The Flames Have Found Their Game… Will They Still SELL?? | FN Barn Burner

The Flames Have Found Their Game… Will They Still SELL?? | FN Barn Burner

Uh, seven goals last night. Two empty netters. >> Those count though. >> But, uh, they do count. They do. You'll notice right here. Seven. And I'm going to put it right cuz it just popped in. All you need to know is, well, do they count? Handsome Dan. >> There it is. >> 70 10 bucks a goal. $70. >> There you go. >> Flames are 72 and one of their last 10. You got to love the work ethic, but man, is this frustrating. They keep this up and they'll finish around 103 points. Of course, there's very little wiggle room. >> One stretch at four and six, they'll be ninth again. >> Sad face emoji. I mean, look, it's a it's a really nice run. They're still in 29th. Like, both those things are true, right? They're not going to win seven of every 10. They're probably going to win four to six out of every 10. uh this >> which is the bigger issue and which is where they fall in to be honest. >> And to be fair like there's how many teams in the whole league that are under 500 like five like they're still on track to finish bottom five. It's just we're watching a hot 10ame run. That's what it is. >> It's a very good 10ame run. >> Yeah. And we watched an absolutely miserable one in October. They're not this. They're not that. The truth's in the middle which is what we don't want. I mean, if the middle's 28th, I'm fine with it. But yeah, if the middle's 23rd, 22nd, you're >> question. It's hard to cheer against them though because they Well, the problem with last night's game. >> There was a problem. It was loose. Like >> didn't like the structure. >> I said it on the Sabres broadcast. I said there's no way either coach is happy with what's going on out there. >> Also, just an observation, this game took forever. >> Oh, forever. We left usually a 7:00 start. You're done. 2 and 1/2 hours 9:30 9:40 9:55 let me hit the thing like what are we >> penalties and fellas >> fellas >> fellas >> we wrapped this thing up. >> They are playing good though. I mean >> sure they are. You can only play who your opponent is and >> they've taken advantage of home ice and a softer part of their schedule and they they're playing well. there. Wol's uh given them some stability since the road trip that you know >> they gave up four actually gave up five because one's disallowed on the off side. >> Yeah. And a shitty goal against if it had >> and it was not a good one. So I don't know. >> Never happened. Didn't exist. >> Right. Um >> that erased from NHL history >> because I wonder if you said Flames are going to Sabres will get four or five tonight. How you'd feel going in? >> That's probably a loss. Yeah, >> they've played the Sabres twice and they've beaten them pretty badly twice. Although the other game at least it was what, 1-1 into the third or 2-2 into the third. It was close. Um, >> you know, they've still they've lost twice to Nashville in the same breath, which is weird. They've split with Vancouver, another awful team. St. Louis has beat them. They're fifth from the bottom or whatever. I don't know. I would say probably their record is what their record is and uh and then it'll be their record next week when that's their record >> and then after Christmas whatever record they have >> that'll be it. >> That's their >> that'll be the record at Christmas break. Yeah. Okay. But what about the end of the year? >> Same. Yeah. This is a pattern that uh probably not going to change for the rest of >> Now. There is a way you can adjust your record. Sort of maybe try to tilt the scales in your favor. >> They're not going to do that. And they would be trading veterans that are, you know, even pending free agents, for example. >> My god, they might be going the other way. >> Well, I don't know. I mean, >> a 72. >> They hoodwinkedked a bunch of people last year and no, we don't need to trade Rasmus this and that. And it's like, was last year a success or was it a failure? Like, in the in the grand scheme, big picture, 96 points, unreal. Overshoot your expectations by 16 17 points. Incredible. Lost on a tiebreaker to get in the playoffs. Was it successful? It's like, well, >> no, >> if you were bottom 10, you would have kept that draft pick. You would have picked in the top 10 because instead you gave it to Montreal. >> Okay. >> And then it's like, okay, well, maybe if you were a little worse, you would have moved Rasmus and you would have got more at last year's deadline than this year's most likely given what the the market for D was. Like, it felt really successful because on ice it was, but long term it hurt them. It's a longer rebuild now. >> They don't. And I'm not saying I you always talked about trading Raspus last year without knowing anything as far as what trade talks or or anything. >> All we know is the trades we saw. >> So are you going to keep >> Well, I mean this this Rasmus trade. I just think that when you look at Brandon Carlo who's a right shot defenseman at almost the same salary and what he got for the Bruins and trade with the Leafs and then you hear that the Leafs went to Calgary first couldn't get the other one and went to Boston and that I think most hockey people would prefer Rasmus Anderson to Brandon Carlo I think it would be safe to say you had a first and a prospect at minimum on the table. >> So is that good enough? But obviously obviously Conroyy's opinion is no. >> No. The the the question would have been was he allowed and did he really market Rasmus or did they make their minds up that were innate at the deadline? We're not selling. We need him for a piece and we can deal with this in the summer. >> Oh, so you're smarter than >> not saying that. >> Why do you hate Con? >> Why do you hate? >> Well, I have lots of confidence. My uh Mariaidence is a little lower. >> Do you think that's what it was? >> I think it's a big part of it. I think the owner has a real hesitancy to embrace a rebuild unless they're forced into it. History to him the rest. >> Do you want >> you got a moment? >> Do you want to do it? >> Is that all right? >> Go ahead. >> Hey Mr. Look, we're happy that you got a big pile of money and that you own this team and you spend at the cap and there's a lot of resources for a winner here, but sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes a little shortterm pain can be a huge long-term gain. Thanks for your mir. >> Yeah, I mean, he didn't really tell him what >> think he's watched the last two minutes. He picked his He's familiar with business, but very familiar with business, but like is he familiar with building a contender >> to be fair? >> Not many are. >> Like, if you want to peg the flames over his time as majority owner, there's a lot of sixth to 12th in the West. That's the worst place to be in the standings, you could argue. >> Yeah, but you got to stop getting bent out of shape about the Anderson thing till it plays out. >> Oh, I I don't I think they'll do fine. I think it'll be a fine piece of work. It's just that >> you might get the exact same return. Didn't we didn't we almost >> put our weapons down at some point last year when they were right in the mix near the >> end. Well, he No, Pinder wanted to >> of course, but was there not a point where you could Well, >> it makes sense what they did. >> If we played this conversation for you a month ago, you'd be pulling your hair out like >> because this is what happens when you watch a 72 and one stretch is you start to believe and it's >> No, I I'm not. All I'm saying is I'm going back to last year when they were >> last year they were in a playoff spot. They were always >> even though it's yes, get this is this is not a team. This is not sustainable. I don't think this is what but it's >> Yeah, you're going to let them play this thing out. You're not going to take this guy out of the room because you've got a year left. You can trade him next year. Like there was all that stuff being said >> and then you lose the pick because it's out of the top 10. And now people want to talk extension. It got m me muckier. We didn't really see the extension thing becoming as messy as it did, but that's what stopped them from moving around us this summer. >> Well, and it is what it is though. You got to deal with stuff as it comes. Last year at the start of the year, we were of the same opinion as what we have right now. Rebuild this but this is not going to work out. And then they played and they played well and Wolfe came in and played really good >> and they were in the mix and we had to say, "Well, go ahead. Go for it. you've you've earned the right to take a stab at it and not dismantle. This year's different. You haven't earned that right. And >> I just don't want them to earn it again to be honest. >> Well, so are you fearful? Like I know you're >> a little bit. Uh because again, like projections are projections, but when you watch the group and you you know, we take runs at them for saying winning culture and all that, but like it's clearly a group that has not quit at all. There's still belief in that room. >> If you watch, >> none of the vets have said, "Get me out of If you watch those two organizations, you know what team you're betting on. >> Yeah. Which team believes and which team? >> I'm not betting on the Sabres. I'm betting on the Flames if they're going to if anyone's coming out of this. >> And when they get to the final bet, the over. >> That's right. >> So, like you had said this, so this run 72 and one kind of erases that horrendous start. >> Mhm. >> So, in a way, I mean, they're not 500, but it's okay. Let's uh so from this point forward if they play the way they've been playing I just wonder >> you have to >> we put so much stock into that team in the first 10 games like this okay this is just and I I listen I'm telling you I'm still on team rebuild I am >> I think long term >> my but my fear is >> they're coming out of it >> that they're coming out of it and now the rest of the way they're going to be closer to being a >> so let's ago I said are these guys a last place team and you go well they don't score and they I still think they could be last, but again, like we have to deal with pending free agents and veterans and things like that. But let's say they play 500 the rest of the way. >> Is that a reasonable expectation for the group? >> I think a 500 >> because if we erase the ugly nine game losing streak, >> what was their projections at the start of the year? 81. >> If they play 500 the rest of the year, that they have 53 games left. That gives them 77 points if my math's correct. Now, this might be a couple days old. Um, but essentially it drops. They're still bottom five. >> Like if you're below 80 or at 80 like you're gonna be a bottom five team. That's 500 the rest of the way. >> I can live with that. >> I can live with that too. >> Why does it keep refreshing the wrong date? God damn. >> The fear is they go on another 72 and one at some point and they start cutting their fingers at look at the fat idiots in that room over there that don't have a clue what they're talking about. Oh Maybe we are right. like >> so they've got sorry 51 games 51 points 79 POINTS >> THAT'S >> 79 points if you look at the bet 365 projections is exactly where they have them they 79 and a half I have >> and that's fifth from the bottom in the NHL >> I am of there is no fears but in me but there's no fear in me that or thought that they're making the playoffs all my fear is that they're four games above 500 >> yeah and now they're at 80 points. >> The real fear in the long term is that you're picking 12 and you don't get one of these four, three, four, five studs. That's because that's what your organization needs more than anything. And that's why I'm saying that as an organization, as a coach and a GM because there's no effing way Husk is going down there going, >> you trade Rasmus. >> Like where are they in the stands without Rasmus this year? >> Lower. He's been their bestie. It's like fact. Um, and so while you could justify on March 1st last year that they've earned the right, sure, but do understand that long-term you're delaying the trough. You're not getting through it quicker. You're making it longer. >> And now you're going to entertain bring guy back for his 30-year-old season on the first year of an 8-year deal potentially, and he'll be declining right as this theoretical young core starts to get into the prime. I don't like that at all. >> So, I'm not backing you into a corner, but I So, put on your GM hat. >> Yeah. What are you doing today? >> Well, I think behind the scenes, you're definitely letting it be known that Rasmus Anderson is absolutely available. >> So, you're kind of letting the league know. >> Here's my ask that this is what I want. And if you want to jump the gun, give it to me now. But I'm going to get this and if if I if I need to wait till the deadline, I'll do it. But this guy is on the move. And we look, we got a lot of wingers. I I'm listening on guys like Farabby Coleman Sharon like no one wants Sharon go but like point being like do you need Ryan Lombberg you got a Clapka >> like like I would try to open some space here like I'd like to see Matt VR in the spring's probably done for the year that's too bad maybe possib again maybe he isn't we don't know this year but like there's just a glut of wingers right now like I would definitely be proactive in taking away pieces from this >> to what extent cuz You're kind of walking a fine line. Again, we're not trying to back in the corner. >> Rasmus and a forward. >> Okay. But Rasmus, what if everyone says no? >> Then you wait till the deadline. >> Then your team is still >> right. But that you still got >> No, but what you're saying is that your plan is to >> you say if you can take out now, they become they play to ensure that I've said multiple things, but one of them is that like if you took them out of last year's deadline, you're clearly much worse. >> I'm aware of what if you can get what you want now, you do it. But I'm not taking like 50 cents on the dollar to get >> No, but that's right. >> You can get to 95 to >> because you also say that the best deals happen at the deal. >> That's why I don't I don't expect it to happen in >> So you could all I'm saying is we maybe Conroy has let it be known. >> I think he probably has Rasanderson's veil. >> Yeah, I think that's fair. >> Yeah. And >> it's just that their president comes out and says the exact opposite thing, which is kind of frustrating. >> You know, I'm kind of changing. Yeah. It's Anyway, that >> that's the messaging they want. So be it. >> I think they're stuck. if they can't get what they want in a fair deal in return for Anderson, he stays here, plays really good, which he is, helps the team win, and now they're back in the mucky middle, which is what's happening. And so it's like, are you taking into account the le the lesser amount of points you'll get? Is that English? Fewer, whatever. >> Fewer amount of points you're going to get by moving. You know what I mean? >> That's a really good question. How much less would you take to make this roster substantially worse and increase your odds of a top three pick? I don't know the answer to it. It's a good one for people in that front office, guys with computers that run numbers. >> Jack, get on Pinterest. Talk to the owner. >> Talk to you. >> Talk to Mr. >> Doing this again. Okay. Hey, Mr. Maybe I wasn't clear enough last time. Sorry to call you again. You must be busy. You didn't pick up. Leaving you another message here. If we could move Rasmus sooner than later for something close to what you think's good value, not only are you going to get young assets and speed up this rebuild, but you're also going to have a worse team this year and thus get a better player in the draft. Go get them. Thanks, Mark. >> It's kind of like that secret Santa where you go to the >> Did you Did you throw in the part about if you trade him sooner, you avoid an injury risk? >> Oh, shoot. Yeah. >> You want to call him back? >> Yeah. One more time. >> Okay. Oh jeez. Hi Mark. Sorry. Um yeah, just uh didn't mean to hang up. I had something else to add. Remember when Cristana was going down the tunnel every third game for like two months? We're pulling our hair out. No injury risk on the Flames when he's playing for the Stars. Let's get her going. Thank you. Bye Ryan. Bye. It's kind of murky. You talked about Tan like did you say gota dump it? >> He's got He's a smart guy. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I I I totally get what you were just bullshitting. >> I feel like if I if I didn't love the deal, I'm not doing it yet. >> Yeah. I think that's abs I think there I'm very confident they're going to get a nice return. And so if you're not seeing things you don't like now, just wait. >> And and if he gets hurt and they miss out, will we crush him? Absolutely. Like we will give them the business. >> Got two years left anyway, so we'll just run his ass over. >> Yeah. Uh yeah. And that's that is that is every team with every rental, right? >> You can't control the injuries. >> We didn't really take a run at anyone for that either. Two years. >> Fact. >> It's Yeah, it's >> What's two years we talking about? >> All those guys got two-year deals. >> Who's that? Oh, the manager talking about players. >> That doesn't scream. >> It's not a huge vote of confidence. >> No, it's uh >> it's not inconsistent with how the owner likes to keep people under contract. >> You know what it is? It's putting uh pressuret treated for your deck and not that composite. >> Yeah. >> Good for the short kind of. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's good. It's good. >> Survive. Good for >> good. Yeah. We're probably going to have to touch it up in a couple years, but you know, the composite like I'd last for long. >> Yeah. I don't know. It's uh >> little pricier. >> Feels pressure treated is the way to go right now. >> Gonna pressure trade. >> I don't like it actually. I never brought it up. I thought about it. I'm like, two years? What the f? And I I did too. I It's just seems like it's three three years is kind of the >> You know what it is? We were so fixated on why aren't they signing Connie? When you saw it done, there was relief. Whereas if they there was no >> relief and confusion. I can't imagine Conroy was running out the door this summer to sign a two-year deal. Apparently, it seems a little bit >> be better. I mean, you take it if it's offered to you >> unless you >> Well, the worry becomes, do you? Because there's some prideful people out there and there will always be some sabers. Someone will take the job. But do you want people like Craig Conroy and Rob Ray that care about like truly care about it or do you want someone that wants the job? >> One of 32. Here I come. What city is it? Yeah, I'll go. Like, and it ain't like Conroy hasn't put in enough time. Everyone, oh, he's a rookie GM. No, he's not. He's been around this for well over a decade. >> This is 15 years, do you? >> Yeah. Like, >> yeah, he's been >> plenty of timeout steering the ship, but he's running the brakes, right? >> He's done a good job. Like, they don't want to say it, but he's he's when you look at the team he inherited, he's rebuilding it. >> Yes. And he's not being supported by Yeah. We like what you're doing. Carry on. >> Yeah. >> Two years. >> The other thing though, >> so next summer, >> it would be naive to say that this man has worked for this owner for 15 years and doesn't understand how he does business either. This is not out of left field. >> And I think we've talked >> a guy calls bluff, not bluff. It's like, fine, f you. I'm leaving. >> This still doesn't doesn't feel like it's Conrey's team yet. >> No, it's getting there's too many chefs. There's too many cooks in the kitchen. Well, and look, what what are the issues saddling the team? It's a lot of the prior regime's mistakes. Like Connie didn't sign that hero deal. >> Yeah, that guy was terrible. >> Well, that guy made a lot of deals and some of them were big wins. Terrible. >> Some of them were big losses. >> Big night for our Eigor though last night, eh? >> He had a goal. >> Two >> empty net. >> They count. They count. >> I didn't even know he got back on the ice cuz I was at the game and didn't see him. I knew he scored, but then I thought he sat the rest of the game. >> Those nachos. >> What'd you have last night? >> Nothing. Monday. >> What? >> Monday, >> right? >> Jeez. Would have been grumpy. >> Not even hot hot butter. They've got the uh the uh popcorn uh sambonis. What? >> Yes. >> Cuz how big are they? >> That's a gift, Jack. Down to the dome. >> Let's go for a drink. >> Popcorn Zamboni. >> What are you talking about? >> So, do you remember the gravy Zambonis that the waves? >> Those are I imagine it's the same but way bigger, right? Way bigger. >> Well, I I didn't GET ONE. I JUST SAW THAT. IT'S FOR SALE. I was working kind >> Hey buddies, thanks for watching. We appreciate it. 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Boomer, Pinder & Rhett dive into the Calgary Flames, who are suddenly 7-2-1 and look like they’ve found their game again. The wins are great, but they also raise the big question: will the Flames still do the right thing and move out their veteran players, or will they hang on and get stuck in the mucky middle yet again? This is the exact scenario fans were worried about — playing well enough to stay out of the basement, but not well enough to become a real contender. How will this play out for the Flames?

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