Why Jonathan Kuminga Would Be A Bad Fit With The Phoenix Suns… | Ben Garcia Show
The Phoenix Suns have been busy and I was like, she man, I hope they don’t trade for Jonathan Kaminga last week where I’m taking a week off from the Ben Garcia show, rejuicing, resetting a little bit. But then it started to come out hot and heavy that the Phoenix Suns are interested in Jonathan Kaminga. And here’s what I’ll say about it. It’s very interesting to me the amount of Suns fans who are very intrigued by bringing Jonathan Kaminga to the Phoenix Suns and I’m just not there. I don’t think Jonathan Kaminga is a bad player at all. In fact, I think he could help the Suns in a few different avenues. I think he could help pressure the rim. That was an issue that the Suns had last year. I think to some extent he can playmake and create his own shot. However, as much as I think Jonathan Kamingo would be fun and be a cool addition to the Suns and it would add a little bit more pizzazz to the season, let’s be honest, we’re pretty much going after Jonathan Kaminga as Suns fans. Brian Gregory, Matt Ishbia, there is no schematic X’s and O’s lens that you could look at this through and say this makes sense. The Suns, if the Suns were to acquire Jonathan Kaminga, where does he start? Where does he go? I don’t understand. Is he going to be the uh uh the three or the four on this team? Do you really want to sit Dylan Brooks on the bench and start Jonathan Kaminga at the three? You’re talking about a lineup with no shooting at all. It’s Devin Booker, Jayen Green, Jonathan Kaminga, Ryan Dunn, Mark Williams. Sure, you’re going to be pressuring the rim. You’re going to be able to dribble, drive, and kick it out to someone on the perimeter, but you have no one that can consistently hit an open three-point bucket. You got a couple of guys who can create their own shot, but you’re not talking about a bunch of guys who are going to be able to create for others. It doesn’t make a ton of sense at all. In fact, I don’t I don’t get the avenue that some Suns fans are really going down with this. It’s not me saying I don’t want Jonathan Kaminga. It’s not all bad. As I’ve mentioned before, he could pepper the inside of the cup. He will be able to dribble drive. He will suck defenders into the paint and kick it out to open guys, but outside of Devin Booker, who isn’t a great three-point shooter either, there’s no one that the defense will feel like they have to get out on and so they’ll all crash to the interior and make the Suns hit wide open buckets. Okay, fine. and you want to keep Dylan Brooks in and then you want to start Jonathan Kaminga at the four. So then Ryan Dunn goes to the bench and you’re talking about a starting lineup that has the same issues as it did last season. It was far too small or you didn’t have anyone who could defend the other team’s best player. Dylan Brooks is a solid defender, but he’s more so a willing defender. And with Ryan Dunn next to him, it’s going to make things very easy or much easier. It’s going to make things much easier to swap guys off of the pick and roll, communicate better defensively. Ryan Dunn can take the opposing team’s best player and Dylan Brooks, who is much more suited to take the the second best player on the opposing team. That would make sense. But Kaminga shoots sub 30% from three. I don’t know if I want to send my last remaining assets, that being Oso Vicodaro, Grayson Allen’s contract, and a couple of second round picks for Jonathan Kaminga. If that’s all that the Suns feel like that they could get for those two guys, sure, I would do a deal because it’s a lowrisk, high reward. You’re probably getting Jonathan Kaminga in the $25 million a year range. I get it. But then that means down the line you’re probably passing up on other players that you might be able to get for Oso Giggodaro. This is not a I hate Jonathan Kamingo rant. That’s not the point that I’m trying to make. All I’m saying is Jonathan Aminga, although a talented player and I do think would fit somewhere in the NBA and at his best as a four or fifth best player on a championship level team, fits better elsewhere like the Sacramento Kings than he would in Phoenix. And I don’t know if I’m willing to give up my last remaining assets, that being Oso Wiggodaro, for him. When later down the line, maybe someone who’s a little bit better of a three-point shooter and more of a true power forward becomes available that I could shift Oso Gadaro to and package some of my leftover picks for for that player. Kaminga feels like we’re getting too far ahead of ourselves. It feels like we’re spoiled as Suns fans who have had these riches, an embarrassment of riches of uh uh signing after signing and wheeling and dealing and bringing in players and sending players out. It’s usually not that easy and at some point the bill does become due and so the Suns have to come to a crossroads. Do they want to spend their last remaining assets in Oso Egodaro, who I’m more than willing to part ways with on a guy who doesn’t fit very well on the Suns? He does bring athleticism. He allows the Suns to play with more pace. He gets to the cup very effectively, or I guess I should say he gets to the cup more easily than some of the other players on the Suns team. But then you’re talking about too much of the same thing offensively and then it becomes redundancy. And then you have an offense like last year where it was Booker, Beal, and and Kevin Durant where all three guys kind of did the same exact thing but in a worse version of themselves. Jonathan Kaminga and Jaylen Green are more or less the same player. Kaminga is just a lesser than version and I already have Jaylen Green. And when you’re talking about what I want to do for Jordan not in his first year as a head coach, I don’t know if I want to give him someone that Steve Kerr himself a Hall of Fame level head coach and one of the best head coaches in my lifetime. I don’t know if I want to give Jordan not a player that Steve Cerr himself couldn’t figure out and then say to each other, “Jord, you put him on the floor and figure out how to make this work.” It just feels like too much, guys. Uh my guy Steve in the chat saying, “I’m not giving up Oso Gadara for Kaminga.” That I think is a little nuts like on its own. The only reason why I’m saying Oso Gadaro is someone maybe I would wait later on to trade for Jonathan Kaminga, Osoadaro is a very uninspiring offensive basketball player. If he gets to the line more like he did in summer league and he pressures the rim like he did more in summer league, uh continues to pass the ball pretty effectively and just be an overall high IQ basketball player, I get why. However, he’s a pretty limited offensive basketball player, and it’s not like he’s some defensive anchor. So, I don’t want to make this a thing where I’m unwilling to part with Oso ADARo. That’s nuts. OSO is a highly subpar offensive player and a defensive player that just doesn’t stick out like a sore thumb and is not going to get exposed defensively. So that kind of stuff is like I I totally would move I totally move off Boso. I just don’t know if I would do it for Jonathan Kaminga because the Suns just don’t have that many assets and maybe down the line you could move OSO for someone that fits a little bit better on this team. So I I’m not against Jonathan Kaminga. I just don’t think it makes a whole lot of sense for the Suns right now. I think it makes them smaller where I think he would start at the four position and then defensively you’re talking about the Suns kind of getting pushed around and I can’t do that again for a second straight year and then what are you going to do? Bring Jonathan Kaminga off the bench? I don’t think it’s a good idea either. So, I think that the Suns should just be done. They’ve done a really good job with the team they have now, constructing a roster that will work for the future. I think at this point they’re doing a little too much, being in too many trade conversations. I get it. You want to check out the price. I appreciate them doing that. I applaud that. But look at the team you have now. Get out while you’re ahead. And don’t I I would just say this feels like a heat check trade. You’ve nailed every single trade and now you’re going from way downtown trying to hit one down. That I mean honestly guys is just just doesn’t make a lot of sense for this team. Heat check yourself. Let’s be done with it. Let’s move on. And when someone becomes available that fits this team a little bit better, maybe a skilled defensive player, a skilled 3 and D player, then I would be more willing to move on from players so that those guys could fit this team better than what Oso Gadaro could.
The Phoenix Suns are in deep discussions to try and land Jonathan Kuminga but is it really the best move for the team? Have the Suns already done enough to improve this offseason?
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19 comments
evening guys
I don't understand it as well !
It don’t matter it’s a win by addition by subtraction for a player that plays in the same conference. The west is deep, take the talent make the new owner spend some money
I will say I am suns fan who is intrigued. I think if we can get him at 25 mil or less a year, it’s not a bad move and I would make that deal.
My thoughts:
1. He is a young talent that we can take a risk on when you do not have draft capital and we can possibly have a young fringe all star. And you do not spend any 1st rounders for him.
2. Brooks is not a long term solution. We keep him this year and we have flexibility to move him next. He has value. If kaminga doesn’t work, we look to move him. I think those two hold more value than Allen or O’Neale
3. The salary at 25 million is a solid salary as the cap moves up. With the dead cap of Beal we won’t be able to sign a major player unless it is for the 30 million range. So this actually works out well if he has success.
I do not believe the warriors are in a strong position to make us give up a ton of assets. I am a big oso fan but if he is the difference… take the risk. Oso’s value I do not believe will get you a returning asset like kaminga anytime soon. He is small for a 5 and can’t shoot.
I do not think the suns can sign a young free agent like this or gain a young draft asset since we do not have draft capital or cap since Beal dead cap hit. Take a swing and move on from brooks next year if necessary. The goal at this point for me is get another person for book. We stay patient and let the price go down. While I enjoy Allen and O’Neale if you have to give up Allen and Richards do it. If you give us O’Neale, Richards or oso. Do it. Just my thoughts from a suns fan that is intrigued and how it makes sense to me. Appreciate the points as always
Ben Sir, I must Say I agree with you man It don’t make sense with this Roster we have
LMFAO. News flash Oso ain't got much trade value. PHX doesn't even trust his development – drafted TWO bigs and traded for a center. If he carve out a bigger role in PHX, that only means something catastrophic happen to their TWO rookie bigs and Mark Williams.
If in some dumb world GSW give up Kuminga for Oso, Grayson plus two mediocre 2RPs – that's a no brainier, just figure out the fit later. Doubt they can land a better upside gamble than Kuminga with just Oso and two 2RPs as your trade bait. And that Oso value would just drop the longer you hold on to him as opportunities wont really come for him as PHX will prioritize Khaman & Flemings..
*Already rumored SAC offered a protected future 1RP plus their 1RP in 2024 – Devin Carter (that's two 1RP value). GSW has Jackson-Davis on the roster, basically the same architype as Oso 👀
I really agree with you. There's always next off-season
I keep hearing Kerr is a great coach….he is great with guards but not so much with forwards. Kerr would play 3 point guards if he could. His forwards are asked to just rebound, block shots and screen. Get points by hustle and accident. Kuminga doesn't get enough rebounds for Kerr and too upright on defense. Both can be worked on.
Harrison Barnes knew his role, Livingston was big enough to act as a forward at times, Otto Porter, but Kerr and team called Kelly Uber one of the dumbest players, Andrew Wiggins had personal problems supposedly, Durant didn't have to be told anything and Butler knows the role of rebound, put back, and then score when the team O stalls.
But Kerr loves Curry, Pods, Gary Payton III, Jordan Poole, Hield, & Klay. Kerr was a guard who does well coaching up guards. Not so much forwards. Adelmann was also known as a guard centric coach.
Catch-n-Shoot 3's (24/25): Jalen Green (40.9%), O'Neale (42.2%), Grayson (43.4%), Dillon (40.9%), Gillespie (43.5%), Jordan Goodwin (41.4%) / Jared Butler (38.4%), Booker (36.5%), Kuminga (35% rounded up). I don't understand "No guys that can make shots." Think of Cavs model of 10-12 man rotation always putting fresh bodies in, wearing down the defense. Thunder and Pacers did the same. More teams will follow.
You will have three guys attacking the rim, shooters on the perimeter, lob threat in Mark Williams, Maluach, Fleming. Huntley. It's a pick your poison defense…..take away the three and Green, Booker and Kuminga are going to bust defenses, pack the paint and the 3-point shooters will bury the opposition. And when teams take away both drive and shooters then the pass over the defenders to a lob dunker strikes them. Maluach is being groomed to be the Suns Mobley version creating space as a 3-pt threat. Asked to shoot around 6 threes in summer league games.
I would rather the Suns trade for Trey Murphy who has scored well in all play types in past seasons (minus last year), but the Suns have no draft picks for several years. Collecting 23 years olds and training them up for the next few years seems like your best option…..while still competing. Run. Run. Run….get easy rim runs, open threes, deflections, steals, rotate defensively like banshee's and good things may happen.
Suns content creators are so negative, I keep hearing I don't understand the parts? How does this all fit?
Stop thinking old school old conventional ways. League is changing when the Thunder win the championship with 6'5" Alex Caruso logging in excessive minutes at center. But Kuminga is too small….really.
I hear what you’re saying but I don’t agree. You have to see this potential deal through the lens of both filling a need at the 4 (Dunn is not a 4, too « skinny » imo) and seizing the opportunity to buy low. If the deal is Allen (or Royce), Richards, Oso and a couple 2nd rounders I do it. It would also mean a starting salary of 25M (Royce) or 30M (Allen). I don’t think you’ll get a better potential than JK for this package later this season or next. My 2 cent.
Kuminga is a big NO for me.
With Booker and Green in the back court I don’t see the problem. I don’t agree with the Green and JK comparisons at all. It’s a great fit. The only question would be who gets more touches. JK has way more potential than Green
Yes for me. Kuminga had a lot of upside and freakishly athletic. Almost Amare 2.0. My 2 cents. He will never get the PT he needs playing under Draymond. That’s basically Draymond team. But when he does play 25-30 mins a night he’s putting up 20+ points. That’s green, Booker, and kuminga 20+ a game
He would get starting minutes.