Cardinals Win Arbitration Hearing Versus Brendan Donovan, Lose Versus Lars Nootbaar
February 12, 2025
Sad day for Donny, hopefully this means an extension is in the works. M
22 comments
Sigh, on we march.
Is it really winning or losing? At this point they’ve gone so cheap what’s a couple of hundred K amongst friends?
This org is so cheap. All over 500k. I hope he balls out then leaves their ass.
Cheap on Donovan
lol should’ve been the other way around
Why are people so hell bent on extending Donovan, he’ll already be over 30 when he reaches free agency
Sure let’s go to a hearing with a major leader in the clubhouse, sounds like a great idea
Fucking bullshit. Donovan is worth way more than 3.3 million. He’s the best player on the team.
I’m fairly convinced that this contract conflict that plays out every year is part of the reason the Cardinals are not seen as a place that players want to be. Seems like every year it’s hardball with all the young players and they use every ounce of leverage against players that they want to build around. You can say it’s just business but these guys are human and being told you are worth less by your employer while you are busting your ass to improve is not a recipe for success.
Ever since I learned about the Wrestling style Championship belt that the FOs of MLB award to whoever won the most in arbitration every year, I question their motives. This is what they appear to be competing for. It’s not surprising that our won-loss record is sinking when the goals have shifted internally. Every time they hold that belt the team loses more games.
The same guys that just succeeded in tanking Donny’s value are now encouraging him to work harder to improve their bottom line. His only true motivation now would be to work hard and get out of STL. I mean, it’s not like he is an outlier here. This is SOP for the Cardinals and other players who are now on other teams can confirm their experience as well.
Some of you are warming up your keyboard on how YOU will teach me about the business of baseball. Save it. I will only ignore you.
This saving pennies and losing dollars is just bad business.
Ugh!! When does Mo leave
Players don’t often win these. Surprised Noot did.
Disgusting. I’ve done my best to remain optimistic but this FO is fucking up. They seriously suck
Fighting over 500k lmao. Sell the team
I too wish we didn’t do this shit, but this is not some unique Cardinals issue…
23 players went to arbitration in 2024. Here’s the breakdown of the players with their filed salaries and the team’s filed salaries. Plenty of teams take their players to arbitration over less than $1 million.
José Suarez ($1.35 million), Angels ($925,000)
Taylor Ward ($4.8 million), Angels ($4.3 million)
Adolis García ($6.9 million), Rangers ($5 million)
Harold Ramírez ($4.3 million), Rays ($3.8 million)
Jason Adam ($3.25 million), Rays ($2.7 million)
Jonathan India ($4 million), Reds ($3.2 million)
Casey Mize ($840,000), Tigers ($815,000)
Nick Gordon ($1.25 million), Twins ($900,000)
.500
I guess I don’t see what the point in being cheap over a million or so makes any sense. It just pisses one of your good players off and makes it more unlikely for them to resign when they hit FA. If it was like 10 mil sure but this is just a bad look
Oh so unlikeable, jfc.
Interesting…I like both of those guys but to me Donovan is underrated and Noot is overrated. Brendan can play great defense anywhere and isn’t as injury prone. I like Noot but yeah, injuries and just an outfielder. Still a good player though. So good for him.
this system is in place because the players and MLB owners are really bad at negotiating with each other. They should have agreed to something like the NHL with offer sheets.
This is the process that all teams go through, i dont really get why they make a big deal out of 500k as a major league club, but literally every team and the players have agreed to this process so it is what it is. Its not the Cardinals being cheap, its just the process.
Feels backwards.
Does anybody know what these arbitration hearings actually entail? How do they work?
22 comments
Sigh, on we march.
Is it really winning or losing? At this point they’ve gone so cheap what’s a couple of hundred K amongst friends?
This org is so cheap. All over 500k. I hope he balls out then leaves their ass.
Cheap on Donovan
lol should’ve been the other way around
Why are people so hell bent on extending Donovan, he’ll already be over 30 when he reaches free agency
Sure let’s go to a hearing with a major leader in the clubhouse, sounds like a great idea
Fucking bullshit. Donovan is worth way more than 3.3 million. He’s the best player on the team.
I’m fairly convinced that this contract conflict that plays out every year is part of the reason the Cardinals are not seen as a place that players want to be. Seems like every year it’s hardball with all the young players and they use every ounce of leverage against players that they want to build around. You can say it’s just business but these guys are human and being told you are worth less by your employer while you are busting your ass to improve is not a recipe for success.
Ever since I learned about the Wrestling style Championship belt that the FOs of MLB award to whoever won the most in arbitration every year, I question their motives. This is what they appear to be competing for. It’s not surprising that our won-loss record is sinking when the goals have shifted internally. Every time they hold that belt the team loses more games.
The same guys that just succeeded in tanking Donny’s value are now encouraging him to work harder to improve their bottom line. His only true motivation now would be to work hard and get out of STL. I mean, it’s not like he is an outlier here. This is SOP for the Cardinals and other players who are now on other teams can confirm their experience as well.
Some of you are warming up your keyboard on how YOU will teach me about the business of baseball. Save it. I will only ignore you.
This saving pennies and losing dollars is just bad business.
Ugh!! When does Mo leave
Players don’t often win these. Surprised Noot did.
Disgusting. I’ve done my best to remain optimistic but this FO is fucking up. They seriously suck
Fighting over 500k lmao. Sell the team
I too wish we didn’t do this shit, but this is not some unique Cardinals issue…
23 players went to arbitration in 2024. Here’s the breakdown of the players with their filed salaries and the team’s filed salaries. Plenty of teams take their players to arbitration over less than $1 million.
José Suarez ($1.35 million), Angels ($925,000)
Taylor Ward ($4.8 million), Angels ($4.3 million)
Mauricio Dubón ($3.5 million), Astros ($3 million)
Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ($19.9 million), Blue Jays ($18.05 million)
Tommy Edman ($6.95 million), Cardinals ($6.5 million)
J.D. Davis ($6.9 million), Giants ($6.55 million)
Luis Arraez ($12 million), Marlins ($10.6 million)
Jazz Chisholm Jr. ($2.9 million), Marlins ($2.625 million)
Tanner Scott ($5.7 million), Marlins ($5.15 million)
Phil Bickford ($900,000), Mets ($815,000)
Danny Coulombe ($2.4 million), Orioles ($2.2 million)
Austin Hays ($6.3 million), Orioles ($5.85 million)
Ryan O’Hearn ($3.8 million), Orioles ($3.2 million)
Cionel Pérez ($1.4 million), Orioles ($1.1 million)
Jacob Webb ($1 million), Orioles ($925,000)
Alec Bohm ($4 million), Phillies ($3.4 million)
Adolis García ($6.9 million), Rangers ($5 million)
Harold Ramírez ($4.3 million), Rays ($3.8 million)
Jason Adam ($3.25 million), Rays ($2.7 million)
Jonathan India ($4 million), Reds ($3.2 million)
Casey Mize ($840,000), Tigers ($815,000)
Nick Gordon ($1.25 million), Twins ($900,000)
.500
I guess I don’t see what the point in being cheap over a million or so makes any sense. It just pisses one of your good players off and makes it more unlikely for them to resign when they hit FA. If it was like 10 mil sure but this is just a bad look
Oh so unlikeable, jfc.
Interesting…I like both of those guys but to me Donovan is underrated and Noot is overrated. Brendan can play great defense anywhere and isn’t as injury prone. I like Noot but yeah, injuries and just an outfielder. Still a good player though. So good for him.
this system is in place because the players and MLB owners are really bad at negotiating with each other. They should have agreed to something like the NHL with offer sheets.
This is the process that all teams go through, i dont really get why they make a big deal out of 500k as a major league club, but literally every team and the players have agreed to this process so it is what it is. Its not the Cardinals being cheap, its just the process.
Feels backwards.
Does anybody know what these arbitration hearings actually entail? How do they work?