Honorable mentions: Russell Westbrook, Jimmy Butler, Paul Pierce, Pau Gasol, Ray Allen, Paul George, Deron Williams, Damian Lillard, Baron Davis, Allen Iverson

25) Jason Kidd

24) Jayson Tatum

23) Dwight Howard

22) Draymond Green

21) Manu Ginobili

20) James Harden

19) Tracy McGrady

18) Luka Dončić


Thinking Basketball is doing a podcast series on their top 25 peaks of the 21st century. In the latest episode they discuss the placements of Tracy McGrady and Luka Dončić. Any thoughts on the latest episode or the series so far as a whole?

35 comments
  1. Top 25 peaks and the likes of Damian, AI and Westbrook are honourable mentions? Interesting …

  2. I always thought they had an anti-Harden bias but this looks more like anti-heliocentric bias. Tmac at 19 is laughable.

  3. Harden won a MVP and came in 2nd in two close, semi controversial races. The disrespect is real.

  4. lol terrible

    Remember when Ben Taylor said the clippers would only win 36 games after they acquired harden 2 years ago. Funny enough he never retracted that video even after they acquired harden clippers became the hottest team after January lol

  5. Draymond over Dwight for peak is still insane. Draymond being on this list in general is just insane.

  6. Okay I know they have a methodology and everything but T-Mac (never made it out of the first round) over James Harden is the dumbest take ever

  7. Am I crazy for thinking Manu over Tatum is more controversial than anything else on this list?

  8. Always interesting to hear their perspective. It’s refreshing not getting bombarded with RANGZ and similar arguments.

  9. Russell Westbrook not making top 25 peaks after that triple double season is crazy. I need the criteria ASAP.

  10. Let’s see the sub that defended Manu Ginobili a spot above James Harden defend this Tmac shit yea

  11. I think Thinking Basketball’s criteria is effecting winning at the highest level which isn’t the criteria most people use. Sure obviously westbrook has more accolades and could floor raise an offense better than Draymond or Manu but if you wanna look at on/off splits for guys like Draymond and Manu you see the offense/defense transform when they are in, even sometimes more than their superstar counterpart. There is no doubt they are top tier ceiling raiser for teams at the highest levels and that’s something they prioritize over regular season floor raisers. You may disagree with the criteria but under their rules it at least kind of makes sense.

  12. James Harden‘s peak was absurd. The combination of volume scoring, efficiency, and assisting was unheard of.

  13. Harden might’ve put up the best offensive season in my lifetime and is 20. This is ridiculous. Luka seems to be too low as well. He’s had some insane season numbers.

  14. Awful awful list lol. Tracy McGrady never won a playoff series what are we doing

  15. these threads are always hilarious to me, tb makes an hour+ episode on basically every player mentioned here and people just comment without listening assuming he’s taking crazy pills. Like obviously not everyone will agree but it’s insane how many people rage over an argument they haven’t listened to.

  16. If you tell me peak Manu and Draymond are above peak Tatum and Dwight then that’s where the conversation ends. Same thing for peak Tmac over Harden.

  17. Manu Ginobili was a very good player but he should absolutely not be on this list with these names. That’s a straight up joke.

  18. Kidd’s peak was greater than Draymond, Tatum and Manu. Certainly giving this a listen to hear their reasoning but I’m skeptical.

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