NBA trade targets who could save the Bucks season

NBA trade targets who could save the Bucks season

Hey there, welcome to the Euro Stap, a Milwaukee Bucks podcast, proudly a part of the Blue Wire podcast network and GSBN and presented by our pals at Prize Picks. I am Ty Windish, one of your hosts, joined as always by the wheeling and dealing Rohan Cotti trader Rohan. How’s it going, my good friend on this chilly Thursday morning? Yeah, it is it is been uh been a little bit of a chilly week. Uh hopefully everyone’s gearing up for the holidays and uh you know wrapping up work or something like that in the next couple weeks. Maybe take some time off. Hopefully everything’s going well and you’re not super stressed out about this Milwaukee Bucks team. I don’t know if anyone is now because we had so many days off. Yeah, it was a good break, right? Yeah, I think it cooled everything down a bit and Absolutely. There’s there was no opportunity for them to lose. right now. There is one. Uh they play Boston tonight as we record. Boston. A real good opportunity for them. Boston third in the East. Tatum is now playing one-on-one. Uh like actual one-on-one. I think he’s coming back. And honestly, my intrusive thought about the East right now. I’d probably take him in my top three to win the conference. If if you have like half of Tatum. Yeah. In the top half. Too bad they just I’m just saying right right now not even knowing anything else. Like they’re they’re one of the teams sniffing around Zubots. Like they turn Anthony Simons and one of their extra picks into Zubots and then have Tatum Brown white Zubots. Pritchard’s been good again after a slow start. I don’t know man. I don’t like it. Jordan Walsh looks good. I’m not a fan of this at all. Um then there you got the third in the East without him playing at all. Yeah. It’s almost like it’s it’s it is possible to win games without your best player. That’s it’s a shocking revelation. Anyway, so but we’re we’re here to do a different kind of podcast. We’ve done the Giannis trades. Now we’re going to do the trades to appease Giannis. So the the conceit for this pod is what if Giannis doesn’t want to leave? What if Giannis is doing what he’s done? A wall and wants to run through it. He wants to run through it. We’re not going to get into the latest round of reports either way. I just feel like we’re not getting anywhere at this point with anything. And Giannis is posting his own Tik Tok edits now at night. That’s when he does it. Good for him. I mean, they’re awesome. The Sabrina Carpenter one was the Sabrina Carpenter one was great. Yeah. Cameraman arrest the cameraman then holding a camera at All-Star or whatever it was. Um, but what if he’s doing the leverage, you know, the to get the Bucks to trade for Drew, to trade for Dame. Like, what if this was the latest round of that? I will say up top the difficulty is there’s no move the Bucks can make right now or by the deadline. You know, four days from now is when kind of mo most trades open up that will cause Giannis to immediately extend because he can’t you can’t sign the next extension until October. So there is just more risk in sending future assets to try and appease Giannis because the last two times you didn’t really need to prove it out. the the Bucks did the move and then Giannis signed the paper. That can’t happen. So, there’s the clear downside of you trade a first or whatever to get one of these players, it doesn’t work. The Bucks remain a playin team, which right now they’re closer to 13 than nine, I think, or 14 than nine in the East, I think. Like, it’s it’s they’re still in the playin, uh, technically, although they have fewer losses or more losses than the Bulls. They’ve just played more games. Um, but whatever it if it doesn’t work, you could be out the assets and not get the extension. I mean, you just I I don’t think Giannis would like lie, but you just can’t commit to signing an extension that big 10 months later based on a mid-season. It’s not it’s not fair to like it’s not it’s not feasible, right? You can’t you can’t really ask it. Don’t take these back, Giannis. We went 10 and 40 down the stretch, but you said you said Yeah, you said Giannis. you said, uh, no, that’s just that’s just not how the NBA works. That’s just not how it works at all. Like you can it’s it’s like Giannis may say he wants to, but you can’t expect that to be a reality. Like that’s that’s just that’s just not normal. There’s other variables. We’re going to see the rest of the season, the playoffs, and the offseason. See what happens then. Um, but that that’s not to say might want to just retire and go to Greece. Yeah. Well, he’s probably finished his contract out, but we’ll see. Um, maybe not. Um, but that’s not to say that it couldn’t work. I mean, maybe they swing this great trade. Maybe they can tread water better without him. And then Giannis gets back and they go on a little run and they win a playoff series for the first time in four years at this point. And then maybe he does say, you know what, you know, keep making these moves. You got another pick to use or trade this summer. Um, I’m in. Let’s let’s run it back. Maybe he extends like for shorter because now the max extension isn’t as advantageous as it used to be. So maybe he just tacks on another year or two, whatever. Whatever who the exact specifics don’t matter, but I just wanted to lay the groundwork here and we’re going to go through and basically try to find is there any trade we would make for the future first and just look at trade targets and kind of say like what would we give up and how much would it help the Bucks? Yes. First, we do have a little bit of news regarding AJ Green. Yes. Uh it is a diagnosed as an AC joint sprain and he is questionable for today’s game against the Boston Celtics. It’s questionable questionable practice but no contact on Wednesday per Doc Rivers. I I don’t think he’s going to play. No, I don’t think so either. Um we’ll see. But yeah, they have another few days off. Yeah, they they played they they after all those games in a row they then had and we’re into it significantly now, but they had a three games in 10day stretch thanks to the cup. Yes. Uh so they next uh play on Sunday I believe after uh today. Yeah. And then they have another three days off. Thursday is it then? Uh the app is not loading fast. Okay. Well, regardless, yeah, they have a lot of space between the games. Yes. So they played today, Thursday the 11th, then they play Sunday the 14th, and then Thursday the 18th, and then Sunday the 21st. It’s nuts. Um, by the way, last negative thing before we just do trades. I think if they lose their next five games, Doc will get fired. Next five. Yeah. Might be like next three. I I mean, I think Why is that a negative? I think that’s a positive. I mean, it involves the Bucks losing five more consecutive games. That’s true. I just highlight that Indiana game on the road Pacers. They obviously without their best player and they’ve been without a bunch of other guys. I think you couple that with also losing to the Nets, which it would be in this stretch. That’s the next game after Boston. I just think that’s at a certain point just something has to happen. Like pressure just builds in the NBA. I can’t wait for Doc afterwards to be like, I don’t know how they expected anyone to do this. We’ll hear 90 minutes on Simmons about it. That’s for sure. Okay, let’s let’s do trades. Um we didn’t see we didn’t see Doc uh doing Bill’s uh pause during the stretch. I know. He dropped an NBA. He was like NBA episode. But I was like, “Oh my god, it was just Rob Mahoney.” Which is still a good listen, but I don’t I don’t think No, it’s inconclusive if Doc went to play golf somewhere warm or not during the days off. When they asked him about the defense, he said, “U our shells just got to be better. We just have to defend better on the perimeter.” And it’s like, yeah, a good good call. I could be an NBA head coach. Hey guys, why don’t you defend? He did say, yeah, Kawhi Leonard, coach, he did say um they’re going to simplify the defense. So, we’ll see what that means. Hopefully, that means just less. Just play drop. Just do math. Just play drop. Just don’t be super aggressive and give up wide open corner threes every possession. Coach Buck KPJ said, um, I’m done with the fake news. When we’re winning eight or nine straight games, no one will be talking about this. And I was like, let’s start with three. Can you win one? Yeah, one would be good, too. Can you win a game? I mean, they haven’t won two in a row since um like early November. Uh I’m looking. When’s the last time they won two in a row? Or was it was it the four in one start? The last time they won two in a row was the four in one start. Oh my god. So yeah, let’s October eight to nine. I mean, I’m not dumping on him. He’s trying, I think, to say the right thing. I I would guess KPJ’s never won eight or nine games in a row as a pro basketball player. Cleveland to Houston to LA. No. No. Not at those times. No. So, I mean, great goal. I go for it. I would love No, you know, Scoot. I’ll start calling him Scoot if they win eight or nine in a row. And he’s right about this. I don’t know if I’m going that far. I’ll go that far. I won’t do Sakuta. I think they let that one die, but I’ll just All right. trades. Do you want to start with the obvious one or I have a really funky one we could do as well? The obvious one. The obvious target that everyone likes to talk about. Wiggins. No, the Pelicans. Oh, yeah, sure. We can start there. Okay, I’ll save my fun one. Uh, so the New Orleans Pelicans. They have the Bucks would get Zion Williamson. Uh, I was gonna ask you about Zion. Can you trade for Zion? No, you can’t. You can’t trade for Zion. I I I said that to actually start this conversation. I don’t think you should trade for Zion, who is once again already hurt again. Abductor, I think this time. Yeah. And they just said, “We don’t know when he’s going to They were like, we don’t know. It’s Zion.” That That’s what the release said. It’s Zion. Do you know what you’re doing? Do you know when he’s coming back? Are you kidding me? So, no. I think it’s a non-starter. If you’re trying to if you’re using a first round pick like a future first to try to be a win now team, you cannot trade for a guy who’s hurt. I I don’t know if it cost the first. It might I mean I I don’t think the Bucks have any uh do if you’re the Pelicans, if you’re Joe Dumars who somehow uh I’m I’m I’m hitting up Doc and say let’s play 18. Troy, come in here. Troy, do that. I don’t care about this. Go ahead. Now I’m Troy Weaver. Joe Joe left to play golf. I’m Troy Weaver now. Okay, Troy. If you’re Troy Weaver, is anything the Bucks have appealing enough? Kyle Kosma and Bobby Portoris and no picks for Zion. I just like they can cut him after this year and get off the contract. I just think they wouldn’t bother. I think the only way Zion makes sense as a Buck is if they’re trading Giannis and they’re like rerouting Trey Young there or something. Yeah, I think that’s the only way for the same reason of just like, “All right, we’ll just get rid of Zion if he’s not healthy and we’ll take the swing on him if he is.” Okay. But the real Pelicans target, Trey Murphy and Herb Jones, but the problem is, and we’ll get to this with Kaminga, too, you have to wait until January. Mhm. So, it’s not very appealing. Portoris and uh other Bucks who were signed this summer become trade eligible in four days, but because Herb got extended, it’s January. So Trey Murphy is the one you could trade for right now. Koozma and the first round pick for Trey Murphy. Yeah. And so the case for Trey Murphy is right, you get that you get that wing, right? You get that wing player that you desperately need and you get a guy who not like a prolific scorer but a solid scorer in this league who can is a multi-tool player and will defend. That’s that’s the type of I think that we can agree as we’re going through these exercises. You’re going to see a lot of players like that. I mean, I don’t know many this good. This is probably the rare one where I’m kind of just a no doubt yes. Yeah, I think I’m a no doubt yes as well because I think um more future bad but yeah he’s young and he’s cost controlled he’s making what is it like 25 mil a year for the next four years I don’t know if that’s on average it might go up but like around it goes up to 31 sound whatever it is 10 20 million for four years which with the cap going up that’s totally reasonable he’s averaging 21 points the last two years and three and a half assists like he’s viewed by Pelicans people as like a future star potential player and obviously everything for the Pells right now is rough. I’m not going to blame him for that. Dererick Queen’s a good thing for the Pells. That’s true. And that we were clowning on that. That that I I want to me specifically I was clowning on that. You can still you can still clown on that. Everyone keeps saying like, “Oh, Derek Queen has to prove maybe it’s worth it cuz Derrick Queen I legitimately no one’s saying this. They need Queen and Fierce to be that good because you could have just taken Queen at the Fierce pick and had the number one pick. That’s true. They wanted both. That was their issue. They wanted both players. They did the Texans thing with Will Anderson as TJ Strad. And if you get it right on both, it looks great. If you don’t, you look stupid. Also, it’s the Pelicans. So, they’re probably going to look stupid. The Falcons this year in the NFL. Also, they’re sending their pick to the Rams. That’s going to be like a top 10 pick. What? Because they traded back into the first. Yeah. Why? because they’re dumb just like the Pelicans. And look, Queen looks awesome. I’m not saying that, but they need Fears to be awesome, too, because they need worth maybe Camboozer. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Um, but anyway, Trey Murphy, I think he’s really good and I think I think he probably does help. I mean, he helps you win with Giannis for sure if your lineup is then whatever you want to do. The point guards, maybe you slide Green back in for more spacing. Either way, one of the point guards, the other one or green, Murphy, Giannis Turner is just a way better lineup. I mean, he’s um how tall is he? Oh, 68 true 68 wing who can defend a bit. He’s not a lock down defender, but he gives your offense so much more verve and he’s got room to grow. Uh this is definitely this is a no-brainer. And even if things go bad with Giannis, like again, you’re not bottoming out for years and years. Like a 26-year-old true wing. Like this is the hardest player you can get right now, I think, is like a true two-way wing player. So yeah, I would I would trade one future first for him. Would the Pells take that? They should. I would that’s that’s the next question. I I think it would probably require at least two picks. Well, you don’t have two picks. And that’s the issue, isn’t it? So, is that I don’t think the Pelicans are trading Trey Murphy away for anything less than two firsts. I mean, 31 first, 32 swap, and then like double mortgage swaps. I mean, is there any player you would like that people are going to recoil at this? I mean, would you include a Rollins or then is it too pricey? That’s I think where the conversation gets more interesting from a real trade perspective. Koozma Rollins future first for Trey Murphy. I think I’d do that. That’s tough. That’s really tough. Yeah. Um it doesn’t help that Rollins is taking a little bit of a step back. Yeah. I think two weeks ago we both say no way. That to me is where I start to go that’s more like you really got to make it work with Giannis and get him to stay cuz Rollins right now is probably the player you’re most excited about building around in that potential dire case. But also like I mean they win zero games. It turns out when they have Rollins and Nianis and Rollins is 23. You know you want to get better, build a better team. But it hasn’t exactly been like oh wow look how great we can be if we have to do this. Murphy’s certainly better right now. Rollins is younger and way cheaper even than Murray, but only for two years. It’s a player option on year three. He’s gonna opt out of that. So, you get this year, right? He might opt out at the end of this year. Yeah. Right. So, um that’s where I think it gets a to be a real combo for the Pells though, who like Jordan Pool stinks. Murray’s hurt. They they have fears though, who’s also a young point guard, so maybe they’re not even that into it. Um I think you’d certainly do KPJ and Koozma, right? I think so. Is there anyone else value on the KPJ’s like the entire reason that the Bucks are, you know, a competitive basketball team? Yeah. Well, they haven’t. I mean, I don’t know. Competitive. I didn’t say they’re winning. I mean, have they even been They’re staying in games at least half. Yeah. Yeah. In half of the quarters they’ve been competitive. No, I know. I I kind every team it doesn’t look like the the Thunder playing against every team when it’s the Bucks. Right. Right. Right. Um I I kind of think though it’s probably going to be one of those guys and the pick and Koozma and then it’s like that’s a lot of pressure. And then the other one the other point guard the one you keep has a ton of leverage especially KPJ who could hit free agency this year of like you’re going to have to pay me now or you have no point and will be. I I can’t imagine a world where he’s not hit free agency. Yeah. He’s going to opt out. uh only injury that same thing with Rollins. The reason guys don’t decline two years early is like the Prince situation. Yeah, he’s out for the entire year. Yeah, pretty I mean they doc shared like the guys who didn’t play and didn’t mention him and then one of the reporters asked about him and he’s just like gave this like dark scoff. It was like I didn’t think I had to say Torian. I thought we know the deal. It’s like yeah, okay. So, he’s he’s out out get well soon. Torian Prince. Um, but yeah, I don’t I I don’t know if I’m pulling that trigger to be honest. That’s tough. You don’t think so? That’s why I’m like I I get it. And you’re Torian Prince. I was about to say, are they going to cut Tory Prince? He has a player option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Rollins, Koozma first for Murphy. I don’t I wouldn’t hate it, but it’s not I wouldn’t be ecstatic. Would you trade the first for her? probably, but I’m not adding more port. Well, because it’s Portoris then is the money. Yeah, Portis. Yeah, cuz that’s like about the most drastic one for one player in terms of like impact on winning you could make. Yeah, I would do that. I would I’d be more excited I’ll say this. I’d be more excited about Bobby and the first for Herb than Rollins Kuz or sorry, Rollins Kosma the first for Murphy. I think I’d rather make the lowbudget move and just get the demon defender and shoot a bit. Or could you do Could you do both? Bob. Could you do Bob and Rollins for her without the first? I’d rather trade the first. Yeah, it’s like what? 20 32 or what? 31 or 32? 31. Yeah. Yeah. I wouldn’t like cuz if you asked me right now like theoretically if there were another Ryan Rollins would I trade the first for that Ryan Rollins? I would say yes. So I’d rather have Rollins on the I’d rather have two Ryan Rollins and no first than one of each. And I’d certainly rather have one Ryan Rollins than two. Like if you could give them another 2031 first but they take away Rollins I wouldn’t do that. So I value Rollins a little more. Okay, that’s fair. What would you choose with the Pells? What about Koosma, Portoris, Rollins first swap for Murphy and Herb? I don’t know why the Pelicans do that. Cuz they’re the Pelicans is the only reason. So then then your team is KP KPJ, Herb, Trey Murphy, Giannis Turner. Like yeah, I’m definitely doing that. Then you’re basically just the Pelicans but with Giannis. So that helps quite a bit, which was what they wanted to be too. And yeah, true. Maybe. I mean, is that less appealing to you than one or the other? I mean, you’re kind of getting just more good players for I think I just want one. I don’t know why, but that But if you would do the Murphy deal, you’re just adding on Portoris for Herb Jones. Like, that’s clearly you should do want to do that, too. No, I know that. I don’t know why that just doesn’t that that’s the one where I’m like, “All right, I can just I can just have a win rotation.” Yeah, if you’re just straight up just adding Bob for Herb. Yeah, you have to do that. That’s probably the only one where I’d get on board with Rollins and the first. Yeah, you’re putting a lot of trust in KBJ, but also like Murphy can create. You still have Giannis and you know, you really hope that you can win some games when he gets back. And I mean that they’d be kind of a terror then. Like they’d have like Herb Jones it would be tradable too cuz he’s under contract. Both of them. I mean if things really went bad and you had to. I wouldn’t want to trade Trey cuz he’s younger. I think you could get a first back. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, they they How long have the Bucks been at this huge wing deficit against New York and Boston and now Toronto and suddenly it’s like we got great wings, too. I mean, they’re they’d be in that mix of like they’re not as good as the Jays, but they’re like comparable enough. Yeah, that’d be nice to have wing. Okay, I think you’ve convinced me. I don’t think the Pelers should do any of those. Maybe the maybe the Rollins Rollins Koozma first for Murphy, I think, is they should think about. I mean, just get some future assets, but we’ll see what they do. They do have fears which complicates the point guard thing. Uh that’s a lot of time on the pels. We have a bunch of others that probably we won’t take as long on but we knew we had to do pels. Everyone wants to talk about the pels. Um I think I would do the first and for herb. I wouldn’t feel as good about it as Trey. He’s a little older. Yeah, I wouldn’t. But to your point, you could recoup it. Like you could probably move the pick up a few years. If you do that, things go badly and then you trade it and that’s not the end of the world. No. Can you get like a mid pick earlier because you really need it for the reboot? I don’t know. I don’t know. Let’s let’s let’s move to a different team. Let’s move to our number one team. Prize Picks. The number one daily fantasy sports app in the world and a team everyone should join. And you don’t need to be traded there. You can just open your computer, open your phone, and download the app. And when you download the app, you can use code Euroep to get $50 when you play $5 for the first time. 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They’re like this this was the best possible outcome for all of us. You know, I’m happy. He’s happy. He’s playing well. And the the weirdest part about it is he was playing well to start the year. They absolutely need what he provides and they just can’t stand him. They have nobody who gets to the cup and or and I mean Jimmy a little but he just plays every three games or whatever and they’re just like yeah we hate this guy so much. What did he do? He wants to be great and they don’t want to let him be great. Rohan but like does this lower his trade value? I mean it does. Yeah it does. Do you need I’m not I’m not sending the first. You’re not you’re just sending coups or some seconds. They don’t have seconds. Yeah they don’t have seconds. zero. So they have the fake you they can have the fake Utah second. Sure. Yeah. I mean I’m not You could you could mortgage a swap, I guess. I’m not not even Oh, Cruz is 2 million too much because of their hard cap. Uh yeah, it he has unlikely bonuses. So they have they’d have to throw in Ge Santos or Trace Jackson Davis. Yeah, probably Santos. Does he play It’ be funny if they traded Seth Curry. Yeah, right. See you as Seth. No, they just signed him. They have to wait a long time. They’re sick of Pods, too. He said he wants to be as good as Steph Curry, so maybe they’ll send pods. Milwauke, what is wrong with this team? Um, I don’t know a lot. I mean, they’re old and like they hate their young guys because they’re not they don’t act like old guys because they’re young guys. They they just built a team of Aaron Rogers. That’s what they are. St. Not less so Steph, but Jimmy Draymond, these guys move like Aaron Rogers. It’s just like, can you just run the right route? It’s like, well, no, I haven’t played with you for a hundred years, like Alan Lazard. I’m sorry. That’s that’s the Kaminga problem. Yeah. I do you think Kaminga would add anything to this team? I mean, he he does what he does. He gets to the cup. He’s young. He’s got ceiling. He can opt out of his deal after this year. So, you probably have to resign him, which is definitely a negative. But as we’ve seen, the market to signing him is not not expansive um at this point. Um he makes more sense in a world where you don’t have Giannis on your team. Like that’s that’s my thing. So that’s why I didn’t want to spend too much time on this because I don’t think it makes sense for to do a Kaminga deal if the idea is to really maximize winning now with Yiannis. If it’s literally just like we send Koosma and get Kaminga and I I guess I might rather have Kuzz. I mean Kuz right now um we can appreciate a little bit of this. Doc had some good quotes for once about this. Totally bought into his role. Has having his number one I think true shooting season cuz he’s just not taking any midies. He’s taken the most shots he’s ever taken at the rim. He’s taken some threes still which aren’t necessarily efficient but you just have to do it. Some of them are just like why are you taking this? But then they go in. He’s been a good shooter lately, too. Yeah, that helps the efficiency thing. But he’s really bought in. Uh he deserves credit for that after being like a lead dog in the whiz. He kind of came here. I mean, you know, if you see a lot of text on his Instagram story, just skip it. But outside of that kind of stuff, like like locker room wise, on court, not on court, but locker room wise, there’s been no drama. There’s been no issue. He’s adapted to this role well. I mean, if I were him, I’d be like, “Really? I’m not starting now? How many guys have to get hurt?” But we have not seen that. I think he’s been a good he’s tried to contribute well and has contributed well. So yeah, I mean you can make the case you’re you’re better with Cuz Kaminga who like is on a Steph Curry team that’s in the playoffs and like enough I mean I don’t know. Maybe they just hate him and it’s not all his fault. I don’t know. I don’t know. I think I’d just rather have Cuz yeah, we can you’re right. We can move on. I think this is if things go sideways like Turner for Kaminga I guess gets a little more interesting but I wouldn’t even be thrilled about that. I would need picks. I’m not excited about Kaminga. Here’s one. Here’s one. I’m moving on now. Okay. What about Bob for Bogden? Can you get in on the Clippers fire sale? God, does that really help you? I think it does. I think he’s better than the Bucks currently. Has he bounced back a little bit? He was horrible to start the year. I mean, his stats still don’t look great, but I think if you get him out of LA, I think he can bounce back even more. Only played 10 games, too. I I don’t think I’m with you. I mean, you’re just doing it straight up. You’re not sending a pick here, right? No. No, not sending a pick. I don’t know why the Clippers would do that. I mean, if they trade Zubots, maybe. He just came back after sitting out from November 20th, but he did have a pretty good game back, which was nine points and two assists. Is he better than Gary Trent? I don’t think he’s better than Green. Yeah, probably not. He does more than Trent. He does more on the ball than Trent. He’s different than Trent. He’d probably I don’t know. Now that you have the two point guards, I just don’t know if I need the ball handling that he brings in. Okay, fair enough. I think he’s the only player that would make sense if you want to get in on a Clippers fire sale. You’re not into John Collins? No, just go really big. No, not not even a little bit. Um Kawhai Center who they asked to play the four and we would ask to play the three. No, thank you. Kawhai, I don’t think the money works out. No. And I don’t think he’s he he has to plant too many trees. He can’t leave LA. Derrick Jones Jr.’s hurt, right? Yeah, that would be the other one. Like Bobby for Bobby. I wouldn’t The thing they just don’t have any middling draft capital like Bobby and a mortgage swap for Derrick Jones Jr. if he gets healthy. Yeah. Yeah. I I don’t think the Clippers I mean I don’t know. I This is one that I’d worry about like do they panic trade and do Bobby Kooza first for Harden? Oh god, that’s a nightmare. I think if they do that I I would not do that. I think that he does not solve any of their issues. He’s having an awesome season. Um, typically he does tend to trail off, but that’s how that’s how you get Giannis to stay one of his biggest haters. Yeah, you can hit him with a basketball every day. He’s new Desmond Bane. Yeah, that was a wild play. Yeah, Desmond Bane. I didn’t realize he was that much of a crash out. I know, right? I love how even Tony Brothers was like, “You were not falling out of balance, my guy. What are you doing?” Not even close. Um, I’ve got a weird one for you. Okay, let’s hear it. And I think you’re going to hate it. I probably will. Okay, so it’s a copycat league and you can’t copy the Thunder because there’s no deal that brings in 10 rotation players. And you can’t copy the Lakers because there’s no deal that brings in two superstar ball handlers. You can’t copy the Nuggets. I mean, you kind of already have tried that. It hasn’t really worked. What if you copy the Rockets and acquire a distressed asset and send Bobby Portoris and Kyle Kosma for Damontis Sabonis? No. And just go huge. No, just massive. Just big. No. Why? So you’re starting Yiannis Turner and Sabonis. Yeah. Get out of huge. Hey, you want rebounding? We’re going to rebound. They still won’t rebound. Oh, Sabonis there. They’ll rebound. Sabonis has been 12 to 13 boards per game. No, you can’t do that. Why not? How? No. Why not? I just I don’t think Giannis and Sabonis can play together. Well, Sabonis shot 41% from three last year. He was low. I’m like, what? Half an attempt a game? Two per game. It’s not That’s what Giannis takes. That’s fine. Giannis Giannis played with Brook Lopez. Yeah, Brooke would get him up. I mean, but do we like that? Is a great passer. Great passer. Turner is basically a small forward. So, Turner is your KD, Giannis is a men Thompson, and Sabonis is Shenun. You have like three Reed Shepards. You’re just You’re out on that. I didn’t even say a pick. I know. What if it doesn’t cost a pick? Then if they give us a pick, then I’m interested. I don’t think they would do that. I don’t I No. I like I like your creativity. I like the creativity. I like the You have You’d have an identity. You’d be huge. Have an identity. You just get run out of the gym every game. Yiannis is fast when he wants to be. Fair. Well, you got Rollins. Yeah, Rollins is going to take the the five and four. That’s just taking Miles Turner off the dribble. Miles Turner can hang off the dribble against most fours against like 68 fours. Yeah, most of them. I’m trying to think of the East. Well, like Paul George. I Bob can’t. I think Turner could. Kaminga, Wiggins. When did Kaminga show up in the East? Kamika. Kaminga. Yeah, you have to play the Warriors. You don’t have to play Kaminga. That’s true. He’ll be on the bench watching. Then you have Giannis guarding threes every game. Yeah, good shooting threes. Hey, man. Someone’s got to go. Someone You got to You want to win or not? I do. I’m just saying. No, I’m talking to him. I’m talking to him. Oh, got to do something. But you got to do less offensively now. I know. It’s It’s It’s not great. I don’t think you can get a a center that can’t play any other position. Well, you need one center and Doc doesn’t seem to think they have one right now in the current starting five. So, that is true. Um, you have no interest in D Roza or Lavine, I’m guessing. Or Monk. No. Keegan Keegan Murray poison pill makes it hard to trade for him. Is this the year you finally do Jeremy Grant? Um, the money I looked at Drew, too. I I what I thought was really interesting. Could you get both? But you can’t really get both. No, it’s too much. That’s 64 million in contracts. Yeah, you just don’t have the the bloat anymore for that. Jeremy Grant or Drew? Who would you rather have? Grant because of the position, but Drew is the defense. You need I think Grant. But I also don’t want Jeremy Grant. And you probably It’s got to be probably or can they take just Cuz or does it have to be Cuz Bobby? Uh I think the Bucks have enough room. Let me try it. No. Two million. Two million. They could throw in like like Prince or someone like that. Coffee. I think coffee makes the most sense. It’s only a one-year deal. Yeah, they could throw in coffee in four days. But that’s the first. You probably have to send the first, right? For Jeremy Grant. I think Portland would just be happy to not have him. Yeah, but then they have Koozma. I guess for for one le for one less year and he’s cheaper. So, and he’s good. Maybe I don’t do that. I don’t think I do that deal. No picks. You’re not doing Grant for Koozmo. It would be very much Bucks to He has the best game of his season probably the last three years against the Bucks and then they trade for him. Can you trade for Damian Lily? Oh my god. Stop. Can you imagine? No. Bob, it would be for Bob. That’d be the funniest trade of all time. Bobby Poris for Damen Lloyd. This would be the ultimate like does Bobby not playing just make the Bucks better? We’d get our answer. I think Dame would retire. What? I’m not doing this again. He’s like, he’s going up to the office. He’s like, are you kidding me? Imagine they have the same event where he just walks past a bunch of fans and goes inside again, except this time he’s just running inside. Yeah, he’s no the jaw thing. They just changed the angle. Um, do you think do you think all the fans would show up? I would hope they wouldn’t. Um, would you trade Bobby Portoris for Kobe White or Isaac Aoro? Uh, Aoro. I feel like they’d rather they’ve kind of had a weird thing like Kobe White came back and the Bulls have been terrible ever since. But again, like I I’ve liked Kobe White. I do like Kobe White, but I don’t think he’s not what you need. You do need Aoro more. Yeah, absolutely. You’d need Isaac more. You You’d have a stopper, would you? You would absolutely have a stopper. You trade Cuz for Patrick Williams and a first. You get the first. I don’t think the Bulls would do that. I don’t think the if I don’t think the Bucks do that if they’re trying to win. Sure. If that if the if the point is, hey, we’re going to try to win with Giannis. You don’t do that, Drake. Uh, Aoro has been a starter every game he’s played. So, they’re not like looking to get rid of him. Patrick Limbs has started one of the 22 games he’s played. Javon Carter’s kind of back in the rotation. Um, I’m good. Uh, Auroro’s dayto-day with lumbar just says lumbar. It’s not good. No, don’t want to mess with back issues. Um, do you think the Spurs would fleece you and send Kell Johnson for one of Bob or Koosma and a first? Yeah. No, you’re not trading you’re not trading a first for Kelvin. Here’s who I would trade a first for, and I said it up top, and I’ve said it all again. It’s Andrew Wiggins. Yeah, you love the Wig, man. Do you not? Um I just I felt like they wouldn’t trade him because they’re good, but now they don’t look good. They’re still 14 and 11 compared to the Bucks. They’re good. Um but it like the whole like we don’t need screens thing is not aging super well. It feels uh he is their leader in minutes per game. Like he’s just important to their team. But maybe I mean if you can get off a 30-year-old for a first I I’d be on the fence about that. You’d really need to make it work the next two years. He is a good fit. He’s a perfect fit. He’s a wing creator defender good shooter. Creator is overstating it. Wing scorer. Score. Score it. He’ll finish plays. He’s not starting plays. Yeah. No. No. Good point. Um, I think I think it would be I don’t know why. I just I I think I’d be excited about it if you reverse the Bucks wins and losses and there wasn’t all this other stuff because this is the kind of trade that looks embarrassing if you make this trade and then he out of sleeves. You’re just like, great, now we have 30-year-old Andrew Wiggins, second best player on a title team. Yeah. Few years ago. And it was I I don’t think he was I think it was Draymond if we’re being honest. He was good that run, but he was incredible that run. Remember Otto Porter? What What was Jordan Pool ranking on that team? Does Does that luster still apply? Koosma was the fifth or sixth best player on a title team? Yeah. And now he’s good. Yeah. I would I wouldn’t I don’t know. I guess Wiggins. I wouldn’t be psyched about it. Who would you trade the first for that we’ve talked about or other people? No. Additional player. Would you do it for RJ Barrett? Probably not. Yeah, cuz you I’ve been on Wiggins. You’ve been on RJ. Yeah, but again, like the half court success and lack of anything else, R.J.’s not helping. You don’t think so? No. Don’t think that’s what he brings to the table. Dylan Brooks would be a perfect fit, but it’s the same as Wiggins for me. Like you really He’s also like way too important to that Sunset. I know. He’s like a 20 point per game scorer now. Like he’s actually been too good. They’re too late. Um but he’s the kind of like tough three that they could really use. Um but teams don’t really want to give those players away. Did you get DeAndre Hunter? Yeah, weird Cavs season. Um, do they make something? Yeah, they might make a panic trade. Um, I don’t know what they would target cuz they on paper they have a very well put together team. Yeah, Gar they’ve been really bad in Garland’s minutes because he’s really fought through a lot of stuff. Stru has barely played. I mean like would you take Lonzo for Bob? play him at the three. I Yeah, I would just to not play addition by subtraction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hunter for Cuz I wouldn’t send a first. No, I know some Cavs watchers and he they he pisses them off regularly. He just gets in the zone and it’s just like it’s my team. It’s crazy because we would have said the same thing about Kyle Koozma, but now he’s just not that. Yeah, he’s he’s been better at that. He really has. Um I’m just trying to think of teams that would make panic trades. So the Pistons have been an Anthony Davis team. Do you think they’d be like, “Uh, we don’t want to pay those prices. We’ll trade for Bobby Portoris. We can’t get Anthony Davis, so let’s go get Bobby Portoris.” Availability is really important. scale. Don’t worry, we got AD at home. I don’t want to pay for Giannis. Don’t want to pay for Giannis. I’ll get AD. I don’t want to get AD. I’ll go get Bobby Porters. It’s perfect. Bobb’s available. I don’t even know. I don’t even know who you’d get. Like they wouldn’t trade any of their players who make the right. They give you they like you want Carris Levert here and they’d be like, “You want Paul Reed?” Every time he plays I’m like, is Paul Reed the best player in the universe? I see I see why people were so excited about him. Bobby Porter is for Zachary Reese. You would do it now. Uh I might add the first. Uh I don’t think the Hawks are trading with the Bucks. Uh because they’re trying I mean I don’t know. They’d be like we like having a Bucks pick. This has been great for us. We’ll take more. Sure. I think they’re trying to save some contracts for a different Bucks. Yeah, that’s fair. Um there’s really no one like you look almost at the bad teams. Oh, there’s one more. Um the one I want to run by you. I don’t think there’s anyone on the Wizards like Kisser’s been one where like maybe you steal Kispert, but again like you have AJ Green. I’m not trading for Chris. No, you can’t. And they just don’t have many. I mean like Alex Sar like a bad fit and you’re just not getting him. Uh there is a net but he’s been he’s hurt also. Yeah, there’s a net we should talk about. Michael Porter Jr. Koozmer and Bob for MPJ. And I’m sure you have to send the first because like why else do the Nets want to do that. So is he Here’s my thing. I should probably talk. I I Yeah. Is he a I don’t know if it’s going to translate. I don’t think it will. I don’t think because it didn’t it we literally we’ve seen this transition happen overnight. Like we we’re seeing why he’s playing this well on this team. He’s been a good player for Denver, too. It’s not that he was like bad there, but like he’s not the guy he looks like right now and would never be even on a good team, a good team that plays. Jordy Fernandez is their coach. He’s made them the focal point of the offense. If you look at just the stats, Porter Junior’s like absurd. Like he’s an all-star candidate. he won’t make it cuz they’re so bad, but he has been phenomenal as a 610 sharpshooter they’re running their offense through. Um, he wouldn’t be the first option on the Bucks. And I mean, just in terms of like, you know, offensive sophistication, shall we say, different universe. Yeah. Here’s my thing. You’re just trying to do the Koozma trade again. Yes. and this time involving Ky but but this one shoots. So yeah, that’s true. Shoots, but also has back issues that he’s been dealing with. Yeah, I mean a real He’s played 19 of the games this year. He’s been pretty good, but you do have to manage him. He’s at 39% for the fourth straight year or better from three on nine attempts per game, averaging 25 points, 7.6 rebounds, a good rebounder, seven or more three years in a row, and 3.2 two assists, which I assume that number would go down. So, it’s kind of just like what if we’re just big and we rebound better and our offense is still crack. It’s interesting. It is interesting. Uh the guy who who shoots is a good way to put it. I I think staking your franchise’s future to Michael Porter Jr. is a huge mistake, but Oh, then we’d have we’d have to hear all about him. Oh, yeah. The podcast and everything. It’s It’s rough, but he’s huge. He shoots and he rebounds. So yeah, it’s like it’s literally Koozma more even more media that you don’t want to consume but shoots. That’s the tradeoff. Massive PR negative but he can score. And if you want to copy the Nuggets like here you go. Yeah. Literally. Go get Go get Ish Smith out of retirement. Oh my god. DeAndre Jordan. He’s He’s He’s signed. I know. You have to trade for him. Love the Pells. Is there anybody else? But you would trade the first four. So, what are we on? You do Wiggins. I I I think we’d both do some combination of the Pelicans, guys. I don’t really know what else is out there. It’s kind of rough. Like Jaw or No. Uh LaMelo. No. Yeah. I just don’t think so. There’s not a lot of good, you know, wing players who are tradable because they’re so important. the I I don’t know why they did the first and coups for Jaden McDaniels. I just think the Wolves are like, “No way, dude.” No, they don’t have many picks. And I I don’t I just think he’s way too important to what they do. Yeah. I mean, if they would do I would I’d do that. I don’t know why they would I’m not sending a first. Yeah, that’s a player for play. Koozma in the first for Miles Bridges. I I’m just I’m good. Yeah, I’m not doing that to play the three. Yeah. Bobby Bobby in the first for Brandon Miller. He’s always hurt. Open up some space for the con man. Or what if you just trade for Khan? No, you can’t do that. They’re not trading Khan. Great white hope. No way. Uh I mean no there’s been a lot of players called that but um like Dallas is an interesting one to look at but just none of the players line up exactly PJ BJ I don’t think can be traded because they just extended him or at least not for a while. Gatherford apparently they’re trying to I wouldn’t do the I mean Naji Marshall this is where like having like three second round picks would be great. Yeah. Portoris for Naji Marshall definitely makes you better I think so. Could you get Clay? But why? So Meg’s at games. Bobby for Clay and Meg. Um Clay wants to play for a contender. Well, the Mavericks aren’t a contender either, buddy. So, well, I know, but I mean, and it’s just Dallas or Milwaukee, and I kind of get the choice there. Dallas is a worse team than Milwaukee, which is hard to do for now. Yeah, for now it’s close. It’s like a one game difference. Yeah, it’s not not not by a ton. So, yeah, I don’t think the Mavs a lot of the tankers just don’t have anyone. I don’t think the Whiz have anyone you want. I don’t think the Pacers are trading with you. Um, we talked Pels, we talked clips, we talked Kings, which you’re not excited about. The Jazz Jazz don’t really have anyone. I mean, marketing, but I just I don’t think your your package is enough. No, I would do the first Portoris and Krzma for marketing. I think Yeah, I think it doesn’t even work. I mean, it’s close. You just have to send one more player. But I I think the Jazz are like, “Yeah, we’re good.” Yeah. Kind of a bad trade landscape. It’s not great. I mean, maybe there’s a surprise player like someone like on the Cavs that you mentioned, but um I don’t think any of these guys I’m like eager to send a first round pick for either. So, I don’t think so. Yeah. Yeah. It’s It is tough out here. It’s a tough stretch for a team that’s going through tough times. Ty, it is the like is there a promising young player you could steal because their team’s just too low on them? That’s we haven’t looked as much at that category because that’s not win now. Well, I mean it could help. I mean like I would do Bobby Portoris in the first for Bzelis, but I just assume that they the Bulls would say no to that. Yeah, the Bulls would laugh at you, which is hard for but they are the Bulls. That’s not even That’s Buzzel doesn’t even make enough. But something like that, which I don’t know. I guess maybe Kaminga is in that mold. Um I don’t know how many of those guys there are around the league, though. No, it’s tough sledding for the Bucks who are trying to Pelicans, please. Pelicans, please. I think we’re in agreement that the Pelicans would be the best option if possible. Yeah. And then begrudgingly, Andrew Wiggins for you. Happily for me. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t love it. Hey, if the Bucks make one of those deals, I’d be happy. I’m here for Sabonis. Give me Rockets East. Give me Rockets East. You’re not Rockets East. You’re trying to Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant is a two guard in a in a four’s body. Giannis is [Laughter] no Doc’s here. Listen going Turner is a two guard can make the deal. If and if and if Miles is a two guard, I can start Bob there, too. No, Bob’s going out. That’s Oh, yeah, that’s true. He wouldn’t Maybe that’s why Doc wouldn’t let that happen. True. Uh not a great trade landscape out there, but hopefully the Bucks do something to try to mitigate this rolling disaster of a team, but we’ll have you covered for all things Bucks as they continue the season, all season long. hopefully win a game or two. That’d be great here on the Euroep. So, thank you for listening to this episode on Blue Wire and ESPN presented by our amazing friends over at Prize Pix. 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If Giannis Antetokounmpo doesn’t want out but instead wants the Milwaukee Bucks to make a deal so the team can be more competitive, what’s out there? That’s what Ti Windisch and Rohan Katti wanted to explore on the latest Gyro Step podcast, as the duo went through a ton of fake trades and decided if any are worth including the one future first-round pick Milwaukee can still send.

Targets discussed include Trey Murphy and Herb Jones, Jonathan Kuminga, Andrew Wiggins, Domantas Sabonis, Dillon Brooks, RJ Barrett, Michael Porter Jr., Bogdan Bogdanovic, Zion Williamson, and more.

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