Sharks Trade Granlund! Right or Wrong Move?
The San Jose Sharks have traded Mikael Granlund and Cody Ceci to the Dallas Stars. Was it the right move?
Spoiler: Sheng and Keegan don’t agree! (2:30)
Speaking of Granlund’s leadership, there are different types of leadership. How does Granlund compare to recently-dealt J.T. Miller in that regard? (22:43)
Are there more moves to come for the San Jose Sharks, could they do something with the Stars’ first-round pick? (25:15)
More on Granlund’s influence on the younger Sharks. (38:30)
Keegan worries about how a San Jose contract with Granlund would’ve aged. (45:30)
How is this different than the Mackenzie Blackwood situation? (1:01:22)
What does the rest of the season look like for San Jose Sharks fans? (1:13:30)
All that, and more on this EMERGENCY San Jose Hockey Now Podcast.
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Yes, you are correct that Granlund was an excellent mentor for the European players in particular. I am hoping this is a boomerang trade in which Granlund plays for Dallas until end of this year, and then resigns with Sharks as a UFA. This would mean Sharks "lent" Granlund to Dallas for the second half of season and then got him right back for a late first round pick in 2025. In the UFA market, Granlund will probably get $6.5 million for 4 years to complete his NHL career. Granlund is smaller but feisty and intense player who never gives up. He has had some injuries slow him down but still good at special teams and overtime or shootout. Keeping Granlund for the sake of team chemistry would have been a risk to Mike Grier's plan which requires stocking up on more prospects. If Texas has lower taxes than California, then that could make Granlund move on.
The sad thing for Sharks fans is that Mike Grier has traded away their best player this year and so the rest of season will get much worse. Even missing Ceci will lead to more goals against, which Sharks did not need. Mike Grier just made Ryan Warsofsky's job as coach 10 times harder as he tries to repair team chemsitry and fill gaps left by the trade. I expect Sharks to trade Georgiev, Kunin and Sturm or at least 3 more players before the deadline. The 2024-25 team was improved but still did not have the right chemistry or mix of players, so the GM has to keep juggling players and trying new combinations. While Sharks are getting better, their competition is getting even better faster and keeping Sharks at the bottom of standings.
In terms of conversion of value then vs now, it's great. But he's played himself out of that valuation completely. Like in your last video about trading for Nemec, I thought signing and trading him with generous retention over the summer would increase his value by even more. I was surprised when Grier said he was the one who determined the price and Dallas matched it. I guess the market isn't as hungry for Granlund as I assumed?
Late-1st round picks are notoriously overvalued by GMs. I'm with Sheng on this one — it's a fine trade and maybe even an overpay for Granlund but I'd rather see him stay on and continue to mentor the kids. His statement makes me feel like he really would have preferred to stay, too.
Couldn’t disagree more w Sheng here.
I love the trade and think it was good value for both teams.
Now if Mike G can turn that Dal 1st, Ferraro, & Kunin/Sturm into Nemec this off-season.. that’d be the cherry on top.
Mike G couldn’t be nailing this rebuild any better. He’s basically flawless so far.
I liked:
Celebrini + Eklund + Toffoli
Granlund + Zetterlund + Smith
A veteran player per line, and both lines were getting chances.
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I feel that the Sharks are probably #32 and the Hawks are probably #31, after today's trade (as in final standings).
That means they have the #1 and #2 seed.
In the draft lottery, it is possible that neither wins 1st or 2nd pick, but that still guarantees at worst #3 and #4.
Personally, given the number of top defense prospects that Chicago already has, I don't see them wanting Schaefer even if they have the first pick.
I could see Chicago wanting one of Misa/Hagens/Martone and trading the #1 pick to one of the teams who has #2-#4.
The Sharks could conceivably give the Hawks a pick to get a player they want anyway and maybe the #20 or a prospect.
For the Sharks, with Dickinson in the system.
I think Schaefer would be a much better choice than the three forwards.
That would likely give them two defense pairings that are very solid.
Personally, if we don't get to select Schaefer, I'd like to select Misa.
I feel Misa/Smith and Celebrini/Eklund is the basis for two solid lines, with a very strong defensive player on each.
But I'd prefer Schaefer to anyone else in this upcoming draft.
In regards to your granlund take. He hasn’t resigned yet. Talks supposedly weren’t much if at all. We’re arguing over hypothetical he may want to stay because he seemed very happy. But with the fact of no contract extension. You’re risking a first for 28 games of leadership. No brainer you trade and look for the easier to obtain leadership player. Maybe you’re happy with Tyler, Alex W, vlassic for now. Plus Joe, patty, nabby, etc off the ice.
Ceci ate some tough minutes.
Kind of side with Sheng
Doesn't look like Logan is coming back. If he does,.. great.
This puts too much pressure on 18 year old Macklin up the middle.
Will they give Eklund some time at C?
Other options are Kunin 🤦🏽.. or Wennberg, who sometimes looks like maybe, yes, he can. Sometimes he looks like a face-off specialist that should be centering a 4th line
Does Will go back to the middle? Does Bords come up?
Couldn't disagree with Sheng more here. I figured we'd get a 2nd for granlund. Pulling a 1st that will probably be a part of another deal? Absolutely. Highly doubt Granlund was staying unless we drastically overpaid him and screw ourselves for the future. 28 more games of leadership doesn't outweigh that pick.
Sheng comes off really obnoxious here. Constantly cutting off Keegan when he disagrees. Sounds like a butthurt fan who claims to not be a fan.
Who else is moving? Kunin? Mario? Rutta? Sturm?
I'm still shaking my head, Grier had a couple seasons to move Barabanov for a 3rd or so and took too long
Looking more unlikely as he keeps rising in rankings but using that first round pick and other picks to trade up for Carter Bear would be fire
Depending on who you listen to about the upcoming draft, there isn't a lot of difference in quality of prospects after the 10th pick. I thought someone said after 15, which I tend to agree with, but again, you're going to have guys in the late first round and the second round that outperform their draft position. This is where your scouts get paid to deliver. I would think that in this draft Grier may keep the Dallas 1st and the early 2nd rounder for more chances to hit on a player, but he could use them in a trade package for a prospect, or use them to move up in the first round if they like someone. He seems to have a pattern of going that route over keeping and picking. My thinking is that he doesn't really have the assets to package to get much of a return. Granlund was pretty much it. Toffoli is about the only other option to provide a good return as part of a package (without dipping into your younger players) but he would have to agree to be moved, which I doubt happens.
I totally agree with Sheng on Granlund. The sharks need him way more than the next team. How many “veterans” are they going to take a swing on over the next 3 yrs just trying to replace what Granlund provides? There is a time cost to this as well that needs to be properly weighted in the decision process (which seems to be lacking). The only other idea is if they needed the 1st round pick as part of a mega package for bringing in someone in the offseason like Marner (although I hope not).
Too many goober online fans get so sucked into “+EV valueeeee and assetssss”. Granlund should have been re-signed. The stars are going back to the WCF which means this is a pick in 28-30 range. THERE ARE NOT ANY IMPACT PROSPECTS IN THAT RANGE! You’re “hoping” to find a 3rd line forward or a solid 5D that can carry a 3rd pair. You can find the same caliber player in the 2nd round. The only “picks” that are significant are top 15 picks.
The only positive to this deal is we don’t have to watch Cody Ceci anymore.
Happy with the trade. Ceci has been garbage and Granlund has been inconsistent this season. Signing Granlund to a long term contract would have kept me up at night, if I was Grier.
Sheng for the love of god, its 24 minutes in of only you talking and you interrupt Keegan 5 seconds into his take
I’m in agreement with Shengs argument. If (a big if) Granny would have been okay with a three year deal, I think the Sharks would have been better off having a competitive “bridge” team around Mack and Will instead of continuing a tear down and hoarding draft picks that are not going to give you immediate (or guaranteed) help. I don’t think Grier should subject the future core to a shitty environment.
granny gave you a leader and competitive line to unload some of the pressure on Mack. He was a leader in PK, PP and EV ice time. Who’s going to fill those minutes? Wenneberg is not a top 2 center man. kunin? Please!
The remaining 30 games are going to be very hard to watch. Even harder on Mack, Will, and the rest.
This is a huge step back for the fans willing to stick around and tolerate watching this team through the rebuild.
SSSSSSSHHHHH (SHarks SHitting for Schaefer)
Do you not think Grier feels the room? I think he understands your argument for keeping Granlund. But I am sure he realizes the upside to the draft pick is greater. And btw, you are arguing, and it's been an hour! Move on!
Love the podcast. Understand where Sheng is coming from, but his arguments seemed fueled by feels and narratives. Granlund did well during his time here, no question, much better than could be expected when the Karlsson trade was made. Good luck to Granlund and Ceci in Dallas.
Ultimately, Grier's guiding light is "what is going to best serve the Shark's rebuild?" In this case, the two main scenarios were 1) Putting resources into keeping Granlund around after this season or 2) Finding a Granlund deal that meets Grier's asking price. And while I think the "MG should have waited and gotten more!" arguments have some merit, in Granlund's case his injury history and the fact that he'll play in the 4 Nations made a deal now more sensible than a deal closer to the deadline.
In any case, Grier armed with an extra first rounder is exciting, because he now has the flexibility to jump on whatever opportunities arise. The Pittsburgh first to get a falling Dickinson, the Vegas first to take Askarov off of Nashville's hands. Neither opportunity were likely at the times Grier acquired the picks, but now Askarov is clearly a huge part of the Sharks' future and hopefully Dickinson develops into a core piece too or is part of a package to acquire one. Building the asset pool to take advantage of opportunities > than keeping Granlund around.
Before listening: I think it’s a good move if the Sharks either use the first on a defenseman that falls, or trade it along with another piece for an established NHL defenseman. We need to improve the team defense now and into the future. Biggest issue
#1: Sheng you need to allow Keegan to talk. over 20 minutes straight where dialogue is 95% sheng 5% keegan. This isn't the Sheng Peng Podcast, we enjoy Keegan's input.
#2: This trade was incredible value for a guy that is 32 on the worst team in the league. This trade doesn't exist in a vacuum. We have the opportunity to use these 28 games to let Thompson and more cuda guys take up lineup spots to see if they belong. We have all the cap space in the world to find scoring veteran wingers to help Macklin, although the moves in the offseason are really going to help Will more than Mack. Another Veteran Center if Cooch doesn't come back is priority. But that 2nd line center is NOT going to be more valuable than another 1st round pick. We are the worst team in the league 2 years in a row, TO HELL WITH VETERAN LEADERSHIP
I disagree with a lot of Sheng’s takes. Finding a true number goalie is not easy. If it was easy the sharks would have cups. Look what we did to secure our goalie of the future. Top 6 forwards are on every team. But not every team has a top goalie. Example Colorado this year, they went out and restocked the whole goalie stable. In all honesty I don’t think GMMG is looking at this year. The rest of the year expect a lot of cuda to get their shots. He will restock in off season. Baby steps. This year we are competitive next year we look to start putting wins together and climbing off the bottom. That being said GMMG said adding young vets. Thoughts on adding Mitch ?
Sheng is very passionate ab keeping grandlund bc of how good he was for the room but bro ALWAYS says he’s not a fan lmfao he sounds a lot like a cranky fan rn Keegan couldn’t even talk
If the Sharks were a Cup contender they could have kept Granlin.
Sharks have been stuck with older player big contract money; Burns, Vlasic, Couture, Karlson, that needs to burn off. Why add another aging player contract?
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