Jeff Blashill’s Blackhawks BAG SKATE in Day Two of Training Camp | CHGO Blackhawks Podcast

Jeff Blashill’s Blackhawks BAG SKATE in Day Two of Training Camp | CHGO Blackhawks Podcast

Day two of training camp for the Blackhawks was intense. The barf buckets were out. We’ll tell you all about it next on CHGO Blackhawks. [Music] [Applause] [Music] Yeah. [Music] Come on. [Music] Happy Friday. Welcome in to the CHGO Blackhawks podcast. Feels like Tuesday. I said the exact same thing this morning cuz camp opened yesterday and it feels like Tuesday, but it is not. It is Friday. We can confirm. Uh Google calendar tells me it is indeed Friday. Uh thanks for being here. Thanks. Thanks for taking some time out of your Friday to be with us. Do us a favor. Hit that like button. Make sure you are subscribed to the YouTube channel as well. So, if you’re listening on the good oldfashioned podcast, we love and thank you. Make sure you’re following on your favorite app and leave us a fivestar review on Apple Podcast or Spotify or Good Pods or whatever. But the Apple podcast and Spotify ones, those go the farthest. So, uh do us a favor and please leave a five star review. What was the one uh you made up months ago? It was like podcastmachine.com or something. I was on the first the first thing I used for the Mad House podcast was Ptoatic was the name of the website that one. Yeah. Um, Podbean is another one. Like, you can’t even make them up cuz they’re so ridiculous already. The ones that actually exist are already absurd. Yeah. So, yeah. I don’t remember the one I made up, but yeah, Pod Machine sounds pretty good. I’d sign up for that. Yeah, I would I would use that one, too. Maybe I already do. I don’t even know. Yeah, the five star review would be great on either of those podcast apps. So, we’re going to talk about the second practice of the day. Uh the big story is that both groups, group one and group two were run through the ringer in a conditioning drill. I I stopped short of calling it a bag skate because a bag skate is a punishment. This was conditioning and um I called it a bag skate. Yeah. I mean it if look if you were punishing a team this is what you would do. Yeah. Um but this was a get these guys. It wasn’t you guys stink so just go skate. It was it was part of the plan. It’s a test of where you’re at to start the season. Yes. But I think it’s a I think it is a and we’re going to hear from Jeff Flashel in a few minutes here and he’ll explain that among other things, other topics. But um what he said was basically like when you go through struggles together, it makes you a stronger team. Mhm. And I don’t want to, you know, we are in jump to conclusion season 100%. But at the end of those drills, you had two groups um on each. So you had team one, team two. Then each team had two groups, red and white. And you had both those groups during the bag skate cheering for each other, rooting rooting each other on when it was over, despite the fact that several guys were laying down on the ice or on their hands and knees or getting ready to blow chunks in a bucket. Sam Sam Renzel taking a nap. Yeah, Sam Renzel crawling to the wall. Um, they were still tapping sticks. They were still being supportive of each other. Uh, and that’s what you want to see. And you mentioned a conversation you had with Colton Doc today. Sort of the same. Uh yeah. Yeah. I mean it it seems like the guys around the room so far that I’ that I’ve been able to talk to um they’ve enjoyed Jeff Blash and the new coaching staff’s approach. They’ve enjoyed uh the the system of practice, the style of practice uh that he’s implemented, which has been pretty intense the fir for for first two days of practice. Pretty intense. Uh we talked about it yesterday about how, you know, he’s he’s barking out drill orders and direction and he’s mfing guys and um you know, wanting to hammer down those fundamentals and making sure like, hey, this is the drill. Get it right. If you have a question, ask. We want to do the drill right rather than just getting it done. Um, so he’s he’s definitely again today had had a moment where passes were some there were some sloppy passes. There were some missed assignments going through drills and he said, “F it. You you your group down and back. Your group down and back and the guys had to had to get it after that.” So, it’s it is a it is a much more um I hate to use the word militant, but it really feels like more of like a drill sergeant type of uh approach where it’s just like get it right so we can do it right and move on to the next thing. There is a reason it is called a drill. It is to drill the concept into your brain. It’s a drill. So, it becomes habit. It becomes muscle memory. And from day one, yesterday, well, not long ago, Jeff Flashel said like, “We expect a high level. We expect accountability. We expect guys to practice with intensity because then when the game comes, the game will be easier. Those high stress moments that come several times a game, you’re going to be prepared for. have been there already instead of just coasting through for 60 minutes and having a nice leisurely skate, right? And you know, not to say that Sorenson and and Richardson were running Club Met or anything by any means, but there just seems to be a lot more purpose behind what Jeff Blash is doing. This is what stood out to me. I have been attending Hawks practices for what 25 years in one way or another as media, as a fan, as whatever you want it to be. And here’s how it it has always gone. Let’s say practice is at 9:30. At 9:20, couple guys start rolling out. They’re passing the puck around. Some guys are just doing slow drills, stick handling, trying to hit the post. The goalies are stretching in the corner. And then, all right, 9:30 rolls out. Then the big group of guys comes out. Then there’s more skating around for five more minutes. Everyone’s kind of finding their pace. Today the Blackhawks took the ice as a team. Yeah. Everyone came at the same time at 9:32. The first drill began at 9:33. I think I’m I seriously looked at the clock and said, “Okay, cuz I want I forgot to ask Jeff Flash this because the session was so long. I’ll ask him next week. Is there a per is it intentional that they’re coming out as a team?” because it’s happened both days in a row now as opposed to Conor Badard being out there at 9:00 am and then staying until they have to drag him off the ice, right? Everyone’s coming together, everyone’s leaving. I don’t know if that’s on purpose or not, but that’s how it’s been the last two days. And from the second they get in there, the they get Yeah. Take your lap, take your shots off the post, go get stretched, and here we go. Over here, we’re doing the drills right on it. There is no time wasted. As soon as the drill ends, he says, “Whistle beep over here to the board or over here to the blue line, over here to the corners, whatever the drill might be.” And the coaching staff, I noticed, has I saw Sorenson had one and Chris Kunit had one in their pocket. They’ve got a little what appears to be a schedule. Yeah. Right. Uh so they know descriptions of what they’re going to be, where the pucks need to be. So as soon as Bl’s calling the team over, the assistants are already rounding up the pucks and getting them where they need to be. So there’s no time wasted. I have been really impressed with the efficiency of the practices that Jeff Blash’s had so far. Yeah. And they’re they’re long, too. Yes. If we had if we had been talking about, you know, hour and a half, two hour practice sessions, close to that that amount of time. With the previous group, you’d be like, what the hell could they do for that long? And now you’re see they’re long practice sessions and they’re getting a lot put into it. He he talked about it today how it you know kind of in coach speak um not coach speak that’s the wrong term but more or less like probably the way that he would describe it to the team not not dumb it down for the media but basically like well day one was habits day one was drills day one was tracking day two this was more about the conditioning and and and like so he he definitely has that in his mind he definitely has that as like benchmarks and goals and checkpoints that he wants to um get to through training camp and and through this practice sessions. And and I think like I said like I think the response Nick Felino yesterday talked about how he he enjoyed that kind of approach. I really do feel like the elite athletes in their sports want to be challenged like that. So, if you’re not responding well to this this system, that’s an easy way to kind of weed through the guys that, you know, are going to be able to maybe rise to the occasion or maybe fall out of their place. Well, why don’t we hear from Jeff Flashel right now, then we’ll hit the break zone. We’ve got Sprout had a direct question for you that I want to address. We’ve got a super chat we’re going to get to here, but in this highlight session of what Jeff Flash had to say, he’ll talk about the conditioning drills right off the top. He talks about Matt Grizzlick, what his plan is for the preseason, how Ryan Donado can repeat last year’s performance, and how Tyler Buzzi can prevent another slow start. Good stuff here from Jeff Jeff Flash. Give it a listen. It’s something that we we did in camp in Detroit. Um it’s just kind of a uh honestly I think a lot of times some of the best bonding is when you go through struggle together and you know struggles different kind of ways and sometimes kind of through working together and grinding through it together. I thought guys did a great job. So uh that was awesome. Um you know that’s the kind of work ethic we’re going to have to have and and I thought uh again I guys guys uh you know did a good job kind of pushing each other and uh making sure we keep pushing that envelope. you have so many promising young defenseman. You have someone like Nick Griley who comes in, you know, he’s wanting to earn a spot. Also knowing what you have in place. What someone like for him, what is what does he need to show you? What are you hoping to maybe see out of him for him to Yeah. No, I think, you know, I think I I had a quick meeting with him when he got in. Um he’s obviously a good player. He’s a good player in the league. Honestly surprised that he’s still available um in a sense that, you know, I thought he had a good year last year with Pittsburgh. uh he kind of can do a lot of different jobs. Last year he was on the power play. Hadn’t spent a ton of time, you know, on a first unit before that. Um ultimately, he’s got to be him. He’s got to be a real good steady uh kind of figure out there for us. And and then it probably depends on how some of the younger guys play. If the younger guys play uh play real good, then it it’ll make it hard. If if the younger guys uh falter and open the door for him and he plays great hockey, then he’s in a good position. So, you know, we’ll try to get him into as many exhibition games u as we can given the numbers we want to give the other guys as well and and get a look at them and see. With so many open spots, are you using, you know, the preseason to evaluate these guys who are on the bubble and making the team going back to Rockford? Are you planning on giving them a bigger look than some of the vets maybe? Yeah, I mean, you know, you have a balance. Uh first of all, the way the schedule goes, you have two sets of back to back, so there’s a there’s a balance there. Um certainly some of the younger guys will get more games than some of the vets. I want to make sure that they all get enough games with a new staff, a new systems that they’re ready to roll come game one. As I said, I think yesterday, you know, we have more good players than spots in my opinion, which is a great thing. Um so, but they’ll all get ample opportunity in the exhibition games. And uh you know, you got to you got to you got to grab the spot and it’s not easy. You know, you’re not it’s not like it’s a 10ame stretch. The other thing I’d say is not a marathon. And I mean, we always make a big deal who’s on the team coming out of camp, but that doesn’t mean that’s who’s going to be on the team a month from now, 2 months from now, and a year from now. So, uh, it’s a marathon, not a sprint. And guys just got to keep, uh, you know, playing great hockey and showing that they’re making improvements in the areas that they have to improve and making sure that whatever they do great, they’re accentuating. With Donado, it’s pretty rare to see a guy kind of explode offensively in the middle of his career the way he did last year. for for you first as kind of an opposing coach watching him, how have you seen him evolve? And then secondly this year, what what do you think the key to repeating that will be for him? Yeah, and it’s always listen, you know, I would say that production can can eb and flow a little bit. Now, that’s a that’s a huge number he put up last year for sure. That doesn’t mean he could have a great year this year and score 20, you know what I mean? And play great hockey. It’s just the way sometimes it goes. Sometimes they go in, sometimes they don’t, sometimes they really don’t. Um, you know, I think it first starts with opportunity. Obviously, I think he he uh had the he earned and had the opportunity to have lots of ice time last year. So, he’s got to continue to earn that. Um you know, I thought as an opposing coach, um you know, I know I didn’t necessarily see him enough to say, “Oh man, you know, this got way better, that got way better.” When I watch him on the ice, uh the last few days, he looks like a guy that can score. Like, it doesn’t surprise me that he’s scored. Um he’s probably the thing about scoring is you got to be able to get yourself in those spots and there’s a lot of factors that go into how much the coach plays you. Uh who your linemates are. Um you know I think he improved his speed. So being able to separate yourself to get yourself in those spots matters and probably all those things came together and he had a real good year and I hope he has uh four more of them you know just like that. That’d be awesome for us. on Burton a little bit. You know that he’s a notorious slow starter and likely of all teams you can’t afford slow starts. Have you had that conversation with him? Him and I have talked, you know, like I guess between the starts and then some some real kind of es and flows like where he where he gets real hot and then he goes for, you know, in his words honestly to me was just two long stretches where he doesn’t, you know, and so um it’s something that that we’re just going to monitor uh as we go through the season, you know, right away. one of the assistants will will have bird in and making sure that we’re watching for why what are those reasons? Are we missing? Is he not getting to the net as much, which he normally does, you know, are we not shooting the puck enough because he’s at the net and we’re not getting enough shots in there. Um, you know, so it’s something we’ve had conversations about. I think, you know, Bert’s uh uh been around long enough now, he’s a pretty good self-reflector and can kind of look at and say, you know, these are things I’ve done well and and these are the areas, you know, as he said to me, like I I want your guys’ help with to make sure that we’re, you know, putting uh himself in a best position to succeed. All right, that’s Chef Washill after practice today. I like Darren Pang asking a question about Tyler Bertusi and the fact that sounds like Bertusi kind of went to the staff and said like why do I start slow here and that they’ve got a I’m not saying like that’s the main plan but yes this is something we’re aware of here is our plan to fix it it’s day two of camp and they’ve already said like here are the things we’re considering might be the issue with Berusi’s slow starts and how we can get them fixed that to me shows a level of preparation and foresight from a coaching staff that I really like. I know we’ve got to hit the break zone. We’re going to do that a lot more on this coming up next. Your super chats and a whole lot more. Hit that like button for us. We are already close to 100 likes, which is what we’d like to see. Hit it. We’ll be back in 2 minutes on CHGO Blackhawks. Whatever the sport, the app to bet is Circa Sports Illinois. Circus Sports, it’s sports betting the way it should be. 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And I think Sprout had a question for you that I think leads nicely into taking the temper. uh says, “Do you think they really enjoyed it or was it lip service hockey culture?” Talking about the Jeff Blashel style of practice so far. No, I I think it’s it’s legitimate because in in in talking to some of these players, you saw it from Nick Felino. um I’ve talked to today was I got to talk to Colton Doc and Nolan Allen, Ethan Delmstro and and um you know some of these younger players that have also played under um Ander Sorenson in Rockford in Chicago, Luke Richardson in Chicago. Um that have seen, you know, the different coaches that have come through in the last few seasons. Uh and all of them it’s it’s not a uh you know, you ask the question, how do you feel? What were your first impressions? Like h how’s practice been? It was it’s it’s an immediate like yep love it. Like this is the style that I like. Why Kaiser yesterday interrupted us be like it’s awesome. Yeah. Uh he he likened it to the intensity of practices when he was in college. Um, Colton Doc specifically talking to him today, he was just like, I the way I grew up playing hockey and and in our household, it was a very like tough style of uh, you know, learning the game and learning how to play at that level. So, he it resonates with him. I I I really do think these guys would and I think for a lot of players in the NHL would much rather a coach that can give you a defined set of challenges and expectations rather than nh what you’re doing is good and not really getting much direction and not to say I don’t think that they got a lot of direction with previous coaches but I think with Jeff Blashel it’s different than what they’ve had and it and I think it also trickles down to the assistant coaching staff as well. All things that we’ve heard from about Michael Pekka and uh Mike Valuchcci coming in here were positive. Obviously, you’re not necessarily going to get too many people saying negative things about others, but I think I think looking around at at at the staff, um the guys that they have around and the approach so far, I think if if you’re if you’re a guy playing at the NHL level, it’s a style that resonates with you. Yes. Um, I think anyone who has played sports at any level aside from like T-ball appreciates when practices are intense and competitive and fast-paced. Mhm. Um, and I think did they love the conditioning? No, no one loves that. No. No. But I think what what you grow to love is just the focus of when you we hit the ice, it’s all business. We’re here to compete. Like I I I never played hockey at a high level. I played, you know, I got into hockey when I was uh like in eighth grade is when I really got into the game. It was too late. I was too fat. So, I just played pickup stuff, roller hockey, those sort of things. But, I played football in a high school in the Catholic League. And my favorite thing to do was the Oklahoma drill. Did it give me concussions? Yes. Probably several, but it was the best because it was just football. It was you get up, I’m gonna hit you harder than you hit me, and we’re all going to go crazy because we’re all hitting each other as hard as we can. And that is what makes it fun. That’s why you play the game. And I think that these guys truly do. To answer Sprout’s question, they do really enjoy the intensity of it and the pace of it. It’s hard. It’s demanding. They’re probably more sore and more tired today than they were at any point after practice last year, but deep down, I’ll bet they’re chomping at the bit to get back at it tomorrow. And that’s what you want. That’s good stuff. So, um, I’m here for it and I know they are, too. To the to the notion that Blashel said in in the in the clip, you know, when you go through hard times together, that’s how true you you come you come together and bond. And we saw it with, you know, we’re seeing it through through two days of training camp that these guys are, you know, working together. they’re all in the same boat when it comes to having to go through this conditioning and the standards being set and um the accountability through the drills and through the training and through the through the practices so far. And it’s resonating with the group and and you know after the conditioning after team one went through Conor Bard was the the anchor leg I guess for his for his group and when they’re all falling over and laying down on the ice and out of gas he’s going by and you know tapping each guy and fist bumping them and and you know just it’s it’s it’s that part of the the togetherness and you think about talking with some of these guys that I that that I did today about going out to Sudbury and being with Felino. Like all those young guys that went out there talked about like Nolan Allen described it as like a mini Olympics that they went through as part of their training. They did, you know, like like triathlon style things where they swim across the lake and then they they’re hiking up, you know, running and hiking up mountains and and all this stuff and just the the grind of that kind of workout, but they’re doing it together. And it’s it’s it’s a tra it’s a training for the for the group mentality. And and I think you’re seeing a lot of that start coming together. and did uh did a piece for uh all CHDGO.com that’s going to come out uh later this afternoon about some of the young guys and how that group through the off ice prospect camps through their time in Rockford um you know highlighting a little bit of you know that that just that week being with the Felinos and and how it’s translating to this young group feeling like they’re now becoming their own version of the Blackhawks. And I think that that has been Kyle Davidson’s hope and plan through the rebuild. And that development camp is a big part of that where yeah, we all want to see the graphics on the ice right away and and and see the new shiny toys play. But the idea the Hawks have had is look, these guys have just gotten away from playing so much damn hockey. They’re all stressed out from the draft. They’re probably still banged up. There’s no point in putting them out there to hurt each other and play against each other to try to impress the coaches and GM and everything. Let’s have them hang out together. most time go to dinner together. Sure, there’s like, you know, meetings and there’s probably some casual workouts and things like that, but for the most part, the idea of development camp is to develop the relationships between these guys. They do those team-based uh challenges like the cooking stuff and spike ball and all that. And I’m not again like I know it probably sounds like overreacting, but the feel in the room is just different. It’s just different. It does feel closer and tighter and I don’t know really how to describe it better than that, but it just it has more of a team feel this year where everyone kind of feels like they’re on the same level and where I I liked that Maroon was here and Martinez were here last year to kind of like, hey, we’re going to be good veteran leaders. We’re going to fill fill some space until some young guys are ready. uh in the meantime are going to be good influences. I do feel like there was a these guys and these guys feel in the room a little bit, right? And it wasn’t necessarily young and old. Not necessarily. It just had it just had like a separate feeling. And maybe it’s the fact that the locker room is twice as crowded now because they’ve got two teams in there instead of one. Yeah, but I I just feel like it’s a little more cohesive and it feels like players are talking to each I don’t know. I I’m sure it’s just, you know, digging into what we’re seeing so far after two days and trying to draw conclusions. We’re probably making mountains out of mole hills here, but it’s just a vibe that I feel about this team that it’s different than it’s been for the last couple years. And it it definitely feels like like the Blackhawks instead of there’s these guys and there’s these guys and we know that these guys are maybe more important but they’re not playing yet like it was for the last few years. Now with like Moore and and and Renzel and Leov and all these young players as part of the plan this year is part of the expectation. It doesn’t have that like well we’re next but not yet. the the next kids are here and they’re part of it and it it definitely feels like it. Yeah, I think I think it’s the gravity of that change is finally being felt and I know it’s just two days of training camp, but I think it’s been a it’s been a leadup. Um Kyle Davidson had a very uh quiet off season this summer compared to last summer and I think that that you know we we talked about how that’s probably intentional to give these young players the opportunity to kind of take over the team and Nick Felino said it at the end of last season he wants to be able to as captain um you know when his time is up in Chicago which it might be by the end of this season um to be able to hand off to the team, hand off the team to know that it’s in good hands for the next generation. And I think we’re seeing that starting to come to fruition. Bard’s been here. This is now year three. Alex Vic, this is going to be year full year number three for him. Um you know, you got Frank Nazar got an extension. Spencer Knights here got an extension. Um, you know, you you imagine Levchenov and Renzel and maybe Korchinsky, Delm Mastro, Allen, Colton Doc, Landon Slagger, like all these young guys, Oliver Moore, like getting into the lineup and being the guys that we’ve been wanting to see and have been following their development and understanding like, hey, Kyle Davidson’s putting his stamp on the rebuild with a lot of these young guys that he’s drafted and brought in and is trying to build the now they’re now they’re here. Now they are in or competing for NHL spots to start the season. And I think that is, you know, the weight of that is now a reality. And I think that that is exciting not only for fans, but also for the organization because it’s like they’ve kind of been doing this peacemeal thing of like, yeah, okay, here’s Maroon and here’s Taylor Hall and and all these. Now it’s just like they have they have the foundation through the rebuild here and it’s just like let’s see what you got and you’re in in the first NHL season with that foundation and then you build on it. You have fondelle and b and these guys that you know are in the organization but haven’t really even been around professionally yet. So it’s I I think that is the the palpable excitement that resonates not only in the room but in the fan base as well. All right, we have to hit the break zone. I’m gonna get to Boris’s super chat here because it’s a quick one. Um, and then Sean during number eight, check out Slack because I got some stuff in there for you. Um, but Boris Duke says, I can’t read that. I’m old. Boris says, “Jay, do you play guitar? I like the te uh the telly in your background when you record from home. Missed you boys. Finally able to catch you live as I’m playing hookie from work today.” I do play guitar. Not well. I’ve been the same level of guitar player since I was 14 that I am now. But I will say I’ve been doing it more over the summer. I’ve been picking up more. I found a a teacher on uh YouTube that’s really kind of like translated with me. It’s all Grateful Dead songs, but it’s working. I’m I’m learning them and I never thought I’d be able to do that. Um uh his name is Dave Kish if you’re interested. Da V Kish. Um but I I got rid of the Telecaster. I traded that for a Stratacastaster. And then uh I took advantage of the Guitar Center Fourth of July sale/J is grieving sale and bought myself a Gretch. So I have two guitars uh that I play frequently and uh having them has made me play more. So there you go. That’s good. Yeah. When you have the nice things, you want to use the nice things. That’s right. Exactly. So all right, we’re going to hit the break zone. We’re going to come back. 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Yeah, there was there were uh a number of times where the two were getting into some exchanging pleasantries, some battles and uh I think uh I think at one point Doc, you had overheard it. You you thought you heard him say that he wanted to like if you want to go, we’ll go. And I don’t think I heard it. I heard it. Well, okay. Well, there you go. Uh and Love Shinov uh probably said, you know, life goes on or something like that. And why you have to be mad? They uh they didn’t fight, drop the gloves or anything like that, but no, it was it’s it’s a it’s a battle. It’s a it’s it’s when they are on the ice, and it’s something that you hear a lot uh from NHL teams, but when they’re on the ice, they’re compet they’re compet competing, trying to make each other better, and then when they’re off the ice, their teammates, their friends, and what happens on the ice is left there, and then they’re all in the same group once, you know, practice is over. Yeah, I was uh actually sort of keeping an eye on that situation today. Um and there were several moments where like Lefchon would do a drill and would do what he was supposed to do, whatever it was, and then Doc would tap the stick there. There was I don’t think there was anything lingering. No, it’s not from that at all. But yes, I did mention it in the cold open and then failed to mention it during the show. So, that’s my bad for sure. Uh so, sorry we didn’t mention that, but it wasn’t a fight. I wouldn’t call it a nothing burger, but we’ve seen fights in training camp and that’s when things just get stupid. I think that Doc was a little bit probably Look, I think Colton Doc is fully aware of his status on this team and probably felt a little embarrassed that his stick got thrown out of his hands. Sure. And was like, it’s the last thing I need right now. Don’t make me punch you in the face. Uh, so there he’s got that he he’s he’s got that uh mentality. Yes. And what was the other question, John? I’ve already forgotten. It’s on the screen right now. James Kugan saying, “Have you guys talked to Jason Dickinson yet? Wondering if he’s had surgery on his wrist that he hurt down the stretch.” So, we were going to talk to Jason Dickens today, but he said he can’t cuz he was too gassed from the uh Yeah, there were a few guys that turned down uh media availabilities. There’s a That’s for, by the way, on the screen right now, that’s for Holly. That’s Lucas Reichel fighting for his life after the conditioning drill. Uh but he was one of the anchors in that drill. one of the one of the he was the second guy. Yeah, I think Oliver Moore was the first for that group. Uh Riel did it. Yeah, there’s some more pictures of the casualties. Um yeah. Uh I I think Dickinson had offse surgery, did he not? I do not know that. I thought I thought he cuz it was a wrist broken wrist, wasn’t it, that ended his his season? I think so. I think it was a, if I remember correctly, I think it was a broken wrist or I can’t remember, but I I think whatever he had that ended his season doesn’t seem like it’s bothering him. He seems to be through two days so far on the ice. Uh, up up to speed, up to par. Um, so yeah, I think he’s I think he’s doing okay. I don’t think there’s any limitations on him starting camp. Yeah, I don’t see anything about a surgery. I found something that Ben Pope apparently reported that he was getting surgery. I’ll try to I’ll try to nail that down. Um anyway, I was watching him today and his shot looked very good. There were a couple opportunities where he on the rush drills uh that they were doing today. He took a shot on a few of those and the shot looked good. Like he scored a couple really nice goals. So, it doesn’t seem to be anything that’s uh bothering him very much. Um I thought he’s looked good. And let’s get into this a little bit, Mario. Some of the guys that stood out to us, we mentioned Colton Doc. I think Colton Doc had a really good day today. Um, looking faster, very much aware, as I said, in his status of, hey, there’s a spot open. Maybe it’s yours, maybe it’s Oliver Moors, maybe it’s someone else’s, but there’s a spot open, and he seems pretty determined to win that spot. Um, I think that he has a really good opportunity because he does kind of bring something they lack up front in size and physicality and those sort of things. So, I think that he is fully aware of what he needs to do and I think he’s taking a big step into doing it now. The games are the games are what matters. Uh, real quick, uh, Ben did say back on April 17th that he had a cast on his wrist, but there was no actual word of surgery. So, uh, just a wrist injury that ended the season. I remember he had the cast at uh the end of the season um availability, but yeah, I mean he’s he’s looking ready to go. Um, they have him with Ilia McKv and Landon Slagert to start training camp as a as a forwardline group, which I think would be once we get to games if that group stays together. Um, that’s going to be an entertaining line to watch because that those are three fast players, three tenacious players. Like that is that would be in my view a really good like matchup line shutting down and causing a lot of frustrations for an opposition’s top line because Dickinson and McKayv and Slagert all have that mentality of you know being hard to play against both sides of the ice. speed to keep up with it. And Jeff Blashel went out of his way today to well, not out of his way. He was asked specifically about Landon Slagger, but described his game as being like someone who can take away space from good players. Yeah. Yeah. I I I like that idea of having a a checking line that really checks, you know. Yeah. And uh Laferty, too, like just very two guys that have scored 20 goals before. That’s right. Uh Lafrey though really uh physical in practice. He does not have a practice mode. He was just kind of all gas, no breaks today. Knocked down uh Tavo, not in a dirty way, just in a drill. Got physical. He he got the upper hand on it. Um he’s not cut any corners. That’s another guy that’s a proud veteran who knows, hey, I probably have a spot. It’s like Jeff Flashel said, like a lot of these guys have the team that breaks camp isn’t necessarily going to be the team for the whole year. And I think Sam Laughaferty is aware that he might have the advantage today, but in a month or two months or three months that he might be out of a spot and that’s a guy out of contract, too. So that and and that’s the thing with, you know, we we we get excited about these young guys coming in and fighting for spots. A lot of the spots they’re going to take are from some established proud veterans. Yep. And those are guys that also understand what’s going on in the organization. And we talk about it with, you know, Jason Dickinson and and how, you know, he he came in, earned himself a contract extension, but it was a two-year contract extension. This window that we’ve seen with, you know, the the extension that was given to him, to Felino, like it’s just it it was like, okay, that 26 27 season is when a lot of these contracts are done with. What’s the group going to look like? And I think, you know, without mincing too many words, that 26 27 season is probably going to be even younger uh collectively than this group is. Younger, but you’ll have those young the important young guys will have yet another year under their belts. So, it’s fine. But guys like guys like Murphy and Dickinson and maybe McKay, who knows? Um and likely Felino won’t be around. So they’re this season for them is to not only grab a spot in the NHL to start the year, but hold on to it as long as you can because you’re either trying to say, “No, I’m still valuable to you Blackhawks and I I deserve to be in the NHL playing these minutes or it’s I got to keep my spot because even though my future might not be here in Chicago, I wanted to be in the NHL somewhere. So, they gotta they gotta, you know, put some tape down for other teams to see and say, “This player still has value. We’re gonna, you know, invest in them, whether it’s via trade or free agency or whatever it ends up being.” I do, as we go through players that have been impressive, I do want to go, I do want to mention Nick Felino, who is 38 years old, 38 at the end of October, and just looks like the same guy he was when he joined the team. Like, he is just an effective player. And I think the experience that he’s had, he has gone from, you know, all-star level player to grinder, uh, and kind of everything in between. And to see how good and how ready he looks, uh, at age 37, almost 38, um, heading into what is, I’d imagine, his final season in the NHL. He hasn’t announced it or anything. might be. But he also seems like a guy that to your point like he’s he’s still got something. I agree. Yeah, he I think he I think he’s looked really solid. Yeah. So, I I want to make sure I mention him. I did keep a close eye on Connor Badard today. Really focusing on his speed and he again overreaction season. He does look faster. And when I say that, I was really paying attention to the way Bard was playing in like the rush drills and the battle drills where he had to fight through and weave through traffic. Yeah, he’s getting to those spots more quickly. He’s getting he’s going to those spots more willingly. Even in practice, um I have liked the way that he has played off the puck. With the puck, Connor Bard’s fine. It’s never been an issue. It’s how he’s played off the puck. And I have seen a determination from Bard through two days of practice where he is fighting through checks, uh, winning physical battles. Yesterday, there was a I think it was Dickinson. It was a one-on-one with him and Dickinson and he came out on top. Like he took a couple, you know, soft cross checks to the back where in years past we would have seen him turn the puck over and fall down where he stayed on his feet, maintain control of the puck. There were a lot of those moments with Bard last year and the year before where just the slightest contact would sort of knock him off the puck and it was off the other way. He seems much stronger on his feet, much stronger on the puck. Um, and he’s sort of learn to absorb that absorb that contact better. I think a lot of that too comes from just physical maturity happening as well. So, I I think Bard has looked as reported from the uh, you know, offseason training videos that we were all drooling over all summer. I I think he definitely looks more explosive and more importantly than a step or two of speed is that willingness to engage and win those battles in tight. Here there’s a question earlier that I just kind of want you guys to expound on. Jacob asking, “Can you guys explain to me why Baddard gets seemingly the weakest players in his top six to his wings? I feel like Turbo and Batuzi are clearly the best linemade options or at least one of them.” Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff Blashel talked about this yesterday um starting camp with Burikovsky and Donado and and it’s I I think there’s there’s a difference in who we think are the best players and who are the best fits. And I think now there’s a case to be made that maybe Bertusi and Terrainan being the top two guys they brought in last season, guys who are in the top six. Terrain and probably one of the most skilled players on the team. Um even still pairing that with another top skilled player that would work. Um, but Blashel yesterday talked about the games of Donado and Burkovski and how they play with pace, how they’re two guys that can go and get the puck from the opposition. Um, that they’ve, you know, Donado we saw last season, 30 points or 30 goals, 60 points, 31 61 um 62. God, I got to get my numbers right. 31 goals, 62 points, 30 plus. Yes. 30 plus and 60 plus. Uh Burkovsky’s had that in him before. Um and he specifically mentioned the give andgo style that Burikovsky likes to play and his most effective playing and how that can complement a guard style of you know playing in in the offensive zone. So yeah, I think as much as we want to say like put your best players together and just let them go, I think there’s something to putting the right style of players together and and the the the flip of that is okay if Bertusi and Terrain are in your top six but they’re not with Bard, they’re with Nazar. And I think and that’s where they’ve been all camp for the record so far. Yeah. And I think a skill set and a play style like Terravin’s and Bertusi’s matches well with a guy like Nazar who is effective at both ends of the ice fast. Him and Terrain can be good puck possession guys which benefits Bertusi who is more effective when you have the puck and is not necessarily offensively effective in transition. It’s more of when the offense is set up in its own zone. Yeah. Um, I would I would say I would warn too against under underelling Burikovski. I think if he’s healthy, he is certainly one of the Hawks better offensive weapons. I I would probably say aside from Baddard and Nazar, I’d probably put Burkoski right a notch below Tavo. Yeah. So, and I think it is a stylistic thing and I think the fact that we saw so little of Baddard and Tavo together last year says a little something about what they did see when they tried it. They probably didn’t see a lot of Uh, what do you want to say? It didn’t really complement. Yeah, their games didn’t complement each other very well. I think we will see it at some point this year. It seems foolish not at least give it a look. But, um, maybe if Bard adopts more of a shoot first mentality, which I hope to God he will, um, then he’ll play more with Tavo because Tavo is frustratingly deferring. Yeah, he will always look for the pass first. So, but if a dart is in I’m going to shoot every opportunity I get mindset, then maybe that makes a little more sense. Well, here so here’s the forward lineups for let’s say the top five lines. Yeah. And listen to the players. Think about how they play, the style they play. Donado, Baddard, Burkovski, that’s your top line. Terrainan Nazar Bertusi second line. Third line I think is going to be or you would categorize it as the Dickinson McKay of Slagert line. Then you have Felino playing center with Colton Doc and Sam Laferdy. And then your fifth line that I would say right now is Ryan Green with Oliver Moore and Lucas Reichel. Those five sets of players all stylistically play off of each other really well in in in how I would categorize it. Like especially, you know, we talked about the Dickinson McKay of Slagger trio. I think that’s I think if Slagger can show that he can keep up at the NHL level with those other two, that’s a really intriguing line. the green Riel Moore line, you know, maybe that ends up being your top line in Rockford or something, but that’s a line of two-way guy and green, fat speed on the wings with Riel and more and Green and Moore can be your go get the puck guys and Riel can be more of like get the puck for him to try and create things. Th those three all have a lot of a lot of good speed. Lafery, Felino, and Doc. Again, that’s a heavy line. That’s again a defensively challenging line. Um I I I like the idea of of those guys playing together. So honestly like I I think the way that those forward groups are matched up stylistically. Maybe it’s not the best guys, you know, as we think about it in NHL 26, their overalls. Maybe it’s not the best overall guys one through 15, but I think stylistically all of those groupings make a lot of sense. I agree. I I also think too on the Baddard thing at some point Bard’s got to be the guy to make his linemates better and I think he has look Ryan Donado 62 points 31 and 31 right you could probably correlate that I don’t want to say 100% to Conor Badard but he gets a big percentage of that I would say so um but I think that’s I I know there was that anonymous player poll that came out and everyone thinks Celbrini is better than Badard and just more fuel for Bard’s fire. Great. Add it on. Throw it on there. Um, but one of the criticisms was that they that I know one player said, “Bard feels like a guy that’s going to need help to be great, whereas Cabrini is already going to be great and do it on his own.” Fine. Didn’t Cabbrini play all last season with Will Smith? It’s just it’s it’s all narrative. We know this. Like, it’s just, you know, Labowski five said, “Kurish have had 54 points playing with Bard.” Yes. Yes. Correct. So, two two guys have had out of nowhere career years in back-to-back seasons playing primarily with Connor Baddard. Yeah. Like I mean it’s not it’s it’s it’s not a crazy idea that Baddard can carry other players. So my my point being and I maybe I didn’t express this clearly, sorry Sean, was that stupid. He he he doesn’t he doesn’t we don’t have to cuddle Conor Baddard and make sure he’s got the best linemates possible to make him good. He’s already good and he is making his linemates better. I think I said it in a convoluted way or a way but yes that’s what I’m saying. Imagine so imagine last season you put Connor Bard and Frank Nazart together for 82 games. I think it would have it would have felt a lot different. It just didn’t happen, right? And now you think of, okay, well, maybe maybe they’re both long-term centers and splitting them up gives you a good a good opportunity to have a really nice one-two punch. If that’s the case, then that would that would be wonderful. But they’re also two guys that can elevate teammates. We saw that with we as we’re just seeing now with Baddard, and I think we can potentially see that with Nazar. And if Terrain and number two are the guys that he’s running with, Nazar on his line, that’s going to work for everybody cuz those two guys can elevate him as well. So I I I think when specifically to that player because I saw the same thing about, you know, how how Mlin Celibbrini is just so far and away better. I think if you put Nazar and Baddard together, you’d have a a very similar narrative to how Celabbrini’s rookie season had gone. Curnney had 63 points in 70 games last year. It’s very good. It’s great. I’m not poo pooing it. Uh Bard uh his rookie year had 67 points in 82 games, 61 and 68 last year. So it’s not like a incredibly far off point. Yeah, it’s Yeah, the the the point pace is comparable. Uh the linemates not are not. And I Yeah, I I just think well guess what? Mini might get to play with Philip Kur Philip Kersev this year. Sure. We’ll see if Philip Kersev has a 54 point year. Yeah. I just I just think it’s very easy for and Tim points out that the athletic podcast was saying it too. Bard can only perform with being carried from other playmakers. Like who, right? He hasn’t had one. What do with no help? He is the second highest scoring teenager in Blackhawks history. And with no help, he’s had two 20 goal seasons. Correct. Imagine if he had help. Well, well, yeah. and he’s been he’s at 18 and 19 years old has been the leading scorer for the Blackhawks in two years in in both years. I this just the the context that I feel like is lost in many Connor Baddard arguments is is staggering. And I’m I’m I’m grateful that now we we are getting to a season where as a collective the forwards that he could play with in the top six are more talented than than they have been in the past two years. And I think his game is at a more mature pa uh place than it was in the last two years. to what you were saying before about the speed and physicality that he’s been able to play with so far through training camp in these two days. I think you’re seeing a grown a more grownup style of Conor Bernard, which is bad news for the league. If you’re looking at the past two seasons, he’s had two back-to-back career years playing with himself. I mean, that’s, you know, me, too. You know, I mean, everyone that plays with me has a career year. No, it was a playing with myself. Anyway, uh, so we all heard it. The other teenager that uh that has outpaced Baddard is Eddie Ol. Mhm. Eddie’s rookie years. Yeah. Go through his teammates. His teammates were Dennis Sevard, Steve Lurmer, Doug Wilson, Troy Murray, uh Bob Murray, defenseman, uh Daryl Sutter. He had LC Cord on his team. Um a little bit different. So a a different environment to be in. Yeah. So that was his rookie year. most of the same guys for you. The next season, the Hawks finished uh first in the Norris division, the central division at the time. Uh Seard Murray Oldch was third in a team in scoring. Cord Lmer, Kurt Frasier who had 68 points. Doug Wilson, Ben Wilson, like they had one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight players with over 50 points. That’s pretty good. So it’s not That’s what we’re talking about. Well, also that team in 1985, they scored 351 goals total. The team last year scored 224. That’s because Connor Bard couldn’t score. Exactly. It’s his fault. If he if he somehow makes up the 90 goals scored, you know, and look, like I think in a couple people saying this in the chat, including Brian and I think it was Labowski, I’m sorry, Labowski 5 saying that like Celbrini is a better all-around player. Yeah, I it is kind of apples and oranges comparing Celibbrini and Baddard. Celibbrini is more of your Berseron Copitar Taves type where Baddard despite being a center for now is more of a Patrick Kane uh you know more offense than defense not a two-way player kind of a guy. Ultimately, when both their careers are done, if I’m betting on point totals, I think Conor Bernard is going to have several hundred more points than Mlin Celabbrini. Several hundred. Wow. Yeah. I mean, we’ll see. I I I just I I think Yeah. I I’m I think one thing that I am excited for this season is the eventual uh narrative change around Baddard and the Blackhawks. And I think a lot of it is going to come from the not only Baddard himself, but I think the the collective group um playing a different way and and turning some more heads uh around the league this season in Chicago. people are I think people are are understanding of what is what is being built, what is coming and and what can uh happen this season and what it what it possibly could look like. Now that’s being optimistic. Of course, things could go wrong, things could go poorly. But I think if you’re if you’re if you’re laying down a bet of will this Blackhawks group give you more hope, encouragement, and excitement this year than the past two. I think you take that bet 10 times out of 10. Yes. Um, by the way, before we wrap up, we did just mention Kopitar, who announced yesterday that he will be playing his last season in the NHL this year with the Kings. Uh, good timing for him. the same day Clayton Kershaw announces he’s retiring, too. Way to steal his thunder there, Clayton. But I think the ultimate sign of respect is for a fan base to have nothing but positive things to say about a rival. And Kobitar was right there during the Dynasty Blackhawks run as a thorn in a side of those Blackhawks teams. An awesome player. Elliot Freeman had a really interesting thought. Said, “Was he usually has 32 of them?” Had 32, right? But he said, “Was An Kobitar the best LA king ever?” Now, Wayne Gretzky was an LA king for part of his career, but I think he’s more remembered as an Oiler. Gretzky was the best player to ever play for the Kings, but is an Kobitar the best king ever. He’s about to I think he’s 30 points away from Marcel Dion. He’s got 1500 games played. Obviously, multiple Stanley Cups. The only argument for me against Andre Kopitar is Drew Dowy and they got and they had Jonathan Quick. All three of those guys at the same time is pretty crazy. They did. And that Kopitar and Quick was the same draft. And it has to be somebody that won a cup, right? I mean, that’s what separates Kopitar from usually those three. Hardware hardware will be a separator in those conversations. Yeah. I I I think Yeah. I think as far as longevity and whole career with one team and you know the the individual awards the Stanley Cups just the across the majority of his career being in that cons in in that conversation of one of the best two-way forwards in the game like it’s one of those guys that is just unassumingly one of the best of uh I want to say a generational talent but one of the best players that you’ll see in a 15 to 20 year span. One of the most underrated. Yeah, I I would put him in that conversation for probably the best LA King ever. All right, we’re going to wrap things up. Do us a favor. Please hit that like button for us on your way out. Before we go, it’s Friday. A lot of people got paid today. We got paid today. We have been raising money for Big Brothers Big Sisters all month. This is our month of giving at CHGO in all city. We are asking for your donations to Big Brothers and Big Sisters. bbbs.org/all org/allcity is the site to donate. 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