Orioles acquire Shane Baz from Rays | Banner Baseball Show

Orioles acquire Shane Baz from Rays | Banner Baseball Show

It is the Banner baseball show. Paul Mano joined by Baltimore Banner sports columnist Kyle Goon on a Friday in December to react to the breaking news that the Baltimore Orioles have added to their rotation a week after introducing Pete Alonzo, their big bat, their free agent sneige to Baltimore. They add to their pitching staff by acquiring Shane Bos, right-handed pitcher from the Tampa Bay Rays in exchange for four prospects and a draft pick. We are going to break this down from every angle. Thanks so much if you’re tuning in live on YouTube X or Facebook. Give us a like, give us a thumbs up, write us a comment. We’ll try to get to some of those. Could be listening to us after the fact on any of your favorite podcast platforms. In in which case, write us a fivestar review and I’ll read it out here on the show. We might be joined at some point by the always busy John Mioli. You might drop in with a few of his takes, but in the meantime, you’re stuck with me and Kyle. Let’s talk about this news, Kyle. The It was originally reported by Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, confirmed by our own Andy Kusca, and then became official shortly thereafter. The Orioles getting 26-year-old righty Shane Bos from Tampa Bay. The return is outfield prospect Slater Debrun, right-handed pitching prospect Michael Ferrett, catching prospect Kaden Boddine, outfield prospect Austin Over, and a competitive balance round pick number 33 overall. Kyle, what was your reaction when you saw this trade and when you saw the return? >> Well, I I wish I had a reaction like you. you are bringing uh 8 a.m. first coffee of the morning energy right now when you know a lot of people are maybe taking a Friday nap. But um I’m I’m psyched. I mean I I have been you know ever since I got here in 2023 I’ve sort of been ringing the bell um that Mike Elias has to do more um especially with prospects be less protective. I mean, I think it was wasn’t before this year that Mike hadn’t traded a top 10 Orioles prospect at all in his history as as the GM of this franchise. Um, so, you know, I know people are going to be looking and sort of weighing doing equations in their head of like, okay, what’s the return on this? And and Bos, you know, is not coming off of his best year. But at the same time, I mean, I just think Mike Elias is finally kind of making moves with conviction. He’s taking some risks and when you’re in win now mode, that’s what you should do. So, I I am encouraged by what I’ve seen from this trade and some of the other moves the Orioles have taken this off season. >> Yeah, you can’t say that the Orioles have not made win now moves. It started with them trading Grayson Rodriguez to the LA Angels in exchange for Taylor Ward, continued with them handing $155 million to Pete Alonzo, and now they add somebody to their rotation. And we knew that this was the most important need for the Orioles. And it still is. To me, this is the first of what should be a few moves that the Orioles have to make to their rotation because in all likelihood, Shane Bos is not being acquired to be the Orioles ace, and he shouldn’t be given his career statistics. 12th overall pick by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 2017. He was a player to be named later in a trade a year later that sent Tyler Glass now to the Rays, that sent Chris Archer the other way. It was a terrible deal for the Pirates. a terrific deal for Tampa Bay. But in four seasons for for Tampa Bay, Shane Bos has only appeared in 54 games. Made just three starts in 2021, six starts in 2022, missed all of 2023, then had 14 starts in 2024 and 31 starts in 2025. He’s got a career 425 RA and nineks per nine with a career whip of 1.2. And Kyle, you made a comparison in our Slack channel to another pitcher that the Orioles just dealt away. >> Yeah. I uh I said to you and John, I said, “Am I crazy or is this sort of like getting Grayson Rodriguez back?” [laughter] And if you look at the baseball savant figures, um not for last year, um but for 2021 when when um Shane Bos really first came into the league, a lot of power, um a lot of misss, um a lot of strikeout potential. Um you know, he was not that and he hasn’t been that since coming back from his Tommy John in in 2023. Um but, you know, I I think there’s potential for I mean, he he threw hard last year. He threw um harder than he did right before his surgery. Um he, you know, played a full slate last year. Um Andy Costa made a great um statistical split showing that at Stein Burner Field, you know, aa ballpark where the Rays played last year because they weren’t able to play in their own stadium. Well, his erra was a lot higher than on the road. So, I think the Orioles sense, okay, this is a guy who was a firstround talent. Um, has a lot of power, um, can, you know, in his upside be a strikeout machine. So, it does kind of feel like, okay, you traded away Grayson Rodriguez because you weren’t sure what his health was going to be this year. And you kind of got back Grayson Rodriguez, who I mean, it looks like Shane Bos is gonna be able to play this year. So, maybe that’s maybe that’s the upgrade plus Taylor Ward, but it’s uh funny how that worked out. It is. I mean, obviously Grayson Rodriguez didn’t pitch at all in 2025, and he missed the final month or so of the season in 2024, but the Orioles were saying going into this winter that they were expecting Grayson Rodriguez to be healthy at the start of spring training, that he was on a throwing program, and then they deal him in exchange for Taylor Ward, and they get back a guy who has had a lot of injuries over the course of his career. Now, Grayson Rodriguez um has dealt with oblique injuries. He has not had Tommy John surgery. He may require it at some point because he’s a hardthrowing righty. That’s that’s typically just the path for a lot of these guys. Shane Bos already has Tommy John in his past. That doesn’t mean that he won’t get it again in the future. We’ve seen guys like John Means get it multiple times, but if you look on the positive side, you could say maybe he got the Tommy John out of the way earlier in his career. He’s still only 26. And the thing with the Grayson Rodriguez trade was the Orioles gave up a lot of years of control. They gave up four years of control for Taylor Ward. I mean, Grayson Rodriguez was not going to be a free agent for four more seasons. And they get back in Shane Bos, a guy who was not going to be a free agent for three years. So, they have him under team control for three seasons. And you mentioned, Kyle, the expected stats. Statcast had his expected ERA at 385 despite the fact that it was 487 in 31 starts this past year. And he does still throw hard. throws 97 miles an hour with his fast ball. He’s got a great knuckle curve, which has a lot of underlying things about it that make it good. But he is he did rank below average among pitchers in baseball according to Stackcast in walk percentage and in strikeout percentage. So the Orioles are betting on the upside, but he’s got to be pitching a lot closer to the upside, a lot closer to his ceiling in 2026 and over the next three years than he did in 2025 for this trade to be worth it. Yeah. And and you know, I mean, that’s kind of why I’m saying I appreciate that this front office is acting with conviction. I don’t think this is a trade they make this time last year because you know, the Orioles are sort of they’re so calculating. They’re so um you know uh expectation focused. they would look at, okay, well, Michael Forett and and Slater De Brun like they’re going to be worth X number of wins over the life of their deals and um you know Shane in three years like he will account for X number of wins over the life of you know the next three years and I just don’t think they’d be willing to ever give up a deal before where they feel like okay well these guys will eventually help us more than this guy will help us over the course of his But I think they are looking in that shorter window. I mean, I think one they have to because um the fans and and the owners were so riled up by what happened this past year and um where everything just cratered. But I I just appreciate that they can look at the difference of like Shane Bos can help us now. Michael Forett um you know and hopefully John will come on talking about what some of these guys can provide. Um but you know he’s not ready to help. He’s not close to ready to help. Slater to Brun. I mean, a high school kid like good luck on your music career, but you you wouldn’t be up for another, you know, four or five years. So, >> little sleigh. >> Little sleigh. RIP Little Slay. But, you know, it’s just guys can’t help you now and you are contending now. And I appreciate that the Orioles have some urgency on this this front for the first time since we’ve seen Michaelas take over. >> Yeah. Let’s talk about the return for Shane Bos. and it does involve four prospects that are not close to the big leagues. So, let’s start with Slater DeB to Brun, just 18 years old. He was the 37th overall pick in this past July’s draft. Again, if if pitching or if playing in the outfield, I should say, does not work out for Slater to he can perhaps fall back on his music career. I think he released a new single this past offseason as well. His his big hit was Find Me a Bar despite the fact that he’s not even of legal age. So, I will be sad to see somebody with such musical talent go out the door. He is still very talented. He signed an overslot deal with the Orioles after being taken with that 37th overall pick, but he did not appear in a minor league game in 2025 after being drafted. Michael Farrett, John Mioli had ranked in the Baseball America Orioles top 30 prospect list as the Orioles number nine prospect, 14th round pick in 2023 out of State College of Florida, Manatee Sarasota. incredible stats that he put up in 2025. 207 RA, a whip under 830, over 11 strikeouts per nine in 74 innings between high Aberdine and Double A Chesapeake. 21 years old, he is a ways away from the big leagues, but he has a ton of talent. Kaden Boddine, you might remember, the Orioles took with the 30th overall pick, seven picks before Slater to Brun, just 22 years old. He was the second catcher that they took in the draft. They started this 2025 draft with back-to-back catchers. Ike Irish, Kaden Boddine. Ike Irish is really more the hitter. Might have to move to first base at some point in his career. Kaden Boddine is a catcher. He is a defensive first, glove first catcher, but also hit very well uh in his introduction to Pro Bowl, 326 average, didn’t have a homer, but a 757 OPS in 11 games. So, single Delm Marva though did end the season on the injured list. And then Austin Overin finally 22 years old, third round pick in 2024, hit .249 with 13 homers and a 754 OPS. He is a speed demon. 64 stolen bases in 2025 between Aberdine and Chesapeake. So he may not hit a ton of homers, but he is going to bring a lot of speed on the base pass. So the the Orioles gave up four very talented prospects. Oh, and a draft pick as well. And by the way, the c the pick that they used the 37th overall pick in order to select Slater Debrun, they got from Tampa Bay three weeks before the draft in exchange for Brian Baker. So they end up going back to the team that they got that draft pick back that they got that draft pick from. It’s all makes your head spin. But the Euros gave up four players all 22 years of age and younger and a draft pick. That shows you just how much they are in on on Shane Bos and it shows you just how much they are in on 2026. >> Yeah. Um first of all, I just want to mention that I I’m imagining Brad Pitt negotiating on the other end of Michael’s throwing my I want my draft pick back or [laughter] you know Kevin Cosner, you know. Um >> yeah, Kevin Cosner’s draft day. Come on. That’s >> Kevin Cosner’s draft day. Want my picks back. Um anyway, sorry. >> Some mfing pancakes. [laughter] But I mean I wrote at the trade deadline that you know last year Michaelas largely kind of restocked even traded away some guys that you know they could have brought back next year. Um and I was kind of put out. I was kind of like okay well Michaelas knows how to restock his his you know prospects. Michaelas like this is demonstrated like we like I don’t doubt his judgment on these prospects. I don’t I don’t doubt that the Orioles are going to draft well. I mean history’s shown that. What they haven’t shown is once we get these picks, once we accumulate this talent, we can make that into a big leager. We can make that into a win now big leager. And I I at the risk of overstating the importance of Shane Bos um who I think is a good picture with good upside. Um you know this is what this is. This is Michael Elias demonstrating for the first time. Okay, these prospects that I’ve been I’ve spent my whole tenure hoarding. I can make this into a big league pitcher that will help us in 2026. And honestly, I was just waiting for him to demonstrate that. I mean, the Orioles have done some sort of reasonable trades before. Um, little more oneto ones. Um, you know, obviously Corbin Burns, um, that that was a big trade, um, with Joey Ortiz, but they just, this is just really the first time I can think of where it’s like, okay, we are taking from our stock, our precious, you know, little babies, and we’re going to give it to to to get a guy who can help us in in this season now. And and to me that is a major development for this front office. >> Yeah, it’s a trade that doesn’t feel like one that we’ve seen too often from this front office because well, first off, we’ve only had what three years now of the Orioles being competitive and trying to trade prospects in order for to get back major league players. And one of those trade deadlines, >> they they just haven’t done it. Like they they’ve never ever done it. Which is why I was skeptical at the trade deadline that like Mike is telling us, yeah, we, you know, we have to like, you know, build the war chest like, you know, okay, but like you’ve never done that, right? >> You’ve literally never ever done that. You’ve never dipped into your top 10 and been like, okay, here’s our top 10. Here’s a guy who’s going to help us three years from now and make it into a guy who’s going to help us tomorrow. Right. This is the I’m not so excited about Shane Bos as I am like, oh, they actually did the thing. They actually are will are showing they’re willing to do it. So, they they followed the first step of, okay, here’s the prospects. We get the prospects. We hoard the prospects. We we’ve replenished our pipeline. And now that second step that we never ever knew they would if they would do it, here they are doing it. >> Right. And you mentioned uh the couple trades that the Orioles have made in the past. Corbin Burns is obviously one that comes to mind immediately and the Orioles gave up a draft pick in that instance. So they’re giving up an asset that will pay down the road. But then they’re giving up two guys who are major league ready talent. Two guys that had already made their major league debut in DL Hall and Joey Ortiz. They could have maybe fit DL Hall into their bullpen that 2024 season, but they clearly had no room for Joey Ortiz. So, those were two guys that really, you know, were on the outside of the Orioles roster bubble that were right next to the big league roster. Then you have the Trevor Rogers deal where the Orioles also gave up major league ready talent. Two guys that had also made their major league debuts in Conor Norby and Kyle Sters. That trade looked bad in the short term and it looked phenomenal for the last four months of 2025 because Trevor Rogers won most valuable oral. But in both of those deals, they gave up players that were very close to contributing in the big leagues in the near term. This is a case that feels kind of like the deal that the Orioles some of the prospects that they got back when they traded Ryan O’Harn and Raone Lauraniano to the Padres’s. The Padres’s dealt from a lot of their recent drafties and that’s what the Orioles are doing here. Slater de Brun recent drafty. Kaden Boddine recent drafty. Ferret was a 2023 drafty. Austin over in 2024. So they’re they’re taking basically lottery chips. And when guys are very very far away from the big leagues, they there was more of a risk that they don’t turn out. There’s also more of a risk that they have a higher ceiling than some of the guys that are closer to the big leagues. think there’s a chance that one of these guys pops and becomes an all-star, whereas I don’t know if I necessarily felt that way about the two players that they gave up for Corbin Burns and Joey Ortiz and DL Hall. But there is more risk. I mean, there’s a chance that that none of these guys make the big leagues. It’s it’s not likely, but there is a good chance. So, all that to say, this is an instance of the Orioles dealing from some of their lower level prospect depth. not lower level in terms of ranking, but lower level in terms of age and in terms of minor league level in order to get a player who is going to help them now and over the next three years. And that’s just kind of unlike anything that we’ve seen from them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Which is sort of interesting. I mean, two points. One, in that trade deadline column, I said, you know, I made the direct comparison when you talk about the Padres’s change trade. It’s like, have we ever thought Mike Elias will start big game hunting like AJ Prowler [laughter] like before today? No. And like I mean it still isn’t big game, but at least you show the intent, you show the aggression, you show like, hey, like the f them kids energy of it, right? Um, which I I appreciate. and and I mean this is a guy who is as as we mentioned earlier Shane Bos 26 he’s going to turn 27 in June >> still three years of team control he’s not a you know old but he is you know entering theoretically his prime then the other point is though these guys we’re talking about de Brunine gosh I want that to be bodane but it’s bodine apparently you know who’s to say that Mike Elias will see any of them mature. If the Orioles crash out in 2026 because Mike Elias made the same mistake of being too conservative, I would see him his job being on the line. I would see him not making it out of this season if the Orioles failed for the same reason they failed in 2025. Everybody knew in 2025 you got to go for an elite starting pitcher. they never did it. Um they didn’t have enough pitching depth. Um and and the guys they signed were just not that spectacular. And you know, at least like if the Orioles fail in 2026, at least the Orioles tried to do it a different way. They went for a diametrically opposite strategy. And I honestly give them credit for that because the old way was not working in terms of making the most of this competitive window. Yeah, and and they still kept some of their powder dry. I mean, if they still want to deal Dylan Beavers, who is still considered a prospect and made his debut in 2025, they can do so. I still think Kobe Mayo is very likely to be dealt at some point. Um, you know, they still have Enrique Bradfield Jr. if they want to trade. And then if they want to go further down the list and they want to start to deal from some of the guys they just got at the deadline, they could deal a Boston Baitman or a Geron Watts Brown. So, there are guys that they can still deal. It’s just interesting that that Shane Bos is the guy that they get here because he is not the ace. And I see a lot of comments of of people in our YouTube uh talking about how Shane Bos is has really only had one good year and it was half a season in 2024. I think as as mentioned, his numbers in 2025 probably make his season look worse than it was. I think he pitched much better than that and kind of got a little bit on the bad end of luck. But still, if you wanted the Orioles to go out and get an ace this winter, and you probably should want the Orioles to do that, this is not that. Shane Bos is going to fit in to your rotation nicely, but he is not going to start on opening day in all likelihood. He might pitch very well over the next three years, but he is not Fran Bervaldez. He is not Ranger Suarez. He is not Freddy Peralta, who you could trade for. The Orioles still have to make another addition to this pitching staff because they quite frankly just don’t have enough arms and they don’t have a number one right now. >> Yeah. But you know what you I mean what I like about this this approach that the Orioles have had is like you know they on on the batting side you see they trade for a guy you know and and I don’t want to litigate the Grayson Taylor Ward trade right now but they wanted Taylor Ward they trade for him they need another bat they signed Pete Alonzo for big money for this franchise right they like it’s two-pronged like you have more than one tool at your disposal and finally the Orioles are looking at their whole chest. I mean under the Angelus regime it was okay well we can’t spend so we have to develop we have to develop we have to develop and when you’re ingrained in the idea that you can never spend then you never you know I think that’s part of Mike’s DNA it’s like you’re not giving up your most precious resource which is draft picks and young guys so I think that was sort of the approach honed by being an economically wanting franchise is now David Rubenstein wants to make sure, hey, I’m at the front row of every time our team spends money. He was at the Bio press conference. He was he was at Albernaz’s press conference. He was at Peter Alonzo’s press conference. And that frees up your chips. I mean, it doesn’t you don’t need to trade for a pitcher if you know you can get in for the money on Ranger Suarez. And uh like of course that’s the one incomplete part of the offseason I think spending on pitching but the Orioles have already done it on the hitting side and that just gives me a ton of encouragement that hey maybe we’ll have the same thing. Maybe you’ll have a trade for a starter and then you’ll you’ll pay for a starter. You’ll pay you know big money that this franchise has been historically unwilling to spend. >> Yeah. It’s also about sequencing. And I’ve mentioned this before when I’ve had John on, is sometimes fans get too caught up in one individual move because the way that an MLB offseason unfolds, it’s not like an NBA offseason or an NFL offseason where everything kind of happens at once. You know, free agency starts and all the guys sign within 48 hours. >> It is weird. I have to say as a as a former NBA guy, it is very weird. It was just like, oh, like here we go. like it started like it’s so it feels so unceremonious and then it just starts and then it just drags as well. Like it’s just there’s no like it it doesn’t feel like there’s a starting gun but it does start and you’re like oh >> it started and then but then it just takes months and months and months. I mean you know >> it’s like >> it happens in drips and drabs. Yeah. And it’s like if if the Orioles let’s say the Orioles the first thing they did this off season was sign Pete Alonzo >> and then everything else hap happened after that. I think Orioles fans would be watching, see every other move through rosecolored glasses. You know, the Grayson Rodriguez trade, now the Shane Bos trade, like they they would have such a good taste in their mouth because the first thing that they saw was terrific. And I think in some instance in in this instance, I think Orioles fans are still kind of coming off the high of the Petalonzo signing. But if the Orioles go out and still sign one of the guys that is still available like Fran Vervaldz or Ranger Suarez or somebody else or they trade for Freddy Peralta um or McKenzie Gore or Edward Cabrera like there are you know that that would be terrific. This is the first move and I don’t think this will be the last move. And just because this happened before what could be another big acquisition doesn’t mean it should be viewed in any other way because the Orioles still they wanted to go out and get some kind of depth for the rotation and then they wanted to get a number one and I think that number one hole is still there. You know Kyle Bradish is is a very good starter. Trevor Rogers was terrific last year. They have Dean Kramer at the back end. They have now about four pitchers. Maybe you could throw Tyler Well, Tyler Wells in that mix. Maybe you could throw Kade Povich in that mix, but they need one more guy to add to this rotation and it should be a number one or number two. >> A good a good guy. A good guy. And I I like both of those names were thrown around. And I like the idea that we’re throwing around the idea that the Orioles could spend because now that they’ve >> now they’ve proven they could spend like and and that was kind of was waiting on. It’s just, you know, I I had people weirdly lecturing me at the deadline. You don’t see what Mike is doing. It’s like, “No, I see what he’s doing.” Like just, you know, just like social media people like, “I see what he’s doing. He’s just never done it.” And you have to admit that he’s never done it, >> right? >> Like, and and the fact that we are talking about a different environment where like it’s going to be just a different environment if David Rubenstein and this ownership group were like, “All right, will someone please take my money?” Like that’s that’s the whole thing. And it’s just a different level of thinking. I mean, and listen, I don’t know. Like, I don’t know how Pete Alonzo is going to work out. I don’t know if he’s going to be worth the money, but like it just shows a different grade of thinking where like last year it’s like, all right, well, we got we got the best guy in Japan who’s 35 years old. We got Charlie Morton who’s 10 million years old. Like, all due respect to Charlie Morton, great guy. Thinking small, thinking tiny, thinking marginally, thinking, oh, well, if we just like tidy up around the house, like, no, we need new furniture. Like we need we need to build move into a mansion. Like that’s what we got to do. >> Just appreciate the scale of the thing. >> Yeah. If you’re if you’re a listener to this podcast, you know about the the fact that the Orioles need a new couch. That’s our that’s our thing is Pete Alonzo is the the new couch that the Orioles needed. I I’ve made the comparison to wallpaper versus paint. They’ve viewed free agency as wallpaper. Wallpaper comes down quickly. It it doesn’t last very long. It peels. paint stays. You can use free agency as paint to paint your house and make it look very nice. They have a good foundation. They have a good steady house that they’ve built through the draft and through an international free agency, but they need thick coats of paint to make this thing look good. And I think if you’re an Orioles fan, another sign of optimism is you could say, “All right, coming into this off season, sure, the Orioles could have used a bat, but that’s not what everybody was talking about. Everybody was talking coming into this offseason of the Orioles need pitching and they need a good starting pitcher. And the fact that they spent $155 million on their second biggest need on a bat, then how much would they be willing to spend on their biggest need on an ace? Like, and this by the same token, I said, if the Ori were willing to spend 150 million on Kyle Schwarber and they didn’t even need a DH, how much would they be willing to spend on a first baseman? And they went even higher. They went 155 for Pete Alonzo. So, I still do think there’s a chance that the Orioles bring out the checkbook and try to sign one of these big starting pitchers. There aren’t a whole lot of them out there. And really, it’s to me it’s it’s Ron Valdez that is is left on this list, but I still think there’s a very good chance that the Orioles come away from this off seasonason. It’s it’s still we’re still six days away from Christmas. >> Yeah. >> A lot of these guys are still out there. >> Yeah. And and I mean I think the Orioles for a long time thought of sort of like paint and wallpaper. It’s like okay well if we if we get the wrong guy then you know if we we overpay for so and so we’ll be paying you know the the ghost of Chris Davis if you will. The ghost of like this contract is an albatross and it it limits what we do. And you know, if you just worry about the mistake you’re going to make, like then you’re not going to take big risks. Like you should be worried about making the mistake of I mean Mike’s line in 2023 was I’m in charge of managing you know 3 to five year window that of you know competing for World Series. It’s like you should be afraid of missing that window. >> That should be guiding what you do. So, like not only do I, you know, you you say feel good about the idea that, you know, the Orioles will sign a starting pitcher of some quality. Let’s just say of some quality. I don’t know if it will be an ace or what, but they are now viewing it as an imperative. They are now looking at it at the market as like, damn, we got to spend money or else we’re going to miss the boat. And that’s how winners think, you know, it’s like, and listen, I get that the Dodgers are in a different league, but the Dodgers, you know, they they go to the World Series, they win the World Series, and then last year they they snapped up Blake Snell. It’s like, you know what winners do? Grab more freaking talent. It’s like I mean, the the Blue Jays went to the World Series and signed Dylan and get Dylan CE. >> Exactly. And they might make a Kyle Tucker. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um saw some comments on YouTube. Uh saw some one from Quie Harper says the Orioles still have a good farm system after the trade. The Orioles definitely improve their farm system at the trade deadline and getting all those guys back. And this trade certainly does damage to it, trading away four prospects, but as mentioned, the Orioles still have most of their top 10 intact. I think Michael Farrett was the only member of Baseball America’s top 10 Orioles prospects that has dealt in this move. >> That’s the only top 10 we here at the podcast recognize. the the John Muoli authored Baseball America Top 10. Shout out to to Baseball America. Shout out to John Muoli. >> I do I the the one thing about MLB Pipeline is they do upate update theirs immediately. And I do have to mention just that the MLB pipeline ranking of the Rays top 30 already slotted. Michael Ferrett in is the Rays number five prospect. Slater de Brun is the raise number six prospect. Kaden Boddine as the Rays number 11 prospect and Austin Over as the Rays number 20 prospect. So four members of the Rays top 30 prospect list, top 20 prospect list they can thank the Baltimore Orioles for, which is just crazy to say. But again, all four of those guys are pretty far away from the big leagues. And then one other comment I did see uh mentioning, let me see if I can find your name. I’ll scroll through here, but this commenter mentioned the Zack Efflin trade, and I think that’s fair. You know, we kind of glossed over that when we were talking about the Corbin Burns trade and the Trevor Rogers trade, but for sure the Zack Efflin trade, which was made at the deadline in 2024, that was an instance where Michael did deal some of his lower level prospects, some of his recently drafted prospects. Jackson Bowmeister, Matthew Zel, Matt Horvath were all dealt to Tampa Bay. So, it’s just insane. >> Sorry, Mac. Sorry to forget you, buddy. But that is just a also a crazy amount of uh prospects that have been exchanged between these two teams in in uh recent years. But yeah, that that was a team that was a deal where the Orioles dealt away a lot of recent drafted players as opposed to, you know, some of the guys that were closer to the big leagues like the Corbin Burns and Trevor Rogers. Can we also make another point and I think John’s going to get to this at some point, but you know, the Orioles and the the Rays historically since the Elias, you know, management are are franchises that operate in very similar ways. >> Yeah. And like you’re giving them resources to compete down the road, >> but you’re also kind of building a little stratification of like, hey, we’re we’re taking your guys that are ready to compete now and we’re going to try to compete with them. and and and to me it’s a little bit of a fork in the road of like >> all right well we are like we are graduating from the tightfisted management like we’re only going to do you know deals where we clearly win or we feel like you know we’re not going to pay above market rates blah blah blah to you know what we got a little house money like let’s let’s play let’s let’s let’s actually try to win um and and use some of those resources. So, I I think that’s an interesting It could be sort of a sliding doors moment. I mean, it could be like, okay, Lil Slay becomes an all-star in in 10 years or whatever. I don’t know. But it’s it’s an interesting sliding doors moment for these franchises and how they approach things. >> Yeah. None of these guys is above double A at this point. So the the fact of the matter is none of these guys was going to help you in 2026. And honestly, probably none of these guys was going to be an impact player in 2027. You’re really talking about 2028 and 2029. Shane Bos has the potential to help you in 2026, 7, and 8 given the the years that he’s under contract for. And that’s the timeline that the Orioles have to operate under given the fact that they have this core under team control right now. All right, Kyle Goon is his handle. I’m Paul Manano andallbanner sports. We have so much more coverage on the banner.com or you can subscribe $14 for six months. John Mioli is currently preparing to go carolling, I believe, with uh his family later on tonight. So perhaps he’s warming up his voice. Needed some vocal rest. Uh but no, he he is he’s a very busy man. We’re lucky when we get him and we’re lucky when we get Kyle as well who has so much more for you on the banner.com. Thanks so much for tuning in. Write, rate, review, like, rate, review, subscribe, all that good stuff. >> Are are you saying are you saying we’re having uh we we’re missing John me? >> That’s this is exactly why I try I try to keep >> Happy holidays everyone. >> Happy Kyle’s puns to an absolute minimum. Thanks so much for tuning in. John and I plan to be back

A week after introducing free agent signee Pete Alonso to Baltimore, the Orioles made an addition to the pitching staff, acquiring talented starter Shane Baz from the Rays. But did the O’s give up too much to get him?
“Banner Baseball Show” co-host Paul Mancano is joined by columnist Kyle Goon to discuss the trade.
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