Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles “Don’t Want To Get Away From Who They Are”

Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: Philadelphia Eagles “Don’t Want To Get Away From Who They Are”

[music] Hello everyone. Welcome to Inside the Tape on Inside the Birds. Of course, inside the tape, we've got Greg Kosell with us to break down the tape. I'm Jeff Bocher alongside Adam Kaplan. And Greg is going to break down the tape of an Eagles 31 to nothing win over a Los Angeles Raiders team that had 75 total yards, which uh is just amazing. >> Yeah, I I you know what I think when I was done watching the defense in particular, I think we should let the the league know that every Eagles opponent can only run 42 plays. >> [laughter] >> that. So, I really did want to start asking you, Greg, just in normal time consumption for watching tape. Yeah. How did this game compare? >> Oh, well, I love the 42. Uh, well, the other great thing about the Eagles defense is for the most part, they don't really change personnel. I mean, you know, on the D line, obviously there's a couple of DTackles and, you know, and then the edge rushers here and there, but the Eagles for the most part on the back end, you know, they're a nickel almost every single snap and they don't change personnel, so it's beautiful. >> So, you know, I don't have to worry about who's on the field. >> Now, fortunately, I have a in my system, uh, the list of players is is on each shot. So it's not like I have to search who's that, who's that, you know, but still there are a lot of teams that on defense play like 1920 guys. >> Yeah. >> And you know, then like each time, you know, what are they doing in this package, you know, is it and it's just takes more time. >> We're going to get Adam to defense in part two. We would like to start off part one of the show with offense, though. Uh because that was obviously on everybody's mind. And the Eagles executed. I mean, they did some things just statistically, Greg, that they haven't done all year, like converting 77% of their third downs. And we know that they're one of the worst third down conversion teams in football. So, when you looked at the offense, and I know you're going to we know you're going to say you got to take in mind who they're playing uh the Raiders, but I mean, it's not like every team does this to the Raiders. >> No, no, no. I I don't think I mean again we know the Raiders aren't a good team but they've also played some good teams competitively so it's an NFL game and the Eagles at this point in time even though the goal was to beat the Raiders in many ways the Eagles are playing against their standard and I think that's what I I guarantee that's what was talked about leading up to this game. You know, yeah, here are some things we want to do against this particular team, but we have to get back to playing to our standard. And I think that's, you know, I've been around long enough to know that's the way coaches talk about this. >> You know, it's funny because Greg, when we did our pregame show, we were talking about, you really mentioned it. They clearly want to be a running team. That's they want that to be identity, but they haven't been able to do it well enough. Well, I'll say this much. Whether they did well enough or not, it will be up to interpretation what the tape tells you. But they were totally committed to it. That and Sirriani, he talked about it that they wanted to play to the personality, what they want to do and and they came out and did it against a defense that, as you said, could be competitive. So, what do you think of the run game? Let's get started with that. >> Well, I think the the thing that really stood out to me uh was the fact that on on the opening possession, they ran 13 personnel four times. So, I mean, you don't run 13 personnel because you want to toss it all over the yard. You run 13 personnel because you want to run the ball. And the first two times and the fourth time they ran gap scheme with Lu, the third tight end crossing the formation as the kickout blocker and Dickerson the rapper. Uh the third time was outside zone toss to the field again with Lu motion crossing the formation to playside. Um and and also the the Gddard four-yard touchdown on the shovel pass that ended the drive was basically a gap scheme run action look. So everything, not every single play. And of course, don't forget it had the Herz design run as well. So much about that first series was we want to run the ball. Just what you said, Adam. I mean, you know, you nailed it. I mean, I think that's, >> you know, I don't think they want to go away from from who they are. I mean, obviously they want the pass game to be more efficient and obviously more productive, but I don't think they want to change who they are. What did the tape show, Greg, that w that led to why Dallas got was targeted so much and had a big game? >> Well, some of the stuff was was just I don't they're not gimmick plays. A shovel pass is not a gimmick play because it comes off a gap scheme run look. U his sec He had two touchdowns, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. And dropped >> second touchdown. It goes as a passing touchdown, but that was that was really just outside zone. I mean, it goes as a passing touchdown, but it it's just an outside zone run really. So, you know, >> I mean, again, I'm we're not in the meeting, so I don't want to sit here and say they weren't trying to target Goddard, but I didn't get the sense that they came out and said, "We're throwing the ball to Dallas Goddard." >> No, but he had a bunch of catches around the middle of the field game. So, I was wondering, was that a symptom of the Raiders interior defense not being great or RPO game working well? I I didn't know >> he got it obviously um he had a 14 yter on second and six on the fourth possession. That was a really well-designed concept out of 11 personnel. Um where he showed one-on-one playside block and then delayed release on a shallow crosser. That was a schemed play. Obviously it was set up for him. Um whether they said, "Oh, let's get, you know, him involved." Then the 32 yard on the first play of the third quarter was a very similar concept that they ran a week ago against the Chargers. Um over the years when they've run the flood concept he has predominantly been the intermediate route. So you know again they ran it earlier this year they weren't running it. So I don't know if they ran it because they said they want to get it to Goddard or they ran it because it's a really good concept against zone you know. So that's hard to answer but obviously he was the recipient of some of these well scheme plays. Greg on that the last two games I mean whether it's 21 pony we'll talk about that what you saw from that which >> okay whether it's no huddle whether it's hurts under center which is interesting that that is really becoming meaningful and we've been waiting for it Greg some QB design run so Greg >> overall you know you we've talked about you you've been quoted on our show like last week you said they finally ran whatever phrase you used you were quoted on it about these high level concepts. What do you think of kind of what they threw at the Raiders this week? >> I thought that they continue to do that and you know obviously the game didn't demand that you know Herz had 18 attempts. Um I don't know did he have a scramble in this game? I know they were designed >> Yeah. to the right end uh where >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Yes. But there weren't many of them you know. >> No I think he had just two or three but he ran 40 something yards. So >> Right. So, so, so, so really, you know, he had approximately 20 dropbacks. Um, they, you know, and the game, you know, obviously started to get out of hand and, uh, they didn't need to throw anymore. But to your point, um, Adam, I mean, the first possession of the game, there was a quarterback counter for nine yards on third and four of, you know, and and we saw some other designed runs for for Herz. This this was sort of reminiscent of what they did last year, certainly the year before. Um certainly in 2022. I mean, you know, this is who they were. You know, Herz is a big deal in the design quarterback run game in critical down and distance situations. Whether this becomes something they'll continue to do, we can't answer that question. We don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. But that's what they chose to do in this game as part of a running mentality game as I mentioned with the three tight ends on four plays on the opening possession. >> Right. You never know how a game's identity is going to unfold until it starts. And you know, I don't know what the plan per se going in was, right? But Greg, I thought by the end of the game, mentioned this to Adam on the postgame show, I thought this game was a combination of what the Eagles >> used to do or or typically do well, but I've been slumping at lately, which is quarterback runs, had some RPOS's, red zone offense they've been great at all year long, hitting the ball to got with just a little bit of last week's stuff against the Chargers sprinkled in. I know we're going to show and you had a flood concept. It didn't feel like a carbon copy of last week, but they may just have felt like they did a you didn't >> Well, they didn't need to do as much of it, Jeff, because of the nature of the game. But I thought even the first play of the, you know, the um the first third down of the game, third and three. You saw Brown is the boundary X on the backside of trips. So, what did he do? He threw the fade to the 101 matchup. I think he threw a back shoulder when he probably should have gone over the top because Brown beat uh beat Stokes. But, you know, again, maybe that's a nitpick. Maybe I'm wrong, you know, but um uh but the point is, you know, and then then obviously he hit Smith on the vertical route. So, you know, I think you saw things that they've done well in the past. Now, we know you can't live on those vertical routes, but we know that Herz is a very good vertical route thrower outside the numbers. The one to Smith, he dropped right in the bucket. These are things we've seen over the years. So, you know, uh we'll see, you know, going forward. See, I look at all this stuff as as as concepts. I don't think of it in terms of, well, they play the Raiders. This is the Eagles have to play to who they are, >> right? >> You know, and and if they do that well, we've seen the success that they've had, you know, I mean, clearly they're Super Bowl champions, so we know they can have success. >> It's not a bad team trying to figure, you know, trying to get good. You know, they've been in two of the last three Super Bowls. And I would add this, Greg, that you play to what the matchups show you and tell you here's what we want to do against these players. Eric Stokes, um, Porter, they went after Porter, the tall rookie corner out of Iowa State. That that now on Jeff's question, you know, about gotter getting involved. Maybe this was something they saw because he's a tall corner, maybe can't flip his hips well enough. Whatever the case may be, they had some things they wanted to do. And I know, look, they didn't, >> right? But I will say this, the Goddard plays other than the two touchdowns and they were schemed as well, but the 32 yard, the 14 yter I mentioned, I'm sure you're going to show the 32 y because that came out a pony. Um um those were schemed plays where he was the recipient. In other words, they weren't one-on-one matchups where they said, "Let's get Dallas Goddard matched on a player." >> They were schemed plays. He was the recipient. And for all we know, they wanted him to be the recipient, you know, and they said, "Hey, we can do this with Dallas Goddard." But it wasn't like they said, "Oh, we're going to get Dallas GDR on Jamal Adams." You know, it wasn't like they went into the game like that. >> Sure. But they did take advant But they No question. And we don't know the answer to that because they were not in their meetings. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But they did a good job of that. >> So the only I won't even call it a negative, but if you were looking for something a little bit more >> um against the Raiders, the only thing I would ask you about, Greg, is obviously the running game was still very sporadic. There were a few good parsley runs, but there were also a lot of negatives and zeros and ones. And then I thought the interior line at times, and I was at the game, so I I had a pretty good angle. I thought they struggled to make certain blocks that they've made throughout the year. Did you did you see that as well? >> Um, >> not as much as the past, but but at times? >> Yeah. Uh, and I think the run game, it was still sporadic, but I thought there were times where it did, you know, start to show up a little bit. Obviously, they were in a position uh quite frankly where they could practice it because of the nature of the score. No, I'm being honest. I mean, you're right. You're right. They probably wanted to be in that position because Barkley had 20 plus, Bigs, Big Bsby had what, 17, I believe. >> And, you know, full disclosure, I didn't watch till the very very end, you know, once the score got out of hand. So, you know, I did just watch McKe's three throws because I just wanted to see what the concepts were. But other than that, I didn't watch every BigSby run, you know, when it was totally out of hand, right? >> But he, by the way, when he played in the regular part of the game, he does look quick. I mean, and I'm being totally honest with just what I see, he looks quicker than Barkley. >> I feel like they're both similar in that they both will give you a really nice looking run, but I mean, even Bsby on 17 runs averaged 3.4 a carry. So, even he even he gets those hit behind the line. >> The run game, I'm sure, is still not what they want. >> Some short yards, too. That lowers the number, of course. >> Yeah, the run game's still not what they want it to be, but at least they got some good practice with it. And hopefully it just keeps getting better and better. Look, they're not going to be ahead against good, you know, good look, they're playing Washington. Washington's not a great team, and we now know Mariota is going to play the rest of the season. Um, you know, and their defense, quite frankly, Washington has struggled a good part of the season. It hasn't been anywhere near as good as probably many thought it might be. So, who knows what the what the next number of games. I mean, what do they have? Uh, three three games left, right? Two two Washington and one Buffalo. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, who knows? Um, but the bottom line is, you know, it was it was good to be able to run the ball with the volume. 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And I know you you made some observations on the O line that and the the personnel grouping here that set this up. So, what you looking at? >> Yeah. And the whole point of running a play like this, um is, you know, you want this to look like a run. I mean, you know, which it does. It's a shovel pass off gap scheme run action to the wide side of the field. Gddard looks like the rapper following Steen the puller and I thought my had a really strong playside 101 block on on Butler here. It's a really welldesigned low red zone concept. They're not the only team that runs it but I thought they executed it really really well. This looks like a run and you know you get you get the reaction that you want because you'll see I forget which stack backer it is but he goes he widens with Barkley. You'll see that because, you know, as you play it, you'll see, oh, it's Roberts. Look how he widens out with Barkley because it looks like a run to him. And by the way, Roberts had a very good game, believe it or not. >> Yes, he did. >> You know, but he widens out and now he's not in the hole. You know, that's that's why you do this. You know, you don't just say, "Oh, shovel pass to to Goddard." There's a whole scheme scheatic element to it. And you see the really good block by Myato 101 right there that um that Goddard's able to work right off and get into the end zone. >> They got the reaction they wanted from the Raiders. >> It's a really well schemed, you know, red zone play. I mean, for years and years, we've seen the Chiefs do this with Kelsey. We've seen that. You know, this is this is a good play in the low red zone. >> By the way, I thought it was you who said, you know, you were a little surprised Eagles don't run as much gap scheme with their struggles. Look at Steen pulling from >> and look what they did on the first series I mentioned out of 13 personnel. They had the, you know, they had the gap scheme runs. Yeah. I mean, and that's a good block by Mala, but Steen has his guy going into the end zone. I mean, he's really on the way there. >> So, just to take a look with it there at the handoff, there's the widening. And of course, it's Devin White, who I know he got yelled at by Max Crosby going into the tunnel. >> H there's >> Yeah, but and look at White as well. He he widens out and kicks himself out of the play. So, I mean, that's you know, the scheme worked. The scheme worked. It's beautiful. It's, you know, >> yeah, >> I'm a big believer, as Ben Johnson is, because I've heard him speak, in scheming in the red zone as opposed to just, you know, one-on-one throws. You know, I like that better. >> All right. More Gddard. This is the flood concept. I wanted to show this for a couple of reasons. Um, but also, >> this is the one the early in the third quarter, right? >> 32 yard. Yep. This is something that we did talk about a little bit last weekend that they were starting to do more of against the Chargers. These pass concepts flooding. And this came out at 12, not pony. This came out at 12, >> right? >> So, and it's conventional play action, meaning Hertz is under center here. >> Mhm. >> And you know, they don't they still don't do a lot of it. Maybe maybe we believe they should do more of it. You know, they'll decide that. But this is your basic flood concept. Just so people understand what that is. It means there's three levels to one side of the field. This time it's to the wide side. So, you have a vertical route, an intermediate route, and a short route. And if you get zone coverage, it's very difficult to cover. And that's exactly what they get here. >> Did you not because they run a ton of motion, I believe the most they've run in any game, did you think it was meaningful? Did it Did you see Do you feel like it worked pretty well? >> Oh, motion is always meaningful. You know, I'm not a believer in, oh, it's window dressing. Uh-uh. Okay. >> Motion is always meaningful. Even if nobody moves on the defense, Adam, that tells you something. >> Teams don't run motion be, you know, just on a whim. They run motion. It's always meaningful. >> Sure. >> Under center, which we see more. I'm going to freeze it when we see the three routes develop here. >> So, right now it's perfect. >> So, now what I really like about this and what is really good about this and teams are doing more and more of this is the intermediate route. The further inside it comes from, the better it is because it's really a flat defender read in zone coverage. And the further inside it comes from the intermediate route. Um, Snowden by the way is the flat defender here and he's he's he's really a DN or stand up outside backer and he's not really a a pass defender. But the point I'm making is the further inside it comes from the less likely it's to be in the vision of the flat defender. >> Right. So, so therefore it's just a flat defender read because if the flat defender happened to see um Goddard and he dropped with depth, the word we use is if he sinks with depth, then you're throwing it in the flat. If he stays where he is, you'll see how wide open it is because he's the only one who can play this. >> I also like that there are probably like three different guys Jaylen could have hit if he wanted to. I mean, it was so well designed. >> Yeah, but this is the play. >> You know what you like, Greg? Remember last week we saw a play where he could have gone I think it was a flood where he could have gone to Devonte deeper but it was first down just wanted the safe one. Here he had the time. >> 90% of the time Jeff you call this to throw the intermediate route. Now if by chance that corner thought he was going to be a hero and decided to totally drop off and play Goddard, well then you got the sale route, but that rarely ever happens. Normally that that route is just a clear route. Look how open he was. It's beautiful that happens. >> It's pitch and catch. >> It's great when you design it that way. >> It's it's a it's a route. It's a zone beater route concept, not a man beater concept. It's a zone beater concept. >> Right. Okay. This would be uh next one I wanted to look at Barkley's 17ard run because Lu is in on the play. And I think we saw this formation you mentioned a couple times. Under center split. Uh you have well you have two tight ends to the left and there's uh Lu who's offset. He's going to cross the line of scrimmage. Yeah, this is the same run that they ran on the uh Eagles first possession. >> This is This looks like 13, right? >> It's 13. It's the same. Yeah, it's it's 13 personnel. They ran this uh basically this gap scheme run twice on their first possession. So, they just came back to it. It's it's you know, this is gap scheme. So, Lu crosses the formation. He's the kickout blocker. You see him the what the Here's the rule, guys, just so people understand. Latu's job is to kick out the widest defender on the ball. You know, people say kick out the DN. Well, it doesn't have to be the DN. Depends what the defense does. It's the widest defender on the ball and then the rapper, that's the term they use for Dickerson. He's the rapper. He's going to block the first defender that shows >> and he could be a linebacker, could be a safety, you know, it's the first defender that shows and that's what happens here. It happens to be Jeremy Chin here. So, >> this is this is a be well executed gap scheme run and um you expect Barkley, that's the other linebacker, you know, from the backside who's coming over to try to make the play. That's Roberts. You expect Barkley to be able to, you know, to beat that. >> Yeah, definitely nice to see. And Barkley shook shook out of the tackle, too. So, you got yards. >> Now, actually, quite frankly, what should happen here is the double team as if you go back a little, Jeff. Yeah. Yeah, the double team by Myada and um Steen. One of those guys has to come off and get Roberts. Roberts is the backside linebacker. One of those guys has to has to block him. >> If he goes inside, then um not Steen, excuse me. It's Goddard and my and um and um Johnson. Yeah, >> Johnson. Yeah. So, what happens here is if he goes inside, Johnson has to get him. If he goes outside, Goddard's got to come off and get him. >> Ah, so Goddard really should have come off there, huh? Well, Roberts is not defining where he's going at the moment, so it's a little tough. Don't forget, it's happening fast. >> Yes. Very fast. Right. >> And if he, by the way, if he decides to go over the top of it like he did, then you can on your back to beat him because he's he's he's seven, six, seven yards off the ball. >> Right. So, by the way, we got right here yards before contact. He has passed the line. >> There you go. There you go. And now we have yards after contact because he shakes out of a couple of an ankle tackle and then drags a couple of guys after. >> That's good. >> All right, last uh play we're going to look at. I thought this was as good of a throw. You know, last year last week we talked about the throw to Devonte Smith on third and long. That was beautiful. I thought this was as beautiful as a throw as Jaylen has made all year. Greg, the touchdown to AJ Brown. >> Oh, the 27 yard touchdown. So, this came out of this is the one that came out of 22 pony. Um, Shipley is is has a plus split outside of Brown to the field. Now, the reason this is impressive is the Raiders out of they're in base. So, you know, you're going to get zone. They're not going to play man in base. Very few teams do. So, they went cover three and the post safety polomos cheated outside the hash to the trips side of the formation. So that's, you know, that's that's the critical piece here is where he is. Because if he's if he was cheated to the other side, you're not going to have this throw and then you might work to the other side. But because of where he is, all Jaylen does here is as soon as he takes a snap, all he has to do is take half a beat and just stare at Polio just to make sure he doesn't fly over. >> And then, by the way, because it's cover three and they're not carrying the seam, >> then this throw has to beat the overlapping corner Porter. That's who this throw has to beat because Porter, as soon as Shipley goes inside, it's his job to overlap the seam route. That's the way it's taught. And so this throw has to beat him. So there's a timing element to this throw. I >> was going to say that it's a timing throw. Yeah. Not anticipation, it's more timing. >> It's timing, right? So you see when he started his delivery, so too is because he knows where Polo Mayo is all the way in the other side. Notice how he bends Brown further inside. Great job by Jaylen here to take him away from Porter. If he let him straight up the field, >> Porter can get involved in the play. So this is >> Jeff, how many times have I done that? >> Many levels. >> This is what Jaylen needs to do a better job. Right there was phenomenal. >> Yeah, >> we the pass target make him go forward. Don't let him slow up. >> Yeah, >> that's high level quarterback play. I don't care how that's a great job by Jaylen because like I said the key there is that he he he bent him bend it bent him inside because you know >> that's Porter's responsibility to overlap that. >> Yep. That was beautiful. And you know he's struggled with ball placement at times this year in a strange way because he's always been good with ball placement. This year struggled a little bit. Uh we saw that even last week and the week before. I would say though, it doesn't surprise me that he threw that beautiful old pass on a day where in general he was connecting like he had it going and he felt good. Confidence is a a big part of the position. He threw that confidently. >> We we've talked for years about his strengths and limitations, but he's an NFL quarterback. I mean, you know, >> you know, it's funny the one thing that I that I get all the time on social media, you know, when I when I talk about a quarterback because there's strengths, there's limitations. You know, I had a former GM who was in the office with me uh this past Friday, guy. No, well, um he's he's retired now, but you know, he just loves ball and he doesn't have access to coaching tape. He came to visit and you know, we just talked about a lot of things. You know, when you're sitting with a guy for three hours, you talk about a lot of things, you know, and you know, even great players, he was saying this, not me, but I know this too from watching tape. He says, you know, all players have strengths and all players have some limitations. So, you know, if you say that about a player, the average fan, you know, oh, you hate him, you're a hater. That's not the way it is. You know, all these guys have strengths and, you know, that was a big-time NFL throw. You know, Jaylen Herz is a Super Bowl champion. Does he have some limitations that we all know about and have been discussed, you know, adnauseium, yes, but I mean, that was a big time throw. You know, you gota you got to let the tape tell you what it is. >> Of course, two weeks in a row. Two weeks in a row, a big time throw. So, that's a looksense. Say that again. >> He is throwing a little bit more inside the numbers. >> Yeah. >> And not to a guy who was absolutely wide open either. I mean, there was three by the time the ball three guys. >> Well, that throw had to have excellent timing and really precise ball location. That's why bending it inside was critical >> 100%. All right, we'll see if the Eagles can capitalize uh the follow on Saturday with their offense against the Washington Commanders. That's going to do it for looking at the tape of the Eagles offense against the Raiders. Next edition we'll go through their defense for Greg Cosell and Adam Kaplan. I'm Jeff Moher. You've been watching Inside the Tape with Greg Coell.

On “Inside the Tape” with Greg Cosell, Greg gives his tape observations of the Eagles’ offense from their 31-0 blowout of the Las Vegas Raiders on Sunday at the Linc in Week 15.

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