Coach’s come and go time after time there’s now reason why leafs cant make a change.
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Im more worried about our GM
If CB coaching style is actually the problem here. I’ll pack his bags tomorrow.
gm is the biggest issue
Exactly , if it isn’t working switch it up. Why not. Especially in a cap era where it is tough to make trades. Plus I just want to see fun hockey at this point. Not this boring slop of a system that Berube implemented.
Make the change. Berubes lost the room
At this point a coaching change is necessary. Berube is basically coming out to the press and lifting his hands up and is at a loss for words. There is a disconnect between him and the team.
They’re all to blame, to some degree. But making a coaching change is the easiest and fastest change that can be made.
Hard to ignore the contradiction of any remaining believer in this core saying switch it up
Have to make a coaching change. Berube and Savard for sure need to be out. The biggest fear is that this group just doesn’t have it, but it’s clear this can’t continue. And we are tied to the majority of this group for the long haul.
Not sure why I’ve seen the sentiment on this subreddit that Matthews has burned through countless coaches.
* Babcock was fired for being an asshole.
* Keefe was fairly successful but the team couldn’t shake off some playoff demons.
* and now we’re at Berube.
Those 3 teams have super stars and ours only have elite player who became… Eric Lindros.
when are you guys going to realize the star players arent good enough, especially in the playoffs.
you can count on one hand how many good playoff games marner and matthews had.
If hes not fired after what he said yesterday I’m not sure they’ll ever do it. The players either dont want to play this system, or are unable to do it. I miss the hockey where regardless of how many goals we were losing by, we still had a chance to come back. At least that was fun to watch, I have no idea what hockey this is.
Honestly I kind of miss Sheldon Keefe.
How about the players take some accountability for once? This is the same coach that took the team to game seven against the Stanley Cup champions last season. What’s the difference this year?
Keefe stuck around far too long.
So many arguments last night and today seem to deliberately be avoiding nuance. Of those three teams, the Leafs are closest to Dallas in construction (wild I know, but hear me out) and Dallas has had their own playoff troubles with (in my opinion) a far more well constructed roster.
Edmonton has 2 of the best players in the world who almost never drop the ball. That’s it. That will get you far. When you have undeniably the best player in the world success isn’t difficult to achieve.
Florida is a fundamentally differently constructed team that consists of many very skilled players who aren’t so flashy or fast as to demand top talent pricetags. That has allowed them to build the deepest roster in the league. Period. Their third line is better than at least 3/4ths of the league’s second line. And they have a top tier goaltending situation.
I don’t care what other teams did because I’m looking at this roster and can see it’s bad. Their first line, if at 100%, is top 10 in the league, maybe (depends on who’s on the wing). That’s entirely because of Matthews and Knies. Matthews hasn’t been at 100% for all of this season, all of last, and the playoffs of the season before that. The second line, if Nylander is playing at 100%, is still not that great unless he drives it. It’s a rotating cast of characters. Tavares at 100% brings the line up to an impressive place, but he too has dropped off. The third and forth lines both have come together at points but there’s too much rotation to really know what we’ve got (along with injuries) and admittedly yes, that is on Berube.
People blame Matthew’s drop off on Berube but that’s just guessing, and ignores the injuries. I don’t think this system caters to him but I’m sorry, if he is such a one dimensional player that he can’t use his shot, which 2 years ago we were confidently calling the best in the league, to score, then he’s not a 13.25 million dollar player. I agree players haven’t been feeding him enough. I agree the new system gives him less room. But the best players make do, and I would have been fine with 69 goal Matthews dropping down to 50 or even less if it contributed to a better overall team. Matthews even still is a great player, but his price tag is unjustifiable and his seeming complete lack of engagement moreso. He isn’t acting like a captain and he isn’t playing like a star. And because he takes up so much cap, there is far less that can be done to solve this. He needs a dedicated playmaker (not even Marner level, he didn’t play with Marner for large chunks of the last couple seasons) that is consistent. Domi was supposed to be that but he just isn’t. Maccelli… yikes.
I hate how much Berube rotates people around on lines but can you fully blame him? He doesn’t have a team, he has a collection of random guys, half of whom seem to despise hockey. There are very, very deep seeded issues on this team and while I don’t care much either way if Berube goes, I promise you far more needs to be done for them to even reach where they were last season.
Either it is the coach or every player on this team with a record of putting up great offense season after season has regressed at the same time…including players who rarely played on the same line as Marner.
It is easy to see the coach has lost the room and when that happens there is only one reasonable solution.
It’s the fucking group. They aren’t willing to do what it takes to win, you know, like grind and actually defend and play with grit. Almost every other teams superstars plays with more grit than ours.
But the issue is that regardless of the coach, it’s been the same issues we’re having so you can’t say it’s the coach.
It’s sad to know with certainty that my dad, in his 70s, will not see this team hoist another cup. I had hoped we would get to share one together.
I was never a fan of the Tre or Berube hiring. I feel like this franchise waited soooo long to make changes to those 2 very polarizing positions and they went with the first thing they saw when other better (imo) options were out there.
With that said, this team was excellent last year so wtf gives? Berube has lost the room and Tre has lost this team.
To be fair, some of those coaches didn’t leave because of a bad record. Like Quenneville.
Or. They also had too many coaches?
I think it’s obvious they need a new coach but they don’t deserve a new head coach.
Those teams have also had way more success than two playoff wins in 10 years.
To imply coaching is the reason the Leafs suck is a joke.
25 comments
Im more worried about our GM
If CB coaching style is actually the problem here. I’ll pack his bags tomorrow.
gm is the biggest issue
Exactly , if it isn’t working switch it up. Why not. Especially in a cap era where it is tough to make trades. Plus I just want to see fun hockey at this point. Not this boring slop of a system that Berube implemented.
Make the change. Berubes lost the room
At this point a coaching change is necessary. Berube is basically coming out to the press and lifting his hands up and is at a loss for words. There is a disconnect between him and the team.
They’re all to blame, to some degree. But making a coaching change is the easiest and fastest change that can be made.
Hard to ignore the contradiction of any remaining believer in this core saying switch it up
Have to make a coaching change. Berube and Savard for sure need to be out. The biggest fear is that this group just doesn’t have it, but it’s clear this can’t continue. And we are tied to the majority of this group for the long haul.
Not sure why I’ve seen the sentiment on this subreddit that Matthews has burned through countless coaches.
* Babcock was fired for being an asshole.
* Keefe was fairly successful but the team couldn’t shake off some playoff demons.
* and now we’re at Berube.
Those 3 teams have super stars and ours only have elite player who became… Eric Lindros.
when are you guys going to realize the star players arent good enough, especially in the playoffs.
you can count on one hand how many good playoff games marner and matthews had.
If hes not fired after what he said yesterday I’m not sure they’ll ever do it. The players either dont want to play this system, or are unable to do it. I miss the hockey where regardless of how many goals we were losing by, we still had a chance to come back. At least that was fun to watch, I have no idea what hockey this is.
Honestly I kind of miss Sheldon Keefe.
How about the players take some accountability for once? This is the same coach that took the team to game seven against the Stanley Cup champions last season. What’s the difference this year?
Keefe stuck around far too long.
So many arguments last night and today seem to deliberately be avoiding nuance. Of those three teams, the Leafs are closest to Dallas in construction (wild I know, but hear me out) and Dallas has had their own playoff troubles with (in my opinion) a far more well constructed roster.
Edmonton has 2 of the best players in the world who almost never drop the ball. That’s it. That will get you far. When you have undeniably the best player in the world success isn’t difficult to achieve.
Florida is a fundamentally differently constructed team that consists of many very skilled players who aren’t so flashy or fast as to demand top talent pricetags. That has allowed them to build the deepest roster in the league. Period. Their third line is better than at least 3/4ths of the league’s second line. And they have a top tier goaltending situation.
I don’t care what other teams did because I’m looking at this roster and can see it’s bad. Their first line, if at 100%, is top 10 in the league, maybe (depends on who’s on the wing). That’s entirely because of Matthews and Knies. Matthews hasn’t been at 100% for all of this season, all of last, and the playoffs of the season before that. The second line, if Nylander is playing at 100%, is still not that great unless he drives it. It’s a rotating cast of characters. Tavares at 100% brings the line up to an impressive place, but he too has dropped off. The third and forth lines both have come together at points but there’s too much rotation to really know what we’ve got (along with injuries) and admittedly yes, that is on Berube.
People blame Matthew’s drop off on Berube but that’s just guessing, and ignores the injuries. I don’t think this system caters to him but I’m sorry, if he is such a one dimensional player that he can’t use his shot, which 2 years ago we were confidently calling the best in the league, to score, then he’s not a 13.25 million dollar player. I agree players haven’t been feeding him enough. I agree the new system gives him less room. But the best players make do, and I would have been fine with 69 goal Matthews dropping down to 50 or even less if it contributed to a better overall team. Matthews even still is a great player, but his price tag is unjustifiable and his seeming complete lack of engagement moreso. He isn’t acting like a captain and he isn’t playing like a star. And because he takes up so much cap, there is far less that can be done to solve this. He needs a dedicated playmaker (not even Marner level, he didn’t play with Marner for large chunks of the last couple seasons) that is consistent. Domi was supposed to be that but he just isn’t. Maccelli… yikes.
I hate how much Berube rotates people around on lines but can you fully blame him? He doesn’t have a team, he has a collection of random guys, half of whom seem to despise hockey. There are very, very deep seeded issues on this team and while I don’t care much either way if Berube goes, I promise you far more needs to be done for them to even reach where they were last season.
Either it is the coach or every player on this team with a record of putting up great offense season after season has regressed at the same time…including players who rarely played on the same line as Marner.
It is easy to see the coach has lost the room and when that happens there is only one reasonable solution.
It’s the fucking group. They aren’t willing to do what it takes to win, you know, like grind and actually defend and play with grit. Almost every other teams superstars plays with more grit than ours.
But the issue is that regardless of the coach, it’s been the same issues we’re having so you can’t say it’s the coach.
It’s sad to know with certainty that my dad, in his 70s, will not see this team hoist another cup. I had hoped we would get to share one together.
I was never a fan of the Tre or Berube hiring. I feel like this franchise waited soooo long to make changes to those 2 very polarizing positions and they went with the first thing they saw when other better (imo) options were out there.
With that said, this team was excellent last year so wtf gives? Berube has lost the room and Tre has lost this team.
To be fair, some of those coaches didn’t leave because of a bad record. Like Quenneville.
Or. They also had too many coaches?
I think it’s obvious they need a new coach but they don’t deserve a new head coach.
Those teams have also had way more success than two playoff wins in 10 years.
To imply coaching is the reason the Leafs suck is a joke.
The players don’t work together.