Are we seeing cracks in the Miami Heat’s new offense? | Five on the Floor

Are we seeing cracks in the Miami Heat’s new offense? | Five on the Floor

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[Applause] Welcome to Five on the Floor, a daily insider show on the Miami Heat and the NBA featuring Ethan Skolnick, Greg Sander, Alex Toledo, Brady Hawk, and others from the Five Reason Sports Network. Also, make sure to subscribe to Off the Floor for the most heat anywhere. [Music] I’m on the floor. Here’s today’s floor plan. We’re going to talk about the Heat offense stunningly. Uh I know that’s been a big topic of conversation throughout the first what are we at now? 22 games of the season. So 60 to go. They got 60 to go and now we don’t know who’s going to play in Orlando on Friday night. Uh Tyler Norman Powell both questionable. Both questionable. Paulo Beno questionable for Orlando, but that’s actually an upgrade from where he’s been. He’s missed the last 10 games. There’s been a lot of debate in Orlando about whether they’re better without Paulo, which is interesting conversation. We’ve had those conversations about Tyler and others uh over the years. Remember without Wade? That was a good one. So, we will get into uh that game as we go forward here Friday night in Orlando. They got two games in Orlando over a span of five days. Uh the second one’s for NBA Cup uh semi-final appearance and trip to Vegas. This one doesn’t have quite the same importance, but actually the winner of this game will, I believe, be in first place uh in the South in whatever the heck this division is. Nobody cares. Uh the Southeast division, but the teams are kind of good at the same time, which has not typically been the case over the past, say three decades. But Greg, there was a podcast that came out. I got Greg Sander. You can follow me at Greg Savand. I’m Ethan J. Skolnick or Five Reason Sports or wherever you want to find me. And there was a podcast that came out and I Here’s the question. I don’t know when this was filmed and recorded. Um Norman Powell was on with Bam Adabio on Old Man and the Three, which used to be JJ Reick’s podcast. Right. You’re right. But now it’s actually Cam Johnson’s podcast, but Cam Johnson was not there. So, this is uh this is the the host who used to host with Reic, and I don’t remember his name. I apologize, but anyway, it gets in deeper parts of basketball. Well, it’s kind of like M mind the game a little bit, which is the podcast that that LeBron was breezy praising Spolster and the Heat on. Um, and he he does that podcast with Steve Nash. But this it came out today. And again, I don’t know when this was recorded because remember Powell and Bam did other group dual appearances together. They were on the Amazon set at one point on the West Coast. So, I I I wish I knew when this was cuz maybe that would add some context, but there were a lot of clips that were pulled from it today and some it’s worth looking at. Uh, some of them were were were kind of funny. Um, you know, Bam making fun of how bow-legged Norm is the first time that he saw him when he came off the bench in Portland. You can see their relationship has gotten very close very quickly, which is nice to see cuz the last relationship with the last guy seemed to get very cold over time. So, it’s good to see Bam smiling with someone again. Um, and there were a bunch of other clips. There was a clip about how Bam hated Spolstra when he first was playing for him, but thank God for UD, who kind of got him to understand, you know, Spo and all of that stuff. So, that was a good clip. But the clips that are getting the most attention are about the offense. and Norm and Bam had gone on the Amazon set and basically talked up the offense in this one. They’re both kind of I wouldn’t say expressing reservations about it, but certainly looking for a tweak to it. And what’s interesting is it’s the same tweak that Tyler spoke about at a presser, but when Tyler speaks about it, it’s like a five alarm fire and he’s being selfish. But when others speak in basically the need for more pick and rolls. Uh but when Norm talks about it, it’s not. Um uh and I’m just curious for your thoughts on it because I I unearthed a couple stats today. Not I unearthed, I just looked them up. Uh Bam is averaging his fewest assists. The Heat are averaging the most assists they ever have in the Spolster era. They’re up a full five assists per game from last year. four 14% increase. They’ve gone from 14th in the league to second in the league in assists. And yet Bam’s assists are the lowest since he was a reserve in his second season behind Hassan. Okay, we only started 28 games. And Tyler’s assists are his lowest. It’s five game sample size. It’s small. Lowest since his rookie season. So, the two guys who been the fulcrums of the offense independent of Jimmy are gathering are are are recording fewer assists than ever pretty much in an offense that is recording more. Just off the top before we get to the comments, do you have a problem with that? Do you see that as a potential problem? No. Cuz if you look at the cumulative total of the team, they’re they’re averaging way more assists. And like I guess I would challenge anyone who does see it as an issue because I think it like what it is alluding to is are you maximizing all your best players and are is everybody maximizing their skill sets I guess is part of that question. And I guess I would just say like DaVon is what top 12 in assists? Is he eighth? He’s he’s somewhere in the top 10. He’s in the top 10. Yeah, he’s in the top 10. and and and by the way, his turnovers are are meager. So, yes, the assist turnover ratio has been excellent. What I would say, has there been another season where we’ve had a guy who’s top 10 in the league in assists on average where the assists had to get divided up in a way where we’re getting more of them, but just bam and Tyler’s percent to the total assists have gone down. I I think a part of it is right the offense is read and react and everybody has their own opportunity to make a play and so they’re not running the same sets as they were before. So inherently that might say that some of the guys who used to be the facilitators are not always the facilitators now. I think what puts the magnifying glass on this is that the players are starting to talk about that and what the implications are. But Bam said it best and I have the comments up here. It’s a minute 27. I don’t know that we want to go through Norm’s comment because it was long- winded and some of it was just um pretty much what he would say to the media, frankly, about like getting to all the spots and playing into the strengths. But he did say things about watching film and seeing all the pick and rolls and then there being less. But then there’s a smaller clip of Bam that has gotten people a little more rubbed the wrong way where he kind of talked about he’s the guy who has to always kind of get in where he fits in and sacrifice and be the one to do that because if Norm or Tyler are going off that’s just the way the game’s going. So there’s two quotes there. But my and I’m not going to play him yet because I want to answer your question directly. I guess I would just say if the offense has changed this much, shouldn’t we expect there to be new statistical trends? And if it is equating to the overall team being above where they were in all the prior years, isn’t that enough to say that what’s working is working? Bam said we’re on fire right now. I can’t really say anything about that. Like he I’m paraphrasing, but that’s why That’s why I’m curious. That’s where we’re going. But but Greg, that’s why I’m curious when this was recorded because they have not been on fire offensively for the last week plus, right? And I know people are attributing that to someone’s return. Right. Right. Not not everybody is us where literally we don’t show prep and we just post a podcast with bad audio. Uh that every everybody else takes their time. So I if this was recorded two weeks ago, yes, they were on fire offensively. They they haven’t been off on fire offensively lately. I’m going to play devil’s advocate a little bit. I’m not saying that I completely disagree with you, but right now and again, tiny sample size for Tyler. Right now, Bam is seventh on the team in assists. Tyler is ninth. Tyler went through an entire game without an assist. Bam had one in the loss to Dallas. Okay, they had a bunch of assists as a team. Sometimes assists are dependent on your teammates actually making shots. And a lot of the Heat players did not make shots. But this is why I do think it could become an issue going forward. I want your you want your better passers to be making some of these plays. DaVon is one of their better passers. I don’t have an issue with that. Andrew Wiggins having more assists per game than Bam is not a good thing in my view. Okay. I think Andrew Wiggins having more assists than Tyler, again, small sample size, is not a good thing because Andrew Wiggins is not a strong passer. He’s not. That tells me that the ball, and I’ve looked at the usage numbers, too, and they’re interesting, but like that tells me that the ball is in his hands too much. He’s making too many decisions. He’s averaging three assists a game. It’s not a huge total, but it’s more than the other two guys. Okay. Pella Larson averages 3.5 assists per game. Tyler’s averaging 2.2. too. I don’t think that’s a great thing either. I I Pella has a great skill set. He’s a connector and all that sort of stuff, but this is telling and it’s not just Look, Norm has never been a high assist guy, okay? But Tyler has been. Okay. Oh, yeah. And Bam is is a I mean, come on. Like that’s one of his greatest skills as a player is when he can facilitate particularly up top. Like you know the vision seeing guys cutting back door stuff that he can do with the dribble handoff. We know it all. Like I understand that it’s a shock to everyone’s system that they’re playing so differently. And um I mean people were going as far Ethan as to say I got a couple texts today. I’m not gonna name no names that kind of called out Bam as looking a little selfish by calling out like I don’t have a problem with what he said his need to sacrifice and I’m with you on that. I didn’t I didn’t take it in the way that others may have. I just think if the offense is humming like we just have to look at the season in total and I don’t I think we can’t just take the last three games and then make this the new sample size. We have to look at the in totality they’re better offensively. So unless this trend becomes a real trend and we have to ask ourselves, is three games a trend? The the the trend line that’s a little weird is that if it coincides with Tyler returning, what does that mean? Um but for me, I have to see. Right. But it’s also it’s also been this way, Greg. Right. But Greg, it’s also been this way when Tyler’s been off the floor. That that that’s the other part of this. And I and some of this well two of the games Tyler’s played Norm hasn’t both against both of those were against a very good defensive team which was Dallas. Same scenario. So that mucks things up a little bit too. And the Heat missed a ton of open looks. That first half they had a lot of open looks. They they missed open looks. So that changes the equation here. But here’s what on the other side of this. All right. I want to talk about it for Bam and Tyler specifically because I have concerns related to both of them with this even though I don’t have a problem with Bam’s comment. Bam’s comment to me feels more like a shot to the bow of the media and the public that’s going to criticize him for not scoring as many points because what he he added to it by saying well maybe I’ll get 18 instead of 20 but it’ll be 18 and 13 instead of 20 and 10. So I don’t feel that’s as much a shot at spo. I feel like that’s for the buzzards who are circling. Barry and Spo are so much past shots at each other. Jesus. Right. Well, but I think it’s more a shot at like forms like this and Twitter who start getting on BAM for like low shot games and all that. And I I actually the assist thing to me jumps out to me more than the scoring. I agree. Let’s we’ll get to that on the other side because it feels to me like Bam’s not being used the same way and I don’t know if there’s diminishing returns when we talk about that. And the Tyler part, you go through an entire game without an assist with the ball and I know the ball didn’t he said the ball didn’t find him against Dallas and that’s true. I watched some of it back but no assist the entire game. I I didn’t feel he was a ball hog in the game. So what’s happening there? Like it’s just miss shots. So we’ll talk about that on the other side. All right. we tell you about the SPRO uh recently. I’m gonna say for this one, Greg, uh you should see the the uh the copy on this that that I have not read. Um well, I sent it to you, did I not? I I Yes, you did. I did. Carry on. I did. I did. Send you have uh but this isn’t another longer waiting room, no pharmacy lines, just a quick online visit. This is one of those times where my internet unfortunately does not fail. And once approved by a licensed medical provider, that’s important. Blue Chu sends the shoes straight to your door. 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I You know what? I’m letting you handle this. No. Anyway, on a postgame show live tomorrow. I’m not as good at those as you as you are. People in the comments are like, “Oh, look at Greg’s going to trudge through this ad read again.” Tomorrow be there. Uh what what time? Uh they play at 8, right? They play at 8 in Orlando tomorrow night. I think Orlando is usually a seven. I’m not Yeah. Yeah. I have to I have to check that out. My daughter has a play tomorrow night. And so, uh Greg is handling postgame. She’s in Beetlejuice four times over seven days. It’s like a backto-back schedule like the NBA. Yeah. So, I won’t I won’t be covering your hand. All right. So 9 So 9:30 tomorrow, Greg will be doing that live. Actually, you’re going to do one of the other scripts. Anyway, um let’s get to let’s get to Bam. Okay. I I don’t love the fact that his assist numbers are down. I I don’t and I know people are saying in the aggregate you’re better. There’s more spreading of the wealth here and all the rest of this, but I just feel like this leads to him getting forgotten on offense. If the number I mean he’s played there’s a sample size here. It’s not Tyler’s sample size. It’s there’s a sample size here with B. He’s played a lot of games this year. He didn’t miss a little time. So that I mean lowest since his second season in the league when he was whitesides backup and too extreme, right? And if it was if it was accompanied by higher scoring totals, better field goal percentage, then I’d be like, “All right, he’s not as much of a facilitator now. He’s more of a play finisher, but his scoring average is down. His He’s shooting under 47% from the field, I think. So, not terrible, but it’s not it’s not like he’s shooting 53% and he’s averaging 22 and a half. He’s averaging 19 on I think 46 47% shooting. And more of it is coming from the perimeter where he’s been about 35 36% from three on pretty decent volume this year. So, I’m not saying he’s playing poorly offensively. That’s not it. But I just think, look, you get to the playoffs, the rotation’s going to get shorter. You would hope Spo’s going to play Bam more minutes. We can have the wear conversation, but it’s always been an issue for us that he doesn’t play Bam enough in the playoffs, right? He he cuts him at 34, 35 sometimes where like 40 minutes. It’s no backtobacks. Just play Right. Exactly. Okay. Which means they’re going to have to play Bam and wear together by the way. uh more if that’s gonna be the case. But if you’re short into an eight or nine man rotation in the playoffs and you’re f Bam’s going to be more of a a fulcrum in a lot of ways, I don’t love him, you know, having these few assists, especially when the Heat have shot well for the most part and their overall pace numbers are up. H how are the pace numbers up so much and his assists are so far down? I that’s this I agree with you because you know what else is down and they talked about it in the pod that he and Norm was on his lobs are down too. Yes. Yes. So it’s like this is where I agree with you. it. The assists are more concerning, but but the only downside to this offensive change is that I think they need to be very careful that they make sure that what they’re doing is sustainable and not just trendbased um reliant upon good shooting. Like they have to have other things that work other than just defense and good shooting. They have to be able to win games that get mucked up late. And Bam is one guy that you actually can get a bucket in the mid-range from. And he can also facilitate others to get buckets. And if this offense continues to trend in this direction where he doesn’t have the ball in his hands, I think it does beg the question of also like are you going to max and he’s worth every penny of his max for what he does on one side of the floor, best in the world, but if he’s not involved offensively and and the numbers are going down and one of his skills that we know is really good in passing is not being maximized, you have to ask yourself, are you maximizing your best player? Right. And well, if we say he’s his best player, which I know some will dispute, but as a two-way player, he should be, right? I mean, because he’s he’s ca let’s put it this way. He’s capable of things def uh excuse me, defense. We know he’s capable of things offensively that Tyler’s not capable of defensively, right? That’s always been how we’ve differentiated as who the best player on the team is when it wasn’t Jimmy. And he’s more elite at what he’s elite at. Right. Exactly. So, not right, not a knock to Tyler, but Bam has the capability to be an elite 2-way player at times. He just has not been consistently. Uh, but there’s been moments where he has been, and that’s one of the the concerns. All right. So, let’s pivot off of him then to Tyler. And I I always start this by saying what he’s done to me is remarkable to to jump on a moving train and have the efficiency numbers that he has. He’s shooting over 50% from the floor. Okay? you know, 52 or something like that. He’s averaging the same amount of points as he did last season. So, he joins a team that’s already humming. People know obviously that, you know, he’s going to be the the center of attention from the public and the and the media and and and obviously social media and he’s performed well for them. He had he kept them in the game last night. There was nobody else who had anything going but where. Okay. And and Hero had 20 in the first half. then he didn’t score in the second half. And I come back to the assists thing here. I I don’t think he’s not an intentionally selfish player. So, let’s stop with that. All right. But I do think we’ve seen some adjustment issues. I think more from the team to him than from him to the team. I I I feel like they don’t want to step on him in some ways and there’s a certain difference that’s going on here and it doesn’t look completely comfortable. And then opposite for plan is having to adjust more than anyone else. Tyler is adjusting less and people are adjusting to him. People are adjusting to him. I don’t know that that’s what he’s intending, but that’s see that’s what it looks like. All right. And again, there’s caveats here. There’s Norm not being in there with him for two of the games. So, it’s right back to where it was last year, right? Where he doesn’t have, you know, another elite shooter playing with him. And then Spo has staggered them a lot. Um, you know, nobody complained about the starting lineup when they were blowing out the Clippers. Okay. Right. But then, you know, and Tyler was their best plus early in that game, by the way. Wasn’t by the end, but he was at the beginning. So, I I just it’s been clunky. I don’t think we can’t argue it has been. And so, people are like what I always say causation is not correlation is not causation. I always say it wrong. There’s a certain element is there’s just a group on social media that wants to blame Tyler for everything. And so him coming back and the offense gets clunky and I’m like, well, it’s clunky when he’s off the floor. Also, there has been uh some adjustment. There’s been some regression to the mean. Fonteo has shot the ball horribly lately. Um he was shooting over 50% for like the first half of his appearances. He’s down to 37% for the season, which tells you what he’s been at lately. Okay. Uh there other shooters, you know, DaVon is at 40 close to 38 40 39%. We’ve talked about him, but he doesn’t shoot a high volume of them. Yeah, but not high volume. And Larson has shot about as well as we could have expected him to shoot, right? But their other shooters, you know, I mean, Bam’s been okay from there. Wear has been I I think their second best percentage three-point shooter, which is amazing, remarkable, and I just I don’t know what to make of him because it’s just he either looks like the best player in the world or completely lost depending on the moment. Um, but I I just I I come back to this. It hasn’t looked quite right. I don’t think it’s all Tyler’s fault. I do think circumstances have played into this, but him saying the ball didn’t find him and then again, he had no assists for the entire game, I just think it bears watching. Okay. And I I think that the the other point here is that Speeds there’s going to have to be an adjustment. Okay? He’s not trying to set a record for the fewest pick and rolls in history. Like that’s not what he’s setting out to do. I keep saying, we’re not trying to reinvent the wheel, right? This is not it. He knows there are adjustments coming. He also knew, and I think people are are deemphasizing this. He knew he wouldn’t have Tyler at the start of the season, which I believe was as for as many coaching meetings as they had where they decided they need to do something different. I think this expedited this because they needed to play, right? They needed to play a certain way without Tyler because they were heavy dependent pick and roll, right? And they were right. So they needed to get more guys involved. So now it’s like, okay, we’re, you know, we went from heavy heavy heavy pick and roll, right? This crazy number of pick and rolls to nothing. And now I think there is, you know, a little bit of sort of movement towards the middle. And I do think that Bam in particular, but Norm and Tyler should have the credibility with Spolstra and the others are doing this to say, listen, we need to mix in a little bit more. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the players doing that. I don’t think this is a crisis situation, but they’re going to have to run some pick and roll in the playoffs, Greg. Like, they you can’t this ISO stuff, right, is not going to work against some of these teams when they have they have time to lock in on it. The best teams in this league are going to slow you down because we’ve seen, listen, if you’re a Heat fan, you have seen so many great players and what do they do at the end of the biggest games ever? They walk the ball up the court because they want to basically lull you to sleep and shoot up over the top of you or get to the rim and end ball games. And so ultimately that’s how the game’s going to end up in the Eastern Conference Finals if you’re, you know, in the trenches. It’s not going to be up and down, up and down, up and down. So diversifying this is going to be part of it. And I think Bam has talked about having to adjust and sacrifice. Tyler is adjusting and they’re adjusting to him. So, we got to see a little bit more of it through. But I think that we need to give Spolstra enough credit to one change the offense the way he did, but now and people have criticized him for his not only his in-game adjustments, but his failure to and failure is a strong word especially. I was looking I heard that Giannis quote again about failure. It’s just the best. Yeah. Anyway, it is. So, not failure, but his um reluctance to maybe on the fly make adjustments to scheme. Um we’re gonna have to see him flex those muscles a little bit. He’s the best coach in the world. That’s not the worst thing. It’s not the worst thing that they work out some of this stuff early in the season. That That’s where I’m at with it. Like to to and and look, they’re going to see defenses better than Dallas is in the playoffs. And also, those defenses are going to have time to scout them game after game after game. And you’re right, it’s a great point. When the Heat have needed baskets, when they’ve been good, okay, and they’ve had that guy at the end of games, Dwayne slowed that down. Okay, LeBron slowed it down. Jimmy slowed it down. Okay, that’s that’s how this this works, right? This it’s And they don’t have that guy to do that. They don’t. Tyler’s not that guy. Norm is not that guy. Bam is not that guy. Wiggins, I don’t want him dribbling or passing a lot, right? Just the other stuff. The other stuff is good. The athletic stuff, the slashing, the gets in a rhythm, the defense, I’ll take all of it. But the No, no, no. The the dribbling and the passing. Ethan, that’s that guy. Okay. And look, we’ll do more episodes about that, but I’m just saying like you like this stuff is fun to get you through a regular season, but they’re going to have to come they’re going to have to work that stuff so that it’s still fresh. And look, one of their best actions and it hasn’t been for a while, but if you go back two or three years was the Tyler Bam pick and roll. It was one of their best action actions and then then the metrics on it like fell off a cliff. Um I they know how to play together. I also think the Tyler Wear back pick and roll uh is could be very very effective. I think one of the things that Tyler’s adjusting to and Brady mentioned this is that Tyler became very good he didn’t get credit for this but he became very good at developing counters to doubles and one of the things is especially when he got trapped out on the perimeter where he takes the step back so it gives him a little bit more space to find someone as as a passer. so much better than he was when he was young. But he’s not getting played like that right now because the Heat offense is not such that they’re putting that kind, right? So, so he’s not even getting to use those counters which sometimes led to those assists. So, I am not throwing him out on the assist train because of five games. Okay? It’s just alarming when he went through an entire one with zero and it has looked a little bit like he’s not finding guys quite the same way he did. And that may just be an adjustment. Look, it’s like it’s to a certain degree it’s like a quarterback comes back and has to figure out how to read the defenses again and he’s playing with a different wide receivers than he played before and different tight end and all the rest of that. There’s a little bit of an acclamation process. So, I give him credit for what he’s done so far, but if he’s averaging 2.2 two assists going forward. That’s a problem. It it just it’s not that that’s not where he should be. He needs to with an offense with this pace, he needs to be four plus. Okay. Honestly, it needs to be higher. He needs to be at his career average. Right. Right. That’s that’s where I’m at with it, too. And it doesn’t mean that you don’t want DaVon making decisions. You do, but I I don’t want making so many. Right. His are fine. But Wiggins and Larson, I I I would be okay if those came down a little bit. Drew averages three. Drew’s averaging more than Tyler. Okay. So, it’s again ninth on the team. Bam’s seventh on the team. That’s not where they should be. That then that that is somewhat assist point per game off the top of your head is impressive. More impressive that I got through that ad. All right. Uh Greg, appreciate it. Uh follow me at Greg Sander Bluetooth. Check out the code right here in the description. And also, of course, prize picks. Use the code FIV.

After Tyler Herro — and now Norman Powell and Bam Adebayo on a podcast — essentially called for more pick-and-rolls, and with the Heat coming down to Earth some offensively, is it time for Erik Spoelstra to make some tweaks? Ethan Skolnick and Greg Sylvander discuss.

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