Did the Colorado Avalanche miss out in NHL Free Agency | DNVR Avalanche Podcast

Did the Colorado Avalanche miss out in NHL Free Agency | DNVR Avalanche Podcast

Heat. Heat. Welcome in to the DNVR Avalanche podcast. We’ve got Big E, we’ve got AJ, we’ve got Rudo coming to you live. Are we Are we officially in July? officially. I feel like there’s still enough free agency stuff that could happen that maybe not, but we might officially be in Jul. I don’t know what to tell you on that one. I mean, we are going to spend a lot of our show talking about like Joe Valeno. Yeah. Like John Merrill, Kevin Rooney, you know, it’s pretty gelist. uh there’s like type of conversation one or two guys left that are real players. Not that those aren’t real players, but maybe you would consider playing above the fourth line. Yeah. Right. Um it’s not a lot. It’s not a lot. Uh we’ll get into that in a little bit. Uh first news of the day, not a whole lot going on, but abs related news. Now, former skills coach Toby Peterson is taking the head coaching job in the AHL for Dallas for the Texas Stars. Uh, neat in Look, I I don’t Good luck to him. Wish him nothing but the best except for that I hate the Texas Stars, but that’s fine. Uh the interesting conversation here is we’ve seen the ABS move on from the majority of their AHL staff and now some other other coaches or whatever you want to call these development guys, skills coaches, whatever. We’ve seen a significant number of them move on from the organization this offseason. Is is there a particular reason why you guys think that is or is it just the normal cycles of an NHL team? I’ll give you this. I’ll mop it out. No, you want me to go first? Yeah, I have this one. Yeah. Um, here’s my here’s what I find strange. You know, and again, we’re not in the room, so we’re never we’re not going to argue. Um, you know, what what what’s the level of interest of some people that were there that were considered? What’s their uh qualifications? What are they looking for? when you’re when you’re looking for a coach, I mean, you obviously you you dress up a a profile of what you’re looking for, right? Um, my only concern, and again, like I said, I’m not saying that the guys are not deserving like let test do or, you know, things like that, but there’s really hasn’t been a lot of movement coaching wise for the abs the last 10 years with with Ben Nar and everybody else, right? There really hasn’t been a lot of movement. Uh yeah, in the American League, you know, uh what’s his name? Um left and Schnikloth took over, right? Cronin. Uh okay. Uh but there was the constant was Sneakloth, right? That’ been there forever in the EC in the CHL in the American League. Now, uh, what I find a little bit strange, and I’m all for, and we talked about that on one of our shows, on one of our pods, is I’m all for, uh, promoting from within. I think it’s important for an organization. Uh, there really hasn’t been a lot of opportunities for the Avalanche to promote from with from within because there’s been no movement. Um, with that said, you know, you have an opportunity on on the assistant coach position at the NHL level, which still hasn’t been filled to my knowledge, right? May maybe it has and it just hasn’t been announced. We’ll talk about that in a minute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What I’m saying is what that’s why I find this strange a little bit is you have the opportunity to to to hire from within. Like I said, I’m not arguing what the profile is. So maybe the profile is a certain profile and those guys didn’t have parts of that profile. But High Note says, “Okay, well I’m not getting it. Then I’ll go somewhere else.” Right? Then he goes to Tampa. Uh Schneikloth says, “Well, I’m not getting it. Then all right, then it’s time for me to go in the NHL. I’m going to go to Seattle. I’ll pack myself and I’ll go.” Um, now I I I know Mark Leestu, um, you know, we’ll talk about it, but I just feel that, you know, I said it last week at development camp. I think I want to, not you, AJ, but I said I told Rud, I said, maybe he wants to be a head coach and, you know, maybe it’s time for him to to be a head coach or if you want to be in the coaching, you got to make the jump. And the opportunity is right there. How great is it? And again, I don’t know Toby and I I know him. I know him. Hello. and you know, but it’s not like I talked to him. And then when I saw that today, I was like, “Huh, I was right.” Like, my intuition was right that he, you know, he wants to be a coach, but then, you know, all of a sudden he doesn’t get it. They don’t they go outside. Again, Mark Lutest, maybe he’s great. I don’t know. I don’t know him as a coach. I remember him as a player, right? We try to get him many years as a player. Uh, you know, versatile guy. Uh, I don’t know him as a coach. I know he’s been in Columbus. But now this is the third guy in in a few weeks that in the coaching ranks leaves, you know what I mean? Because he didn’t get promoted. So I’m not pointing the finger at the ABS front office. I’m saying I’m sure they have a certain profile that they’re looking for. I just find it strange that, you know, three people left and for jobs that are available here with the ABS and they went somewhere else. Yeah, I think strange is the polite way to put it. I think the realistic way that that I’m viewing this is uh what’s going on in your organization? What’s wrong with you? Where are your priorities? Why don’t the people why don’t your own guys think that they have an internal upward mobility here? It’s it’s either a really good thing or a really bad thing when everybody starts jumping ship like this. Uh, and I think it’s tough to say that it’s a really good thing because it’s not like they’ve been churning out assistants who have been going all over the place, you know? It’s they they’ve got the same literally spot available like Right. Well, and Bender Bender’s had the same staff for like eight years. Like it’s it’s it’s you can understand at the NHL level why it’s been stagnant, right? They’ve had a lot of success. They’ve won a lot of games. Both of their special teams units have been good for the most part. The PK has its moments over the years and the last year the power play uh was easily like the worst it had been in a long time uh for a while there. And so it does it does raise the question your skills coach is now going to a division rival to be the head coach of the AHL program. an AHL program, mind you, that has turned out a ton of talent, an organization that has. So, if they’re valuing him in that way and they’re saying, “Okay, we see we see how this guy can help our program, help our organization, why aren’t why aren’t the ABS feeling that if if Tobeby Peterson goes on to be a really good AHL head coach and Mark Latestu flames out with the Eagles, it’s a tough one.” Uh yeah, I mean that’s that’s a really tough look and it makes you wonder what exactly are they valuing that is leading them astray. And we can have a larger conversation as we mentioned earlier. It’s Jul. Yeah. So we probably will at some point but their development has been awful. Yep. Particularly on the forward side. Yeah. And so you you look at what they’re doing internally. How is this, you know, I mean, how how are you guys bleeding coaching talent and not filling that role and the guy that you got? It’s just I don’t we’ll we’ll see. You Greg Cronin, we weren’t excited when Greg Cronin got the Eagles job and he did a pretty damn good job for them. So, we’ll see. You know, with none of us were surprised when he was successful. He had been a really good coach at every single level working his way up and the next thing for him to do was to go get a get a job on a bench in the NHL and the ABS had that opening and didn’t give it to him. It’s okay. I I don’t understand. I don’t understand. A little bit out of order here, but since we’re in this conversation, I do just want to expand it. makes this weird is that that assistant job in the NHL isn’t filled yet. If the ABS had a guy in mind, they were set on it, they signed him, it’s done, okay, yeah, then there’s no room in the NHL for a bunch of these guys and and Schneikloth may feel like he has to move on or whatever it is. But that job’s still available. It’s it’s still open. And to be honest, I don’t think anyone sitting here has any idea what the plan is for who’s going to fill that role at this point. You know, like I always say, I’m not defending here. I’m saying we we we always look back and then you look again, it’s a busy time for front offices in the NHL, right, with the Drew the the combine, the draft, the free agency, uh, you know, the filling of the jobs within the organization. And then, you know, last week, you know, again, it doesn’t take a rocket science to know that they probably were in on Gulletson and was it Neil? Hey, but they didn’t get him. No, no, no, that’s what I’m saying. So, they were probably in on it and then all of a sudden Golson gets the head coaching job in Dallas and then I I think they were saying, was it Neil Grant? You know, the the the Texas coach was supposed to, you know, be there. Then all of a sudden, he now he decides he’s ready to go be an assistant coach. So, he’s not coming to Colorado or whoever, you know, is giving him an assistant coaching job. And then all of a sudden, he leaves. Now that leaves an opening and then they’re like, “Oh, Toby Peterson used to play for us and we like him and you know we think the world of him.” Well, he’s not getting the job over there and any it sounds like they’re giving it to somebody else or maybe he was in the running, right? I mean, it just made sense, right? And then he doesn’t get it. Then all of a sudden, oh, it’s the musical chair, right? You know, and all of a sudden, Texas jumps on Toby. Now the abs again a skills coach a skills coach is u I think it’s it’s essential nowadays obviously in this in this league it’s such the talent is so good and and guys are so uh sharp with their skills and you need to keep your skills sharp. Uh now that job is is is is dirty a little bit because you’re always with the injured guys. You’re always beforehand. You’re always after practice, right? And then it’s a lot of work. It’s a lot of sometimes miserable guys because it’s scratches. So, you’re dealing with guys that are scratched and you got to keep them upbeat. And uh now the a I’m sure there’s there’s a handful of of guys that can go and absolutely I wouldn’t be surprised that that’s you know filled very here shortly. And again, even even the the applications for the jobs in Lovelin, uh, man, they had to be I mean, I bet you they had over a hundred applications for sure. You know what I mean? Like, that’s just the way it is, right? All of a sudden, people they’re they’re sought after jobs. There’s a lot of potential. Just cuz I applied 99 times, you can’t say they had over a hundred. All right. Yes. So, applied. He didn’t get a response. But, uh, but you know what I mean. Yeah. So now you still have someone in the minors you need, right? Um uh and you know, and then someone in the NHL. So they still need two more guys and and a skill coach. So they need three more hires, right? So you could you can I think I think you can miss me a little bit with the oh it’s a busy time. The ABS thus far haven’t done much of anything in free agency and they barely participated in the draft. I’m sure that it’s busy. I know that they still have to be ready for all those things, but what exactly were they gearing up for? They haven’t done much of anything, including hire coaches. So, oh, it’s a busy time. What are they there? It’s a busy time for them to sit on their hands, you know, like, and I know I know that behind the scenes there’s a ton happening. There is a lot going on, but in terms of producing results, they’re bleeding coaches and they have they have holes on their NHL roster. Their AHL roster is the only thing that got fortified in free agency. I mean, it’s just right now you’re just kind of wondering what is this summer? Results is the word, right? You say it all the time. It’s a resultsbased business. for all the hard work I’m sure the ABS have put in over the last three weeks, months, year even, they don’t have a whole lot to show for it in this off seasonason right now. Yeah. And you’ve seen all the other organizations that have needed coaches have gone through that process. They’re hiring coaches. That’s that the talent pool’s getting smaller as everybody else is making decisions and the ABS are still just kind of hanging out. And look, if they’ve hired a guy and they just don’t want to tell us because that’s how the ABS roll. All right, then I retract, I guess. But we we continue to see their AHL team just all of their coaches left and now your skills coach is is an AHL head coach for a division rival. It just and and you’re not doing much of anything. So for me, I’m just like as of right now, we don’t you it would be foolhardy to judge an off season. It’s an entire on July 7th. 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But I but I totally get it. Uh my wife’s the same way. I’m the same way. It’s like uh you know, it’s got to get done now, you know what I mean? And it’s like I get it, you know, because it’s fair. It’s it’s true. They need to do some more. But there there’s so much at stake. And I can tell you last week they were trying they’re trying something. They were in oners. You know that. Everyone knows that they’re so that means they’re in on something. They’re working on something. And sometimes it’s all those trigger points with arbitration. Uh you know, maybe not your guy, but the guy they’re after and that team’s dealing with that. And you know, so it it’s a lot during the season because everybody puts on pause. Then they’re like, you know what? No, I’m taking a week off. This this league goes dormant very soon here. It goes dormant, guys. It’s a crazy job that they have and they go away for a week or two. They should. They have their phones on, but they’re really going away. And then everything gets put on hold. And then agents do the same thing. They’re like, “Well, we’re here now. Might as well wait, right? Why wouldn’t you wait till September when somebody breaks an ankle, knock on wood, right?” You know what I mean? Well, then all of a sudden, you know, so there there’s a waiting game and that’s what’s hard. And I think as fans and the fans have the right to and trust me the only reason I can say that’s because I’ve been part of it. It’s like in the front office it’s draining you as well because it’s a 20 it’s a 12-mon job and it’s 24/7 and you would think in the summer like right now you would actually breathe you know because you don’t have the pressure of wins and losses but it’s hard too because I’m not defending it’s just a fact. you’re trying stuff and and you have the mercy of people and timing and and you know they’re up to something. Somebody said the other day they were sleepy. You know, listen, they made 10 trades last year. God, I mean, are you kidding me? From November on, like on on the fly. That’s what I’m saying. Like, that is so hard to do. The the the the nerves are there. The the points are there to lose and gain. And that was crazy. Uh, but I think a and the problem here is it’s the same front office it’s been for years. I’m not sure. I read some people they’re they’re blame putting fingers on guys like it’s the same front office. It’s just titles that changed. Nothing’s changed. I mean, what are we talking about here? It’s it’s all the same. And this is a front office that’s never been scared to to go after things or to do things. So again, I just, you know, I just think it’s sometimes you got to preach a little patience and you know they’re working on something. You know why? Because they want to they want to win. They want to win. They want to give that core and they said it and and and the core knows too. You hear it from Macar. You hear it from me. Yeah. You know, management’s giving us a chance to win and and they’re and they’re trying. So that they have some stuff. People are saying, “Oh, cap space.” Yeah, they do. You know, and which you have to start with something. So they’re they’ve started with some, the rest is coming and and sometimes it just unclogs all of a sudden. And sometimes it takes another few weeks or maybe months, who knows? But it’s hard because you’re when you’re in it, it’s tough as fans, as management, us, anyone, it’s hard because you’re waiting for the shoe to fall like something, right? So that that patience is always tough. Um, and especially but but like right now, you know, right now Puck Pedia, not even incorrectly, but Puck Pedia has uh Ivan Ivan, Nikita Prsterov, and Ty Felibar on the NHL roster. And it’s like that’s the work that they still have left to do. But if those three guys are on the opening night roster and injuries aren’t involved, I will be shocked. So, yes, maybe one of those guys should be on the opening night roster. Totally. And you could have that argument about which one it would be and he would probably be either like a fourthline guy or your 13th forward on the opening night roster, not in the opening night lineup kind of thing. Correct. And and the only thing I wanted to add is and I’ll use Boston. I’ll use Boston, you know, because we all felt it was strange last week a little bit, right? They got their casts. They trade their, you know, their their captain. They trade their stuff. They go get draft picks, which is great. Awesome. But then all of a sudden, they go sign uh and I’m not bashing. I’ve just again, we’re not inside those room. The the optics though is they went and bought themselves a fourth line at a very expensive price and now everybody’s upside down saying, “Well, we’ll talk about that tomorrow.” But I’m saying if if this was the ABS that all of a sudden they created cab space and then they signed some weird contracts, we’d all be like, “What are they doing? We’ll talk about that a little bit of preview. LA, you know, things like that, right? Yeah. I think there were a there were a lot of teams last week that spent bad money and we all praised the Avalanche and said, “All right, I don’t like your worst money is you probably gave Parker Kelly two years too many.” Okay, we’ll see how that goes. Um, we might feel differently about that extension in a year, but it is what it is. Whatever, right? Um, that’s their worst money right now is Parker Kelly’s extension, which a million7. Not bad. Yeah. Yeah. You’re not sitting here like crushing that contract. You could dislike it for paying role players and and that I think that’s personally fair, but a million seven is your bad money right now. That doesn’t even kick in till next year. Maybe your bad money is the $3 million for 10 games played for Brent Burns. Yeah, that’s something that maybe that’s your bad money, but might as well say it’s a $4 million deal. Exactly. Like that’s a that’s just a there’s different the there’s a different level there where the one thing about the Brent Burns roster bonus is that it gets applied either before or after. That’s flexibility. Great. True. But that’s like the worst money that they’ve spent so far. That and the Parker K like that there’s just not this year is just not there was a lot of bad money spent. The Avalanche have yet to really truly spend much of it and so right now that’s I think we’re fine but we are impatient. We do want to get to what’s next. Yep. It’s it’s hard not to be. You want it to happen now. But I did want to wrap up the coaching conversation just very quickly. you guys mentions his name a few times. Mark Latestu named the head coach of the Colorado Eagles. Um I’m not going to pretend to be particularly im intimate with what he was as a coach obviously as a player defensive defenseman that was you know a journeyman around the league. I will say another Columbus connection for the Colorado Avalanche between CMA and Jared Bedar being part of that organization. We see a lot of players or coaches or or pieces come through that pipeline from Columbus to Colorado, but I don’t know if you guys had anything to add on on Latestu. Good luck. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, again, like I I I remember him a lot. Very serviceable guy, versatile, you know, right shot, center wing, you know. Um we we we tried to get him many times over the years and seems like to be a great person. He’s been uh what is it four years now in the Columbus uh Cleveland monsters Lake Erie Monsters. Um you know so again he’s got some coaching experience. He’s got a lot of playing experience. Uh Cmac obviously familiar with him from his days in Columbus and so was coach Bedar. Uh again, they had a profile. They the seems to be the guy that had the best profile and and uh you know, again, we don’t know. Maybe Toby played in Texas and I don’t know. His wife’s from there. I have no idea. And he wanted to go there. I don’t know, right? We don’t know. At the end of the day, we just know that he’s the one that was named head coach and we’ll see how he does and I’m sure uh you know, he’s going to do more fine. And it’s a great job in the American League. Lovelin is a great place to uh to live and and uh you know they take care of the ownership there. It’s it’s a great place to work, you know, in in hockey and and hone your craft uh in the coaching world and there’s a lot worse places, trust me. And that place is a great place and and look at what it’s done. Uh you know, guys are finding jobs in the NHL. So that’s that’s a good path for great path. We’ll see. We’ll see how it plays out. Um, yeah, I again don’t know him personally. The Monsters were pretty middling over the last couple of years. He was an assistant coach though, so how much does that fall on him? I don’t know. We’ll see what he does in Colorado. Uh, the only other piece of news that the ABS did over the weekend, and I know we’re talking about how the ABS haven’t done much. Does this count as something for the NHL roster? As they did sign Alex Barre Boule. Um, he’s a guy that has 70 NHL games. I don’t know if you expect him to be a regular in the lineup, but we were talking about look, there’s a pretty decent chance he’s ahead of the the Felibers, the Prapovs of the world easily that just he’ll have he’ll have the leg up um on those guys coming out of camp, but or sorry, coming into camp, but I if he’s a regular if he plays 40 games for the AB, something bad has happened. Yeah. So, I think that’s fair. Yeah, again I I I do believe Kevin McDonald like they they want to win at the American League level because winning is developing. I buy that. I I’m with it. Um obviously by their signings that we saw like Tighten and things like that and over the years they they they’ve done the right uh job there because we all know the Avalanche are thin on prospects. Um but a guy like that, I call that like a long relief guy, you know what I mean? like you know he’s not coming in for short really for a game or two but he might be coming in because you know 10 12 games you know again if he does awesome and he sticks great good on him I mean make us make decisions right you know that’s the thing we always say but you know I would say he’s more like a long relief guy if you’re comparing to baseball you know where probably can come in and pitch more than a few innings he he can stay in long relief and he’s a good player and he’s a very good American hockey elite player and and he’s got experience at the NHL level. So, I think it’s important to have those guys, you know, they lost Wagner and, you know, all that things like that, right? You know what I mean? So, you’re you’re talking about a guy with experience, you know? So, I mean, let’s which is not a bad thing to have. This organization probably has a little bit of trauma using 49 players in the regular season last year. They probably want a couple of guys that they have as options. That’s a lot of and well and and Bar Brulee is an elite AHL player. He’s fantastic. He’s just a he’s a quad A guy. Uh this isn’t a for my money, he’s not an NHL regular. He’s had chances and just could not lock down that job. One of those honestly TJ Tinen. He’s just TJ. Y agree. All right. I think that marks off most of the ABS news so we can move into speculation or otherwise on the other side of this break. But we do need to shout out shout out to the guys too and uh you know Donnie and and Bryce and and Brad the equipment guys for the abs now that now that you know camp’s over last week now they can take a break. You’re talking about 50 players like trust me that is a long year for those guys. Oh my lord that’s a lot of stress. It’s a lot of freaking get going on this and this and that and making jerseys. 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Make a decision. You’re a grownup. Yes or no. I was going to put too early to tell, but I felt like that was also an out. So, I don’t know. I don’t know. So, you put a different out. I am critical of this poll. This is why we don’t trust polls anymore. Oh, I feel like 99% would have picked that. I look I I think it’s fair to feel a little bit of both here to take a page out of AJ’s book. Do the AS miss out on some things? Yeah, that Nick Pervic deal would have loved that. Some of these cheap forward deals that got done, would have been interested in those. But at the same time, they also didn’t wildly overpay for bad dudes. So, I’m a little bit in both camps here to to some extent. I’m curious where you guys feel. I know we just talked about preaching patience, but do you think there are some things the ABS you wish would have done already? I mean, the the Nick Pervix deal, we all really liked Nick Perix and the the money that he got was and and the term that he got was really good in Nashville. They’re going to like that deal. The the problem is is that he didn’t have a job in Colorado. It’s true. You’d have to It’s the same conversation. Well, it’s the same conversation we’re already having with Brent Burns. Yep. which right-handed guy is either playing on your left side or what’s the follow-up move to clear out your your right side or which one of those guys is being a healthy scratch, you know? So, like that’s that was the Nick Perix conversation. Really, I think he’s going to be a breakout guy. I really like the player. I really like the contract in Colorado. It didn’t make a ton of sense. So, my favorite contract in UFA, like I liked the Victor Arvinson trade that, speaking of Boston, I liked what they Oh, a a fifth round pick for Victor Arvinson’s full salary. I probably would have done that for one year of Victor Arvinson. I probably would have done that understanding all the risks. Small guys, when their bodies break down, they don’t ever really fully come back and they usually just get worse and worse and worse. So, I can understand why the ABS took a pass there. But two years, $4 million for Jonathan Direan. Pretty easy one to have said yes to. Yeah, I would have done that, man. Like that’s one of the few deals that I’m just like, okay, I would have done that because and I can understand Jonathan Durant looking at Colorado’s roster going, I don’t really want to play on the third line. Yeah, bang. Fair enough, man. That’s my point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. A player has a choice in this. Maybe Colorado did offer that and he just said, “I don’t have a job there that I want to play anymore.” Okay, fair enough. I completely get that conversation. But otherwise, I just don’t feel like there were I mean, this was a we spent all off season leading up to UFA being like this is a bad UFA class and then the ABS didn’t do much and now it’s like why didn’t they go sign all these you know like we kept saying they have to wait this out. We want them to wait out the market. This is what waiting out the market looks like. It is patience. It drives people like us crazy because we want to be able to talk about what the roster is going to look like and what their roster is compared to other roles. Exactly. It helps us when they do stuff. But also the flip side of that, they didn’t do stuff. They didn’t do stuff. So now we get to speculate about it and we get to talk about all these guys who are unsigned. Yep. Yeah. And I and and again, free agency is all about fit. We talk about this all the time. And the cards are in the player side of things. When they don’t choose you, it doesn’t mean that you’re a bad team and you don’t want to go to. It’s because they feel that they don’t have a job or they’re not a good fit. Like maybe Perbeck’s, you know, like I don’t know, maybe they were in on it, but he was like, “Where do I play?” And then they can’t really tell you. Well, we are in the midst of making room. We can’t tell you because if it doesn’t work, you know what I mean? So, it’s like it’s hard. Like it’s it’s such a hard time. Wait period is hard. Yeah. Because you can’t do business as usual and you’re you’re not lying, but you’re saying, “Yeah, we probably have more moves to make.” But then, so as a player, you look at your agent, your wife, and you’re like, you know, okay. Hm. So, I got to hope that somebody falls. And what if it doesn’t fall? That I’m the odd man out. I’m not dressing. I mean, why why am I doing this? I can go to where did Pervix go? I’m trying to remember. Uh Nashville. Nashville. Nashville. So, you know, we’re in Nashville. You know, again, coaches can tell you anything. They can sell you anything. You know, at the end of the day, most people act, they want to keep their word, you know, but sometimes circumstances bring it where it’s different. Then all of a sudden, you make a trade in October and it’s not the same thing as in the summer and then you lose your spot too because you’re not performing. So, I’m not worried about that. It’s the NHL. What have you done for me lately? Right. So, so and that’s where guys become mad and you know like oh no but I was told this summer but again it was different. Now you made a trade and it’s not the same roster. So but at the end of the day it’s always about a fit and maybe they were in on a couple guys and maybe they were in on Jonathan and maybe he was saying no it’s time to go. You know what I mean? Because I want to play on the power play and I’m not getting power play time here and I want to you know I don’t want to play on the third line and and and I get it. Uh you know I get it. So again, it goes both ways. And I I think they’ve been trying. I know they’ve been trying, of course. Uh just just know that they were trying real hard since last week. And and they’re trying and they and they will get to it. Like you said, it’s not going to be the roster you’re seeing on Puck Pedia come opening night. It’s not. Yeah. Yeah. It’s I while I do agree with that, you don’t get any apples for trying. You get you get apples for results. True. I agree. Yeah. I mean, that’s I agree. Absolutely. What was it? Chris Johnston last week tweeted out, “Oh, credit to the Utah Mammoth for trying to be aggressive or whatever.” And it’s like, we’re giving credit to an organization because they’re going to try to get better. They haven’t even done it yet. They’re going to try. Like, give me This is This is silly. So yeah. Um anyway, my that was that that tweet I thought about it for like four or five straight days because I was like what are we doing? Like what where did Mia? I’m my brain is like where did Mia Edmonton? Oh yeah, that’s right. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, all right. Let’s get into some of the names that are still left out there. If the ABS are looking to do something via the free agency route, it’s not a skate, man. Sorry. On the defensive side, it is virtually no. If you’re talking about about guys who aren’t on the precipice of retiring, the defensive side, you basically have Grizzlick and John Merrill and then a bunch of old dudes. That’s about it. Eric’s gonna be so stoked when we get Matt Krislick. Not that the ABS are necessarily in the market for more defenseman depending on what they do next, but yeah, there’s unless you’re interested in signing like a a 35year-old David Savard Ryan. Can he retire? I think retired. I saw him by his pool last week. He was retired. He had a retired. Has Martinez retired yet? He’s still Yeah, he retired, too. He’s No, he’s retired. So, yeah, I thought there’s really not not much worth mentioning out there on the defensive side as far as NHL regular type guys. Um, as much as AJ wants John Merrill, but you know, it’s I mean, the only guy that you’re looking at that’s under 30 is Oliver Schillington. Yeah. Don’t think you’ll be running that back if you’re Colorado. But yeah. So, you’re looking at you’re you’re you really are looking at like did TJ Brody retire? Like what’s up with TJ Brody, who’s been, by the way, so bad. He was so bad in Chicago. So, so, so, so bad. And like Eric Johnson, I’m all for. Okay. Hey, bring Eric Johnson back as your seven. But then that gives you five right-handed shots. And then what is what are you doing with Keaton Middleton? Are you just is he now your eight? I would love for Keaton Middleton to be your like nine or 10, but we know the abs don’t feel that way. Yeah, Middleton’s going to be in the lineup. Not maybe not on the ice, but on the roster. Um I mean Grizzly I know Grizzlick people will say like and Cassax said he’s got to get bigger on the back end. Well, first of all, with Burns, I mean they got bigger. The guy’s a monster. His backpack really play bigger, but sure. No, he’s terrible defensively, but it’s fine. He’s bigger. You got what you wanted. One of our What was it? One of our comments wanted a guy that was 6’3 to 67. Specifically 63 to 67. Brett Bird’s a 6’5. He says Olay on defense. But yeah, right. Pretty sure Eddie’s 63. Can he play? No. But but my point is is on on on Grizzlick the bear. Um Grizzlick he’s 5’9. But my only argument about Grizzlies doesn’t make your decor bigger. But Grizzlick plays hard. Grizzlies big. Um you know the mayor of Charle Town. I mean so he this guy plays hard you know. So, you got to look away from the the the numbers right next to his name, you know. Well, the the appeal of Grizzlick is he’s the same as some of these other conversations we’ve had about guys where he was averaged over 20 minutes last year in Pittsburgh, which is ridiculous. Like in Colorado, he’d be playing 15, maybe less. So, maybe there’s a conversation where you’re like, maybe those numbers look better against weaker competition in lower minutes. But and I know he had 40 points or whatever, but his actual underlying metrics, if you want to go get a big guy who’s good at defense, his defensive metrics have been really bad for the last two years. So, because you’re on a bad, right? You’re playing on a bad team. But that’s what Yeah, there’s factors there. But, uh, well, and opposite Brent Burns, by the way, a bad 5v5 defender and has been for a really long time now, but has been on a really good team in Carolina that suppresses shots. So, a lot of his metrics are pretty good, but his 5v5 defense even still looks bad there. D Jacob Slater into almost passable defensive numbers. Like, like look, Brent Burns Brent Burns will help the PK. He definitely will. He’s a good PK. He will be a meaningful addition there. But just because Brent Burns is 6’5 220 does not mean that that size is makes him a good defender. He He’s not. He hasn’t been. You add the fact that he’s 40 years old and he’s not he’s not very fast anymore. He’s not a great scale. Like he’s gonna have holes. There’s going to be major like things about Brent Burns that are going to drive everybody crazy. But because it’s July 7th and we’re like, “Hey, I’ve heard of Brent Burns.” Also, I need I know how big he is. That that’s just what they needed. Not really, but it’s fine. He He makes their defense. He He reinforces what’s good about their defense. He will be a good fit. I’m I’ve I accept that I’m good with the Brent Burns thing. He’s more of what they had just in a bigger package. Great. Yep. Sounds fine to me, man. It’s an easy sell, especially for $4 million. I mean, fine. Here’s Let me jump off of that very quickly. We don’t need to go in depth on this, but I think it’s an interesting conversation. Let’s say Ryan Lingren would have taken 500K less. Would you rather have Brent Burns or Ryan Lindred? Brent Burns. I I would agree. I’m curious on E though. You’re you’re on you’re on the Burns train, too. E. Okay. Yeah. No, I I like it. I like it. And again, size matters. And when like we’re talking about like Val, you know, I I always say it. Val’s not a hitter. He’s a hunter. You know, he he’s tenacious. His sticks there. He’s hard to move. And that’s what Brent Burns is. We talked about on that mini pod, right? So, it’s not he’s not going to kill you. is not going to He had what 11 body checks last year, I think. Yeah, he had 11 hits. I mean, I mean, I I think Highman had done one game in the playoffs this year. So, I’m just saying. So, it’s But it’s size it does become relevant when you’re out there and you know what I mean, a PK like you’re talking about. Uh, but he’s not a killer. He’s not a He’s not a tough guy. He’s not like I’m I’m playing out there. He’s not scaring me. That’s for sure. you know, the beard if you you know, again, but it’s not scaring you. He’s not making you think like, oh, he brings in an element of fear here. He’s not, you know. Yeah, it’s look, I know it’s not this simple, but in the simplest terms, you Ryan Lindren out for four and a half mil, Brent Burns in for 4 mil. Technically, it could be five. He’s not playing 23 minutes a night. It’s not happen for technically it’s 1 million. Technically, it’s one. It’s not four. Sure, that extra 3 million could end up on next year’s cap or whatever, but I’m just putting it in the simplest terms possible. Ultimately, it’s costing them four. It’ll either be now or later, but the other three is coming down the pipe. Yeah. So, you made yourself better on defense, right? Cheaper for a better player. Yes, there’s it’s more complicated than I get it. You might have to move pieces out, right chop, blah blah blah blah blah. But you got a better player for cheaper by letting Lindren walk and picking up Brent Burns. It’s it’s decent business. On the forward side, on the other hand here, the ABS have not added a lot. We’ve talked about it on this show already. They have holes on that side of their lineup. When you look at what’s out there in free agency, I’ve had multiple pe people tweet me about Jack Rosik over the weekend, whether he could be an option. You have Victor Olifson, Givir still out there. Kovaleeno, if you’re dipping into those unqualified RFAS, they’ve been tied to Joe Valeno. if if that’s a thing that’s going to be happening. Uh there are some other options. I wouldn’t be too interested in a Jeff Skinner or Pat Maroon personally, but Pat Maroon retired. Did he retire? Okay, good. I saw he’s assisted on his son’s first roller hockey goal. That was cool. That was a cool clip. But uh you know, Carone, a guy I like. I know AJ, you’ve you’ve talked about before, too. There are still some options on the lower end of the the forward group in free agency. Yeah, there are guys that can help you. And um the thing is you’re looking at really flawed profiles here. Joe Valeno, he’s really fast. He’s got okay size. He’ll throw a hit every once in a while. Is he a center? Is he a wing? It hasn’t really mattered. He’s not been very good anywhere that he’s been in places that have paid him money to try to be better. It’s It’s right to give him to be a center when you generate no offense. Like he is not a generator. He doesn’t drive any play by himself at all. Yeah. And that’s fine if you’re Luke Glenn Denning and you win 80% of your faceoffs and you’re a defensive shutdown guy. But Joe Valeno doesn’t do either one of those things either. He’s bad in faceoffs and uh has been moved off of center in his career to to wing. So eh like Joe Leno’s fine again if you’re talking 850k I don’t feel strongly about which one of these guys Jack Rosik’s not going to take that Jack Roselvic that’s a third line player what does he do I mean he had a 22 goal season so he scores at a higher rate than any of the other guys we’re going to talk about on this list but uh like he’s kind of been an all-around blah guy and his entire career he’s been dogged I he wants a larger role. He wants to play more. He wants to play more. He wants a larger role. And then every time he’s Colorado Yeah. Well, and every time that he’s had an opportunity to earn it, he hasn’t been able to win a job. So, he ends up has he accepted his fate as a middle six player, to be generous, mostly as a bottom six player. Let’s be real, he would be on Colorado’s third line. If he has, this would be a really good opportunity for him to score some points and go back into a market again next year. the old Evan Rodriguez thing. Use this as a Okay, last year wasn’t an aberration, but if you have a third line of Jack Drury, Ross Colton, and Jack Rosley, you’re pretty competitive. You’re not That’s a That’s a good third line, man. My my my thing is my name that I have written down that everyone knows, Chad knows, is Grizzy Bear, right? Grizzly. I I just I won’t let it go until they sign him. So, all right, that’s one. Um, as far as like the names you’re talking about, uh, Rosik and Olivesson, I like Olivess. I like it for the second power play if they ever choose to go to two power plays. The guy could score. It is some sort of a, you know, reclamation project, so to speak. You know, you come from Buffalo, it’s so hard on, it’s draining on you because you’re losing every year. It’s tough. Um, but the one thing Chad’s talking about, I just want to rewind to take two seconds. Alyssa A. Wolf is the locker room. locker room’s massive and and and again that’s the one part I can touch on because I’ve been there. Um it is so important. It is so important. Uh you can’t win without it. Um and the one thing that’s flagrant and if that’s the right word from the 22 team to now uh the locker rooms has been the same. There’s a reason why they brought back, right, EJ for the playoffs. Gabe had been gone three years, guys. I’m telling you, and you see it when they win. Just again, they’re talking about Florida. It’s It’s amazing. I I don’t think I felt that with the abs this year. I don’t know how to describe it. I don’t know how to write about it, but I can tell you that I wasn’t quite there. Uh, and it’s important to have it or you can’t win without it. So that’s right. Bren Burns is supposed to be an unbelievable human being and right there that helps. You can’t discard that and that’s part of it. So I just want to add that because those were great points by chat there. Great points. Melissa Awolf when sorry when we get back into these these forwards though I like I mean Victor Olson was a guy that I was out on last year. I did not want to mess with it. I was he went and had a really good year in Vegas as a bottom six guy. played 14 minutes a night. He only scored 15 goals, but in 56 games had a presence on their second power play unit. Actually made it a little bit a little bit dangerous. He drives no offense. He never has. He just finishes. But he showed all of these honestly, but he showed a major development in his defensive game last year. And I thought, wow, a good team asked him to just focus on a couple of things in his game instead of a bad team that just says, “Go out there and do whatever the hell. It doesn’t matter anyway, I guess. Go get yours, Victor.” And he fit into a specific role. And he did a really good job. That to me that makes Olivesson a a very intriguing guy for the Avalanche, especially because they could really use they could really use a little bit of goalcoring pop. A guy that could just wire a puck in their bottom six. Have not had that since Andre Burkovsky left and having that little extra pop would be really helpful for them. Um but Olivesson is in a bad environment in in Buffalo then goes into a role in in in Phoenix in in Vegas and has a successful CJ you want to call like you said 14 and 55 whatever it was and some power play duty. So again um I like that because he shows that he can play in a playoff type atmosphere environment you know which are the Vegas Golden Knights. Now, Rosik, my only thing is you you could score 20 goals a year, but you get to playoffs, you don’t you get scratched, you know. So, if you’re getting scratched uh in playoffs, there’s a reason for that. And that’s the reason that makes me whoop a little tentative on them. You know what I mean? Like, I don’t know. We’re trying to win in the playoffs, right? I’ll come Brenda Moore, a guy like that that’s trying to, you know what I mean? Like, why wouldn’t you want to put a 25 goal scorer in there? So there there’s a lot of red flags that you have to look into that one. I the red flags are interesting though, right? Because I do think you can find ways to get cheaper. When you look at someone like a Rosik who has multiple 40point seasons in his career, a team might convince themselves to do pay a little bit extra for a guy like that thinking they can get him back to that level. Whereas maybe you’re buying a little bit lower on an Olivesson. I do think the defensive side matters too, but you were talking about the goal scoring and that’s where it comes in, especially when you look at the ABS bottom six. Who scores goals in that bottom six right now? Ross Colton is pretty much the end of the list. Logan O’Connor is okay, but he’s going to miss the first portion of the season. Everyone Jack Drew’s career high is eight in a season. I’m gonna be mean. I’m gonna be mean here. I’m gonna be mean. I’m He’s played almost 200 games and he’s a 7% shooter. So, like there’s not a ton of goal scoring. I’m going to be mean to Ross here, but Ross, did he get those goals when he was on the top six? So, did he get those in the two years ago? He was a 20 cool guy up and down the lineup. So, I I want to give him a little bit. All right, we’ll give it Okay, perfect. That’s fair. I just wanted to bring it up. This year, he went on a tear, but he was playing on the first line. Sure. So, you know, it’s a valid point. And I like Ross. I’m not I’m not begging him. I like him. Yeah. In Ross’s career, his per 82 game average, he averages right around 13 minutes per night and on a and and averages about 18 goals per season. So, that’s a goal. I’ll take it. So, yeah, you’re he’s he finishes at a decent he actually drives play really well. And it’s funny because we’re talking about his goal scoring, but his goal scoring has always been a little bit down relative to the play that he drives. So he creates a lot more chances than he actually finishes off. Leaves a ton of them on the ice. Certainly tracks with what we’ve seen through two years. Yeah. All right. But his goal scoring his goal scoring is not so much the he’s just going to beat a goalender. He’s going to the net. He’s fighting for pucks. That’s like that’s why Ross Golden at $4 million is still really valuable for the ABS. He could do that thing. But you need I I think where Olson represents a difference. You know, Kiri Ronto scored 16 goals last year. Any of us believe that’s coming? Even if he were to come back on a million dollar contract, dude. If he scores eight, right? You’re talking like 8 to 10 goals would be would be fine, right? Like you you could live with that given all the other things that you’re comfortable with. You’re not expecting him to score 16. Where Olivesson comes in is he can do that. He can actually shoot a puck. Yeah. Yeah. So that that I mean he would probably be my like top preferred option right now. Yep. I I think I agree. Especially just the defensive acumen goes a long way. And I I say AC it’s one year. He has to prove he can keep doing it in Colorado. But a guy that isn’t a black hole on defense that can give you a little bit of pop offensively in the bottom of your lineup makes a pretty big difference. Frankly, your teamwide driving of play wasn’t the problem against Dallas. You did that. You you need the finish. You beat them in shot attempts, shots, scoring chances, high danger chance. You did all of that. It was purely the finishing ability. You just got to be able to to to pump in an extra goal or two in a seven game series and they would have won that series. And that’s what they’re they should be out there looking for. Don’t give me Luke Cunning. If you give me Luke Cunning, I’m going to be mad. He’s bad. He’s terrible. I know he works hard. He plays hard. He’s professional. Great. He’s terrible. Please stop. I like Luke Gunnan. Of course you do. He he is catnip for any old school guy. Luke Cunnin plays so hard and he throws the body and he he loses a lot of faceoffs, but he takes them right. Like he does so much that you can see with your eyes and you think, “Wow, this guy’s really actively involved. Terrible. Awful defensive player. Gets crushed. Every team, every environment, every situation he’s ever been in in his career, it has not mattered. He is bad.” Yeah. For the record, uh, Olivesson career 13 and a half percent shooter, pretty much bang on shot that 13.8 in Vegas last year. The only player currently on the ABS roster that’s played at least 100 games that has shot better is Arturi Lechinan. Yeah, Lucky can get streaky. Not a not a great uh not a great example of how shooting percentage relates to quality shooter because Leky Yeah, not much of a shooter. Really good at the uh the the tips and the rebounds and the putting it into the empty net part. The hockey IQ gets him into great position uh for some for some easy goals. Not so not so much the you know, he’s had maybe like 10 goals in his Avalanche career where he’s just picked a corner. Thank god one of them was game six of the Stanley Cup final. And and those ones are he closed his eyes and shot it as hard as he could. Yeah, but but it just goes to show like there is some ability there when it comes to his shooting that that the ABS could need. Uh we are headed into overtime. I think we’re probably into overtime. I don’t even know. I think the Rockies are on OTT anyway, so it’s probably fine. But uh yeah, join the conversation online at thenvr.com. It’s Let me ask you guys this. I think we do expect the ABS to do more. How many more free agents do you think the ABS sign this off seasonason? Because I think some of us are expecting maybe some trades to happen, some other some other avenues to acquiring players. What is the number for free a because I think it’s more than zero, but I don’t know that it’s more than two. Yeah. Uh, when you say free agents, I’m going to say um, let’s say certainly one I have confidence in. I think they will sign at least one. I You know what? I’m going to We’ll say two. Two free agents. Even if even if those free agents are Kimmy Ron and Eric Johnson, I’m still saying two. Yeah, they count. All right. So, we do expect some signings to happen. Now, those could those happen in August? Maybe. Could they happen to buy? I mean, maybe they had that two years in a row where they signed a guy on September 12th. I know. So, I’m holding out for September 12th. If they sign in the middle of the rookie tournament and we have to like start doing work on that in the middle of the rookie tournament, I’m going to be upset. All right. Don’t say this. This the rookie faceoff is so nerfed as it is that if the ABS pull some shenanigans in the middle of it, I’m gonna be frustrated individual and I’ll be in Denver for that. They’re going to have to put up with me being frustrated. Uh there are still are some other conversations like questions around the ABS cap space. Do you expect them how much to carry it? But those are now a topic for another day. So we’ll talk about that tomorrow. He uh hit on it. best and worst off seasonasons team by team. We’re doing top five best and top five worst teams this off seasonason so far. So, tune in for that. Should be fun. And uh we got I don’t know, you guys might rant and rave about goalies on Thursday or Wednesday or something. We’ll see. Uh but that is it for today. We appreciate all y’all hanging out. We are out of here. This has been the DNVR Avalanche podcast and we will see you tomorrow.

The Avalanche have signed just one significant free agent this offseason. Who’s left out there and did Colorado miss the boat?

Intro – 0:00
Avs Needs a new skills coach? – 2:00
Did the Avs miss out on FA? – 22:14
Names still out there? – 40:10

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