Honestly, the offer wasn’t terrible. 5 years is too much for a guy his age. He’ll be making 30M and hitting 15 HRs in that 5th year. I would have loved to have him short term, but realistically we need more than 1 bat. How many RBIs do you think he’d have here when our team’s average OPS is like .500?
ok it’s over time to focus on who is available. enough
Erik Kratz talks a lot of shit for a guy who got DFAed by the Pirates after having -0.6 WAR and a .107 betting average. This guy couldn’t even stay on the roster for the shitty organization he’s taking shit on lmfao
The big additions this off season will be password guy and whoever we get for Keller.
There are so, so many things to criticise the Pirates about.
Making a $30M/yr, 9 figure contract offer to a guy who doesn’t even play the field, isn’t one of them.
Except not really but ok
Losers whine about their best
Neither of our big offers had a chance of being accepted, and you’re never going to see us near the prom queen because that’s what this team is
Why we dragging the pool middle school girls team into this?
Talk shit on Bob and BC and Travis Williams and literally anyone else in the FO as much as you want. They’ve earned an abundance of whatever the opposite of goodwill is with fans and baseball media alike.
However, it was an objectively fair offer, with higher AAV than the offer he ended up accepting with the Phillies. The issue is, with all of the negative goodwill they’ve built up, nobody wants to come here. You can’t offer a marginally better deal as the Pirates anymore, you need to probably overpay 10-15 mil a year to get a FA like Schwarber to sign here and they gave him a market offer, likely knowing that. Can’t hate on the offer (especially if you’re Erik fucking Kratz) but it’s not exactly easy to try and defend this FO when they actually do try either
I think we forget that actually having *the* winning bid for a top player in free agency is really difficult. You’re dealing with situations like Schwarber where the former team was always going to match whatever reasonable deal drops on the table. Or, you get situations like Corbin Burnes last year where the player leaves the better deal on the table simply because he wanted to play near his home.
There’s only a few premier players in free agency each year. You’re at the mercy of their demands and the market of several other teams who come in with varying levels of desperation.
Just look at the Orioles last year. Under the first full year of new ownership there was a direction to spend and help a young and talented team. Their GM didn’t know how to play the game and he struck out on signing anyone good and ended up with ancient Charlie Morton and non-existent Tyler O’Neill. This year they learned their lesson and got aggressive. Hopefully that’s the Pirates next offseason.
GOOD RIDDANCE SCHWARBER! now we can move on w/ trading for and signing Aaron Judge.
Do yall want BC to start holding these guys families hostage until they agree? Maybe take out a third cousin or something to get them to sign?
They offered the money. The player didn’t accept. It takes two. Pirates unfortunately are gonna have to overpay for the top guys – and guess what, as soon as they do that, people will complain that they’re giving someone too much money.
When was the last offseason this team was talked about even close to this much. I know cynicism is reddits first language but try and look at the overall picture here. They are doing what everyone in here has been begging them to do.
The Pirates are doing everything they can to make their fans hate them
Reaction to the Pirates when they don’t make an offer: “Cheap bastards they’re not making an effort”
Reaction to the Pirates when they make a very reasonable and fair offer to a big FA: “Cheap bastards they’re not making an effort”
The only thing yinz care about is being able to complain
Most teams don’t even try to get big name free agents. Only one team can even sign a player, so most teams are gonna lose out anyways.
These fans have been complaining for years at the Pirates don’t try to get free agents, and now acting like it’s the same old story just because one player did sign with their team.
Do these commentators think that Bob Nutting is capable of experiencing shame? 😂😂
Love the people rushing to the pirates’ defense. Yeah, of course it’s an unheard of good offer that we’ve never seen the pirates make. But bidding snd losing is still losing. And that’s what this front office specializes in Hence, I’m good with even the exaggerated criticism here. No franchise deserves it more. Give us an ounce of competence and maybe we can start to build back some trust and maybe some day give benefit of the doubt.
Kobe!
Y’all talking like a 4 year/120 million offer isn’t a good offer. Sure, he didn’t accept. But it was still on the table. You don’t put 120 million dollars on the table if you’re not serious that he could accept.
Kyle wanted 5 years and I bet the Phillies didn’t want to give him 5 years either. There were reports that they weren’t close remember?
He’s right…. You don’t “woo” a free agent by throwing out a contract and hoping he signs it.
It’s a process to get someone to uproot their life and buy in. The “pitch”‘isn’t something I’ve heard anything about when it comes to Pirates going for FAs (and that’s concerning.) what are they doing to convince FAs that this is a desirable place to come and play? If Paul Skenes making a phone call is the answer here, then that’s just not enough.
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I’m so tired of seeing Schwarber. Goddamn
Honestly, the offer wasn’t terrible. 5 years is too much for a guy his age. He’ll be making 30M and hitting 15 HRs in that 5th year. I would have loved to have him short term, but realistically we need more than 1 bat. How many RBIs do you think he’d have here when our team’s average OPS is like .500?
ok it’s over time to focus on who is available. enough
Erik Kratz talks a lot of shit for a guy who got DFAed by the Pirates after having -0.6 WAR and a .107 betting average. This guy couldn’t even stay on the roster for the shitty organization he’s taking shit on lmfao
The big additions this off season will be password guy and whoever we get for Keller.
There are so, so many things to criticise the Pirates about.
Making a $30M/yr, 9 figure contract offer to a guy who doesn’t even play the field, isn’t one of them.
Except not really but ok
Losers whine about their best
Neither of our big offers had a chance of being accepted, and you’re never going to see us near the prom queen because that’s what this team is
Why we dragging the pool middle school girls team into this?
Talk shit on Bob and BC and Travis Williams and literally anyone else in the FO as much as you want. They’ve earned an abundance of whatever the opposite of goodwill is with fans and baseball media alike.
However, it was an objectively fair offer, with higher AAV than the offer he ended up accepting with the Phillies. The issue is, with all of the negative goodwill they’ve built up, nobody wants to come here. You can’t offer a marginally better deal as the Pirates anymore, you need to probably overpay 10-15 mil a year to get a FA like Schwarber to sign here and they gave him a market offer, likely knowing that. Can’t hate on the offer (especially if you’re Erik fucking Kratz) but it’s not exactly easy to try and defend this FO when they actually do try either
I think we forget that actually having *the* winning bid for a top player in free agency is really difficult. You’re dealing with situations like Schwarber where the former team was always going to match whatever reasonable deal drops on the table. Or, you get situations like Corbin Burnes last year where the player leaves the better deal on the table simply because he wanted to play near his home.
There’s only a few premier players in free agency each year. You’re at the mercy of their demands and the market of several other teams who come in with varying levels of desperation.
Just look at the Orioles last year. Under the first full year of new ownership there was a direction to spend and help a young and talented team. Their GM didn’t know how to play the game and he struck out on signing anyone good and ended up with ancient Charlie Morton and non-existent Tyler O’Neill. This year they learned their lesson and got aggressive. Hopefully that’s the Pirates next offseason.
GOOD RIDDANCE SCHWARBER! now we can move on w/ trading for and signing Aaron Judge.
Do yall want BC to start holding these guys families hostage until they agree? Maybe take out a third cousin or something to get them to sign?
They offered the money. The player didn’t accept. It takes two. Pirates unfortunately are gonna have to overpay for the top guys – and guess what, as soon as they do that, people will complain that they’re giving someone too much money.
When was the last offseason this team was talked about even close to this much. I know cynicism is reddits first language but try and look at the overall picture here. They are doing what everyone in here has been begging them to do.
The Pirates are doing everything they can to make their fans hate them
Reaction to the Pirates when they don’t make an offer: “Cheap bastards they’re not making an effort”
Reaction to the Pirates when they make a very reasonable and fair offer to a big FA: “Cheap bastards they’re not making an effort”
The only thing yinz care about is being able to complain
Most teams don’t even try to get big name free agents. Only one team can even sign a player, so most teams are gonna lose out anyways.
These fans have been complaining for years at the Pirates don’t try to get free agents, and now acting like it’s the same old story just because one player did sign with their team.
Do these commentators think that Bob Nutting is capable of experiencing shame? 😂😂
Love the people rushing to the pirates’ defense. Yeah, of course it’s an unheard of good offer that we’ve never seen the pirates make. But bidding snd losing is still losing. And that’s what this front office specializes in Hence, I’m good with even the exaggerated criticism here. No franchise deserves it more. Give us an ounce of competence and maybe we can start to build back some trust and maybe some day give benefit of the doubt.
Kobe!
Y’all talking like a 4 year/120 million offer isn’t a good offer. Sure, he didn’t accept. But it was still on the table. You don’t put 120 million dollars on the table if you’re not serious that he could accept.
Kyle wanted 5 years and I bet the Phillies didn’t want to give him 5 years either. There were reports that they weren’t close remember?
He’s right…. You don’t “woo” a free agent by throwing out a contract and hoping he signs it.
It’s a process to get someone to uproot their life and buy in. The “pitch”‘isn’t something I’ve heard anything about when it comes to Pirates going for FAs (and that’s concerning.) what are they doing to convince FAs that this is a desirable place to come and play? If Paul Skenes making a phone call is the answer here, then that’s just not enough.