How Far Can Maple Leafs Push Dennis Hildeby? | Real Kyper & Bourne
The real Kipper and Born Show Leaf edition hour of our program and more importantly on time which Sammy on time our boy Sammy I mean, at the end of the day, he’s a producer, right? I mean, he’s with us. Yeah. He likes to think of himself as talent, but he’s a producer. Okay. And he produced the other day a 4:15ish start because there’s a Toronto Blue Jay press conference that will push us back 15 20 minutes. Mhm. So, seven minutes too, I get a full panic text and call. I I panic strong. I do it strong. I just was saying that we’re getting on a little Listen, I if Derek could get the beeping ready, I would like to throw Ryan Fabro straight under the bus. If we could get the beeping going on here. Yeah. Uh beep beep. But no, there we go. Uh we thought we’d go a little longer, but guess what? We’re right on time in a full hour to talk about a one- nothing hockey game and all in funeral attire today. Look at the boys in all black. What happened? Nick Krios, Justin Bourne, our very own Sammy McKe, Frank the Tank, Derek Brandeo. We’re good to go here. Here’s what uh text Fabro and he said, “Sorry, bad producing on my behalf. Thought it would drag with three guys up there talking, including Boris.” He says, “They say that about you guys.” So, he feels really bad about it. Um, did did you like the press conference? Was it super exciting? I I think I I think transactions are really exciting and I think there’s a lot of stuff said in that about how far Toronto the baseball market has come as a attractive spot. So I would say like you know having the most powerful agent in the sport up on stage with Dylan CE and Ross Atkins talking at length about how great the Blue Jays are as an organization. I don’t think that can hurt. So throwing the cash around. Yeah. I I mean maybe Scott Boris could have gone in there and got the final two outs of the World Series for us and I wouldn’t have to cry every night about it, but it was it was an exciting press conference. I liked it. Good things for the Toronto Blue Jays. So yeah, the Dylan CE was very serious and short about the team getting the most out of him and him getting to work. I liked it. 200 million 210 sevenyear 210 210 money like what have you heard about the city? He’s like, “Oh, you know, I talked to Kevin Gosman. He said it’s great and all the boys say it’s great.” Like I heard they’re paying me 210 million. Like he’s like, “Yeah, I think he would.” Did they mention anything about traffic at all? I think Well, or is it great in LA? What is traffic good? Going to go like, “What city in the in the major leagues?” Don’t play with the Brewers. You’re laughing. Ours is worse than LA’s. No, ours is the worst in North America. Is it? I think worse than LA. Worse than LA. I think so. Potholes. I don’t think LA has potholes like we do. Giver, you came in today, blew in hard like the traffic today. The traffic. I’m like, “Why was it that I did have to drive through it today.” Did you? I did. Was it five minutes from there? No. No. I had a I had a meeting. Oh, yes. And I had to actually use the Dawn Valley parking lot. Oh, I mean, today would be probably the worst possible. Not fun. Not fun, but that’s okay. Yeah, cuz we had fun last night. The Jays win again. Uh, Leafs. Oh, did I say the Jays? Oh, god. Just used to the Jays winning. I am. See what Sammmyy’s done to me. I know. He’s turning me into baseball. Leafs win again. Yes. Uh, did you guys get the picture of my lamb chop? I did. Lamb chops and asparagus. It looked like you were having a nice time in the alumni box. If we can break down that picture. The interesting part of that was tater tots. Yes. Weird. I was like, “Wow, this looks wonderful. Classy. Beautiful.” Trailer Park. Dynamite in there. Can only go with the baby soft potatoes so often. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. So, you went over to the kids table and got the tots. I did. Had a boy. I did. All right. Uh, where do we want to start off of last night? Big picture back in the race. You want to break it down to the Hilda Beast or JB, I’ll let you start. Well, that is a good question. Uh, standings are probably we could leave that sort of talk for later. Let’s start with talking about the game last night. I think uh over the last five games, the Toronto Maple Leafs have allowed two five on five goals. Um, chalk it up to goending, chalk it up to a little bit of last year keeping things away from the net and to the outside. They seem to have found what they looked like last year where you never go, “Boy, they pumped him. They just pumped him.” But they win. They keep the the score down. They get a couple and they win. So, first shut out of the year, Dennis Hilde. Tip of the hat. I held the beast. I talked yesterday about how the first game back from the road trip is often a dead one where they’re not great and they don’t respond, but they looked a lot like they had in earlier in the season. And I was kind of hoping that they hadn’t just turned back into the early season Leafs. And I would say that last night, the way that they looked specifically in the second period for me, fellas, was an encouraging Yeah. sign towards the rest of the season. You you wouldn’t even recognize last night’s game compared to what we saw for the first month in terms of time and space that the opponents had against the Leafs for three and a half weeks. Well, you know, I’m on record at that time as saying they they didn’t look coached. Yeah. Yes. That’s how bad it was. Yeah. Like I can’t tell what they’re trying to do. And it looks like you can see coaching now. You can It’s And I’m sure for Bub’s part, he’s not changed the message. We know him well enough to to know that he’s not reinventing the wheel. Yeah, but things are falling in line. I think that has a lot to do with getting healthy, right? Like they got no forwards out right now. They’re obviously missing a couple guys in the back end, but by and large, Matthews has been back seven games, five on one over that time. Joseph Wool, to your point, straighten things out for them, and Dennis Helde has picked up the mantle from there. All right. Oh, go ahead. Let’s uh let’s get Craig Ruby’s overall thoughts, overview of what he saw last night with a two nothing shut out. Solid game. Goalie was good. Um, I thought, uh, overall I think we did a good job. They they’re, you know, obviously a talented group over there and, um, you know, I think we did a good job of limited limiting them of real real high quality chances. Um, thought our checking game was good tonight. Not too He’s not too excited about anything. No, which is good. Um, I I am interested to jump off that and have and actually hear from Hill to be. Have you guys had much experience hearing or seeing Dennis Hill to be do words? This is the reason I cut the words you did. Did you? Because I wanted you guys to hear the words. All right. Uh, yeah. Play the Hill to be clip. Uh, I’m just trying to enjoy it. I mean, it’s easier said than done, but at the end of the day, it’s like what I’ve been dreaming of since I started playing hockey. So, it’s just got to remind yourself of that and and have have a lot of fun in the in the meanwhile and just compete. Wow. It never gets any different from that. Very excited. He’s very just flat. He’s a goalie. The lof just they’re simple. You think? Yeah. I mean, Stallers literally came out in the sixth game of the season like these guys reek I can’t do it. Like I don’t think they’re all wired exactly the same is pretty reserved. as as goalenders go, which is good. I don’t think it’s a coincidence. Like I saw uh Jordan Seagull said his his his article today and the tweet was like the start of the season they were getting 877 in the last seven games in which they’ve got six point six if they’ve got points in six of the last seven. Their save percentage I think is 956. It’s not really rocket science here to see why this season’s turned around. And I think they’ve been better defensively clearly. So that’s helped the environment for the goalending. That’s how I feel about it for sure. But like there have been games mixed in there. Specifically, I think the game against Montreal on Saturday night, it was a miracle for them to get a point. They weren’t very good. The one against Columbus with Joseph Wall, there’s a few in there mixed in where if they don’t have the goalending they have, they don’t get the points. But you’re right, it’s been a better environment. How much do you do you you push this now? We’ve done this now. This is the third goal and we’ve done this. Hey, and they’re 0 for two when they push. Yes. So, like I said, No. Yeah. Great question. How far do you want to push this? Well, I would say so they got thankfully they don’t play till Thursday and then it’s Saturday, Tuesday, Thursday. Assuming Joe Wool is eligible and able to play by Saturday, I assume he won’t play Saturday. That’s the timeline they gave us. Would you what? What reason would I not believe them? A week to come back. They’ve given me nothing but reason to believe uh to step on the ice, to have a practice, but to play well by IR eligibility. Yeah, you’re right. He hasn’t done anything yet. You’re gonna you’re gonna be off the ice and then step on and play. All I know is you can’t be afraid to play three or four days of practice. Archers act. I’m afraid of it. Well, you can’t be. I think you have to. But the way the schedule works definitely doing to be Thursday. You’re definitely doing right. He’s two starts. You’re right. Yeah, you’re right. And then it’s like, okay, do we now want to go five straight starts or whatever the four straight starts. So what you’re pitching to me right here, both of you fellas, is Ecimov on Saturday night against Conor McDavid and the Oilers. No, no, no. That so that’s what this is being which is being pitched to me as we speak. Well, if you want to if you know you don’t have Joseph Wool and you would have to know that actimov on Thursday against the Sharks. That’s that which also they got some scores there. I don’t know if you heard of is a possibility too. I mean you can’t play double A on Saturday. Um correct like I said they’re 0 for two with pushing envelopes. Yeah. And that’s what does that expression mean? What’s that? That means you’ve got you’ve got three goalies coming into train training camp this year that have never played the real part of a bonafideed 50 plus right which is why it would be amazing if they could have played 35 35 and 12 split it up do you you know do you look at well they might actually do you look at Hillbe and just say I’m just gonna ride this horse I don’t think you can that to any horse anymore at all here in Toronto. But I I don’t know what his record is durabilitywise when it comes to games played across his career. Mhm. I think if he could show himself to be dependable in this organization in terms of him staying healthy and him being able to be available and be in the net, he would really really impress a lot of people because that’s been a huge issue here for the past couple years in terms of goalie availability. So if he can just play and if he I mean his play is obviously going to dip here fellas at some point it’s going to go the other way a little bit. He’s not just Yeah. Well Jinx he’s not just Vasileleski all of a sudden between December 11th and December 23rd. So I got that at probably 13 days. Uh they play seven times. It’s a lot of hockey in a tight pocket there. So you got to figure out Wool. Like I think they need clarity on Wool pretty early here and maybe need to bring somebody else in or are you just going to act? You can give double A start. May maybe two. I don’t know. How’s he doing in the Marlies right now? They like this kid. He’s you know you give kids a game here and there. It’s not the end of the world. Gave Kaden Primo three. Yeah, he wouldn’t be worse than him. They and they went two and one. Yeah, you’re right. Do we listen to Brewy on the Deb? No, we didn’t. Let’s have a listen to the head coach describe Dennis. Well, I think what what I see in net is he’s trusting his ability and his size. Um, and you know, staying pretty calm and cool in net. That’s what I see. Um, you know, puck plays been good and u but overall his um his mindset is really good. Mindset’s really good. All right. Yeah, that’s what I saw last night for sure was a guy that understood how big he is and trusted that he doesn’t have to get super excited in goal to have a part of the puck hit you when you’re that big. Yeah, just be positional, be square. He got some luck right off the post. Stcher pulled one off the line. Troy Stetcher, by the way, best defenseman in lease history. My god. So, jokes aside, Stetcher’s the best waiver claim they’ve made since we’ve been doing this show. Uh the best since uh Forsley. Yeah. Yeah. In the league. I just What who gets claimed off waiverss and plays 23 minutes a night? This guy played eight games for the team that went to the Stanley Cup final last year. The M10. He played eight playoff games for them. Like he’s been in moments and Okay. Before we move to stature. Okay. Just want to wrap up the goalending. Yes. Okay. Hild to beef Thursday, Saturday. I think I need wall clarity. If you if you don’t have wall, you have to give a game Thursday. Thursday. I need to see him Thursday. If there’s any signs, if there’s any signs of All right. Um maybe he could use longer than 48 hours before like he’s he he spoke to us through his words about trying to enjoy it. Like you can’t if you’re playing every other night. Yeah. You’re too busy worrying about your next start. You are not a tourist here on Makea-Wish. We need you to now move on and go again. Yeah. Um, yeah, if if there’s no wall, I’d consider Actimov on Thursday, but I think I think I kept right. I would go Hill to be Thursday and see if there’s any cracks in the armor. Okay. Uh, we don’t need to go on to Stetcher. That doesn’t need to that’s not the next most interesting thing. The next most interesting thing from that game last night to me was some of the drama. We got a kneeing, a fiveminute major. Yeah. And then you have we’ve had um McMahon bong the guy McMahon hearing this afternoon already happened. It did. Okay. Yep. And game. Could they bring it down to a fine? Listen, all I saw last night was a two-minute high stick. You didn’t You didn’t think it was a crisis? No. Come on. We’re going to suspend for that. Yeah. Huh. Interested to hear you say that. Yeah. No, I’m okay. I get it. It looked worse than it really was. I’m in big trouble here and like I got I got I got bigger issues with the knee on Nermis. Yeah. Why is that? Where is that? Where’s the hearing for that? And I’ve seen way worse not be suspended in the league already this year than what McMahon did. I’m sorry, but that’s not a that’s not a game for me. You want me to go, Sam? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I don’t think it’s a game. Um, you know, to me, force is is important here. And McMahon stick us up from whatever. And he Yeah, he means to bonk him on the head, but he got five in a game in a tight game. I don’t think he it wasn’t like Brashier or even Bill Garen like So where are you? You am I wrong? No, it’s just we freaky Friday. I think he should have got I think he should get a game and I’ve taken a like why because are you me now? I guess you guys are in each other’s bodies. But it’s just like I have been taking a beating from my Leaf Fran brethren on X because I said that it’s probably should be a game. Yeah. Like does intent not matter? No, not in this case. But I I I don’t think the intent is to crunch him over the head. Like I think he Yes, it was. No, the intents to hit him in the head, but it’s not with any force to injure. What is happening? I feel like such an idiot now. But like I thought his stick was high. He looked Borkstrand in his eyes and came down like that and he missed. It was a glancing blow, but I think the intent is bad enough that if you’re swinging your stick towards somebody’s head or neck, you might get consideration for a game or a fine. I think it’s fine. They’re having a chat. I think it’s fine if he gets fined. If he were suspended for a game, I wouldn’t like this is outrageous because you’re making some fair points. His head, his stick is around the head of another guy. I don’t think it’s a game just because he got a pretty stiff punishment for it. There’s no Mermis hurt. Bonk didn’t even look at I don’t think he’s coming back anytime soon. I I’ll hear that conversation that that is as dangerous of a play as Bobby McMahon. Is he trying to give him a little Charlie horse there like driving his like knee? No, he he left he left the knee in and he like I mean that the one angle that’s the worst for him is the one that like right on the glass one they kept showing on Amazon where he knows he’s going to miss him knows he’s going to miss him is looking right by him doesn’t try to slow down doesn’t try to miss him so I think they’re both but I mean the the Leafs conspiracy theory boys and girls are out but like the Leafs tax with the the department of player safety that I mean the amount of times I’ve got sent to Jacob Trouba slashing the head from Frederick in my mentions today. People are we’re back. That’s where we’re definitely back. I’d be curious in 20 years if you were sitting there having a beer with Peros or whoever else is involved and said because there’s more of a spotlight on Toronto games, national media, whatever, did did it affect how any of your rulings went? I I think probably I honestly don’t but they do aware that they’re they’re watched for it way more and I think in many ways not that they’re biased or they just go let’s screw the Leafs but there’s a tendency maybe to overthink it because they they know everybody’s watching right I don’t know if that makes any sense or not because yeah they’re be more they’re accused of being and yeah I I I think I think it’s in the back of their minds constantly that there’s just there’s there’s more uh re repercussions on on how you decide in Toronto than there is in three quarters of the league. Totally. They’re definitely Yeah. So is this a like I mean we really have freaky Friday because you’re just like basically telling me that the league looks at these like Yeah. But but there’s way more about it and they suspend the lease harder. But I No, they don’t do that. No, they just they just overthink it. They just overthink it, Sam. It’s But you’re to the point where they just want to screw us. And that’s not the case. Well, okay. But that is I mean, I’m just watching right now. There’s a big difference between like we’re out to get you and we’ve probably over thunk this. But Pier Angal, if you guys remember, got suspended for slashing Shawn Dery like when he was on the Leafs and he had never looked at anybody funny and he got suspended for it. And I’m watching the play right now. It’s eerily similar. Like I do think that they’re going to give Bobby a game and Leaf fans are going to be pissed. Yeah, they’re going to be pissed. And I everybody’s going be pissed at me because I’m the only one in the show that thinks he deserves a game. Just because Trouba didn’t get suspended doesn’t mean Bobby McMahon shouldn’t get suspended. Trouba should have got multiple games in my opinion. Yeah. Anyways, more importantly is that we did see a natural reaction from the Toronto Maple Leafs when it came to defending DJ players. Dak Josh, right? It looked like a team. It took him a little to work up to that was the guy who did it. That’s the winner. But he fell. Let’s go get him. Let’s go talk to him. Let’s go square it up. Do something. Beat him up. Fight him. I I think there’s an inherent lack of fear of the Lightning from the Leafs. I think the the the Tampa Bay I think the Florida Panthers shine is off the Well, the Florida Panthers are in the lease head a little bit. I think there’s a fear of the Florida Panthers and the Leafs. Leafs own the Lightning. Leafs have beaten the Lightning a lot. They’re the only one of the only teams that ever beat them in a playoff series. like they I was not impressed with them last night at all. They lacked execution. They lacked like the zip uh the power play is as non-threatening as I’ve seen in years out of Tampa Bay. You know what, the first 10 minutes they passed it around and I was like, “Oh, the lightning.” And then it kind of died off. Yeah, it died down. You know, they didn’t get the same chances. Cooerov on an off night is one of the harder watches in the league. It’s actually he’s got to have the biggest range. Like if we did a show the Cooerov daily talk would be electric. Oh yeah cuz I mean some days he’s an AHL player and some days he is Maurice Rocket Rashard. Unreal. Like he’s unreal. Yeah. Yeah. But last night he was quiet. A lot of outside stuff. I know they outshot the Leafs I think 15 to I don’t know eight or nine maybe at Was that the first in the first but a lot of outside stuff and then if they did get a a good opportunity he’ll debe was big the game they they missed Chernack really bad and Mcdana Mcdana too who just got a three-year deal crazy when they traded him away the first time I was like oh that must be the end of him nope then they a lot of uh Moser and a lot of Mc Radish and a lot of these other guys that listen I mean I don’t know how it came across on TV. I was there live. Uh it was kind of a low event game. You know there wasn’t a ton really happening and it obviously bowled well for the Leafs. Yeah. But like there were some times when nobody wanted to forche. They’d line up, you know, in their formation of five guys waiting for, you know, someone behind the net. There wasn’t a pass there. And like, I don’t know if you noticed how many flip passes to get out of the zone there were last night. Leaf did it. Leaf did it a hundred times. Oh my god. No, Tampa did it, too. Ping pong match. It was a flip off. You start doing this, people are going to bring ball gloves to the game. Hey, uh, Radish played two and a half minutes more than their next most used defenseman. I love him. Yeah. Also, Crosier is listed as a D man. This guy, what was he doing all the way up the ice against uh Yeah. Like I I I didn’t see a lot of like true Tampa Bay type of execution in the past. And Braden Point, I know he was out. That was his first game back. Uh, he doesn’t remotely look the same um in his usual uh M incredible steadiness of being a top player find it for Canada. He’s not he’s not he’s not anywhere near where he needs to be. You know who I do love on that team and I know I think he finished dash two last night. He didn’t have any points. Obviously nobody did they got shut out. But I do think that Gentle is one of the most underrated players in the league. Yeah. He tried to go back door on a play was really slick. And you know he cross-checks all of Reman Larson right near the goalie. Tries to cross check him into the goalie. Like he’s in the net front. He’s always in people’s faces. During the Four Nations faceoff, he was one of the guys that I feared by far the most in the States. And I’m really He’s a big game player and I can feel it already towards the Olympics. He’s going to be on that team and he’s going to be really scary for the States. I thought he was good last night. Noticeable. One of their better players. Underrated. Speaking of notable players who deserve a little love. Uh is that your time? No, not not quite that time yet. Jake McCabe absolutely bodied a couple guys last night. like he plays with a ferocity that the Leafs He’s the only one who he’s got a comfort zone too on his side with stature. Yeah, that’s actually really helped him. He’s way better than really helped him and he’s got a nasty streak to him. Yeah, he he’s an old school dude. Yeah, he is. Um I think that’s maybe the most important part of Stetcher is how much better he’s made. Good point. Like I mean he’s just those guys I mean Chiefs have alluded to it a couple times but they found in instant chemistry. Yeah. And he’s just playing on his right side and I think Hickeyi said it on the broadcast. He’s like I wouldn’t want to go in the corner with him. No. It’s like he’s a mean dude. He’s got a mean look at his face all the time. The front of the net he’s just cross-checking mean. Like turning him back into their best defensive defenseman has really been the big thing with St. And Benois back on his side is way better. Mermis obviously unfortunate that he got hurt but Ben Wall was better last night for me too. So why don’t we listen? We got some thoughts on the defense from Buby and give them some love. Yeah. Yeah. Structure. Um I think you know just defending the middle of the ice against them. Like we talked before the game. It’s a very good rush team over there. Uh we wanted to keep it to the outside as much as possible and I thought we did a real good job of that. And um you know it wasn’t a high event game, but I’m okay with that. Oh yeah, I bet. Not just okay with it. You should be thrilled with it. Is what you’ve been trying to do. Is this it from here on in? Is this the kind of look that the Leafs have to have to win? Bad. U low event low event. Yeah, that’s what they want. It is what they want. It’s not what I want. Willie okay with that? You know the answer to that. I You’re asking that question for a reason. You know what? The answer to that is that Willie is not going to do it. He’s just going to keep willying when he’s out there and everyone else can do it. That’s I mean it seems to be a lot of willying last night. It seems to be a little out of sync, right? Like in the perfect world, you want this tight defensive game and then you want your stars to go out and do their thing, but right now there just doesn’t seem to be a a good mix yet. You know, that whole second line needs help. Tavvar, as we talked about yesterday, how he was overused in Matthew’s absence and now he’s got no legs. Cow’s in a stretch where he’s looking, you know, like it’s a lot, right, to jump to the NHL. Willie has died off. I There’s no one on the line that you’re like, “That guy pops right now. They might need if anyone needs a shuffle, they could probably use something.” I I don’t know what the fancies are, but I think three of the lines in the Leafs have been pretty good, but it feels like that’s the one that has been and actually they got the softest matchup last night, so that line should have been But not even just last night, for three or four games here, it feels like they’ve been underwater a little bit. Yeah. And maybe I I don’t know, Cowan maybe try Len with them to try to give him a little shot in the arm. I wanted to talk to ask Kip your thoughts on can we get Lton up in the lineup the in at times? Maybe doesn’t have to live there, but could he play wing with Tavvar’s knander and get some pucks and provide some pop? Last night he was, you said in our group chat, he popped every time he was on the ice, pounding the puck. Yeah. No, no, he’s he’s definitely an energy guy. He’s turned himself into uh a guy that uh you can be you can rely on, right? I I think he’s got him where he wants him right now. But 1420 last night, that’s a little high. Does he I think his wheelhouse is 14 to 16 and a half depending on but that’s two or three shifts that you put him up there with Willie played 1740 last night. Like you know I could handle lot for around that. I think I think to your point yeah I would like to see more of that for sure. I think and we’ve seen it on the power play where these guys are coming off like 50 seconds. Don’t get the job done. It’s a whistle. Sorry. Off. Let’s go. Second unit. They should just I don’t know, guys. The power play. I got nothing else new to say. It’s now arrived into 31st in the league. Uh one a.1 percentage point better than the Los Angeles Kings who are dead last. They’re 13.7. Kings are 13 points. We We’ve been watching this team. This is our fifth year doing shows together, but we’ve been watching the whole Matthews era. It’s the worst I’ve ever seen it. Oh, by far. There’s nothing good about it. There’s not one thing where I’m like, “Oh, the breakouts. Oh, the structure. They’re getting ch they’re getting nothing anywhere.” It’s getting worse. Feels like it is. It’s definitely getting worse. And again, how much do you want to tax that on the defensalie because that’s how they’re winning right now, right? Right. You could relieve the pressure on those things if you score a couple power. A power play goal. completely completely change how you, you know, take some weight off the shoulders of a Hildabbee right now or McCabe or, you know, dare I say it ster right now with his 23 plus minutes, right? I mean, a couple bad a bad icing was and a post was the difference between two points or one. Yeah. Right. Or Kelly Yarnrock shooting. looking at an empty net and deciding to do a turnback. That had a time. How many guys did you have to de? Yeah. Just shoots, man. When I was a kid, I had to 10 times. Like five five and then they catch up to me and I’d have to do it again five times. You’re just Lane Hudson. How it was looking for guys to de How many power play physical power play goals have they even scored this year? Oh, I don’t know. And they’ve given up a couple shorties. There got to be about plus five or something on the power play all year. It’s been just rancid. I I I mean, we did it yesterday, but I’ll do it again. You just you got to just go nuclear. You have to do it something completely different to get them out of the like they go back to it last night, but there’s just so much pressure on it and it’s all those five guys that think they’re supposed to be doing it right. Just do something to alleviate the pressure so it looks different for a game or two. They’re not giving up short-handed goals. That’s a plus. Like I I never thought Mitch Mner was an awesome power play player. Like I I you know he went a 100 games without a power play goal, but obviously he could control the play for them. The best it’s ever looked in this whole era was when they went to five fours last year with him at the top. He he was able to at least get them in the zone and set it up and help make the right pass. Yeah. For me. Yeah. Like he for me he was never not electric at it but they don’t have anyone who you know Cowan might be that one day. Willie could do it but Willy’s not a thinker like like Mitch doesn’t saw it better than Willie in that regard. I don’t know. Morgan is should be simple and should be able to move it but then on the flanks I don’t know man. It’s just you got to go to two units at this point. We we talked about yesterday getting a couple passers out there. You got to do it. You got to make the switch. Two units. 3 f 3 31st. Yeah. It’s mindboggling. And how much money is on that top unit? It’s just like I mean even even uh like on the Amazon broadcast they come in from out of town. They’re not they’re not watching the lease are they’re just like look at the players out there. It is it is funny watching people who don’t cover the game all the time be shocked by what the Leafs are at times like in good and bad way. But they’re like look at all the guys out there. Like what it’s bo it’s mindboggling. It is mindboggling. Yeah it is. Like if you went out there with no plan and played you had one extra guy on the ice and were playing allstars, you think you’d do better than scoring 13% of the time. Yeah. It’s mindboggling, isn’t it? Mindboggling. All right, we take a quick break, Sammy. Or you want to give money away? No, we’ll do it after the break. All right. And uh text us 59590. Any thoughts on last night’s action? Hit us up. Text 59590 and we’ll uh we’ll read some after the break. All right. Sounds good. more real kipper and boring when we return. Welcome back to the program. Nick Gabriel, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKe. It’s a real Kipper and Bourne show leaf hour edition. We’ll get to some texts. Uh yeah, in the meantime, are you going to do uh Yeah, I’m gonna do this, but I also am dealing with a lake of coffee over here. Sammy spilled his And it happened over 30 seconds before we came back. So, we just got to leave it. Just It’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. We’re not surprised. No, I know. I’ve been spilling stuff my whole life. Uh, who wants to win a bunch of cash? We’re doing the best thing this holiday season. Sports 590. The fan is all in supporting the 50/50 fortune for sick kids. It’s a 50/50, so the more money we raise, the more kids we can help and the more holiday cash you can win. The current take-home prize is over $346,000. Buy your tickets at 5050.ca or text the word money to 59590 and we’ll send the link right to your phone. 18 plus. Please play responsibly. Standard message and data rates may apply. Lottery license RAF1518410. Nice work. Nice job, Sammy. Okay. Uh before we get to tax, just want to get get your thoughts on uh Machali and if this kind of I don’t know goes on experiment is kind of over or is there still time for him to come back in? In the event that McMahon gets a game suspension Thursday night, would you consider putting him in over Nick Robertson? No. Like do you feel which we’ve seen in the past with a lot of guys including Dakota Joshua where you just felt compelled to stick with it to get these guys going. Are we past that for Machelli? Like here’s here’s the good news. He’s he’s scheduled to play more games still this year than he did last year. You know here Yeah. He’s only he’s only scheduled to score I think six more points. Here, here’s my thoughts on this. You know, Nick Robertson to me is a better fit with Knander and Tavvarz right now. Like, get in there. Let it let him have a chance to score against some lesser competition. Get get him back into that top six where he had some success. Cowan can be good as a for checker working with, you know, Lorent and Lton, whoever, you know, whatever that sort of group looks like. So, no, Michelli is not the next guy to plug in for me. But the one thing that Machelli has going for him is I don’t really feel like he played himself out of the lineup by being terrible. Like he just didn’t he didn’t find it right away and then they got healthy and other people played well. I don’t think Robertson anyone thought he’d be this effective or Cowan would be this effective. He’s he’s he’s on pace for 11 goals. Like what’s your interpretation of terrible? Well, I mean he wasn’t making bad plays. I didn’t think he was turning a ton of pucks over. I actually thought at times there’s life in his step and he can make some plays where the Leafs don’t have a lot of guys who can. So I don’t have him as a guy who I’ve given up on. Not that you were gonna replace Mitch Marner, but he was the one guy that you thought out of all of them, Nick W and Dakota John Joshua, um that he had a chance to put up 60 points, maybe 70 on a on a wow good run. It felt to me like they bought they had three lottery tickets between Cowan, Michelli, and Robertson. small skilled guys and they’re going who we need one two of these guys at least to take you know Cowan I think has been good Roberts was above those guys he was he was above and they started him there wasove but ke the early part part of the season here the Leafs were not they didn’t look like themselves it was a discombobulated disorganized group Michelli was a part of that for sure but he’s kind of been so even more reason then to put him back in well I think now that they have found their structure and look better, he’ll have more of an opportunity to to fit in, see how he looks at this group. I I don’t think he’s great. I’m not going I’m just saying if I’m the GM traded a third rounder for him, I’m not giving him 16 games, 10 of them in the first 10, and going, “Okay, like I’m done with them.” I I think if they had a chance to get rid of his 3.2 million contract, they they’d do it today. Yeah, I actually agree with that, too. I just based on 3.2 a lot for what you might get out of Can I ask you that in that vein? They just seemingly lost Mermis for I don’t know how long, but that didn’t look good and he was grabbing on his knee and he couldn’t put any weight on it, so it didn’t look pretty. That’s shame, too. He’s been really effective. And I thought my uh Benwis was immediately better with him on his on his pairing. Would there be a team out there that would be like, “Hey, problem for problem, our depth guy, defenseman that’s not playing that you need to fill in on the bottom.” Like, because we can’t do the Meyers thing again. The Myers thing is unfortunately uh sailed. Like, so I I don’t know if I don’t know if there’s another team out there that’s looking to get rid of a defenseman, like a bottom half of the lineup guy that’s could fill in, but I think there’s enough teams looking for that could hang out their hat on maybe we’ll strike lightning with this kid. Yeah. But it would have to be money in, money out. Yeah. Yeah. Not sure how that ma, you know, who that maths for. I look at Seattle and they’re sinking like a stone. They can’t score like Yeah. Maybe they take a flyer on him. Yeah. I don’t know what they have. What the Leafs have to eat half a million bucks. If you trade a third and then have to eat and after playing the kid 12 games. Was it a third? I thought it was a fourth. No, it was a third that if he scored 50 and they made the playoffs, turned into a second camp scored how many? I’m sorry. 50 points. 50 points. Yeah. Okay. Oh, sorry. I meant points. That was that was misleading. Needless to say, it wasn’t going to be second if it needed to be 50 points. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you the Meers thing’s unfortunate because last year in his limited run to the Leafs, he showed flashes of uh like, oh, okay, he’s got some offensive play. He’s big. I gotta say, people think that Justin Hall was a soft Dman for the Leafs, six foot three, whatever. That guy used to put himself in harm’s way, block shots, take hits, break pucks out. This Meyers, the opportunity he’s gotten that he hasn’t shown any pulse. Yeah. That to me, I don’t want to say it’s soft, but it ain’t hard. No, that to me is what are you going to do here to earn this spot? And at this point, he has had all the opportunity given to him. He didn’t seize it. And uh I just don’t see how you can go back to him. Yeah. Uh I guess still no word on Carlo. No. Uh Tanov is coming up to what might be about 6 weeks now. Uh and there is a sense that they’re going to come to some sort of decision on whether or not he needs some surgery or not um for whatever is ailing him. Mhm. So, uh, you saw video of him yesterday skating, looking good. I think it’s now just a matter of when he takes contact when he plays, does it hurt? Does he feel like he can take more contact without incuring more damage? So, it’s like the risk assessment stage of this. Yeah. Then we’re, you know, we’ve mentioned neck stuff before. Yes. Spine, disc, whatever. It’s something going on back there. Something’s going on back there. and whether or not if they decide whether uh a surgery could help alleviate some of that. And in the event that that would have to happen, what we know about those sort of procedures, it is a long recovery. Yeah. There’s a belief that if they do it, he will not be out the rest of the season. He will you could do surgery and see him this season. Yes. That’s surprising to me. Shocked. Yeah. Me, too. It’s not what I’ve heard. That would be that would be great news for the Leafs if the this is this is what I’m told this is what I’m told that the belief is to your point if if they go in if they decide on surgery they open it up it’s worse than it looks it’s not what they thought it could be there’s always the thought that uh no we don’t want to take a chance or we’re not ready to give you a green light the rest of the season and you know you weigh pros and pawns of of where you are and that’s all that’s always the case. But as of at least being optimistic and we’ve heard Craig Ruby be a little optimistic, albeit he is with most of his guys. Um they they they think that if they do choose some sort of procedure that there’s still a chance for him to come back, which is I think is great news. Can I tell you what I hear in all that? No. Is there’s no win for the Leafs fans or the Leafs team this year because one, you have a guy who’s going to try to make it work. He’s going to play through it and every shift is a risk of it all coming unglued. Yeah. Two is a guy who would have a procedure who, let’s say he could come back. What level of athlete are you getting who has not played hockey for 4 months and suddenly is like here’s playoffs at 3. He ain’t he ain’t 23. No. So there is a level of what happened to him and then what happened to him specifically with all those years of wear and tear on him. Yeah. So, there’s so many factors going in on on if we’re just talking about a specific incident or if we’re just talking about a body that naturally starts shutting down on an athlete in the latter parts of his career. Like, I stopped playing at 26. I’m in my very early 40s and I wake up, you know, my back is not great. I can’t. My shoulders sound like Rice Krispies. Like my knee and hip. Why don’t you just stop right now? I don’t look at you. I know that you’re too young. I don’t want to hear it. What you’re telling me is you’re not going to go full Phil Rivers. But Kim, you played till you were in your 30s. Yeah, I was a young 30, too. Okay. 33 30. And you put your body on the line when you played and all that. Like Tanv has been through. He’s been hit 5,000 times more than I have in my career. More than anyone in the league block. It’s unbelievable the the amount of abuse he has taken over the years and then somehow someway always coming back either oh has gone down the tunnel a period back again has gone down the tunnel you know and he’s battled shoulders knees he’s he’s done it all and he still finds a way to come back and and compete it’s he’s been phenomenal he’s been phenomenal I have more respect for him than you know just about anyone else I’ve ever seen play hockey the way he he puts himself out there. So I got people to send in texts and it’s now 449. A lot of people ask about Matt Benning. Yeah, Matt Benning. I mean he played NHL games. I wonder how many he’s played I have it here. He’s played 464 career NHL games. Troy Ster and Matt Benning. Well, he shoots he shoots right. He’s So does Stcher. Yeah. No, he’s 61. He’s 31. Playing in the Marley. Play but they’re like twins. He’s 31. He’s 31. He’s a little bigger than Ster 61. Stcher’s. So, I mean, that’s there’s there’s only one room for I think that kind of Rudy, but you know, one Rudy. You don’t think he’s better than Myers? Um, that I’d be willing to try. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mermis for me is the exact guy they’ve been looking for. Someone who Mermis to me is old Benois two years ago when it was like want to be in the league, do what it takes. What do you need? off the glass and out. Defend, play hard. Benoisan now has flashes of uh Gila Flur to his game that I don’t need. Uh, hey boys. Love the show. Just wanted to point out that you guys have way more chemistry than the Leafs have in the last 10 years. And it’s No, no, not recently. They’ve they’ve they’re coming on strong right now. It’s really palpable, she says. But she’s making fun of me. She says, I would love to know if Sammy thinks Knander shouldn’t compete for Sweden because he was born in Canada. And that’s a shot at me for f on Friday for saying about the Italy versus Canada for um at Beimo. Good one. Right. She nailed it. She got me in the ice. I I have no response to that. Tamara official statement. I have no comments or questions at this time. Take that and move on. She got me. But you’re used to that from us. Yeah, that’s the way she goes. Hey, what’s the deal with Jacob Chron’s birth? He’s He’s Canadian. He’s Canadian. Not not no US. No, I think it’s a duel. I I think he He I don’t know. Did they move to Florida or was he born in Florida? I don’t know. I’m sure. Anyway, sorry. He’s Canadian. I know he play Canadian eligible, but I think he’s also American. He was born in the state. Neither team wanted him. I think he’s available. Hey, did you guys see the picture last night? So, they always do the state controlled media where they do the video after the game of the Harah Harah. Did you see the picture that included Actimov, Joseph Wall, Dennis Hildabbe, and an Anthony Stolar sighting? He was in the room in the picture taking a picture. No, didn’t see that. Eh, that’s good. That’s a really cool shot, by the way. It is very cool. But does that mean like I mean, if he’s four of them, it’s good to see him upright. It’s not good when you have four goalies. He was up for sure he was. He was sitting at least. What’s the the NFL expression is if you’ve got two starting quarterbacks, you’ve got no starting quarterback. It’s probably the same for having four goalies. Wow. I mean, it’s pretty good goalie depth. Who uh just trade one? Get them all ready and trade one. The Carlo thing. Do we know anything words on what’s happening there? No. No. Is he rooming with Stallers? Uh on Robo Island. Jay from Missaga. When where does Troy Stcher fit in when Carlo and Tan have come back? Love the show. Thanks for bringing the heat. You show me a world where all three of them are healthy and in the lineup right your problem. That’s a great right side of your defense. Yeah, I’d be happy to solve that problem. I don’t think you’re going to have to. That’s my take. Not going to be a thing. And if you have to solve it, he’s your seventh. That’s just like he was on a very good team last year. You you trade somebody. That’s how you solve it. Anytime the Leafs have an excess of value anyway, you’re like, ship it out. I’m telling you, that’s how desperate they are for assets. It would be fun. They need they need Hilde is suddenly something. Um it’s hard but like you first of all you’re not trading them because you don’t know what you have. You don’t know what you’re trading for. Also no team who’s going to win a cup is trying to trade for him. So who’s trading for him? Listen, you can always take a chance for him, but like what are you going to pay? Like you don’t you don’t know you don’t know his his range right now. What’s Solar’s worth to the Oilers at the deadline first? in listen right now if he’s the same as you. Nothing. If he plays 10 games and looks half decent before the deadline, what’s he look like to the Oilers? Very good. Trade him there. If ifs and buts were candies and every day would be correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Correct. Well, listen, he he’s new contract hasn’t even kicked in till next year. Guys, he hurt. He had a hurt. He’s out for a month here or whatever. He’s not dead. He’ll be back. He’s fine. He’s fine for a good how long? That’s the danger of two also trading for him is that you just don’t know when he’s going to be in and out of a line in full Demco level with stolers where it’s just never going to Kipper is right. The Toronto commute traffic is worse than and worse than North America. It’s worse than Los Angeles. This has been well documented. Try to keep up Borie. Is that Steve the Hammer? Is that Otani? Was that Otani writing into our show? Oh, come on. Apologize for my lack of traffic. Come on. How about Freddy’s commercial with the kids? Freddy. Freddy’s. Freeman. He’s the best. He’s awesome. I love him. I I I give him full marks for doing it. There’s two guys I like in that team. Yamamoto I respect the hell out of. Haunted my dreams, but unbelievable. And I love I love Fina. Can’t say nice. Get out of here. All right. Just like that, the hour’s up. A full hour. I thought we were doing 15 minutes. I was only scheduled to talk for 43 minutes. That’s what I was told. Ryan Fabro. Okay. Coming up next as we go national on the Real Kipper and Born Show, Steve Valette. What’s he think of the Hilda beast? Oh yeah. Time to go national on the real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportset. Sportset 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary and streaming always on Sports Plus. can also find us on Spotify, Apple Podcast and YouTube at your convenience. Of course, this hour of real kipper and Born brought to you by Bet365. Nick Gabriel’s Justin Bourne semi McKe and Steve Alakette will join us for his regularly scheduled Tuesday analyst with the New York Rangers on MSG CEO Clear Sight Analytics and Real Kipper and Bourne goalie analyst. I would like to add to that title. I’m going to put that on the end. Uh he’s a director of goalending. Yeah, director of goalending. Right. I like that. He’s going to tell us a lot of things in terms of he’s a who’s hot and who’s not. Okay. A lot of quiet talk around the goalending in Edmonton. So will will he revisit that? The Leafs are sorry the Oilers are fixed. They’re fixed. They’re fixed. They’re back. You know what? They’re going to play great. Skinner’s going to do better as a result and they’re going to go, “Hey, Skinner’s back. He’s this is the best he’s ever looked.” Maybe, you know what? Then they’ll put up the numbers and they’ll say, “Well, he’s doing just as good as the guy they’re trading for. Just keep him.” And then they’ll go to the conference finals and they’ll play Dallas and he’ll way out player. Then they’ll go to the finals and they’ll have to pull him in game five and put in Pittard and lose in game six with the Oh, they’ll move with the with the exception of Colorado and Dallas right now. Uhhuh. like who really impresses you in the league. I like Washington a lot. They’ve really come on. Five on five. They’re good. The uh the standings shot down Washington on you a little bit. I think they’re really good. I think they’re well coached. They are a mess. They’re a mess. A mess. I don’t ever recall it ever being like this. As of yesterday, Detroit was out of the playoffs. They were 10th in the Eastern Conference. They won their game last night. They’re now first in the Atlantic. They jumped everybody. Good night. Good night. Vancouver Canucks fans seemed really pleased with the effort last night, but the Canucks four to nothing loss. Boo was raining down. I look at the Lightning now, which they drop with Red Wings win last night against Vancouver uh by a point. And so they get off to a horrible start, Tampa Bay. Horrible. One and six or something. Then they get hot. And I watched the game last night against the Leafs where I thought they looked horrible again. Yeah. lost four in a row. Now, I think this is 95% of the league right now where you can go stretches where you’re okay and then you go through stretches where you’re like, “Boys, you’re no good.” No, you know, if you I I sorted the divisions and just looking at the Atlantic, no team has more than six wins in their last 10 games. In the metro, only one team has more than six wins in their last 10 games. Like, everybody’s got four or five and six wins. Who is that? Uh who who has more than six in the Metro? Oh, your Capitals red hot. Plus 28 goal differential. So they’re a real team to me. Yeah, I think you’re right. I like Leonard a lot. People love looking at that those standings and saying love the parody. Do they? Right. Yeah, they do. They do. They the parody word they people love. Oh, this is like a Trump thing. No one said that. People keep coming up to me and saying, “Sir, sir, we love the parody.” No, the commissioner likes it. I’m just matter. No, it’s past. Yeah, I know. That’s the the key word. Kipper, you’re I’ve never had one parody conversation. Really? Never. Who likes this? Who like you want the midHel? I don’t like it. No. The There’s a There’s a perception out there that every market’s in. Well, every that’s the hook. That’s the good part. That’s the league. It’s It’s healthy for the league to have markets who all feel like they’re in it. The NHL is a tribal sport and people follow their own team more than the league. Yeah. I’m not talking about the the actual product, right, which I said, you know, where we’re seeing a lot of low event games lately. Yeah. Um, two nights ago there was six or seven teams that started at 700 p.m. and after their first period there was only like six goals in total. Yeah. Right. So I I mean outside of sometimes the challenges of entertainment and and intensity outside the challenges of entertainment. Yeah. And and intensity. Yeah. Like look at your look at Sammy. like the Leafs aren’t playing a a highly entertaining brand of hockey, but he doesn’t care. He just wants two points. Correct. The uh there’s there might be a lot of markets like that. Well, throw up the West standings right now. Let let this fascinate you. The Calgary Flames right back in it. Three points out of a playoff spot. Right back. Four from last in the conference. Yeah. Hey yo, look at the Flames. They have played themselves 72 and one in their last game. They participated in a few low event games, too. And this is what Yeah, this is what parody does. It’s like, God, if they win a couple of games, they’re right in there. And so, it keeps your fans believing. That part. Yeah, I I buy into that. That’s why Gary likes it. Gary’s job is to keep the owners happy. The owners are happy when people think their teams are in it. No, when they make the playoffs and that’s their money. Well, but also people keep coming to the games when they think you got a chance. When they know in November that you’re not making playoffs, people stop going. And I got to believe people don’t like that. It’s tough to climb the standings, unfortunately, because every game’s a three-point game, right? So, the Flames don’t actually have a chance, but okay, let’s go to Steve Valette, analyst with the Rangers, MSG, CEO, Clear Sight Analytics, to to um break the the tie here in terms of am I right, Valley, when I say that the the catchphrase is parody and how great it is that a lot of teams are still in it in the standing. ings or did I make that up? Well, I think the owners love it. I don’t know if we love it. No, I want good teams and I want bad teams. You know, like there’s not a lot of storylines, guys. Unless you like comebacks. Like look at the Rangers. They were out of it two weeks ago. They had a great week last week. They beat Dallas. They beat Ottawa. They lost in overtime to Colorado. Lost in overtime to Vegas. And I have to say those three teams, Vegas, Colorado, Dallas, those are three really good teams that I would take out of the parody conversation. Uh it was the first time we’ve seen Vegas like fully healthy. That’s a really impressive team, guys. They came into MSG on Sunday and you know what? They look pretty damn good. Like that’s a good team. again when they get Mark Stone going the way that he’s going and everybody’s their their third line was like you’re looking at it I’m like oh my god this is an NHL Stanley Cup winning third line so they’re deep they’re good Colorado was flying Dallas is dynamic those are three really good teams out west better than any team that I’ve seen out east is this our first time being welcomed into your home or is that a fake background no I’m in St. Paul, Minnesota. This is the hotel we stay at when we travel in the NHL. And um am I paused right now? No, you’re good. You’re good. Oh, okay. Yeah. And uh you know what it reminds me just in time based on the decor? The Hey, the Does it remind you of the children’s show The Comfy Couch? No. You know what? No, it reminds me of um the hotel on Long Island that we used to stay at. The Marriott in the parking lot. No, the uh grand there’s another one out out Yeah, she’s I can’t remember the name of it. Anyways, it’s like Yeah, it’s like being in my grandmother’s house, but um yeah, I’m here for uh Scott Gomez’s Hall of Fame Hall of Fame induction. Is he around? Get him on our show. Yeah, I was I was I was going to drag him in here, but um I lo lost him at the bar. Okay. Um weird. Listen, I I know we’re going to we’re going to go through our various goalies here, but like buddy, what’s going on with your union? You’re dropping like flies. What’s happening here? Vaselki now gone again. What do you see? So, you know what? I’ve been talking to a lot of people about this. I know a few doctors around the league. Um, talked to some other trainers. You know what? I It was interesting because I had this conversation yesterday with Matt Nickel. I called him up out of blue and thankfully he answered and we talked about it for quite a while and he gave me some really good insight just the way it used to be because he did work with the Leafs 25 years ago and you know what he sees now he’s working with Ottawa but I thought it was interesting talking to him because I could bounce some ideas off of him because I remember being on the uh plane sitting beside Chris Drury and saying to him you know what we haven’t had a day off in like 32 days and I remember going to practice ice periodically during the year when we did have a day off and I remember Henrik and I not doing as well as Sharp and our goalie coach saying don’t be too hard on yourselves guys you had a day off yesterday and and I remember saying to myself like what exactly does that mean because you know I had a day off I can’t feel as finely tuned as I usually do and it is that and it’s almost like your body the way that Matt Nickel and I had this conversation yesterday it has to tear to grow and whether you’re in the gym working at max and then you know doing your recovery and everything like that afterwards that’s where your growth happens. Right now what I believe is that recovery is almost more important than the exercise itself. We have such an emphasis on recovery in the NHL right now. we don’t practice and maybe some of the mediocre play is because the passing isn’t as efficient as it is or the goalies are getting hurt because they’re not working to max every day. Like guys, our goalie coach, he had a counter in his pocket, the one that the bartender would have or the bouncer rather when you’re going into a nightclub. Uh I used to go to the one in 427 Airport Road there. Palazzos, I don’t know if you guys heard of it. really po really popular in the 90s. Yeah. And they would just, you know, count us for the butterflies. And when we’d reach 300 butterflies, they’d kind of tell you to, you know, slow it down or do a little less for the rest of practice and not stay out for an extra 20 minutes. But in a game, oh yeah, we would be at 300 because Borne, we’d be 30 minutes before everyone came on the ice. We back in those days, we’d go an hour for practice, hour 15, and then, you know, we’d stay for an extra 30 minutes afterwards. You do a little shoot around with the boys and you don’t you don’t leave until everybody’s happy, right? Oh, I would never leave. I never left. And but even Lquist, he was so bad that like, man, I I wouldn’t even play the night before. I’d be hanging out by the bench having some water, watching him take breakaway after breakaway. And here I’m saying to myself, like, when is this guy ever going to get off? Like, I’m done. and I didn’t even play last night. But I I just feel like we went to exhaustion more. And I wonder right now in the NHL, if you’re not pushing yourself and going through the wall enough, then maybe you’re not necessarily doing the right thing with over recovering and maybe your body isn’t in shape for game play because you’re not going into splits often enough the way you would in practice. It’s it something’s missing. And it’s almost like between recovery and being able to stay out longer than you should with an injury. It’s it’s just perplexing. Like I Bourney, I remember 99 2000 around that time our Islander teams weren’t that good. And one of the sayings we had around the team was it’s easier to be injured for the Islanders than play for the Islanders, you know, and so guys would be hanging out longer with their injuries. And I think you couple it with the what I just talked about with being okay to be injured. I don’t know. I’m off about this. Yeah. Maybe you could um give us an assessment of the Toronto Maple Leafs goending situation. Stlars out right now with an injury. Kind of vague. Wool out right now with an injury. Could be back in a week or so. Hilde gets the team’s first shut out last night. Yeah. Um you know, kind of trying to figure out how much that guy can play. Actimov is on the the bench right now. So, what do you think of where they’re headed with these guys? Uh, where they’re headed. Uh, Kipper, you know, I liked your comment about building up Hill to be. I think you said that on Friday’s show. Build them up and then maybe move him. But maybe it’s another guy. You know, maybe it’s Wool. No, no. I I suggested that. I just said get them all together. Get them healthy. You have You have value in all of these guys. Figure it out. But somebody’s got to go. Okay. So, it could be anybody and I agree with you because that would reveal itself over the next few months. Um, Hildabby, he’s close. The team defended really well last night. And what did he have? He had five high danger chances. You know, it was one of those games, guys, where sometimes a goalie, let’s just say that, look, he’s got a great save percentage, but let’s just say he’s not a true number one, obviously. But you can play into his game if you play tight to the net because he’s so long. And a lot of their great A’s last night were tight to the net and on the ice. And that’s how you feed into a really long goalie. Uh the difficult saves for him are 20 feet to 25 feet because that’s the mid-range where he has to be reactive and he tends to get himself a little small. If you look at the shots that he faced last night, you could see him in a crouch a couple times just getting hit by it. And I think that the book on him would reveal itself in the next couple of weeks, probably his next three or four starts where teams wise up to how to get to him. So what I’m saying is is you don’t really know what you have in him yet, right? But it’s a good start. And I think that with Wool, I mean, you just can’t leave this often. You can’t leave this frequently. You’re not reliable. uh to be a real NHL starter, a true number one, you need to be available for 55 starts. You have to play consistently and you need to be healthy. Those are the three things that you’re required to do. And I know it and you know it. Stolars hasn’t showed that. Neither of has Wool and you’re hoping you can just get one of these three guys into a position where you get value for him. Okay. So, just to kind of pick up on that, Stlars, who’s never played more than, I believe, 34 games, uh, gets the bulk of the starts, uh, to begin the season. Then he leaves. Then Wool comes in, no training camp, uh, basically shot out of the cannon to start his season with a good stretch of what, four games? Seven of eight. Okay. Now you’re 0 for two and now you got Hill Hill to be in who to our knowledge has never really experienced much in in the injury front like the other two guys. And yet you know where is that line now for the Leafs moving forward with a guy like Hill to be between the the the science the data and let’s just go with a hot hand like 20 years ago. I I think the data was let’s go with a hot hand. But what does the science now tell us about overextending Hill to be in in this situation? You know what I think it is, Kipper? It’s overextending these guys while missing practice. That’s that’s the key here. We didn’t get injured like this. Okay. Do you know why I never played? Henrik never got hurt in four years. Not once, you know. And this guy pushed himself to the limit, pedal to the metal all week long in practice. took every shot you could take. And I’m telling you, the guy was so good on breakaways because he never got off the ice after practice and took 20 extra minutes of breakaways. I’m seeing goalies around the league breakaway safe percentages down this year. Why? Because guys aren’t practicing. But I think it’s leading to injury. You can’t just run somebody six, seven games and then never practice. It’s like stretching a dry elastic band. That’s what it is. You’re not you’re you’re not working somebody enough to exhaust exhaustion to then bring them all the way back and have them have growth. So that’s the issue. Why are these guys getting hurt? They’ve never had support. You had to run somebody. First it was Solars, then he got hurt. Then you ran Wool. What’s going to happen with Hilde? We’ll see. He’s younger and he doesn’t have an injury history. But, you know, I think that’s the key here. get these guys back on the ice for practice so you’re not going in there so cold. There’s no time anymore. It just seems like there’s no time to practice. So, how do you how do you manufacture that? How do you recreate that? Four games next year. I’m telling you, the day off thing once a week pretty overrated when if you’ve got a travel day that counts for a day off, but it doesn’t count on the players piggy bank. And then you get a second one because you haven’t had a full day off because your previous one was a travel. So that’s two days off and then you play with an optional pregame skate. And we used to get in the gym for a good 25 minutes after games and just get enough of a lift in so that you had something there with with just keeping your muscles moving. These guys are full of testosterone. They’re all in their 20s. They’ve got plenty of energy. Hey, look. I cover enough of these games. There’s nights where 20 minutes of ice time and I don’t even know if they got any cardio in. They have to go on the bike afterwards. Yeah, it’s crazy. The um you know, we’ll stay on some of the guys around the league because there’s lots of injuries, but great Canadian goalies. Hella Buck out Demco. Demco rumored to be returning soon. Teams may be calling on him. What What’s our your thoughts on on where Demco’s at? Well, I think it’s where where is Vancouver right now? You know, where’s Vancouver and where are they with their rebuild, rethread, I don’t know what you want to call it. I think for them they have to figure out defensively what they’re doing so that they can actually have a product where you can have a goalender in the net that matters. Uh did you guys see the Andrew Cop goal last night? Back door. Yeah. Wide open. Okay. Vancouver’s given up that seam more than anybody in the NHL. Borie. And it doesn’t matter who’s in your net. That’s a positionless goal. There’s no goalie there. It’s a slam dunk. Right. Yeah. So I did a bunch of work on this today. Um, the low east to west is going in more than any other goal, the Andrew Cop goal. And I think that, you know, I’ll stay on Vancouver here for a moment. I think if you’re Vancouver, you want to know where where wins come from. And where wins come from is getting more scoring chances than your opponent. In expected goals, it’s two more expected goals than your opponent. You win 77% of the time. So that’s that’s question number one. But question number two is where do those scoring chances come from and which ones matter the most? Well, it’s the low east to west and it’s also netfront shots from the point. You’ve got Quinn Hughes sliding up and down the blue line delivering pucks. If they had that type of offense, then you’re talking about a team that has a chance to climb the standings, but they’re ranked low there. They’re ranked low on the East to West defensively, offensively. when they were seven wins, eight losses after 15 games. They were one of the worst teams in the NHL, but maybe a little bit blind to it because their record wasn’t so bad. And now they’re one of the worst teams in the NHL, but I think they must know that they needed to be the first to know to be able to make next steps. When I was looking at this today, um I took a look at teams that had plus two. If you’re plus two, meaning you have two more of those low east to west, those Andrew Cop goals, two more chances like that per game than your opponent, you win 73% of the time. But it’s almost worse when you look at it the other way where if you get beat by two in that particular game, you win. You win 27% of the time. So, you’re looking at it both ways. And what I did here was I looked at all the goals that have been scored this year in the NHL. We’re at tw uh 2,629 goals have been scored this year and 20% of them 510 goals have been scored low east to west and then the net front 441 goals. So that’s 17% of the goals are being scored that way. And we know that number goes up in the playoffs. But those are the two ways that most teams have to fix their scoring chance problem to give themselves the best chance to have an advantage at the end of the night to win no matter who your goalie is. Vancouver 50 low east to west chances against this year. That’s worse than the NHL. Wow. So, if you put Demco in there, who’s had few injuries, all lower body, um, at what point does he get overextended, especially if he hasn’t had that practice time? One of the things that I don’t think we talk about enough is that the goalie’s groin can pull two different ways. It can pull for a stretch going for that east to west chance or it’s just pulling on its way in because when you recover up to your feet after you make a butterfly save, you’re always sucking in one of your legs. You get up with one and the second leg is pulled in. And I bet that Joseph Wall was probably feeling a little bit of that because he missed so much time and now you’re going through practice even though it’s limited, but you’re getting into games and every time you recover back up to your feet, you’re sucking your leg back in. That that groin injury usually hurts uh or injures at the beginning of a goalie season. You’re watching and listening to Steve Alakat, analyst for the Rangers on MSG and CEO Clear Sight Analytics. um these ever moving trends for scoring goals. Um can it affect a shooter? Like I’m I’m looking at two in particular, Person in Vancouver and Austin Matthews in Toronto. And if you’re not if you’re not picking up the vibe on these different trends on on where scoring chances is is it affecting them? Uh, is that possible that at one time 100 point guys have turned themselves into 50 and 60 until they pick up a the rhythm again? You know what, Keer? There’s a there’s a couple things that I would pay attention to if I was Austin. And we touched on it at the beginning of the season where he’s not getting enough of those passes across the ice that he had gotten uh two years ago when he scored 69 goals. And this year, Austin has had four chances, the low east to west chance, back to the Andrew Cop goal, and he scored three of them. So you he’s still the finisher. I’ll run you through these goals, too. The the three that he scored, it was a twoon-one verse Nashville pass from Nice. Slam dunk goal. I think it was his first of the year. And then a twoon-one goal pass across from Knander against the Rangers. And a twoon-one goal against Carolina. This was last week. Doi passed it to him. Right. So those are the three goals that he scored. But but that’s only on four passes. Kipper like he is either not getting himself open frequently enough or doesn’t have the players to pass it to him and find him or he’s not getting it off his stick quick enough. And I think oftent times this year it’s been number three. Do you remember the scoring chance he had last night? It was Morgan Riley in the first period passed it to him across the ice and he caught it. Yeah. And he stick handled it twice and then he shot at Kipper. Kipper that that used to be off his tape in one sweep. Either he was one timing it or he would just catch and in one motion shoot it. And Johansson was on the other side of the net when it touched his tape. He dropped his jaw, collected it, dusted it off. by the time he looked up goalies in the middle of the net. It was an easy save. But that’s so that’s one that’s on him. And I don’t know, again, I listen to your show. Maybe he’s got a bad back and he doesn’t feel good getting around on pucks like that, but part of that’s on him. When he when he scored 69 goals, guys, he scored 17 goals more than the quality of chances that he had. Best finishing player in the NHL over four years. And this year, what do I have him as? Minus two. You know, like how does this crazy drop? It’s crazy. So, here here we’re saying he’s not getting the chances. Uh he’s not getting himself open for the chances. Maybe it’s because he’s not getting the passes and he’s not getting it off his stick the right way. Now, when I look at the offensive teams that are dominating guys over the last two years, Columbus, Washington, Colorado, those three teams have scored the most in the NHL at five on five. And those three teams have one thing in common. They have the most chances in gradea a spots that they choose to pass instead of shoot. Okay, we started keeping this stat this year and we went back and retrofit it for last year and it’s pretty faking fascinating when you look at a team that should shoot because they’re in a grade A position or they’re about to attempt a grade A and they choose to pass it. So goalies that are having difficulty at five on five against those three teams are getting passed around more and that’s why they’re having a lot of success and again these big shooters Person Austin I don’t think they’re getting the same touch that these other guys are getting. It’s funny just looking at the like expected goals per game Sport Logic has them at second in the NHL. He’s getting looks like last night he hits Johansson’s knob, but to Kip’s point, he seems to get close to these areas, but doesn’t have that little bit of separation or whatever the difference was last year to your point, getting it off his stick quickly. It just doesn’t look the same. He’s getting tons of chances. You know what? Hey, Borne, I’ll just interrupt you for one moment because sports logic would be looking at it and including ones where he misses the net. Yeah. And I’m just talking about when he hits it. So, but that’s also a part of the narrative, just what you said. And he’s not hitting the net enough, right? you know, his chances are are spraying. That’s that’s really interesting and that’s something. Yeah, I am curious about that myself. Valley for Go ahead. You okay on that? Yeah. Yeah. Um, we had Pier Magcguire on earlier uh this week uh talking about Jacob Fowler who uh I want Montreal Canadian fans to hear your thoughts on what’s being described as perhaps the next Carrie Price in Montreal. No pressure. made a few calls on it over the last couple days. I love the interview again. Um, one of these days we might have to go over my listening history because I think I might be the all-time leader for sure. No. Yeah, of course. I’m always driving. It’s perfect. And I’m in the locker room with you guys. And I and I really liked what Pierre said there. Um, it’s it’s funny because it’s almost like revisiting history. Patrick Wah won a Calder Cup and then won a Stanley Cup in back-to-back years. really amazing right from junior hockey. Carrie Price won a Calder Cup with the Hamilton Bulldogs and then went on to be a stud goalie for the Montreal Canadians. Well, Fowler, I am hearing that Laval’s got a really good defensive system. So, that boosts his number a little bit. And if and this is sort of what it looks like here. Monttobo is having some difficulty not just on screens. Like I could pull apart the technical game, but he’s also having difficulty when the team gets up by a goal. He has the worst save percentage when the Montreal Canadians get up by a goal. And that to me, guys, that’s that’s mental, you know, because you’re giving back leads now, and that becomes a habit, too. And the score of the game impacts the overall feeling and the mental state of every goalie. Every every goalie’s felt this. I’m telling you guys, it’s not the same to stop a breakaway when your team is up by a goal versus down by four or up by four. So, he might be going through something there as well. We talked last week about Dobish. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to bring him in and just give him a game or two and maybe you can get one of the other two guys to agree to a stint. And guess where you’re going? to Laval in the American League that’s got a good defensive system, right? It’s not a bad idea. It’s not a bad idea. Montbo is the second worst performing goalie in the NHL right now. The worst is Bennington still, but Montbo is the second worst. Oh, Canada. So, yeah. Uh la last one. Uh real quick, just um we’re starting to pick Olympic teams. This uh Jper Walstead in in Minnesota is still a top the NHL 936 save percentage. This kid the real deal. Yeah. Oh, that’s where I am right now. I’m I’m in St. Paul. I was at the You see the wall of St. Paul? I saw the wall of St. Paul. So, this was interesting because we had uh Ottawa this past week uh Thursday and I was preparing for Allark to start the game. So, spent a lot of time on Allark and then they played Marilyn. But as I was going through some discovery on Almark, I kept this note for the show. He only stops 70% of the screens that he faces. He’s allowed 17 goals on screens this year, more than any other goalie. So, I went to watch all of his screens that he’s faced. And the common thread with Allark is that when he’s in his stance and the screen shows up, wherever that shot’s going, right or left of him, he slides into it. And in doing that, you don’t get to pick up the release because you’re in motion. and your eyes are in motion rather than staying on your edges and then getting into the frame with a big body and receiving it to what a goalie would tell tell you is their biggest receiving surface, their upper body. So, he’s really struggling there and I think it’s a piece of technical, but it’s also a piece of battle and compete and you have to fight for sightelines when you’re looking through screens. Now, conversely, Walad 41 screens faced so far this year, one goal against. He gave up his first goal. Yeah, exactly. So, again, another great game from uh Gustoson the other night. So, I think you’re taking those two goalies. If if I’m for team Sweden, I’m taking Gusto and I’m taking the wall of St. Paul. Love it. Love it. All right. Are we awesome? Are we ready for grill marks? Is he Does he have it in the on the road here? I don’t know. Are you road prepared for grill marks? Does a onelegged duck swim tight circles? All right then. Yes. Do I get one point? Uh, so you know what? I gave you that point from last week. I went over the tape. I went over the tape. I I rushed. I didn’t get a chance to get in. I give I gave it to you. So the the standings are Ciprios 18, Bourne 15, McKe 15. Tight. It’s getting tight. getting the a glove pass. You getting a point like a tiger. What a drop. All right, this is all about playmaking and passing this week. All right, we’re going to first discuss primary assists. All right, now primary assists. What we do within our company is we narrow it down to just scoring chances. So like imagine Borne, if I gave you a pass and you went down the wing and you shot it from the blue line and it went in. Yeah. I don’t get a credit for that primary pass because it wasn’t even a scoring chance. We’re looking at scoring chances here. Love that. Okay. Yep. So, primary assists on scoring chances. Bard with 15. Oh, Wow. You just got Bernard. Okay. Bernard. No. No. No. I didn’t give it away. I didn’t give it away. Okay. You got to get out of that room. I knew I should have went out with Goomer before this. All right. McDavid. All right. Okay. Or Celibbrini. So, it’s either Baddard, McDavid, or Celabbrini. All right. I’ll go first and I’ll take Celibbrini. Badard. Um, I’ll say Bard. Stella. All right. Single celebr. Badard was second though with 15, which you already heard. All right. We sure did. Best playmaker. Best playmaker. So, this is the player that sends their teammates in on high danger scoring chances most frequently. So, we’re just isolating the great A’s. Is it Cooerov, Barzel, or McKinnon? Uh, I’ll take Well, I went first last time. I’ll go Barcel. McKinnon. I’ll take Cooch. McKinnon. God, you’re hot. No, it was him. Oh, you’re hot. Yeah. Thanks. All right, last one is the unluckiest passer. So, this is the player that sets his teammates up the most, but they don’t finish. Matias Machelli. Quinn Hughes. Cooerov. JT Miller. I say Quinn Hughes. He just sets up so many guys, doesn’t he? And they stink. I’ll take Cooerov, though, because they got some guys that are underachieving, too. Um, I’m taking Miller because these two guys didn’t. Borie, you did your homework. Cooerov should have six more primary assists based on his teammates not finishing for him. Wow. Well, that’s that’s right. You had a hearty lead. So yeah. Yeah. I got one more thing before you guys cut me off. Couple weeks ago, I told you guys for Sammy’s bet 365 Jason Robertson. Wild and had he went hot after that. But you know what? I’m kicking myself because the next guy on the list once they usually get to minus five minus five and a half that’s when it’s a good bet. It was Carter Verhy and then he went off last week. So I’m kicking myself that I forgot this last week. this week. Um, it is a Yesper Brett anytime goal. New Jersey at Ottawa. And he is almost at minus six goals against his expectations, which means he’s due. Wow. This is the good stuff. Brad, like a library book. Way overdue. He’s a little ratty with his earlier comments in this jump. Get back to Goomer, will you? Yeah. All right. Boy, oh boy. Twin city stuff today out of you. you know, love it. Um, boys, have a good one. Thank you very much and I’ll see you next week. You know, one last thing. You never noticed the hack. Go Jay’s. We can’t see it. Oh, Jay’s logo. Oh, yeah. What is it? The J. All right. All right. Little too dark on the screen. Those pictures were signing, too. I love that we’re a Wii now, Valley. We us. All right. Thanks. Stay safe out there and warm. Yeah, it’s free. It’s snowing here. It’s brutal. Brutal. So, yeah, Steve Alicat, man, he brought it today. We just abused him. That was It’s That was a long segment. Sorry, Valley. That was a shower after our segment. First potential fbomb in a long time. No, we didn’t swear. I know. No, no, he’s a good guy. Come on. I would never say that. It’s game time. My bet 365. Visit the uh the lap app, please. Try again. Here we go. Now, Sammy McKe. two. All right, it’s game time presented by Bet 365. Visit the app, play latest odds, and see why it’s ever ordinary at Bet 365, must be 19 plus, Ontario only. Please play responsibly. So, I had this whole plan about game time today because um the Northern Star Award was awarded today, which is the formerly Lou Marsh award, which is the top Canadian athlete for the year, and Sheay Gilis Alexander of the Oklahoma City Thunder won it. Are you aware what their record is right now? I know last I checked they had one loss and maybe 21 wins in 24 games this year they’ve played. They’ve lost one of them is their their record is 23 and one and early in December they are plus 135 to win the NBA championship. My goodness. And I just I thought that you know I was talking about this a little bit with some of my buddies today. I feel like this is undertalked about in Canada. Like if this was 15 years ago all we’d ever talk about is that the potential MVP of the league again is a Canadian guy. So I thought that was cool. thought I’d bring it up. But now I have to find what Jesper Brat’s number is because he nailed that Robertson thing. So I’m going to quickly pull this up. Give me a anytime an anytime uh Jesper Brat goal tonight at plus 260. So here’s what you need to know. If you bet that you know three games in a row or something like that, yeah, you’re you’re you’re going to break even if you bet it every day for the next two weeks. You’ll probably do pretty good. He’s on fire with that stuff. So anyways, that was game time presented by bet365. Visit the affiliates odds and see why it’s ever ordinary at bet 365 must be 18 plus only. Please play responsibly. 23 in one. 23 and one. That’s absurd. And the all time with the Bills law or sorry I think I think it’s 73 maybe or 73. Maybe if they got the Yeah, they’re on pace. Well, yeah, they’re on pace to lose three and a half games. Crazy. It’s crazy. Okay, let’s take a quick break and when we return a little Olympic talk. Bill Dailyaly spoke on that today before everybody broke off of the board of governor meetings. Uh a big hit last night, the Zukster Zukarella went down hard. Yeah, we’ll get your thoughts on the hit and of course the Buffalo Sabres taking it on the chin last night to Calgary. What do they do moving forward? That and more when we return to Real Kipper and Borne. A reminder this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet 365, Nick Ciprios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKe. Uh just before break, we mentioned a big open ice hit last night. Zukarelloo and Vince Dunn. Vince Dunn hit people. He he did last night. Seemed very out of character. Like this was u a hit that attracted the attention that you would think a hit like that does because in real time players don’t necessarily know if it was a head shot or not. We get to have the luxury of playing it back. Oh, I framed it. Framed it three times. Yeah, there you go. But here’s what I don’t get is like Zuckerello, who is a long time tenur NHL player, small, knows his way around these areas. He’s looking right at him. He sees him coming and he kind of cut into a shoulder that he wore equally. So, body, head, hip. Your conclusion was though that it was a clean head and no initial contact on the head. It was a body check. going through the body and whether the head is the first thing hit or not. He’s going into the body, they’re pretty low. Zakarella’s low. Had to be on his knees to not touch his head. IHF, that’s a suspension, but not in the NHL. Is it? Oh, yeah. You can’t touch the head. And even if he hit other stuff first, but we just said we’re not even sure if that happened. He definitely hit his head. Raised is raised his head after he smoked his head, but he hit his body at the same time he smoked his head. I thought the the the majority of the impact was on the body first. I think it’s all simultaneous. Okay. All right. Maybe you watched it 10 more times than I did. I don’t know. You didn’t think it hit head. I thought it was a wonderful body check. Yeah. I concluded the same thing. I I don’t think I think like you said, it’s weird that he would put himself in that position, but he was made himself incredibly eligible to be hit and he got hit. Yeah, that’s And then there was a frackus. Then it was I like a frackus. Then then it went then it went I am kind of drawn uh did you say hoot nanny? No I’m kind of drawn between I get the reaction and I also get people saying why does that have to happen after you shouldn’t have to fight when you throw a clean hit. But I also come from the school of I don’t want you to clean check my best player. Yeah. I don’t care if you hit him clean or not. Don’t hurt my guy. Don’t hurt my guy coming after you. Regardless of clean or not, the intent is a little extra than knock him off the puck. The intent is to hurt my guy. Yeah. So, don’t try to hurt my guy. Punish my guy. And also, to your point, you don’t always know exactly what unfolded. And it’s like if you go too far and fight a guy and it was a clean hit, people just go, “Wow, he didn’t know.” Like, it’s okay to air on that side in hockey. And can I just say the repercussions of being known as a guy or a team that does nothing. Yeah. Way worse is way worse sometimes than even getting suspended. Yeah. Like it’s sometimes you just got to chalk up the cost of doing business. Didn’t you have a teammate who said it’s good to once in a while go squirly across? That would be one of the best junior coaches in the history of the game. from Dale Hunter. Yeah, just just who just said every once in a while gets suspended. It keeps them guessing. Ever so every Yeah, just finish your checks. It’s like on Pier Tjon. Um Jeez, what was I going to say? I He can’t hear you. His memorial cup rings are clogging his ears. Cup ring or I’m not going in my ear. U in my ear. I’m not going there. Um jerseys or Bill Dailyaly? Jersey talk. Way more fun than Billy. No, Bill Daly. What did he say about uh everything’s uh dial in for the electricity. Let’s play some of this Bill Daily on the Olympics. Yeah, Bill Dilly. Um uh I updated kind of venue status which again they’re making progress. They’re moving toward their goal. There doesn’t seem to be anything insurmountable uh in getting to completion. Um I talked a little bit about ICE status and dimensions and some of the things we dealt with last week. Um and we’re still dealing with uh to a certain extent. Obviously the ICE dimensions are going to be what they are. There’s nothing they can do about that. But there are things associated with that which we have to clarify uh with the WHF. And then I talked a little bit about uh the house of hockey which is kind of the hospitality venue that the double chef has traditionally organized and this year they’re not going to organize. So we talked about what that meant to the people who are going to be attending. Hey, kill it. We’re good. Hey, we sent people to cover that. We do. Yes. Yeah. Free is there. that you jump on a plane and you pay for like an Uber to get to the hotel that you’re also paying for. It’s Colorado Springs. Information. Good stuff. Well, you know, now we have the information. We used it. We We used the information. Yeah. Everything’s great. Yeah. So far, um, cold ice is on the agenda. They’re going to play. They’ll get it sorted out if they’re this close. They’re three days ahead of schedule. But will the ice be frozen? Hoping so. They’re just there blowing on it to cool it off. Bring your swim trunks, boys. Okay, Sammy, we’ve saved the best for last. Um, unis. Yeah, your favorite sports fashion. You love this stuff. I like this one, though. This is a good one. Yeah, you set it up, please. Yeah. League uh approved the on January 29th, the blue Nordiks jerseys versus the red Habs jerseys at the Bell Center. So, of course, not actually the Nordics, it’s the Colorado Avalanche who stole away the Quebec Nordics. are returning to the province to play Montreal. Can I say blue on red? Blue on red. How if you’re from Quebec City, can we just say they’re probably not getting a team like ever? There’s big cities in the US that the commissioner saw some stuff about Ottawa asking for some money. The commissioner would rather put a team in London, England than Quebec City. He would. Maybe. I think it’s tough right now to be talking legitimate Canadian market. I would love for it to happen. My opinion is it’s probably not going to happen. So if you’re a Quebec City, you’re a Nordik fan. Would you not maybe consider cheering for Colorado? No. Zero shot. Zero shot. Like that’s the last team you cheer for. They’re going to wear your jerseys in Montreal against the Canadians. That’s going to kick up some sentiment. There has to be a absolute brawl. There has to be an The only way we would recognize those two jerseys together is if there was a bench clearing brawl. Those games do mean those games legendary. Okay, but what do you mean the only way we would recognize them? What does that mean? To honor the tradition. To honor the tradition. Sammy knows what I’m talking about. Those days go crazy. Yeah. I don’t want five lining across the neutral zone going, you know, red rover, red rover, we call you over like that. Don’t don’t play that hockey, please. Particularly if you know Colorado is as good as they are and they go in there in your sweaters and maybe it’s long enough that the sting is is out of it and they come in they plow the habs and you just go that looked good. Yeah. You know what that’s actually a good point. Like maybe you’re like one out more time for old time’s sake. Let’s go here. Did you buy in to the I actually have uh some former Nords fans in my life. one of my buddy’s dad’s uh Jacques is a former Jacques. So maybe maybe I’ll ask his thoughts. We used to uh when I played they played neutral sight games. Neutral sight games. I mean we played a I played an NHL game. I scored an NHL goal in Saskatoon. Come on. Oh yeah. Winnipeg Saskatoon. Really against the Winnipeg Jets. That’s cool. And they should have one in Quebec City if they would welcome that. So that’s an awesome idea. They could play one there every year. I bet you if you told Anlau you can get the gate and revenue and whatever. You play one game a year and come back. Boy, I like it here. Well, he’d like getting one sold out barn a year for free. You know, a guaranteed sellout. No, it’s not going Well, I’ve been seeing some stuff about them asking for money from the province. Asking for money because they’re panhandling to build a giant development. Okay. Funding. Not because you not a great start. You’d like you’d like it just to be locked and loaded and construction. single thought he was a billionaire. Don’t they just throw jokes? Yeah, they’re building a whole thing. Not just a an arena. They’re looking for Well, there’s already one in Quebec City. Quebec. Oh my god. S be so mad at me. But there’s a videoron there. It’s not that far. Also, I wrote that the Sens were the only team inside a playoff spot like a week ago and Oh, yeah. Edmonton is the only team in now. They’re heading south. Heading south. Well, we need five. Five. Yeah. Five in. You need a lot to go right. Two. Okay. Get two in and then work it up to five. Our thanks to Steve Alicette always for his contributions on a Tuesday. If you missed it, give us a download on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube. To our YouTube fans, thanks for the support. Give us a thumbs up. Rating and uh uh rating and review would be nice, too. Tell us how much you love Sammy. Mhm. And despise JB and me. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Okay. How many games on tab tonight, Sammy? 10. 10.
Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne and Sam McKee recap Monday night’s 2-0 Toronto Maple Leafs win over the Tampa Bay Lightning. The guys discuss Dennis Hildeby’s workload going forward, if Bobby McMann should be suspended after his game misconduct, and Toronto’s power play struggles. Later, former NHL goaltender and CEO of Clear Sight Analytics Steve Valiquette joins the show to share his thoughts on the ‘parity’ around the league, the Leafs’ situation in net, the less than ideal environment Thatcher Demko faces in Vancouver, and more.
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0:00 – Leafs vs. Lightning Reactions
33:35 – Matias Maccelli’s Future & Chris Tanev’s Injury
55:57 – Steve Valiquette
1:29:31 – Vince Dunn Hit on Mats Zuccarello Reactions & Olympic Update
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21 comments
Between Steve and Doug, can't get much better than this
Best show on the air
What if he's a 60 game guy? BINGO
San Jose = NOT division or conference.
Edmonton = NOT division or conference..
Neither game matters… Put in Peksa , for all we care… They are NOT 4 point games.
Do not push Woll too fast for a 2 point game.
I have more faith in HellyBeast/Actyomnov tandem , than the healthy but unlimber Stolarz.
I'm about to get into this one at some point tonight. Bunkis and McKee were sooo good last night on Leafs Talk..2 wolves salivating after the 'Beast' holds down camp.
Best since patches
Keep Dennis in bubble wrap if he isn't on the ice playing in an official NHL game for the Toronto Maple Leafs.
Pointer finally scores ⚡️
Did you guys blow the Christmas decoration budget , all $12.00 of it on the set lol😂
Fire the power play coach!!! Everything else has improved. Bring in Boudreau
on the whole leafs have a bad ability of judging talent
Let’s see if Hildeby is made out of glass like the other two before we do anything crazy
Are Woll n Stolarz vegans?
Lose the nerd.
What's the jersey behind JB?
Kyper 100 percent right about the McMann thing. Tiny bonk on the shoulder. Not even close to the knee, and the Trouba swing was worse and didn't get suspended.
100 percent there is a Toronto tax. The NHL never wants to give Toronto any favours because they are worried about being accused of such. We are bottom in PPs every year, our guys get suspended more etc.
Let double A get a start. The last thing the Leafs need is to overplay their starting goalie for the third time this season. Akhtyamov on Thursday, Hildeby on Saturday.
Hey Sammy, get George Parros on the show and ask him the tough questions. Like why do they tax the leafs 😂
You keep talkabout money that has nothing to do with productivity
It's crazy too because every time there is an incident involving the Leafs, the result (injury or not) is ALLLLLLLLWAAAYYYYYYS taken into account………and yet……….in this case Mermis WAS injured (leafs) and the Tampa player WASN'T and YET STILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL The Leafs are the ones to get the example.
It's honestly unequivocal proof that Parros just can't help himself.
I do like JB's/Kyper's point about 'not biased' though, and it simply being more about extra pressure on them to get it right because more eyes are watching.
Still absolute garbage that the Leafs have to deal with though. Feels so unfair. Just like how every player seems to play their hardest against us like its game 7. GUESS THEMS THE BRAKES EH
He’s the “HildaBeast”………