New York Jets extend Jannik Sinner on WFAN | Moving The Goal Posts EP 75
Nick in Jersey. What’s up, Nick? Hey, so my question is, what if your team’s season is on the line and they need to win this game to go to the playoffs? Jerry, let’s say your kid is on the Giants. The Cowboys need to win this game in order to make the playoffs. But the Giants season, they’re completely out of it no matter what. But the Cowboys need to win this game. Hey, what’s up everybody? I’m Nick D. Martino. That’s Ben Cruz. This is another edition of Moving the Goalpost. You can follow us across social media at MTGP. You can follow the empty bench network across social media, ETB Network. You can follow me on Twitter, Nick Demart. You can follow Ben Cruz 144. Uh, you can watch all Empty Event shows on YouTube.com/etbnetwork. You can listen to all empty shows on etbcast.com. And you can listen to all empty shows. Uh, I’m listen sorry, you can listen to Moving the Gold Coast wherever you get your podcast. And make sure to like and subscribe. Uh, you can, uh, and of course, this show is presented by Playback. Stay tuned for later in the show to find out more. All right. So, it’s the middle of July and I think our number one story right now is Wimbledon. Uh, sinner. Well, I’m a tennis fan and I think you’re a tennis fan, too. So, I I care a whole lot about it. As a tennis fan, I can’t I don’t really get a lot I don’t have a whole lot of opportunity to talk about it um on this show because it just isn’t relevant for most of the year. Um, Sinner won in four sets and is this like I guess the ultimate question is is this like the next great rivalry in tennis? Um, and like where will it stack up? Because I I think in tennis we need like I think that the reason men’s tennis has always the the biggest reason has always been doing so much better than women’s tennis is that in women’s tennis usually there’s like one dominant player. They don’t win every time, but there’s like one there’s one dominant player. Uh like, you know, right now I would say it’s probably SuATK or Sabalanka. Uh it was Serena Williams at one point, but in men’s tennis, it’s more about rivalries. There’s two or three guys up up top and it’s been that way for like 30 years. There’s been two or three guys for a little bit of time, even four, uh with rivalries. And right now it seems to be the era of like Sinner and Alcarez. Alcarz has five slams. Sinner now has four. Um and they’re already approaching and they’re both like 23 years old. Uh in fact, Algrass isn’t even 23 yet. Um and they already have four combined have nine slams. Um, and like I just think like I mean obviously it’s the next great rivalry. Like it like there’s not even really much of an argument about that, but it’s like the question is will it compare to say the Feder and Nadal rivalry or like the Nadal Djokovic rivalry? Um, I mean the fact that it’s two guys instead of three like makes it a little less obviously, but like it’s like the future of tennis. Yeah. No. Um, obviously like like yourself, I liked playing tennis. Um, you know, in terms of watching all like the majors and stuff like that, but I my my level, my passion got much more higher when I got the chance to work the US Open last year um in New York and just getting the chance to see a lot of just these athletes up close and actually center uh frankly enough uh got the chance to be literally right past me uh you know in terms of what I was working at. So, like I was getting to see a lot of these athletes at firsthand and um so I really didn’t know really know much about this guy until really last year and I could really kind of tell why. um you know between him and Alcarez obviously um but yeah I mean we obviously talk about like in terms of how tennis is going to be in good hands right you know women’s tennis uh obviously we had you know the Sherupovas we had the Venuses the Serenas and stuff like that but men’s right now I mean Nick you were talking about of course you know these two guys obviously having already at a young age a lot of slams both of these guys frankly enough actually were um you know coming in in 20 2018 So they’ve had now about seven years already playing and the fact that they have at least three or more slams at this point in time is fairly impressive. Um and you know guys like Jookovic obviously is getting up there in age but of course Djokovic is looked at as one of the all-time greats. Not just a great but one of the all-time greats and obviously you can see you know in the semi-finals is the all-time great. Well yeah but like you know you could obviously make a argument for a lot of other guys. I mean, I think he isn’t the all-time great, but like you can make an argument for guys like Nadal and guys like Federer and stuff like that kind of given their overall track record. Um, but I think that it’s kind of like the new passing of the guard in terms of the overall rivalry Marc and Alcarez especially where I mean you have one not only one of the best French Opens finals that we had for this year but one of the best tennis matches that we have seen. I mean going over five almost five hours and you know Alcarez obviously came up on top and Sar as great as the overall matches have gone against this guy it just never felt like he never got over the top. Um Alcarez really had his number for a lot of the matches that he’s had in the past and we’ve got the chance now where Sinner has gotten kind of his at least his revenge in a little while because he’s gotten a chance to to beat him on a really big time overall grand slam. Um, so I think it’s really cool to see. I think the the fact is that they have a lot of respect for each other, I think, is another great thing because a lot of times in rivalries, Nick, not always you’re going to have, you know, the two guys that are going to have a lot of great respect. It’s kind of more of like, you know, coming at you this and that. But, um, the admiration that they have is really cool to see. And, um, you know, two guys that think that you’re going to definitely be seen going headtohead for a long period of time. I think in tennis they usually do. Um, in tennis, like you rarely, I mean, at least not in my lifetime. I’ve never seen a rivalry where like two tennis players hate each other. Um, in fact, all the best rivalries in tennis, they actually like kind of like each other or at least they’re cordial. They get along. Like Federer, and Nadal always got along. Jookovic, they all Mandy Murray, they all got along. Sampress and Agassi seemed to have a good relationship. Um, I wasn’t really alive for most of that, but you know, that’s just how it is in tennis. The culture is a lot different. Um, like the culture in tennis is much more respectful. You have, it’s not like team sports where you heckle players and things like that, you can’t heckle tennis players. I think that in rivalries in general, in sports, at least the good ones, I think they tend to respect each other, right? Um, I would say, um, and like I said, in tennis, usually that’s the case. Uh head-to-head, uh Alcarez beats Sinner eight to five. So, he’s winning headto-head. Uh he’s winning the rivalry so far. Um and he also has one more slam uh than Sinner does. In terms of Jookovic, I I’ve said this, he’s like the LeBron of tennis or the Brady of tennis. like he is in his late 30s and he’s still kick like he’s still he’s still like has it like he’s not the best player in the world anymore. I would say he’s probably the third or fourth best player in the world. I mean this year he was he he had like the third great best odds to win it at one point. And that’s really good for a guy his age. And by the way he’s only a year or younger than Nadal. Like Nadal was like Nadal’s career was far less sustainable than Jookovic’s. Like I said this last week, but like if you were to put it in football terms, Nadal’s more like Rogers and Jookovic is like Brady. Or if you put it in NBA terms, Djokovic is like LeBron and Nadal’s like Kobe. Um I mean I’d rank Nadal higher as a tennis player than Kobe as a basketball player, but like that that’s kind of how it is. like they’re or even like another way you could say is Jookovic is like LeBron and Nadal’s like Michael Jordan like like he just did he was much more athletic. His playing style is much more physically demanding and it beat up his body a lot more and he had to retire a lot earlier. Um or at least he his game went downhill a lot earlier uh than Djokovic’s. And like he Joe Gr might not have anything left. Um but he still like even if he doesn’t he still has 24 slams which is the record. Um and there’s a good chance he might win another one. You never know what might happen. Like players get knocked out in earlier rounds. It almost happened to center. He he he was down two sets to nothing and when Demetra ended up retiring uh it it uh in in an earlier round. I mean, there’s a good chance S would have come back and won anyway, knowing him, but that did happen. Um, yeah, like in tennis, it’s just that it’s the storyline is about the rivalry. That’s or like not a rivalry in the sense like Yankees, Red Sox where they hate each other. Yeah. But the rivalry of like greatness, you know what I mean? That that’s usually how it is in tennis and that’s what makes tennis like that’s what makes eras of tennis great usually. Yeah. Um, and you were talking about like how like NDA is to a certain, you know, NFL, you know, all time great and Jookovic is to Brady. Like this kind of reminds us of like the older kind of passing the new torch of like S and Alas is kind of like the Momes burrowish type of you know matchup this or that. Um, it’s kind of like you I mean it’s it’s obviously not like the same per se, but like it’s kind of like that overall type of idea in which you know for a fact that like the league is in good hands where I mean yeah like I think with Jookovic Djokovic obviously unfortunately got hurt I think in the semi-finals in which he had just had couple side to side type of movements where he just wasn’t looking right and you definitely could see that when it came to the semi-finals in which just the crosscourt type of shots where he typically gets to he just wasn’t moving at the best that he usually does. So, I mean, yeah, I think that he still can play at a really, you know, all-time rate. Um, I just don’t think, you know, he is the number one type of guy where you have two emerging guys now since 2018. Um, that are playing at a all-time rate. Um, and Alcarez too has played Jookovic Kistan. They they’ve really really good matchups. Center has had really good match up against Novak too. So, it’s not like those two guys haven’t played against Jookovic. Djokovic obviously is not the same guy like you said he once was. But I mean, you know, it could be Djokovic center. It could be Djokovic Alcarez. It could be Alcarez against center. I mean, tennis specifically, if you typically at least get one of those type of match up where it gets down to the final, which a lot of the times it does, uh, it should always be a great overall matchup. Yeah. No, I would say I wouldn’t even say it’s I’d say if anything it’s more like Mahomes Allen. That I should Yeah, Mahomes Allen. That’s probably a better That’s probably a better Yeah, I’d say that. That’s probably a slightly better example. I mean, I’d say Yeah, I think look there there’s a lot left to be played. I think the greatest rivalries were like the big three. Oh, any one of like if you pair any two of them, those would be the greatest rivalries. Like what? Like any three of those I would say would be the greatest. But I think this one at least has the potential to be is at least comparable at this stage because obviously they didn’t they didn’t start off winning 20 slams. Um, like I would say it’s like it’s in a similar stage and in their early 20s uh now that they have they have nine total slams, there is a good chance it can get up to that level or something approaching that. There’s also a good chance that there’s another guy who’s gonna who we haven’t heard of yet that will end up joining these ranks. Yeah, that will end up joining these ranks. Um, uh, and you know, USO, uh, you know, what the thing with tennis is I what I do like is that most of it goes on at times when nothing else is done. Uh, other than the Australian Open. Uh, unfortunately, Australia is on the other side of the world, so it they have to do it like in January. though I’d if we’re up to me like if we’re up to me the US Open like football season would start after the US Open and the Australian Open would start after football season. Uh but unfortunately I don’t run the sports world. All right. So I do want to talk about um my call to WFAN. I actually got on the air Oh wow. as a caller. It’s not the first time I made it on the air as a caller, but is the first time I made it on the air during uh a prime time. uh during morning drive or any sort of prime time slot. Uh so here’s the full context of what I was talk of what we were talking about the the topic on the show was uh who would you root it was it was about like the conflict of rooting interest and if your kid was on the opposing team. So Ben, it would be like if you had a son that played on the Yankees and the Yankees played the Red Sox, something like that. Um, so yeah, I mean, first of all, it’s a good problem to have if you have kids that are able that are professional athletes. So, yeah, I mean, listen, I it’s a good problem to have. Let’s be honest. But, so here’s the topic was like, oh, you know, you know, at what point would you root for your team? At what point would you root for your kid? And this is what I had to say. And this is this is what I had to say. Imagine a 70-year-old. He just aged us 25 years. I don’t want to think of that. Nick in Jersey. What’s up, Nick? Hey, so my question is, what if your team’s season is on the line and they need to win this game to go to the playoffs? Jerry, let’s say your kid is on the Giants. The Cowboys need to win this game in order to make the playoffs. But the Giants season, they’re completely out of it no matter what. But the Cowboys need to win this game. What do you think? It’s a very easy answer. 23-year-old me would say, “I want to kick the crap out of the Giants.” But the 51-year-old in me with with kids I’m rooting for my kid. I’m sorry. I don’t know what to tell you. All right. Now, there’s more to keep playing. I can res I’m going to resume it. Okay. Um I look, I don’t know because I’m not a father. And even if I And even if you are a father, you still don’t know because your kid because your kid most likely uh because your kid most likely is not going to be has never sniffed playing professional sports. Although you might get a little bit of a sense of it, like you might get a little bit of the feeling watching your kids compete when they’re younger. So most people are not in those shoes and it’s very hard to like really know. Um, and I think most of us are somewhere in the middle. I’d say most of us are somewhere in the middle where it’s like it’s not completely one or the other. It’s not like you lose all interest in your own team. And by the way, let me just say I did say afterwards uh wait, even in like a meaningless game, I tried to push him a little bit and and I actually didn’t think he would answer this way. I thought he would say, “Well, in that scenario, I’m going to root for my team.” Um and but they hung up on me right away. Uh I guess they were they were just going through a bunch of calls. Uh so I think that’s just how it was. I made my point and they didn’t need to hear from me further and that’s a fair point. Um, I don’t know what your thoughts are on this. I do want to hear from you a little bit because there was a caller earlier who said, uh, you know, my nephew is on I think it was he was talking about the Jets. He said, “My nephew’s on the Patriots and now me like we’re all Patriots.” When it was when it came to the Jets, I felt nothing. And I was just like, I could never feel that way. Like I could never feel nothing if when it comes to the Jets. And also the other question is like well I I do want to because like I actually really thought that like he would say well in that scenario I would I would root for my team. Yeah. Uh like I don’t know I don’t know what your thoughts on this are. It’s not even something I ever even really considered. Um until until I was listening to the radio that day. It’s uh it’s really interesting. Um, I mean, obviously if if my kid was playing on the Yankees, I mean, of course, you know, there’s nothing I can do, right? You know, of course, like, you know, as an overall type of father, of course, I’m going to support him. Uh, it’s obviously going to feel extremely awkward because my whole entire adulthood was being a Red Sox fan. For me myself, it it’s I I guess if you could take a look at it, I’m going to support him specifically, but the overall team aspect of it, it’s going to be tough for him to support him that way, right? I see what you’re saying because like, you know, obviously if he was a Red Sox, if he played for the Red Sox, I’d support him not only personally, but the overall type of team, you know, in this case, I’m only going to support him like in half of a way in which Yeah. like I hope you you know you hit 20 or 35 home runs but like I’m not going to go out of my way and say no like let’s go Yankees per se like like that’s just not me. That’s I can’t I can’t have that. It’s like it’s like me specifically completely you know uh wearing a wearing a Giants jersey because Raphael Devers is now in the San Francisco Giants. Like no like I like Raphael Devers but I’m not I’m not a San Francisco Giants fan. like you know my my my kid specifically is not playing for the San Francisco Giants. Um so it’s just uh yeah I always think in terms of sports team comes first when it comes to the overall personal fandom. I mean people obviously follow players and I 100% agree in terms of you know players you know overall Suns you know obviously you were playing specifically on a certain team like you know you would support them but I’m not going to go out of my way especially if it’s a rivalry type of team like I’m going to support him but I’m not going to support the team if you get what I’m saying. I I get what you’re saying. Although those two things are not totally connected like if your it also kind of depends on like what the thing is is that if your kid is on a professional sports team like the only like you can’t really support him without supporting the team like you know what I mean like right like you’re not really rooting for your kid if you’re not rooting for the team to win in a sense it’s kind of impossible possible to do like and I also like the other question is like and I think like I said I think the truth is it’s really just a middle ground. Like I said that caller before that said now that my nephew is on the Patriots I’m like rooting for the Patriots. It’s like no that’s a little different but there is a difference between rooting for your kid or rooting for that team to win because your kid is on that team and rooting for that team. Like I I I don’t I I think it makes perfect sense to root for the team that your kid is on, but if you’re like a Yankee fan, even if your kid is on the Red Sox, it would be weird to like wear a Red Sox hat. That Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like that to me is a little weird because now it’s like you’re not even rooting for your kid. You’re rooting for like that’s repping the team. You know what I mean? Like that to me is a little different. And to me, like I just think like different scenarios are just really different. Like if one like if the season is like in the scenario and Jerry Reo is a Cowboy fan, the season is just o if the season is just done for the for the Giants and your kids on the Giants. Like why does it really matter that much if the Giants win? Like so the Giants go seven and uh so the Giants go seven and 10 instead of six and 11. Yeah. Like does that really matter that much? Like whereas the Cowboys need this in order to like w make it in order to like make the playoffs to me like that’s like like I I would just be like, “Okay, yeah, it doesn’t really matter in that scenario.” But let let me play the rest of the audio because Chris McMonicle, who was co-hosting uh kind of took my side on this. Well, actually, I asked the question. It’s not really clear from the a from the phone call which side I’m on, but I I I made it very clear which side. So, he kind of took my side on and I really believe almost everybody else out there would too. Yeah. You you do have an example. Um I I do have the kids. There’s they’re six and eight and I’ve coached their teams. We’re still not at the point where like the the score is legitimately yet like it’s I’m not I have yet to coach a game where it’s like intense and like we talk about it the day before. It’s like big game coming up. We got there’s a big one, you know, you you win this one, we move on to states or whatever like that. So, I haven’t been there yet where it’s mostly just been working on his skill set as opposed to worrying about whether or not they win or lose. So, I haven’t felt that juice yet. Maybe that would change me. But yeah, I mean to his point, like I don’t think it’s crazy to me. Like, do you think it’s crazy? Like, in that scenario, my son’s a Red Sox. He’s the first base for the Boston Red Sox. They’re in dead last and I need the Yankees to win a game to get to the postseason. I’m a bad guy if I want the Yankees to win that game. Yeah, that’s that’s the rest of the audio. And it’s like, yeah, in that case, I I have to say I very much agree. Like like or in your case, it’s the opposite. Yankees are in dead last. Um, and your kids on the Yankees and the Red Sox are Yeah. need the game to make the playoffs. Like like that that to me like I’m not like in that case it’s like does it really matter if they win that game or not? It changes nothing. Yeah. No, like that that’s actually also a really good point too. It’s also like in terms of where the teams are specifically like if the Red Sox were complete dead last and you were supporting your kid who was a Yankee and they were a game away and he had a certain time where he was up you know for you know home run opportunity or something like that like okay like yeah like you know that that case it’s like it’s what it is like you know you know go root for your kid like you know it’s he’s obviously you know I think family comes first specifically over kind of how your Phantom’s going to be. So, I’m going to take that overall type of side. Like, it would pay me it would pay me for myself to, you know, have a kid that was a Yankee, but like I’m going to support him. Like, if he hits one for the team to win, I’m going to do it. Well, I think there’s other questions too that we didn’t get to, which is also like at what level of family? It’s like, okay, like there’s kid, like your own kid, but then there’s like nephew, cousin, so Like at what point does that personal connect like there are different levels not even just with family just with personal connections like yeah or like what if like we had a friend or something like a good friend that was on one of these teams like it’s a similar type of question. It’s not the same level as a child but it’s like it’s the same type of thing which is like at what point do you like root for your friend? At what point do you root for your team? Mhm. Well, like like that’s another thing. Like if it’s a cousin, if I had a cousin on the Patriots, I don’t I don’t know. I don’t think I could root for If I had a Also, the other question is like where they play on that team? Like, is it the starting quarterback or the starting pitcher or is it like a bench player? That has something to do with it too, I think. Like if I had a cousin who was a practi who was like a special teams player on the Patriots, I don’t think I’d be rooting for the Patriots, right? But if I had like a son or something like that who was like the starting quarterback on the Patriots changes the math quite a bit. Yeah. I know. Like that’s a great point too is like if my my son was a quarterback for the New York Jets and I had people asking me in terms of like why are you all of a sudden going crazy for your know your rival type team? Uh dude, my son is a party quarterback. Like I I think you can hopefully understand specifically where I’m getting from. So um yeah, I mean if if they were asking you know where does your son play for the Jets specifically? I know obviously you’re a pass fan. um he’s on the uh third string uh you know 13 string quarterback dep chart. Oh, they’ll be like, “Okay, all right.” You know, be like whatever type of thing, right? You know, like they’d be happy for me. Like, you know, my son, but like they’re not going to go, “Oh my god, like that’s insane.” Like instead of like, you know, say like my son was Garrett Wilson or you know, Jamar Chase, right? You know, a household type of name where you know, your kid obviously will be like that. Like if you were like a Steeler fan, but you know, your son was Joe Burke, right? You know, kind of the overall comp get. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. like that that changes it a lot. The other question is is the other part of it is like the degree of your fandom. That’s another thing like is it your favorite team in all of sports or is it like your fourth favorite team? Yeah. All of sports. Like I’m an Islander fan kind of but I’m not really I’m an Islander fan but I’m not a big hockey fan. Uh and of all the teams I root for the Islanders are probably the one I care about the least. Like so something like that it would be like it wouldn’t it wouldn’t hit as bad like like it wouldn’t matter. I mean the the idea of a relative of mine playing in the NHL is more cartoonish than playing in like the NFL because I don’t know I don’t know anybody in my family who plays hockey but or or can even skate. But in that hypothetical scenario, I it’s a little different because like I don’t care nearly as much about the Islanders as I do say the Jets. Um and so like that or like even a team like just say St. John’s or something like that. Like I’m a St. John’s fan but like and I follow the team but I don’t follow them the way I follow like the Mets or the Jets or the Knicks or anything like that. Like they’re not my number they’re far from being my number one team. like a super fan type. Right. Right. So I guess I guess that would have a lot to do with it also. Um and but like for me it’s like I I just don’t think it’s so black and white. I think there’s a lot of gray area. Uh I think there’s a lot of gray area and I do think there’s a difference between rooting for the individual and rooting for the team. Like for how many for how long have we heard uh about like Cavs fans just being LeBron fans? Yeah. And that always seems to or like Warrior fans, you know, during the uh Steph Curry days. Yeah. Were you were you truly a fan of that team before like the big three really came to fruition or were you just kind of like on them like you know people were going to be? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Moving the goalposts is presented by Playback. Watching sports is more fun with others, but we spend too much time watching alone. 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Um and overall like we’ll have to like it depends whether or not these are good moves. I like the Garrett Wilson SC uh extension a lot more than the Sauce Gardner extension. Um, football is not basketball where players individually, star players that are young, you got to sign them early. Uh, like it’s not it’s obviously different. Like you you’re not going to have and it’s and it’s not like with a quarterback either where you have to like hold on to your star quarterbacks. Like if you look at a team like Oklahoma City and and we can talk about that too, but like they they sign like their young players to big contracts, but that’s because like Oklahoma City just won a championship and with those guys they make them a good team. Whereas in football, you can have a Hall of Fame cornerback, you can have a Hall of Fame running back, you can have a Hall of Fame wide receiver all on the same team and stink. That can happen. Um, I mean I think and and the thing is is like I’m not I like the Garrett Wilson signing a lot more because I I just like the way Garrett Wilson has played a lot more a lot more than S Gardner. I think S Gardner is very overrated. I don’t think he’s good enough to have a nickname. Um he was all he was hyped up a lot coming out of college. Uh but ultimately it really like the Jets just have to get everything else together. Um, and maybe it’s a good move if they do all of those other things, but otherwise it it would be like it it would just be the equivalent of somebody who’s like in debt, can barely afford rent, but has like two really nice sports cars. Like that’s what it would be like because you would just be spending all this money on two great players for no reason. I mean, the good news is they’re both young and it’s they’re they’re going to be young by the time the contracts like come up, but both of these positions uniquely, I would say, are dependent on the the rest of the team. I mean, wide receivers, they have to have a quarterback to throw to them. Like they’re not like, and you know, to some degree in football, everybody’s dependent on each other, but wide receivers really are dependent. Like, if you have no quarterback, you can’t really have good numbers. And corners are really also like it’s underrated how dependent they are on the rest of their defense. Like corners like they they can cover wide receivers for a couple of seconds, but if there’s no pressure on the quarterback, that’s going to hurt them a lot. So there is a really good chance that even if Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner end up being great that it could be a waste of money. Yeah. Um, I uh actually I I listen to a I watch a you know you call me crazy but I actually watch a Jets podcast like for a kid that’s kind of like we’re our age and it’s because you know I followed him on X. He does a really good job with the Jets type of stuff and he was actually talking about the Garrett Wilson extension yesterday. Um and you know of course the sauce gor you know extension talks are kind of right around it. And you know the Garrett Wilson apparently like accord I don’t know if like he has any type of sources per se but like he’s met Garrett Wilson multiple times and kind of has a good idea in terms of who he is and stuff like that. And um I don’t know if he has like any type of other you know insight but he was mentioning how the talks with Garrett Wilson actually were much tougher with the Jets you know kind of beforehand than saw who was saying this who was saying this uh this Jake Osman. Um he he does stuff specifically he has a big Osman show on YouTube. Um I think I know that name. Uh he he also is uh talking with Michael K in the past as well too on the Michael K show. Um really good kid. I’ve never met him before but um he just seems like he at least has a little bit of insight when it comes to just maybe some like media circles or whatever kind of with the team. But he was talking about how he felt like the Garrett Wilson extend like when they got the extension on for Garrett Wilson, he kind of had it feeling like the saw was going to come right after the fact. Um because the Garrett Wilson uh extension a little bit more tougher because of the type of like receiver that he is and obviously, you know, he is in the upper echelon of type of receivers, you know, like the Jamar Chasees of the world. Um, and so once the Jets got that done, you know, S obviously is going to be the next guy, you know, to kind of follow suit. Um, I agree with you when it comes to S. I do think he’s a little overrated. I think though, you know, a quarterback having a true number one type of quarterback, whether you want to say it or not, I think is massive. Um, and I think, you know, for the Jets, especially when he’s really young, you know, a three to four year type of contract isn’t really going to kill you by the end of it because like, you know, you, you know, going out and and paying guys specifically. You just don’t know in terms of how a lot of these corners are going to be. I mean, heck, Christian Gonzalez, you know, could have a kind of a down year this upcoming year. I don’t think he’s going to. But, I’m not going to go out of my way and say, listen, like the guy shouldn’t be paid. I mean, this guy specifically is a young kid and I think he’s going to have a lot more better years than not. So like I kind of look at that with the same thing with Sauce. Like I think Sauce like I hope that Sauce continues to downfall as an overall pass fan. But like looking as an unbiased sake, I think Sauce is a really good fit for this overall type of team. And too Nick Aaron Glenn we talked about obviously you know Aaron Glenn becoming a defensive type of coach. I think he might be able to fit the overall type of system that Aaron Glenn might have compared to Well, so was Robert Salah, right? But also when you kind of take a look at some of the defensive type of coaches, they have different type of systems also. Like it’s not going to be always the same type of overall system when you have one defensive coach over another one. I mean, sometimes it’s the same, but like I also see kind of different coaches in which you may be able to fit the overall type of, you know, style better. You know, some obviously play, you know, man, some obviously play zone, right? Obviously, it just kind of, you know, it depends really. But um I think you know the number one win for this overall thing is Justin Fields because Justin Fields now is known for a fact that he has a guy for at least for his contract. Justin Fields has a two-year contract with the New York Jets. But I think that you know Garrett Wilson and Justin Fields if you remember they played each other at at Ohio State. So I think that you know if they played with each other with each other. Yeah. Um, so I mean I think that this is a massive win for Justin Fields because he can take a look at this long-term plan and be like, listen, like I’m in a true number one for the next four years and I’m in a two-year type of contract. You know, maybe if you know the Jets obviously with Fields does really really well with the overall type of team, which I think he will be. Um, you know, you would wouldn’t be shocked if you know, he went to stayed for another couple more years. And you know, I think with the Jets, you know, they’re kind of in a certain, you know, transition where they feel like that they’re really close enough to try to get themselves into a playoff spot. And I think when you pay these two type of guys where you have arguably the best player offensively and arguably the best player defensively, I think the Jets are looking in a pretty good spot right now. Yeah. No, I I I I generally agree. All I’m saying is like we just don’t know because it look both of these guys were on the team last year too and what ended up happening and the Jets this year even with both of them and it’s not that I’m saying it’s a bad move. It really just depends on everything else they do. If the Jets are going to be one of the worst teams in football, what’s the point of spending all of that money in total $250 million over the next four years when if you’re just going to stink anyway. And and I’m not saying that should be their attitude of just putting their hands up and saying we’re going to stink anyway. It doesn’t matter. But they just have to do everything else right too. It’s not like signing a quarterback where it’s like that’s the goal in and of itself. I mean, obviously there’s other things like you need to offensive lineman and things like that, but like you you can be so like the Jets can be a bad team with Garrett Wilson and S Gardner as we saw last season. I mean, I guess the good thing about this year is that they’ll have the thing with the Jets this season is that they’ll have uh their coaching situation will be a bit better. Anything is better than Jeff Olberch, which like that was just unbelievably. That is a pretty low bar, but heck, you’re going to take that. It’s a low bar. Although, I I will have to say there’s a really good chance the quarterback situation is probably worse. I think that they’re in a worse place in terms of the quarterback situation. Um, I mean, I don’t have a whole lot of faith in Justin Fields. Uh, this is now his third stop. It didn’t work out with the Bears. It didn’t work out with the Steelers. Um, one thing I agree with Pit I actually thought in Pittsburgh like he, you know, they the Steelers were kind of in a weird spot quarterback wise. I I didn’t really even think he played that bad before they went to run. Um, the Bears, I think that he was just in a really tough situation there. Um, you know, he was just not on a very good team. So, I I think I mean, I’m not like a, you know, off the rails type of Justin Fields fan. I liked him obviously out of college. Um, you know, I do think that, you know, Aaron Rogers is probably a better, safer type of of bet, but I I don’t think that Justin Fields at times too had the right, you know, uh, he he didn’t wasn’t fair all the time, specifically when it came to a lot of his teams I was on. Yeah. No, I agree. Like I that’s fair. Like to say it didn’t work out with the Steelers. Well, I wouldn’t say it didn’t work out with the Steelers. would probably rephrase that, but like they didn’t want to keep them. Like that’s kind of how I would put it. And they and but the point is is that like the Bears and the Steelers, they’re both teams that just don’t they can never seem to get their offense right. Um they they’re just not wellrun either of them, it seems like. I mean, the Steelers, they’re a storied franchise, but like in recent years, in the past decade or so, they they have not been a well-run franchise. Yeah. Um and the Jets, the problem is the Jets also fit that description. Like it would be one thing if the Jets were like they had a really good offensive-minded head coach. They really have they really have a good system and they have a good GM and their whole situation is figured out. But that’s the opposite of the Jets. Nobody would look at the Jets and say that. You don’t even need to be a sports fan to know that that are a clown show of an organization. They might be a bigger clown show of an organization than the Brown than the Bears and the Steelers. So, if it didn’t work out with the Bears, what makes me think it’s going to work out with the Jets? And Aaron Glenn’s a defensive-minded head coach, and that’s fine. I’m fine with defensive-minded head coaches, but it’s like when you have a young quarterback who’s still developing that we’re kind of unsure about, is a defensive-minded head coach really the best scenario? No. Uh, like, it really just isn’t. Some defensive mind, I’m not saying Aaron Glenn is going to fit this description. I don’t know. But, you know, some defensive-minded head coaches, especially when they when they’ve spent a lot of time as defensive coordinators, don’t really aren’t really involved in the offense. Robert Salah was not involved in the offense. He was a very good defensive mind, but he really wasn’t very involved in the offense, and that was a problem. And I’m worried that Aaron Glenn might also be like that. Now, I’m not saying he definitely will. And he did say that like he’s going that he’s wants to be very involved in the offense and everything. It’s easy to talk a big game before it ever actually happens. So, I don’t know if I believe it yet. I mean, I remember when Mike McCagn was hired as the GM, he was he always talked a big game and everybody was all excited and he kind of stunk. It was just like it was right after they fired John who was one of the worst GMs in the history of football. So, I don’t really know like it’s a similar situation now. We saw most of the season under Jeff Olrich who was just like the biggest disaster we could have imagined. So Aaron Glenn is probably a step up. Um but how much of a step up? I would say probably a pretty big step up but it’s doesn’t just because it’s a big step up doesn’t mean it’s like the best thing they could have done. Yes. Yeah. Like like with the situation with Justin Fields, I would rather see an offensive-minded head coach. That’s what I’d rather see with a young quarterback in that with a quarterback in that situation. I wanted to see them hire Doug Peterson. That’s not a popular opinion. It doesn’t matter anymore. They’re not getting him. It’s not worth talking about. Uh but my thought process was like, why do we need another former defensive coordinator as the next Jets head coach? like it it’s just doing the same with no experience and with a with a with a rookie with a young not a rookie but like a young quarterback who’s kind of developing that we’re unsure about. I I just don’t think it’s very likely that this works out very well which is like I I which is why I didn’t like the hire. If anything, we would have been better off with just another year with Aaron Rodgers. Uh that would have been that most likely would have been better. I don’t think that Justin Fields is or is just going to catch all this magic all of a sudden going to the Jets. Like that just doesn’t make sense. Like the Jets don’t get the most out of their quarterbacks. They’re one of the teams that is actually the worst with especially with young quarterbacks. Gino Smith and Sam Darnold kind of prove it. So I like to me that that was always an issue and that’s going to be an issue with Garrett Wilson. not so much with Sauce Gardner obviously, but with Garrett Wilson that can very much be an issue because if your quarterback can’t get it together, then how’s that going to work with the wide receiver? So, that that’s another issue that I have. And they, you know, for both of these guys, they have four years to kind of figure it out. Um, which actually a fairly high amount of time. I mean, I I guess it’s possible that that it could work out pretty well that they can make that work, but they’re going to have to make it work. Otherwise, they’re just wasting money. That’s the thing. Otherwise, they’re just wasting money. And one more thing before I move on is I do think a lot of times when you extend your young guys, a lot of times too is yeah, like obviously the biggest thing is they want to get paid. But another thing is, okay, like you’re going to have a four-year type of plan. Okay, what is the plan going to look like? I think a lot of the times when your agent and the front office obviously is talking to you a lot of times I mean of course the Jets have been a known for an organization where they’ve made a lot massive lot of mistakes but there has to be a certain type of situation of like okay here is our long-term outlook like how is it going to look because it doesn’t make sense to sign a fouryear whatever type of contract that you’re getting unless you don’t know like a certain short-term plan and a long-term type of plan in place. I mean, of course, Garrett Wilson got paid because yes, he obviously is the Jets. Like, he he’s going to be the number one type of option. Of course, that maybe it’s just an overall factor, but a lot of these type of athletes when they’re in an organization specifically where they’re not like I mean, no offense to the Jets, per se, Nick, but like the Jets haven’t been winning something in a long long time of time. They haven’t made the playoffs in half my life. Yeah. So, so it’s like, you know, when Garrett Wilson looks at it like for four years and says, okay, like I really, really, really want to win, it’s like, okay, like am I going to be here for the next, you know, four years to to eight years knowing for a fact that I want to help myself to try to win a Super Bowl or like I mean, of course, you can make it in two ways, but or do I really just want to be paid as one of the biggest receivers in the league? Of course, which he’s going to be. Um, but sometimes you want to have the factor of kind of both ways also too. So I do think that with these two contract extensions, there had to be some type of communication between the front office and of course like the staff and stuff. Well, yeah. Yeah, obviously. And like I said, we just have to wait and see. Like like they can’t like it it’s just too that’s just how football is. It’s very dependent on a bunch of other things. Um, and you know, we’ve seen football players, really great players, have their careers be just wasted on bad teams. We we’ve seen that. Um, and part of me thinks that like a player like Garrett Wilson just doesn’t deserve to be on the Jets. He deserves better. Part of me really feels that way. But and similar to Saquon, like Saquon, like sure it sucks for Giant fans that Saquon Barkley is not on the Giants anymore, but let’s face it, you’d be you’d have a losing record. You would have missed the playoffs even even if you were to be really generous with the amount of games Saquon Barkley would have won you. You would just be wasting Saquon Barkley’s career and your team would really just be getting a worse draft pick. Like your situation wouldn’t be that much different. Um, and I’m worried that that might be the case with Garrett Wilson, which is how it was last year. The difference with S Gardner is that S Gardner had a bad year. He wasn’t good at all. Um, and part of that was, in fairness, was the Jets defense overall was bad. The Jets defense suffered a lot after they fired Salah. And that’s going to affect a young player like Sauce Gardner. Yeah. Good news is is that he’s still young. And the thing with corners is that the thing with corners is that they’re hard to come. really great corners that they’re hard to come by and their window is short ve uniquely short. So when when you can you pay them a lot of money for a short period of time usually before they turn 30 and you know that that’s usually but if you look at the best corners it’s always shortlived. Terrell Rivas, Richard Sherman, Josh Norman, it’s all like this it’s like a new guy every couple of years. Uh that’s that always seems to be how it works. And the Jets last year had two really great two really good corners, but like one of the worst defenses. Uh like like they how many teams have one good corner, let alone two. The Jets had two and their defense was terrible. Like how do you do that? Um all right, I want to talk about this. Fox Sports had a whole bunch of cancellations. Um I don’t know if you heard about this. They canled three TV shows. Uh they they canled three TV shows. Uh they canled Breakfast Ball. Uh uh speak which used to be called speak for yourself. Okay. Yeah. So they they basically went from speak for for yourself to speak. They shortened it to now it’s um so they kept shortening it shortening it. uh uh and and um the facility. Um and I I I’m really surprised by this actually. Uh apparently it was because of low ratings. Um it seems like I mean I I guess that might it seems like there’s a lot there’s been a lot of like cancellations on on sports TV shows. Um it happened with Around the Horn and people were like freaking out about it that Around the Horn got cancelled. I mean, I get it’s a sentimental thing, but if I don’t ever watch around the horn the rest of my life, I’m not losing any sleep. I’m fine with it. I mean, yeah, like I I just think that like sports, you have to people have to understand that television and nobody really cares that any of these shows are canceled. I’m not saying that as an insult. I’m just saying like they weren’t around for like 20 years like Around the Horn was, so there’s no real attachment to them for most people. Um, and I think that there’s a few things with sports TV and it seems like with some of these shows, I mean, the facility and breakfast ball were very very new and the the content seemed to be a little bit different. Um, and the truth is when it comes to sports television, it seems like there’s like a few guys, a few people that really make it work. Uh, Stephen A. Smith is great at it. Shannon Sharp when there’s no scandals in his personal life and he didn’t actually be on television is great. Skip Bis was great. Um despite people not liking a lot of the like not liking Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bis and saying they ruined sports media. Yeah. That’s like when people say Steph Curry ruined basketball. Like people are taking threes all the time. It’s like that mean if you if you’re good if you’re good enough to ruin something that means you’re really great at it. If you’re good enough to quoteunquote ruin sports television then you were just great at it. Um and the thing is is that I think that they were trying to like do things a lot different. If you look at the shows that really lasted, it’s the shows that really like that have been around longer and they they kind of knew what they were it was like a format that worked a lot better. the show like First Things First. Um the show I mean the herd it’s a radio show but it’s been it’s simal cast on TV. That worked really well because Colin Coward is like is he’s a he’s a very he’s a very compelling personality and people wanted to watch him and he’s been on the air for a long time. uh and a show like First Take something like these debate type of shows. Whereas with these shows, it seems like they were trying all sorts of new things with people that weren’t on TV very long, if at all. And some of these shows, I mean, Joy Taylor was on TV for a long time, but she was never really like a main host. She was ma she was never like on that level. She was us like she was on the herd for a little bit. She was the host on a felon. Like a psychic felon. Not even like that, but just like the role was different. It was like a lesser role it seems like. And they were trying to like make it work in all of these ways. I mean, Craig Carton is one of the greatest radio personalities ever. Not just sports radio, but radio. And it didn’t really work on TV all that well, I guess. I mean, I don’t know how bad the ratings were. I mean, the ratings right now, I can’t imagine would be that good. It’s the middle of the summer. There’s not much to talk about. Yeah. Uh so and and Emanuel Ao has been on Fox Sports a while now in terms of now I know Joy Taylor is not going to be on I think they let her go completely. Just because a show gets canceled doesn’t mean the personality gets let go. They might have other plans for them. That certainly could be the case. Um I don’t know what like how much of this you saw. I was just shocked that they like made this that they canceled all of them that the ratings were this bad. I I don’t know. It I haven’t looked at them, but it seems like they just felt like they had to make a move. Yeah. I mean, I didn’t I didn’t really get the chance to like really watch a lot of these. Um it wasn’t because I didn’t I don’t have a lot of time to watch TV. Like I I often watch games after they happen because I don’t have time. Yeah. Uh yeah. I mean for for Fox Sports I mean of course like I knew of course a lot of the guys Emanuel Ato obviously Joy Taylor Rob Parker obviously is has done a lot of stuff with them also u who was it McCoy like you know obviously there’s guys specifically that of course were like former players or just like kind of like journeyman type of host and stuff like that but like I agree with you like I didn’t feel like a lot of these type of overall shows were kind of taking off, per se. And I think, you know, the Joy Taylor, of course, there was of course that stuff, you know, kind of already off the scenes. Yeah. Like that that was a pretty like that may have been a good enough reason to let her go. I I would I would say I mean there was of course like kind of like a a telling like, you know, sake of like if if you’re obviously in the next like couple months like just be prepared like you just might not have a job for the foreseeable future. not because of that specific, but like we’re talking like the whole entire network might be on the move also um with a lot of these type of shows being cancelled. But yeah, I just never like I was never really attached to them already person uh for myself like if it was one thing like for me like I like watching first take more and like I watch you know um the the one in the morning on ESPN uh Oh uh Get Up. Get up. Yeah. Yeah. like I’ll watch like that like kind of more than I’d watch the other stuff on like Fox Sport. There’s just so many different type of sports, you know, channels now with different type of shows. It’s like, you know, yeah, of course you’re probably there’s probably like a a fan base out there that like is like totally devastated of this like like how can you make this like but like I’m not looking to like the whole entire like sports media industry and just like saying wow this is like a tragic type of like like around the horn I felt like there was a lot more like scrutiny of like oh like damn like that that of course was a show that was just all on for a long period of time. These just never really took off. So, I just doesn’t Yeah, of course it sucks for these overall type of, you know, anchors and and the people of course were doing these because of course not having a job right now, but like they’re going to be getting I mean they’re like professional athletes that get guaranteed contracts. That’s all they’re gonna be they’re going to be making money regardless. And like I feel like you just you could definitely probably figure something out, you know, whether it’s a radio show or a podcast like people do podcast Nick just like it’s out of the woodwork. I mean, even like uh you know, there’s a guy specifically on WEI in Boston that was on like the midday show and I don’t he hasn’t been doing that for a long period of time, but he does podcasting. Like he’s still doing something with the overall type of business. Huh? You’re talking about Glenn Hardway. No. Uh Andy Gres. Oh, okay. I think I know that name. Um but like Andy Gres was a guy that, you know, was on the midday show. Of course, he was there for a long period of time, but like a lot of these people in Fox Sports, like of course, you know, congrats to them specifically on terms of what they were doing, but I just didn’t really feel like it was so long enough where I can like even like for me, like I don’t even watch anyway. But like for a lot of people that even watched it a lot like can remember like these type of shows because they just really never took off. Yeah. Like I think it’s certainly possible that they just never got a fair chance. Um, and and some of these shows like the like some like there is I think it seems like there is this perception with when you put former athletes on TV. Like let’s be honest, former athletes often jump the line when it comes to being on like TV personalities and some of them are really good. Some of them are not. Some of them many of them are not and they’re only put on there because they’re former athletes. Shannon Sharp is an amazing TV personality. He could have been a TV personality even if he wasn’t a former athlete, but I mean Paul Pierce, Lehan McCoy, Keshan Johnson, they’re not great personalities in terms of like in terms of like, you know, talking about sports on TV. They’re not really like that. like they’re not Shannon Sharp and like that’s going to have a lot of like and like I just don’t think they’re compelling in the same way just because they’re former athletes and just and also sometimes these former athletes they only really have expertise on the sports that they played. So it’s like okay Paul Pierce can talk about basketball can talk about football. It’s like like we know that but just because they can talk about one sport doesn’t mean they can talk about everything that they talk about. Yeah. like Dan Lov like Dan Olowski in football, right? You know, if if I wanted to run a basketball show, like I like Dann of course there’s a lot of people that don’t like Danovski, but I like Dan Arloski. I mean, of course, just my overall like he’s a Connecticut type of guy. I got the chance to bump into him out of crazy for my work, which was insane. Um, and just like the overall type of I think he’s just good on air. I mean, that’s just of course ESPN actually just uh put into a three to four year type of extension with with the network. So like that’s the type of guy where like if I want to get a certain type of you know football take I I go to him because of course he has that but like I’m not going to go to him be like hey I’m doing a hockey show you know do you know he if you’re like a fair you know he probably I don’t know I don’t know in terms of if Dan supports a hockey team like save like is a Ranger fan like I’m not going to go right to him and be like so Dan how do you feel about the Rangers right because like because like you know he’s probably just an overall type of hockey fan like you know he could be a dire for all I know, but I’m not expecting it because of because of what the stuff that he runs on TV. Yeah. Yeah. I The thing is I think I’m sorry to cut you off. No, no, you’re good. You’re good. Uh the thing is is that like I think Keshan Johnson like he used to be on ESPN. He was on Monday Night Countdown and he was on the pre he was on the pregame show every Sunday and he was really good on that. Like I thought Keshan Johnson as an analyst was really good. It’s just not the same thing as doing a daily sports show as a like all sports show. It’s it’s obviously completely different. Like analysts have to know a lot about that sport, which you obviously do as a former player, but it’s not the same thing as having a take about everything. And in fairness, like you said, maybe these shows just didn’t really have a fair chance. Like maybe the reason the ratings apparently weren’t so good is because they’re just new shows that never really got a chance to take off and people are watching what they wanted what they were watching beforehand. Um and and by the way there were talks about bad ratings about a whole lot of ESPN shows too. I mean Get Up had terrible from what I heard at least. Get Up seemed to have bad ratings when it first started uh seven years ago and it’s still on now. Um, well, yeah. I mean, it’s sometimes it’s not the overall show that doesn’t do well, it’s the people that are part like if you get the right people and the show’s obviously kicking ass, then of course you’re expecting good results. But if if you like if you have a pretty good show and like say like one of the people either left or just they don’t have that certain type of guy that’s like yes, like that’s the guy that kind of runs it, then it’s like, well, it doesn’t hit the same or it’s just not as good anymore. Yeah. And like I said, TV is just like it just seems to be a I guess radio’s got I mean radio is very much like this too. Like it’s all just a very like fickle business and it’s really it’s the luck of the drop essentially. It’s basically in terms of like if you come in like like so I like watching the Michael K show right with with obviously Don LGrea and and Pete Rosenberg and I mean now do I watch uh at you know midday with Alan Khan, Don LGrea and P Rosenberg as much? Probably not. Like Michael K to me specifically was kind of the guy in terms of kind of leading the overall pack. Like I like Gre like I like Donald Gre of course I’m congratulations to him be the new voice by of the Devils this upcoming season by the way but like those really weren’t the guys specifically I really want watch the show because I mean they were great don’t get me wrong but I’m watching it because of a certain guy so sometimes it’s like the show if you like the overall show but there’s a certain type of person like this you know first take I think a lot of people like first take because of Stephen A. Smith or Yeah. And yeah, it’s not it’s not just Stephen A. Smith the way like it’s not even just like the way he is on TV, which used to be a which used to be the whole thing, but it’s also the way he runs the show. The fact that he has like recurring guests to talk about different things like Mad Dog is on every Wednesday and things like that. Like the way he runs it is very very good. He knows what he’s doing because of his years of experience. Yeah. Um, and look, to me, I’m not one to bash TV people uh for their shows failing. Look, failure is just a part of the business. And if you do a lot of stuff, you’re going to fail. Uh, it’s just a reality. Like, that’s going to happen at some point, especially when you’re trying new things. Like a lot of these people were new to television, so it just makes sense on some level that they might not get it right right away. Like I like Craig Carton was an is a great radio personality. Like the ratings prove it. He was never on TV before, right? Um and by the way, it doesn’t mean that I don’t think he can be successful on TV. It just didn’t work this particular time. It doesn’t mean that he couldn’t be on. Now, the question is, is he gonna go back to the fan? I I don’t There were talks about him going back to WFAN, but it’s not even clear to me that he’s out at Fox Sports. This his TV show was just canceled. They might have other plans for him. So, I I don’t really know. Maybe they use him as a contributor. Like, that does happen a lot like when they they just have a lot of news channels do this too. They have people that just come on hop on different shows as contributors. I’ve never It’s hard to see him in that role because I see him as a host. Um, but that that certainly could be the case. It was it was always weird like because he was he was in New York for so many years. I always thought thought of him as like a New York personality and then he became a national personality. It was just so different. Yeah. But yeah, I don’t know. It’s all I can say is TV, radio, it’s a very fickle business and they can just podcasting is less like that is podcasting is a lot less like that. If you run your own podcast and you have a whole bunch of viewers, unlike us, um, and you make and you’re bringing in a ton of money, you know, it’s a little different, you know, than with TV and radio. But yeah, we didn’t even get a chance to talk about the home run derby. All right, who cares? I’ll just say this. Hold on. Cal Cal Raleigh wins the home run derby. I made a bet and I picked the right guy, so that was it. All right, so you picked the right guy. first time a catcher won the home run derby, which actually kind of surprised me. Um, but yeah, he’s he like leads the league. Wait, is he the league leader in home runs? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he’s leading it right now. And speaking really quickly, make sure if you guys want to listen to more Cal Raleigh uh talk, watch me and Ryan on this past week on Playback on the Baseball Monanza as we talked about Cal Raleigh and Aaron Judge the MVP uh debates. Here’s one more thing about that. Yeah, here’s the question. Will it mess up his swing like the home run derby has done for a lot of other guys? I don’t think so because there like you just kind of know like with some like Jazz Chisum I think is an example of a guy specifically in which I mean he didn’t really he kind of was in it because of the overall show. I don’t think specifically he was in just because he’s a power threat. Cal Raleigh just has the overall type of swing that I think it’s just kind of natural to him where it’s not gonna really affect him compared to some other guys. And two, if anything, I mean, you look at Lan Sono for instance a couple years ago where he had a horrific first half, went to the home run derby. People thought specifically he was absolutely crazy and then had one of the best second halfs that he’s had in his career. So for some guys specifically, it’s great and for some other guys it’s not. But I think when Cal Riley takes just the overall type of swing that he has, I think it’s it’s not gonna affect. Yeah. All right. So, that’s our show this week. I’m Nick D. Martino. That’s Ben Cruz. You can follow me on Twitter at Nick Demart, Ben, Ben Cruz 144. You can follow uh them to the Bench Network Network and this podcast across social media uh MTGP. Uh I’ll be back next week. See you guys then. Heat. Heat.
On Episode 75 of Moving the Goal Posts with Nick DiMartino and Ben Kruse
Presented by Playback
– Jannik Sinner wins Wimbledon
– Nick calls into WFAN
– NY Jets extend Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner
– Fox Sports/FS1 cancellations
– Cal Raleigh wins Home Run Derby
– AND MORE
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