Grading the offseason for the Memphis Grizzlies

Grading the offseason for the Memphis Grizzlies

Mor with a running start. Element overdone. Gasol will turn his he is gone. Memphis on top. 17 remaining. And finally now a three. Count it. A 15-point lead for Memphis. And Blake Griffin gets into it on the floor with Randol. Hard to tell if there are any punches being thrown under there, but Griffin took exception. Adams going long. Mor insanity. You got to be kidding me. Welcome to Grits and Grinds, a Memphis Grizzlies podcast. My name is Keith Parish. On today’s episode, let’s do the trope where we grade the Grizzlies off season. It does feel like the Grizzlies off season is done. Of course, technically they could still at any moment make some big swing for a player by trading KCP in multiple first round picks or something, but no one thinks that’s going to happen. I haven’t recorded an episode in over a week because it’s the off seasonason. Nothing is happening. I mean, we are gearing up for the schedule release. The NBA schedule will be released on Thursday. We already know the Grizzlies preseason games. We know they are going to Europe, but we’ll find out the rest of the schedule this Thursday. So, that’s exciting. That’s something to look forward to. There is other Grizzlies news. Sort of the long rumored and partially confirmed Jiren Jackson Jr. Jersey number change is now official. Jiren posted on social media that he’s changing his number from 13 to 8 to honor his father, Jiren Jackson, Senior, who played in the NBA. This also happens to be Jiren’s eighth season coming up. Who are the best number eights in Grizzlies team history? I’ll give you a second. I mean, I equate the number eight maybe strangely to James Inennis. That’s who I think of the most. Michael Dickerson is the best player in Grizzlies franchise history to wear the number eight. Most recently, Lamar Stevens wore it last year, but he only wore it that one season. Zire Williams wore it. Marshon Brooks, notable number eight. Quincy Pond Dexter wore it one season. Of course, he’s a number 20 as far as we’re concerned. It’s an interesting choice by Jiren. The one thing that I think needs to be asked about the jersey number change, how much does this reduce the odds of Jiren Jackson Jr. having his jersey retired by the franchise? I feel like massively. I mean, let’s say the Grizzlies win a title and Jiren is a key part of that. Let’s say he’s the best player because he outplays Jaw or something. I’m just going with the theoretical. If the Grizzlies win a title, do they retire his number eight? Do they retire both numbers? That feels unlikely. So, I don’t know if Jiren fully considered the legacy/J jersey retirement ramifications of changing his number. I’m going to guess it had little or no effect on the decision. Does it matter? Of course not. Change your number. Very excited. Um I’m just messing around, I guess, with the jersey retirement. But I do wonder what effect that could have. Now, let’s talk about the Grizzlies off season. Actually, before we do it, a reminder. If you want to support my show, do that at patreon.comfastbreak. If you want to join my listeners, Slack. If you want to get bonus episodes, if you want to play fantasy football and basketball with me and other listeners, patreon.comfastbreak breakfast. All right, this off season, how would we grade it? Let’s go over what the Grizzlies did. And I’m not even going to go over like front office decisions as far as personnel. I mean, they hired Tomas Eselo. Should that weigh in? I I guess so. But I’m a person who doesn’t pretend to have an opinion on how coaches are hired. Should they have interviewed a bunch of other candidates? Maybe. I can see the the pros to that. Was Tomas Isilo the best guy? I don’t know. Hopefully. I can’t fain to know what goes into all that. where when it comes to like player transactions, I feel like I understand that a little bit better. When I assess what players are going to help you win games, I feel like I have a good grasp on that. So, I’m not going to weigh in like the coaching staff they hired and then also giving Tomas isolo the contract as your full-time head coach. But the player moves that were made, the transactions that occurred. Of course, the biggest one is they traded Desmond Bane. They traded Desmond Bane for Contavius Caldwell Pope, Cole Anthony. Four first round picks, which was this year’s pick in 2025. Also a valuable 2026 pick that included the Suns pick swap. Then the 28 and 30 picks from the Magic. also an additional swap in 2029. The Grizzlies then used two of those picks to get Cedric Coward in the draft. They also drafted Javon Small and Jamai Mhach in the late second round. The Grizzlies then waved or they bought out Cole Anthony stretched his contract to create the last remaining space needed to renegotiate Jiren Jackson Jr. and give him an extension keeping him from entering unrestricted free agency next year. A part of that was also letting your free agents go. Luke Canard gone. Marvin Beckley gone. Lamar Stevens number eight gone. The Grizzlies also made a pretty big free agent splash by signing Ty Jerome to the room exception. This is the first notable free agent or the first free agent making more than the minimum they signed in the offseason. I think that’s all the correct caveats since Taius Jones. They hadn’t used their MLE or anything. Like they signed Derrick Rose to the minimum. Bism Bambbo was signed for more than the minimum. That was an emergency replacement there. But the Tai Jerome, I would say easily the biggest free agent splash the Grizzlies made have made since Tus Jones. So they signed Tai Jerome. They also traded Jay Huff to the Pacers for a couple of second round picks. They replaced him with Jock Landell on a one-year minimum. They were also because of stretching Cole Anthony able to give Cam Spencer a three-year deal at the minimum. So that’s everything they did. How do we grade that? I think first of all we have to set up what is the goal? What’s the goal? What is the rubric by which we assign a grade? Also, it’s hard to look at these moves as just individual moves that happened this summer. Sometimes we have to weigh in the big picture. Like if you just look for example at the Jiren Jackson Jr. thing or the Cole Anthony waving and stretching him. If you would say, okay, they waved and stretched Cole Anthony so they could keep Jiren from entering unrestricted free agency. That’s an easy win. You would give that an A or a B or something. You might push back and say, “Listen, Cole Anthony could have been a valuable vet off the bench. He would be a spark plug scorer. Be especially useful when John Maranch misses games. Also notably, very important, nice salary. A $13 million salary is unbelievably useful as matching salary in a trade. So that’s the push back to waving Cole Anthony. But when you weigh keeping Jiren Jackson Jr. or having some dead money on the books for the next few seasons, you say, “Oh, easy win. Let’s keep Jiren Jackson Jr. But that isn’t everything that went into keeping Jiren Jackson Jr. There’s a much longer history of moves that occurred to keep Jiren Jackson Jr. to give him more money this year to raise his salary by $13 million or whatever it was this season.” A lot of stuff went into that. They had to salary dump Marcus Smart. They used the 18th pick to do that. Last off season, they had to salary dump Zer Williams. They used a second round pick to do that. They got rid of Jake Laoravia. Everyone’s praising the Lakers for acquiring Jake Laavia. The Grizzlies got rid of him so they could keep Jiren Jackson Jr. So like the total list of things that went into keeping Jiren Jackson Jr., Not even considering the opportunity cost. Let’s just say the list of things to clear the cap space for Jiren. First round pick, second round pick. Got rid of Marcus Smart, got rid of Jake Laorabia, got rid of Zyra Williams, got rid of Cole Anthony. Oh, by the way, you also traded Desmond Bane. Now, you still could have kept Desmond Bane and worked out the thing with Jiren if you got rid of John Conchar’s money. Maybe stretching John Contra would have gotten you close. I’m not sure. But all those things went into giving Jiren this contract. The opportunity cost thing I would mention is they didn’t sign free agents the last few years because they didn’t want to have anybody’s extra salary going into this season. They didn’t improve the team last year because they wanted to make sure the the books were clean to give Jiren this money this off season. They I think cost them uh I don’t know if they cost themselves playoff wins, but it feels like they did. They made the team worse last year at the trade deadline. They did a terrible job I in my opinion last offseason. Like this goes back to what’s the point or what’s the what’s the objective? What’s the goal? The goal is in Zack Kimman’s own words is to win a championship. and I quote, “The goal is and continues to be to win a championship.” That’s Zack Kimman back in 2022. He said some version of that basically every offseason. Quote, “The decision-making northstar continues to be what’s going to maximize our chances of doing so, building in a sustainable way.” The goal is sustainable success. I would amend that to say the well the goal is winning a championship like Zack Kleman said. I think the sustainable success part has to be sustainable contention. You have to be a contender sustainably. I think that addition that I’ve made makes my grades maybe a little bit tougher than you see other places. Also completing my thought finally on the opportunity cost of the Jiren Jackson Jr. contract renegotiation and extension. I mean not only did you not I think maximize your last two years. You might have had the the big three John Jiren Jackson Jr. Desmond Bane era end with the whimper. There’s that opportunity cost. Not only did you not trade for another great player to to play alongside those guys, also you could just look at it like, oh, you did all these things to create this cap space that you gave to Jiren. What if you went out and signed a free agent with that money, that $15 million you created? You could have gotten into Kale Alexander Walker. Is that a better bit of long-term business? Being a little bit uncomfortable having Jiren going into under free agency, but trying to make your roster better. If they would have won more games last year, maybe he would have made all NBA and they wouldn’t have needed to create all that cap space. So, it becomes difficult, I think, grading these things. Last off season, if you remember, my offseason grade was terrible. I gave them a D minus. I did not understand a thing that they did and I understood it. I didn’t agree with much of it. In retrospect, we now understand, oh, they did all these things to create cap space. Creating cap space wasn’t on my agenda. I was trying to push them to continue to acrue the contracts of good players and to go into the tax. They basically bent over backwards last summer to avoid the tax. But now we understand it’s it’s also because they were keeping this quote unquote flexibility, this optionality open of being able to clear space if needed to retain Jiren Jackson Jr. I thought last summer and I feel like the consensus was this wasn’t just me. This is what everyone thought until things happened and then everyone changed their opinions. Last summer coming off a lost season where the team was terrible and injured and John Mar started the year on a suspension and it went horribly. You ended up with a lottery pick. But the idea was like, all right, how are we going to now rebuild? We need to get a starting center and we need to upgrade on the wing. We need to get a fourth guy to play with Jaw and Jiren and Dez. And what did they do last offseason? They drafted a starting center. You could say the Zachi picked great first team all rookie this last year. Good stuff. My objection was they drafted for need. They went into last offseason saying let’s let’s draft our starting center. And I was like, well, how many teams win a playoff series with the rookie starting center? I don’t think it’s that many. And of course, I mean, you think like Derek Lively playing alongside Luca Dantic, but I was like, I have concerns about just drafting a a starter if we’re considering ourselves to be a contender, a team that’s going to win or get out of the first round. And of course, they still could have done other things. They could have used free agency. They could have done trades to bring in other players. So, when the offseason was over last year, I’m like, “All right, what do we do?” We drafted some rookies, which feels like doubling down on youth again, despite Zack Kimman saying tripling down on youth was a mistake. It’s a frequent thing that happens every single season. Every single season, it’s like, well, there’s more rookies. Uh, there’s not veterans. The team right now is not very old. There are not very many. Uh, are there any? Oh, yeah. KCP. I was trying to think of who are the old players. Contavious Cwell poop. But last summer it was all right, we brought in Zack Edy, we salary dumped Zire Williams, and that wasn’t a big deal as far as losing Zyra Williams. But what that signaled to me last offseason was, oh, they aren’t going to trade for another player. We’re not bringing in a fourth player. That clearly signaled we’re not making a trade in the offseason and we’re also less likely now to trade for a player in the regular season because you got rid of this useful matching salary. So last offseason I’m like wait we salary dumped Zyra Williams just to create cap space to retain Luke Canard when Luke Canard felt superfluous. Instead of signing I don’t know like a rotation level big or another wing we kept Luke Canard which I felt was a very low priority. They salary dumped a guy. They did not sign any other any other outside free agents. They didn’t make any trades. I was like, that’s a bad off season based on what we were hoping for to go into the year with saying, oh yeah, our new players are Jaylen Wells and Zack Edy. And of course, they were great. And the Jaylen Wells pick looks amazing. If you want to retroactively change the grade because the draft pick of Jaylen Wells was so good, that’s fair. I agree to that. But it didn’t make the team better. And I said last offseason going into the year, the Grizzlies are still very good. I just don’t think they’re going to get out of the first round of the playoffs. And I thought we were trying to get better. I thought we’re trying to maximize these years of John and Jiren Jackson Jr. being an underpaid asset and they didn’t do it. And then you compound it with the trade deadline, which again, the trade deadline was shocking to most people because they s they didn’t use Marcus Smart in a first round pick to get a player to help them win. They used Marcus Smart and that first round pick that ended up being the 18th pick this year just to clear clear cash. And then of course the Grizzlies finished the regular season on a terrible run. Taylor Jenkins gets fired. They end up in the playin. They they eke their way into the postseason but then get swept by the Thunder. So, while I didn’t understand the point of a lot of things that were happening at the time that this is all about keeping Jiren Jackson Jr., now that I know that, now that we all know that was the reason, it doesn’t change my grade much because what’s the goal for me? The goal is to win playoff games. The goal is to get better. The goal is to be a a sustainable contender. I don’t think the Grizzlies have been a contender since Brandon Clark and Stephen Adams got hurt back in the 2023 season. So now, how do I grade this off season? That was a excessively long preamble. Sorry. I would say it’s hard because again, I don’t know. I don’t know how you accept the fact that the Grizzlies are further from contention than ever. Their odds of winning the West, their Vegas odds of winning the title are as low as they have been since John’s second season. Jaylen Wells and Zack Edy, very promising young players. I think it’s a fair argument to say, are they better than Dylan Brooks and Jonas Valenunis were three seasons ago. I think the Grizzlies could be fourth or fifth in the West. I think they’re probably playinbound, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth. Of course, they have more picks because of trading Desmond Bane. like just just assessing the Desmond Bane trade on its own, you say that’s a really good return. Four first round picks and a swap and a useful veteran, arguably two useful veterans and Cole Anthony in in conte. But the things don’t happen in a vacuum. You say or is that is that the best move to make in the prime of John Marant and Jiren Jackson Jr.? It’s also hard as Grizzlies fans to even assess what’s happened the past couple of years because on the one hand, you have a lot of success when the team is healthy. The team last season had the sixth best net rating in the NBA. They were top 10 in offense and defensive rating. One of five teams to do that was the Thunder, the Celtics, the Cavaliers, I think the and the Timberwolves, and the Grizzlies. But the way the year ended, it all went so terribly that you kind of forget a lot of that stuff. You also have the success of the 2022 season and the 2023 season where you race through the regular season and you honestly looks competitive. You know, you beat the Timberwolves that first playoff breakthrough. You beat the Timberwolves and then you had a very competitive series against the Warriors. Been over it so many times. They had fourth quarter leads and numerous losses. But then you go into the next year, they did triple down on youth, but also of course the Steven Adams injury and the Brandon Clark injuries were massive and that’s why you lose to the Lakers. So there is that success. Even last year, a lot of success, although last year, you could always correctly maybe point out the the winning percentage against bad teams was was unreal, but they they never beat good teams last year. So, there was success with Desmond Bane and Jiren Jackson Jr. and John Mar. And the idea that like, oh, they couldn’t get there with those guys, I don’t think has ever been proven. I think if you don’t surround them with great players, that makes it harder. It’s also very frustrating where it feels like the NBA has embraced the quote no weak link theory where like you’re only as good as your worst player in uh in a time where the Grizzlies are doing the opposite. They’ve just keep kind of hammering away at their depth and now they’ve gone even further in that direction saying we’re going to build around John Marant and Jiren Jackson Jr. and then just surround them with the right role players and maybe some guy pops maybe maybe Cedric Coward turns out to be Jimmy Butler but it took Jimmy Butler you know four years to get great um you know maybe Ed and Wells level up. So, it’s a tough task and I understand always as a fan being optimistic for each season, but when you look at like the Grizzlies title odds being 100 to one or 150 to one, you’re like, we are a long shot and you’re like, you look at the win totals and you’re like, we are not in the top of the conference. And the idea that the Grizzlies are not near the top of the conference in people’s predictions, I think is frustrating when you know the path that we’ve come and you look back at the 2022 season and say, “Uh, we had we had three extra first round picks then.” So, like, how am I supposed to get excited about having multiple extra first round picks now with a much worse team? So, it’s tough. And I don’t know if I’m even going to give you an answer or a letter grade. I don’t mean to cheat you. I didn’t write one down when I started recording this episode. Like the Desmond Bane trade is fine. The most convincing argument that I hear that I agree with, if you’re going to be a playin team, which might be what the Grizz were going to be if they kept Desmond Bane, if you’re going to be a playin team, wouldn’t you rather have those first round picks? And yeah, that’s a convincing argument. Part of that, of course, I think, is ownership. If ownership is never going to let you go into the tax, well then, okay, maybe we can’t afford to pay Desmond Bane and also John Mar and also Jiren Jackson Jr. If ownership is not willing to spend money, okay, then that goes to what are we grading on? Are we grading on a curve? Are we grading on I want to build a sustainable pretty good team, a sustainable team that makes the playoffs? If that’s the question, I don’t think it’s a slam dunk still because you could say what’s more sustainable, having Desmond Bane through like the last four years of him being in his 20s or having first round picks? Because first round picks aren’t actually good basketball players. their chances at good basketball players, but they might not actually be good basketball players. So, despite the fact that you bring in all those picks for Desen Bane, I’m still I’m split, man. I mean, Desen Bane, I think, might be the seventh best player in Grizzlies franchise history. I was trying to organize them for Parker Fleming, who’s putting together trying to put together the best 25 player since the Grizzlies have been in Memphis. They’re celebrating the 25th anniversary of that. I mean, Desbane is the shooting guard we waited on for like, I don’t know, forever, 20 years to have an elite shooting guard. So, to turn him into all those picks, you say, “Nice transaction.” The cap heads and the uh the the podcasting nerds, which I consider myself one of, like we’re like, “Oh, yeah, great return.” But where the Grizzlies are, and if the goal is to win championships, that’s tough. Maybe this is a better way to get there, but it’s a longer way to get there. So, I have mixed feelings on it. The rest of their transactions are easy. I mean, the draft, okay, they they paid a lot. Reminder, they paid a lot to move up in the draft. They used a future first round pick and a second to go from 16 to 11. So, they paid a lot to trade up in the draft. In aggregate, they traded Desmond Bane for KCP, the draft rights to Cedric Coward, two first round picks, and a swap. So that makes it I think less I think when you combine those things, which is I think the right way to do it, it makes it a little bit less exciting as far as the trade return. So I have more mixed feelings on that. the other moves. I mean, just to grade them individually, like the Jay Huff trade, I might be higher on that than most people. To me, you know how we say, “Oh, if the Grizzlies are going to cap out as the sixth or seventh best team in the West, might as well trade Desmond Bane for picks.” I’m like, “All right, if the Grizzlies are the seventh to ninth best team in the West, yeah, trade Jay-Hawk for two second round picks. Who cares? Who cares?” That’s so like I would give that like a B under the Yeah, trade him for picks. We’ll find another player. Um, the Cam Spencer signing, I give it a C minus. Why do we have to sign Cam Spencer? I mean, I like Cam Spencer. I liked him more than Luke Canard at the end of last season, but like, can he not play on a two-way? Was someone else going to sign him? Do we need to have him for three years? What’s his ceiling? I don’t know. It might turn out to be an unbelievably good signing, but I would give that maybe like a C or C minus. I give Jay Huff, say like a B, the J Huff trade. Jock Landell, proven deep bench big, who can start in a pinch for you at the minimum. Yeah, great. That works for me. Like like a B+. And then the Ty Jerome thing I think is great. I mean, Ty Jerome thing, I’d give that an A. I I have concerns that the Cavs chose Sam Merrill over Ty Jerome. Ty Jerome is pretty old. I have concerns about his lack of a track record that it was like a one-year perfect season for Ty Jerome, but I mean it’s only a little bit more than you’re paying John Kar. So I think I think the Tai Jerome signing I give that an A. Uh, so I give it an incomplete just because I don’t know how I don’t know how I deal with my feelings that the Grizzlies have not gotten closer to winning a championship. I think the the way they’re pitching it, the way anyone defends the trade, you say, “Oh, now we have more avenues to go further.” But also, we’re hitching our wagon to Jarant, which is it’s a little scary, I think, depending more on John. I mean, John is the most exciting player the Grizzlies have ever had. He is probably the most talented player. His peak is the best player in Grizzlies franchise history. We just haven’t seen the sustained peak. We haven’t seen John Mar playing the games. We haven’t seen him have that postseason success. He’s put up some great postseason numbers, but his early postseason numbers were so amazing. Now we’re looking at this really tough run of like the Grizzlies have won two playoff games with John since that playoff series win against the Timberwolves. John has played in two playoff wins. One against the Warriors, one against the Lakers. I know they were up by 29 against the Thunder in game three, but all that is scary to me. And so now saying, well, we have a little bit more flexibility. We got these picks that we could trade. Stop me if you’ve heard that before. And maybe Cedric Coward breaks through. Maybe Jaylen Wells breaks through. But it is hard, I think, to get overwhelmingly optimistic about the Grizzlies being a contender, about bringing a championship to the Grizzlies. I think they’re going to be very competitive. I think they honestly might be a little bit slept on. I haven’t done my win totals yet where I try to figure out where I think every team is at, but like the Grizzlies are good. I think I think they’re good. I think they could have some like I don’t know like like they have a lot of averageish players now maybe. So a little bit of depth. Some of that needs to work itself out who’s going to play among like Cedric Coward and Vince Williams Jr. and Gigi Jackson and John Kchar and Cam Spencer. So there’s stuff to work out there. How do the minutes between Ty Jerome and Scotty Pippen Jr. and you know how does that shake out playing with John Mar. So they’re a good playoff team. Maybe that’s too far. They’re a they’re a decent team that frankly if they were in the East might be competing for home court advantage and that’s another weird thing when you try to assign grades to stuff. Of course you’re working under your team’s specific situations but you look at the Grizzlies right now you’re like man tough Western Conference got rid of Desmond Bane. It’s kind of risky. How are they going to stack up? And then you’re like, man, if they were in the East, they might be the four seed. Like, they’re definitely making the playoffs. Everyone’s excited about the Hawks. I think the Grizzlies are better than the Hawks. I could be wrong. So, I guess I’ve kind of uh cheated a little bit. I guess I would give it maybe like if I if you were forced to give a grade, I might give it like a C minus because my the big concern, the big takeaway is like what’s what’s the goal? Is the goal to win championship? Oh, we feel further from a championship than we have in four years. I feel that way. I’m not just looking at the Vegas odds. That’s how I feel. I agree. I can’t imagine the Grizzlies winning multiple playoff series. And the idea that they have flexibility to the to to somehow get better than they were when they had Desmond Bane. I’m like, I don’t I don’t see how that move is going to happen. And I think Truth Serum, what’s the Grizzlies path to a championship? I think if you if you got the truth serum into the decision makers, they would say uh that 2026 Orlando pick or our pick ending up in the top five of next year’s NBA draft. So, I think the hope maybe for the for next year is, hey, what if we get two uh two top 10 picks? Not that they’re going to go into the year. I think thinking about their own pick being in the top 10, but I think a lot of teams are in the NBA are going to steer that direction when they start thinking about the incredible draft next year and saying, “Hey, that’s our way to catch up to the Thunder to get, you know, to the top of this league.” So because of that, there is just so much context needed with all of these Grizzlies moves this off season. And I can understand someone being like, “Oh yeah, B+ the Desmond Bane trade is great.” I always say it’s easy to win a trade when your objective is not to improve. Like if you’re not trying to to win games, you can be the Jazz and you can just trade guys and get picks. You can use your cap space to bring in guys and get picks and say, “Oh yeah, we won the trade.” When you’re actually trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs, it’s much harder to win trades. The Magic are trying to get out of the first round of the playoffs. The Magic are trying to get to the conference finals. They’re trying to get to the finals. They paid a premium in picks to get Desmond Bane. If you say they paid too much, you’re like, well, what’s the goal? And for them right now, the goal is to win games. And so that’s where that’s where I get confused. It’s hard to as far as how to evaluate what the Grizzlies have done or to assign some arbitrary letter grade to what the Grizzlies have done. But as always, offseason grades are for entertainment. We want the best for the team. Uh how you evaluate it, open to interpretation. I’m always uh excited to hear other people’s interpretations, too. Anyways, uh that’s all for today. Again, if you want to play fantasy football with me, I’ll be doing signups uh probably in a couple of weeks over at patreon.com/fastbreak. That’s the best most direct way to support the creation of this show. I’ll probably have an episode out later this week because of the uh schedule release going over all of that good stuff. Anyways, hope you guys are having a great summer. I’ll talk to you soon. Go Grizz.

The Grizzlies are arguably further from title contention than they’ve been in several seasons after trading Desmond Bane to the Magic, so how would you assess their busy offseason? It was an offseason that saw the team avoid free agency with Jaren Jackson Jr, add Ty Jerome, and acquire Cedric Coward in the lottery. 

What are the standards to judge the offseason? What is the overall goal to be measured by? 

This episode discusses those questions.

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