Ken Daniels joins: Red Wings success, Tanev trade, Buyers/Sellers, Mailbag: Predators at deadline
Sean we have a trade to well it’s already been announced Chris tanv to the Dallas Stars it happened Wednesday night we’re recording this Thursday hello and your thoughts well first of all this is a really special podcast it’s the Dan Rosen birthday podcast normally yeah today
Would be my birthday 46 but we have freaking Leap Years thank you very much cuz this is the we’ll call it the birthday week how about that that’s a big thing for my wife is birthday week but it
Only works on her side not on my side it’s just birthday day for me but yeah no we have a trade and if if last year is any indication now the Dam’s going to open right there were well I think
36 trades in the 6 days before the trade deadline kept us really busy and and I think the Market’s been set a little bit now yeah I think you’re right on the def the D Market except for a guy
Like Noah hannen I think he’s a bit of a unicorn in this market because he’s 27 years old he he’s a guy that anybody who gets is going to want to sign to a long-term deal like Chris tanv Dallas
This is a rental and what a deal I think for the Dallas Stars and Jim nil to pull this off their general manager first off they involved the New Jersey Devil so tanv goes from Calgary to Dallas
By way of the New Jersey Devils for about a hot second on a paper transaction but what that did First Calgary retained 50% then the Devils got a fourth round pick from Dallas to retain another 50% so the Dallas Stars are getting Chris tanv for a quarter of the price of what it
Would cost and they did not have to give up their first round pick to do it they did have to give up their second round pick they had to give up a conditional third round pick in the 2026 draft but
That only goes to Calgary if they make the Stanley Cup Final if Dallas makes the Stanley Cup Final so I mean you’ll give that up pick three years down the road third round pick and they gave up
A prospect you know a defense Prospect ardam grou nikov and he’s a big towering guy guy 20 years old he was a second round pick so essentially you look at it they gave up two second round picks
To get Chris tanv at a quarter of the price this is a great deal for the Dallas Stars and and it does I think it sets the price for other guys in this D Market whether it’s Shawn Walker if the
Flyers are going to trade him or Nick sealer or Matt Dumba maybe you don’t have to give up your first round pick unless you’re acquiring Noah Hanan I mean two second round picks is is is a decent price for for those kind of rentals um you know I thought that the Devils facilitating
That trade at first I was kind of like what the heck and then it’s just an asset right for money that they got to use anyways so you know now they have another asset as they look for a goal tender
Or other pieces at first I thought that tanif was going to the dev and I’m like that’s a really a good move because they could use some defense too but uh I look I think he’s going to be perfect in
Dallas he’s just what the doctor ordered right he’s that stay at home clear the net kind of D that really comes to the four in the playoffs the guy that you need in the playoffs to set the tone
When series get physical and nasty and and you start developing hard matchups right and and guys start going head-to-head period after period game after game like that that’s where tan excels just throw him on a pair with Meo hinan and let it work right I mean let Meo hinan do what Meo
Does Tan’s going to do what he does it’s going to work there’s no reason why it wouldn’t work and that opens it up if you’re looking at a second pair now Thomas Harley can play on the second
Pair maybe a more comfortable spot for him as they get into a playoff situation maybe Essa Lindell on the other side who knows right but throw tanv on the right side move Meo back to the left side it
Works for the Dallas Stars I I like the move but I particularly like the devil’s getting involved in this too because they’re doing the Calgary Flames a solid here right to get him in and and allow this trade facilitate this trade the Devils want to make a move with the Calgary Flames eventually
Maybe for a goal tender maybe for a goenda hanin smart move by the devils and Tom Fitzgerald their general manager just to get involved here work a little bit with Craig Conroy and the Flames see
How they work a little bit and maybe you know in a couple of days or down the road in the summer you make the deal that you want to make with them to get the goal tender that you want
Communication at this time of year is key you know we’ve talked to so many GMS in the past about what this week is like and it’s constant communication right information is gold and and so when you’re
Helping to facilitate a deal like that you get an idea of what they value who they value what kind of players they want what kind of other assets they want and it can only help you in making the
Deals you want to make I I just I want to Circle back to Dallas for a minute you know as you were going on and you talking about how they’re going to realign themselves I I think you put Dallas
Now in that equation of who has the best D in the league right as as a whole and they’re mostly out west right it’s it’s Vegas and they use theirs to perfection in winning the cup to me it’s Colorado
Because of how deep they go and now it’s Dallas and they’re all going to run into each other in the playoffs yeah you look at it right Dallas went to the Western Conference Final last season they
Ran into Vegas and they didn’t have quite the answer that Vegas had in fact it was Vegas’s defense that really made the difference in that series big physical guys protect the front of the net as well as any other team in the league probably anyway last season certainly better than
Any other team in the league and potentially this season the same way I I think Vegas is still a such a serious Contender and also a little bit of a wild card here in the trade deadline here what
Are they going to do because you can never count them out but now you look at Dallas they picked up a missing piece that they didn’t have last season they can compete with Vegas they can compete with
Colorado I think they’re better than Colorado I think they’re as good if Vegas is healthy 100% healthy and Dallas is 100% healthy I think it’s a really close series I think it’s way closer than it was last year in the Western Conference Final which went six games but Vegas was up three to
Nothing in that Series right and then when it came down to game six in Vegas said all right we we have to stop this I think they went out and won something like 6 to2 or something like
That right but now Dallas is right there they are they’re legit and Pete dor we know has been a a terrific coach wherever he’s gone but Jim nil and by the way before I even go into Jim nil Jim nil
Comes from Detroit Sean that’s where he kind of honed his craft as an assistant general manager for years under Kenny Holland we have Ken Daniels Detroit Red Wings broadcaster who’s going to join us on the podcast here shortly we talked to Kenny about the Red Wings but also about his call on
Patrick Kane’s overtime goal in Chicago which will play for you as well just a terrific call so we’ll get to that soon but back to Jim nil the Detroit angle kind of worked there because
He was in Detroit for a while the guy doesn’t get enough credit for the job that he does he’s just a quietly good general manager he’s built this roster he’s built the team he’s built a
Prospect base and in doing this trade he didn’t get rid of any of his top prospects guys like Lan stankoven and Maverick Bourke they stay in Dallas he keeps his first round pick he does a really good job and the Dallas Stars regularly are a contender with Jim nil they went to the
Stanley Cup Final remember in the bubble and they just maint they’ve maintained and they’re probably better now and better suited now for a Stanley Cup run than they’ve ever been under Jim Neil and he’s been there for a while he’s fantastic and he’s one of those guys that just that you mentioned
He’s quiet right quietly goes about his business he’s professional but there there’s no flamboyance there’s no big quote you know there there there’s none of that and and there’s no flamboyant moves right everything’s calculated so it’s it all kind of goes under the radar but I I I think if you
Talk to that fraternity of GMS you know I I think most of them would put him very near the top of the list of a who they want to deal with because it always seems to be a rather simple process
Right and and for the most part fair right you don’t want to make deals that are lopsided you can win one of those but then you never go back to the table right it’s like pushing all in all the time
At poker eventually people just say I’m not going to play and you you you don’t have anybody to dance with at that point so I I I think he’s been fantastic I think he’s for sure a top five GM in
The league right now yeah and you say fair I mean this is a fair trade for the Calgary Flames too like you said two second round picks essentially and the potential for a third round pick for a guy
Who they weren’t going to Reign who’s 34 years old that’s a fair that’s a fair deal what’s the deal for Noah hannahan though that to me is the the outlier here when you look at the defense Market
In this trade deadline is that the Noah hanifen trade because if I’m acquiring Noah hannahan I want to know if I can sign him right that’s a big part of this and I think a that opens it up that
Doesn’t just mean a team that’s contending right you know thinks it’s going to contend right now that that means if this can come with a with a sign in trade or a contract extension when he’s
Acquired like a hampus linol with Boston a couple of years ago that opens the door for more teams to be involved even ones that maybe aren’t right now a Stanley Cup Contender but believe that they will
They’re on the cusp of that New Jersey you know perfect example right that’s the outlier here in this market and the other ones are R more rentals you have other guys who have one year remaining
On their dealer David sard is a perfect example of a guy who could get moved with Montreal one year left on his deal but the Canadians are under no pressure to do it but but hannahan they H they
Have to move him Calgary because he can’t lose him for nothing and he clearly doesn’t want to resign there unless there’s a change of heart coming in the next 8 days you see you got to move him I I
Don’t know where he goes and I don’t know what the price is it’s got to be way higher than what the tanv price was well I don’t know that it’s going to be way higher because you just painted
The picture right they’re desperate so if you’re a good GM oh you want to make this deal you don’t want to lose him for nothing here’s my best offer but the thing that they’re doing now that’s really
Trick is they’re contending they’re Five Points out of the Wild Card they’ve won four games in a row like this is a really bitter pill I think for the players in that room to swallow it’s got to be
Because they’ve played their way into contention they’ve played better but all along I think we knew you know all along we all knew that this is what Calgary was going to do they they they put
That out there on January 31st when they traded Alias lyol right I mean that was the that was the that was the signal okay no matter what we’re selling that we have to and they have they listen
Do you believe them to be a Stanley Cup Contender no but did you believe the Florida Panthers to be a standing cup Contender I didn’t and it’s a great point I think you though you know in hindsight you
Look at what the Florida Panthers had they had a team built for playoffs right I mean that that with this and they and and they’re proving that now they proved it in the playoffs last year and
They’re proving it all season I think they’re the best team in the NHL you and I both have them in the number one spot in the super 16 but you look at Calgary there’s all over the lineup
They did trade lolm now they’ve traded tanv even before they traded tanv you look at it and say can they compete in the West can they compete with Colorado and Dallas can they compete with
Vegas and Edmonton and Vancouver uh even la like I I I didn’t see it before they made these moves I think they had to be realistic here and they are being realistic here you know who believes
They can compete the players the guys in the room yeah yeah I understand that they believe they can compete they also had a coach not long ago who said what are we going to do make the playoffs
And then what be out in 8 days because I think that’s what would happen with the Calgary Flames well that’s not how players work right that’s not how players think but managers can’t think how players think they always believe and and yeah no managers can’t but it’s a really delicate walk
Because now how do you go to your team and say I believe in you guys like let’s go you can’t you don’t you can’t say that to them don’t lie to him right like we’re tearing this thing apart guys oh
Yeah go ahead I believe in you we we’re going to rip three huge pieces out and linol T Evan hanifen but yeah guys go ahead I mean that’s the players are smart they’re going to read right through that
You can’t do that if you’re if you’re Craig Conroy their general manager you don’t go walk into the room and say all right guys I still believe this is a playoff team you say all right guys let’s go
Play your hardest and see where we can finish we still we we we still want to go but we you have to understand what we’re trying to do here you got to be honest with the players they’re they’re
Too smart they’ll read right through that let’s switch teams here before we get to Ken Daniels Detroit Red Wings uh broadcaster who uh joined Sean and I and really a fun interview with Ken Daniels insightful on the Detroit Red Wings but we’ll switch teams the Nashville Predators are a
Different team though different from Calgary I look at Nashville and yes they’re hot now six games in a row that they’ve won Barry trotz talked to Pier LeBron at the athletic and basically said we’re keeping yuss Soros at least through the this trade deadline which they should do I think they
Should be buyers I think they should be big- time buyers because I don’t think they’re that far away from being in a playoff series with a team like Dallas or Colorado or whoever it might
Be I think they can compete especially with what they have on defense and what they have in net I think they should be buyers they have the cap space to do it and more importantly they have five guys who were first round picks playing in Milwaukee of the American Hockey League right
Now and and they have the draft Capital they have four first round picks in the next three years they have I think I want to say something like four picks in the first two rounds of this year’s draft or something along those lines they’ve got the draft Capital they’ve got the
Cap space and they’ve got the prospects they have what it takes to buy at this deadline and not hurt their long-term future I think they should be buyers at this deadline look first of all they
Can’t lose in Milwaukee so I know like they’re I think it’s 17 they’re their winning streak was at which is just crazy but that’s what got them in trouble right that’s why they tore it apart and
Are kind of rebuilding it on the Fly is they kept making trades to try and win and eventually they became bloated and they couldn’t deal with what they had and they needed relief and then they started moving players out and and kind of you know have done a masterful job of rebuilding on
The Fly um but I’m curious if maybe Barry trots who who didn’t live through a lot of the end of that he was already gone but I I wonder if maybe he’s a little gunai seeing what happened and the
Fact that they did have to tear it down like they have a plan very much like Steve Eiserman I think where you know they know what they have and when it’s going to come to fruition and you know how
Much do you want to mess with that by moving pieces that you already have for what are going to essentially be rentals but here’s the thing what they have is what a lot of teams don’t have
They have the ability to get any piece they move to get rentals now back in the summer by trading UC Saros they keep UC Saros through this he’s their number one guy askarov looks like he’s a player right askarov is in Milwaukee and he’s dominating in Milwaukee right now he looks like
He’s gonna he he has that potential to be what he had the potential to be when they drafted him right so you keep keep Soros you add to this team you make it better right now and then in the off
Season you have the ability to trade Soros believe and askarov have him come up and be your new guy and recoup the pieces that you gave up they have the ability to do that along with like I what I
Said the draft picks the prospects and the cap space to do it if I’m Barry trotz an Nashville Predators it’s a perfect position to be in to be buyers at this year’s deadline they didn’t sign
Ryan over riy to be a rebuilding team they didn’t sign Gustaf Nyquist to be a rebuilding team they signed these guys because they wanted to compete Andrew and and Andrew and they’ve gotten better and better and better as The Season’s gone on with Andrew Brett behind the bench this team this team
Can win they can win and then they can recoup what they lose or they trade away like I look at it right now I they they could use a center that’s obvious right but they need a power play
And they need a their power play isn’t very good their penalty kill isn’t very good well go out and get Jake gensel if he’s available put him on your power play he’s a goal scorer right maybe even get
A chance to Reign him in the off season with the money you’re saving by trading UC Soros if that’s the case there’s options there for Barry trots and the Nashville Predators why do you want to
Trade UC Soros so bad let me clarify this I don’t necessarily want to trade UC Saros I think he is one of the top five top three maybe number one goalie in the league but you do have a guy coming
Up behind him who you think could be now you don’t have to trade sorrow you keep him and you can have Saros and askarov as your your goalie next season and see where it goes from there but if you’re
Going to keep UC Saros and you’re going to do that you do run into the possibility that you’re going to have to trade him next year because maybe you don’t want to resign him and you lose the
Value he loses value if that’s the case because a team acquiring him at this time next year only gets him for a quarter of the season and the and the playoffs team acquiring in the offseason gets
Him for a full season a full training camp all that I think there’s a lot more value in trading Soros if you’re going to do it you don’t have to you could also resign him but then what do you do
With askarov you can keep both those are the all the options on the table here for the Nashville Predators but I do my point is is that they could be buyers now and get back what they give away or
Trade away but they’re going to do that to become Stanley Cup contenders yeah which you would think would carry to next year and then you’re going to take a rookie goalie and say here you go here’s
Our Stanley Cup hopes good luck with this I’ve never seen you play in the NHL let’s have some fun there’s risks everywhere my friend there’s risks everywhere and there’s a risk and keep that doesn’t make any that doesn’t make any sense a goendale Cup team team any stand the Cup team
Who is the most important piece to the Florida Panthers B rovski there’s arguments to be made for barov there’s arguments to be made for Matthew kachuck there’s arguments to be made around how many teams can you think of in in recent vintage that didn’t have an elite goalie that Colorado and
Vegas the last two Stanley Cup champions Jordan Bennington had a great run is he an elite goalie with Jordan was an elite goalie that year he was playing like an elite goalie yes he was playing
Like an elite goalie yes okay he’s not an elite goalie he was playing like one but that’s all that matters is that you played like one he got hot he got hot we’ve belabored enough like I think I
Think the world are UC sorrows and I’m not saying they have to trade him but there’s options on the table for the Nashville Predators to get better right now and not really necessarily hurt their
Future at all in doing so that is the point that I was trying to make if the national predators trade 28-year-old UC SOS it will be the biggest mistake that franchise ever made isn’t it enough though
That I’m on board with Nashville whereas you’ve been on board with I know welcome to the B welcome to the bandwagon it’s a good bandwagon to be on uh another one to be on too is the Detroit Red Wings
They’ve they’ve been RedHot 164 and2 in their last 22 games they’ve won six games in a row uh Patrick Kane has a nine game point streak right now he’s got 14 points in those nine games as we record
This on Thursday it’s been a great run for the Red Wings and it was a special night in Chicago for Patrick Kane and Ken Daniels who joins us on the podcast had the call so here’s the call and then
Our interview with Ken Daniels theard brings it to Center the brink it is back drop back Jones Jones right in sa rmer rebound save look out here wide open Center Ice it’s Patrick Kan in Chicago oh
My god with the overtime winner the Red Wings win it 3 to2 the story is complete our K’s return to Chicago you are showtime for sure Ken thanks so much for joining us there’s so much to get to
With the Red Wings but I really wanted to start with your call of Patrick Kane’s overtime goal in Chicago he gives you the time to say Patrick Kane in Chicago cuz he slows it down it’s a great
Call and then the story is complete after does that just come to you how does that work for you it honestly did uh we we play light the lamp at the start of every every Red Wings broadcast and
I had the lead and I think Mickey took the team that day and I said well I’m taking Patrick Kane just for the story and uh then after to Brink it tied it up from Kane with about 6 seconds left I
Remember saying wouldn’t be something if Patrick Kane ended this thing so we had talked about it and I had talked with Patrick about the ovasion and taking the turn at Center ice and and the acknowledgement and the fans that they’re going to love it and we talked at link about that in
The room before we even left on the trip uh but did I Envision him scoring yeah probably 70% of me because it’s Patrick Kan so I thought yeah that could happen but having a call no but
When the brink shoveled it to Center ice and he was in from Center Ice there was no doubt in my mind he was scoring and at that point I was just waiting for him to score and whatever came came and the nicest part for me honestly besides Patrick getting that was my daughter
Who uh works on the cardiac Ward at Northwestern Hospital in Chicago and lives around the corner from Patrick Kane uh that she was there with her fiance right beside me in the booth so that was
Pretty cool to share that moment so Patrick thank you um the guy never ceases to amaze me you see it from afar but when you see it up close it’s truly incredible I have Goosebumps actually you
Telling me that story and you kind of stole my thunder a little bit but I I wanted to ask you you’ve seen so many amazing performances right with the Detroit Red Wings but I’m curious where
You put Patrick Kane coming back from what he’s come back from and being a point of game player for this team and and really giving them probably a large part of the playoff Swagger identity that
They have the Swagger for sure uh the guys love Patrick there’s a confidence in the room now um with everyone whom he plays with he’s one of those rare Wingers who could actually drive a line uh I didn’t know how he’d be after resurfacing surgery nobody knew uh believed that Steve Eisman probably
Summertime had thought about Patrick Kane and then it’s it’s the great on no one but it was worth the risk money didn’t matter they weren’t up against the cap and it’s Patrick Kane and he knew all about Detroit played at honey bake lived at pater be’s house familiar with the area good
Buddy Alex demri is here so it all fit together and as for me watching him and the great players that I’ve been able to call here and fortunate enough to call with Mickey and 27 Seasons now pavl datsuk I always waited till pavl came over the boards and you were just anticipation every
Game when pavl might do something you’d never seen before and now I have that same feeling and I know Patrick Kane had told me he watched pavl datu Glatz living at beaker’s house uh in his time
In Detroit so um yeah I think watching pavl and watching Patrick is pretty incredible for me the Red Wings they certainly needed that jolt did they need the jolt to come from a guy who also understands a big Market hockey an original six Market an understanding of what fans want a and
The ability to to deliver on that too I mean is that part of this as well is he’s got the pedigree he’s got the Stanley Cups but also he has an understanding of what big Market original
Six hockey is all about 100% he’s a student of the game he’s a hockey geek he watches everything he doesn’t miss a thing he knows about the big market and he said to me at one point how fortunate uh he
Is to have worn the Blackhawk Jersey the ranger Jersey and the Redwing Jersey yeah three of the original six for sure he understood that and uh we were talking one day and I said you know you in a
Winged wheel does not look as strange to me as it did when Chris chellos came even though cellos is heart I think was always in Chicago and Patrick’s probably always will be but I think the hockey
And playing and where he plays it’s part of the game and being part of something that’s a little different for him and as he said to me he said I think my time in New York as short as it was maybe
Help that and it’s true there was a transition from Chicago to New York to Detroit and chel came right from Chicago to Detroit and Redwing fans did warm up to chel uh even though it is retirement
Jersey night you wouldn’t known that he was really ever a Redwing however um yeah Patrick just has the moments understanding the game he’s not a huge talker but I know and the and the coaches have said this and the players too and publicly and today I just uh hosted a luncheon with Steve
Eiserman and with derck lone and they they had said Patrick knows the moments of when to speak uh in the room and he can be vocal but the guys know automatically Patrick Kane’s talking and they all
Know that they feel that they just know in the room it gives them you know another percentage chance of winning every game looking around and seeing him there so it’s it’s a big factor him just knowing and and the game and the original six matters how different is hockey in Detroit right
Now with the playoffs are right there they’re two points behind the Toronto Maple Leafs you know that they have a extended lead now in in the Wild Card a little bit I there’s no guarantees
But this is as relevant and as important as the Detroit Red Wings have been in a long time and I’m curious what that’s been like for you it’s been great I mean seven years without and a six-game
Winning streak now it’s the longest in the Steve Eisman era a six-game winning streak for the Red Wings and as much as I think last year I know last year at this time uh was when they were in Ottawa
Wasn’t a leap year but Steve didn’t have to go far on a leap to move what he moved at the deadline and aonic and bruzi the just prior to this the Red Wings won seven of eight a year ago Tampa Bay
Came in Ras M blocked a shot and they lost him for the rest of the year and that that hurt believe it or not it really did he’s that type of player and just does a lot of little things that people don’t
Really speak of in part why I got a four-year extension but Tampa Bay came in to Little Caesars uh Detroit I played Tampa Bay should have won that game and vasileski was brilliant made 45 saves Rings lose three nothing go into Ottawa get pushed around literally figuratively Every Which
Way and that’s when Steve decided it was over the Red Wings I believe were in the second wild card spot at that time but it you’re hoping you’re were hoping the Hope isn’t there I think there’s a reality there and a feeling that’s different no sure thing but it’s different yes you’re still
Battling there with with Tampa Bay and the game in hand and you for two in hand and then you’re trying to chase down Toronto whom I never thought would win five in a row without Morgan Riley but
They did that one seven straight but right now after a loss to them and the Red Wings within two yeah there there’s a much different feeling for the first time well that’ll be the first time in eight years they make the playoffs should they get there there’s a different feeling now because
Of the talent that is around and I go back to always thinking that Steve Eiserman at the end of last season if you you probably recall he said that Ottawa and buffalo were ahead of Detroit in
The rebuild and that’s not that he said they were necessarily better teams but we’re ahead in the rebuild the Redwing prospects are really good but they weren’t ready where Buffalo’s and ottawa’s Prospects were closer those just coming so then Steve goes out and he did what he did knowing
That perhaps he could sign Patrick Kane summertime and waiting to see how things go but then at that point you’re you’re adding Comer you’re adding Daniel spraw you’re adding Christian Fischer when the guys speak of Christian Fischer they absolutely love him what a glue GL guy he is and
You add Shane goess bear who’s helped the power play so much he’ been pushing Jake Walman out of that role Petri can pay power play you add him so I think that Steve just knew if Ottawa
And buffalo are ahead in the rebuild let’s try to fix the present and be more competitive now without any huge long-term deals but this team can be better right now and maybe push ahead of
Ottawa on Buffalo and damn if he didn’t do it and that’s the way it’s working so far so good so now that brings us to what’s coming up in the NHL right you got the trade deadline coming up uh
It’s March 8th next Friday and while I don’t know that the Red Wings will make a huge Splash because I I I don’t know that Eiserman wants to give up a lot of Futures for present right now if he likes
The team that he has now especially what do they need though in your mind like I look at the I look at defense I wonder about their goal tending but then I look at it and say well they’ve given up 10
Goals in this six game winning streak so is that good are they good enough there like there’s a lot of things going well for Detroit right now but in the big picture can what do you think that they
Could use what could Steve do here to add to this team to just make it that much better and give him that much of a better chance with a question you just asked all those things you just said provide
The answer which I give you the same thing uh the goal tending yeah Alex lion has been brilliant and remember didn’t play until mid November in Sweden they weren’t sure I think coming in who was number
One yeah they added Rymer is a depth guy in a one- year lion the best bargain in the National league on a two-year deal whoo they weren’t convinced about he was good probably overworked last year
Now you hope whoo’s coming back so are those are three and that’s why Steve carried three all year goal tending would it shock me I don’t know but you got to move somebody to do something defense
They got a lot of contracts there but they’ve got seven defenseman who can play and Simon Edinson who’s performing really well and up and coming in Grand Rapids obviously be here next year has been somewhat blocked but you’ve got 7D you can play and Justin Hall’s a healthy scratch most nights
When he’s been in he’s been okay hasn’t hurt but he’s got a three-year deal could they add some bite on the back end yes probably could they add another scoring Winger left side in particular yes I think so but I don’t believe Steve’s going to get in acquiring somebody who’s older with a
Lot of term so how creative could you be could he be a pick up something for futures even and be a facilitator because he’s got the cap room I guess you could um so a scoring Winger I would
Think even though you got Fabby right now on the four line it sounds silly but maybe a bigger body or in that way and just to have some depth it’s a great question i’ I’d say grit on the blue line I
Would have loved to have seen R rad kudus on this team who went to his buddy Pat for beak out in Anaheim that would have been one guy I would have liked um so though there isn’t much I don’t know
If Steve Eiserman does something bigger than what we think would I’d be shocked no because of Steve isman really nobody knows so I’m not sure are they thinking they’re a Stanley Cup Contender I don’t believe believe they’re thinking that but do they think that if they can get into the playoffs can
They make some noise and maybe cause somebody some problems in the first round yes so might they be thinking ad that way I I wouldn’t surprise me how much of the success do do you put on Derek Lon to
Me he’s he’s one of the most interesting coaches in the league the path he’s taken to get to where he is his ability to kind of speak to almost every type of player because of the roles he’s had a and
What he’s done in Detroit I mean obviously you know we’ve gone through they added this year and certainly that helps but they they look like a far different team than they than they have in the past they do and he’s so communicative he’s uh wonderful to deal with the players find that
Too he’s honest he’s Fair he’s very open about what he thinks and he’s got a wonderful staff too Alex tang in the power play even though there’s a lot more now to work with has been
Great uh Bob bugner Jay Verity the penalty kill has been outstanding as I look on my notes they’ve only allowed eight power play goals against since December the 12th and only six games the past 28 have the Red Wings allowed a power play goal and uh it’s really remarkable and those eight since
September 12th three came in one game that the LA Kings scored so crazy how good that’s been and I think Bob bugner and Verity deserve a lot of credit Tang I mean both their special teams are in
The po top 10 right now so I think that’s a part of it and what Derek wone does is he delegates he lets those guys handle things he doesn’t worry about the little things uh he speaks with them
Obviously but he delegates very well and I think everybody appreciates that well I mean that’s what he learned with John Cooper too right I mean John Cooper did a lot of delegating to his coaches even
Let him talk to the media some days when John just wanted to have a break from doing that too still does it right guess the last one from me is Dylan Lin he bought in he’s a local guy he’s a Detroit
Guy he he bought into this at a time where it would have been very easy to not buy in and we’ve seen him wear his emot Mo publicly privately I’m sure you’ve seen it what do you think all this
Means to him right now team on a six-game winning streak playoffs right there I mean speak to the idea of what Dylan Lin is going through right now well nine Seasons first year in the playoffs Jeff
Blel when when he came and that was uh the last time it means so much to him and I I’ll tell you this story we we did uh feature one-on-one uh with Dylan and yes it means a lot being the local guy
And he’s always been a rink rat and his parents are at every game and uh Dylan’s just a wonderful guy to deal with and we were we were talking about family and that was one of my questions and it led
Into what is the Redwing family to you and he said it’s going to give me chills thinking about it and I asked him the same thing today and it was still very similar answer and we go back to the Toronto
Game it was a month ago now maybe or three weeks or so it was Red Wings at a bad day of travel it was after a game at home couldn’t get out that night and then the next day couldn’t get out and
We didn’t arrive at Scotia Bank in Toronto until six o’clock and they pushed the game back a little bit so really an hour and a half or so before Puck dro the team arrives we were we were on the uh
The plane the charter we had to take because our plane wasn’t in commission and uh as we’re leaving the plane and I said to rasm and Kane before we got off and I said you know you guys are winning
This game and they said we feel the same way I said when you don’t have time to think about the crap that we’ve been through that’s when it’s best so Dylan referred to that night and he said when
Andrew cop got the go-ahead goal in a few minutes late in that game and Detroit had played pretty well for what they had gone through he said just get me the shot if you would please of the bench
Send it to me and he said this on camera and we did and our B crew sent him the clip and if you see the guys on the bench from Christian fiser and Fab Fab everybody just jumping up and down on the
Bench and then Raymond scored to put out a reach and it’s a 4-2 win and both shots and the guys just going crazy Dylan said to me that gives me chills that’s family and that tells you all you
Need to know about this Redwing team and this is a very closely knit group and they just love that night and they’ve been pretty good since the New Year 164 and2 second best record in the league so they’ve they’ve had some Downs this season but it’s been resilient Alex lion bad game bounces
Back so these guys and it’s guys like like David Pon and Christian Fischer and Patrick Kane and de brinkin who’ve been through it all so Dylan the point to your question Dylan’s not alone anymore he doesn’t have to feel the pressure and he learned from Henrik Zetterberg and he
Told me he learn when to speak up and it’s still a process for him he’s still learning when to do that but he doesn’t have to be the guy all the time I’m on the back end now with Petri adding
To sherat and cider learning from them too um I think it’s taken some of the Heat off him where Dylan can just be Dylan and be himself lead when he needs to and it’s help with a surrounding group
Awesome Ken well we really thank you for joining us and it it’s been one of the best stories since January you talked about their record I can’t wait to see having covered so many playoff games
In Detroit mostly in the old Joe Lewis all of them in the old Joe Lewis Arena but I I I can’t wait to see you know if Detroit makes it what the playoff fever is going to be like there and to hear your
Calls we’re really looking forward to it thank you I appreciate it and I honestly think these guys are building off the Lions and and they saw the line fandom and this is a football Town even though it’s called hockey town it’s a football town but they’re feeding off that and I think
The fans are they’re excited they saw it the Lions did yeah didn’t get to the ultimate goal but even feeling that and uh 20 of the last 22 have been sellouts at Little Caesar so the fans are feeling
It thank you before we let you go doesn’t Dereck Lon want Dan Campbell to come in the room and talk to the team next on the list apparently said he’s sending out the bat signal I’m not sure about that
But it likely will it likely will I’m sure and uh players would love that so you know he’s a Bills fan but he supports the Lions too so glad to all right thanks so much Ken appreciate it thanks guys
My pleasure great stuff there with Ken Daniel Sean and I gotta say he did mention a guy I wanted to talk about in the interview we mentioned Pat ver right he talked about Patrick Kane living with
Pat verbeek Uh when he played for Honey Baked in Detroit and all that well I saw Pat ver last night Wednesday night at Madison Square Garden the Anaheim Ducks general manager was taken in the game between the New York Rangers and the Columbus Blue Jackets and it’s trade deadline time it’s not
Out of the ordinary to see a general manager pop up in a building at any time really throughout the course of the year but I thought that one was interesting definitely took note of that one and I
Know Ranger fans did as well because there’s been a lot of talk about needs for the New York Rangers who’ve won 11 of their last 12 games they had a 10- game winning streak lost to Columbus then
Then beat them first team to 40 wins this season there’s been talk about needs for the Rangers at this deadline Center and rightwing and there’s been a lot of talk about the Anaheim Ducks having what they want and there’s Pat vque at Madison Square Garden taking in a game between the New
York Rangers and the Columbus Blue Jackets should we read into this Sean yeah of course we should I look it’s not like showing up at the at the LA Kings right it’s not a drive down the freeway you
Come across the country you know and look this is a very rich area to scout in the week before right you can hit New York you can hit the island you can hit the Devils you can hit the Flyers all
Of whom could be selling or buying but you should read into it like I I think there’s fits there and and I think you know if you again if you look at our power rankings and you look at me being the
Outlier with the Rangers I had them at seven like to me their holes are ginormous look the Rangers can walk into any building and beat the doors off of somebody mhm you know who could do
That last year the the Bruins yeah and you know what happened they got in a seven game series where somebody figured them out somebody figured out how to attack them how to match up with them
How to keep games close and get lucky somebody’s going to match up with the Rangers and the way they’re presently constituted will match them into submission if you have three lines and 4D which every elite team does the Rangers are in a world to hurt third line win playoffs what’s
The Rangers third line you don’t have to sell me on this right this has been a topic of mine for a while you can’t go into the playoffs if you you cannot go into the playoffs if the New York
Rangers with Johnny brzinsky as your third line Center you cannot do it I think Johnny brazinski has been a nice player for them he’s a versatile player he could play on their fourth line he could
Be a healthy scratch that they pop into the lineup when need be they gave him a contract because he’s earned the contract he’s been a solid player for them but you can’t go go into the playoffs with
Johnny brazinski as your third line Center you can’t go into the playoffs with two AHL call-ups brodzinski by the way was an AHL callup you can’t go into the playoffs with two AHL call-ups no
Matter how big they are in Adam edram and Matt Ry on your fourth line you can’t do it heck I could even give you an argument that you can’t go into the playoffs with Eric Guston as your on your
Third defense pair there’s three positions right there for the New York Rangers that need to be filled Center third line center right Wing because we I don’t believe that kokako is ready to play rightwing on the top line with Chris krider and mik zaban Jad I think he defers to zabana Jaden
Cryder when he was playing on the third line they just moved him up to the top line right he played his first game back on the top line with zabana Jad and kryder Wednesday night against Columbus
Really didn’t do much that line didn’t really do much okay he’s better on the third line right now so that opens up you need a you need a first line right Wing or you need a right wi in general you
Need a third line Center and a luxury would be to get somebody else to play on your third defense pair with Braden Schneider three holes three holes that they have to fill they can fill all of them
It takes away the AHL call-ups maybe you only need maybe you only use one of them or you use none of them right it then they look like a complete team right now they’re winning games not as a complete
Team but I got to give them a lot of credit they’re winning games they’ve beat beat some good teams they beat Dallas they beat Tampa they beat Colorado I mean they’ve beaten good teams in this stretch so you got to give them a lot of credit for that but overall there’s holes and
If they were to match up even against a team like Detroit Sean it could be a struggle for them if they if they go in as constituted that’s why they know they have to make moves Anaheim has
Some players that fill those holes for them the two most obvious ones that we’ve talked about are Frank vetrano who you did an interview with on our podcast with all-star weekend and Adam Henrik what’s the cost but there’s Pat forek at Madison Square Garden watching the New York Rangers and
Columbus Blue Jackets so let’s not discount the fact that he’s also watching them maybe there’s something working on with Columbus for a bigger picture deal who knows right who’s he looking at from the Rangers who are they trading is it kako is it a fourth line guy that they just called up
Like Adam edstrom is he evaluating anybody that’s on the NHL roster are the Rangers willing to trade anybody off the NHL roster I got to think they are right now or else why is Pat Forbe at the NHL game
Well I have no idea but hartford’s a hop skip and a jump right but if they trade off their roster they’re in the same problem right you’re trading away pieces to add pieces but you you need to add
Pieces without losing anything right that’s how that’s how tight they are right you talk about their third pair defenseman who gets through 25 games of the playoffs without having a defenseman hurt right and there’s their other defenseman is Zach Jones who’s a rookie and he hasn’t really
Looked all that good this season in the limited time he’s gotten he’s also not a big guy he’s not a physical guy he’s exactly what Eric Guston is they need a guy like Joel Edmonson to play on
That third pair steady reliable predictable just a guy that you know is going to be play well in front of the net battle in the corner move the puck up the ice not a guy who’s going to try to
Move the puck up the ice bring it down the wall go through his legs make a seam pass don’t need any of that on your third pair right if I’m the New York Rangers if I’m Chris jury I’m looking
At and saying I want Frank vatrano I want Adam Henrik and I want Joel Edmonson what’s it GNA cost me that’s pieing the sky they’re not gonna be able to get all those guys without giving up
A lot to do it two sounded like one of the kids at the Wily Wonka Factory I know I want I want I want that’s where they’re at right now but again I you have to give them a lot of credit and
The most important thing for the New York Rangers is that who went they went 10 and one by the way in the month of February after going 57- two in January is eigor shesterkin is back he’s playing
Really well 7-0 with a 953 save percentage in the month of February for eigor shurkin that is the most important thing for the Rangers he is he is covering a lot of holes right now for that team
It’s too much to ask for a for him to do that in a long playoff run on a consistent basis that’s why they have to plug the holes I mean listen Chris Jury has shown he’s willing to make trades he’s
Done it I expect them to look different whether it’s a week from now eight days from now whatever I expect them to have a different look like they play Saturday night in Toronto and they play Monday at home against Florida those are there are only two games remaining before the deadline and
Honestly I’m looking at the game against Florida I’m saying that’s the measuring stick game if I’m jury that’s where I want to see what happens in that game how do we match up against that team
And you don’t base it off of one game obviously but maybe you wait a little bit if the prices are if if things are quiet to see how you match up and see what do we really need how does kak
Handle that if he’s on the first line right wing right like how does gustofson handle that because that’s a team to me that they’re the model of what you want to look at right now and the measuring
Stick for the Eastern Conference and the Rangers look nothing like them no they don’t other than at goenda they look nothing like them no they don’t they’re a completely different team and Florida is
A team that you know is is more built for playoff success but if the Rangers can fill two or three two of those holes they’ll look a lot better so we’ll see what they can do but it was just very
Interesting Pat bque the Anaheim Ducks GM there and who knows maybe he was there to watch Kill marchenko from the Columbus Blue Jackets and we’re over overanalyzing everything here for no reason at all maybe he just wanted a slice of New York Pizza may maybe maybe he wanted the prime rib
Sandwich in Madison Square Garden which is very good by the way you know got to limit how many you have of them because they’re huge and you know we’re watching our figures here Sean well
Yeah now that it’s your birthday you probably had a or you’re probably going to have a lot of cake so you should lay off the prime rip sandwiches I didn’t have the prime rib sandwich last night uh
Let’s go out west first there’s two teams out west the uh Vancouver Canucks alas Patterson it looks like the extension that we’ve talked about the new contract that everybody’s been waiting on could be happening here soon there’s been reports of that I’m not surprised eight-year deal more than likely
It makes a lot of sense but beyond a biger bigger picture for the conck Sean Jim Rutherford who’s their president of hockey operations and Patrick alven their GM I don’t think they’re done if Jake gensel is seriously available don’t be shocked if the Vancouver Canucks are looking at him as well
How they afford it remains to be seen but there’s ways there’s ways to make it happen Rutherford knows him toet knows him right I mean there is a fit there and you look at the Canucks right
Now they’re not playing all that well maybe it’s a blip maybe they just need a little bit more pop as they get into the playoffs a playoff performer well hello Jake gensel is a playoff performer I
Think they need another jolt right I think they need something to kind of wake them up and you wonder if it’s just that post trade kind of lull right like the so we know the team that we have
This is the team we know we’re in the playoffs you know we we’ve made that cushion and maybe we take our foot off the gas and they’re not a team that’s made to take their foot off the gas
Right they they need to go at 100% all the time but nobody knows the ways of getting around the salary cap better than Jim Rutherford right and and to maximize his chips and look he’s
Not going to be there forever I mean that’s just a fact right like he and you always wonder about GMS right like if you were a GM of a team and you knew that your tenure there wasn’t going
To be that long what do you care about the future morally I guess you should right you wanted give something to the next person and be like but you got a chance to win a Stanley Cup and to
Be remembered as the guy who brought the Stanley cup to Vancouver like trade all my assets that’s it I mean you have a chance to win the standy Cup who care you don’t think about the next guy you don’t think about your age you don’t think about your tenure there your legacy or
Whatever you think about we have a chance to win the stany Cup this year let’s go out and get that get the guys that are we think are going to be the ones that really help push us over the top so and
There’s famili the familiarity there it makes a lot of sense but but I’ll ask you this question to go back to the East do you think the Penguins trade him I I do now like they just haven’t done
What they need to do look and and they’re in a place now with they’re seven points out but they have four games in hand they win all those games they’re right there right like and that’s almost
What I see happening is is they’re going to win like Sydney Crosby’s been playing so well right like he’s basically been like I’m going to drag us into the playoffs I don’t care about how bad this
Team is like and he’s played out of his tree but the closer they get the harder it is to trade him and cuz then you’re like well if we get him back we’re going to be even better and off we go and
Then you look at that team and they’re a oneline team in the playoffs it’s going to be a disaster right like so I I I think you have to bite the bullet and trade him it’s really hard for Kyle
Dubis to do it because he doesn’t have a currency yet in Pittsburgh but he’s not trading Crosby he’s not trading M he’s not trading a franchise icon he’s trading a good player who’s been a really
Good player for the Pittsburgh Penguin I don’t think you need the currency to do it I think you have to do it if you’re them because they’re no better with Jake gensel than they were four weeks
Ago he’s a great he’s a really good player but they haven’t they didn’t make the playoffs last year and they’re not in position to make one make it this year and they’ve had them might as well
Trade him get younger we talked about that last week but it opens the door to the question who’s taking third place in the Metropolitan Division there can’t be six teams that go to the playoffs
From the Atlantic there’s got to be three from the Metro we know two we know two of them the Rangers and and the Hurricanes they want it they’re in they’ve been playing really well who’s the
Third team is it Philadelphia are they going to look exactly the same as they do now eight days from now well they just lost Jamie Dale too right to he’s on injured reserve he’s out Travis connec
Is hurt he’s missing three games in a row is it still Pittsburgh I mean what about the Devils I mean the Devils haven’t looked like they want it you know there’s talks of Tyler tley potentially
Being traded to a team like the Los Angeles Kings that lost Adrien kempe and tley obviously has won the Stanley Cup with the Kings who’s going to be third Sean I never thought I would say this because I thought it all year I thought it was Mirage Philadelphia Flyers I agree stuff happens
And they don’t go away like you keep on saying oh that’s the one Carter Hart left but what have they got in goal when Jamie Dale hurt what are they going to do win KY out what are they going
To do win they’re just one of those teams that it seems like the culture is bigger than the skill and it’s more important and and they don’t go away and they don’t give up and they hold the
Position now and nobody else seems willing or able to put together a winning streak to challenge them the Washington Capitals are What minus 30 in Gold differential yeah like that’s crazy for a contender right and and then the Devils you know the Devils have been ahead one to nothing
In 13 of their games this year I think and every other game they’ve been behind one- nothing do you know how hard that is and what a testament it is to that team that they’re even in contention
When almost 75% of their games they’re down one nothing that’s nuts you just scored on the Devils though during this podcast you scored a goal on the Devils right that’s how they have a huge huge issue they’re not making the playoffs with what they have right now my Michigan move is pretty
Good it is yeah yeah it’s not the Devils I don’t believe in the Penguins it’s not the capitals the Islanders have not shown me much they haven’t gotten a Patrick W bump it’s the flyers I also
Don’t think the Flyers have to I I I think it’s 50/50 and maybe I’m even leaning the other way maybe I’m leaving closer now to Shawn Walker and Nick seeler staying in Philadelphia and not necessarily to make the playoffs but they can resign these guys why not they’re a good defense
Pair they’re a solid second defense pair they’re not old they’re not you know veteran guys grizzled with over a thousand games played and you know you know you got to move them they’re not going
To cost they’re not going to cost you it’s not an 8-year deal you’re looking at here at you know an eight-year $60 million deal for any of these guys I don’t think sign them they’re good and they’re
Philly yeah they really are they really are they they’re they’re very much within the culture of that team and City and I think they should keep them sign them it’s not going to cost you that
Much there’s no reason if you’re the Philadelphia Flyers why you have to give those guys away at the deadline and and lose and have to retool it again next year like use them you have them use them
Right make the playoffs get it get the experience I’m not saying you have to mortgage your future to do it but you’re not mortgaging your future you’re actually enhancing your future probably if you resign these two guys before the deadline or even just keep them and resign them you have to
Still have a couple of months to get it done right I think that’s what they should do and to end it I did touch on this in the mailbag this week John torella is the jack Adams winner right now I mean
Rick tet’s Done a terrific job in Vancouver but with everything that the Flyers have dealt with and you kind of you went over it before how is John torella not the Jack Adams Award winner right
Now I don’t know I mean I would put Derek Lon in that conversation um you know we talked about that a little bit in in our interview with with Ken Daniels but um no JN John’s been unbelievable
And you you know you talked about the Rangers in the Carolina you know wanting it and and being in position finishing first becomes really important because you’re going to beat the Philadelphia Flyers most likely but they’re going to beat on you they’re going to beat on you and not in
The old Philly way they’re just going to make you pay for everything that you earn against them and that’s the last thing you want if you designs on a Deep Run is to run into a team like that
In the first round that’s just going to make it excruciating right and if you finish first you’re probably looking at either Detroit or Toronto or Tampa who are all probably better than the Philadelphia Flyers as teams but over the course of a seven game series they will not beat on you
Like the Flyers will you just have to knock down some of their skill and you can win that series you know and all three of them have issues like the lightning have defense issues right now they
Don’t have a goal tending issue they have defense issues the Red Wings Team Speed a little bit and who’s the goalie a and Toronto defense goal tending I mean Philly has there’s no gaping holes
Right but there’s no star power either that’s why they’re just going to beat on you so yeah I agree with you Sean finishing first is huge listen one more podcast probably until the trade deadline one
More and then we’ll talk all about the playoffs coming up after that but one more to go before the trade deadline which is 3 P.M Eastern next Friday March 8th yeah I can’t wait it’s going
To be a long eight days for sure there’s going to be a lot of things that happen between now and then hopefully the the deadline itself is an interesting one the actual day has been a little
Bit of a dud the last few years because of the trades that were made before it um and we don’t have to pick our Olympic teams and assorted other fillers um I’m glad we’re not doing a live podcast
On that day because we’d have to start talking about I don’t know what Christmas salad maybe Dan no over the rest we’re not talking about that ever again and uh but yeah it’s going to be awesome I
Can’t wait to get together next week and see how the Landscapes changed and then the week after that cuz then we Sprint Sprint and you know how good a sprinter each of us are we Sprint right
Into the playoffs and happy birthday to me yes and happy birthday to you by the way had to get that in happy anniversary as well to Sydney Crosby yesterday was the anniversary of the golden goal
In the Olympics you and I were fortunate enough to sit next to each other and cover it and that’s how I remembered it was your birthday because your birthday was the next day after Canada won in that
Incredible overtime game we went out to dinner we saw some acts of violence while we were going out to dinner and then you wanted me to go out to celebrate your birthday and I refused in one
Of the rare times I’ve ever said no to going out because I knew it was not in my best interest and you’ve held it against me ever since but that’s how I always remember your birthday whenever they say congratulations to Sydney Crosby on the Golden Goal I say oh Dan’s birthday’s coming
Up yeah that was then now I’m just hoping to get through my birthday that’s it well anyway listen this is fun Ken Daniels was great 8 days to the trade deadline enjoy the [Music] hockey
Dan and Shawn were joined by Ken Daniels, the Red Wings longtime television broadcaster (21:17) to discuss his terrific call on Kane’s OT winner, the likelihood that Detroit will end its seven-year playoff drought this season, Kane’s impact in Detroit, the Red Wings’ hot streak and what general manager Steve Yzerman could still do before the deadline. In addition, the guys broke down the Tanev to Dallas trade and why they think it’s a home run for the Stars. They talked about the Nashville Predators as buyers at the deadline, but disagreed with the idea that trading Juuse Saros after this season might be the right move. The New York Rangers’ needs at the deadline and why they are holes they have to fill to be a contender were also discussed at length. Trading Jake Guentzel and the Vancouver Canucks as a fit for the Pittsburgh Penguins forward was also an interesting topic covered.
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