MLB Now | Milwaukee Brewers on second 10-game win streak of season – Brian Kenny reaction

MLB Now | Milwaukee Brewers on second 10-game win streak of season – Brian Kenny reaction

Back here on MLB now getting ready in Milwaukee. Kids are out on the field uh getting ready for the Pirates and Brewers a little later on tonight. Paul SK a 1.94 ERA taking on the best team in baseball. I didn’t just say best record in baseball. I was going to think what are they doing there already? But you know sometimes they have those clinics before the games where some of the players help out. Boy, those Brewers are young. Boy, they really got with the youth system there. Yeah, Brewers 74 and 44, 10game winning streak, lead all of baseball and run differential. Let’s get into it a little bit. Here’s how they beat you. This is last night against the Pirates. Let’s do some basebally plays of the day pairing baseball on the bases and out on the field. You know, I was just thinking, what if you took a team managed by a former Hall of Fame um college coach and you said to yourself, we’re going to be unselfish. We’re going to have unbelievable energy and our fundamentals are going to be sound. That is a margin for v victory in today’s game. You know, I want to get to this now. As long as you bring that up and you bring up Pat Murphy, uh again, there’s a lot of talk about accountability and that sort of thing. There’s real accountability on the Brewers because if you don’t play their way, you sit. That’s correct. Uh here’s here’s Pat Murphy when he was on the show here about a month ago. You have benched a few guys. Give me your overall philosophy on that. Benched a few guys. So some guys needs to rest once in a while. You know what I mean? They need to rest mentally. Think things through. Yeah. Exactly. They need to know. They need to know it’s not a given, you know, when they look at the lineup card the night before in the morning. They need to know like, hey, you know, I got to do my part. And for us, you go for 20, that’s okay, you know, but you start swinging at balls consistently or you don’t hit the cut off man or you don’t run to first or you don’t, you know, take the extra base or things like that, then those are things that that’s just you can do it once, but if you do it twice, then we got a problem. I I I love that philosophy, Bob. Fantastic. And he has actually benched guys for swinging at pitches outside of the zone when they’ve made it a point of emphasis and they continue to do so. You know, it’s not lip service. It plays itself out every day and every night. This is the way they play. Pat Murphy, you think about it. Craig Councel rated by many as the best manager in the game. Certainly on the short list. He goes to Chicago. They don’t miss a beat. Pat Murphy’s story is one of the great baseball stories. You know, he coached council at Notre Dame. He was a college coach. Then he’s the bench coach. And now here he is. He’s the manager of the year last year. And he’s got the team with the best record in baseball and rolling and doing everything right this year. he could he could win manager of the year. Again, I think the the scenario that is painted by a lot of people is that managers have to be worried. Today’s player needs a lot of conversation. They, you know, they they need kind of to be held accountable, but at the same time with their feelings. What Pat Murphy is telling you, it’s wrong, and it’s always been wrong. You know what? Players want to be led. They want to be managed and led. and Pat Murphy and the Brewers prove it every day. Here’s something else uh that I have found with the Brewers. I’ve been kind of saying it here and there, but we know there’s certain biases, right, in baseball. And one thing baseball is, they’re heightists. Not everybody can be 6’4 and an Adonis like Ron Darling. So, you look at a guy who possibly is 5’8. The Brewers have been saying it all year. They lead the league in guys 5’8. You know, these these are listed heights. Caleb Der listed at 5’7. Isaac Collins could be the rookie of the year listed at 5’8. I think he’s a ninth round pick. South Freri 5’8. Joey Ortiz, okay, listed at 5’10. Bayon is my favorite team now. They’re now my favorite team of all time. Five at 5’11. I don’t believe it. But they’re all that same part. But there is something to it. A lot of these guys were drafted late where you you know how scouts are. They’re like, “Yeah, he’s a great high school player, this and that.” But will that translate? You know, it’s easier when you see a guy who looks the part. The greatest compliment you could be paid seasons ago was, “Boy, he looks like a ball player, doesn’t he?” And that’s what you get with Milwaukee. You have a lot of guys, like I said before, is that not only uh if we’re taking account, they love love athletes. They love versatility. They’ll guys be able to move around. And sometimes the big lumbering athlete is not going to be that kind of player. That’s the preferred player of the Milwaukee against your team, the Mets over the past weekend. They get the throw to the plate to end the game on Marte. They get Isaac Collins, maybe rookie of the year, with the walk home for run. This is back to back games, right? And also they then make a trade for Caleb Durban, right? I think was he in the Cortez trade was made a trade for Dur to from the Yankee system to hey, there’s a 5’8 guy we like. Do you know what I mean? Like so get these guys who they’re also jacked. They’re not like just little guys. They’re 5’8 jacked guys and they lose Willie Adamos to free agency. They lose Corbin Burns, Deon Williams, right? Devin Williams who except for the one faithful pitch to Pete Allonzo was great for them. Trevor McIll comes in. They don’t miss a beat. They find a way to find the players. Isaac Collins, who could be the rookie of the year this year, was a rule five drafty. Inspiring in a lot of ways. Again, you got to get into the weeds on it. 30 games over 500. They’re playing great baseball, 10ame winning streak. When we come back, uh Daniel X, Shenan, among others. Uh there’s about five different statistitian greatest players of all time. Full House Modeling. We’ve only started to read into this, but they have Barry Bonds number one, then Roger Clemens, Willie Mays, Babe Ruth fourth, Hank Aaron fifth. Bob, first, uh, we’ve been doing this a long time and ranking players and ranking all time greats. Again, it was even written in in the Times that like it’s no one has ever said Barry Bonds could be the greatest player of all time. Not true. I mean there there’s certain ways you could you could get there uh cuz his hitting reached such uh an incredible level in his late 30s. But your overall thoughts on greatest player of all time? Well, Maize, Ruth, Aaron are always in the top five of any list no matter what the methodology has been. Clemens generally doesn’t show up that high. Pitchers generally don’t show up that high. And we don’t know the rest of the list. Like you wonder where Walter Johnson is usually ranked higher or Christy Matthew. You wonder about here’s your top five. Now, here’s the thing with Bonds, and I’m weary of this because people think, “Oh, Bob dislikes Barry Bonds.” I actually don’t. I had a nice conversation with him at Willie May’s memorial service. Barry Bonds on his natural merits is in the t on the tiny list of the greatest players of all time. But if you’re going to rank him number one, you are giving undue value to the post peed Barry Bonds. Right. Barry Bond’s lifetime slugging percentage through like 134 seasons was between 555 and 560. In his late 30s, he slugged over 800 twice and 799 once. We have the splits. Can we show the home run rate was like once 15 times at bat and then it went to once every 6.5 from age 21 to 34. Just to this OPS plus and by the way OPS plus is adjusted to the run scoring of the league in that very year. So you can compare Barry Bonds to Babe Ruth or Rogers Hornby. It’s 163 through his prime and then suddenly postprime when he’s an old man it’s 241. So like he got there illegitimately. It was peeds. But if you want to just wipe that out and a lot of times we do Hall of Fame arguments. If you want to do performance only Bonds is in the equation. I can’t I have my reasons. I I I will not get him over Babe Ruth just objectively. Yeah. I what’s what’s interesting for me is that I’m always told I didn’t play against any of the best players uh the two best players on this. Bonds and and Clemens are two guys I played against. I played against Bonds early in his career. He led off for the Pittsburgh Pirates uh during that time and he was a special player from the second he stepped on the baseball field. You knew he was just going to be one of those great players. And I’m with Bob. He’s on the tiny list of some of the greatest players that have ever put spikes on. Um what’s interesting to me is is not the list per se and it is um but how how you even come to a point where you’re saying that this is original thought in the world where there’s very very little original thought anymore um to to be able to walk your way through uh train rides uh compensation training techniques um in integration I mean all of those things that are so important to comparing players from now and yesterday It’s a very difficult thing. Let’s take a look just quickly on Ruth versus Bonds just objectively to see where they are. OPS Plus for their career. Babe Root 100 is league average. Babe Ruth finished his career at 206. Bonds at 182. So it’s Advantage Ruth. It’s not even close. Led Major League Baseball 12 times. Bonds, look, that’s tremendous. Nine times, but it’s not Ruth. Uh in war, which you know, War was not around for Babe Ruth’s era and barely through Barry’s era. uh 182. That’s hitting and pitching, by the way. And Barry Bonds 162. So, he’s not quite there objectively. Also, uh Babe Ruth pitched 31 innings in the World Series. He led the Red Sox to two World Series titles as a pitcher. He had the record for consecutive shutout innings in the World Series as a pitcher before he became the greatest hitter of all time. So, yeah. In his late 30s, Bonds out hit a prime roof. He did. But greatest player of all time, you can’t get there. And Bonds also was not a good postseason player until the final year when he was juiced up. So I’m sorry you I can’t I’m saying objectively even if you’re saying hey get rid of Steroid just play everybody straight. No he’s not there in any way shape or form. And of course the big comparison whether you’re talking about Ruth and Bonds or Ruth and Aaron Ruth and Maize is that Ruth played against segregated competition. And this is something I don’t this is a big part of their study by the way is that segregation also um uh size of population worldwide demographic. So I just want to be fair in this modeling that they’re doing. They’re saying this is what we’re really taking into account. I would also say are you sure that we’re necessarily getting the largest talent pool now given that you have to have a certain amount of income to even be playing travel ball to make the major leagues. Now those guys are super kids. But but it’s not in the Dominican Republic aren’t wealthy. And then and that’s a big feed. Yeah. But in the United States it is right. It is. And also like are you getting it’s almost like boxing where it’s like are you sure you’re getting all the best athletes? Like how many kids are actually fighting like in the old days? Now how many kids are actually playing baseball in the new days? I think you can get too cute on the modeling and saying well now the population’s larger and you’re open to the world. Clemens is number two on this list. Interesting over Willie Mays. Now, you didn’t see uh in Clemens the huge jump in performance, but you did see uncommon longevity, right? So, that increased his war and undoubtedly his place on the list. Yeah. Um and they’re good with that. I’m saying, “All right, if you want to do performance only, that’s fine.” I know. I looked at other things, too, as I we tried to find the exact lists as you move down and they had like Burke Bllyven extremely high. Bert Bllyven is a Hall of Fame pitcher, but I wouldn’t have him ahead of Lou Garri. And on one of their lists, they did. And so like again, you can get too cute on on on this stuff. That’s almost disqualifying. Yeah. And I hate to even bring that up my who might be watching and Lou Garri is not watching. Right. But I even hate it because it makes sense. It’s almost like when people look at war and they go, “How could this guy be ahead of Derek Jeter? I don’t want to hear war.” It’s like I hate doing that stuff, but like you need to have some consistency and again have some realworld modeling in this in trying to do your adjustments. Listen, when I watched uh Clemens pitch, I always thought it was the greatest in my lifetime watching the greatest power and precision. The Nolan Ryan was the power. There were other guys who were very precise. He was the greatest with power and precision. But to put any pitcher in the top five with guys that play every day just doesn’t make a lot of sense. No. And also just to throw in Babe Ruth, do you know how many like innings show Otani has pitched against? Show Otani an alltime great. He keep hearing greatest player of all time. He’s doing both things at the same time. Otania has pitched 500 innings. Babe Ruth pitched 1,21 innings. So Babe Ruth pitched a ton before he became a hitter. But everybody pitched all the innings then. No, but you didn’t pitch and hit the greatest player of all time. What is Bob doing to No. Do you think about I just looked at it? He’s got a 2.28 RA for over 1,200 innings Ruth before he became a hitter. much better than Barry objectively over his entire career in in the in the dead ball era than before he himself almost single-handedly changed the dead ball the live ball era. Yes, he did. When when he handed in his pitching resume in effect, although he had a little bit of overlap for for hitting that actually ushered in the live ball era. He forced it in. Yes, he did. He made people say, “Okay, we’ve got to play.” This is why Ruth will always be, no matter what the analytics say, no matter what prism you put it through, Ruth will always be on the small list, the tiny list of the most significant players in baseball history, just as Jackie Robinson is on that list. Right. But he stays number one is is what I’m looking at. Like I can’t I can’t unless you want to say May’s leaving pitching aside, May’s a greater all-around player. Yes. Oh yes. And we’ve we’ve done these discussions. I just want to point out like you know how when we did our all century list I started at 1920 because I too was tired of Rogers Hornsby and Hannis Wagner I recognized that baseball was not as mature back then and certain guys could dominate the competition and it’s it’s unfair to have Hornsby always ahead of Joe Morgan. That made no sense to me. Well, we know that you know Morgan versus Hornesby. I would take Morgan but stats wise I couldn’t get there outside the top five. We don’t have the full list here. Where’s Ted Williams? He’s got to be close to that top five. Mickey Manel. Mickey Man’s 23. No, the the whole thing is Man’s 23. Now, now we’ve done it. Now, now we’ve insulted him to his face. This This list This list reeks for me of covet. What do you covet? You coveret what you know. And certainly as we get further away from Maize, Ruth, and Aaron’s career, we coveret those guys that we saw play. Okay. You know what I’m saying? Can you get Bonds one? No. Oh, yeah. Okay. I don’t want to lead the witness. I’m leading the witness. No, he’s in in a small list. Hold on. You made him break out the card. I’m talking to Mickey. M Mickey, no, I’m not standard for this. I I got your back. Don’t worry about it.

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