I feel like we should at least give a little bit of credit too our rookie lbs for not being complete total busts

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  1. For all the hate Golden got at the beginning of the year, we’ve seen a ton of progress from the young guys on the defense.

  5. Feels like when Burrow went down they said eff it. Season is lost and just threw out Logan and went young. Learn by fire which really cost us in the middle of the season.

    To be fair even if we won the jets ,bears, Ravens and Bills games we wouldn’t be looking good for the playoffs now. I haven’t checked the tie breakers with Pittsburgh in that scenario.

  6. Check any advanced stat metric and see that these guys still have a lot to prove. Neither one played at a quality starting position level this year

  11. We put two kids, one of whom was not even drafted before the 4th round, straight into the fire.

    Got burned a lot, but they’ve come along pretty good.

  12. This doesn’t tell us anywhere close to an entire story.

    Are DKJ and BC being targeted a ton because they’re bad in coverage, so they have to tackle a lot? Are they making these tackles at the line of scrimmage (good) or 5-10 yards downfield (bad)? How long are these guys on the field in a game? How many missed tackles do they have?

    It’s like the inverse of saying a DB is bad because they don’t have many PBUs or tackles, but because opposing QBs barely target them.

    DKJ has shown heart and motor, I think he’s got a chance. Carter I have less hope for.

  14. Means virtually nothing, both are 2 of the worst graded LBs in the league and at the top of the league in missed tackle rate. This is 100% a playtime stat. Only rookie LB duo starting in the league.

  15. The tackle stat by itself means practically nothing. When defenses are bad, the LBs tend to get a lot more tackles because the defensive line isn’t doing its job properly. This year alone, 3 of the top 5 tackle leaders all play on terrible defenses. Those 3 are Jordyn Brooks, Devin White, and Bobby Wagner. Plus in the top 10, there’s another 3 or 4 guys who play on bad defenses

    Hopefully Knight and Carter can become good but I not gonna give them credit for getting a lot of tackles while playing for a bad defense. Not to mention, other parts of their game like their coverage ability have been terrible

  17. I think DKJ has shown flashes and will be good in the future, but Carter consistently gets abused out there and is a total liability

  18. They aren’t complete busts, but isolated stats like this are nice for instagram but not judging competence

  19. Number of tackles is not a good indicator.

    We only got 2 LBs on the field and LBs usually have the most tackles.

  21. The fact that we used a second round pick on one and a fifth on the other and they have the exact same production should tell you everything you need to know.

    Knight was a REACH.

  24. All this demonstrates is playing time, not quality.

    They racked up all these tackles because they were on the field a lot when they shouldn’t have been

  25. LB is a complicated position, they’re playing 2 rookies and no vets at the position. I’m not writing them off for sucking at this point. They’re asked to do a lot, on the worst defense, with 1 less LB.

    Year 2, the expectation is the game slows down, they’ve had time to simmer all they’ve learned, and hopefully, our front 4 will actually give our corners and our LBs some help so they’re not asked to play superman every snap.

    The only thing that is frustrating is that our entire defense seems to be filled with slow learners who take 2 or 3 years, or busts, in the peak of our offenses and Burrows prime. And we are approaching the last 3-4 years of peak Burrow/Chase/Higgins/Gesicki/Iosivas. This is the mountain top for the offense, so we better figure it out this offseaaon.

  26. Based on PFF grades, which take into account things like coverage assignments and missed tackles, they are the two lowest rated linebackers in the league, rookies or otherwise.

    Still wish we picked Tate Ratlidge instead of Knight.

  27. Tackle numbers don’t tell the whole story. I’ve seen a lot of broken plays bc one of our players couldn’t be bothered to wrap up or took a bad angle. And a lot of those bad plays were from BC and DKJ.

  29. This is just straight up volume. We have the rookies starting because everyone else is THAT bad AND they have lots of opportunities from the defensive line letting opponents get back there.

  30. I don’t get the hate these two get. They’ve flashed a lot. This fucking organization thought it’d be smart to start two rookie LBs, or put themselves in the situation where they had no choice. That’s a long term investment but brutal in the short term.

  31. This is just a function of being on the field all the time. Not at all a way to grade their play. They’ve been the worst players in the league at their positions and next years success partly rests on replacing many of their snaps.

  33. They have lots of tackles because our line is getting dominated. You can get a lot of tackles when the defense allows 7 yards rushing per play.

  36. My man they’re the worst starting LBs in the NFL, they have a lot of volume because we’re the only team dumb enough to start 2 rookie LBs. Like cool they have 83 tackles, half of them are made after they give up a 25 yard catch to a TE four times a game. That is, if they even make the tackle at all. They’d have 120 tackles like Schwesinger if they could actually tackle. This is a statistic that desperately needs context.

  38. Barret Carter is terrible. That’s just the plain fact. When we play zone, his area is just open turf because he overcommits to getting to the TE or receiver to stop an early ball and then gets beat over the top every time. Hes one of the main reasons TEs feast on us every week.

    I think Knight can be developed into something good. He makes good tackles when he doesn’t miss them, and he has a great football mind, he often reads plays and it’s easily seen in his play. Problem is he needs to learn angles, lots of his missed tackles are from him taking bad angles and then having to try and tackle in awkward positions.

  39. Tackles are a nothing stat. And you used “Too” in the title when you should’ve used “To”

  41. They play more then the other rookies. Only reason they’re high on this list. Our rookie LBs have cost us many games this year

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