Interesting how 22-23 was the best but still in the bottom half, eh refs?
We also have the most suspensions in that period i think too lmao
Yet hockey fans love saying there’s a Toronto bias because it’s the biggest fan base. 🤔
It’s a joke.
Interesting. I would also like to see which teams have been suspended the most and draw the most suspensions.
Who received the most power plays in that period
Kevin Papetti knows nothing about science/statistics or he’s just rage baiting.
Now do it for times shorthanded, bet the leafs are in the top 10 for that metric.
Wow they were as high as 18th? That’s crazy.
This is also with having one of the best and highest scoring teams in the league during this period.
My favourite though is when there is a scrum in front of the net, Leafs always manage to pick up the extra penalty
This has to be brought up at the nhl president’s/owners meetings. It is almost farcical how blatant the numbers are.
The first year we played the Panthers in the second round, they were the most penalized team in the league in the regular season.
Then the most penalized team in Round 1.
Then historically clean in Round 2 (including a full game with 0 penalties).
Then the most penalized team in Round 3, and the most penalized team in the SCF.
Reffing is awful in this league. Playoff reffing is another level of bullshit.
Clearly they are too busy being goons and grinders, thus taking penalties instead of being awarded then
Seriously this should be a bigger story what the actual fuck that can’t be a coincidence, I bet if we even in the top half of the league in any of those years we would get a considerable bump in the standings.
People always say its the style of play not lending itself to drawing penalties. Maybe that was true at some point, but these stats span 3 coaches and vastly different styles of play. Our roster went from small and fast to bigger and heavier. We can’t get a whistle no matter who we ice, who our coach is, or where we are in the standings. The NHL is just terrified of ever throwing the Leafs a bone because the rest of the league, especially other Canadian teams, will throw a fit.
All other teams are simply more disciplined, that’s all. Especially when they play against us. And especially the Florida panthers, of course… The cleanest team in the league 🫶🏻
This means nothing. By virtue of there being an order and teams, someone will ALWAYS be 32.
It’s kinda like the Stanley Cup. All 16 teams could be absolute trash, but you will still have a champion. Regardless of the quality of play.
So, I think it’s more about the difference between the top and bottom.
Where do they rank in terms of generating revenue from the league and (although I imagine these stats are hard to find) online betting outlets? I think you’ll soon find out why no-one will ever look into this.
what about times shorthanded? Those two are often linked
For a skilled team, you would think they would be higher. Watch them play. As soon as they are checked, they stop skating and accept that they’ve been stopped. If they kept their feet moving and forced the opposition to continue checking them after the puck is gone, they would draw way more penalties. It is hard work, though.
And don’t forget those teams over that span have had three different coaches and played different systems with each of them. So you can’t even argue that “it’s a result of [insert coach]’s system”.
Florida:
25-26 – 1st
24-25 – 4th
23-24 – 6th
22-23 – 5th
21-22 – 2nd
20-21 – 2nd
I will say, some teams respect another power play so much that they make it apart of their game plan to play it safe. Edmonton seems like they’re fairly low on the list usually… but Colorado has had a pretty good PP and seems to be near the top each year as well.
Holy crap, they went as high as 18th!? Nuts lol
It’ll never change unfortunately
So… basically, we never get powerplays compared to everyone else?
We’ve always been a strong 5 on 5 team. Leafs generally play far too safe on power plays and nobody wants to take the shot. I’ve been screaming “shoot!!!” Since I was in diapers.
ITT: Die hard fans that don’t understand how much style of play (attacking the middle of the ice, forcing your opponents to defend aggressively, winning puck battles near the boards, crashing the net, forecheck pressure, aggressive zone entries with speed, etc) and player tendencies contribute to drawing penalties.
The narrative in this sub has simultaneously been how “soft” the Leafs are in many regards over that same time span. Soft teams don’t typically have aggressive styles that provoke physicality and drawing penalties. You can’t have it both ways people.
Of course they’ve also been pretty disciplined over the years, and Berube’s philosophy (contrary to his playing days) put even more emphasis on that.
They had an aggressive player who was elite at drawing penalties, Nazim Kadri, and he was traded, much to fan satisfaction (at least on this sub).
Those numbers are nuts. And it’s obvious proof of a Toronto bias.
You sometimes hear that the reason the Leafs don’t draw a lot of penalties is because they aren’t a fast team. But that’s obviously nonsense since these numbers trace back to the early Matthews, Marner and Nylander years when the team was younger and they were obviously faster as a whole.
I’m so tired of Bettman’s NHL. Isn’t it time for him to go after over 30 years anyway?
It’s amazing that every other sport in the world is not afraid to officiate the game fairly for big teams and stars. But in the NHL, the Toronto maple leafs are for some reason punished because refs and the league are afraid of looking like they are rigging the game for the team that hasn’t won since 1967.
Wait was it Marc Savard or is it an international conspiracy
Now compare it against rank in offensive zone time (where the majority of teams commit infractions – eg while trying to defend). Interesting that the teams with the highest rank in offensive zone time tend towards a higher rank in PP opportunities, but for the Leafs it simply doesn’t factor.
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Interesting how 22-23 was the best but still in the bottom half, eh refs?
We also have the most suspensions in that period i think too lmao
Yet hockey fans love saying there’s a Toronto bias because it’s the biggest fan base. 🤔
It’s a joke.
Interesting. I would also like to see which teams have been suspended the most and draw the most suspensions.
Who received the most power plays in that period
Kevin Papetti knows nothing about science/statistics or he’s just rage baiting.
Now do it for times shorthanded, bet the leafs are in the top 10 for that metric.
Wow they were as high as 18th? That’s crazy.
This is also with having one of the best and highest scoring teams in the league during this period.
My favourite though is when there is a scrum in front of the net, Leafs always manage to pick up the extra penalty
This has to be brought up at the nhl president’s/owners meetings. It is almost farcical how blatant the numbers are.
The first year we played the Panthers in the second round, they were the most penalized team in the league in the regular season.
Then the most penalized team in Round 1.
Then historically clean in Round 2 (including a full game with 0 penalties).
Then the most penalized team in Round 3, and the most penalized team in the SCF.
Reffing is awful in this league. Playoff reffing is another level of bullshit.
Clearly they are too busy being goons and grinders, thus taking penalties instead of being awarded then
Seriously this should be a bigger story what the actual fuck that can’t be a coincidence, I bet if we even in the top half of the league in any of those years we would get a considerable bump in the standings.
People always say its the style of play not lending itself to drawing penalties. Maybe that was true at some point, but these stats span 3 coaches and vastly different styles of play. Our roster went from small and fast to bigger and heavier. We can’t get a whistle no matter who we ice, who our coach is, or where we are in the standings. The NHL is just terrified of ever throwing the Leafs a bone because the rest of the league, especially other Canadian teams, will throw a fit.
All other teams are simply more disciplined, that’s all. Especially when they play against us. And especially the Florida panthers, of course… The cleanest team in the league 🫶🏻
This means nothing. By virtue of there being an order and teams, someone will ALWAYS be 32.
It’s kinda like the Stanley Cup. All 16 teams could be absolute trash, but you will still have a champion. Regardless of the quality of play.
So, I think it’s more about the difference between the top and bottom.
Where do they rank in terms of generating revenue from the league and (although I imagine these stats are hard to find) online betting outlets? I think you’ll soon find out why no-one will ever look into this.
what about times shorthanded? Those two are often linked
For a skilled team, you would think they would be higher. Watch them play. As soon as they are checked, they stop skating and accept that they’ve been stopped. If they kept their feet moving and forced the opposition to continue checking them after the puck is gone, they would draw way more penalties. It is hard work, though.
And don’t forget those teams over that span have had three different coaches and played different systems with each of them. So you can’t even argue that “it’s a result of [insert coach]’s system”.
Florida:
25-26 – 1st
24-25 – 4th
23-24 – 6th
22-23 – 5th
21-22 – 2nd
20-21 – 2nd
I will say, some teams respect another power play so much that they make it apart of their game plan to play it safe. Edmonton seems like they’re fairly low on the list usually… but Colorado has had a pretty good PP and seems to be near the top each year as well.
Holy crap, they went as high as 18th!? Nuts lol
It’ll never change unfortunately
So… basically, we never get powerplays compared to everyone else?
We’ve always been a strong 5 on 5 team. Leafs generally play far too safe on power plays and nobody wants to take the shot. I’ve been screaming “shoot!!!” Since I was in diapers.
ITT: Die hard fans that don’t understand how much style of play (attacking the middle of the ice, forcing your opponents to defend aggressively, winning puck battles near the boards, crashing the net, forecheck pressure, aggressive zone entries with speed, etc) and player tendencies contribute to drawing penalties.
The narrative in this sub has simultaneously been how “soft” the Leafs are in many regards over that same time span. Soft teams don’t typically have aggressive styles that provoke physicality and drawing penalties. You can’t have it both ways people.
Of course they’ve also been pretty disciplined over the years, and Berube’s philosophy (contrary to his playing days) put even more emphasis on that.
They had an aggressive player who was elite at drawing penalties, Nazim Kadri, and he was traded, much to fan satisfaction (at least on this sub).
Those numbers are nuts. And it’s obvious proof of a Toronto bias.
You sometimes hear that the reason the Leafs don’t draw a lot of penalties is because they aren’t a fast team. But that’s obviously nonsense since these numbers trace back to the early Matthews, Marner and Nylander years when the team was younger and they were obviously faster as a whole.
I’m so tired of Bettman’s NHL. Isn’t it time for him to go after over 30 years anyway?
It’s amazing that every other sport in the world is not afraid to officiate the game fairly for big teams and stars. But in the NHL, the Toronto maple leafs are for some reason punished because refs and the league are afraid of looking like they are rigging the game for the team that hasn’t won since 1967.
Wait was it Marc Savard or is it an international conspiracy
Now compare it against rank in offensive zone time (where the majority of teams commit infractions – eg while trying to defend). Interesting that the teams with the highest rank in offensive zone time tend towards a higher rank in PP opportunities, but for the Leafs it simply doesn’t factor.