Ice Cube on Giannis’ Legacy in Milwaukee, BIG3, Cailtin Clark & “No Vaseline” (Hear District Ep. 64)

Ice Cube on Giannis’ Legacy in Milwaukee, BIG3, Cailtin Clark & “No Vaseline” (Hear District Ep. 64)

Oh man, I wish we’ have thought of this 30 years ago, man. And you banging in the Oh man, that been right up my alley too. 20 25 my 40s. I can still hang too a little bit. So I used I used to hold down the set and white men can’t just they say they say, “Oh, oh, he he done put it in the NBA mode. We got to look out for him now.” You was hard to handle for the pros. So I’m pretty sure for the amateur, you was saying, “Hold on, hold on, hold on.” Five time allstar Marcus Johnson alongside Marcus Johnson. What’s up everybody? This is the here district captain of this vessel and I got my first mate, my number one son, Christian Johnson. What up? Talk to me. Let it rain man. Let it rain. I guess I go. Guess what? We’re rolling back. Go fight. Welcome everybody to the here district market job. You’re listening to a Bucks Plus audio production on the Bucks Plus Network. Your weekly pulse on the Milwaukee Bucks straight from a Bucks legend. This is Here District with Marcus Johnson alongside his son and 1995 NCAA champion Chris. Here’s MJ. All right, welcome to Here District. I’m Marcus Johnson, captain of this vessel on this fantastic voyage following Bucks basketball all season long. My first mate, Chris Johnson. We’re the only father and son combination in NCAA history to win a national championship at the same school. That’s the caveat. UCLA at the same school. We made history. And speaking of making history, we’ve got uh man just an iconic um celebrity, producer, director, actor, uh giant in the music industry, Ice Cube, man. We we thank you so much for coming by here at District today, man. Welcome, man. Thanks for having me. You know what’s cool about what you just said is, you know, my first movie was Boys in the Hood. It was a song I had wrote when I was with a group called NWA with Easy E. That was my first movie. And years later, my son come along. His first movie is Straight Out of Compton, which is the story of my group. Yeah. So, it’s almost like we we played for the same team, you know what I mean? and we both uh kind of scored our you know basically introducing ourselves to the world through NWA. Me through the music him through the movie. So in some ways it’s similar to what you guys did uh on the basketball court and and you and you just ruined my you just ruined my joke Ice Cube because because I was I was going to say how does it feel? I was going to mention that my son Josiah podcasting with Gills Arena does a great job with them. My other son Josh starred in uh uh what was that Chris? All the Queens Men, Tyler Perry’s All the Queen Men. Got another son, Mariah. How does it feel to be the second best actor in the family? That was Feels pretty good, you know. Uh I’m gonna give that to him, you know. I’ll take the best rapper. Yeah, take the best actor. No, he’s good. He was good. He was good in Swagger. I I don’t know how much of that series you saw, but man, I love that show. And Kevin Durant had it seemed like it was kind of based on his life. I think Lauren Hill’s nephew was the was the lead who actually had some game. But but your son, Coach Ike, I mean, he man, that’s when uh I first noticed him and his his chops as an actor. So, that was uh that was uh just just a real discovery for me watching him in that show. But he’s done a great job in everything I’ve seen him in. Yeah, he’s been brilliant, you know, and uh I just I just, you know, happy to see him living out his dream when it comes to being a part of Hollywood at the highest level. So, yeah. Yeah. And and and final point on that. So, I’m going to have my people contact your people. I got a screenplay I wrote about a father and son dynamic, firefighter screenplay in the in the in the 1950s integrating the LA Fire Department. Great fire son, father son dynamic. You know, I we’ll talk later, but but just just just keep that in mind. Plug it. Well, Burning for Justice. Come on. Yeah. Ed is actually with UTA right now. And I’ll send you the coverage. Great coverage on that, but we’ll talk more about that later. But man, we got you here because first of all, where’d you grow up? I want to know a little bit about you, your background. I know I know LA, but where in LA did you grow up? What what part of the city? Vaness and Imperial. That area. Um, you know that that was basically that area. Vaness Imperial 108 Western. So that’s Washington. Washington High School. Washington High School. You were supposed to go to Washington. Yeah. Yeah. See, I I actually went to TAV. I know you went to You went to TA, but that’s that’s Washington’s neighborhood. I mean, that’s definitely Washington High School neighborhood. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. because I I played I grew up at James Loftton, Hall of Famer for the Green Bay Packers at uh it’s Jesse Owens Park now, but it was Sportsman’s Park back in the day when we played there. I remember Sportsman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right on was that Century and Western or something like that. So anyway, Western. You got it right. Okay. Cuz cuz you know cuz you capture, man, the essence of of Los Angeles in your music like few others have been able to do. And uh and as an old school guy, I’ve always appreciated that. And the one thing that connects me with your music, man, is that these samples are from songs of my era. So you got the Isaac Brothers, you got the jazz band, and it gives me credit with my kids because I can say, “Oh, yeah, that’s that’s that’s, you know, that’s the dance band or that’s that that’s that’s that’s Between the Sheets, you know, what how do you know all that? That’s my era.” So So you’ve been able to bridge, man, some generations, man, with your music that that they probably without even intending to. I don’t know. Yeah. I grew up, you know, my brothers and sisters, you know, they’re about, you know, y’all probably in the same school. You know, they, you know, few years older than me, and they would always hit me to the to the funk, you know what I mean? To the good music, to the soul music, the R&B, and we grew up loving that music. So, when it was time to to to do our music, that’s where we sample from. Yeah. And um, you know, it’s a great era. you know, it don’t get no better than the music from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. And so, you know, I still lean back and and and grab some of that music because now the newer generation need to, you know, they need to hear it through me and me me and then find the original. So, y you know, great music never die. Yes. I’m proud. And um you know, that’s LA. You know, LA, people think LA is surf and sun, but it’s a culture in LA that’s uh a little more a little more street, you know, a little more uh funky than that. So, yeah, I love to be able to to present that in the music. And Chris, help me out with this, but but we were talking there’s a whole dialect of talking that that that couple of generations behind. Yo, what’s up, homie? What’s up? You know, it’s a whole way of talking in LA that that that’s really special to LA that it just it just came out of nowhere for me cuz I wasn’t plugged into the street scene and all of a sudden my nephew, people like that, I’m hearing them talk, you know, and it’s a whole another dialect. So, yeah. No, but Cube, I I want to go back to America’s Most Wanted cuz we on the anniversary. You dropped that. It’s 30 something years ago. It was 35. It was one of the defining soundtracks of my childhood. You can ask my pops. I mean you I was reciting your lyrics bro when I’m 13 14 years old verbatim so you know already know what time it is but my question is this you left NWA around that time how did that period shape your voice as a solo artist well you know what I loved about NWA is before it was called gangster rap we called it reality rap gangster rap is something that was that end up being coined by the media and just took a life of its own. So, I was always into what’s called street knowledge, being able to hit people on what we were going through growing up and, you know, also hit the people that we grew up with to what government was doing to to, you know, curve their progress and success. So, you know, I love that element of it. When I was in NWA, I was a member. So, it was it was easy e show. It was the Dr. Dre show, but when I got u went solo, it was my show and I could do the kind of records that I felt from the heart that needed to be done. And it was always to me a form of street knowledge. I wanted to teach you with my music and not just brag and boast, man. I mean, when you dropped No Vaseline, I mean, it was life it was lifechanging cuz we hadn’t heard somebody go that hard at another group of people. I mean, you went hard. You you you crucified him. I think for me at the time, I was like, Cub is just send is sending a message that he’s here. Now, my question to you at that time, like, did you was there pressure on you to outdo what you had done with NWA when you were a solo artist? And how did you like tap into that to where you tried to live up to that pressure? I didn’t really feel that pressure. My pressure was to establish myself and to do the kind of records that I felt would connect with the people. Yeah, when I left, you know, I really didn’t look in my rearview mirror until they started talking about me, you know, and then, you know, from there we was like, uh oh, okay, I got to, you know, I can’t just let it slide, right? This rap game, so you got to respond. And so, um, you know, I was like, yo, I’m not playing with it. You know, they may be jabbing, but I’mma I’mma try to end this. And I was ready for more rounds. So, it was something that I felt like, okay, here we go. It’s about to be kind of a war of attrition when it come to lyrics. And uh here we go. And fortunately, it stopped with one record. We didn’t have to go back and forth and forth and back. Well, and that and that was my question. In terms of repercussions, was it on the Gary Payton, Jordan Crawford level in terms of big three confrontations? I mean, was it was it something that you felt you had to watch your back? you felt like, you know, I’m putting this out here and now I don’t know where this is going to go and how it’s going to go. Yeah, man. Cuz you know, they right there in Compton. That ain’t too far. Yeah. You throw a rock and hit South Central from Compton. So, you know, you definitely had to, you know, have your head on a swivel. And, you know, this was a family feud. So, not only did we know each other, but we knew people who knew Yeah. you know, no, everybody knew where we were and how to get to us because we all knew the same people. So, you could be doing something and uh and they pull up on you. So, we was always, you know, weary that it could get physical. You know, it did a few times. You know, we did get into a few squabs, but at the end of the day, cooler heads prevailed. Who got into a squab? Who who was squabbbing? This is breaking news for me. got in the squad with u with above the law a few times. You know, one time it was me and Crazy Tunes and the other time it was uh it was the Lynch Mob and them. So, yeah, it got physical. Yeah. But at the end of the day, like I said, cooler heads prevailed. You know, me and Easy talk and he was like, “Man, we just Yeah. We we came from the streets. Like we we trying to do something to get us out the streets. But if we gonna just bring the streets into the music industry, we gonna be back or somebody going to be in jail. Somebody going to get hurt or killed. You know what I mean? It’s going we going to be back to square one. So let’s just keep it on wax. If we don’t like each other, keep it on wax, man. Don’t let it get physical. Don’t let it get in the streets. And uh that was the best thing that happened. So listen, man. Let’s let’s let’s talk a little a little bit about what uh one of the main reasons we got you here, the big three. I mean, and so you’ve tapped into something else in terms of just an opportunity for first of all for older players to still kind of get basketball not so much out of their system, but a means of expression for them and in a in a great great forum, great great platform in terms of, you know, national TVs, crowds and all that. Was this your brainchild? Did somebody bring this to you? Did you play a lot of three on three? Where did this idea come from? Oh man, we used to battle in my backyard. You know, we called it the form. Yeah. In the 80s, it was a physical game, you know. We wanted to be you, Daryl Dawkins. We wanted to be, you know, uh Moses Malone, you know, it wasn’t u soft at all. So, we would have some epic threeon-ree games in in the backyard. Yeah. You know, banging up against the garage, you know what I mean? like late at night, neighbors calling saying, you know, it’s time to put that ball down. You know, it’s uh Yes, sir. So, that’s what I grew up on and I always I actually love the three on three better than five on five because, you know, being a amateur, uh, you know, you touch the ball a lot more in three on three, you actually can get involved in the game. You know, in a five on five game, you can get lost. Yeah. And so, um, I always preferred it better to play. Now, um, I always wondered why it hadn’t been professionalized. Like, why aren’t the pros, the sevenfooters, the masters of the game, why aren’t they playing this on the professional level just because nobody professionalized it? You know, we started off as a retired NBA league, right? But we’ve gotten younger every year. You know, some of our stars are in their 20s now. Uh who can really hoop at this level. You know, the threeon-ree game is a personal game. It’s uh monoemano. If you can’t pass, dribble, shoot, and defend, you’re gonna get cooked. So, you got to have it all. You can’t be a specialist in the big three. Facts. You can’t be a defensive guy or just a rebound guy or three-point guy and get success. You got to be able to do it all. So, it’s its own sport in so many ways. When you say the Big Three is its own sport, I mean, I totally agree with that. And the physicality is definitely bar none. It’s probably one of the most physical professional leagues that play basketball right now. Looking forward, do you think you’re reportedly you offered Caitlyn Clark 5 million to come play? I don’t know if those reports were true, but do you ever foresee you incorporating women into the big three format? Well, it’s not really up to me. You know, at the end of the day, the players pick who they want to play with. That’s what’s unique about the big three. It’s not GM saying, “I want this guy or that guy.” It’s players saying, “Hey, I know I can win with these guys.” And so, if they pick a female player, then she’s in the big three. We’ll see how she do. So, it’s not up to me to say if she can play or not. Okay. It’s up to the players to believe that she can help them win a championship. You know, if they don’t believe that, then it won’t happen. But if they do believe there’s a player out there that can do that and deal with the physicality of the league, then um maybe, you know, the only reason she came on the map is because of course far as our sponsors and things like that and somebody breaking that barrier, it would have been, you know, epic to watch and it would have unlocked a lot of dollars for the league. But at the end of the day, um, we’ve had some small guards like Nay Robinson, Makmoud Abdul Rau, guys like that come in and really get loose in the league and and have a good um run. So, she’s that kind of player. So, you know, maybe a small player like that who can shoot and pass could uh could have some success, you know. Come on. Come on, Cube. Come on. You know these somebody can’t do. But I’m just saying uh down low. Yeah. Bigger like in the paint. It’s too ugly. But even but even the mach dude Mcmoods and and Nate Robin I mean look look Cheryl Miller used to work out with me and Reggie the and Kiki Vanderway up at UCLA when we were all in our primes and playing and as good as she was I mean she was she she just didn’t have that level of physicality and and Kaitton Caitlyn Clark you know you know I feel like Cube these dudes the national TV audience all the media attention this is gonna attract she is not this is my attitude as a player she is not going to use me for some, you know, for clown for clownage fodder. I’m not I’m not being clownish fodder by Caitlyn Clark. That’s what the be beautiful thing about it. It’s very debatable, of course, and until somebody wants to try it. Yeah. And and break that barrier and be like the Billy Jean King of it, then and you know, then you know, it it’ll always be debatable. But to me, owning a league, you can’t take say what a player can’t do, right? You got to give them the shot. And if they can do it, they can do it. And if not, they won’t be on the court. We all know in professional sports, it’s a level of play that you have to be able to to achieve. If you can’t get up to that threshold, you shouldn’t be on the court. Yeah. Well, and I’ll tell you this though, I definitely watch it. I’d pay to see it, you know. You know, in person. And that’s the bottom line. I I definitely I definitely I definitely watch it. Business-wise, it would have unlocked millions of dollars for the league without Yeah. One more thing on the on the big three because five years ago, you I read an article where you had a vision for the league. Now, and we fast forward to present day, the big uh threeon-ree is now an Olympic sport. Um you obviously have your league as a professional league. You have unrivaled that has sort of uh adopted a similar format on the women’s side. And you also have the Pro 16 league sponsored by Puma on the AAOU grassroots circuit that just dropped an announcement that they’re going to run a whole threeon-ree series. What’s the big the long-term vision cube for the big three and do you see it evolving beyond the league that you know is filled with retired NBA guys? It’s a level of play. So, you know, I believe we have to maintain that level of play and then, you know, either guys can play at this level or not. You know, a lot of exNBA players get into the league and get locked up and they can’t do nothing. And and there’s guys who never sniffed a NBA court can actually get loose in the big three. So you either have this skill set, you know, it’s kind of like UFC and boxing. You know, it’s two different skill sets. And so just cuz a guy can do the UFC thing, that don’t mean he can just only box and vice versa. So we feel like there’s five on five specialists and there’s three on three specialists. Now, our long-term view is our vision is to continue to have the best threeon-ree league in the world. And if you look around, we have the best three on three uh league in the world with the best players that should be in the Olympics. That’s a different story. So, at the end of the day, continue to grow our league and continue to introduce our league around the world and um and dominate the the professional threeon-ree space. in terms of of of the initial kind of attraction for for fans. I mean, how it it seems to me that that being the cultural icon that you are, I mean, you were just as much a big a part of that as the as the talent on the floor because it was mainly older guys, retired guys, but but it seemed like you would have to really invest a lot of energy in terms of what you did at the in at the at the inception of the league promotional wise, and you probably still do, but your name attracts crowds. Yeah, without a doubt. You know, I’ve been doing this for a decade now, and it’s really about my past work uh has made people even look this way just to see, okay, what Cube doing this? What’s he up to? Yeah. And so they come, they like it, they love it, they find out, hey, these guys are still in this format, they’re, you know, they’re just as good as any other basketball player in the world in the half court, three on three, first to 50. Uh so um they probably can’t play a you know NBA schedule 82 games and you know back to backs and three games and four nights and all that crazy stuff but you know one week one one game a week to 50 these guys are next level. So, at the end of the day, you know, we got we got the best and it’s really about just making sure we continue to grow that and and and make the league bigger and bigger. And and nobody embodies that to me cube more so than uh Joe Johnson, ISO Joe, he had that great run in the big three and all my not all, but the younger generation of guys were coming out saying, “Oh, oh, he can play in the NBA. He can dominate.” I’m trying to tell him, “Slow your roll. It’s it’s it’s half court.” How would Giannis, how would his game translate? Open court, best transition player maybe in the in the history of the game. There is no transition in big three. How would his game translate to the big three in your mind? I still think he would dominate. You know, it’s um we still have a place for the big man in the big three. you still play with your back to the basket if that’s what you want to do and um you know use your post moves or you know he could he could stretch the floor a little bit so he could dribble so I don’t think he would have any problem in dominating in the big three um because he got it all anyway if you got if you can pass dribble shoot and defend at a high level you should be fine in the big three. And Cube, to follow up on on Giannis, man, you was in LA when the Lakers were going through the drama when Kobe, he wanted to bounce at one point, you know, ended up staying. How do you view like that whole scenario like staying with one team? Does that tarnish his legacy if he was to bounce or is it strengthen his legacy if he does stay uh with the Bucks? You know, if he bounce and get more championships, I don’t think that could hurt his legacy. But if he stay and get more championships in Milwaukee, his legacy to me will be bigger. You know, that’s the right way to do it. You know, if he’s at the end of your career, chasing a championship is fine. You know, there’s nothing wrong with that. Mhm. But if you’re still young and you’re still the piece, you know, you want people to come play with you and bring championships where you are, not relocate. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. So, listen, man. Let’s let’s talk about ball players that are rappers and and and and Dame Lillard. For me, I’m not a rapper official by any stretch of the imagination. And I tell you, I like the hooks and then the music if it’s good and the lyrics are positive or say and and are saying something. But but what’s your thoughts on Dame as a rapper? I I I like where he’s coming from, but but Dame and then other ball player play players that may have impressed you. Is it may be a short list. It may it may be no list, but ball player rappers, man, who who do you like? I want to ask you who you don’t like, but who do you like out there? I mean, Dame is good. I mean to me I don’t see as much as I did a few years back where it seemed like uh people were really uh you know showing what they could do musically. So I don’t know if if if the athletes done took a step back from producing music. Um now I know that the ball boy who’s not in the league did tweaker. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, people are multifaceted. So, I I never count people out just because they do one occupation. Well, you know, you know, it was uh all kind of players that I mean, people got talent, man. And basketball is one element. Um, but you know, there’s people out there that can still do it. They just not doing it as much from what I see. Yeah. So, so, so, so you don’t look down at I mean, you don’t like, man, they think they can do this. This looks so easy to them. They think they can do this. I mean, you respect the fact that they are trying to get, you know, express themselves in music and and I mean, how do you how do you look at these guys? They don’t laugh at me trying to play basketball. I won’t laugh at trying to rap. You know what I’m saying? Let’s Let’s just be cool. Keep it real. Keep it real. Yeah. I’m not I ain’t in no position to be laughing at nobody. So, um, no, if you could do it, you know, it ain’t about who you are, man. It’s about what you can get to come out the speakers. That’s what it’s about. If you can get it to come out the speakers and make people dig it coming out the speakers, you’re in the music business. Yeah. So, Mr. Ry got a triple double. Did Have you ever had a triple double, brother? Uh, I probably have. Okay. All right. You know, we in the game, you know, you get a lot of shots of Yeah. So I know I got more than 10. Lot of bricks. A lot of bricks. I done got 10 rebounds and I could dish the ball. So dime triple. I probably had a triple double. Okay. And in terms of music people, I used to play Cube at Crunch High School on Tuesday nights when I was in the NBA with Philip Bailey Harvey Mason Senior whose son Harvey Mason Jr. was the first commissioner of the big three. A great great drummer. some other great musicians. Marvin Gay would show up out there, man. And these guys are okay now. But from what you’ve seen, the Chris Browns and then the other musicians. Give me a top three to five guys that you’ve seen out there who really got game as as as musicians. Oh man. Yeah. You know, Chris Brown’s one of them. I’ve seen uh The Game. The rapper The Game is dope. Uh Snoop got game. NLE Chopper. Gilly from Gilly the Kid. Yeah. Oh, Gilly nice. Gilly night. That lefty talking trash. That lefty a lot of trash. He don’t just play, he talking. And so that’s that’s that’s how the game is supposed to be played, how he played. Just, you know, talking mess, making buckers, and nothing but total confidence. And so, um, yeah, there people out there that can really get down. Well, listen, man. We appreciate you coming by here and spending some time with us. And the big three, you founded it in 2017. You you start your eighth season in Chicago June 14th. It kicks off and uh I mean what a what a brilliant brilliant concept. And I just like the fact again that you give these youngsters a chance. That final question, but that that you drop the age limit from 27 to 22. Yes. What is that going to do in terms of these old heads and then and them having a place to to to to to you know express themselves on the floor? I mean, is it going to cut down their opportunities? Maybe. You know, this is a pro league, so you either can play or not. Not a a league just because you oh, you you want to get a run on, you know, on weekends. You know what I’m saying? And this a league that you have to have a level of play and once you don’t you can’t come up to that level no more unfortunately you no no longer a pro player at least in the big three. So um we want to keep a standard and and we have to create our own superstars to really be a league. We can’t just rely on the NBA. Yeah. Um and when they’re done playing there to come play with us. We got to have guys who are stars on a threeon-ree level. So, developing young stars 22 and up, guys who maybe uh tried the NBA and couldn’t get there and maybe going our route. Uh, and sometimes the NBA we all know it’s not talent all the time. It’s all it’s numbers. Um, it’s attitudes, it’s personalities, it’s politics, you know, as well. So just because a guy’s not there, that don’t mean he’s not one of the best basketball players in the world. Uh so we we want to develop our own athletes. So So it’s not going to be like when I came into the NBA in the in the late 70s how they had a quota system. Six white guys had to be in Kansas City, had to be in Cleveland, had to be in Milwaukee. You’re not going to hold down any spots for for the 40 year olds or the 50 year olds. There’s no no quota system for the old guys. It ain’t about your name, man. It’s about your name. Yes sir. So if you still got the game you can play just because you name this and name that that don’t that don’t you know people don’t don’t care about paying for that you know people want to see if you can still ball and if you can at this level you know it’s probably a spot for you. Yeah. And we and you know we got more people we had 120 people at our combine. Damn. um for 24 spots. Wow. So, it’s uh actually less than that. 16 spots, excuse me. So, it’s it’s competitive. There’s people that want to play. Yes. We want to get the best three on three players in the world. Yeah. Well, you struck a chord, man, with the uh with the with the with the sporting public out there, man. And uh continued success to you in all facets. Uh your Friday, the movie, last Friday, the last Friday. Tidy Listister was a was a friend of mine, man, that we played ball at University High School all the time together and Debo was out of his mind, but he was a great guy. But man, just continued success to you and everything you’re doing, man. And uh we appreciate you so much stopping by here District with us, man. Appreciate you. Anytime, every time, man. Let’s do this again. All right, sir. All right, man. Later. This has been a Bucks Plus audio production.

Iconic rapper, actor, and BIG3 founder, Ice Cube joins Bucks legend Marques Johnson and his son Kris on Hear District to discuss what another NBA title in Milwaukee would mean for Giannis Antetokounmpo’s legacy and how he’d perform in Cube’s professional 3-on-3 league. Ice Cube also shares his thoughts on WNBA stars like Caitlin Clark competing in the BIG3 and whether he really did mess around and get a triple-double. The conversation dives into BIG3’s upcoming eighth season, Cube’s vision for the league’s future, and his iconic music career—from leaving N.W.A. and dropping “No Vaseline” to the impact of his debut solo album, “Amerikkka’s Most Wanted.” Plus, he ranks the best basketball players who can rap, including Damian Lillard a.k.a. Dame D.O.L.L.A., and explains how L.A. culture shaped his music and identity. Footage courtesy of BIG3

0:00 — Intro to Ice Cube
4:30 — L.A. Roots
7:27 — N.W.A. & “No Vaseline”
12:14 — BIG3 & Caitlin Clark
22:26 — 3-on-3 Giannis & Milwaukee Legacy
24:28 — Dame D.O.L.L.A. & Rapping Athletes
26:25 — Did Cube get that Triple-Double?

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