The Hurricanes are making it look easy

The Hurricanes are making it look easy

Get down. Hi pimps. It is Tuesday, May 13th in the United States and Canada. This is a show called What Chaos presented by Prize Picks. Download the prize picks app today and use code what chaos. Get $50 instantly when you play $5 prize picks. Run your game in boss, Massachusetts. My name is David B and I sit beside Pete Blackburn and over across the room is Sean Depaz. Hey Sean. Hey. Howdy. Hey. I have a surprise. Uh-oh. What’s all this then? For somebody in particular. Uh-oh. This is not from me. It’s from a whatnot. Pete. Oh boy. This is not the way that I expected uh this show to start. Put it in a fashion that does not show up. Turn it. Do not show the [ __ ] Oh, yeah. Yeah. address. Oh boy. I think you’re going to realize quite quickly what it is. Um it is from whatnot. Austin. Austin. It’s a jersey. Wait. Oh, it’s a signed jersey. It is. Oh, an Alex de Brink. No, it’s the Alex de Brink. It’s the Alex de Brinka jersey. Yes. Oh my god. This is unbelievable. I’m so sorry to all audio listeners. Holy [ __ ] I knew you would like this. It’s from Austin. Uh he was watching obviously if you weren’t if you didn’t don’t watch our OT streams during the last series. Pete had discussed getting a Senator’s jersey. He found a misspelled autographed Alex de Brinket jersey on eBay. One of our whatnotss Austin uh went out of his way and he bought it. Oh my god. Sent it to me. is um an absolutely monstrous misspelled Alex Debrinka jersey. Was he number 12? Hold on. Can I see? I I I mean I assume everything here is wrong, but let me see this. There’s like a little certificate of authenticity sticker thing to be like this is a real item. It’s a real and it said Alex de Brinka. It’s the best. He said uh he’s been watching since 1K subs and he loves that we aren’t just a generic hockey show with boring ass interviews where players give regurgitated answers. I appreciate that you I appreciate you guys more than you know. I hope the jersey can make the set one day. Austin buddy Austin this is going to be on the set and then it’s going to be in my house until the day I die. It’s hard to not frame it’s hard to not You have to frame that and put it in your home office. I feel uh yeah probably something like that. I mean, this is this is one of the best gifts I’ve ever gotten in my life. Thank you so much, Austin. You are the best. And also, like, I know how much this cost on eBay and I was like, do I is this worth it? I am so happy. Was it tripledigit dollars? Yes, I believe. I mean, it we since we’ll say it because we it was public. I believe it was 119 or 120. That’s a That’s a good I’m surprised you didn’t pull trigger. I was I was really thinking about that price point. Yeah, I was really thinking about it. So So did I. Yeah, I believe he uh texted he messaged me the next day and he said uh I got something for Pete and then he sent me the this the order confirmation. I was like well he’s going to like this. This makes me so happy. Amazing. I’m so happy about this. What big postseason for Pete. He gifts. Yeah, he needs he just needs some pads and skates and he’s good to go. We got to get him like a full uniform. Like we should Oh man, if we had the Seth Jones gloves. I constantly see like someone selling random hockey shorts from like former NHL players on Facebook Marketplace. Like we got to get a full used outfit. Stick that’s way too big. Jersey that is all wrong. This rule. It’s amazing. Great job, Austin. Hell yeah. I I well I I don’t know why I didn’t tell you because DJ because I’ve known about it for a while but I was like I I want to keep it a complete surprise. I kind of liked it better this way. I had no clue how big it could be. I’m about I’m put it up right now. What size is it? It’s a 54. That’s my size. That’s Sean? Yeah. Also Sean, apologies to you. I did not realized that Kendrick Lamar was last night. Oh yeah. I mean I didn’t actually think I was going to go. I wanted to get you to that show. I know you did. and which I appreciate, but it was a lot. I ended up putting no effort into doing that because I didn’t know that so I honestly didn’t realize it was last night either. I thought it was like firmly in the summer. Same. And honestly, given what happened in game three of that Oilers series, did you really want to go to a concert instead of seeing what went down last night? Yeah, you would have gone to that concert. I would have gone to the concert, but I’m not upset. At least if I didn’t go to the concert, I got some good playoff hockey. All right. I went to see uh I saw Friendship. Oh, you did see Friendship? 824 film. I saw Jason Tatum just lose his Achilles tendon. So, big exciting night for everybody. Yeah. Tough friendship. Quick review. Hardest I’ve laughed in the theater in forever. However, it is so clearly inspired by I Think You Should Leave. And that’s a good thing because like Tim Robinson can be the next ’90s Adam Sandler where it’s just like do that character in a million different movies and we’re going to love it because it’s the best. But I kept waiting for like I think you should leave music and whenever someone who I’ve seen in I think you should leave showed up. I thought it was I think you should leave but it rules. Everyone is going to love it. So check it out. Pete, tell the folks on the show today. Uh I would love to do just that. Uh today on the show we’re going to talk about Rod Brind Snore because the Carolina Hurricanes are pretty boring. Allegedly. Allegedly. Maybe. We’re going to ask the question. Uh we’re also going to talk about the carpet is clean. The carpet is clean. And I don’t know what that’s about. Sean’s got to know. I assume that has something to do with Steuart Skinner’s clean sheet, but I don’t Oh, no. That’s not bad. This is a reference to something Sean said yesterday. The dog shits on the carpet. Yes. Yes. So, kind of. Yeah. The carpet is clean. The carpet is clean because uh you got two dogs. One’s a pure pure bread and the other one is a is a mutton. It shits in the house. The pureb bread did not [ __ ] last night. That’s right. Uh Steve Peters is going to join us later in the show. We’re going to talk about Canes and Oilers with our good friend Pety Holland to the Kings. That could be a uh a Kenh Hall into the Kings reference or it could be uh a reference to like what the 1600s. I saw J Fresh did that. Yeah, the someone responded uh how are they getting there? By field. Great. Very good behavior. And finally, we’ve got another Panther suspension, but this time the recipient might surprise you. This one’s a doozy. This one is a doozy. Uh, shout out Aaron Ecklad that his suspensions are no longer doozies. Yeah, I mean he uh he walked so that uh some of the men upstairs could run. Okay. Well, after yesterday’s show, uh I think everybody’s was waiting to see what was going to happen last night with uh Stu Skinner. We will talk plenty about that. And really, I thought that Chris Knobblock did a bangup job as well. But let’s begin with the team that I feel is having the easiest road to the cup final without anyone really caring. And maybe it’s because, as you hinted, maybe people find them boring based on the fact that they played the New Jersey Devils in the first round. But no team has had an easier time this postseason, I believe, Peter, than the Carolina Hurricanes, who find themselves up three games to one on the topseated Washington Capitals. Yeah, I mean, easiest road so far, depending on who they get next round and what uh the Florida Panthers look like. Could be uh the road could start getting a little shaky, but yeah, I mean, my big my big takeaway with the the uh the Canes right now is that everybody’s calling them boring, but I don’t really know how much of that is their fault because yeah, they’ve played none of their their playoffs has been interesting so far, but I think a lot of that kind of reflects on who they’ve played. Like the Devils were dead. They didn’t have a bottom six. They were so banged up. And now they’re playing a Washington team that like for at least half the series has been kind of trash. Yeah. But I think that they make the games bor I was I was going to say they make the games boring which is what you want to do but they in the first what two minutes of that game last night give up a partial break to protest that he hits the post. Yeah. That puck goes in. Suddenly we’re off to the races and maybe we end up talking about this being a two series anyway. But like is it the hurricane’s fault that that post is hit? Is it the Hurricanes fault that after that they do what they do? They end up taking the two- lead. Shut out our guy Taylor Hall gets what is kind of the dagger in the third period. Although it ends up getting close on that five on three. This is a team that just doesn’t let teams score goals. They have the best goals against in the postseason. Freddy Anderson has been awesome. They have allowed one five on five goal in the last two games. So I ask, is that the Hurricanes being boring or is that the Caps being maybe lowercase Fraud ass pumpkins? Well, I mean, I think it’s a little bit of in column A and a little bit in column B because like that’s how the Hurricanes play. It’s hard to score goals against them when they don’t let you have the puck. and they have spent the entire postseason basically just firing it on net, winning every puck battle, dumping in deep, prying the puck away, and not letting the other team have the puck, which is definitely a credit to the Carolina Hurricanes. So, uh, good for them, but also like Washington hasn’t done a very good job converting on their opportunities. They shot very, very high during the regular season in terms of shooting percentage. that has come back down to earth and it seems like they might be dead in the water because of that. So like I’m I’m not going to say that the Hurricanes are boring because like this is exactly the way that they want to play. Is it the most exciting to watch? Definitely not. I feel though that people early in the season even before they got Raton were buying stocks on this Hurricanes team that was supposed to be in a bridgeish year. And I don’t know if people sold those stocks or what, but they definitely just kind of it’s just like sitting in their portfolio and no one’s really thinking about it. And meanwhile, as we’re all excited by what Ranton is doing in Dallas and by what’s happening again with the Oilers and I don’t know, is anything else particular like the the Leafs and the the Panthers? I think just kind of like ho hurricanes are cruising to the Eastern Conference final and depending on who they play. Like they could they could at the very least hang against either of those teams. Like I don’t know if they’d be favored against Florida, but I think that they could beat either of those two teams. So I just think that I I hate to use the term underrated. I hate to say that we’re sleeping on them, but well, I mean, some people are literally sleeping on them, right? Like, we are taking their games not being particularly exciting and putting it against them when the reality of the situation is this is a team that needed double overtime to lose a game at all in the first round and now they’ve got the best team in the Eastern Conference during the regular season on the mat. Yeah. And I mean, Freddy Anderson looks really really good and that’s a credit to to to Freddy and like if they’re holding the puck against you for 80% of the game and also their goalie is unbelievable. Probably going to have a hard time beating them. But I I want to see them do it against a team that I can like fully respect. And the Capitals have not fully earned my respect during these playoffs. Even during the Montreal series, they kind of made things interesting. Uh when they run into Florida, I’m going to crown Florida already. And when they run into Florida, that is going to be the test. And like the reason that the reason that like people quote unquote sleep on the Hurricanes is they’ve got a little bit of like the regular season fatigue to them where it’s like okay call me when they get over the hump in the playoffs and once again they might be in a position where they run into a very tough opponent that kind of exposes their system in an Eastern Conference final. Okay. So what I took from that very interesting you think and I’m at doing this court style. So you think they haven’t been properly tested yet? Properly tested. Yes. That I think is a commentary on the Capitals. That is kind of an admission or an acknowledgement that they’re a little fraud ass pumpkiny which is fine. Like I loved the Capitals this season. Had an absolute blast with them. They were everything I hoped they would be and more. But by the time the postseason came around, just didn’t feel amazing about them. And I kind of do agree with you that they have not been the greatest challenge for the for the hurry. Like look at the series that right now in the West is 3 to one. Really, Vegas has been the better team in two of those games. Oilers have been the best team in two of those games. In this series, there hasn’t been much of the series where I’m like, Washington’s got that ass. No, definitely not. Game two was the only game where like you were like, “Okay, wow, great effort from Washington.” Game one basically a no-show. And then in the two games, game three not close. The two games, well, game three, they kind of followed the same script as game four, which is they came out strong, they didn’t really get anything to show for it, and then they kind of packed it in, or they either packed it in or they just got worn down by the Hurricanes, which the Hurricanes can definitely do that to you. But either way, you didn’t get a strong 60-minute effort and by the end of the game, you were like, “All right, enough of this [ __ ] Obviously, Carolina’s the better team here.” The thing that you’re on the watch on the lookout for with the Hurricanes, not a lot of adversity this postseason. No, not not really punched in the mouth. Not how are they going to respond to blank? I mean, there was the five minutes when they didn’t have Freddy Anderson, but other than that, how are they going to react when they have their first lose two games in a row, something like that? It has been really easy for him. And now that I’ve kind of like externalized it, I feel like maybe I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that we’re all kind of sick of the Hurricanes. By by the end of like every game the Hurricanes play, you’re ready for it to be over because you’ve already found out that that’s the better team. That’s kind of the way that this entire postseason has gone, which like I like that should not be a derogatory statement against the Hurricanes, but it’s just not interesting to watch by like when you’re in the third period, you’re like, “All right, this game’s [ __ ] over.” If you want to watch games, I say you go to them. Vivid seats. That’s how I’m getting there. Best time to be in the arena is now. Best way to get the tickets. Vivid Seats. I’m talking about for any live event. They got the best selection of games and seats. And every purchase is backed by their 100% buyer guarantee. Plus, Vivid Seats is the only ticket marketplace that rewards you for every purchase. So, download the Vivid Seats app and start earning rewards towards free tickets. New Vivid Seats users who use promo code chaos30 will receive $30 off their first purchase of $300 or more. Once again, click the link in the show notes. 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And oh my god, Connor Halabuk, that stinks for you. But we spent You talking active goalies or uh all goalies this postseason all goalies who have played like more than 15 seconds. Connor Halabuk has the worst save percentage. Not great. And Skinner was there and he understood why he was there because usually when the team shot the puck, not usually, let’s be fair, but very frequently when a team shot the puck against him, it went in. And we talked yesterday about can the Oilers win with Steuart Skinner? And I was just hoping, I was just praying he could look something like what he looked like last year. And I told you all about how he struggled the beginning of the postseason last year, got sat down, came back, and then was off to the races, was great down the stretch, and uh nearly won the Stanley Cup. I said, just give me twothirds of what we saw down the stretch last year. And now, folks, this is the Steuart Skinner experience. Did you bet the over on Golden Knights goals again yesterday? I did not. That’s no puck. Yeah, I did not bet the I did not really touch anything. Didn’t touch anything. I thought the Leon Dryaddle was going to go off because I saw that he was basically put on a fourth line and I was confused by that and I was like, “Okay, whatever. Hockeyy’s weird.” But big takeaway as the Oilers take a 3-1 series lead on the Golden Knights in a series that really could be two to2. Now it’s 3-1. I mean, and they do it with a Steu Skinner shutout. It could also be four nothing. This series could be over. No, I thought everything that happened at the end of game three was just and that was just normal hockey and that’s just going to happen from time to time. I mean, this was the perfect perfect example of how quickly things can change in the postseason because yesterday afternoon felt like we had the energy of like the Oilers might be [ __ ] dead here. They might be toast and then like 10 hours later they have the perfect bounceback game in which you say I’ve seen all I needed to see to have faith in this team again. Edmonton Oilers, you’re headed for a Stanley Cup final. You know what I realized, Peter? And I’m going to try to be as Merrickque as I can be here and I’ll do a bad job. But we often ask the question, what do the Oilers need goalending wise? What kind of goalending do they need? Do they need 900 goalending? Do they need 890 goalending? Do they need good? Do they need great? Do they need average? Do they need above average? Can they even get by with bad? And I realized what the answer was last night. The goalending that the Oilers need, the answer to that question is great for all we know. For all we know is the most important thing, which is that I’m not totally positive because he didn’t he wasn’t really under siege. He needed to make like three big saves and he made them. And then he need to make like four normal saves and he made those. And I know I’ve only given you seven plays on which the goalender mattered, but let’s keep that number right around seven. And if we go seven for seven, you got a stew going, right? Yeah. I mean, like the best thing that you could hope for is an incomplete grade in net for the Edmonton Oilers. Yes. Exactly. Not totally knowing how good Stew was, but I wanted that out of Calvin Pickard. It’s pass fail. Pass fail. And it’s even better when the team in front of him uh allows that to be a question for 60 minutes versus 30 to 40 minutes because so often they’ve let goending have an impact on games and they say, “All right, let’s make sure that he doesn’t have to make saves for the second half of this game and we will come back and win.” And when they do it for 60 minutes, you’re like, “Damn, nobody’s beating those guys.” Okay. So, was last night a nobody’s beaten those guys game for the Oilers? Yes, but in the context of like what you didn’t get from the Oilers in last night’s game, which was like a dryidal McDavid game. Like, you won without your best thing showing up and your worst thing showing up. Can I give you a take on that? Go ahead. I do my three stars after the games. I feel that I owe Leon Dryidle an apology because I thought that that was Leon Dryidle’s best game of the series. His job and here’s where I say Chris Knoblock might be back. Leon Dryidle was given Vasili Pod Coulson and welcome back to the lineup slashthen NHLmy I’d forgotten you existed respectfully but also derogatorily because I shouldn’t be thinking about Kasper Kaan. Those were his linemates. Vasili Pod Coulson and Casper Kain. That line played against the Jack Eel and Mark Stone line the entire night and [ __ ] inhaled them. They killed Mark Stone and Jack Eel. Casper Kaan was uh I don’t even know a missile. Uh like just flying around destroying guys. And this is the benefit I guess of having McDavid and Dryidle that if you split them up, which I usually want to do, you can make one of them a [ __ ] checking line for some reason. But I’ll tell you what, I don’t know if people are going to react to it the way they usually do in the postseason, but if Leon Dryidle wants to have his uh Selky talk in the future, more games like that, people are going to be like, “Oh, well actually, you know, Leon Dryle is actually just a very good and he’s going to end up getting Selki votes.” Didn’t score a goal last night. That’s fine. I’m gonna get to that in a second. But I thought that that was like that might have been my biggest non Stew Skinner takeaway other than Aiden Hill possibly trying methamphetamine before the game. I mean, yeah, it’s it’s a good point and uh like that is the like what you need from Leon if he’s not going to be like scoring Leon and the driving Leon that you’ve come to to expect. But also like they still won a game without their strongest asset showing up, which is two guys that can just completely take over a game. You won on the back of Adam Henrique offensively. You won on the back of Evander Kane offensively and your worst your worst asset which is your defense and your goalending looked totally fine. Yeah, totally fine. Defense I would say was great. Uh goalending was rock solid and that’s all you need. Can I trouble you for like a minute on Evander Kane? I just want your thoughts on Evander Kane because mine were definitely I’m not expecting much and I’m worried that at some point they’re going to think, “Oh, it’s okay. Evander Kane will solve all this and he won’t.” Yeah. Yeah, I mean that was kind of the energy that I had heading into the playoffs with both him and Trent Frederick where it was like, you don’t know what these guys are. Why are you falling back on, well, we’re going to get these guys back and they’re going to change the identity of our team and give us the element that we need in terms of playoff hockey. I had no idea what to expect for Evander Kane. And I feel like anybody who says that they did have an idea or did have confidence is either wrong or stupid. Like that guy is coming off of two at least two, right? like major major surgeries. The first surgery fixed like a bunch of different things. Second surgery was a knee surgery. You hadn’t seen him in a year. It’s playoff hockey. You’re talking about Chris Knoblock who all season long was just constantly throwing his lines in a blender. And so like whether a Vander Kane hit with a couple of guys, he probably wouldn’t be playing with those guys the next night anyway. So not knowing what to expect from him, I think was completely fair. But he has been great in both these series so far. Okay, I’m gonna do a little trivia for you. Most teams this postseason, most of the playoff teams remaining, of which there are eight, have either four or five players who have scored three goals this postseason. Okay, got it. So mo so you take the average team, it’s got four guys who have scored three or it’s got five guys who have got uh scored three. Only two teams have a different number than four or five three-goal scorers. How many players on the Edmonton Oilers have scored three goals this postseason? Seven. I was going to say eight. You would both be underestimating. The answer is Julian Moravo. Nine. Nine. Nine players have scored three goals for the Oilers who have played 10 games this postseason. That is a crazy stat. Cory Perry has five. Leon Dryidle has fine. Five. Evander Kane has four. Connor Brown of course has four. What’s that? Goat. Go. Evan Buchard has four. Adam Henrique of course has three. Zack Heyman has three. Ryan Nan Hopkins has three. There’s one more guy at the bottom of that list, which is Oh, yes. Conor McDavid has three. Boys, it’s one thing to be the best offensive team this postseason, which I think we all thought the Oilers would have to be if we were still going to be talking about them on Tuesday, May 13th in the United States and Canada. But for it to be happening thanks to Evander Kaine and Connor Brown who respectfully or in fairness we probably should have expected this from Connor Brown. But Adam Henrik was not having a good year. Ryan Nan Hopkins even until late in the season was not having a good year. This is balanced, boys. And if the defense is going to play the way it was last night, and if Stu Skinner is going to play the way it play he played last night, which again he was great for all we know, then you got great things coming. Uh Sean, you guessed seven. The Panthers have seven. Ah, Florida, uh, Dallas has four, Winnipeg has four, Toronto has four. Uh, I’m sorry, Winnipeg has five, Washington has five, Carolina has five, Vegas has five. So, it’s great things that you’re seeing. Uh, last uh thing I wanted to note there. Here’s my little theory on Stu last night. He gets better over the course of series, right? We know this about him. He’s usually historically, yeah, he’s usually starting. Did you Did you see the stat after the game that he’s the greatest uh like historically he’s the best game four goalender ever? Congrats. Yeah, it was like it No, like they had like goals against, save percentage and everything like all time like the best game four goalie ever, which I love the idea of being Mr. game four. Got to acquire that guy to to secure your game four because part of why he’s so good in game four is cuz he was about to get [ __ ] swept in the Stanley Cup final last year. So he had about to get fired, right? Yeah. He was about to lose his job. So, we had a kind of job-saving performance and then anyway, he gets better over these uh over the course of these series. Didn’t in series one. Uh what do you mean? He did not get better over the course of series one. He didn’t play in uh over the course. Exactly. Right. So, that’s what I’m saying. He gets pulled after two games. So, we don’t get to see him get better. They put him in game three this series and he says, “I see what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to skip the beginning of the series. Game three is still kind of halfway through the series. So, I’m going to get all the [ __ ] out. I’m I’m going to uh retroactively kind of I got to make up for lost time. Make up for lost time. Load all the bad [ __ ] into there. So, he has whatever an 833 save percentage in that game. Then turn the page to game four. How about a clean 1,00? But last year before being shut down, 877 save percentage in eight games. after returning 914 in 15 games. This year before being shut down 810 in two games after returning granted small sample size 915 in two games. Proof is in the pudding. Stu Skinner is back. Championship. Let’s bring on Steve Peters from inside the coaches room. The longtime video coach of the Arizona Coyotes and really just the media darling of the 2025 NHL postseason. How are you my friend? Yeah, I’m doing really well and I’m enjoying the show as always. I I kind of forgot I was coming on to talk. So, you guys distracted me with all the excitement and chaos and and and and I’m glad to be here. Thanks. I call them I call them Stevie [ __ ] strands. Yeah, you do have [ __ ] strands going. Do you know this? I know. I do. I I apologize. I’m 57 years old, reliving my youth, and it’s kind of getting a little bit out of control. So, it is what it is until playoffs are over. This is it. This is it. Do I shame? No, they they look very good. Okay. Uh you said last time you were on I believe that at some point Calvin Pickard needed to leave the crease. Stoop Skinner needed to take over and that is how the Oilers would win this series. Uh the work has been shown in maybe a kind of hectic way, but you’ve gotten the right answer so far. How do you feel after seeing it be injury that forces Stu Skinner to come in and what he has been in these two games? Honestly, and this is going to sound terrible to to to Pickard fans. This is exactly what the Edmonton Oilers needed. A and you couldn’t replace Pickard. And and I know that sounds terrible, but you couldn’t replace Pickard while he’s still winning. You can’t. You’re unable to replace him. And I said this before, Skinner’s got the swagger. Squ Skinner’s been there. He’s played in this cup finals. If you are going to get there, you can’t get there on a guy that’s perennially under 900 in his save percentage. I know Pickard was the darling. I know guys love him. He is a fantastic teammate. And he was here in Arizona. He is a wonderful human being. He is great. And I hate to to say anything negative about him, but if you’re going to get there, and I mean get there to the Stanley Cup finals and have an opportunity to win the Stanley Cup finals, it’s got to be under under a big monster like Stuart Stewart Skinner. And I don’t think you were going to replace him otherwise without the injury. And Skinner was great. And you brought up the numbers and I know he didn’t have a lot of work last night, but but you can say that first period where he ends up making three pretty big saves. The Barbers Chev won in the first five minutes, that can change the complexion of this game. And all you’ve ever asked from from Stu Skin as an Edmonton Oiler fan is stop the shots you’re supposed to shot. That’s it. Stop the stop the ones you’re supposed to save and you’re gonna be okay. Just be good. And and I think the Oilers are scoring at a at a horrific rate right now. Like they’re four goals a game. Like you just need St. Skinner to be okay. And guess why? He was better than okay. I think this is a fantastic sign for the Edmonton Oilers going forward in this playoffs. Do you think that uh this series is secure? We’ll say, I mean, you never know. Like the one thing about the Vegas Golden Knights, I I don’t think they have looked like the Vegas Golden Knights yet that you saw in the regular season. I I I think this team has struggled to generate offense. I don’t think they’ve had the ability to to get stops on the forche. I don’t think they’ve had the the power play looks. This is a team that was top three in the power play in the National Hockey League this year. And mostly because of Eel. Michael’s struggling. I mean, he’s got no goals in in this series. And he has got to be the guy that drives this offense. I don’t think you’ve seen the best of the Vegas Golden Knights yet, but yeah, I I do think this is too late for them. I I I’m I’m I think Edmonton, you can’t punch their ticket yet because you never know. Um but they’re looking they’re looking like the much better team in the series. And I say this coming into game one, again, I always look at paper and video. That’s what I do when I said coming into game one, I thought Vegas looked like they were going to be the better team coming into this. I don’t think Edmonton looked like they’re looking now. This Edmonton Oiler team right now isn’t the McDavid dry settle team anymore. And and by saying that, I mean, they’re still great players and doing great things, but it’s not just them. And this team is deeper than they’ve ever been. They’re more physical than they’ve ever been. They’re getting under the skin of their opponents more than they normally do. They are doing very unedmon oiler-l like things. And I think that’s a good sign as you’re trying to limit this down from eight teams down to four. I also think like, tell me if you think I’m I’m right here. I feel like we haven’t seen the Oilers at their best yet. Like they’ve got here in a very very rocky fashion with a lot of instability and things have constantly been twisting and turning. I don’t think they’ve looked their best to this point. Yeah, for sure. And go to last night’s game is a perfect example. Edmonton Oilers beat Vegas 3 nothing and shut them out. And it wasn’t because of their high tempo speed game between the blue lines. They were advancing puck through zones and they were flying and getting these these rush chances off of Inan Hill on oddman rushes. That’s not how they won. This team defended better. The shots are 15 to five in the first period. They held the Vegas Golden Knights to five shots in a first period where Vegas needs to win. That’s impressive. And they they defended better as a group of five than this Evans Oiler team has done in an incredibly long time where you felt like, oh my gosh, like they they are not allowing Vegas to get to the blue paint. They’re they’re uh they’re they’re defending through the blue lines. They didn’t give Vegas rush opportunities. Like this defensive style of the Edmonton Oilers is what won the game. It wasn’t the back of the speedy McDavid and D settle blowing it by the goalender. It wasn’t the way they normally win. They won some way differently. And I again, if a team can win, I I think you need to defend to win. I do. And Edmonton’s usually we can win 5’4, 65, 6’4, and we’ll be fine. This is a game they went three nothing. And not just because their goalender was was elite and they and they stole it because of the goalender being outstanding. They defended extremely well. They didn’t allow Vegas to get to the inside. They didn’t allow them to get to the blue paint. This was a great defensive job by the Emily. And again, that’s something they normally don’t do. So, it checks a box that should push them through to the next round. How did you feel when you saw that they were taking Arvdson out and it’s Kenan going in instead of Jeff Skinner? I understood on the back end putting Stetcher in for Emerson because they were talking about wanting to be faster and I love Emerson, but he’s just the slowest guy in the world. It’s adorable. Uh I hated the idea of taking someone out and not putting Jeff Skinner in, but the impact it had was immense. Yeah. You talk about, and I’ve I’ve always said this about coaching, it’s the decisions you make in playoffs that make you a better coach. It’s games 1 through 82. you’re a cheerleader and you rely on injuries in three games and four nights and so many things play into it. But when game 83 starts, that’s when you become a coach. And these player decisions worked out phenomenally. I guess you never know until you do it. I really like Troy Ster. I think he’s a guy that can that can use his feet to evade. He’s not a big guy, but he can use his feet to get out of trouble and he moves the puck quickly and it helps them get out of their zone. I think that was a good move, but up front and and not just the addition of Kaan who who I thought brought something to the game that none of us expected clearly, but but I think the separation of the lines and what he did at the morning skate and kind of playing a little bit of possum on, hey, what are we really going to do here? I think that’s a little bit of gamesmanship and I think that Vegas is going, “Yeah, they’re not doing anything. They’re not they’re just they’re not doing that. They’re not doing that for real.” But they did. and and it wasn’t just split him at McDavid dry settle, which I again I think they need to do a as much as they can during the playoffs. I think you can stack those guys up when you need to in the third period, but I don’t think you can do it consistently for a 60-minute game. But what the bottom six did for this game changed the complexion of the game. That that third line with Henry Kane and Brown were phenomenal. And not just because they scored, but because they did the little things right. They they spent more time in the offensive zone. They were more physical. They were tougher along the wall. And if you don’t think they got under the skin of goalender Aiden Hill, buddy, I don’t know if I’ve ever seen Hill act like that. Like that was from the drop of the puck. And and and here’s the thing. I I don’t know if Aiden Hill can play like that. I don’t know if that boosts him up to, hey, I’m And some goalies do get play better when they’re when they’re pushed and they’re backed against the wall and they’re they’re playing a little bit with that edge. Some goalies can play that way. I don’t think Aiden Hill is that guy. I I think he’s better when he’s calmer and staying inside the blue paint and keeping everything within him. And I I don’t think that was his best performance. I mean, he made some big saves. You did, but I think what the Aventilers do by splitting up this line is now you’ve got a four-line attack and legit four-line attack that plays a little bit different styles, more than what you’re accustomed to seeing with Edmonton. It’s a oneline team. We’re throwing out 29 and 97 and we’re going to beat you 5-4. And they didn’t. They split everybody up. They defended well in the bottom six, but they also generated offense from the bottom six. This, again, I keep saying this, the Oilers fans should be excited. This is a deep team that’s not relying on two players that’s getting scoring for secondary scoring. And they’re the bigger agitator and the more physical team right now against the Vegas Golden Knights. And I didn’t expect to see that. Yeah. I mean, the Aiden Hill thing was kind of wild to me. It was he seems like the guy who kind of laughs and chuckles in between whistles and he was out for blood last night. We were texting about it because yesterday we made the comparison of St. Skinner plays like Tim Thomas, which is not always a good thing. Like there’s one Tim Thomas for a reason, but Skinner plays like Tim Thomas and Aiden Hill last night was Tim Thomas without the performance. He was just losing his mind anytime anybody got anywhere near him. That second Henrik goal ruled where Evander Kane is cross-checked into him. He gives up a goal, doesn’t give a [ __ ] about the fact that he gave up a goal and is like, I’m going to kill this guy. Sweet, man. Uh I did want to shift gears. Everybody’s decided that the Carolina Hurricanes are boring and not worth the the time this postseason. Do you think the Hurricanes are boring? Yeah, I I I really do. And I hate to say that, too, but here’s the truth with the with the Carolina Hurricanes. This is the way the Carolina current Hurricanes have to play to win. They have to defend extremely well, which they have done. They their defending in this series is elite and and five on five and on the penalty kill. They smother teams and they don’t allow their opponents to get offensive opportunities. People watching on TV want to see offense. They want to see the best players getting offensive opportunities on both sides of the ice. It makes the game more fun that it’s the elite players in in the Vegas Edmonton series that you want to see perform well. The problem with Carolina is they shut down the top players of the the opponent. And I know you’ve said the series they’ve had in in in New Jersey and Washington, they hey, they weren’t glamorous series to begin with. that vehic didn’t have their top offensive players in that series and Washington’s top offensive player, Alex Ovetkin, isn’t getting as much ice time because he doesn’t defend as well and you can only use him in situations where you’re looking for offense. Having said all of those things, they defend well, which is boring because they just they don’t allow the opponents to get offensive opportunities either on the rush or five on five. But on the flip side of that, they don’t have that guy. They don’t have they don’t have the McDavid. They don’t have the guys that are going to be glamorous on the offensive side of the puck either. They don’t have those guys that, you know, Reinhardt, they’re going to make the flashy goal. Sebastian and Sebastoff really good players, but they’re not dynamic offensively. And so when you put a team that’s incredibly good defensively with a team that spreads out their offense and isn’t incredibly dynamic offensively, it it it it’s going to bring you a boring brand of hockey. But to the coach’s credit, that’s the way they have to play. That’s the that’s the hand he’s been dealt in the players that he has. So that’s the style you’re going to get with the Carolina Hurricanes. Even if they did have those kind of guys, I don’t know if they’d be put in that position to like showcase flash just based off of they funnel everything to the net no matter where they are in the offensive zone and they hope that it turns into an ugly goal when a lot of the times it does, but like that’s just how they play. I guess my question off of that would be with the way things have gone in this series, are you more impressed by Carolina or are you more disappointed in Washington? I I thought Washington was going to be better and I thought that one of the things Washington Capitals had throughout this regular season was the ability to spread their scoring. Dylan Strowman had a great season. Prous gets 30 goals and he’s back in the lineup and I thought they were going to find the secondary scoring with Tom Wilson. And Tom Wilson, by the way, has been the MVP for the Washington Capitals in this playoffs both physically and offensively. And I thought they were going to do it with Conor Mcichel. And I thought they were going to have enough speed that they were going to be able to have secondary scoring and generate against Carolina. And they just can’t. And I that’s scary if you’re if you’re going to have to play Carolina further on in this playoffs because their ability to to to defend against some some guys that can play and guys that can put up those kind of numbers. So yeah, I was expecting more out of the Washington Capitals. This is Carolina. This is what they do. This is what they did. Games 1 through82. They’re going to do it games 83. They’re not changing. This is their style. If they are going to win and continue on in this playoffs, it’s going to be by smothering teams in all three zones. The problem is that they are so quick on pucks. They use their feet and they’re so aggressive in all three zones. That’s hard to do. And it’s hard to do day after day in these competitive playoffs where you’re getting into ramping up and the next round is going to get more physical if they play Florida specifically. And it’s hard. It’s hard to be quicker on pucks with teams that are playing the exact same way. So, this series is this Eastern Conference is long way from being over. I I do think Carolina puts Washington behind them and off to the next round in the Eastern Conference. You mentioned Florida. There’s a three-game series going on between them and the Leafs. And it’s tough to call it a three-game series when you know that game seven like the Leafs aren’t going to win a game seven. We I think we just all know that. So I feel like now is their up. Like they just got to win these next two. I mean this series doesn’t even feel tied though. Like I feel disres I feel like I’m being disrespectful by saying that. Florida showed up in game four to a degree that makes me feel like they are firmly in the driver’s seat in what is a tied series. I know that Eel said the other day that like momentum isn’t a thing. Maybe it’s not or maybe it’s a case by case basis thing, but momentum is a [ __ ] thing because Florida’s going to win that series based on what’s happened the last two games. Do you agree? Without a doubt. And I’m going to tell you something about momentum because I and I know I worked for Arizona. They didn’t hoist the cup. I got it. But we definitely played in playoff games and I was there with the team in playoff hotels. Dude, it makes a huge difference if you win a game. And as that momentum carries on for the next 48 hours, it’s huge. Changes your preparation. It changes the way you feel mentally and it changes the way you approach the next game. Without a doubt, momentum exists. To say it doesn’t, come on. Really? Look at this playoffs. Look at this playoffs with the Florida Panthers right now. That Florida Panther team, they they get through in game three. And I thought they were okay. I I thought there were glimpses of what you wanted to see Florida do. Defenseman pinching hard on the forward check, starting to clog up the neutral zone a little bit better. But game four, that was the Florida Panthers. And that was the first time the Florida Panthers showed up in this series. They were all over Tampa Bay in the first series of this playoffs, playing like that every single day. The Toronto Maple Leap saw the real Florida Camp Panthers in game four. That that was the first time they showed up and go, “Okay, this is it. We’re we’re ready to start rolling.” If they continue that, they’re unstoppable. And I said that from game one against Tampa Bay. if they play like that all the time because what we said about Carolina and smothering and defending and being tough in the neutral zone and good sticks on the penalty kill. Florida does that but Florida has the offensive dynamics to get to the front of the net to get to the little paint that can bring the offense as well. So they’re Carolina but better. So I I do think Toronto’s in trouble and and and they’re starting to be drugged into the muddy game and the physical game and the penalties after the whistle game that plays better for Florida and not Toronto. So, as this series goes on, right now, this is a huge momentum shift as the Florida Panthers roll into game five. Enormous swing game tonight in Dallas. Must win absolutely for the Jets. But do does this series, even at two to one, feel like it’s so firmly in Dallas’s grasp that you can’t see Winnipeg coming out of it? This is this series is different because when you watch the Dallas Stars against Colorado Avalanche, I I still say this. I think Colorado was the best team in the west coming into the playoffs and I still hold to that as they’re golfing right now. The Dallas Stars had one player that carried them through that first series and it was Miko Ratnon. This team continually gets better. I I think that Jason Robertson still hasn’t shown up in this series. He’s got no goals yet and he’s still fighting off some of you know the the the injury that he had late in the season. I don’t think he’s been at his best, but I think he’ll get better. The big factor in this series is can they get Mariel Heiskin back and I think they do. And it doesn’t mean just for this series, it means what happens next. I think Dallas is the better team right now. I I still think the Winnipeg Jets right now have to find a way to defend and it’s been a problem and I know a lot of fingers get pointed a hell of a book, but this team isn’t defending like they did 1 through82 and they’re not rolling their lines like they did through 882. They’re not generating that offense getting to the net. And you look at their stars. Kyle Connor just and I love Kyle Connor. I I really do. I think he’s a great player, but I’m just not convinced he’s a playoff player. Mark Shifley is. Mark Shley’s got that grind. He can win those battles along the wall. He can get that hard. I I I think that the Winnipeg Jets right now are overmatched against a Dallas Stars team that is looking extremely well and their goalender right now is rolling and and so I think the Dallas Stars have the upper hand in this, but we’ve seen the momentum. We talked about momentum. We’ve seen it change and and Winnipeg can win games. I still think Dallas gets through this series and is playing in the Western Finals. Where do you stand on Hellbuck right now? Like has he answered some of the questions carried over from the first round or does he still have a little bit more to answer for? He’s he was we’re talking about him for a con smite. We’re talking about him heart trophy MVP of the regular season. He hasn’t played like that in the last period and he has been better in the second round without a doubt. I think the first round winning that first round I think the weight was lifted and I think he’s been better in the second round. I think he looks more like himself but he’s got to steal a game and he’s going to have to get in there. He’s got to win the next game and he has to do and it’s got to be not Winnipeg wins the game and Hellbuck was shaky. Hlebuk stole that game. that that’s what I think the Winnipeg Jets need. If he can do that, if he can steal the next game on his shoulders, on his back, and he was the guy, now there’s a different sense of belief in the locker room of the Winnipeg Jets. Now, there’s a belief that, oh, Hellbuck’s back. That’s the guy we need. And and I do think then it starts to put doubt in the mind of the Dallas Stars. He has to win the game. Not Winnipeg. Helabuk has to win the game. He’s been better, but he hasn’t been the guy that that earned a heart trophy and and a Vzna trophy nominee through the regular season. Last one. What’s your favorite city between Philadelphia, Boston, and Seattle? I don’t What in the hell is he doing? Like, first of all, that was just about you. What’s your What’s What’s your What’s your favorite city? But I thought we were talking about Ricky talk. I thought about Rick Talk and see if I was going along for a new job. But geography talk. Uh Oh, you’re going to go along with Rick Talk for a new job. I’ll change that. Philly, Boston, and Seattle. Those are my cities. Yeah. Is that what it was? Yeah. I I I I’ll take Philadelphia. I like Philly. You think Rick Tocket will because they were saying he might go there. You know, it’s funny. I think the thing with Rick Tocket, the unrelated thing with Rick Tocket and and it’s funny because he was the guy for the Seattle job the first time around and and and I I tell you because I went through the process with him. I was there helping him with his coaching packet as he went into the Seattle interviews and I was there with him and and and he really thought he was going to get that job and you didn’t hear about Dave Hackel and Dave Hackel comes in and gets that job at the last minute. I I know he wanted to coach that team at that time. But you look at all the teams that are talking about Rick Talk. It’s Pittsburgh. It’s Boston. It was Anaheim for for a quick second. He he can go wherever he wants to. If I’m advising Rick Tocket and and this is just me, go to Atlanta. Go to Atlanta. Get on TNT. Work one day a week. Cash the check and go. But the problem with these guys, they just want to coach. I don’t know what’s wrong with them. They’re they’re insane. Yeah. And Dave go buddy. The smartest move in in hockey. 20 more years of Denver. He’s going to rake it in. Brilliant. Um Rick Tocket, I don’t know. The one thing about Rick Talk, he wants to win. Rick Tucket wants to win. And I’m not sure if any of these team No, I am sure they’re not ready to win. None of them. None of them. And who’s the closest? I I still think Philly and Danny Breier. I think that team is closest to winning, but that’s still years away. Unfortunately for you guys, I know a big Boston supporters. I think Boston’s a mess. I I I don’t think they have any way out of this in the next year or two. And you saw the press conference there. That’s a mess. I don’t know if I want to jump in both feet with the Boston Bruins right now and and I feel similarly about Seattle. So, if I’m Rick Tocket, which I’m not, and I I think the Philadelphia Flyers is the place to go, you would be a god if you could get that team into the playoffs. Boston Bruins great, though. Yeah, it’s weird. We didn’t hear much about Anaheim with Talk because he would have been a good I think that ultimately that’s the best team is a better hire than Talket would have been, but we’ll see. He hasn’t coached in years. We’ll see that the players players evolve. Players evolve. Players today are not like players three years ago, players four years ago, players 10 years ago. They’re different. You can’t push the same buttons you pushed on Kane and Taves that you can with Troy Terry and Trevor Zris. You can’t. It doesn’t work the same. They’re not the same players. They don’t want to see the same things. It’s a different era of player right now. So, saying Quinnville is the right fit there, I think, is to be told. I think Quinnville is going to have to change. I don’t think he can be he can be a growly, grumpy guy. I I don’t think he can be that in Anaheim. I think he’s and it maybe maybe he won’t be maybe sitting out took a took a step back from the game and maybe he can be that that positive influence and bring the hey rah rah stuff and I think he’s going to have to in Anaheim things have evolved. That is the best job that was the best job out there was the Anaheim job. I think they they gained 20 points. They’re going the right direction and they have the better young players. I also think that there’s a certain element of like okay certain players don’t want to be coached that way. Well then they need to grow up and learn to be coached that way. That’s how you win in this league. Yeah, things change. the game evolves, but you can’t be like the childish kid in the locker room for your entire career and expect things to change when you’re trying to shift as a team and shift your identity. And that’s I feel like that’s what the Ducks need. And we’ll see if he brings it. But like I I just don’t I don’t subscribe to like, you know, if if if they’re not the right team for the coach, maybe the players need to change. Yep. And that’s fair. And I think you see that with a lot of these coaches right now. like you don’t I I’ve heard somebody say John Tor Tortoella Chicago. Are you in your mind? John Tordella would lose his marbles going to coach that team right now knowing you have no chance to win. So I I do believe there is some coach fit for a for a team. But I do think Quinnville is going to make this team better. I I wasn’t in love with Greg Cronin and the stories you hear from inside the room and what’s going on with that organization. I think Quinnville will be better and I think this team is going to be close to on the verge of a playoff spot next season. Pety, you’re the best. And I hate that you gave such further evidence of that as a result of what went down at the end of game three. But when that mess of [ __ ] unfolded, I thought of you after I had my next thought, which was I looked at the wall for a [ __ ] hour and then thought about like, what does it feel like when you’re dead? Like I was doing all that sort of stuff. And then I thought Pety’s breakdown of this is going to be so [ __ ] good and it’s going to answer a lot of questions I have. and you did it. It was like 9 minutes long and like this is why among many other reasons why you are so valuable to hockey and why everyone is tripping over themselves to have you on their show. If folks did not see it, we did a little condensed version of it just with some stills, but when there’s a big thing that happens on the ice in hockey, Petey is the the the person who makes it make sense. Can I ask Can I ask this? Like after game three, that finish, was it the most daunting project that you had in front of you or was it so easy at the opposite end of the spectrum because it was all written out there for you? It It’s hard. It’s interesting because you see it, you want to see it objectively first. I want to say that cuz I’ve been harassed a lot online of that. I’m all Everybody thinks I’m Canadian. Buddy, I don’t but I’m not, by the way. I’m an American. Everybody thinks I’m Canadian. Buddy. Then the next word was buddy. I mean, he is the allegations. Minnesotan, it’s pretty close to the football people get, but you don’t know. And and and what’s funny in all these goals, nobody has the time to do this. You can’t do this on TRT and ESPN. You don’t have you don’t have five minutes to break down one goal. You don’t have time. But it but it just kind of presents itself. You start at the goal and you work backwards and you work back to the most significant play in this game. And for the Edmonton Oilers, I I the one thing about this goal specifically at the end of the game three at the one second in there was two things I I heard was Dry Saddle knocking in and Skinner sucked. Those were the two things. But when you back this play up, it wasn’t those two guys. It wasn’t Well, it was Dry Saddle, but it wasn’t there. Dry’s coming on the ice with nine seconds. He jumps over the boards. He has got to think defense first, but he doesn’t have that in his DNA. And he dives in and he puts himself behind the puck right off the bat. And that was the biggest mistake that created this entire goal was Leon Dryidle getting behind the puck. And then the next play that was another big one that people don’t like to hear is when their hero and best player on the team, Conor David, makes a mistake. People don’t want to hear that. He was the third player back in the zone. His responsibility is to take care of the middle of the ice and responsible for the front of the net. Two defensemen have the two drivers going to the puck and behind the net. His job is to turn around and look and see what’s coming. If he turns around and stops, play doesn’t happen. But he doesn’t. He follows puck. And And I’ll say this, players follow the puck because it’s hard not to when it’s under 10 seconds. And he he wasn’t thinking about the system. He wanted the puck. He’s Conor McDavid. He wasn’t thinking, “Hey, I got to check for back checkers.” No. Dude wanted the puck. So you understand why they make mistakes. And it’s so easy to slow these videos down to half a frame, one frame a second, and see, oh, you should have done this or that. And I’m not trying to be critical. I’m just trying to show you why they have practices, why they have systems, why they do video review, because it needs to be second nature. Oh, there’s two guys. I got to turn. But it doesn’t always work that way. So I I I don’t want to be critical. I’m not saying you’re an idiot player. Here’s how they made this mistake and here’s why they made the mistake. And I think it’s bringing hockey to a different level to fans that don’t really get to see that, but it’s not talking so expected goals and oddman rush percentages. It’s not that. It’s not that at all. It’s here’s what the game looks like when you slow it down and here’s what’s happening on the ice. I texted these guys on Sunday and I was like, Petey posted his video explanation of the goal. It was [ __ ] McDavid’s fault. God damn it. This makes it I I didn’t think I could feel worse. I thought I had a long enough list of people I was mad at. And I can be mad at Darnell Nurse and I can be mad at Brett Kulak. I’ve done that quite a bit over the years. I can be mad at Stu Skinner. I can even be mad at Leon Dryidle. But when you then add the best player in the world to the list, it just breaks your heart. But Petey, this is why like you’re the only person who does this. And I I everybody make sure you’re subscribed to his YouTube page because yes, it’s easy to just catch these on Twitter when we all retweet them, but the inside the coaches room on YouTube. He is the absolute best. Pety, we love you. Real real quick, Pety, as somebody who who spent 20 plus years with the Arizona Coyotes, how did you feel about Utah’s draft luck or draft lottery luck? Yeah, real quick because I know you guys have to to sell stuff to make money. I I I don’t care. HK, like, who cares? Not my problem anymore. I I And people text me, “Oh, are you all mad? What the hell for team’s gone? It’s over.” Like, I’m so over it. Like, people thought I’d be upset. What do you think of the new name? Who cares? HK. Don’t care. By the way, have you got taught these guys HK yet, Sean? I don’t No, not really. I I I don’t use it much without you. Who cares? Who cares? Who cares HK? There’s a story. We’ll do it someday. But no, I I don’t. Good for them. Good for Utah. I think they’re building the team in the right way. I think they’re going to be better. This is a team that’s going to challenge for the playoff spots uh next year in the Western Conference. Well, if you did care, at least the Utah Jazz lost the lottery. There’s your There’s your karma. They got [ __ ] so bad. I love it though. Thanks guys for having me. I want to say this. I appreciate you guys having me and this you guys. I I am an old man. I mean, she’s 60 closer than it is to 30. And I appreciate you guys letting me come on here and have a little bit of chaos. This is so much fun and I love talking hockey like this. I don’t need to be in there’s other shows that talk a different way and I I don’t enjoy that. I enjoy talking hockey with you guys. You’re our hero. We love you, man. Thanks so much, Pety. We’ll talk to you soon. Can’t wait till next time. Round next round. Can’t wait. Yes. Hopefully later, buddy. We’ll still have him on even if the Oilers lose. I just won’t be here. I I can’t whenever when I saw the uh his breakdown of the that Oilers or I guess BGK goal, uh I couldn’t help but think about the the years we spent in Arizona with Pety complaining about Carral Mela being too far out of his crease, like moving too much cuz that’s what Steu Skinner ended up doing. But that was Yes. Uh there was a there’s a guy I follow on Twitter who writes about goalies for the Athletic. I don’t know if like the athletic employees Jesse Granger. Jesse Granger. He’s the the Vegas Golden Knights beat reporter but also like a goalie guy. He’s like a goalie head. Yeah. Okay. So, he po he posted something last night that was like interesting. The uh Golden Knights are trying to go five hole on Skinner. And I responded and I was like, what’s the story there? Wouldn’t Shouldn’t they be trying to get him to move when he tries to move? Maybe they forgot who was in net. I was seriously thinking that. I was like, are they just like a couple of days behind on the uh on the the prep or whatever? But man, Utah Jazz got [ __ ] last night. And obviously that’s this is my way of oddly dealing with a bigger basketball issue that is worse and I should be more upset about, but I’m just pretending didn’t happen. You can’t say that the Utah Jazz got [ __ ] after our conversation about the San Jose Sharks. They didn’t try tanking as hard as again. Well, I guess we did see this my Sharks thing. To resummarize my Sharks thing, Sharks were a bad team who not only got rid of their UFAS, but they had young like pieces, not quite foundational pieces, but building blocks, and they were just like, “No, no, no.” Like, have to get rid of Absolutely. Utah Jazz traded a multi-time defending defensive player of the year for a boatload of draft picks. They did the same thing. No, but I’m saying it’s part of this process. It’s part of the tanking process. Yeah. They probably Yeah. And in the NBA that can have a yearslong effect versus famously. What’s that? Like the Celtics. Oh yeah. Well, I I love that Nico Harrison gets to be like, “Told you guys. Told you so. I’m a genius.” Pure luck. Pure luck. Pure luck. It’s the funniest [ __ ] thing ever. You know what’s wild? Uh Bill Simmons said, I don’t know if he ended up doing this, but he said it just as like a throwaway thing on his podcast. He was like, you know what’s going to happen now? I can see it now. Mavs are going to win the lottery. I’m going to I’m going to bet a future on the Mavs winning the lottery. And I don’t know if he actually did that, but they had a what 1.8% chance. Damn. I just I also love that a they get to replace a white boy with a white boy and b they als the city also got Paige Beckers. So they get Paige and Cooper flag in the same year and that and Cody Cece that was like the like massive year for imports. And speaking of massin yeah I was going to say Mir Heiskin expected to play in game four for Dallas. Oh word word. Damn. I mean I said it must win of all mustwins tonight for your Winnipeg Jets. if they don’t win this because they need to steal one on the road at some point anyway, but they are toastville. I would agree with that. Yep. I want the series to as as an Oilers person who hopes they make it to the to the next round. I need this series to go seven. I’m excited for Stars Oilers. I love this slate tonight. And I don’t want to go out of order. We’ll talk about the slate later, but I love the slate the next two days. Uh I love the slate tonight. and I will tell you why when we get to the slate grade. Okay, first let’s talk about the LA Kings making Ken Holland their next general manager. This man is 69 years young. You best know him for winning four Stanley Cups with the Detroit Red Wings in the 1700s. And uh after being kind of squeezed out, more kicked upstairs, but they wanted Eisermanman to come in and take over. He goes to the Oilers, becomes GM, and I think president of hockey ops was the title in Edmonton. His big moves, signs Zachman, made like one of the best trades in the NHL in recent memory for my money in Tyson Barry, first round pick. Uh I forget the prospect they traded, but he was a first round pick who became nothing, but they trade him for Matias, who is about to begin begin a four-year deal. just franchise heavily franchise affecting move also drafted Philip Roberg also drafted Dylan Holloway that’s the good the bad of course in massive flashing lights did not sign and extend Broberg and Holloway as their entry- level contracts were expiring uh I overall do not love Ken Holland as a manager right now how do you feel about him taking over the Kings Reed Schaefer, by the way, was the prospect. Reed Schaefer, apologies to Reed Schaefer, and best of luck. He’s still young. Yeah. I don’t I don’t know. Like Ken Holland is one of those guys where like you kind of have to take the good with the bad. Unfortunately, the bad usually or at least like in these past two teams has left a really sour taste in your mouth that lingers after he leaves. And that’s why I kind of look at it and I’m saying like I would be cool with bringing Ken Holland in in like a shared role like the Sabres tried to do. Yeah. It’s unbelievable to me. I would want him in a shared role with sharing the role with the person who is like making up for his losses. And I don’t know if that would be the case in Buffalo. That’s probably fair. Uh quick side note. Did I not say he signed Zack Heyman? You did. Okay. I meant to Okay. Someone in the chat said don’t forget Heyman. I never will as long as I live. I think about that guy so much. He’s my buddy. I got the photo proof. Anyway, what do the Kings need? That’s what I was just about to say is like, is this kind of an okay place for Ken Holland? Cuz how much is he going to be able to [ __ ] this up one way or the other? They have $23 million in cap space. They I I I want a good defenseman on that team very very badly. I’ll tell you what, if you’re hiring a guy who knows how to hurt the Oilers, just Ken Holland’s a pretty good place to start. True. But here’s my thing on Ken Holland, and I don’t have any inside information on this. I think Ken Holland is a, and I will note that I’m not saying this is any sort of agism. Ken Holland, I think, is like a sleepy old guy. That’s that’s why I’m kind of surprised by this is that I think that the some of the stuff that happened at the end of his tenure in Edmonton was because he was like a checked out old man, right? Doesn’t that didn’t it give you like doesn’t love the job or like doesn’t love working? Yes. It was it was kind of the Magic Johnson thing was like I’m not going to be here. So all time clip it like I don’t know if that’s because he knew that he wasn’t going to be in Edmonton or if he just didn’t really care about holding the job all that much. Do you remember a month or two into it was like a month and a half maybe or a month into the regular season last year. The biggest question we had every day, we were doing daily like trade watches on what are the Oilers going to do about their goalending and then he released Jack Campbell and he called up Calvin Pickard and we waited for what was next and Stu Skinner was really good and Calvin Pickard was a fine backup and we were like, “Oh, genius. He didn’t have to do anything and he knew.” And that’s where our brains went. And then after some of the other [ __ ] I saw him do, I was like, “Oh, no. He just didn’t do anything because he like forgot or didn’t think about it and it worked out.” Yeah. I mean, like I kind of view him in the same way that like I view Don Sweeney, which is like he’s good at certain parts of the job, but like there are other parts of the job that he just kind of either ignores or is very bad at. And to be a good GM, I think you need to have a hand in or be good at everything or at least like hire people that make up for your weaknesses. And I don’t I think there’s like there’s severe blind spots when it comes to Ken Holland. Sabrina says that Ken Holland is the first boomer to quiet quit. Yeah, it kind of seemed like he quiet quit. And if I’m wrong, we have Oilers, people who pay attention to us or whatever, and I’m sure they can reach out and say, “Oh, no, he actually did this, this, and this.” But my read on the thing was like the last year of it. And he also Henrik, good move. Who else they get the deadline? I mean, Henrik was the big piece, right? Henrik, they got um they got uh Sam Carrick. Was there anybody else they got at the deadline last year? I can’t remember. But he was good as you said at like parts of the job. He had some great deadline moves at home. Amazing. But I blame mostly I blame the St. Louis offer sheet fiasco on Ken Holland. Now, it was told to us by Dylan Holloway that in July the Oilers weren’t telling him that he was going to play with Leon and he just wanted to know like am I going to be a top six middle six guy and they weren’t really giving him any sort of indication that he was going to be a real guy with the team. So, just horrible [ __ ] job there. But ultimately, I think the biggest culprit of that was Ken Holland during the season when he didn’t sign those guys. So, I don’t know how I I don’t know how I feel if I am a Oh, yeah. Troy Steter, of course, he got I don’t know how I’m feeling if I’m a Kings fan. I think generally I’m feeling terrible because Kings fans should feel terrible. I don’t know why. I know that a lot of people were like, I thought this was the year. Why the [ __ ] did you think this was the year? It wasn’t the year, but could have been. Could have been. Was Nickstead last year or two years ago? Two years ago, I two years ago, right? Yeah. Yeah. You brought up the uh St. Louis Blues in their uh offer sheeting. They had quite the tweet as we discussed before the show. They to put out the uh the RFA compensation levels to which the Blues responded with uh oh perfect rubbing hands. Perfect. Amazing behavior. I agree. I thought it was hilarious. Can we say while we’re acknowledging great behavior that would hurt the feelings of Oilers fans, I need to give a shout out to my guy Aiden Hill for didn’t feel good in the moment because it was it hurt my team. But Aiden Hill conjuring up a penalty out of thin air when Yanmark skating by. He sticks his leg out and then falls down. Look, it’s illegal. You’re not supposed to do this, but if in the playoffs you can just make up a power play, that is a tiny bit of work. I tip my cap. I mean, he got a couple [ __ ] penalties. Uh the Vander Kane penalty charging. That one was just horrible officiating. I understand the Mark one. It wasn’t Yeah. Okay. It was subtle. You can’t And it wasn’t really Aiden Hill’s doing to get that penalty on on Kane. Right. Right. Right. Right. But Aiden Hill did some [ __ ] took a risk. It paid off. It was Chris Kelly-lesque. The type of just like, you know what, you wouldn’t know what to look at that guy, but that guy’s a [ __ ] bit of a [ __ ] So, good work there. Got to calm down, though. Drinking too much coffee. He’s a coffee head. He had way too much of it last night. Maybe somebody spit in his coffee beans last night. Uh who pissed in your coffee beans? While we’re talking about tweets, tweets. Oh, boy. The Florida Panthers, uh, their minority owner, Doug Sefue, Yep. Doug Seafood, uh, Doug Sefue, he’s on the seafood diet, was suspended by the NHL for unacceptable and inappropriate social media posts. And you’re saying, what would be unacceptable and inappropriate for a uh, an NHL owner to get suspended over? Sean, do we have the tweets? Oh, we sure do. Yeah. So, so he was he was fighting with the Leafs fan on Twitter after game four. And the handle you’re looking for here is Douggee Lararge. That is the Panthers minority owner Doug Sefue’s Twitter handle. Well, Douggee Large, if you’re looking for it now, uh, don’t bother because he deactivated his account. Which also being a billionaire and making your Twitter handle Douggee Large is the funniest thing ever. Even if he’s a piece of [ __ ] That what I said it’s the funniest thing ever. Even if he’s a piece of [ __ ] Oh yes. Okay. Yeah. He is a piece of [ __ ] because his Twitter handle’s name is Doug. Okay. So, this Leafs fan was [ __ ] with him, which whatever. They did not do the worst thing here. Said, “Hey, what’s worse? Using head shot to win a series or using starvation to win a war?” That of course is uh invoking the Israel Palestine conflict. And Sefue tweeted at this person, “Eat [ __ ] 51st state anti-semite loser. Israel now and forever until ever they mean every last Hamas rat is eliminated. You skipped a couple of steps. There’s Yeah, but the there are multiple tweets. The home run is the eat [ __ ] 51st state anti-semiler. Israel now and forever says Douggee Largearge until ever last Hamas rat is eliminated. Doug, Douggee Large got a few notes here. One is you just got to stay out of the whole war thing. Gota stay out of the Twitter thing. You’re a [ __ ] billionaire. Get the [ __ ] off the internet. I mean, if you just said like eat [ __ ] loser, then we would say Panthers minority owner Doug Sefue is one to watch. We’re going to say we are now following one. We’re keeping an eye on this guy’s tweets during games. Maybe uh if he sells his team and Michael Andlaw sells the Senators, maybe they can shack up, they can link up and have some group that buys a team that will then become our favorite team. That would be cool. However, you go MAGA, you go Israel Palestine conflict. And I know that he didn’t bring it up, but just stay out of that, man. I mean, the funniest or maybe not maybe the least funny part of all this is I feel like he got sus suspended because he called Canada the 51st state. I think that is what did it considering the sport, the markets, all of that. Yeah, the the MAGA part is I don’t think that gets suspended. I will say this is embarrassing. This is humiliating stuff. However, I feel like the you boys have not been looking at your hockey stats because the Florida Panthers are undefeated in series in which one of their guys gets suspended. That is true, but I think there’s a cap on uh what Aaron Ecklad can lose when suspended by the NHL. Yes. Uh Doug Sefue might uh this might result in him having to sell his stake in the team. Yeah. Which that is humiliating stuff. I mean, you got to like because you couldn’t you got to know your place. You couldn’t turn another eye to a Toronto Maple Leafs loser on Twitter and you had to respond and be an absolute bozo. Somebody in the chat said that’s a cocainefueled tweet for sure. Yeah. And that’s what I was saying, like, do you know how badly you need to [ __ ] up as a MAGA guy in Florida to go MAGA Florida and lose your job? Like that’s they’re like, “Oh yeah, like we all think that stuff. We just don’t uh it’s in the midst of a another what could be another Panthers Cup run.” Yeah. Like that’s what like like suspended means outside of the fact that all of his takes are [ __ ] stupid. You just don’t need to say any of it. Like you could just stay out of the way. Do it in the summer after your parade. Does this make anybody change their thoughts andor allegiances in this series? I do want I’m I’ve been like on and just pro Maple Leafs this postseason which which made me so uncomfortable. It’s the first time that’s ever I have always been so automatic in no matter what you have to lose. And I laugh every time. Not not like this one does, but I mean I feel like I’ve been very much like Pete up until this year. And maybe it’s because they started against the only team I hate more than the Leafs and the Senators. And I love NY and Matthews as Arizona boys. It feels very weird. I do find myself kind of wanting them to succeed a little I like those guys, too. But I’m not I’m not going to ever root for them to find happiness wearing that jersey. At least in not in a meaningful way. Plus, I have also said multiple times that the funniest possible outcome for the Toronto Maple Leafs is them blowing a lead in the cup. Like, if they if they if they allow the Oilers especially to do what they tried to do last year and come back from being three down in the Stanley Cup, peak comedy in my opinion. Well, I’ll tell you what. Tomorrow night, game five must win for the Leafs. And I will admit, I am rooting for the Leafs in that game. I want it to be 3-2. No matter what you want to have happen in this series, you should want it to be 3-2 Leafs. No, you don’t want You don’t want to see them get to a game seven, right? You don’t want to see them lose because they are losing game six. No, I don’t. I want to see them lose four games in a row. I want to see I want I want to see them take a 20 series lead and I want to see them lose four games in a row and I want to see it progressively get worse with each game. So even if you’re guaranteed a game seven loss, you think the four loses losses in a row is I I I think it is the it is the biggest like a game seven you could say we took the Florida Panthers to seven games. If they take a 20 series lead and then get their [ __ ] lunch shoved down their throat by the Panthers for four straight games. My only but my only thing is like if they’ve lost three games in a row then it’s like okay they’re going to lose game four. If you get to game seven Leafs fans are going to convince themselves that they’re going to win game seven and the the collapse is going to be that much more entertaining. If you get to game six and they and it’s going to be their fourth straight loss. Even though Toronto fans are a little delusional, I think you’re they’re going to be a lot quieter leading into that game. Sean, hit me with the slate. It’s a good one. I love this slate. Uno Jets at Stars game four 8:00 PM Eastern. United States and Canada. That one is on ESPN. Uh this is We got the logos reversed. Uh this is a big big big big big one for the J for the Jets. Like this season is on the line. They have to win this game. Yeah, it’s a must win. It’s a must win for sure. Mirro Han back. Uh yeah, it seems like it. I I also agree with Pey. Like I I think that in order to feel good about the Jets, they need to play a good game, but you need to see Connor Hobbuk be like a god tonight. I really think you need to see it. Uh that would give me some faith in Winnipeg being like maybe. Yes. But like even if the even if Winnipeg wins this game, I’m still going to feel most likely like it’s heavily skewed in Dallas’s favor. If Helle goes stew mode, we have such a series. No, that means we already we already deciphered that stew mode, the best the best stew mode is incomplete. I think you need a complete set of data on Connor Halabuk and that data needs to say he is back. He is the best goalie in the world. If he has a good performance tonight and then he’s going back home, I think Dallas is winning this series. I just want it to be a long one, but it can be a long one if that happens. I obviously stuff can happen in the series. Do you think there’s any chance or not? There’s obviously a chance. You think we get a Dallas? No. Andre’s taken Andre’s taken the net for team USA from from Hleuck at this point. I don’t know, man. Like I don’t think that that’s set in stone. Yeah, I don’t think it’s set in stone. There’s obviously a long way to go, but I feel like right now you have to say that Otter is the You don’t have to. In my opinion, Otter is the best. No, if you asked me like a week ago, I would have say yeah, it’s absolutely Otter. Like Helluck has bounced back at least to a certain degree. Yeah, but he hasn’t been better than Otter. No, I Yeah, I don’t think so. Uh, everybody who’s watching, make sure you’ve pressed subscribe. Please press subscribe on the YouTube. Please subscribe on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your stuff. And also on the Instagram. We want to get those Instagram numbers up. So find it there. We uh share our own stuff. We also share stuff from what Chaos Memes, which is a fun fan run account who makes little memes based on whatever we do on the show. 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The Carolina Hurricanes have taken a commanding 3-1 series lead over Alex Ovechkin and the Washington Capitals. We discuss Freddy Andersen’s dominant postseason and are joined by Steve “Petey” Peters to break down why the Canes look so boring in their dominance. Plus, we talk about the Oilers’ shutout win over VGK and the suspension of Panthers exec Doug Cifu.

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