Major Moves Incoming? Pistons Free Agency Reaction LIVE | Pistons Jack Chats EP15
and we are live welcome to a special edition a 2025 NBA free agency live show over here on the Pistons Jack YouTube channel got my man Kyle Mets joining me Piston Salary Cap guru on Twitter over on Blue Sky kyle what’s going on my man
what’s up everybody happy free agency we’re here we did it now let’s see what happens oh man it’s uh I don’t even know where to start Kyle i think look we’re it’s officially 6:01 p.m eastern i believe it’s 8:00 for me here on Tuesday morning but uh Kyle I guess let’s just get straight into it i’m going to hand it over to you for a couple of minutes just to set the scene for just briefly the Pistons cap situation they’re in right now uh and just maybe the types of moves they can potentially make just a brief summary for those just to get everyone updated with what we might be uh in for in the next hour or two yeah for sure so um what we’re looking at now is where it currently stands the Pistons can either renounce all their free agents including Beasley um THJ and uh Dennis Shreder are the big names but it would also include Lindy Waters Paul Reed um so if they renounce all of their cap holds they can get to about 16.9 million in cap room um the reason why it’s not a little higher I know some people if you’re looking at the numbers is because there’s a thing called incomplete roster charges and so any for every for every player under 12 players that you have they they put a$1.2 million$1.3 million hold on your books so when you sign someone that goes away and it kind of balances out but that’s just a it’s a minor really annoying thing that happens so 16.9 million is the starting point um if they without salary dumping anybody else the other option is they have they do have those cap holds they have they they can operate as an over-thecap team which would mean they have their byanual exception which is $5 million exception that they can use um which is the lesser known um most people maybe don’t realize that but they also have the non- taxpayer mid-level which is 14.1 million and so um they cannot aggregate those things but those are those are some trade exceptions they can use to to bring guys in um or sign them as free agents with those with that amount Um and then they also have guys like Dennis Rutder they can sign and trade some of these guys to bring in bigger salary players if they want to so as an above the captain team they have lots of flexibility um and then sorry one more thing I forgot to mention if they go under the cap they have an $8 million I think it’s $8.7 million room exception that they can also use in a trade or to sign a player after they’ve spent their salary cap so lots of flexibility no I love it and that that’s why you’re the man Kyle to break that all down and uh for everyone in the chat if you have any questions um for Kyle probably more so than myself um shoot them in the chat and we’ll go through them i just want to quickly set the scene for the show today so obviously we’ll be we’ve got some uh players to talk about but uh this will very much be a show reacting to any news that comes through so uh we’ve got our eyes on what’s going on i’ve got Tweet Deck going over here so uh we’re going to react to everything um and this is going to be a relaxed show so um if you have anything you want us to talk about shoot it into the chat but we’re going to go here for an hour hour and a half maybe two hours we’ll see how we’re tracking um but um so Kyle you set the scene for us um maybe let’s just I know everyone’s excited about potentially the new players we could add i think it’s worthwhile just quickly checking in on a couple of the guys uh that the Pistons could resign in Tim Hardway Jr Dennis Shoda and I guess Malik Beasley um it sounds like Dennis Schro is probably going to head to the Kings i don’t know if that’s been confirmed but it sounds like
just said they arranging a meeting yeah now that’s again they’re arranging meetings with Schroeder and Westbrook so um but yeah uh Sher to the Kings has been a lot of smoke on that last couple days
so I think I saw somewhere Shod was around two years was it around 30 million i think I saw in one of Mark Stein’s articles
so as you were saying the Pistons could offer him up to 22 million annually but that’s just not a situation so do you think we Dennis showed us he’s he’s pretty much gone I feel like at this point yeah um I think that’s probably more likely to because the Pistons weren’t that high on bringing him back um that’s how I read the the YouTube or like the Instagram thing was him saying “I want to be here but I’m waiting on them to even offer me anything.” Um and he knows he can’t wait for them probably if there’s if he’s got an offer up out there especially if the Kings are offering him substantial role um then that makes sense for him and to get his money now now with Beasley no longer being in the mix maybe that changes things but you have to remember Traan was completely comfortable going into last off season without a backup ball handler and they had plenty of ways to make that happen um they didn’t even really use their room exception last year so I think we see the same thing especially now with Assar even being more prominent with Ron they want to probably get him some on ball reps potentially you know like those are things where I think they’ll probably go into the season just like they did before have Cade be the primary let Ivy have room on the bench to be the featured ball handler and scorer and if they need to bring a guy with a minimum or the bianual or just at the trade deadline go make a move um I think they’re completely comfortable with that yeah it’s I I’m with I think so as well and it’s a good point that you raised about last offseason and I think uh I read somewhere once again in one of Mark Stein’s articles that the Pistons still are looking to put reps into Ivy as that in that backup point guard role not obviously he’s still a starter but filling that backup role uh when Kate’s off the floor um maybe let’s let’s jump to Tim Hardway Jr quickly i have not heard or seen much about him at all with the Pistons or any other team obviously in light of the Malik Beasley situation after thinking maybe Tim was not very high on the list to bring back at least just for my gut feel I now kind of feel like I would like to see him back as a Piston do you have like any idea what what his contract could look like or what an ideal contract for him could look like um for Tim if I if I set it up in a way like they can still go sign an Aquil Alexander Walker but they bring in THJ what would that deal look like
if they’re bringing THJ back on anything more than like a minimum then it’s probably they’re an over the cap team
um okay because they have that cap hold for him and I think that’s way better option i think part of the reason why I haven’t seen a lot of THJ chatter is because he’s probably second or third wave in terms of free agency because Beasley because um guys like Larabia and Nquil Alexander Walker there is a handful of guys that probably were higher on the list um in terms of being available and the Pistons can pay him so much more than anyone else can if they want to um and so I think that’s partly why there’s not a lot of THJ chatter because it’s probably going to be one of those things where it was just uh he’s going to wait out and see what the market is now that Beasley’s basically off the table again I think the Pistons should I think the Pistons should sign him to a minimum deal and keep his early bird rights and kick the can down cuz
Rosier took seven months and he still got to play and he came out they found him not guilty so was that just announced today for Rosier yes yeah it was just announced earlier a couple hours ago so
all that being said so that’s just a slight tangent but I think Beastley could still end up in the building
um and I think No I like So let’s just touch on the bees situation you did an episode with coup last night everyone locked on Pistons i’m sure everyone’s gone and watched that i’ll be honest I just didn’t have a chance with the time zone and then this straight away this morning but can you just uh I’m sure you spoke about the Beasley uh suspension well he’s not suspended innocent till proven guilty but can you just talk us through maybe what that looks like for the Pistons let’s say it’s going to take seven to 12 months for that situation to play out um I guess from my standpoint my quick thoughts are the issue is Malik doesn’t have a contract right now that’s why he’s not going to be playing probably because it would be unwise for a team to offer him a deal is that how the situation looks until there’s a verdict or am I
People are saying that people are saying that I don’t there’s no like I don’t think there’s any bylaws there’s nothing that’s like they can’t sign him now is it wise probably not and maybe you don’t play him i don’t know it’s not like if Rosier was like when Jonte Porter was found guilty they didn’t have to like forfeit games this isn’t this isn’t college football so like yeah you know it’s it’s one of those things where it’s just if all he’s if you give him if you sign him for a minimum all he’s doing is taking up a roster spot
you know what I mean
and they didn’t even necessarily have all 15 roster spots filled like teams don’t do that all the time so as long as you’re above as long as you’re above 13 you’re in compliance I guess is what I’m saying and so I think that’s where yes it’s like a PR thing where it’s like do we really want to sign Beasley to a contract knowing that he might have bet on games like maybe maybe not but it also sounds like it was only one game maybe back in 23 24 and so all that being said um I don’t know much like I don’t know the ins and outs legally but most likely the the things are he’s going to probably be found innocent and be fine or he’ll be found guilty and be a lifetime ban like that there’s not really much in between i don’t I don’t think um
but I don’t know for sure
no you’ve laid it out really well there so I guess from like so the Pistons this the a situation that could play out is the Pistons go Malik we still are invested in you say we they think he’s innocent or whatever they go but because of what’s to play out we’re not going to invest anything major in you we’re going to give you a one-year deal let this play out um and then we can reopen contract negotiations next summer that’s a real thing where he could it sounds like play and then they look into that deal again next summer and he Yeah you kick it for sure i think they could totally do now it sounds like Trajan might be pivoting like they’re connected to all these guys and I can’t tell if that’s like aggregators and insiders just connecting dots and agents trying to put things out there to create leverage like there’s all kinds of reasons why that stuff can come out and I don’t think they’re going to do a Beasley deal until like right before the season starts so give it some time but it benefits Beasley too like you’re getting you’re getting $2 million as a you know minimum and it lets the Pistons keep his bird rights his early bird rights for next summer so he could sign
a like a four-year like I forget i just I sent it out earlier i think it’s 56 something it’s I think it’s 149 gear
i just I can go find my
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for everyone as well i’ve got it down the bottom there but please if you want anything to do with the Pistons cap fake like fake trades actually set like please go follow Kyle Kyle Mets23 on Twitter it’s I’m I’m on your P this time of the year i’ve spend that much time on your page well I appreciate that i hope it’s helpful that’s that’s what I tried yeah four years 56 million they can so if they keep his early bird rights they can sign to a 4year $56 million deal
um and that would start at 12.5 million roughly it’s based on the like league average salary of the previous year so it’s that’s an estimate um but they can sign him for 105% of the league average um if they keep his early bird rights and that’s what would signing him to a minimum deal would let him would let him it would protect him right it gives him a chance to sign for a long-term deal till he gets something now the Pistons would be saying “Hey we’re going to stand by you in this like if you if it comes out you’re proving you know innocent we’re going to keep your ability to make money long term without having to go out and get a new thing.” I think it could be a real win if they do that and I think the potential PR fallout would be minimal because you could spin it so much like a hey like we don’t know so we’re going to stand by him and without losing your flexibility because they can still go sign Nquil Alexander Walker they can bring back Tim Harder where they can go get a you know a Duncan Robinson
um and then do stuff later um and so I think that’s kind of where I would that’s how I would handle that situation if it were me but I don’t know also all the ins and outs of that so
yeah it’s It’s definitely just a Yeah we could I I could talk about this a bit longer because the timing of everything and that was strange but like it’s just I think I think we fit it pretty well um someone just had a quick question here uh Lachlan just wants to know could you explain what bird rights are um just for those that might not know
yeah for sure um so and then I’ll segue back to answering your THJ question because I think there’s one or two things that worth hitting on um so basically bird rights exist so that teams can um teams that have had a player for a certain amount of time can pay them more and pay them over the cap to keep them
um we won’t go into why it’s called it’s a Larry the Larry Bird rule you know but it’s it’s a thing right so it basically lets teams go over the cap to sign their players and so basically how it works is if you had a player for one year only one year so that’s what Beasley signed is a one-year deal you have what’s called non bird rights which is a silly name but you have non-bird rights which still actually allows you to sign them over the cap for what it’s worth it’s just a very small amount um and I think it’s like it’s like 5% you can give them a 5% raise or something like that um and I’m sorry I’m butchering right now because I’m it’s not on the top of my head um I have to look it up so when I do it I have to because there’s a bunch of stipulations and weirdness to it but so Nonberg rights is you can give him a small raise over the cap but you’re limited to how many years and how much the raises are it’s kind of like signing him as a free agent but you can do it over the cap um Oh did we get a Jiren Jackson extension
let’s let’s pause there let’s look into that so I’m just adding it to the ticker right now but five years 240 million
okay so that’s a renegotiate and extend so that means that they had to create more cap room to get him so that probably means another deal is happening um or has happened already with some with Aldama or somebody else
um
well let’s see there’s been a lot of questions about Santi coming through which we’ll get to in a moment
yeah so we’ll keep an eye on this um player option okay yeah yeah so it’s a renegotiation and extension so for people what that means is basically and this goes back to the bird rights thing so when you have bird rights there it allows you to sign players based on their previous contract and so in in Jiren’s example you can only give us like a certain amount raise it’s like 30% i think they just they recently upped it in the new CBA i think maybe it’s 40% now um off of the previous salary so because he had that declining deal he was only getting paid $23 million this year memphis had to find a way to create cap room to to give him more money this year so that they could extend him at a number that he actually want and so that’s where like the declining the declining um contracts everyone loves them but then if they’re actually turn out really good it can be really hard to extend a player so you either have to let them hit free agency or you have to create cap room to get up there they’ve people have done this pacers did this miles Turner um so it’s it’s kind of an interesting mechanism that teams use but I don’t remember what Memphis’s cap situation looked like right before this but I don’t think they had quite made enough room to do this previously and so um so we’ll see what happens
interesting
that’s very interesting well um was there something you just wanted to add on THJ and then we’ll get into all the the new names and some questions yeah that’s great um yeah so second if you have a player for two years you get early bird rights which is which allows you to do like 175% of a player’s salary or 105% of the um previous sal or the league average salary with 8% raises so that’s another benefit of the bird rice you can give them more raises versus if you’re signing a free agent you can only give them a maximum of 5% raises year-over-year um and then full bird rises once you’ve had a player for three years so the Pistons have full bird rights on THJ which means they can sign him over the cap for as much as his maxes with the max ext with the max raises um and so they can also use him as a trade exception or kind of they can sign and trade him to another team to bring back $27 million in salary roughly and so so that’s a potential for THJ this off season just quickly on the TSA if they were to resign him does it make sense to wait until you’ve done other deals and leave it
it doesn’t really matter they stay over the cap it doesn’t matter um
okay cool got they might wait and see because if it were
Yeah
this Pistons Turkey shout out pistons have to wait i think they need to sign Kyle free agency might be shaking i’ll take a vet and get waved right away that’s fine i’ll take a cool $2 million um but go ahead
sorry to cut you off aldama has agreed to a threeyear $52 million deal to return to the Grizzlies so Pistons fans that is uh probably some unfortunate news that was I was we’re going to chat about him very shortly and he was the name I was kind of hopeful for considering Nikil Alexander Walker seems to be going to the Hawks but uh yeah I’m going to add this to the ticker but Kyle any thoughts three years 52.5 million to return to the Grizzlies yeah that I mean that seems about the right number um I was definitely projecting the Pistons would have to be around 18 to 20 to pry him away um per year um yeah and I mean again I’m trying to There must be other moves um to to get enough cap room i think there they probably have to have be dumping somebody um to get that but this was always kind of the the most likely scenario um was that he stays and they because I like that pairing especially with Edy going out and being injured like it doesn’t surprise me that they didn’t trade their sevenfooters that No that is a great point um because I think he’s out for at least the first couple of months of the season it sounds like with a foot in I think it was a foot injury or something so that’s a really good point that’s probably an injury that does shift things a little bit for them um so ah
yeah and I think I think I think Aldama like the only way Aldama was leaving is if he wanted to leave you know what I mean like he could have left they have restricted free agent so they don’t have like he was a little bit limited um but this isn’t entirely surprising sad i wanted him badly but
it is it is sad i mean the the more recent so the Pistons were obviously always linked to him in the sense of like they’re looking for a stretch big and they among like a few teams but the more recent stuff that I read signaled like that Alama was more likely staying than going so
I’m not surprised i’m I’m more so probably yeah just sad because I was I had I still like restricted free agency i’ll be honest like you never truly do believe it’s going to happen because of it but I I was hopeful i was hopeful so that’s a big name I know for a lot of Pistons fans i haven’t checked the chat yet but I can probably already tell people are going to be pretty upset or angry um but can you even recall the last time we saw a restricted free agent change teams like a first round pick santi was
not off the top of my head not off the top of my head no um and usually it was the team signs them and then trades him
um which I guess technically this still could be the could be the thing
um it’s not over right technically this would be a a sign and trade
um that hasn’t been announced yet
um because people are scared of looking like tampering um and I will say this number what was it it was was it three
352 yeah yeah
okay let me double check this real quick okay so technically just for what it’s worth this number does work with a tech signin trade going out so still fits in that max amount that they can create if like
so it could technically still be a sign and trade
so Pistons next I can see is in the chat here he actually commented on Twitter he wanted us to talk about how that tech uh contract can work in a trade let’s just use this Santiama deal as a potential sign and trade how would that work um okay sorry i’m just checking keeping up to get on my notifications um yeah so how that would work um okay this is Okay this is fascinating okay so I’ll try to I’ll start with tech but I’ll get into why this I’m going to get myself excited for no reason is really what’s about to happen um so Tech makes $8.3 million next year and because there again whenever you do trade one of the ways you can do some salary matching is this year the number actually increased um to um sorry my brain the number actually increases now with the cap so it used to it used to be you could add $7.5 million to between se if you’re sending out $7.5 million to $19 million in salary you can add $7.5 million to that and bring that much money back this year it actually started increasing with the percentage of the cap so now it’s like 8.5 instead of 7.5 so that means by sending out tech alone you can bring back about $16.8 million in salary for this year and so they could in theory in an Aldama situation dump tech to another team um like the Nets or into someone’s trade you know exception whatever and then bring in in a signin trade bring in Aldama at 16.8 $.8 million this year which is actually would be a three-year $53 million contract so it’s again we’re just under that number um and that would be and that would be enough to satisfy the salary matching rules and then what that would do is actually create $11 million which is exactly almost exactly what the the Grizzlies need to extend Jiren Jackson because they need it they still need to cut $10 million in cap and that needs to happen before these other things happen and so they will but if it’s a if it Aldom is actually going out in a trade that would actually satisfy that so they can extend him if they’re not taking money back in um
so Trevor so Keith Smith just on the back of what you’re talking about um as well this is back to Memphis a little bit but Trevor says Keith Smith was reporting that 80 million will need to be clear from the Grizzlies to give them space to give Jiren his contract so
assuming that’s that’s because they’re assuming um Aldama Aldama getting signed if like right now Aldama hasn’t been signed yet so it’s really only 10 because he’s got a cap because Aldama has a capold for 11 million right now
and so how he’s getting that number is we’re he’s getting a $7 million raise and so they need to do all this thing so essentially as long as from my understanding as long as they send out $10 million in cap room then they can sign they can extend and sign JJ and then they can over the cap sign Aldama um so unless again they unless they sign and trade him then he sends him out cap hold goes away now you’re back under by 10 million then you can give Jiren his extension it’s probably not going to be that and I’m getting myself excited for no reason but that’s actually the exact number that the Pistons could could bring him in at um if they send out tech in a deal got you okay this Thank Thank goodness you’re on the show with me because this is all this is this stuff is insane just quickly very quick aside when did you first start learning the cap what what’s NBA season do you remember
it’s a great question how long has it taken you to get to this point where like I can just throw some random bit of info at you and you’re like you just know the cap holds and you’re just cooking yeah i think maybe 2015 16 season was the first time I started doing the like cuz Detroit Bad Boys would do that like mock off season in the comments thing they’d have like a fan post with a Mac off season and I would start playing around with that and realize half the things I was trying to do weren’t legal um or didn’t really have a chance to do and so that definitely started it um man that’s a really good question i don’t remember maybe someone else knows who’s been following me for some time when did I actually start tweeting out stuff about the salary cap i honestly it’s probably only a couple years when I really started um I guess it been right before we started home court probably too like it was probably maybe the season before that
where I really like Go ahead
no no I was just going to say I was expecting it was a bit longer but I guess that that was like three or four years ago now it was 2022 I think um okay let’s jump back into it so Adama it feels like it’s a very very slim chance he’s signed and traded to the Pistons um yeah it’s still possible right now but it’s slim yeah
so just on that I’m seeing a little bit of stuff on Twitter um just people saying “Why didn’t Traan make them match a bigger offer sheet?” Uh essentially implying that that’s bad bad like bad from Traan and the Pistons finals not to do that i’m assuming there might be a reason for that well yeah so there’s a few reasons one it seems like it didn’t even get to that point um right Alama if Aldama signed rather quickly um so so that’s one thing secondly most of the time teams don’t really even submit an offer sheet at this point if you want the guy you you say this you call the team say “This is what we want to pay him let’s make this a sign and trade everyone wins um because if you were to offer an offer sheet the clock on those don’t even start until July 6th but your money gets held there like you can’t spend that money
and so if they were to offer him offer him and and they could only offer him the the non- tax MLE right they they can’t even if they would have cleared all their space they could have offered them 16.9 million this year which is basically maybe three or four million more dollars at the end over those three years so that’s why typically it turns into a signing trade because then you’re not having your money locked up for eight days because then they still have 24 or 40 they have 24 hours to to reply and to match um and so
yeah and a player Pistons X said this and I I was about to say “Yeah Pist and the players have to actually agree to this to the offer sheet you know.” So like
Yeah and then once you’ve once they’ve accepted the offer sheet that team cannot trade for him for a year like if they if it gets accepted and matched and so there’s a lot of rules against that so if they really want to go to Detroit say “Hey I really want to go to Detroit can we make this work?” work and then the Pistons give them how many second round picks it takes to work um got you
so that’s kind of that’s the that’s good
that’s the why
no no thank Thank you for that uh so uh another deal uh Dorian Finny Smith has agreed to a 4-year $53 million deal with the Rockets so um
so they got the non too much of a surprise
is that the non tax
that’s the non- tax yep yeah that was that’s been they’ve been rumor rumoring that that smoke there’s been smoke on that all day today and then the last couple days wow the Rockets i’m glad glad they’re in the West they are let’s So they’ve just got KD they’ve got Man they got Dorian Smith then their young guys yeah they’ve uh they probably had the best off season so far haven’t they would you say
yeah i mean
it’s definitely been good
the value that they’ve had they created for the things they need for sure yeah
first
sorry to cut you off first Pistons deal big ball paul back to the Pistons two years $11 million deal
$11 million what
across two years so that’s what’s the minimum minimum’s like two and a half for him so it’s a slight it’s it’s above the minimum wow okay sorry excuse me i’m trying to order my dinner real quick
no you’re good i’ll I’ll talk for a little
of course we get Pistons news as soon as I try to order dinner
this I’ll just quickly give my thoughts i’m a little bit surprised because and feel free to jump in and anyone tell me if I’m completely wrong but this kind of signals that he’s back as the third big so the Pistons I mean I guess it doesn’t rule out another stretch big at all but like you said they’ve gone above the minimum to bring him back they’ve given him a raise of sorts uh so I’m kind of surprised i I I I liked what Ball brought to the court but I think it’s more about the lack of size the Pistons had that kind of is a bit of a concern for me in bringing him back because now I feel like our front court is still very undized and if we have an injury um look Paul’s a solid player i’m not I’m not it’s not so much about his skill set it’s more about like just the size and I guess yeah I guess the skill set a little bit because he isn’t a stretch big either um I’m a little bit surprised by this i’m a little bit surprised that uh they’re
bringing him back even though it’s not because I think he was poor like I I I enjoyed him last season yeah for sure and it looks like so I’m trying to figure out now a little bit um how they did this um I’m trying to figure out if they can with his non bird rights if they could um I’m sorry I’m just I’m moving my mic so I can use my hands better so let me know if there’s any audio issues but we should be we should be okay here we still all good yeah it might be a little quieter than it was before but um sorry this is great this is great TV guys i’m sorry um
No no that’s good um I’m just going to see what the chat Paul Reed let’s go paul Reed 5.5 okay it seems like the chats chat’s not too bad with this um sorry Kyle you might have said it but I was doing all over the shop what would the minimum be annually um so the minimum minimum for him was um where is this i need to make my Here we go um I think the minimum for him is like 2.3 million and so what I’m trying to figure out um is did they use his nonbird rights oh no they would have full bird rights for him because they traded for him from the 76ers um
okay
sorry let me go in here i should have I didn’t I didn’t have Paul Reed being the first one signed on my bingo card
um I honestly have very little time that’s fine we’re good
paul Reed let’s see yeah oh non bird rights oh yeah because they waved him earlier so I’m trying to think if they might have used the bite so they either use the bannual exception or as non bird rights here um and that’s what I’m trying to figure out um okay um let’s see 120% of his previous salary which was 2.1 I think look
yeah so likely they we had to use the by annual I think
okay
which means they’re an overthe cap team they’re opportunity
how does that affect okay because I think the next question everyone’s going to have is how much cap space do they have left now does this affect that 16 to 17 million they had
it well yes it would basically mean if they use the if they use the um the bianual exception they can’t use cap room they are staying over the cap otherwise this would directly come out of their cap room which would be then putting them down to like 11 something okay so does that mean how much would they have now to offer some of these other names namely Alexander Walker and Carous the same as they did before because they were either going to use the non- taxpayer MLE or they were going to use a sign and trade with another player
okay gotcha and uh Amari Sanca great pest can saying that second year is non-g guaranteed great yeah that makes sense
so that means
and the reason why the banual exception has to be a two-year deal too so that’s why I’m suspecting it is like it it can’t be more than two years so I’m suspecting this is indeed the banual exception okay yeah cool just gonna try and move this mic just bear with me yeah all right hopefully that’s okay um okay this is not the first deal I was expecting um I will say I am slight ever so the tiniest bit um I don’t know what the word is but Nikil Alexander Walker let’s maybe talk about him for a minute because he still hasn’t been signed by the Hawks and it feels like he was that that was the landing spot um what what kind of deal do you think what would a deal look like for the Pistons to sign Alexander Walker um Lewis here asked this very early on in the show yeah that’s a great question um so for Nquil Alexander Walker it kind of depends it seems like there’s a few there’s a few things at play the Hawks have like a they have I think it’s $23 million trade exception maybe 25 um
yeah so that basically means that they can sign him for the first year starting at $23 million and take him right off the the Timberwolves hands in a signing trade and maybe send back some picks um whereas the Pistons can only do that with 14.1 million just in terms of like the straight up we can sign him with using our exception and then it wouldn’t even be a sign and trade it could just be we can just sign him outright with this um whereas the Hawks can’t do that um however um because we talked about that before like the signing trade with tech they can get they can get up to like 16.8 million for example if they send out Shruder to the Kings with for the for that non-t taxpayer number at 14.1 million they can bring back they can sign him to up to about $22.8 million contract so roughly the same as what Atlanta can do it’s just a little more tricky because then Schroeder has to be okay with it the Kings have to be okay with it and yeah NAW needs to be okay with it so those are trickier but functionally the Pistons can get to the same number whatever the Hawks can do it’s just harder for them to do that
or I would say it’s more complicated not harder complicated
um so with all that being said I think the the the Timberwolves really aren’t going to pay him anything so it’s it’s really just a matter of beating the Hawks number or giving him a better role right so that’s a thing where it’s like “Hey we can only give you 20 million or we only want to give you 20 million but we can offer you 30 minutes a night and be the functional six-man or starter depending on what we do with Ivy.”
Um so like so that’s kind of where I don’t know what that number is i would be hesitant to pay him more than $20 million a year i don’t think he’s shown that he is
I don’t think he’s shown that yet um and I would and I I guess the question I have and we I talked about this last night with Q and maybe offline with some other people is I like Nil Alexander Walker but are you bringing him in to start and if you’re not like does he really help you coming off the bench as your sixth man with you know Ron and THJ presumably now rather than Beasley because you’re probably bringing back THJ for something
yeah just to have more shooting um so I think that’s the question starts yeah you’re right that so there is a lot of overlap because I don’t think any of I don’t want to start playing the four i don’t I think that actually like you lose some what if he brings defensively ron I don’t think can play the four none of those guys can play the four so you pretty much have like you said Kade Ivy Alexander Walker Ron Assar and THJ/Basley all filling those minutes from one to three and I just think I think I tweeted out you could do it but it’s it does get really tricky and because it comes back to how if you’re investing that much in Alexander Walker you want him I’m okay with paying him $18 million to come off the bench i think that’s actually fine for a really good role player but you want it with that type of salary
you’re going to want 25 plus minutes I would feel like and that’s where it gets a bit cluttered but um yeah I look still I still like want them to sign him it just it it does like you said leave other questions like the Ivy thing does is still a question even though I don’t think it means they would trade him or anything it’s just Yeah it is a little bit crowded yeah I think that’s where like even people asking like why are we talking about Nikquil Alexander Walker starting we’re talking about free agency and we’re talking about paying a guy big money now again 20 million is is the new is the new 15 right like we have to start thinking percentage of the cap 20 million is not a ton um but then you’re but then it’s a conversation about minutes right and and we’re already talking about Cade and Ivy and then Assar sometimes will get some minutes of the two ron could also be a two three like and if you’re bringing back THJ um you’re starting to talk about well is a guy going to want to sign here because he has to he has to want to come here in free agency so it’s like you’re gonna you have to have something to offer to him yes you can offer him $20 million but most guys maybe will take $20 million to play 15 minutes a night but that’s just that’s probably not very good business um like for him or for the team
and so I think that’s where the conversation goes well what where does he fit and part of the reason why we’re talking about starting is because like he’s not a he’s not a point guard and so if you’re going to bring him in as the backup too does he give you enough shooting to warrant that with the lineup in the way we’ve seen them use THJ and Beasley
um yeah so I think that’s where some of the conversation starts to happen because Ivy remember Ivy sat the last 30 like only played the first 30 games but and that was before Asar
and THJ started next to Ivy at the three which was crazy but Assar is not losing his starting position to THJ anymore
and if Ivy’s starting then the question is do we have enough shooting in the the starting lineup and then what do we do with the bench so that’s where the that’s I think and I think I
figured out but
yeah and I think I probably I know when I reacted to the news and I like I don’t think I’ve thought about how little like that there was like a week where Ivy and Assar were able to play minutes but Assar was still coming back so he wasn’t even close to being a starter at that point so there was never that time where the THJ kind of always fit in that starting group there’s always a need for him because of the injuries that happened in the middle of the year but um I do just want to quickly just while we’re talking about Alexander Walker so Brett Seagull from Clutch Points um just tweeted out Rockets are out on the kill Alexander Walker clippers are viewed as a long shot it’s still between Atlanta and Detroit so um I think Brett that he’s a pretty credible source I feel like especially in the last 12 months so um
Oh yeah and that makes sense they don’t have they don’t have a way to get him
they just use their they just use their non- taxpayer on DFS like
so either they’re trading someone else to do that but like so that makes sense i’m not saying that it’s good to confirm that but that makes sense
um I think the other thing to just keep in mind and again this could be just me reading the situation yeah i wonder if the front office prefers Ivy as their super six-man first guy off the bench in the featured ben bench score
that’s not a bad role for him especially as he’s coming back from injury
like do they see him in that role um as a better fit rather than being next to Kade especially with Assar and Duran already in the lineup and I know I got fried for this on Twitter like he shoots 40% from three blah blah blah like yes but there’s context to that he’s super streaky and and he doesn’t right now have the gravity of a 40% three-point shooter that could come right but we saw what happened when THJ Oh oh Lavia is going to the Lakers
that was the one I was holding out for only two year 12 million oh my goodness that’s painful that’s painful pissing um that’s yeah I look I don’t know if the Pistons if there’s ever actually interest reported it was more Laravia said he wanted to come to the Pistons but he definitely seemed like a nice um low guy to get Where’s my stream um okay i know P okay because I I feel like Pistons fans now going to be panicking yeah we just I mean we got to take a deep breath the two the two big names these are two of the two of the guys that definitely would have been excited about for sure um
and Lorravia was my backup plan if if if Aldama didn’t come through um yeah
that’s definitely a bummer
um so okay let’s I think we’ve covered Alexander Walker for the time being and what that can look like jake Clarabia um are you surprised at that’s all it took two years so two years 12 million
they basically gave him from what I can tell just enough that they the Kings couldn’t pay him because the Kings could only pay him 5.1 million this year so it looks like they probably it looks like they gave him six million like flat or like just enough to I think it’s that might be their by annual exception potentially that the Lakers just opened up when they lost DFS so I’m wondering if that’s that’s the Paul Reed deal like
it’s the exact it’s about was what was Paul’s 11 but yeah basically
yeah 11 but it’s a but you know I mean like it’s
that’s a half mill that’s basically the maybe they didn’t give Paul the full bianual or whatever however they structured it but um yeah that’s crazy um
I know um
that’s all it took I thought I thought he was going to do I thought he was going to be worth at least eight million a year
but Um well I mean that was that Can you talk us through sorry if you already said this there’s just a million things going on was that probably the maximum the Kings could offer him
what was that there was a weird thing with That’s why the Grizzlies it was weird they traded him or something
the Grizzly The Grizzlies decided not to pick up his um his fifth play like his option at the last year and so there’s a rule that you can only sign him for up to that number um including if you trade for him
so like so even the inheriting team could not
could not sign him for more than that and so that’s kind of
where that why that happened
gotcha all right well that was another name so with Aldama gone Lorraia gone the names I still have remaining on my list as kind of likely targets are Duncan Robinson Nikil Alexander Walker and Carris Levert um there’s also Luke Canard who apparently the Pistons were rumored to be potentially interested in um but yeah two of the bigger names for Pistons fans off the board so far um sorry chat i’m trying to keep up with all this but there’s a lot going on so we we will go to you guys at some point but appreciate everyone jumping on um I just hope everyone’s not panicking too much i I mean I don’t think the Loravia one was probably a lot more realistic than Santi in happening so that one I can see why that stings a little bit um he does seem like that type of like bo player that you get and then just comes in and I could see him being really good with the Pistons to be honest in that backup four roll
um
if that number the 12 million the 12 million for Lavia doesn’t look like it will work for the bianual so I’m curious if they had like I’m curious what that’s where that’s coming in maybe they only gave him part of the non- taxpayer that they had um so that could be another way they’re doing it
which I’m nervous i’m seeing some people are telling me that even that 11 million is slightly too high for the by annual so hopefully that’s just rounding okay
because it should be like a 10.5 million so
rounding
we’ll see um
just rounding in the the tweet yeah I’m hoping but we’ll see um because if not that makes me more nervous honestly because if if they didn’t use the bianual I don’t think the non bird I don’t think the non-bird rights work for that so then I’m it’s like either they’re pulling from their non- taxpayer to do that or they’re actually going under the cap and renouncing everybody and they just blew $5 million in cap room on Paul Reed so we’ll see there’s a lot more to go um but
a lot more to go well we’re nearly an hour in yeah and not a lot has happened
no I said an hour and a half but I can’t believe we’re already nearly an hour in this has flown by yeah this is this is how this is how it goes on free agency day this will be continue to be probably hopping until 2 am Eastern time so uh mini recap once again in case anyone has just joined us so uh the Pistons have resigned Paul Reed to 2 years 11 million we’re hoping that’s with the the bianual is that correct Kyle
hopefully
final exception okay we’re hoping that hasn’t used their cap space um the big names off the board so far are Jake Laravia big names for the Pistons jake Laravia two years 12 million going back to the Kings santi Dama uh 3 years 52.5 million going back to the Grizzlies and he will stay there i believe Shams mentioned that they’re gonna trade out Cole Anthony to make that salary work that was for the Jiren Jackson Jr thing but yeah so um
that’s a lot of money for Paul Anthony to give up i don’t know how they’re going to do that but we’ll see i believe they’re reporting but that feels like a lot so yes
i don’t know how that’s going to work today um okay maybe Kyle Duncan Robinson can you just talk us through his situation what uh what he did with the Heat and Yeah how the Pistons could maybe acquire him because there’ve been interest there reported yeah so Dunc Duncan Robinson declined his player option with the Heat for $20 million because and this is the big important thing is because only like 9 million of that was guaranteed so everyone was freaking out oh no he’s going to want $20 million what no
he wants more than $9 million so if you can if you can get him for a number that gets him more guaranteed money than $9 million he’s you know going to be happy most likely that was to sign a longerterm deal with the Heat and stay there but technically the Pistons could give him all or part of that mid-level exception um and and sign him with that um and then all the same sign and trade things apply as before um and so I think if you could if he can get three for 36 I think that probably is in the ballpark of what he’s worth um as a purely movement shooter um but I think as much as he sucks on defense if you don’t have Beasley around like and we just saw how valuable that was to have a movement shooter um that’s probably from a team standpoint functionally going to be more helpful than what else is available at this point right i would have said I would have said at the beginning of this Aldama is priority number one um Laravia is maybe number two um Nikquille Alexander Walker is better than Duncan Robinson I think yes
I think
but but Robinson might fill a bigger role or bigger need so yeah i think I think I would value the defense um and I know I I’m with you on the spacing um and yeah losing Beasley is going to be very almost impossible to replicate um but yeah it’s Duncan Robinson like he just it just doesn’t excite me i’m not going to lie as much as if not there we desperately need to shoot like I would rather just bring back Tim Hardway Jr i know we need that other shooter but
I don’t know maybe that’s where we’re at where we have to get that true second shooter he’s going to be Duncan Robinson he does move well off the ball like I know when we play Miami like I’m always watching him fly around off handoffs like a team working well with JD there um Stu maybe but it’s Yeah there’s some clear weaknesses on the defensive side that scare me a little yeah and I think that’s where I mean he’s he’s no worse than Beasley defensively but Beasley was historic last year shooting right so this is that would be a
we’re just trying to make up for for some missing pieces and again maybe you just stick with THJ in that point because at least he tries on defense so maybe you don’t go that route and you say “Okay T we bring THJ back on you know reasonable deal or my favorite bring him back on a massive one-year overpay so that at the trade deadline if Booker decides he’s done playing with all those young guys out in Phoenix you have another salary that you can send out that’s not Tobias.” Um and so I think that’s where the Pistons too if I’m the Pistons I’m talking I’m saying “Hey here’s the number we’ll bring you back at or we can give you this one-year overpay and let’s see what we need to do.” Um like kind of see how things shake out because basically I’m going to give him whatever he wants up into the tax line so if I’m I if I can get him up to that 22$24 million maybe more just as a one-year overpay to be matching salary then he will expire that’s a good asset to have and he’s he’s happy because he’s getting paid more than he would anyway um and gets to hit free agency next summer again when a bunch of teams are going to have cap room
and so I think that’s kind of my at this point that was my like most likely scenario is they bring most guys back they maybe sign one more guy and then overpay THJ to have cap flexibility at the trade deadline and into next summer that’s I think what most likely is going to happen at this point yeah it’s Yeah I are we How are you just feeling at this very very moment purely as a fan Kyle just underwhelmed and our inspiration yeah um underwhelmed mostly because you know it’s you we get excited about this and as a cap nerd especially like I I’m I want to see the wheeling and dealing i want to be able to to to to look at all this um and and to see all of the guys that could even the reasonable targets be immediately off the board just like I’m glad we know now but it’s definitely a little bit of kick in the pants you know you’re kind of just
Yeah i don’t think there’s been anyone signed yet other than maybe Dorian Finny Smith that that we were actually in on so it’s like what is you know
um and I think shout out to underwhelmed is the perfect word i’m a little bit underwhelmed yeah oh yeah that was crazy did you guys remember I just saw this posted do you remember when when Jake Laravia went on the front office show and
and Allison Reeves was literally in the car with Lorravia oh
like he literally did he did the whole interview with from the front office show and then at the end showed that Austin Rubes was driving the car that he was in they were going to work out together
so no surprise that he’s on the Lakers but um I got a question here this was from much earlier so I’ll rephrase that a little bit um this is that Shawn for Real Athos 17 and Sha okay very long username there but is it possible to sign Alexander Walker sign and or trade for Alama let’s just replace Alarmama with like another potential player around the mid level um and then sign Beasley maybe let’s forget about the Beasley part for now just the first half there can they sign Alexander Walker and still pull off a signing trade for a player of around 14 to 15 million yeah I think yes that’s totally doable and totally possible well I guess it depends on if Bball Paul is actually fitting into the bannual if he’s not then a lot of things go out the window um and so I’m I’m a little still waiting to hear back on that i asked Amari to see if he could confirm Um and then um sorry I’m actually
No you’re good
so yes the the answer is yes okay so I think do you think there could be something here where Trajan is waiting for Alexander Walker to make a decision do you think that could be holding things up a little bit um it’s probably less that they’re trying to make weight on his decision and more it’s going to be a three-team trade either way if they sign and trade for for him if they want if he wants more than the non- taxpayer um and so either they’re still negotiating on that number and he’s waiting to see if he can get more than the mid level and then if he is then it’s okay we need to let’s they’re negotiating with the Kings to send Schroeder there so they can do like so I’m guessing that Alex Alexander Walker deal is not going to be like it’ll take a little long longer to do because even if he’s going to Atlanta it’s still a trade that needs to happen and technically signing trades you couldn’t have even negotiated those until starting an hour ago um and so the optics of a signin trade being announced this early is very bad
um and causes investigation so I think that’s part of what
um part of what you’re what you’re the timing of it
no no that’s a very good point um we’ve just got another player heading back to their team Trey Jones three years 24 million back to the Bulls pistons fans if you’re feeling a bit underwhelmed at least you’re not a Bulls fan let’s just let’s just all all admit that like did you see that graphic the other day showing what they got for those for Caruso Lonzo Rosen and Levine
they got their own first back a whole heap of just mid rotation players and a couple of seconds um so uh yeah Trey Jones heading back to the Bulls i don’t think there was any interest there from the Pistons i am interested to see i don’t think it’s likely at all but I know last off season the Pistons I think at least offered Tyus Jones a contract but he obviously went to the Suns on a minimum I believe and that didn’t work out for him but um I don’t know i wonder if Tion kicks the tires on that again a bit later in free agency well the problem is if they just use the by annual to sign Paul Reed you’re not going to be able to give him more than the minimum again
um okay well there you go so so we’ll see it could could be the case but again if if they’re not willing to pay Schroeder to come be the backup like I don’t think they’re probably you know I mean like it’ll be interesting to see how that gets viewed
um
no no that makes sense
well there’s a relative break in the action
okay go ahead
okay so YouTube user wanted this is from Amari I believe youtube users telling me that Jack read the above from Amari for Carl Bal exception which allows
I think he was talking about the source oh okay okay
yeah he was answering some yeah I saw the report from Amari um like that the second year is non-G guaranteed which is great um you can do that with the bianual too
um so that doesn’t give us any more information it’s just a matter of
is the reporting rounding up from 10 and a half to 11 for some reason okay and if not how are they making the mechanism to do that um we haven’t seen any of them renouncing anybody we haven’t seen anything about really anything and so unless the non-bird rights can get him for more than I’m expecting maybe the number is higher with non-bird rights and I just don’t I’m missing a rule um because I think because I think the bianual is only 105% of the the minimum um either their last salary or the minimum and I think so we’ll see we’ll see what what it is there’s just still questionable but yeah got you sorry I think I cut you off before will you Did you want to bring something up no I’m going to I’m going to hop off for like 10 seconds and grab my food and then I’ll be right back
go for it absolutely go for it uh I’m going to go through some of the chat here uh so we got D’Angelo Russell has just I think this is no secret deandre Russell heading to the Mavs two years 13 million $13 million deal um and guys just quickly I just want to make sure is my audio solid let me know if it isn’t um just because I got the microphone here i think it should be okay but let me know if there’s any issues there um hey shout out to my man Cody hope you’re doing well brother bruce Baron reunion wouldn’t be against it at this point yeah i mean Cody what what role do you think he would would play like is Bruce more of a two or is he more of a three these days um I haven’t really checked in appreciate you guys on the uh the audio um Um Yeah Bruce Brown like very useful role player defensively i wonder if I mean I guess if the Pistons are the only offer on the table he would come back i feel like he doesn’t like Detroit but new front office and all that kind of thing um Ronald McDonald says Jack has a porn star name and stuff appreciate it all right i’m glad that I’m glad you guys can hear me okay um so what do we got i’m just going up through the chat here what do we got nicholas Stone how you doing my friend what do you guys think about getting Aaron Coffee as a backup point guard didn’t he play that position also going back to Trey Lars um oh I can see Carl’s just come back let me add him up uh so I don’t know who Aaron Coffeeoffe is maybe you’re talking about air coffee that’s the only player I can think of plays for the Clippers um don’t have too many thoughts on him but Trey Lyles I actually had Trey L as a name here as a last ditch attempt at getting a stretch big um or a backup four backup five uh if the Pistons couldn’t get Aldama or some of these other names which is way things have played out so far feels like Trey Lars could be a stretch big option um so I don’t actually like if depending on how other moves go if Trey did end up with Trey Lars as the stretch big option obviously it’s not the exciting name we would be hoping for but I think he could play some sort of role there i haven’t checked in on Trey Lars i’m not sure if he’s completely washed but I know he was decent for the Kings at least in their their playoff year in 2022 or three um but that was two years ago now um Carl what did you get for dinner what are we eating chick-fil-a chick-fil-a you know yes i
sponsor us sponsor us sponsor Pistons Jack get Let’s get some Chick-fil-A in Australia you know what i still Oh we got a Oh we got a trade here so we we Okay Sham’s breaking the de the Denver Nuggets are trading Michael Porter Jr and an unprotected 2032 first round pick to the Nets for Cam Johnson wow okay wow
that’s not bad that’s a good deal i’m I’m very intrigued on the Nets side for some reason what i think Michael Porter is definitely a better player than Cam Johnson or has been um and you’re getting a pick with it so they’re getting a pick that’s a salary the Denver Nuggets so was MPJ
Cam Johnson makes cuz cuz Cam Johnson makes significantly less
so they’re saving you money to get under the second apron i think that’s I think that’s the the idea okay so this is a Okay so this is a money saving kind of thing i mean Cam Johnson’s solid player who helps them a lot still a really good role player but MPJ is definitely
right they get a guy who plays a similar role for much cheaper and
okay
um so that’s kind of that
all right let’s go into fake trade mode here
okay is there any way the Pistons could get MPJ i know you’ve in the past done a lot of I feel like I’ve seen you in the past do a lot of MPJ trades to the Pistons uh how could this is there any way it doesn’t seem like a treasure move at all to go get an injury-prone type player but he would fill a need of some sort of shooting let’s go look
is there any way the Pistons can make it happen um does this need to do some quick math no while you’re doing that I’m going to just bring up Porter Junior’s numbers um and just see how he went last year because I remember him starting the season really well i thought maybe that I know he was injured in the playoffs maybe I’m uh thinking wrong sorry
they’d have to It would have to be like THJ signin trade plus tech plus Sasser I think to get to the number his salary for this year so it wouldn’t be it would not be the easiest thing unless again it’s a THJ signing trade and they and they’re sending Schroeder to the Kings they do a double signing trade thing
um that would be more than enough to get there again super complicated yeah um all right and there’s been so Tai Jerome lots going on now tai Jerome 3 years 28 million to the Grizzlies yeah that was that was uh rumored earlier from Fiser
okay gotcha
yeah so that was and then he immediately was like “Well there’s other teams.” So he almost screwed the pooch early cuz that was like an hour before free agency
um
Gotcha does that does that affect their
like how does that work though with the are they using their midle on him
um yeah I’m not sure how they’re doing that
but yeah it would probably be the non- taxpayer midle
um gotcha
yeah yep that’s what that looks like now I did see um I was double checking this but the um the taxpayer midlevel is 5.685 million so if the Pistons are planning to go into the tax this year they’re they could be using that to sign Bball Paul which would mean maybe they’re going and signing for you know trading for Lorie Markin and deciding to push into the tax this year
oh wow
that’s my hopeful view of the future we’re going to we’re going to go with that for now instead of just they somehow use Cap room to sign football can I get your thoughts though just because obviously when Trajan did that pre-draft uh press conference it was he did anything like everything he said was like we’re not doing a whole lot do you think that’s cuz I felt like from his press do you think like that’s him being genuine or that’s just mind games well not mind games but just smoke screens obviously I think it was mostly genuine because the way I read that was we’re not going to um we’re not going to canvas the league to to make big offers on players we’re going to see who’s available read the market and make a move if something makes sense and we’re going to bring back a couple of our guys and just run it back now that was before maybe we don’t have Beasley and now Schroeder is definitely going to the Kings um which I think was just reported um and so that might force his hand right where it’s like okay well we can go get Duncan Robinson or we can try to push in for Trey Murphy and have to push some trips in because we’re not going to be able to run it back with the the roster that we need to have
right is he gonna be able to see is he gonna see Nikil Alexander Walker and Duncan Robinson as enough of additions to to tread water in the East and not take a big step back and if that’s and if that’s not the case he might say “Okay well maybe we need to be more aggressive maybe we do offer Jaylen Duran and Sasser for Austin Reefs right maybe we do like try to make a bigger splash.” Um so I think that’s we’re just in a new world than we were when he made that press conference again most likely they are going to keep it simple because it’s hard to pivot that quickly
with this some of this stuff but
yeah I don’t know it’ll be interesting but yeah technically technically it could be the taxpayer mid-level which would be crazy i don’t even know how they’re going to get into the tax quite frankly they would have to sign and trade THJ and Schroeder bring in NAW on a $20 million deal and go trade for Lori Markin in using Tobias’s salary and you know there would have to be a lot of moves to get there but pipeline or pipe dreams right now well it looks like show to the Kings um Fred Katz from the Athletic tweeting that one out no just
yet
yeah that’s what I was going to say so no details on that
do the the Kings two if they offered the two years 30 million would that be pretty much their their mid level
yeah okay got you yep um so
so holding out hope that that’s a signing trade and that Detroit can get something back
or swing that into a deal for Nikquil Alexander Walker well let’s see yeah Alexander Walker is still on the board there’s been nothing about him that I can see and we are an hour and 12 in but like you said that is because of the sign and trade probably needed so um ah a lot of Pistons Twitter seems to be melting down i’m trying to recall I last off season I remember being pretty underwhelmed i like the Tobias signing i always like that but the THJ trade I wasn’t like mad at but I wasn’t excited about um and then Beasley truthfully like I it was just like a okay another shoot up so I’m never I’m never going to lose my mind too much on the first week of her agency but yeah I was hoping to maybe see someone added by now right and I think the the Detroit Lions GM it’s a different sport so I don’t like making this comparison too much yeah but he says “We’re trying to win in December not April.” Meaning we’re not trying to win the offseason we’re trying to win the Super Bowl and so I think that’s kind of the similar like you can win the headlines or you can like you know just get better and I think that’s one thing that at least Tion did last year he didn’t win a lot of the headlines it was uh underwhelming on paper but then we had one of the best signings in the league in Beasley and and they pulled the right pieces in and so I think we just can’t and I do think a healthy Ivy does make a difference um it may not make the difference that some people think it will and we may see that okay he was part of the problem potentially chem like lineup wise and unlocking the offense but maybe he won’t be and maybe he takes another leap forward and he shows that he can be the number two or at least a good player next to Kade and and that is enough to continue to keep them competitive in an east that’s getting better um so but yeah
yeah and I think even the Ron
Go ahead
the Ron Holland pick as well last season wasn’t like one that people were overly excited about like I think people who studied the draft saw the potential but on the most part like that was a bit of a surprise pick at five um so no I like that anal that saying no about the headlines because that’s what this time of the year is um so I like I’m with you like obviously it’s exciting i want to see them sign Alexander Walker i would have loved to see them sign Alama but at the end of the day um I think you brought it up at the top of the show pretty much like Ron Holland needs more minutes like I don’t think he’s going to be a 10 minutes a game player next season i don’t think that’s what we want if he is that’ll be because he hasn’t progressed but I think most of the fan base is is bought in on him so he’s going to be playing closer to 20 minutes a night i would expect if he takes um you know develops so yeah look the Beasley thing is obviously concerning that sucks the timing of it’s horrible um he was kind of the one vet I think everyone wanted back i don’t know anyone that didn’t want him back so that has thrown a huge spanner in the works i understand that but um ultimately I think all the growth is going to come from our young guys um
yeah yeah I mean Beasley Beasley coming back was the lock was the lock like I planned all of all of my scenarios were
the new T the taxpayer mid-level is Beasley’s to have that’s it and so everyone else is going to fall in line and it’s going to have to be signing trades so that’s my entire you know all the stuff I was putting together all offseason and I think Traan I thought they would already know about it but it sounds more and more as the more reporting comes out it’s like no they were surprised by this in a way that at least the timing of it all
so now if it all results in them getting Beasley on a minim minimum contract and he ends up being and he ends up being available to play again like you know that’s
there are worse things for the Pistons that’s what I would that’s the scenario I kept playing out in my head is like hang on the Pistons could still kind of there’s a world where this works for them we get Beasley back on a year once again looking a contract year all over again um I think so Randall brought it up here bruce Brown’s heading back to the Nuggets one-year deal i don’t think it says the value of the contract but um
it doesn’t but that makes sense with sending out So basically what the what the Nuggets just did was they made they turned MPJ into two two rotation level players because they they traded him away and made space under that apron to bring in um to bring in Bruce Brown
they and they would be they would still be under that apron for sure
bring
I think so and and they’re not capped by it I don’t think so they can kind of do what they need to even if they go over I think
yeah all right another one has just come through oh Cavan Looney for the Pelicans troy still adding those centers two years 16 million
that sucks low key um that kind of that kind of kills any that that kind of kills any Duran to the Pelicans for uh
for Murray deals not that that was likely to happen anyway but that was my that was my other back pocket and we dangle Jaylen Durn and Jaden Ivy to Troy and say “Give us Tre Murphy you didn’t even draft him.” And um I mean I was hoping that kind of kills that
even like so let’s the Pelicans now i think Derek Queen’s a center someone correct me if I’m wrong but then they’ve they’ve got uh Eve Mey I think who was a rookie last season kevon Looney so three centers i guess that’s not too bad we’ll probably add another one though how How have you felt watching the Pelicans make moves in the past two weeks sad that we haven’t taken advantage of them i must admit I’ve had it like it’s been kind of funny to be on the other side of it i saw someone say um it might have been coup tweeted out like watching the Pelicans fan base go through that stage of like it’s all good Troy got his guy like the way you justify his moves and you lose on the margins and then over time you realize like what you like the way you’re rationalizing it with him getting his guy all the stuff it’s cost you and the flexibility i mean that’s why we didn’t have that pick this year um but yeah that’s that’s hilarious the DMV stuff as well yeah I haven’t gone to look to see if Kevin Looney is from the DMV or not should I I’m gonna I’m gonna look it up i’m just going to look up Kevin Looney let’s see where he’s from uh he’s from Milwaukee that’s not That’s not DMV dmv is like the Washington area isn’t it
yeah uh DC Maryland Virginia
dc yeah um let’s
All right i’m going to do a quick go through some names here that are still on the board uh so we’ve got once again names that I’ve seen linked to the Pistons in some capacity nikil Alexander Walker Caris Levert Duncan Robinson all still on the board other free agents to watch for that are still available brook Lopez Clint Capella uh we can cross off Bruce Brown now he’s gone luke Canard Mo Wagner Al Hawford Jay Lyles Tyus Jones those are the names I kind of have um and then we’ve still got obviously Tim Hardaway Junior Dennis Schroeders off the board it looks like so someone did ask us very simple question Lucas who is your favorite free agent target for the Pistons did you have one are they still on the board uh they’re not on the board anymore um Robinson I guess I guess Robinson is left
um yeah
as the best fit in my opinion
i mean Nquille Alexander Walker is definitely up there like I think he’s a good player
um so I’m definitely not um I don’t hate that move i’m just curious to see how it plays out
kobe White is on the trade block for the Bulls not a free agent but Kobe White’s making like 12 million 12.8 million this year um on his last year he’s $12.8 million expiring
i think that could be a solid pickup for Detroit um
I mean
depending on the price if you hit him for a few seconds yeah I think he was I think it might have been the season before last after the all break he was going crazy and he was solid last year as well he was good i wonder do you think that if that if they pull off some sort of trade there do you think that affects Ivy or do you think Kade Ivy Kobe can actually be a three guard rotation
i mean if you think co if you think Ivy can play with Kade then Kobe can play with Cade
oh yeah
and then question is
can Ivy and Kobe coexist maybe not but then you just stagger them and you make it work um the Bulls only want a rotation player big ball or something
i mean yeah well they can take him right into the the the non- taxpayer mid-level if they want to his salary is small enough that they can fit him right in and they don’t have to take any they don’t have to send anybody back they can just send some second round picks
um or you know I wouldn’t trade a first for him necessarily but yeah um but if you can if you can send I would send four second round picks for him probably you know he’s he’s a guy who can hit his get his own bucket right and can carry the offensive load a little bit with Cade
um and I don’t think he’s terrible on defense so
and the Pistons as well they have a we have a boatload of seconds don’t we we’re actually
Yeah we’re like plus eight plus eight or something like that
plus eight on top of all the ones that we already have so I I think that’s I think that’s where we’re at um I wouldn’t mind that um I think to answer the actual question my I will be Yeah Alexander Walker is definitely the one the player I want aldarmama was right up there as well even though I knew that was unlikely just because he was restricted um but if I had to pick another player Don Robinson just I guess like he does fill a lot of needs but it’s just doesn’t move me that much for some reason you know what i don’t think it’s going to happen now because of Paul Reed but I honestly wouldn’t have minded Mo Wagner vagna sorry I should say
yeah I don’t think he was ever leaving he was they like they
he declined it to reup with them or something like that they they like Yeah it was definitely uh
it was to get him more long-term money like he was never leaving Orlando
yeah no I that that makes a lot of sense um I mean I guess Okay if it’s out of Luke Canard and Duncan Robinson who would you prefer oh Duncan Robinson not even close
yes same yeah I’m taking the six foot eight guy even if the defense is suspect as well and he plays Canard can’t hardly play for
like
great point actually
yeah he can hardly ever stay healthy um Ryan says here Buddy healed is Buddy a free for agent
i don’t think I saw him i don’t think I saw him on the list let me
Yeah I feel like he think he’s uh for those that might have missed it thank you Ryan K for the Bucks oh yeah
yeah the Warriors he’s
He is still on the Warriors for two more years so
yeah got you um yeah I didn’t think I saw him in the list um okay this is um it’s been interesting i’m I feel like we’re going to we have to get some something else for the our Pistons here uh Luke Luke Oh wow luke Cornet four years 41 million to the Spurs wow wow
i thought he was going to be back at the Celtics yeah yeah I don’t think they could afford to keep him but that’s the other Oh yeah jordan Clark Jordan Clarkson um is a potential name to keep now that he’s a free agent um I think that could be a potential uh Schroeder replacement or just have another scoring punch off the bench um no he
and then
Oh he could like definitely he’s definitely I don’t he’s not the shooter Beasley is but in terms of being a guy that like the other thing I think Malik did would would just come in and be instant offense like he’d often come in and have go like an 80 run I do think Clarkson could fill that void in a different way um but so I look I feel like a lot of these players none of them are going to be perfect clarkson I could see genuinely helping win some big quarters and maybe a game or two i wouldn’t be completely opposed to it yeah yeah i I think he could be a potential like second wave um second wave reagent guy um let’s circle back real quick um now that the dust is starting to settle would you rather have Anthony Simons than Duncan Robinson if you can sign and trade THJ to the Celtics for for Anthony Simons and some second round picks yeah I actually would i think he can do he can create a bit more like I I think he would be I I mean obviously he’s a lot more undersized than Duncan um but I think like what he can do off the dribble and that kind of thing yeah I would much prefer him than the other shooting options
what would be in that for the Celtics though just the the cap space out
um basically the way that would have to work is you sign THJ to a $19.4 million deal um with two years non-G guaranteed after so you could you could do a flat 19.4 you can do decreasing salary whatever the last two years being fully non-G guaranteed so it’s essentially uh it’s essentially an expiring or they can use it it’s almost better than an expiry because then they have the optionality to turn him into a trade chip the next summer when they’re ready to to trade for a bigger salary again um and guarantee as much as little as they want then you could take back Simon’s $27 million salary it would save them $8.5 million this year um and then they don’t have because Simons needs an ext like he’s going to need resigned he’s on an expiring
um and so then they don’t have to deal with that they save eight and a half million dollars this year which is a lot of money for their tax purposes too um and then they have a guy who plays every game who can who can be there um again if THA would have to want to go to Boston which I think he would um especially if he’s getting paid $19 million um and so and then you get they get off of Simons they they were shopping Simons anyway so my guess my point is he’s not in their the cards for them um that’s kind of the benefit is you get off of the eight and a half million this year and then you have a trade you have a non-g guaranteed trade piece that you can use next summer when to Tatum is healthy and you can push back in so then they can go back and trade for they can go get $27 million in salary as the Celtics come back in so it it it would be it would be beneficial and then you give them some seconds to make it to make them happy
no that makes sense and and
now it may not be enough someone else might pay more but that’s the the idea
no no i I like it we got another Okay we’ll come back to this in a sec but uh Clint Capella 3 years 21.5 million to the Rockets what
so what do they how does that mean um because they got DFS i don’t know how they’re doing that unless they had a Did they have a um I don’t know because they signed DFS so I want they might have a trade exception and maybe it’s a signin trade i’m not sure um
let me just double check i’m I’m a Piston I’m a Pistons Twitter guru guy so I I do have some some idea of the league the league around here but I don’t really know
all of their cap minations so hell yeah i mean I certainly don’t have any idea i’m just surprised i thought after the DFS deal that would be like them kind of done in a way so yeah everyone asking where are they getting all this money from um so the Rocket they’ve had I feel like obviously two off seasons ago they added Fred Van Bleet Dylan Brooks that was a big offseason for them now they seem to just having another big off season i guess they moved on from Jaylen Green but you’re bringing in KD um yeah I’m I don’t know where they’re finding that money from i’m assuming someone will tweet it out soon yeah well in some of this too it’s like they’re getting their deal but not
Oh go ahead
sorry i’m sorry to cut you off laz made a good point l Jackson just said they have Steven Adams as well so they’ve got something they must be doing something adams Capella Shangon shangun’s on a max extension
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maybe Jabari’s come to Detroit y’all never that they’re definitely doing something that that doesn’t make sense to have like Capella and Adams makes no sense at the at the the money they’ve signed for also just note there has been nothing that’s on the Schroer going to the Kings there’s been no information about what that deal is so that tells me it’s probably a signing trade or there’s still more to come just just to keep an eye on for us weren’t freaking out just I realized that we had to talk about Here we go carris Levert is a Piston
oh gross oh so that means So that means
Where are you
crosses two names off at once shams i hate this i absolutely hate this um wow so there two years 29 million so is that the that’s the midlevel
yeah I’m double checking on that number um
Okay
yeah that’s the that’s two years of the of the mid level okay all right i I don’t know how I feel about this i I’ll be very honest i have never ever ever liked Caros just me like I mean before there was ever any Pistons rumors obviously like because of the he went to Michigan like there’s always been like
trades over the years on stuff that people have like put together bringing back but um yeah okay I don’t know let’s look at the positives i’m gonna go through some positives first or do you want to maybe I’ll let you talk about the actual financial part of it first just like go over it quickly for everyone watching because I’ll let you cook on that even if it only takes 10 seconds um I mean technically this still could be an under the cap thing but that would be weird with what they did with Paul Reed um unless they’re dumping tech to do that but then that’s like why so um I I will say I might actually lose it if Paul Reed was not the bianual exception like that might push me over the edge from like a Michael Blackstone supposed to be this cap genius and if they couldn’t get Paul Reed to agree to a deal that was $500,000 cheaper to fit into by annual exception like I will seriously question what’s what’s going on in the front office and maybe that’s an overreaction no no that’s
we won’t know that until more more deals settle we’ll know when when more of these deals settle but the carousel vert number is almost exactly the two years of the the non- tax so that’s most likely what it is
um
okay
it still keeps all those sign and trade options open for other things but from a roster standpoint you’re probably not going to get Alexander Walker like that would feel redundant um
there’s no way yeah there’s Yeah
sorry I keep cutting you off i’ll let you talk
you’re good no you’re good you’re good uh I think that puts a line through Nquille for sure there’s too much overlap now well yeah and then almost tell me that they want Ron Holland to play the four ron’s for Jabari unless I hope we’re getting Jabari uh but it feels like we are I don’t know i I am very interested to see what the Rockets do we’ll say that um apologies i’m just multitasking here chat oh come let me get this off um okay yeah that that Paul Reed thing I’m very whilst I fully don’t still understand exactly what you’re talking about I still going to be interested to see how that plays out because that’s like a confidence in the front office thing if it’s not what you are saying cuz basically in order to go under the cap to get these guys like you’re you’re you’re waving everybody else which maybe that’s functionally what’s going to happen anyway so
Mhm
it probably doesn’t matter a whole lot i mean look if we’re being if we’re being honest it felt like this was going to happen like everything in the past 24 hours was pointing to this happening so uh I’m not I’m not shocked but it was there was there was I had I held out hope that Alexander Walker was going to be the move i I don’t think it makes much sense now that that would happen um but I think maybe I’ll just start some positives i do think he can help with shot creation i do think that’s one thing he’s good at uh and I do think I think he’s around 65 66 like he’s been in the league now for a while i do think he could be pretty decent defensively like not nothing nothing close to a true 3 and D wing but I do think he’s a guy that um has some size and can help a little bit on defensive end um I guess KL are you are you surprised that it was the the full mid level or the that’s what it took yeah I’m surprised who else the market was was in for him yeah um now again I I’m been one of the biggest beaters of this drum having tradable contracts at a certain size is important and necessary so quibbling over a 2 million or you know here or there it’s not worth it probably in this because you’re not going to use that on anybody else with with the MLE anyway
that’s a great
So like giving him the full MLE is just the way you do it you build trust there you build rapport you have money that you can spend later um and and this does feel like the the Pistons are having to pivot hard and so this was what was available and they’re kind of overpaying a little bit for that um we’ll see i could be wrong man like
yeah the shot creation could be helpful i just feel like where are you going to get the shooting from like that’s my question at this point
i will say
you don’t really have a backup four
yeah no Carris is definitely he’s not the shooter if Beasley or Tim Hardway Jr but he did take five and a half threes a game last season shot 38% so like I think earlier in his career he was not a three-point shooter um he was much more of like a mid-range guy but I think he has rounded into like a decent three-point shooter no like just want to reiterate nowhere near on the level or volume of like a TJ or Beasley but I do think like teams aren’t going to leave him open like he’s going to constantly be defended there but yeah it’s definitely not uh like if we look at like I honestly think he’s if you look at the numbers he’s the same level of shooter as Nikil Alexander Walker just based purely on like attempts and percentage last season that’s interesting i don’t think I need that um but I guess so the difference is Nikquille Nquille is a better defender and Caris is a better on ball creator so that’s the difference
but yeah and obviously Nquille’s younger so like you imagine there’s more upside i think that for me was like the appeal um whereas Caris is like he’d have to be in his 30s now I feel like
so um that’s like he’s just a known commodity now um but I look I think yeah I think I know a lot of people aren’t going to like this deal i’ve never really been a big fan of Caris Levert like I we I said but um I do think like he can help like I I don’t think this is just a complete like horrible deal and he’s not going to contribute it’s just probably not what we all wanted and we’re hoping for right yeah and I think again this is this is a pivot of a pivot right this is this is option C and they’re getting it done before they’re left holding the bag and not spending all their resources
um it’s never a Yeah anyway um I don’t want to get too far into that um Paul Reed right off the bat too could I mean maybe signal they’re confident what they have at the four or there’s no one else they like enough to to pull in
um that’s definitely a possibility um yeah there’s a lot more to go and and I think we need to you know
yeah let’s Well let’s maybe So now that they have used a mid level what’s some of the moves they have left yeah there’s still a lot left that can that they can do um let’s see um just to kind of reorient myself here real quick um
yeah no problem
we’ve got essentially we’ve got uh another like a backup two three so like we’ve got a a on ball creator um especially if if you think Ivy this this definitely puts Ivy firmly in the starting two guard position right now um right so it’s saying this is our backup
um that’s fine um they still have um the uh Schroeder thing hasn’t been resolved yet um we don’t see numbers on that we don’t know the details so that that could still be a sign and trade to bring in up to $22 million
um $22.8 million salary
so um in a signin trade so that could be Duncan Robinson that could still be Alexander Walker if they’re doing something weird with Ivy um you know that could be something okay um
and then they still have Aldama aldama or not Aldama jesus um Fonteo um they were
great point
there’s rumors to like that they were trying to get off of Fonteo and again they can sign and trade Fontio into space again with MPJ going to the Nets they’re eating up a lot of their cap room so there’s there’s still not a lot left but if tech goes out in a deal they can bring back a $16.8 million player so there’s still moves there’s still lots of things that can happen and then you still have THJ um that can get moved so they still have several players and salaries of different sizes that they can use to go make a deal should they choose to
um yeah so we’ll see now they’re all again those all require other teams to be involved and we’ll see what happens with that um but there are definitely mechanisms to still make moves okay okay so there’s still some things that could happen it feels like though this is the big the big signing feels like it yeah give me five minutes i’m gonna I’ll be right back
yeah no problem let’s jump in the chat and see how the how people are feeling um I’m going to have to dig into some Carth film and that kind of stuff over the next couple of days before I have a a really major opinion on this but let’s just go through the chat see how everyone is feeling josh I puked uh Devon hope you’re well my friend what have you said can’t talk but solid pick up beasley kind of screwed us but better defender and still solid sixman i agree i look I think what Caris can bring is some shot creation um some much needed shot creation mind you um and he has developed into like a better three-point shooter like earlier in his career he was around 32 31% but in his past uh where are we looking here oh wait the stats are really up here so last season he shot 37% from three on 4.5 attempts um and then he shot season before that in Cleveland he was only 33% on four attempts but then the season before that he was close to 40% so look definitely not an elite three-point shooter but I do think he’s a guy that’s going to knock them down from uh deep especially when he’s open i don’t think he’s going to be this uh a player that teams can’t defend i’m just trying to find his percentages here in the mid-range because I feel like that’s where he can be pretty useful for the Pistons yeah 40% on the mid-range which is really solid um 45% so I think the creation stuff I think he can pass a little bit definitely not like a playmaker by any means but three four assists uh on his career um and then when we talk about on the defensive side he’s 6’6 so uh Beasley and THJ are around that 6’4 65 so a little bit taller so I think he can if you have him at the three it’s probably a little bit undersized but um as Brandon says here he’s a three and D wing with bad D and not a great three you can get a few assists i think he’s he’s okay defensively i don’t think he’s a negative i think to be honest he’s probably going to give you a little bit more there than Beasley and THJ not that that’s the bar we should be looking at necessarily but um and I think he will knock down his open threes oh looks like we got Kyle back and he’s back um I will be honest so far some most the chat is not overly excited about Caris Lever but that that’s to be expected a lot of
Yeah i mean we I mean when we thought when we thought we were getting potentially a true three and D wing or a a big upgrade at the four a true sevenfooter that could put the ball on the floor and score you know like that’s going to move the need a lot more than this um who honestly feels like he got signed in part because he went to Michigan but maybe that’s just me um
do you think that stuff like is there anyone from Michigan though in the front office that’s no I don’t think so um but it sells tickets you know like it’s that’s they they’re 40 minutes away from Detroit where he went to played college ball and they already have THJ and
I’m not saying that’s a big motivator but that is stuff that can
you know they will definitely use it to sell tickets no for sure definitely oh 100% uh I forgot i’m just checking Twitter uh so Keith Smith here says Pistons could still go under the cap and sign Carous or that signing could come out of the non-T taxpayers mid-level detroit has flexibility to make their moves yeah which is which is definitely true um it’s still looking like mostly that those two things are their over-the cap mechanisms so they have another plan to again all they have to do is sign THJ to a big enough contract to keep them over the the cap to do that and they have movable salary which is probably the most likely thing that’s going to happen um but again if they’re taking back salary in a Schroeder signin trade um I believe I mean I think I tweeted this out earlier um they can take back um oh hold on um Brook Lopez two-year $18 million deal with the Clippers the Clippers i thought it was going to be Lakers there you go um I’m just updating my thing you know
oh yeah levert played for JB and Cleveland so that’s something to keep in mind um
I didn’t even think of that at all yeah i guess I guess that is that that is a positive I think
yeah so there’s familiar there’s there’s familiarity and the coach obviously signed off on him you know being
should we maybe being a player to bring in yeah I I didn’t think of that so that’s a good call
let’s quickly just I don’t know where I can find this so would spot track obviously it won’t have Okay I’m going to try and just do the Pistons current roster off top of my head
so back court
oh you’ve got it awesome yeah yeah i have my own spreadsheets you know i got to keep keep track of things
amazing this is why you’re the man all right so right now we have Kade Cunningham Jaden Ivy Assar Thompson um Tobias Harris Jaylen Duran that’s your presumed starting five
yep and then you have um Isaiah Stewart Sasser Fonteio Ron Holland Caris Levert and Bball Paul and Bobby Clintman those are all the players who are currently under contract contract okay
they still have THJ’s cap hold and Beasley’s cap hold and Lindy Waters cap hold which haven’t been announced as being renounced yet so um those are some So those are the three catapoles they have left currently yeah okay i’m not going to lie i feel almost a bit depressed saying this but if they can I wouldn’t I’m not going to be too mad if they sign Trey L here on a minimum at some point i know that probably won’t happen today but just as a shoe
he was a good player he was a good player and if he wants to come back I mean I I definitely don’t hate that like I know it’s a move no one’s going to be excited about but just looking at how things have played out so far not that I ever thought we’re going to get Brook Lopez but um with the stretch big market I’m like kind of not opposed to Trey L yeah that’s something that’s funny that it was so much was made about the like oh they’re looking for a stretch big blah blah blah and it’s like okay but where are they going to get one
like teams don’t let those guys just go
um if they’re any good and then you have Stu who was shooting at a good clip last year and like has shown over a couple years that can shoot it and they don’t they didn’t play him that way now maybe he wasn’t skilled enough to know where to pop too because they kind of made it sound like he was always in the way they didn’t like the looks they were getting when he popped versus when he rolled and so they they went away from it um in terms of the pick and roll aspect of it um and so yeah I just don’t know how much JB even uses that is kind of the question so yeah that’s not what’s happening at this point i think though um with Stu like I I I think we all want to see him shooting threes again but I still don’t think like I know he made improvements and like I still just don’t think he’s a guy though anyone was going to defend like he’s got to do it for a little like a couple of seasons in a row so but I do want to see him start shooting threes again but um if he’s just popping and no one’s really defending him or that kind of thing like I can see why maybe they just went “Let’s get you back in the post.” Um like if if Stu’s the only stretch
Yeah no if Stu is the only stretch big option next season like I don’t think we have a stretch big per se like I think he’s a guy that can knock open ones down like I think if your thinking is let’s just have Stew as our stretch big next season I I think we technically wouldn’t have one like that’s why I’m looking at Trey Lars or someone who can just come in and do it even if it’s only for 10 to 14 minutes a game right um well the Clippers the Clippers definitely um have a quite the start the center lineup you have Zubat coming in then you have you have Brook Lopez coming off the bench like that’s actually
that’s a good So he’s definitely not going to start there obviously so that’s interesting i I mean I he’s going to LA so I guess P’s probably never really had a chance i always thought he’d still want to start at this point in his career but maybe that wasn’t anywhere on the table for him well I’m holding out hope because I still haven’t
Oh no stop
this is not even
Okay listen if he was Troy Weaver Jr we would have already had Brook Lopez and and Clint Capella on this roster at this point and they would have still signed Bal Paul so let’s let’s let’s slow down a little bit on the the the Traanian hate because every move that Traan made last last season in the offseason was was a good one they won 30 more like everyone hated everyone hated the Tobias move last year i loved it personally and was asking for it at the deadline and everyone was like “Oh man this office is cooked it’s all still you know the Bartlestein whatever you know it’s like it was all the the ownership still got too many hands in da da da da you know like okay Tobias was a great move is exactly what they needed beasley was a great move exactly what they needed thj was helpful and played a bunch of games even though people were not excited about the value there people were underwhelmed last year too this is a different level and I’m with you i feel the same but for all we know like there’s a reason I’m sitting on no offense but there’s a reason why I’m sitting on with Jack and we’re talking about this on YouTube and not in the front office of Traion making the decision and so that doesn’t mean we don’t have any insight we know we can know ball and not be in the in the association but Levert my disdain for LeVvert has more to do with the fact that there was other moves that I was hoping they would make and that didn’t come through and so it feels like we’re settling which in some ways they are so you just hope that it’s the right kind of settling and it actually helps and it could you know he could be the right guy to continue to build the culture and be movable salary when it comes time to to need it um and the jury is still out like I said we still haven’t seen a lot of stuff so yeah that’s definitely the key point there is like we’re two hours into free agency so like I know there’s yeah we’ve we’ve used our mid level and it feels like you know all hope could be lost for some fans but there’s still plenty of stuff to play out there’s the Venta situation there’s the Dennis Schroeder thing what’s happening there signing trade plus there’s still holes in the roster players need to be signed so um and yeah I think as Ali said here most fans hated the moves last year so try like think just it’s all just give it time like I’m not I’m definitely not going to like I can see someone here saying we’re going to suck next year i don’t we are not going to suck next year we haven’t all
Cunningham
yeah like this isn’t with this young core like I I was even after the last Troy Weaver season like I was literally down so bad with even our young core cuz that season just killed me but like seriously we got Ivy coming back stu was injured in the playoffs like I I really do believe in our young core and I think it’s that is what everyone should be excited about that’s what’s going to take us to another level next year yes we still need to add some shooting and that kind of thing but I don’t think the types of moves that we see here are going to be the decider and if we’re winning playoff games next season or if we’re sorry yeah if we’re making the playoffs I think our young core is good enough in the in the East with the way it’s looking so
let’s address the John Colin questions because there’s a bunch of them and I know um
Camille like has been asking about that um and I don’t know if there are specific questions about it but like basically
no one there was one here
so Jeffrey said so this kind of addresses the two things trade from Turkey and a first for John Collins so
um I’m not trading a first for John Collins but yeah
yeah for what it’s worth there’s two reasons why that doesn’t work cuz one you’re not you’re not trading John for a first for John Collins you didn’t do that four years ago when he first got his name on the trade block second um Fontki is not enough he makes $26 million and so essentially that would also have to be a THJ signing trade situation which is even more hard because I don’t think he would want to go to Utah i don’t think they want him in Utah and so you’d have to send him somewhere he wants to be um and then have it be a three-teamer or you’re trading like Fonteo Sasser and um and doing the sign and trade with Schroeder i think it would take all of that to get to the right number so John Collins is hard to get to it’s a hard number to get to not impossible but hard um and I’m not giving up assets to do that um especially if they’re not taking on the full salary to like back i’m saying this is a salary dump i’ll take him off your hands so you don’t have to deal with him but you’re not trading assets real assets for him you might have to send some seconds to whatever team’s going to eat THJ or some of the other contracts to get it done and I don’t I don’t mind that um but you’re not trading real assets for him yeah um I was just updating the ticker here um but yeah the John Collins one is that that’s very interesting we’ll see what happens there i’m really intrigued because it feels like Fonteio’s like that’s a big p piece to play out here um is his contract is he 8 million flat
8.3 8.3 um I just I feel like he’s definitely going to be moved for something i don’t know what
they should definitely they should definitely try um we’ll we’ll see but if they don’t then he’s your backup four or you see if Ron can put on some weight and play at the four um
and then you just wait till the trade deadline
again I think that was always and I I’ve said this I think that was always going to be the more likely move
big trades are hard to do at the trade deadline but like that was always more likely was let’s see what we have with these young guys is give Ivy a chance to not to see if we can keep our winning like see if we can keep winning with Ivy in the lineup and really determine whether or not he like it was the spacing issue now he came down at the same time as Sar came in so like that’s what I’m saying they don’t know right i don’t I would not say that Ivy was the issue so that being all that being said like let’s let’s give him half a season see if this works out see if that if Kade can still operate in the half court the way he needs to with this lineup and then and then we try to make a move then um
yeah in a way it really feels like I feel like I’ we’ve said this a couple of summers but like the Ivy injury and not getting all that data of him not just in the regular season but playoffs it kind of would be like it pushes things back a little bit more because you still want to see him with Kade and Spacy see how that works right
we didn’t really get that some people will say “Well we have seen enough of it.” But I think clearly Trajan hasn’t seen enough of it or else I mean he could still move Ivy this off season but um we’ll see but it kind of pushes things back again because Ivy kind of is that that player that if the Pistons are looking to go on an all-in move it feels like he will be the one to be at the center of that maybe with Ron or I I don’t know maybe it’s Jaylen Dur or maybe it’s just Ivy and a heap of picks whatever but you’re kind of in this pattern where like like you said that’s why the next trade deadline could make more sense because you’ll have ideally 40 to 50 games of data by then of hopefully Ivy and Kade and if one of them gets injured then I yeah we’ll see obviously maybe they extend Ivy this summer do you have actually I know Tan the only thing he said about Duran and Ivy’s extensions is we’ll look into it later in the summer based off what we saw with Chabari Smith i think Ivy and Duran will be slightly more than that for sure
how are you feeling about that well uh I think I go back and forth on this i know we talked a little bit last time I jumped on the stream from what I’m hearing the likeliness of Ivy getting an extension done this summer is small um yeah just because I think he’s going to want to get paid more than the Pistons are willing to pay him um I think he’s looking at the Jaylen Green Jaylen Green contract and saying “I want that um at minimum.” Which I don’t hate necessarily especially if it’s the number and not the percentage of the cap because if it’s the number I totally can live with 33 million a year
for Ivy
yeah like for three years worst case if he’s bad then the following year you trade him not a big deal like scoring guards can can be moved um at that number it’s not terrible um if he wants percentage of the cap we’re talking almost $40 million a year and like average annual value over three years that a little different um and we’re seeing how hard Jaylen Green’s contract was to move as it was now I think he’s been better than than Jaylen Green and I think he’s been more consistent than Jaylen Green so of course that’s the floor um so I think that’s where I don’t see the Pistons necessarily feeling like they’re ready to make that commitment to him and I don’t think he’s going to budge on that number just because he got injured because injury isn’t one to expect to have like long-term effects like it wasn’t like an ACL it wasn’t anything like that it was a clean break it should be fine um Duran on the other hand I’m comfortable with Duran at $25 million a year you know I don’t love it because he’s not a defensive player he’s not a shooter so like the amount of big men that get paid that amount and actually live up to that that can’t do those things is very very minimal i think if they pay him that figure 25 that they are they do believe he can get there defensively he did grow in the second half of the year and I think I actually thought he was pretty solid in the playoffs like Cat exposed him but Cat’s like
cats that’s why Cat’s cat to be honest like Stu can guard Cat but that’s why Stew’s Stew to be honest right um new
Jake Fischer is reporting Atlanta Minnesota are in active conversations on a sight and trade for Neil Nil Alexander Walker at this point that’s not a surprise but yeah that’s that makes sense
you’ve been all over that
um so
Luca Garza I know yeah I saw that two year 5.5 fully guaranteed to the Boston Celtics shout out to Luca Gaza i I must admit watching him in summer league in 2021 I personally I did not think he’d still be in the NBA in 2025 signing a two-year deal so shout out to him shout out to Luca Gaza he he’s uh I think his dad Frank Gaza was always pretty good on Twitter as well so shout out to the Gaza family what was it 2 years 5.5 million fully guaranteed yeah basically basically the minimum okay um what else we got here so Alexander Walker is going to the Hawks it’s just a matter of what that trade is who else we got on the board i feel like they have to bring back Tim Hardaway Jr oh did I did we Who would you prefer Tim Hardaway Jr or Duncan Robinson i think I’m keeping THJ because of the like well one at this point to get Duncan Robinson you have to trade somebody else um which you could do that for Fontekia but then that just gets weird um you already have THJ in the building you have this bird right so you can give him that overpay and potentially move him at the deadline or do the whole thing again next summer right you could do the same thing so I’m keeping THJ for that reason yeah I I think I I really want THJ back now i’m not going to lie ba based off the Levert signing and what’s going on with Beasley he was kind of the the third on the list for me of the key vets but now he’s um because I think the thing with THJ like he I think he cops a lot of flack because he is like a streaky shooter but like he teams guard him to like a a crazy level like because of the volume and I actually thought he was like pretty solid in the playoffs he’s definitely better than Malik um so and I think that continuity factor as well bring him back and he’s good for the culture so um sorry if you’ve already done this Kyle but um if they resign THJ what are some of the options they have to bring him back just as a quick refresher
they have his full bird rights so they can sign him to any deal they want
okay okay and I think I asked you before but it doesn’t matter what time that won’t affect any cap space they have
if they stay over the cap no it will not and if they don’t then that gets really hard to bring him back um so but they will they’re going to do that to stay over the cap so they almost have to at this point to stay over the cap unless they make another move with Schroeder or whatever um okay all right let’s see what happens i think I’ve probably got another 10 to 15 minutes on here does that work for you Kyle let’s see what happens here whenever Whenever you have to bounce we can bounce and I’ll I’ll pivot to
you going to go jump over on stream just sitting on Twitter or see if coup will let me up we’ll see what we’ll see what happens you know
otherwise I’ll just be crashing out like everyone else on Twitter so uh so the Hawks have added Alexander Walker four years 62 million so 18 million per year I think that is uh prettyow mentioned that’s below what they could have done um for sure um because that’s 16 that’s like 15 and a half okay so yeah that’s I mean that’s a little more that’s just over the the non- taxpayer mid level that’s um well hold on is that right is that fizz that would be
You said it was 62 62 million
62 by 4 yeah
yeah um let’s see sorry my um where is this okay
teams definitely do guard t i’m telling you they do not leave him open
yeah they do no they don’t
do not leave him open
they do not yeah they don’t uh Stop where is this
i think uh I think the Hawks now Hawks and Rockets are going to be the two teams that everyone says and maybe the Grizzlies have done pretty well it feels like as well just based on what we’ve seen so far um you know maybe I’m a fool maybe I’m too biased the Hawks are definitely going to be better and I think they’re going to be right there with the Pistons but I’m still not like maybe it’s just because I just believe Kade’s that much better than any player they have i’m still not too like I’m not too concerned right
maybe I’m a fool though no I think they’ll be I mean they definitely will be harder to compete if they don’t make any more moves I think but I think they’re still we still have to see the Hawks actually put it together
um but yeah so to conf I can confirm so that 62 million is slightly more than the non- taxpayer so that’s basically what it was they offered him slightly more gave him four years he’ll fit into their trade exception um got you there we go he’s off the board i think that’s the only names I have now left officially where is it it’s pretty much Duncan Robinson that’s the last name I have that’s actually had any rumors or any links to the Pistons so we’ll see what happens there but guys in the chat if you have any questions um fire them in now because we’ll go we’ll go through some for the last 10 minutes here i’m scrolling trying to have a f a look but just make sure you put an actual question mark at the end so I can it’s easier for me to find them uh I did see one here about someone asked about Trey Man uh who I think was with the Hornets for some reason I thought Trey Man was under contract with the Hornets
they did not tender him a qualifying offer so he became an unrestricted free agent so he is available
oh okay he is available okay um interesting i feel like there’s a fair bit of overlap there with him and Lever even though he’s a smaller version um he’s definitely a guy that can get buckets but I’m I’m not like I don’t know he’s only 6’3 did shoot 40% from three i mean look I wouldn’t mind it at this point i just feel like as a shooter he’s he more needs a ball in his hands but um look I wouldn’t be opposed to it kind of surprised the cuz he was solid with the Hornets to start the season then got injured the fact they’ve moved on from him quickly i guess they did just add Canipple um who’s at that position i don’t mind it yeah no it’ll be um we’ve got some questions here so Sean more 3 and who are our current 3 and D players i would say Caris Levert is probably the only 3 and D we have right now um which
technically is one more than we had last year but uh I guess he’s not he’s probably not elite at either three or defense so I think that he’d be the only one close to that mob though kade probably anyone name Kade and Ste could technically be considered that but that’s more like pract like not really but yes
yeah um no look Kade for sure um what else uh Nagi says would Chris Paul be a decent addition if Sha ends up walking chris Paul staying in LA there’s no chance he’s coming to Detroit he would be good to pick up but he’s not coming he’s staying in LA all intents and purposes it looks like he’s going back to the Clippers
the Clippers okay i hadn’t really paid much attention to his situation like obviously the skill like he would fit clearly back a point guard but yeah I would imagine
Hustler Pistons can’t sign D’Angelo Russell because he already agreed with the Mavericks sorry oh yeah uh Brandon can we even get Duncan at the at the present or are we all the way cooked yes there are mechanisms to get him in a sign and trade at this point but that’s the only really way to do it um
unless Yeah Pekkio would be involved um either that or they could rope it into the Schroer deal or if Levert ends up being the sign and trade later down the line like then yes there’s yeah there’s still ways all right uh some more here cody Martin or THJ uh I think I’m THJ yeah um yeah THJ just because it gives you more flexibility moving forward um was Ty Jerome on the board didn’t hear guys talk about him but I don’t know how Memphis can do that yeah Memphis got him already um I think probably using their mid level once they do all their other other moves yeah but yeah no he he was not he was never really rumored to
or he was maybe slightly but
I think you were saying earlier as well Jake Fisher basically said that that deal was done earlier today um some people asking about Ball um I mean if they sign Ball I assume it’s a minimum but I think I just saw some betting odds that had the Pistons as a favorite bob doesn’t really seem like a Traian type of player but um
yeah hard yeah I don’t I don’t really know what what where Ball fits in in terms of the way the Pistons play but um I mean I guess it’d be a fun he’d be like the um Taco Fall type of player like when he would come in he’d be a bit of fun in a blowout but I I don’t think he’s helping the Pistons progress in the playoffs no and frankly I’d much rather give I’d much rather give Clinton more opportunities at that point than keep trying ball like
Yeah
that was I must I do think Bobby as well i I’m maybe interested to see obviously hopefully he plays well at summer league but I think the Pistons taking Chaz Laneir they were always probably going to take him but there was some other options there of like forwards and guys that could play in a similar role to Bobby that Pistons obviously didn’t select so I’m going to be interested to see like if there is a real investment to get Bobby to more NBA minutes this season um cuz last year he just barely played at all um which kind of made sense on a playoff team but be interesting to see what happens there uh any other questions guys okay Ryan who do you guys like for the backup PG spot now well I don’t know if they’re going to Have you ever felt like they were going to go out and sign a backup point guard even knowing you’re going to lose what’s his name dennis Schroeder
yeah Schroeder yeah I mean we talked about this earlier on the show um but I think they could still but it’ll be a minimum deal at this point um I thought they might use their bianual exception to to get a point guard at that like $5 million mark to get a higher level backup um but but they and Paul Reed so that just shows you what it whatever it tells you you can read into that but the reality is like last summer they were very comfortable going into the season without a true backup point guard and letting Ivy handle that letting Assari get some touches and so I think that’s the plan this year too and now you have Caris Levert who can also handle the ball so I think they feel like they’ve addressed that situation enough to where they’re probably if they do it it’s going to be a minimum guy um and maybe it’s Sasser can kind of do that still somewhat um so no I don’t think they’re going to go get another point guard they’ve already got five guards on the roster right um well four under contract no five with Caris Levert i mean he’s kind of a he can be a three as well but you know functionally they have five on the roster already and that’s not including THJ
who again they could still bring back because they need shooting they do not have enough shooting
um and so
we saw what K can do with shooting around him they’re not going to all of a sudden abandon that so so yeah they’re not probably going to do that
no you covered it well and B Levert as well like I we’ve spoken about it like he’s an onthe- ball guy too not a traditional playmaker but he is a guy that plays on the ball so I think whilst they don’t have a true backup point guard I think there’ll be guys there that do handle the ball whether or not that’s going to lead to success next season I guess we’ll find out but there is guys that can handle the ball there um and I’m with you i think I would much prefer to bring back THJ an act a shooter then probably add another point guard option at this point um there was a good there’s a question here I wanted to get to um I’ve lost it now ah Bradley’s asking “Any interest in Chris Buché as a stretch for with some room protection?” He did kill the Pistons in one game last season pistons still won but um yeah I mean maybe um I don’t hate it i think I’m more if if it’s if we’re at that level I think I’m more Trey Lars to be honest
i something about Buché like I feel like he’s just a bit like thin defensively like um I think I’d be probably more Yeah trey L
he’s like but maybe slightly okay
yeah yeah no that’s a good that’s a good comparison uh so Michael Scott from Hoops Hype is is reporting Tyus Jones and Shams is just Ty Jones agreed to a one-year $7 million deal with the Magic so that was probably the the biggest name for a backup point guard um left on the board apart from Chris Paul feels like so he’s he’s off to the Magic
um that’s a really good addition for them
um
yeah I mean the Magic are making moves for sure i think that’s the other side with you know everyone can make fun of the Pistons fans for crashing out two hours into free agency but the reality is we’ve watched
two teams that were below us
pushing like push some trip chips in i mean Atlanta’s not even having to push chips in really they’re just
having a great off seasonason they got to take advantage of the Pelicans and got you know Porzingis got better without giving much up you know and then and here the Pistons are fighting for table scraps over Caris Levert yeah no I
it’s understandable you know definitely no definitely i I I think the only people I push back on are like people who are saying we’re we suck like we’re not making the playoffs but yeah it’s it is frustrating to watch i maybe this is where we’ll kind of end it for now like do you think if what what do you think Trajan’s plan is for going all in why do you why do you think this isn’t the summer to go all in i guess
I think it has to be waiting yeah because I think the mechanisms to go all in are much more challenging this this summer because they don’t have a lot of their big money guys are expiring um and so like that was part of it um most of anything they’re going to have to do is signing and trading their own guys as like to send them back out um it also because Ivy you didn’t get a full season of Ivy you didn’t get a full season these guys so um it’s easier to trade guys when they’ve got their rookie extensions done because they can still be on reasonable deals but like match salary um so I think that’s why is because he doesn’t want to just trade all of his flexibility now and be stuck when they don’t really know um I mean the Pistons didn’t even win a playoff game a playoff series so like to say that they’re ready now to compete in a week east is not necess I mean it is kind of true but we don’t know that for sure and so I think that’s really why um you have proof of concept now you got to see if you can build on it and it’s just some unfortunate things leading up to it that kind of put a you know pop the balloon if you will um yeah so yeah I think that’s partly why um I think once if they get some extensions done you can see next summer being a summer they can move on things because they have matching salaries and guys that are maybe living up to it um but yeah it’s hard you have to remember all these teams had good players that they traded away so they had extra draft picks they had extra flexibility like there was things they teams you know the Magic drafted well and so they were able to trade guys and get extra picks and then all of the sudden you know they have the flexibility and the pieces now to go make a move to bring in their third best player whereas like the Pistons don’t even know who their second best player is yet so like you spend all your assets getting your number two yeah if you spend all your assets getting a number two it’s really hard to get the number three that you need
and so much easier to
No I It’s much easier to go out and trade I feel like for a number three once you know you’ve got your two guys like you need like and the Pistons I’m not saying I don’t think either of us are saying the number two’s not on the roster but we just don’t know for for a whole heap of reasons injuries poor front office from the past so um no I think those are all valid points and like yeah the the Beasley thing just absolutely sucks to be honest cuz it seems like like you were talking about earlier everyone was caught off guard by that yesterday um that’s why they pivoted to Caris Levert um but yeah I think that going back to like why hasn’t Tion gone all in i think you kind of hit it now on the head is like we still need to find out who that number two guy is um who’s it going to be
and we don’t and we don’t really know what archetype is best as the number two like that’s the other thing like we don’t really like they don’t have all that information and so
or the other the last the last thing I’ll say is between Ron and Assar
do you think one of those guys can be that and maybe Ivy can too but like I think that’s the question like Trajan has to think
that okay like we have to at least see if one of these guys can develop a jump shot or develop into a you know can Assar become a real offensive player a real two-way player or like he just has to be average offensively and be you know all defensive level player to be to be like the second best player on the team can Ron you know continue to develop defensively and develop a jump shot can he be a true number two scorer like those are the type of things that they need to figure out and if you bring in a bunch of guys that going to play over them you’ll never figure that out and then you’re like you know so I think while it’s disappointing and as we all want them to push the next level and be super competitive I get the process that he’s taking because look it’s probably not Ivy or Durn that’s going to be those guys it probably isn’t ron and and Ron and Assar are the two guys you actually have time this year to see if they can be that before you have to extend them we’re kind of already past that point for Ivy and Dur now it’s just a matter of can you bring them back on a reasonable deal and then see what happens um that’s just the reality i think that’s why we are um Matus has asked this a couple of times mets Kyle Mets the Levertio means we’re operating over the cap i think tech I mean that’s my read of the situation and I think it actually has more I think the um the deal for Paul Reed is actually more indicative or just as indicative that they’re going to be over the cap as the Levert deal but technically speaking they could make enough cap room to be under the cap and make all those deals that they did so it’s still unclear at this current moment but I’m assuming that they’re operating as over the cap team yeah all right thanks for answering that um all right there definitely I don’t think there’s been any more news or rumors um no it’s it’s slowed down i think I think this is the little probably breath that’s going to take and they’ll probably pick up again here um in a little bit because it’s only 5:30 on the East Coast or on the West Coast so
um all right all right
they might take a little dinner break right now and then start start doing things again here so um well okay let’s let’s end it here because while I’ve got you Kyle I want the people to hear your knowledge and wisdom are you able to summarize just kind of I know you’ve done it multiple times already but just before we wrap up and close off the stream just where the Pistons are at now obviously we know there’s Fonteo that was rumored to be traded um there’s still the Schroeder thing just maybe just summarize where you feel like the team is at right now in their free agency yeah so where we are right now um we we know that they have resigned Paul Reed to a 2-year 11 million contract hopefully it’s 10 and a half not 11 um and Caris Levert to a a 2-year um 2-year $29 million contract um which is basically most likely the non-t taxpayer so potentially they’ve used both of their their exceptions as an overthe cap team um one to bring back their own guy another to bring back to bring to bring in another ball handler slash big wing um and so they currently have uh 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 so they currently have 12 guys on the roster um
yep
which means they um if they were to go under the cap they don’t have any more cap holds the they’ve reached the like number before they have incomplete roster charges again I think they’re the over the cap team so 12 guys under under contract so they have three more spots plus three three two ways to fill tim Hardway Jr the cap hold is still intact but Beasley’s contract cap hold is still intact and so is Lindy Waters so they can bring those guys back to varying degrees um so still some flexibility you still have um Fonte had an $8.3 million contract that he can move be moved for players um so there’s lots of flexibility still ahead of them now whether or not they’re going to do anything with that it’s hard to say and then the other thing we don’t we’ve seen that um Schroeder has agreed to a contract with the Kings but we haven’t seen the details of that yet and so it’s not unlikely that that could be a sign and trade where the Pistons get at least an exception to use whether they can use the full um like added extra salary to get the 22 million they can at least get a $14 million player exception uh traded player exception to bring in another mid-level player um which would be useful um so that’s kind of where things stand currently and we’re just kind of watching to see where the chips fall um things that could and then there’s still the Ivy endurance extensions that will happen this summer um or could happen this summer so that’s something else we’re looking out for that stuff will likely get done after free agency kind of winds down um just because most of their their capital talking to agents will be with the free agents so at this point most of the stuff that’s going to happen is going to have to be through signing trades so any more Pistons news is likely going to be that
yeah gotcha okay no that’s great that’s I know that’s going to help a lot of people it’s certainly helped me i think that’s where we’re gonna we’re gonna end it for now um I think we’ve covered a lot of it um Kyle thank you so much for jumping on my friend no way I could do this show without you um everyone please go follow Kyle on Twitter Kyle Mets23 is it the same over on Blue Sky
yes
um but yeah really appreciate you man taking the time to uh do the stream to help me and and a lot of people tune in for sure and I’ll just add a little cliffhanger for whatever your next video is going to be schroeder it looks like there might be a sign in trade involving Monk Malik Monk so
oh god
it’s not it’s not it’s not it’s not it’s it’s rumor and I don’t know if it’s verified like I don’t know if it’s like how legit i’m just saying so watch watch your Twitter and maybe Jack will come on for a live reaction if that happens later so sorry I can’t you can’t throw this in because as soon as we were talking about No as as soon as we were talking about Dota signing trades Monk was the first player that came to mind but I’m like “Oh they just resigned him last off season like he would like that would be a big get.” I feel
I think that’s wishful thinking but I just saw it come by my timeline that maybe there’s some rumblings of that but again that might just be wishful thinking from some random Pistons accounts because I don’t know why that I don’t know why the Kings would do that
um so but hey that’d be great if that’s if that is
what it is so keep keep watching Twitter and I’m sure I’m sure Jack would do an emergency stream if if Malik Monk is is somehow Yeah
part of that deal
if some if something if something else big happens um we will uh I might DM you we might jump back on if you’re still awake but um no thank you to everyone for tuning in i really appreciate and Carl thank you so much man for spending two and a half hours up here chatting free agency appreciate
yeah hit those likes and subscribes guys let’s uh let’s let’s get that up here before we before we close it out
for for for Jack he does good stuff we want to make sure we’re supporting the supporting the content so I appreciate you man this is a lot of fun wish we had wish we had more exciting things to talk about but what we say we got a couple of deals
chew the meat out the bones right like we just got to enjoy life that’s exactly so oh okay i’m sorry i I know we’re trying to wrap this up i think I just saw what you’re talking about here some account called Run with Fox is that the one you saw that said
that’s the one and then I also see an Allen sorry go ahead so he’s saying sorry everyone in the chat so he’s saying seeing tons of people talking about it like Let me You know what i can’t close this stream without looking this up a bit more
we’re We’re junkies let me Let me see okay so this Matt George I know is a very valid person from the Kings a media person if what I was hearing this morning has any validity to it there’s a reason why the Sha signing hasn’t been confirmed i believe it’s 100% happening but the Kings are working for more and how they sign is part of it oh okay that was from like 40 minutes ago
well and that may not even mean Malik Monk is coming back to Detroit that could mean they’re trying to move Malik Monk to another team
and bringing Sher into that rather than using their mid level
so that’s probably more what that means yeah I think and yeah I think that’s what that means
all right well let’s if something happens there I I’ll probably jump back up on here and we’ll uh we’ll break it down but yeah thanks again Kyle we actually are wrapping up this time if you if you guys could like subscribe
uh all just helps the channel keep growing but appreciate you Carl and everyone in the chat sorry I didn’t get to as many questions it’s been a hectic show trying to keep up with everything but seriously appreciate everyone who’s tuned in it’s definitely been the biggest live stream we’ve ever done over here so thanks again to Kyle that’s going to do it guys um enjoy the rest of your free agency night peace
peace
Welcome back to Pistons Jack Chats — your weekly home for all things Detroit Pistons.
In this special Free Agency Livestream, I’m joined by Kyle Metz to react to the latest buzz around the Pistons’ offseason.
We break down:
🔍 Detroit’s salary cap flexibility and options
📝 Key free agent targets like Alexander-Walker, Aldama, & Duncan Robinson
❗ Decisions looming on Tim Hardaway Jr., Dennis Schroder, and Malik Beasley
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4 comments
I hope there’s more moves. Tre Mann and emoni bates at the very least
Bye Beasley, bye Schroeder, hello Caris LeVert
Yall call these major moves
There called Bird rights because if my memory serves me Larry Bird was the first to do this? I'm pretty positive but if anyone can back me up on this, I'd appreciate it.