John Shannon on Panthers’ Stanley Cup, McDavid skipping Conn Smythe award, #Canucks in free agency

John Shannon on Panthers’ Stanley Cup, McDavid skipping Conn Smythe award, #Canucks in free agency

hello John how are you I’m good boys kind of uh Happy hockey at least this part of hockey’s over I’m I was tired yeah that a long season long Year John an awfully long year and so why don’t we just start there because I felt like last week we might have gotten to a Breaking Point in terms of people complaining about the duration of the NHL season it’s always been a CBA matter we’ve been told right because the standard player contract expires July 1st we got a CBA coming up in a couple of years do we think that this year was the learning that we got to move the hockey season up and get it finished a little a little more quickly are you kidding are you kidding me are you serious yes no no um first of all the July 1 is because it’s the National Hockey League fiscal year they go July 1st to June 30th so it’s strictly a financial thing in addition to the collective bargaining agreement um but when we see the ratings uh later today and we’ll see numbers that suggest that between the two countries and this is this is my guess we’re going to be close to 12 million people everybody’s gonna say hey they’re watching hockey on June 24th what’s the problem well let’s keep on going I guess the question would be could you have got a bigger audience if the game had been a little earlier in the and what did game three and game four look like on the relative scale you know uh uh well in the ratings for the whole final were up in the United States and the rating uh in Canada was always over three million game six did 4.7 million in the in Canada and 4.2 in the United States so we’re we’re in that 9 million I just think that game Seven’s numbers are going to be yeah stronger um because everybody everybody always Tunes in for a definitive game so I I think people are going to think we’re just fine and by the way if the Canucks if the if had been the Canucks in the in the Stanley Cup final rather than the Oilers everybody in Vancouver would have said it was just fine sure anybody in the two competing markets is in I mean in for a penny in for a pound uh but no I was talking this was a compelling Series in the end that lots of people latched on to in games five six and seven but the players have the say back to the CBA part of it like you know sports are starting to realize they’re asking too much of their athletes um you know at what point do the players say we’ve got no interest in playing for you for 10 of the 12 months of the year uh at what point do they step up and have their voice heard there well the players are business partners the players love the money the players uh are just fun with it in fact I would tell you that probably the players like the schedule of the Stan Cup Final with the extra day of rest between travel days so in many ways I would say the the the players were catered to in this scenario of this final and that might become more of a precedent than anything else but there’s a happy medium there of starting the season October sure there sure there is but that’s here let me just tell you one one story uh so I was with the league for five years and I sat in aard a Governor’s meeting with three owners in the meeting that suggested the hockey season should start November 1st all three of them were from Southern US cities all three of them had very important NFL teams in their cities and none of them wanted to play hockey and compete against the National Football League so and that was at a time when our our American TV partner was Allin with hockey first because it was the primary uh property that they had on their cable network NBC well the National Hockey League now partners with TNT and with ESPN Disney whose primary partners are basketball and football and hockey is at least third in one network and second in the other um and I I would say suggest that pushing the schedule to the middle of October which competes less with football competes less with Major League basball playoffs is the way it’s going to be in in the foreseeable future uh let’s move on to the uh Series in the game itself first of all we were having the debate yesterday could you argue that last night’s game was the biggest in NHL history given the 03 comeback and the best player in the world involved in a game seven recency bias I think you could say that but it’s recency bias you know I I think it you know it’s it’s all generational I would argue that the the Canucks and Rangers in 84 was as as as big a game I think people in Chicago and Montreal what argu game s in 1973 uh was as big as as you were going to to find you know I would argue that you know when you look at where where hockey has come from and you had Toronto and Montreal playing in a game six Stanley Cup Final in 67 or a Montreal Calgary Stanley Cup fin in 1989 I I think that they’re all um at this point with where the game is in in this maybe we can pick 20 years is this the biggest game in 20 years yeah it is there have been bigger games as big as we saw last night uh in the history of the game and it just so happens that we like to we we we like to take extremes it’s either the best or the worst and we don’t understand the 90% of gray in the middle uh let’s ask our poll question should Conor McDavid was it disrespectful for McDavid not to come out and accept the consite trophy no I I don’t think so I think you have to respect the player I think you have to respect his emotions um you know I I I I never played in the National Hockey League but when you have gone through the the battles of the games that these guys went through together I’m not sure I’d want to leave the room to go back on the ice to to receive an award and come in back into the room saying I want an award um I I you know you jsir went back on the ice in 2003 um to accept the award um I I think if you asked JF Shar then and in years past past years would he could he have gone back on the ice I think he would have a different opinion than what he did yeah he has actually said that the Once Upon a Time in Anaheim E60 documentary he mentions that um it was uh um it was a sad moment he called it and he he left a trainer table out of view from his teammates yeah exactly um you know the the longest time and I’m going to show my age here for the longest time as a guy who produced the Stanley Cup Final the C trophy was was always given out in the TV studio I mean Ronnie hexall Ronnie hexall wanted an A7 in Edmonton and we did it um outside of the flyer dressing room as a presentation it wasn’t done on the ice um I think there has to be I I have no issue with the way they handled it last night I have no issue the way Connor handled it last night um and you know I think that um I think from that perspective it was handled as pefully as it could be My Pal maowen though I got to tell you my pal Macan who always comes up with different angles asked the question on our show this morning um what if the game had been in Edmonton would Connor have gone on the ice in Edmonton yeah and a really good question and we’ll never know but something tells me he would not have because he’d be so disappointed still and if he had been an adinton because one of the things that we’re seeing in our comments on our poll question would that have been disrespectful to and stealing from stolen from the Panthers celebration yeah exactly yeah yeah I I listen we have be we are still all human we are still all emotional we have to allow for individual emotions to play a part in sports you know for Connor not to come up it was an emotional decision he made and you have to respect that I think shanon I think there’s I think there’s a spot where they can this one has a a brain shout in terms of what to do two comments first of all I think there is a way to do it you do it at the end of the handshake line you just get you gotta get on the mic quicker if you’re if you’re Gary in the NHL there’s there’s that as an option or you do what every other sport does and I know that NHL people like to uphold tradition it was always thus so we must not change but of course um Conor mcdavis is not hoisting that trophy if it’s finals MVP like every other sport does great cup MVP Super Bowl MVP NBA Finals MVP they they focus on the moment that matters in the MVP of that moment not on what he did 12 weeks ago in round one versus we don’t even remember at this point um Conor McDavid doesn’t win this trophy for finals MVP not even close he was he had one point in games one two 67 um it’s bosski or it’s barov and we we get to celebrate the performance of a player on the winning team doesn’t that make more sense well not to me but I understand the logic yeah uh you know I you know the the award was was given to the league U by the Smite family because it was supposed to award the complete playoffs that’s that was that was that was the the original original rule but but let me but let me you you can extend that so if you’re going to do that why are we giving out the heart trophy for a regular season why don’t we include the playoffs too you know there are there are exponential there are there are other equations that could come in I don’t have a problem with it being for 25 games I mean I think it I I Blake I’ll be honest I think it’s very respectful of the journey that players in teams take for the last two months period and and and and if if we’re we’re worried about well we have to be concerned how we present the trophy then we’re missing the point of what the trophy stands for the trophy stands for how how we how how that journey of you know five games against La seven games against the Canucks six games against Dallas and seven games against the Florida Panthers that’s the journey and that’s the trophy uh you know changing the rules one thing I just don’t think the rules need to be changed because we don’t like how it’s presented no it just feels like a participation ribbon at this point though like it it feels like oh we should you think you think Conor M David was awarded the con trophy because it’s participation metal it feels like that now yeah you didn’t win the cup but ah you you were good you were good here’s here’s a trophy here’s something like no reward the guy who brought his team to the Stanley Cup that makes more sense to me what every other sport does I think we’re the ultimate team sport and I quite frankly I could give two Hoots about the K Smite and i’ you know as as I tweeted out it’s funny I tweeted something out there’s so much discussion in game five and six about well Connor might win the the the con SM I tweeted out and it got lots of reaction I tweeted out that Conor McDavid could care less about the consite trophy having his his name on one trophy he wants 52 names on the big trophy that’s all he wants that that supports my argument because if you talk to guys Kobe before he passed Michael Jordan all that they love to talk about their finals MVP in terms of their resume in terms of why you know different different sport different for different culture different sport yep different culture different sport let me ask that uh this because the other comments uh we’re seeing in our poll is no no it’s an individual award this is a team sport why not dispense with it entirely yeah exactly why hav I I would I would have no issue with it being removed I would have no issue with it being removed but it isn’t removed it is still part of the greatest silverware in the history of professional sports and let’s just enjoy it for what it is y no it’s the appetizer um to the cup presentation which is the greatest trophy in all of team sport I had seen moments I hadn’t seen till the montage by the way which was well done as per usual at the end of the regular season to uh to Killers this time um I didn’t seen that little clip of of Paul Maurice uh talking was it barkov saying don’t touch the Prince of Wales I know that had been out there y that had been out there for sure um I mean again why are we presenting these trophies nobody touches why are we presenting trophies that nobody wants right in this sport doesn’t make any sense yeah the the irony of it all is that you know the EV Oilers will be unveiling a Campbell conference banner and the Florida Panthers will be unveiling a prince of Wales conference uh Banner uh or an Eastern Conference Banner Prince of Wales trophy banner and by and by the way every other sports League now presents trophies at the end of conference championships no the NFL does it the NBA does it the CFL does it yeah do they touch them yeah no they do you know people I’m going to go back and touched by Stanley Cup and I’m gonna guarantee that I’ll Never Win It okay’s that you’re so right John um hey if you had a vote would you would you have voted for McDavid um yes if with with the criteria of voting for 25 games yes so let me ask you this let’s survey the room if you have a vote and you’re voting for someone on the losing team who you know is not GNA come out and accept the trophy does that change your vote yeah it does it does for me John no it can’t shouldn’t can’t and by the way by the time you know you voted at the 12 minute Mark of the third period you voted at the 12 minute Mark of the third period the Oilers could have scored when they pulled the goalie forced overtime and won the now but by the way last day checked they didn’t so I certainly wouldn’t pull the Jim mat and vote only well for losing players well no but uh here’s the thing and I know this because I’ve run gray cup MVP voting JN is right you do it with time left in the game because the TV people are in your ear saying we need to know whoever it’s not the TV people it’s not the TV it’s the league people the league league people in conjunction with the TV people who will be in the MVP trophy and so you you do get it done early but you allow for the fact that if things go buck wild here in the final couple of minutes and we have voters coming to us saying I want to change my vote then we’re gonna send you a second you know set of results that’s right absolutely so fail by way by the way if Sergey bosski had won the km last night I would not have objected I would not have objected you know and he he was he would he won four games in the Stanley Cup Final he he was against he went against Jeremy Swan he went against Igor shurkin he went against Andre vasileski you know he of head-to-head voted 98 for babowski I would have been just fine with that yeah but if I was going to vote I would have voted McDavid a word or two on Roberto leango John I I tell you what um when he when I saw him beating the drum and I saw the expression on his face I had never seen an expression on Roberto’s face like that at the Olympic during when I was wearing a mask when he was playing for the Canucks but I’d never seen that kind of expression on his face and how involved and engaged he was and then for him to raise the cup over his head I think I think there was a little bit of me that said okay the circle is closed now life is good pretty cathartic pretty cathartic yeah oh yeah at first I thought it might have been put on and then I saw his face again and I’m like no I think think he’s just really pumped up for this game oh he was he was let’s put it this way he was better than Jack Nicholas yeah I think he wanted to be in the blue paint for last night I I’m happy for him I’m happy for Paul you know um there are lots of great stories on both teams uh it it doesn’t uh it doesn’t hurt the game the Florida Panthers won the Stanley Cup that’s for sure and you’ve got to hand it to uh former player agent turn executive Bill Zito I mean that Matthew kachuck trade he pulled out pulled off a couple I mean that takes Boulders man uh after a season in which you were as great as you were with a player who put up points like hubero not to mention a top four right shot right side defenseman in leager and you give up a first round pick and you give up a reasonable Prospect for one guy and he’s a Winger no less and here you are getting your rewards and let’s remember that was after 122 Point Season right uh they did get swept by Tampa round two they didn’t renew the the coach that had put them the 122 points in Andrew brunette because he had replaced Joel early in the season if you recall um you know so there and and then last night he made two trades at the deadline Vladimir teras senko and alapo and both guys are in lineup last night yeah yeah so there’s lots of there’s lots of positives for Billy uh and I I I have friends in Columbus and I think the ownership has to be wondering hold on now Bill Zito the manager in Florida why wasn’t he the manager in the end in Columbus Paul Maurice I’m I think most people are glad for him I did not I you know he’s such a nice guy I don’t think he deserve to be Marty Schottenheimer of the National Hockey League uh I’m glad he got a cup yeah and I loved what he said uh when he turned and looked into the camera and he said to his father um you know Dad your name is now going to go there with Bello and Rashard and how and Lindsay Maurice and I’ll tell you what I get emotional about giving the standing out up every year since the first time I saw it skate onto the or carried out to the ice and Bost in in the late 70s I was almost in tears oh when you said that I was almost in tears because that’s why we play the game boys that’s why we love the game and that’s why we’re so committed to the game is for your family yeah first time I’ve watched the sandle C final with my dad and I don’t know how long that so that one hit home in particular uh they did a very nice job on the opening and on the closing and incorporating the voice of our late friend Bob Cole because yesterday was his birthday day so very well done by the hockey Canada producer group on the front and back end of well nobody could call a game like Bob Po nobody could do it like Robert Cecil Po and uh we miss him every day so Florida Panthers enjoy today because your GM is at work tomorrow and one of you may not be a panther by week’s end been traded just Jing it is a little much John like I feel bad for some of these Scouts in front office people who should really get a few days to savor all of this and instead are gonna get a few hours before the new leag well not to you’re timing is tough but what but like Bill Zito’s had his meetings all for the last eight days because he can’t do anything during the game or during the day of the prac so you know their scouting Department me and Brian McCade and all those guys they’ve all been uh they’ve all been working their tals off so have the oers with their group interesting to see what happens in Edmonton sooner than later with we know that Kenny Holland is leaving is how quickly things will will happen in Edmonton to find a new manager and what happens there okay well we’ll talk next week and uh when we do free agency will be will be upon us a completely different team the Vancouver connects right you expecting the connects to be uh big players uh I I’ll be I’ll be lying if I tell you that I’d been on the phone for the last three days worried about free agency I’ve been worried about the Stanley Cup Final I’ve been do I think that do I think the are going to be doing things I will never not think that Jim Rutherford wants to do things Jimmy Rutherford you know we I still remember when he came on our show on the radio one day and I said well aren’t you concerned about losing draft picks no no I want to win the cup now I’ve got Sydney Crosby and evny Walkin and we’re gonna win again I I’ll worry about that when we have that problem and they went on and W a second consecutive Stanley Cup yep uh we’ll take just one here in Vancouver yeah exactly we don’t need two yeah after you know what after all those years of being downtrodden you get the second round play now you want everything what’s going on close to 94 2011 as well those were really big games on the way in they were I I I think I agree with you Matt I think I agree with you although the rest of the I think the rest of the country cheered more other than British Columbia cheered more for the Oilers this year than the rest of the country cheered for the Canucks in 2011 yes I think yes ERS have the best player on the planet he’s created a bit of a following and the last and he’s from and he’s from Southern Ontario so and the last greatest player to ever live was also in Edmonton spreading the brand around as well so yeah I will concur with that okay hey everybody if you’re enjoying what you’re seeing here then follow along with Saron price on YouTube I promise more content coming they call it the kids call it subscribe on YouTube well how about liking it do that as well smash it right now

Former HNIC executive John Shannon stops by to review the trophy presentations, the TV ratings, and the overall enormity of the Stanley Cup Final. Also, Shannon gives his expectations on the week to come for the Canucks.

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