THEY TRIED: Does Chicago Cubs pursuit of Dylan Cease signal future moves?

THEY TRIED: Does Chicago Cubs pursuit of Dylan Cease signal future moves?

The Cubs tried. They tried to get Dylan CE. You are Locked on Cubs. Your daily Chicago Cubs podcast, part of the Locked On Network. Your team every day. You are Locked On Cubs, part of the Locked On Network. Now the number one sports podcast network. We are your team every day. I’m Matt Cozy. I’m a lifelong fan, taking my passion into a discussion with you on all things Cubs. Today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now, new customers can bet just $5. And if your bet wins, you’ll get $300 in bonus bets to use across the app. Download the FanDuel app today. Locked on Chicago Post host Joe George is my guest co-host today. Joe of course did postcasts uh for the channel right here on Locked on Cubs and you can currently listen or watch him on both Locked On Bears and Locked On Irish where he helps cover Notre Dame. Joe, I’m going to ask you more about that later in the show, especially when we do some Cubs Bears comparison shopping. But thank you so much for joining me today and uh what a nice addition to the channel this past spring and summer. Thank you. I appreciate that. It’s uh it was a lot of fun to do it. Uh you and Sam were were great to me and so are the listeners and the watchers. You know, it was it was incredible. Honestly, Matt, like you know, you know, I do this every day in some capacity, but like that first regular season game, there’s like 400 people watching live. I was like, let’s go. Like the vibes are here for the Cubs uh last year. And hopefully they’re back this year, but it was a lot of fun. And I mean, I’m ready. I’m ready to get back and doing it. Like I miss baseball. The Bears have helped and so have the Irish a little bit, but both those teams being good this year, but I’m ready to watch uh the starting nine once again here pretty soon. Yeah, because I remember you telling me the Cubs are like they’re they are your top team. Yeah. Yeah, they’re my number one team. Like it’s I grew up listening to WGN. Like that’s all my dad and I really listen to was listening to the games there. And I got my first job in radio at WGN. They weren’t there at the time. Uh they had just left. But it was such a cool, you know, experience like to be in the building and I I it’s just, you know, we’re going we were talking before we started like I’m going back to the Cubs convention this year. I can’t wait to go back to that. And yeah, with my dad, my my favorite memory of all time was even though they lost game three of the World Series, I got to go to game three of the World Series with my dad. It was awesome. So, yeah, the Cubs are always my my number one team. And I don’t get as stressed as Sam gets at times, but uh it’s uh they still stress me out too much. Yeah, most don’t. So, yeah. Uh yeah, I think we would get along really well. I’m I’m I’m hoping to see you at Cubs convention and uh and to talk to talk more. So uh we have a latest report here from Sahadev Sharma in the athletic Cubs reporter, him and Patrick Mooney teaming up there for many years. And I’m just going to read an excerpt, Joe, and then and then elaborate. So here I’ll give it to you straight. quote, “According to a league source, the Cubs were in on Dylan CE, but bowed out as the bidding reached the $200 million mark. CE eventually signed a 7-year, $210 million deal with the Toronto Blue Jays. A chunk of the deal was deferred, a practice the Cubs have avoided in recent years, but there appears to be a willingness to once again add a big money pitcher to the rotation. That’s a departure from recent off seasons as team president Jed Hoyer looks to follow through on his promise to make pitching his top priority this winter. Close quote. So Joe, that’s that’s the show. The show’s over. Yeah, I really enjoy that. And uh the Cubs they they tried to get Dylan Cease. They were in on him. They they they were going to spend a a nine figure amount until it gotten to a certain nine figure amount, but but I’m moving away from my sarcasm. Does this report do anything for you? I’ll just leave it open-ended to start. Uh my my initial response when I saw the headline was no. It was like no. Like we’ve heard this before. It was like it doesn’t do anything. We’ve we’ve heard this before and then they don’t spend. You know, it’s even last year, you know, you know, you could have kept Bellinger and had Kyle Tucker. Like, there’s no reason why you couldn’t have done that. And it would have been complicated, but you could have done it. The $200 million part does make my ears, you know, perk up a little bit because that does feel a little bit different than the reports we’ve had in the past that, you know, if they’re willing to go to 199 million, if if 200’s their cap, then, you know, maybe they they can be in this market. And we’ll see how it plays out. I mean, a lot of these teams don’t do the deferred money, and we’ve seen how like Blake Snell in previous years. They wait and they wait and they wait and they get these option contracts. And I think that’s what the Cubs are ultimately going to be hoping for is for someone to not get paid and then to swoop in at the last minute. But I do find it a little more encouraging because it’s just like the fact that they were in and there’s a number they were afraid of that I wish they would still go for it. It still feels a little bit different than past year’s reports. Yeah, it does. And I while I might not be as encouraged, I do think this is an indicator that we are going to get some move next week at the winter meetings. I I I still believe that’s that’s in I I I think Michael King is in the tier sort of by himself just because he didn’t pitch that much last year because of of injury, two separate injuries actually. but he has a potential ceiling to get to the so-called top tier of guys that are available. If there’s a breaking news alert next week and King signs with the Cubs, that makes the Cubs a lot better. The reason why I I’m not really that mo moved or motivated by this report is that type of dollar figure is not necessary to get King. And what’s their appetite for Framber Valdez, Ranger Suarez, Amay? You know, yeah, sure, they want to spend big bucks on a pitcher apparently, but there’s really no other person to do that on. So, if you really liked Dylan Cease, then again, we don’t know the exact separation. Um, but I think in principle, what you did is fair. Like, oh, instead of 210, you went 199. like what’s the difference? Um but if if they liked him so much, why not try to seal that deal? That’s why I’m not that moved by this. But in terms of their activity as the this week has moved along, I started to wonder is this going to be a winter meetings like 23? Um you would like if it was like 22 or 24 was really active. Uh and and so maybe because of this report I am I’m a little encouraged that way like oh they are going to get better next week. Not that it has to be next week. Um but it would be fun. Yeah. I I think the other part of the report though that stands out still is the deferred money part, right? That they don’t want to play that. That’s good to follow up on. Sure. So if if that’s what Dylan CE wanted to make the deal work because he doesn’t want to get, you know, Canadian taxes taken out of his paycheck for 81 games a year, then that’s part of the pool. And I think Chicago still has, you know, they still have some of those problems as well that players might look at the taxes in Chicago and say, “Hey, this is why I want deferred money because I want to be able to live somewhere else when I’m eventually getting paid and and get some more breaks.” If that’s part of it, I’m honestly I’m fine with that. Like I I think this deferred money stuff in general is garbage. I despise it. I I don’t like what the Dodgers are doing. I don’t like that the Blue Jays are doing this. Like I I don’t think it belongs in the sport. So, if the Cubs don’t want to play that game, I get it. Um but yeah, I’m with you. Like, it feels like something can happen next week. And now CE getting 210 did surprise me a little bit. Like, and that means I feel like Suarez, yeah, Suarez and Fber feel like they’re going to be in the same spot in that market. So, if you’re not going to go for now, maybe you do feel better about Frober, let’s say, than you do cease and you’re willing to go to 210 if there’s no deferred money. Well, I’ll believe that when I see it, but it it’s overall it’s it’s encouraging, but I’m with you. Like, Michael King still feels a little unsatisfactory. Like, it makes them better, but he’s not going to cost $150 million probably even, I would imagine, after these injuries. Maybe a hundred at the most if maybe a team reaches like that. probably in the 80s or 90s. Uh I I hope it’s just in that tier, Joe. Like it needs to be in the King tier or Alcantra. Uh other trade options, Gore Cabrera. Um you know, there there’s there’s others as well. Uh but it needs to be of that ilk. Like Zack Allen can’t be the guy. Uh he’s fine, but the Cubs really don’t need fine anymore. They need impact. Can I tell you real quick like I I don’t want Fran Valdez? Is it because of his character concern? He’s So, okay. So, for those that don’t remember, like I I host the radio show at ESPN Houston and so I’ve I’ve watched Framber up close and personal like for, you know, his entire career at this point. I’ve been on here for 11 years. Right. Right. He is an excellent pitcher when his mind is right. The the crossup thing that happened this year, I think that’s really overblown. I I think it was more of a communication issue. Like I don’t think it was the way it was portrayed is that but he is I would I think it’s it’s it might be harsh map but like I would call him a little soft when things when things unravel it really unravels. Like there are plays in which he’s got runners on base, base is loaded and there’s a little ground ball in front of him and he makes a disaster throw and like when he’s on his best Pomber is incredible. Sai young pitcher, but just sometimes like when it’s bad and that’s what I feel like this year was. He was bad because of the contract pressure and some guys bounce back from that, but I’m not I’m just not sure that Fromber post contract is a guy that I really want to see in Chicago before. Yeah, I I’m I’m tracking with what you’re putting down. Uh I Yeah, your perspective is the best one on that from being down there for so long. before they make an addition of some sort, which they will. What do you think of this group of Steel Boyd, Horton, Tyiona, Managa, Rain Assad? I think it’s the top two are really good. Uh I mean, I I’m a huge believer in Kate Horton. Obviously, he was incredible this last year. I think Steel, you know, might be a little bumpy coming back from Tommy John at first because everyone’s a little different when they come back from it or he could just be Steel right away. So, kind of a wild card I I think there, but I’m a firm believer in him as your number two guy. And that’s no disrespect to Justin Steel. It’s just I think is by far going to be the best pitcher on this team. Um I I like Tyion and and and Ray and and all those guys as and Boyd as you know your backend starters that can eat innings and pitch well at times, maybe not be super consistent. the the ultimate question to me becomes Ianaga, you know, like like who is he first half of the season or is he post injury Imanaga? Like who who is he? Can they fix his mechanics if that’s what you know that’s what they’re claiming it was? Like can they fix that his routine? Then I think you have a you know NLCS caliber rotation without adding I if if I still can bounce back. So I I think on paper I I really like it, but I I still would like to see them add in a big way to it. Absolutely. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s definitely necessary. I I am a little surprised by the metric view of that group. Uh Fan Graphs has them 19th best rotation. Um you know, I hope I hope the computers are wrong. I don’t know how else to say that. And I think adding someone will will definitely ease some of that uh concern and improve the projection. One player in that rotation, uh, Matthew Boyd, broke his own World Baseball Classic news on Wednesday, and we get to that next. Today’s episode is brought to you by Game Time. The World Cup is coming back to North America for the first time since 1994. And with 48 teams, for the first time ever, it’s going to be massive. Let’s be honest, getting tickets is usually the hardest part, though. That’s why Game Time is clutch. Game time app finally gives fans a real advantage when it comes to snagging seats. With Game Time, you can track price drops in real time. Get alerts when great seats open and buy tickets the moment they hit the app. It puts the power back in your hands and makes going to the World Cup realistic instead of impossible. You pull up the app and the layout makes it so simple to scroll through matchups and compare seat views. 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Pete Crow Armstrong is going to be his teammate. red, white, and blue already. Uh, he committed there. Uh, Nicoer still a possibility. And I think Michael Bush is probably an outside possibility. And beyond that, I think I’d be I’d be surprised, though. Boyd wasn’t on my radar for this, Joe. Uh, he racked up a lot of miles on his uh arm in 2025. The WBC is cool, but I do think I am becoming territorial with this news. Like, I’d rather him just stay at Sloan with the Cubs. Yeah, I think to as we’re looking at that rotation there at the end of the first segment, Ianaga might be pitching in the World Baseball Classic. Yeah, for sure. Of course. So, two of your five members with Canada. That’s That’s right. So, three of your five. I don’t like it. Yeah, I want to say like congratulations. That’s awesome. It’s such a cool thing to like represent your country. I am lucky enough that the World Baseball Classic will be playing in Houston, Texas. No team USA. Yes. And Team USA will be here. They’ve already said. So, I’m hoping if Boyd’s playing, I get a Boyd start with P with PCA in center field. Oh, that’s cool. But I don’t like it. I I don’t like that three of your five members of your rotation could be pitching in the World Baseball Classic. It’s just especially with Boyd and I know he said on foul territory that fatigue is not what got to him in that Brewer start in the playoffs. I’m going to call baloney on it because I thought he slowed down a lot last year. So, I think adding innings to this um makes me a little stressed out as a Cubs fan. I think you might have to do some six-man rotation. Um and I I’ll throw a curveball at you, Matt. Okay. You sure Kate Horton’s not going to make a roster? Like like if there’s a bunch of injuries or dropouts? Like are we sure they’re not going to want to highlight him in the bullpen or in some capacity? I I doubt it. But crazier things have happened in, you know, things like the Olympics and World Baseball Classics and stuff. So, I I I can’t I’m I’m really excited for the guys. Um it’s a really cool opportunity, but as a selfish fan, I don’t like it. Yeah. Yeah. And I don’t think fatigue was the at the top of the list for Boyd in the playoffs, but it was on the list. Yeah. He didn’t perform well, but but I it’s got to be a part of the the conversation. Um yeah, it it’s uh it it’s going to be exciting when it arrives just because it’s going to feel like the first real baseball in a while. Uh but yeah, I just I hope and not only the Cubs, but everybody uh stays healthy and gets out of there playing good baseball, but but getting out of there. Okay. Yeah. And I think part of it is like the last time we saw it, it we saw a major injury with Edwin Diaz. Was he I think he was celebrating and he tore his ACL. He did. It was in a celebration. Yeah. Jose Aluve missed three months of baseball because he broke his thumb. he got hit and and so that’s what even with PCA like it makes me a little nervous. Now some of those injuries they they can happen in spring training of course but it is if they come out healthy it’s it’s great. It’s just it’s it’s we got to watch intently I guess this year. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Uh one player who I don’t know if this is official but you man it just seems like a layup or a slam dunk to get the analogy better. uh that Kyle Schwarber would be on Team USA. Uh he is a free agent. He has been a Philly uh for for some time now. The Phillies, Red Sox, Mets, and others are also in the mix for Schwarber. But the others part of the sentence has gotten more interesting on Wednesday when Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic confirmed rumblings and now it’s a real report. The Reds are a legit player for Schwarber and that is exactly who the Reds need. Uh they have a infusion of young talent both on the position and uh pitching side. A lot of that progress hasn’t even hasn’t been linear or even close to it. Matt Mlan notably has struggled a lot uh on the pitching side. You know, there’s been a few guys who have been a little slower, but shoot, you look at Green, Leo, Abbott and the rotation, others, Da Cruz, obviously headlining the position side, uh they’re not only ready for the next step, but as I forgot recently and and my uh my my uncle Mike had to remind me on Thanksgiving, uh the Reds made the playoffs this year. They they they already made the playoffs. They’re a playoff team, so they’re absolutely looking for the for the next step. And Schwarber would be a massive addition for them and it would have so many implications for the rest of the Central. Yeah, it’s you got the Cubs who are losing Tucker, right? We’re all We all know it. Maybe they’ll add more. Um I like the first move they made with Monton. I think we’re all expecting like Freddy Peralta to get moved or it feels like he could get moved from the Yeah, there’s momentum there now. Yes. So, Schwarber goes to the Reds and it’s like, “Oh, this is a this is a real three team race, right, with the pesky Cardinals who, yes, they’re going to tear it down, it seems like, but you got the Pirates who’ve got a lot of young talent. It’s and the Reds I I don’t know if they become the favorite in the division from like the like the Vegas perspective, but gosh, Schwarber is perfect for that team. And it it’s whether and we’ve seen reports about the Pirates being interested too, which is a little strange to me, but I think the Pirates are going to make a big signing this winter. I don’t know who though. Yeah, I if I was college, I would say I’m not going to Pittsburgh, but I would choose Cincinnati of the two. But it it’s a great move for them and it’s it does I think add some pressure to the Cubs of like, hey, that’s a team that, you know, a guy that you made a mistake on and now he’s back in your division. He’s not playing for you. he’s playing for a team that’s on the rise. So, I I’m hoping the Phillies or Red Sox like step up here and and and keep them out of the Midwest. Um but that would be a big move for them. Yeah, the Brewers, Cubs, and Reds are the clear top three. Yeah, the Cardinals are stepping backwards, but right, the Pirates make it kind of an interesting fourth team. Best pitcher on the planet, plus other uh young pitchers. So yeah, just the Schwarber to the Reds would just make the division uh that much better and and add some some star power as well. And you still want to see it? Like you don’t want to see on a regular basis? No, I don’t want to see that. I don’t want that. No, I I You want to see him playing in a Red’s uniform at Wrigley? It’s just weird. No, pass on that, please. Yeah, please. Uh All right. Coming up next, we do a locked on Cubs and locked on Bears one segment crossover. We originally to give you some behind the scenes was going to be more um but there’s just so much in real time that’s happening, but we are going to do a segment on it. So, Bears or Cubs, who is closest to a championship? We tackle that, pun intended, next. Today’s episode is brought to you by FanDuel. NFL Sundays move fast. One big play and suddenly everything feels different. That’s what makes live betting with FanDuel so exciting. You’re not just watching the game. You’re reacting to it in real time. With FanDuel, you can place bets as the action unfolds. Every drive, every momentum swing, every highlight moment. Live betting is best when the game starts to shift. a receiver gets hot, a defense tightens up, or the momentum flips after a turnover. The Bears have gotten a lot of takeaways as a defensive group. They are a plus 6 and a half underdog at the Green Bay Packers this Sunday and 9 and3 Bears. You could get them at plus 6 and a half right now. Packers a minus 320 favorite. 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Uh it’s myself, Lauren Cox from the Daily Locked on Bears show and then uh Taylor Dah from Windy City Grid Iron and then we do a postgame show as well. And it’s a little bit different format. So there’s three of us on the postgame show as well. We go for a whole hour breaking down everything the three of us. So we’ll be here on on Sunday after hopefully the Bears beat the Packers uh and get that monkey off their back as well. Yeah, the channel’s growing and I think that those two shows are are a big reason why. Yeah, it’s been a lot of fun. Um, so the Cubs were were just uh one win away from the Final Four, five away from the World Series. I mean, you could do that all day, but you know, kind of doing the math like that. Um, you know, hopefully they can capitalize on whatever momentum that exists there in 2026. Uh, and it just it it it’s difficult. It’s difficult to to even make a final four. That’s why I when I look back on the 2010s, I do it with so much fondness of not only the World Series win in 16, but they made the final four in 15 and 17. The Bears though are operating in a wide open NFL. It maybe the strangest year I could remember. I don’t even know if there’s a Super Bowl favorite. And so in this year that’s just maybe wide open, uh it it just seems like they could do damage and it might really be a if it’s not already a special year, man, it might be really special for them in in January, February. Yeah, I I’m with you. Like I think the Rams are even though the Panthers lost was weird for them this weekend. Stafford throws an interception for the first time after throwing like 27 straight touchdowns without one. I think the Rams are the the are the top dog, but it does feel like the NFC and the AFC is wide open. Like who the Chiefs might miss the playoffs this year and Patrick Mahomes has been in the AFC Championship every single game every single year since he became the starting quarterback. Yeah, I I think the Bears if they get there, especially if they can get home field in any capacity, like at least one home playoff game, it feels like anything’s possible this year with Ben Johnson just because it’s such a weird weird year in the NFL. Um, I hope so. Like I I hope they at least get as close as the Cubs. So I would say like one playoff win would be nice. So that would be the that would be the analogous to the Cubs run. Yeah. Like one wild card round win maybe two maybe get like I don’t know if you have to get to the NFC Championship game this year. So when one game at least um would be awesome. But if they get a buy, like it could be like if they get the one seed, it could be one win and get you in the FC title game. It’s strange. It’s crazy. Yeah. Doesn’t it feel so absurd to say things like that? Yeah, it does. I I I’m trying to soak it in, take it week by week. It does feel like every week is almost a season in itself. I’ve heard some 25 Bears to 15 Cubs comparisons. I’m starting to warm up to that. Um, man, it just seems like right now, and I know it’s it’s it is recency bias and also the calendar is on the Bears side, but the Bears are closest to a championship. What do you think? Yeah. Okay. So, I think when when you asked me and said we were going to do this, I was like, “Okay, let me think about it.” I think there’s there’s like three things that I I wanted to look at. The first one, okay, that is in the Bears favor is, as you just said, there’s no Dodgers in the NFL. Like that’s a check in the behemoth. Yeah. Like the the Chiefs are good, but there’s no Dodgers and they’re in the AFC, so like even if they rebound this year and make it, like you don’t see them until the Super Bowl if you met a magical run. So there’s no Dodgers that helps. Um I think I don’t think the Bears are really going to do that this year. I do think oper I think ownership wise while we we started talking about chasing down cease and things like that I think the Bears are going to go out and acquire someone of like Trey Hendrickson’s skill set this off season that’s a check in the Bears box like I think their owners are going to spend frustrates me because the Cubs should be spending way more money because there’s no salary cap and then I think the ultimate question what it comes down to is your MVP hopeful player like Kyle Tucker’s gone. If Pico Armstrong can be the first half of the year PCA, then that can give the Cubs the advantage over the Bears. If Caleb Williams can, you know, be a top 10 quarterback in the NFL, I think that gives the difference because I think PCA is like that level of player where he can be the reason why you get to a World Series and then Caleb Williams can obviously be the reason why you get to a Super Bowl. So, feels like the last one is it’s just which superstar emerges as a superstar first and that team probably wins the title first. I would love if Pete got to that those heights, but if if you’re telling me that Caleb Williams at became a top 10 quarterback, then it’s not even it’s not even close. And the Bears have have that side of the argument. Yeah, I’m like I’m taking Caleb there. And it’s not I mean, respectfully to Pete, it’s just not even not even in the same same ballpark. Yeah, because if you know, bottom of the ninth inning, Pico Armstrong might be left on deck, you know, to to hit the gamewinning home run where Caleb, as we’ve seen this year, he’s at his best down in the fourth quarter basically, which is right. It’s it’s like he just he’s going to have the ball in his hands guaranteed versus PCA might be left in the dugout. I’m just so glad that Caleb has progressed to the point where like we’re even floating that out because it was looking hairy there and and it still is in some ways for sure. Um but he just there’s there’s there’s also too many encouraging signs to be ignored. Yeah. I I think you’re you know it’s it’s the good with the bad, right? And and that’s why PCA are such a a comparable player right now. Like Caleb’s inaccurate and PCA swings and misses at things that are going to hit him in the kneecaps. Like it’s just like there’s some really And then there’s the explosive moments that are just so incredible from both these guys that and it’s just it feels like one of them has to figure it out first. And you know, as I was thinking about this, Matt, I just it also feels like we’re in this opportunity now as Chicago sports fans to be in like maybe the most superstar, you know, condensed era of the sport with those two guys and then like you factor in like Conor Bernard. Yeah. Like you got it’s those three those like you have three really special players at one time. So amazing. I think the Bears are are closer, but I think the Cubs can change that next week. Like like they could go get Ranger Suarez. And even though I said I’m kind of anti- Frober, like they get Fromber, I’m probably going to put my Homer hat on and and feel a little different. So, please catch Joe the rest of the way on Locked on Bears. And he does radio every day. It’s his job literally on ESPN Houston, 3 to 6 central. What’s the FM frequency on that? What can we listen online? Uh 97.5. And then we have an ESPN in Houston, our own app as well. So, if you type in ESPN in Houston, it pops up. Um, so if you want to hear me yell and defend Notre Dame, if you’re an Irish fan against all the UT fans down here, I’ll be there for you. Hey, Joe, it was a pleasure. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks, man. It was great. Nice to catch up. All right, catch Sam back here uh solo on Friday. He’s Joe George. I’m Matt Cozy. This is Locked on Cubs. Go Cubs.

Matt and Joe react to reports of the Cubs making a run at Dylan Cease and why it could be encouraging. Plus: Matthew Boyd joins Team USA, Kyle Schwarber might sign with the Reds, and which team is closest to a championship: Cubs or Bears?

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