their rookie back in return. Maybe you feel better about that route because if not, then it just it sets up an interesting pathway between where the current roster is and where your quarterback situation might be. In reality, you you would want Kyler Murray to be good. like that’s that’s what you would actually want here because the rest of the roster is there for it. But in my opinion, I I think that as long as you have the right guy at offensive coordinator, which I know it hasn’t looked good for Drew Ping, I don’t know if he’s going to be here next year. Kind of doesn’t feel like it with how much they’ve really struggled. But if you get the right guy at offensive coordinator and you get a quarterback who you even feel good about, maybe not a franchise caliber ceiling like Kyler Murray, but again, maybe you’re trading for Jameus Winston, trading for Davis Mills, M. Jones, or whatever. you might be able to compete. I know the division’s really tough, but the rest of the roster feels like it’s close, especially if you have an off seasonason where you feel like you can invest a lot of draft capital specifically into offensive line, getting a lot more talented there and feeling a lot better about that. So, just to go back to answering your question, I think a veteran fits this team best for where they currently are. I I I I just don’t know if if they’re going to have the right one to take them to the playoffs in this division the way that the rest of the roster might want to, which then of course then brings up, all right, well then you’re hoping you’re drafting one of these talented guys in the first round. Before we touch on those three players, because I think Bo and I like all three uh in different variations, I think that’s the outline that you gave. I think is the most likely based on the fact that like the fan base wants Jonathan Ganon to no longer coach this team and regardless of Bow and I’s opinion like we have at source like he he will be back. They’re going to give him another year. Uh we feel pretty confident Drew Petting’s not going to return. He’s going to have a new offensive coordinator. I mean like lining up in a reality in which hey we have to go and win nine or 10 games next year with Jonathan Ganon in this roster that’s ready to win. Mhm. That’s why this Kyler Murray thing is so befuddling because it’s like, yeah, I mean, like Kyler Murray is going to easily be the best quarterback available this off season, right? We’re giving him away. So, so the fan base is just coming from a perspective like, well, then just fire everybody and then take a rookie quarterback and then slow play their development. They’re they’re kind of doing this out of order. Yeah. And and that I think is sometimes an issue with a lot of these organizations is is they are a little out of order, right? the quarterbacks like the Vikings are a perfect example, right? Rest of the team is there now. They’ve had some injuries that have been really tough for them, but like for the most part, this team won 14 games last season, right? The rest of the ro and they only got better with the guys that they added in the offseason. They are ready to win right now. We saw that in 2024. The quarterback’s not. And as we can see, like that’s sometimes the only thing that matters. And so, we’ll talk about the quarterbacks here in a second. I think those guys could be good for you, but are they good enough? like are are they really what you want them to be and can they figure it out in year one, year two to make sure that it’s worth it. That’s why to be honest when we were talking about it earlier the Penn trade is probably the most alluring one depending on what his knee looks like with rehab and the honest timeline with him because look I mean if he’s going to miss all of September and and and maybe into October that then probably doesn’t work out for you but if you could tell me he’s on the practice field some point in training camp and he’s getting some preseason reps then I think you feel good about like you said you’re giving away the most talented quarterback that’s going to be available this off season. So you feel a little bit better about saying okay we’re going to move on from him but at least we get a guy back who has started in the league this year with Penn and yeah it’s been a little disappointing but he’s young. you feel better about him next year, swing of the bat. And if it doesn’t work, like we said, then you’re probably cleaning house in other ways anyways, and you’re probably going all in for a quarterback in 2027 because that 2027 class looks a little bit more loaded. Really fascinating stuff from Trev there. I mean, Michael Penn is you would think it would they want to holster him as he makes his way back from knee surgery or have they made a decision as far as Michael Penn? I mean, this is not a guy that hasn’t had injuries before. I mean, his college, his collegiate career was riddled by injuries. If you’re the Cardinals and you could get him come West, you get controllable, but it’s still like the jury’s out. Like, is he a starting caliber player in this league? And like I was saying this yesterday, Johnny, like it’s razor edge thin, but the difference between a starting caliber quarterback and a backup quarterback has been on full display the entire JG era. two wins without Kyler Murray who’s a starting caliber quarterback without him. Yeah. And I like what was Monty Austin Ford’s like pre-draft grade on Michael Penn because you know they grade everybody even the quarterbacks like the year they took Martha overall like what do you think they had on Michael Penn like do you want to pick up Michael Penn who like his salary is not nothing I he’s a top 10 draft pick or whatever it was this rookie scale and the the I think the Falcons would be on the hook for all his guarantees. Yeah. So, I mean I if you’re gonna sh I I’m not opposed to Michael Penn if you’re taking on Kyler Murray and all of his money and you’re and you’re also like getting a pick. I don’t think their fan base could stomach that though. Like I I just think from an optic standpoint, you’re better off trading a pick for Kyler and just letting your fans know like, okay, Michael’s not ready. Kyler’s here. We’re gonna we’re gonna go with Kyler. We’re going to let Michael get healthy. I don’t think you can ship an injured Michael Pennock away unless you just get a new GM and the GM’s just like I’m gutting this whole thing. I mean, you could maybe maybe they will. I think that writing could be on the wall. I mean, to think about that that draft day after signing Cousins to that. Everyone knew it was a mistake. Everyone knew. And then they take Penn and they’re staring down just two seasons later, neither of them potentially being there. That’d be pretty insane. But like as far as really kind of good landing spots for Kyler. Yeah. You you’ve got, you know, I think a decent O line. You’ve got a good run game obviously with Bejon. You’ve got Drake London on the outside. So Johnny, you’re you’re ready to go, my man. I have my Tilman jersey on. Uh somebody in the chat chat says I look like a big child in that jersey. Um so here’s what we’re going to do. I I took a Corona and I poured it into this mason jar. So, we’re gonna drink out of this so it’s easier to chug. Hold on. Does anybody have issue egg issue that we didn’t get to witness? Johnny pour the beer. I mean, I just poured it in front of my wife. This is a full beer. I have another in the fridge. I can go This is a huge mason jar and it goes over it goes milliliters. I wanted something that could breathe a little bit. Is that an issue with people? People are saying it doesn’t count. You want me to do a Corona like out of the bottle? I I This is I mean, look, if they paid $1,000 for this jug, they should at least get what they want. Put Bo on. That’s fine. Put B single shot. I’ll try to do it. The bottle. I’ll be right back. No. No. What do we think? No. I mean, no. No. People are saying it doesn’t count. So, I don’t You’re right. If this was Mocha Gate, everybody screw yourself. But for for the kids charity, I will do it what you ask. I’ll be right back. Put single shot for B. No, I’ll be right back. Before you go, let’s uh let’s see who broke the camel’s back here. Okay. The uh donations. We had Lamar Washington with $15 and we had Cruz back in it for $50 who broke the seal a total of $1,027. Unbelievable. I I couldn’t I can’t believe it. I really can’t. The generosity of this chat of this community giving back to Big Brothers, Big Sisters, the want, the will to see Johnny fail chugging once again. I just love it. Is going to be so much more. I was like, “All right, this I this can breathe a little bit. I can do like a like a full mouth chug. This is like this is going to be rough.” I guess that’s what people want. You want to see me get myself in my workstation? That’s fine. We have to do a mock draft, too. And your super chats. All right, single shot. I’ll be right back. For all the people that are upset, I understand. I’ll be right back. I’m upset. I was going to show my moral support for Johnny uh by chugging in unison with him. And no, I I go outside the studios here to the fridge in the common area and we don’t have a single beer in sight at PHNX Studios. We we did not. But you know what we do have? We do. We have our guys at Three Amigos. We got this delicious tequila that uh while Johnny struggles, labors through uh chugging out of his Corona. No. And I will uh salute and have a shot of three amigos. Of course, it’s it’s farm to glass. Uh I know that uh Damon Dog on the Wildcats broadcast had about four of these. Know he’s probably still a little bit loopy as he walks around. uh outside of of our studio. But uh man, um it’s we we’re just kind of blown away. Ryan, I’m gonna try to chug. I mean, I’m just gonna do a simple little shot. Um I’m not going to chug tequila. I think that would be worth it. No. No, I don’t think so. We’re not going to get black out here. There is There’s Johnny. He’s back. All right. Is this good? Everybody needs to see I think Yeah, I think so. People are saying this is apple juice. I wish it was. Uh, all right. Corona extra. It’s not light beer. God, I kill for a White Claw right now. We’re struggling. All right, let’s do this. We’re on Are you ripping? See how many shots it takes? No, no, no. I’m just gonna This is my This is my like really sad attempt at moral support. There were no beers here at the studio. You know where this screws me too is like zero foam in this. So, I can’t because I poured that whole thing in, but a lot of that was foam. Definitely could have cheated with the foam. I think you’re gonna benefit from lack of foam. You think so? I don’t know. All right, I’m gonna mute myself. Why is everybody comfortable with that? Tornado time. No, you need to you need to keep that microphone. I want to mute you guys, too, because when I Bo usually heckles me when I do this, and it doesn’t help. No, I mean you you know what I’m saying inside my head. I am heckling you, but I don’t I don’t actually verbally abuse you. In all seriousness, the best Cardinal community, the best community on the internet. We appreciate everybody. Big Brothers, Big Sisters. Over a thousand dollars. Wow. Cheers from PX Cardinals. Here we go. Clink down the hatch. Go, Johnny. That is good. Well, got about midway through. There we go. There we go. Look at him go. Look at him go. Look at that animal. Look at that absolute animal, Johnny. Whoa. Feel like that was my best one. That was good. That was good. Disappointingly good. Nice job. That’s right. For the kids, for the children. Let’s go. Doesn’t he look like a guy at a frat party right now with his jersey? That people next on beer pong. That was pretty good. I had to stop. I was probably about right here and I had to I had to clean a couple things up. All right. Feel like people are showing me some love in the chat. This is I’m improving, guys. This is getting better. Thank you. What What do we expect? What do we expect? People expect people paid that money because they thought they were going to see you fail horribly, spit up on myself, something embarrassing, something that resembles my five-month-old after taking a baba. You know that. But you prove them wrong. Thank you. And here’s what I want to say. Because I did that so successfully, I will be driving during this mock draft and there’s a potential for me to pull the road card on one of these three selections. I You’re You know what? I think you’re right. I think the I think the bottle did help me a little bit. Yeah. Thank you all for the kind words in the chat. I’ve come a long way. Come a long way here on this little fanboy pod. And um it was your hero moment. How was the tequila, by the way? Smooth. Oh, the smoothest, man. It was I was actually shocked. I was expecting, you know, at least to make a a weird face. It was really good. I enjoyed it. I I would like to have another. Yeah. No, you can’t. Noah can Noah can can party. He can He can hang. If you take Noah to San Francisco for the Super Bowl, he’s gonna have to have to be on my agame with Noah. I’m gonna fall down one of those long roads that go like all the way to the ocean. Last thing here. Um, there is a two that’s a two-parter with Trevor Sikma. We’ll have the rest of Trev uh posted here on PHNX Sports for you guys to consume. You can see the rest of what he has to say breaking down this draft class. All right, let’s do it. Mockdraft simulator. Your boys driving and belching sharing screens. BFF in honor of Sweet Baby Trev. Arizona Cardinals. Bul Brock, Johnny venerable mock draft. Cardinals eighth overall, three rounds here. And uh a prerequisite for this mock draft is we have to trade Kyler Murray. Um so I we traded into Atlanta last time, Bo. I think we get we do a different team here. How do you feel about the New York Jets as an option? Yeah, and they’ve got plenty of draft capital. You know, I think we’re going to keep it realistic. We’re not going to go for that top 10 pick, but uh try try to recoup something as you say goodbye to your franchise quarterback. Um yeah, I like the Jets, you know, and in the teams we mentioned, Atlanta, uh Vegas. I think you can look at those and see, you know, what you could get in return in the form of, you know, late first day two pick. I think that’s all on the table. I would say the pick that they traded away part of the Quinnon Williams deal. How about So it’s not even, you know, their own pick that they would have to be parting ways with. Pick 48 feels like a good sweet spot. How do you feel about that? It looks good. It looks like they’re, you know, more than willing to do that. Do Do you push? Do you try to get, you know, another pick in there? Uh, man, 107’s the top of the fourth. I really just want to focus on the picks we’re getting now. Okay. I think he a top 50 pick. I think Monty Austin Ford would run to the to the table for that. So, yeah. Uh, we’re going to offer this trade. they’re going to accept it. So, Cardinals now have a first and two twos um to start their draft and potentially their rebuild. We’re going to start this draft and the Cardinals have missed out on uh the top three quarterbacks unfortunately. So, Tai Simpson, Fernando Mendoza, and Dante Moore go ahead of the Cardinals. Um so, we’re going to be going a little chalky here as it relates to non-quarterbacks. blow. This is uh this is the blow that we uh weren’t expecting to have to absorb here. Three quarterbacks off the board. Well, I think if they’re picking eight, Bo, we can’t expect to get a quarterback in my opinion. But it it stinks that the team you just traded, Kyler Murray, just Dante Moore right before you were about to be on the clock. And should we restart? Does anyone want to restart? Should we trade up to try to get a quarterback? No, I think you go uh you take probably the tackle on the board if he’s there. No, there’s no tackle here. Which tackle? This kid. Spencer Fanu. Yeah, he’s good. I like him. Okay, so we’re going Spencer Fono Feno. Uh eighth overall. Well, okay. Didn’t you say that’s what you wanted to do? Sorry. I was going to see maybe you could trade down, but let’s look at the second tier quarterbacks here. Nusmeire, Lenora Sers, and Jaden, my guy from USC. I think one of these two picks has to be a quarterback. Yeah, it’s it’s interesting. You You’ve got guys who I think are tools. I mean, Sellers is more toolsy than uh Jaden from USC, but Jaden has been more productive by a long shot compared to Sellers. So, you’re going on, you know, projectability versus, you know, productivity. So, it’s really kind of um what do you prefer? There’s not a lot of uh experience from either quarterback. Uh more so, you know, Sellers and I he’s been there for a couple years, but man, I mean, I think if you’re going on like ceiling, Sellers has a much higher ceiling, but there’s a lot of bust. There’s a lot of boom bust there. Sellers has 13 passing touchdowns in our interview with Trevor that he’s going to highlight in part two. He believes that South Carolina is just basically mailed it in this year. They’re they’re just in such a bad spot. Here’s what I like about Jaden. Who is Jaden’s college coach? I like him. I like him here. I like him here. I don’t know if I like him at, you know, with the first pick uh that the Cardinals have. Who’s J Who’s Jaden’s college coach? Lincoln. And who and how many franchise quarterbacks has he developed? A lot. Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield. I mean, he’s he’s been around a lot of these players, so I think he was around, but I think Jaden is is the least gifted and like I don’t mean that by that’s not an indictment on him. Like those are some special quarterbacks, right? But think about where we’re picking and where those guys went. Could this guy be like an Andy Dalton, Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins where it’s like there’s not flash, but there’s a lot of substance, nine yards of completion. He’s going to finish the year with almost 30 touchdowns. Um, total touchdowns including rushing. I I I I can’t for the life of me take Sellers that I’m just going to be anti-ellers this off season. I I’ve seen it with Anthony Richardson. There’s just too many similarities. If the chat wants Sellers or Nusmeers, so be it. My vote would be I I think I think we’re going to be talking about Jaden as as a fast riser and a potential first round pick come this spring. I think I think he’s going to force the issue because of that pedigree he gets working with Lincoln Riley and his produ I mean his production’s been really good. Yeah. I mean I think the situation that you’re in right now obviously this is barring what the quarterback market uh does for you as far as the NFL goes. like the vets, you’ve got Brassette on the roster, but you don’t have the like if you take sellers now, like it might be something you could develop him that raw skill set and something down the road, but I don’t think they have the luxury. I think they would probably go for a more polished prospect than sellers and and and you would you would have to just say, “We’re going to pass on the tools and we’re going to take uh Jaden instead.” All right. Is everybody cool with Jaden? Yeah. All right, I like it. Day two pick. Uh, now we’re back on the clock. Uh, couple different options here. Austin Seel, I can’t pronounce his last name. He’s going to kick it. Nice. Nice. He’s going to kick in the guard. We have a tackle. We have a potential future franchise quarterback. You want to look at receiver here? receiver. I mean, I think maybe you get more of a balanced draft than you did last year where you went all defense. Um, instead of just going all offense, even though that’s your big problem area, and you still want to go like best available, but what do you have? What can you add just add as far as the trenches? What can you add as far as I don’t think it’s it’s uh too early now to go offball linebacker because you you need it’s such a need now. like what do you see as far as best available in those positions? I’m gonna I just this they love Illinois players. Monty Austin for it taking Isaiah Adams and and uh our third tight end blocking Tip Ryman. Uh he who should now be named. Gabe Lucas has probably maxed out his physical ability. I watch a lot of Illinois football. 11 sacks on the year. Yeah. Senior. He’s probably not what they want in terms of a top 50 pick. He’s I I think probably more of a day three guy. Um, you know, you could go Austin, kick him inside because he’s played left and right guard. Um, that’s very chalk. Uh, had a tough time obviously against Texas, but but held up well against some good programs. I I am pro playmakers. I I I love Michael. I love Marv. You’re going to lose Greg Dorch. Z Jones is a free agent. I I would go I think this kid out of Tennessee. I mean, he’s got really nice measurables. 6520, 16.5 yards per catch. He’s been a productive player. Uh he’s been there for a while. Uh and then, you know, if you want to get a little bit more shifty, this kid out of USC, you reunite him with this quarterback 6’4 200. Probably not. Yeah. Uh Bernard out of Bama, 61, 200. A little bit more compact. I don’t know. Chad, who do you like at wide receiver that you’ve seen this year? I I would be more inclined to go with a playmaker. Uh I I would be more inclined to go with like the true premium position, the edge rusher. more so than wide receiver. I mean, you’re going to have you got Trey Locked up at tight end. You got Marv coming back for year three. You got Michael Wilson coming back who proved, you know, he’s he’s more than his stats have shown last couple seasons. Sure, you got to replace probably Dorch, you got to replace Z Jones, but I think this is a little bit early where you got like three mouths to legitimately feed uh before you even get to this guy. I just I just don’t know if that’s I don’t know if there’s value there. Okay. All right. Gabe Jackson. It is 11 s. Again, Marcus Golden once upon a time had a low ceiling according to scouts and that worked out pretty well. So, let’s go Gabe Jackson, pass rusher out of Illinois. All right. Can we now look at potential options? Nusmire falling uh at playmaker. Offball linebacker is fine here as well. A lot of tight ends. Hard pass. best available playmaker Nick Anderson out of LSU with some horrendous stats. So, big big no there. How about the other running back for Notre Dame? I I I I like running backs. Let’s filter RBs here. Darien Price, who is the counterpoint to Jeremiah Love, the first rounder. Um, nice yards per carry, 11 touchdowns this season. Does he have the size here? 511 210. Uh, I don’t hate it. Anybody love any of these backs enough to take them at 72? Uh, not really. Okay. Not really. I mean, it’s a backup there. Yeah, Rod Moore. I mean, that listen, he’s he’s been a good player. He was injured last year. He was elite with Harbaugh, as you can see. Um, at 6 foot, just under 200 lb. I I mean, you’re going to lose Jaylen Thompson this off seasonason free agency. Buddha is clearly coming down at the end of his career. I wouldn’t I wouldn’t hate a safety here, but I don’t know if the board supports it and and you’re you’re kind of saying offball linebacker a little bit. I don’t know if there’s a clear-cut option here that is a slam dunk for this team. Bo, are you seeing anything you like? No, but I I don’t think it’s also a spot where you can really kind of go wrong. Like I I thought we were sniffing around the right spot as far as uh running back because of you know like what we haven’t been able to see from Trey Benson, right? Because James Connor went down with the foot injury. Um the wide receiver now like you’re getting deeper in the draft. I don’t know about is isn’t Whit Weekes Lane Keifin’s daughter’s boyfriend. Isn’t that what’s going on? Yeah. Is is he gonna transfer? What’s going on? I He’s gonna graduate probably. Okay. Going to graduate. Uh, okay. So, what do people like? Chat, you vote on the last pick here. It’s been a a little bit of a tough draft to navigate. A lot of people like Skyler Bell. Okay. Wide receiver. Um, I saw Whit Weeks. Skyler Bell 1,200 yards. Yeah. Looks 6’1 185. Yukon wide receiver. What’s his size? 6 foot 185. Red shirt senior. So, it’s like what you see is what you get. Does excellent against man coverage. Yeah, I let’s do it. They need playmakers. I don’t love the program. Uh you know how I feel about small school receivers after the Andy Isabella debacle, but I’m willing to take I’m willing to take a chance here, Bo. Okay. [Music] Utah is really good. They I think they got like 10 wins this year or something like they lost their coach. All right. They don’t like Ignore the ignore the grade. I like this draft. You get a franchise quarterback potentially. You get a right tackle to book end with Paris Johnson. You get a playmaker and you get an edge rusher. I I like the positions. You The first two players I love and then the rest of it is just kind of hates him. I J get TR um Trevor Sikma believes Jaden’s going to be a day two pick. Listen to the rest of our interview. So I think he’s the fastest riser in this draft. People are upset that we took Spencer over Jordan Tyson. I’m sure there are going to be people that have take issue with that as well. I mean, I I just I don’t think you get the the value that that you would want from Jordan Tyson when you’ve got McBride and you’ve got Marv. At best, he’s your third option in the passing attack. Why would you use a top 10 pick on that? I think they need they need watch this offensive line next week and tell me what where they’re in desperate need of O line or playmaking. They need a mid round underneath receiver that’s compact 5’11 6-foot that’s big that can help underneath. That’s what they need because you’ve got Michael Michael and Marver prototypical outside receivers. And I I think people are going to be disappointed like not taking Jordan Tyson. Marvin Harrison Jr. deserves an opportunity to get right with a new coordinator. Yeah. I’m not I’m not in the camp of, hey, let’s move off of Marv. It’s like, no, I ain’t Marv with not Drew Petting. Uh, I want to read this because you sent this to me, this this transcript from Drew’s Drew’s presser earlier today. Somebody asked Drew, JG, this I’m paraphrasing here. This is to Drew Ping. JG said a similar thing that both of those fourth downs you got the looks you wanted, but is that concerning to you when an opposing coach says he knew parts of what was coming? And Drew Pine said in response, “No, not particularly.” So, not concerning when they know what we’re going to do on right on defense. Sniffing out your looks. They’re telegraphing where they’re going to go. Um text me. and he said he’s been watching some of the film and there’s some pretty crazy eye opening um things that he saw as far as especially that fourth in one play. So check out Teao_macki on Twitter. He’s going to post some of that breakdown. I’m interested to see it. You guys, I think will be very interested to see it as far as um the looks they were providing to this defense and how it wasn’t just those plays that uh it looks like the Bucks were prepared for. We got 330 people watching live right now and you guys have been unbelievable with your donations. I’ll give you an idea of of a mini scoop here at the end of the show if you’re sticking with us as it relates to what Bo just described disappointing with Drew Petting. One of the coordinators that the Cardinals are are looking at is a former head coach in the NFL. So, I I think you’re you’re going to be able to feel better uh about, you know, the direction of of that group um come January. But I take take solace in knowing like former head coach and and should be able to do better than I mean Teao posted a video today of like the worst play action of all time. Like nobody believes the Cardinals play action. So, uh there I promise everybody there are brighter days ahead for this franchise. But a lot of people want to see JG gone and um you know fortunately or unfortunately for for uh JG like that he’s he’s going to be sticking around for the people that want him gone. It’s just got to hope that he can he can figure it out with a new staff. What are you smiling about? Just uh Jacob’s got he’s just hitting Fernando every other every every every he’s spamming the chat and then Jacob Tacket thinks he uh sniffed out coordinator. He’s wrong. Chip Kelly. Gross. Not happening. Chip Kelly will be lucky to get another job in the NFL. He’s gonna be going back to He’ll be going back to Brian Hartline crushing it with Ohio State. He’ll he’ll be going back to replace Brian Hartline when he’s a head coach somewhere. Get to these super chats here. You guys are unbelievable. Over $1,000 worth of donations and four super chats today. So, we keep things going here. $10 rocker. Tony Valentino, my first super chat. Well, thank you so much, Tony. want to keep Jacobe beef up the O line next year. Why? I think Jacobe is going to be around. I think Jacobe is going to be running their offseason program. I mean, he’s a great mentor for a Dante Moore or Tai Simpson or Jaden or Fernando Mendo. He’s exactly what you want. But what comes with the expectations then of a rookie with with Jacobe and JG, I I just don’t think that’s realistic to be able to put like a playoff birth that it would just be so much easier to say, “Hey, Clint Kubak first year. Hey, Robert Salah, you got Jacobe, you got Dante Moore. Okay, like let’s just develop. Let’s let’s do this, right?” I’m I’m a little bit concerned on how that might look with a rookie. Yeah. I don’t think that there’s another gear. Like what you seen is what you get, right? 10 years in the NFL. This isn’t like Sam Darnold is finally figures it out and he’s this guy that uh is just pushing the ball down the field and is efficient. Like he’s able to push the ball down field. He’s able to operate this offense. He’s able to find big plays. But as far as like starting out fast, getting out to leads, and then really kind of operating the offense that you need, starting caliber level. I think it’s been proven that Jacobe is who he is. And it’s it’s a top tier backup. And I mean that in in the most complimentary way I can. He he is a great backup. He might be the best backup in the NFL. No. What’s up? We got a extremely generous donation from our boy Keith Davis. $100. You guys are unbelievable. Our total $1,127. Thank you so much. You guys are great. Blown away. We might have to figure out another thing that we can do since we’ve surpassed our goal of a thousand. Um, let’s think about it. You guys can put some uh suggestions in the chat and uh we want to continue to try to give back to you guys. It’s not going to nearly, you know, touch what you’ve done as far as your generosity today, but uh love to do something else. What do we got here super chatwise? How about Desert Vulture exactly, Johnny, what is the Cardinal standard? Losing right now their standard is losing and losing early and often. Bo, you put it well. It’s like the press conferences do not match the product that we see on Sundays. They lose almost every Sunday. And the press conferences are that of like, hey, we’re above this. Hey, it’s the Patriot way. It’s like, guys, you have the same amount of wins as the Jets from dating back to last season. It’s bad. Really bad. But again, like right now, they’re being enabled. Everybody on that staff, everybody feels great about Hey, I feel great about my my coaching job. I’m out of beer. Those were my last two beers. I had to pour one out. Mason jar. I did. I poured it out. I was like, this is gonna get warm. Two beers on a school night. Come on. What do you think? I Who do you think I am? Who do you think I am? J McDrinks? I can’t. We got another $50 from Funkmaster Peeps. Oh, wow. Thank you, Funk Master. I like this one from Hank Hill. At 1,200, you have to prank call Britain Golden. I do like that a lot. Uh, leave Britain alone. He has to put up with our nonsense. Uh, all right. We got Lamar Washington. A very generous $20 super chat. I’m starting to think this season was already planned out to sabotage Kyler Murray to get rid of him. And whatever team he goes to, I hope he have Arizona on the schedule to beat their ass and their rookie quarterback. Wow. I don’t think that’s was their intention because they’re going to lose coaches in the process. They’re going to be fired. Here’s Lamar Bo and I haven’t had a chance to sit down with Michael Bidwell or Monty Austin. We have spent a lot of time with Jonathan Ganon. Jonathan Ganon basically stuck his head coaching tenure reputation on Kyler Murray and it has not worked out but he but he has been and it’s not working out with JG right now but Ganon was all in Jonathan Ganon wanted the utmost continuity pet scene Kyler he just run it back run it back run it back at no point I promise you was JG like get rid of Kyler Murray and but right now like the guy who controls the roster I mean, like that’s inevitably not Jonathan Ganon. Dylan Richards with a throwback. We still don’t know what happened with Eno Benjamin. It’s true. That’s for people are asking. That was early PHNX Cardinals uh when we were doing HBO. We were watching, we would do post Cardinals hard knocks episodes of PHNX Cardinals and uh and Little Infant podcasters Johnny and Bo had the directors from each of those episodes on to kind of break things down. And for those who don’t know what Dylan is talking about, that director, the Tuesday episode was after Eno Benjamin was released on Monday. And there was nothing in the Tuesday episode about Benjamin’s release. And we asked the director just point blank, is there going to be anything about Eno Benjamin in the following week’s episode? And that director said yes. It’s shocking. And we followed up and we said it’s people are going to be shocked by what happened with Eno Benjamin. And the guy confirmed it. And now that we’re pretty far removed from it, I feel pretty comfortable saying we were reached out to by the NFL to remove that part of the the interview because they felt like they were misrepresented. And um they they didn’t like that that was said about the Inu Benjamin situation that um you know there’s reports about what happened but we never really kind of figured out what what happened with Eno and what led to his release. It’s like who cares? Cliff was gone, Eno is gone. Like come on HBO step up. It’s why nobody likes Hard Knocks now. Why Hard Knocks is unwatchable. No you guys are cutting your product. We’re trying to It’s like we do with the Cardinals. We’re trying to elevate you guys. trying to give you guys a platform, an opportunity, and they’re like, “Yeah, check out these next week’s episode.” And we watched it and it literally those episodes toward the end of the season put everybody to sleep. They were bad. Great job, Hard Knocks. Jonathan Castro, friend of the program. $20. Thank you so much, Jonathan. Love this show. Keep up the great work. Hold the line Mendoza style. I’m going to tell you right now, Cardinals in the top five and Tennessee’s got the first overall pick. The Mendoza dream doesn’t die until somebody trades up for him. So, we we’ll hold that line. I I anxious to hear Damon Dog’s opinion on if he likes Mendoza or not. Yeah. You love Mendoza. We got Shane Shane saying, “Uh, love you guys except Johnny. Hate that guy.” Interesting. Interesting stuff. We don’t have a lot of hate here. It’s nothing but love as we’ve raised as a community over $1,100 here for Big Brothers Big Sisters. Yeah. Uh Brian, I don’t know how he has a blue name. And he’s got a little wrench by his name as well. He’s a He’s a moderator. He’s a tool. Boom. Roasted. Where are we at with the donations? Uh Noah man, we are at $1,177. Wow. Unbelievable. Um, it really is. Do we do we sign off here? Uh, yeah, I think we do. I mean, we have Do we have anything else to give? We’ve gone uh nearly two hours on this show. Trevor Sikma, we’ll have the rest of that. We’ll have the full interview. And he really gets into this quarterback class. Ask him point blank, do we think that the Cardinals could be in striking distance, could be in a position to draft one of the top quarterbacks. His answer is fascinating. He talks about some of the QB prospects that we had available in our mock draft. Yeah. Um so you don’t want to miss the rest of Trevor Sikma, the best in the biz right there with our guy Fran Duffy as far as breaking down the NFL draft. Johnny. Yep. Tomorrow. We appreciate everybody. Tomorrow the return Baldy or Curt Warner. Kurt Warner. Kurt Warner. Baldy on Thursday. My god, what a gauntlet. What does Curt Warner think about the Cardinals current quarterback predicament? And uh can Jacobe Brassette make it out alive from the LA Rams and the Houston Texans in backtoback weeks? Uh what a day it’s been here on PHX Cardinals. As I return to my Tom Cruz roots here, we’ve been going live for almost two hours. All the right moves, Tom Cruz. No, risky business. Top Gun. Top Gun Maverick 100%. Man, you guys are unbelievable. For the kids, you guys have stepped up above and beyond. Want to remind everybody, we are barreling our way toward 50,000 subscribers here. I don’t look blind. I look cool and hip and like the young people, we are baring our way toward 50K here. So, do us a favor. Hit that subscribe button. Subscribe to PHX Cardinals wherever you get your podcast. We’re going to be doing, I know I say this a lot, we’re going to be doing a lot of audio only and membersonly content as the off seasonason approaches. We’re going to have everybody on this show. Diana Rousini, bam. Mark Arafo, bam. Trevor Sikma, bam. Lewis Riddick, bam. Mina Kim’s returning, bam. Everything and anything. Cardinals, we’re going to have every angle on it from a national and local perspective. You’re not going to want to miss out. So, the off season, I feel very confident, will be much more entertaining than the garbage slop that we got going on right now, though. But the garbage slop continues tomorrow. I’ll be out there. We’ll hear from Jacobe Brassette. Maybe we’ll get a Marvin Harrison Jr. sighting. We’ll certainly get an update on him and Walter Nolan, uh, his status with the knee injury. Uh, so much more coming from practice. Keep it locked on phx_cardinals on your socials, of course. We’ll be right back here. Brand new episode 4:30 with the Hall of Famer Curt Warner tomorrow on PHX Cards. [Applause] [Music]

Are the Arizona Cardinals entering the final days of QB Kyler Murray and offensive coordinator Drew Petzing? What’s the latest on the injury front with Marvin Harrison Jr.? Is it fair to expect Jacoby Brissett as the Cards QB1 in 2026? Who are the top NFL Draft quarterback prospects next year? Is Jonathan Gannon poised to get fired?

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