Is Mickey Loomis DESTROYING The New Orleans Saints? | How Did It Get So BAD In NOLA?
[Music] Things not going so great for uh young Kell Moore in his maiden voyage here with the New Orleans Saints. Uh the Saints were blown out by the Seattle Seahawks on Sunday 44-13. And I I’m not surprised they lost the game, picked them to lose the game, as I’m sure many of you did. They were a touchdown road underdog and one of the historically what is one of the the tougher places to play certainly in the last 20 years in the NFL and this is just not a a very good New Orleans Saints football team. So I’m not surprised they lost. I think they’re going to lose a lot of games this year. How they lost is the thing that’s certainly discouraging because you continue to see a lot of the undisiplined mistakes. Um 11 more penalties just an atrocious effort on special teams where you had a punt blocked, you allowed a punt return for a touchdown. You let a 60 yard kickoff return which set up a short field touchdown. Uh just you missed a field goal for the third consecutive week. Um you blocked a punt but were off sides on the block punt so that was negated. Uh uh just a a lot of um or field goal I should say. A lot of very poor play, undisiplined play that go along with being a a a bad team and one that is also poorly coached. Um, you know, Kell Moore after this game was asked about his team’s lack of discipline and he didn’t unfortunately have a lot to say about it. We’re not clean enough. Uh, we’re not clean enough. Uh, too many penalties again uh and too many of them that are under our control. You know, there’s judgment penalties in every single game, but uh the ones that we can control uh we can’t have that. We got to do a better job. That’s always going to be a reflection on coaching and culture and the staff and all that sort of stuff. But I think the big question that a lot of people have right now is is how did it get so bad? You could understand as a team is rebuilding um not winning a bunch, but going from a team that isn’t expected to contend to a team that is losing as badly as they did on Sunday and is now a 16 12 point road underdog at Buffalo this week. People wonder how did it get so bad? And it’s to me this is just very obvious like this is the manifestation of what Mickey Lumis has done in New Orleans and built over really more than a decade and the decisions that they made that put all these into motion. Like just for example, you you have to build in the NFL, you have to build your roster through the draft. It’s how you get young, affordable talent. That’s what happened for New Orleans in 2017 when they drafted Marshon Latimore and Alvin Chimera, who both were the NFL rookies of the year on their respective sides of the ball. You drafted Ryan Ramchick, who became a perennial all pro at the time, was the highest paid right tackle in the NFL. You drafted Marcus Williams who was a starter, Alex Angelone who was a key player. Trey Hendrickson who became a starter. Like you ended up drafting six really key players in one draft and boom, you were a contender again after missing the playoffs three consecutive years. Well, how did you miss the playoffs three consecutive years? We’ll go back and look at those drafts. In 2014, you drafted Brandon Cooks, Stanley Jean Baptiste, Kyrie Fort, Vinnie Seri, Ronald Powell, and Tavon Rooks. The only guy in that whole draft class who became a pro was Brandon Cooks and you traded him after a couple of seasons. In 2015, Andrew Pete, Stefan Anthony miss, Holly Kikaha miss. Garrick Grayson miss, PJ Williams miss. Davis Tall miss, Tyler Davidson missed. Damen Swan miss, Marcus Murphy miss. You missed on everybody. Even your first round pick Pete who you drafted to be a tackle ended up playing guard because you couldn’t play tackle. 2016 you hit on rankings, Mike Thomas, Von Bell, David Onya, Daniel Asco was your other draft pick. So you had some talent there in infusion there and then 2017 happened the way it did. And my feeling then was okay, they had brought in Jeff Ireland, they have this draft class, they get the benefit of the doubt. Well, look at what’s happened subsequent in 2018. Marcus Davenport, Tquin Smith, Rick Leonard, Natrell Jamerson, Cameron Moore, Boston Scott, Willil Clap. A disaster of a draft class. A year later, you don’t have a first round pick because you traded up for Marcus Davenport. So, you take Eric McCoy, CJ Garner, Garner Johnson, Saquon Hampton, Alise Mack, and Kaden Ellis. McCoy became a starter for you. Johnson was Garner Johnson was a very good player, but you ended up trading him and you missed on everybody else. Ellis, who became a player, ends up playing for Atlanta. In the co year, you make four picks. Caesar Ruiz, Zack Bond, Adam Troutman, and Tommy Stevens. Bond’s the worst starter, excuse me, Ruiz is the worst starter pos at his position in the league. Bond could never get on the field for you. He goes to a good organization and ends up being defensive player of the year candidate. Troutman was a bust with you and Tommy Stevens didn’t make the team. 2021, you want me to keep going? Pton Turner, Pete Wernern, Paul Adobe, Ian Book, Landon Young, Kawan Baker. You bust on Payton Turner. You hit on Pete Warner and Paul Pulson and Adibbo. But Adobo’s now with another team. And the second half of your draft was a disaster. Al Penning, Alante Taylor, Demarco Jackson, Jordan Jackson. Al is a number two. Trevor Penning can’t stay on the field. Alante Taylor is probably playing out of position. You want me to keep two years ago Brian Brezie, Isaiah Fossky, Kendra Miller, Nick Salary, Jay Kainer, Jordan Howd, at Perry. Your your drafts are disasters. That’s why your roster stinks. You continue to draft poorly. Well, who’s in charge of the draft? Your general manager is. So, you draft poorly. You don’t respect your future draft capital because you keep trading it away. You compi you combine that with an atrocious approach to the salary cap where they are perennially kicking the can down the road which now is starting to rectify because you’re getting some of those awful contracts off the books because of a hard reset. And so when you look at the fact that you have you’ve been awful in the NFL draft, so you’ve not had good young talent on affordable rookie deals. You’ve made zero investment in your quarterback. Obviously, literally the New Orleans Saints have per percentage of the salary cap have the smallest investment in the most important position in organized team sport as any team in the NFL right now at quarterback. You’ve you’ve been awful in the draft. You’ve been awful on the offensive line despite your investment in the offensive line with four first round picks on your offensive line. You’re that’s still one of your worst units. So despite the fact that you’ve invested there in the draft, you’ve missed, you’ve drafted poorly, you’ve developed poorly. And then you got a general manager that’s comparing the likes of Dennis Allen to Chuck Null, Tom Landry, Bill Bich, and Bill Walsh. He’s delusional. You’ve got a delusional general manager that thinks he’s doing everything right despite the fact that I just read for you a decade worth of crap in the NFL draft, an approach in to the salary cap, which literally none of the other 31 teams use, but I’m sure he’s got it all figured out, right? None of the other 31 teams use that approach because it hamstrings your ability to sign free agents, sign your own free agents, and you’ve misvaluated your talent as well. I just mentioned Zack Baughn. You want to go down the list of guys who weren’t in New Orleans that you chose not to pay and had to go elsewhere. You didn’t pay Marcus Williams. You suck at safety. You didn’t pay Trey Hendrickson. You have no pass rushers. Like they’ve mis they’ve misaled evaluated their own talent. They’ve given bad contracts in free agency. They’ve drafted poorly. They’ve mismanaged the quarterback situation. The Derek Carr deal and subsequent restructures were an abject failure and disaster, which hamstrings you. It’s all why you’re in the situation you are. You draft poorly and you have no money to spend in free agency. Nobody wanted to come coach your team. So, you’re left with a 37-year-old firsttime head coach who seems like he’s in over his head coaching a talentless roster that doesn’t seem like they’re interested in listening to him or being any better. Which is why you see the undisiplined penalties and the awful general awful performance that we did on Sunday in Seattle. My only hope for this team is that eventually Gail Benson recognizes just how awful this product is and the architect of this awful product is Mickey Lumis and she moves him out. Now I understand that years ago when Rita and Gail were feuding, there were lines drawn in the sand and those in the organization that sided with Gail Benson when she won, they were made men. And Mickey Lumis is in that number. It’s why he’s never going to get fired. I get that. But can we move him out of the general manager role into a spot where he just sits in the suite, eats popcorn like the owner in rookie of the year where he’s fired up about getting a ring in a cracker jackack box, but he’s not actually doing anything. Like, can we can we have that reality with Mickey Lumis? Let him hang out. Let him smack him. Let him go down on the field before the game. Let him sit in the suite. But get someone in there who actually has some creative ideas about how to move this organization forward in a fiscally responsible manner. Someone who has a better eye at not only evaluating talent but coaches and talent evaluators to bring on staff to be able to draft better. Like I’m not crushing the guy because of one bad draft. I just went back to 2014. with the exception of the 2017 draft. It has been a disaster and he keeps trading future assets. That’s how it ends up the way it is right now in New Orleans. It’s him. And with every passing day, every passing year, as the sample size grows, you continue to realize that the success the New Orleans Saints organization had was solely solely on the shoulders of Shawn Payeyton and Drew Brees and that Mickey Lumis was just riding sidecar. And the second they were gone, his incompetence has been exposed, which is why they were terrible before Payton and Breeze. And they’re terrible again now without Payton and Breeze because he Mickey Lumis is a bad general manager. I would argue the worst general manager in football because of the now two different stints sandwiched by this incredible era of Pton Breeze to display his incompetence without them before and after. Gail’s got to do the right thing. Uh it’s really their only way out of this. because as long as he’s in that role, they’ll never win again. So, just wait it out. Hey, thanks so much for watching. Please leave your comments. I love to interact. And be sure to hit the red subscribe button below. 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Matt Moscona breaks down the Saints’ blowout loss to the Seahawks, examining why discipline, coaching, and roster management are holding the team back. From missed field goals and blocked punts to poor draft decisions and mismanaged quarterback investments, the Saints continue to struggle across all three phases. We dive into Kellen Moore’s leadership, the mistakes that cost New Orleans dearly, and why Mickey Loomis’ tenure as GM may be the root of the team’s long-term struggles.
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I've been railing against Loomis's drafts being horrible, along with this win/loss record with free agents for many years.
Kloolaid sad too. Real sad. Alonte is okay.
Penning played all 17 games last year.
We will never get rid of Money Mickey!
I went to this game and Kellen Moore didn’t even speak to the team on the sidelines!! It was embarrassing to watch!!
And thru it all Loomis is insufferably arrogant
The answer is yes yes he is
Johnny Cochran couldn't have explained it better, get his Mario Mushroom looking axx outta here
Mickey gotta go
The team hired Dimitroff this year for this reason. This was always a 2-3 year rebuilding project.
Your killing me Smalls
Is it paper bag time
Idk if I'd say PJ Williams aka Mr. DUI was a bad pick. He was ok for a 3rd rd pick
Now this guy knows how to evaluate talent. Get Loomis out of there. The End
When the eagles were building their team.Mickey Loomis was trading away draft picks to the eagles. Matt you have a conversation with Ms. Benson and layout the blueprint and ask her could you come on board as consultant.
Matt, why don't you run the team. You have the answers to all the Saints problems.
I wouldn't count Peat and PJ Williams as fails. They played roles for you for multiple years for you. Just because they didn't fit your initial plans doesnt mean they were "busts".
All FACTS Drew will never say it but one day Sean is going to tell it all he left because of Micky
Its already destroyed. Get rid of the cancer Loomis
Preach Matt!
This dude again with the ML garbage……"It is all the GM fault, he controls the draft, blah, blah blah…..How many of those draft picks left and went to Denver with SP? So your head coach has ZERO say in who is drafted? I am pretty sure that Cam Jordan was just on a podcast saying that is was SP's fault they didn't take a QB round 1 while Brees was still there. And I am sure DA had a HUGE say in what defensive players were drafted the years he was here….COME ON MAN
This is for all the saints fans who doesn't understand that Mikey Loomis is a hands off GM. He gives the Head Coach total control over roster construction, total control over Staff construction and total control over the draft. The only thing Mickey Loomis has his hand in is trades and contracts. Yall love to give Sean Payton so much credit but, let not act like if he didn't have Drew he would've been fired after 3 straight 7-9 season. Because of teams Sean built, trying to copy the legend of boom. Sean Payton and Dennis Allen are the reason why those drafts sucked, the GM and Scouts can only scout what the coach wants to fit their scheme or what Sean Liked to say prototype, at the end of the day Sean and DA had the last say so over who is on the roster and who to draft.
For the people in the back, Mickey Loomis will never be FIRED by the Saints. All you fans can kick, scream and cry all day until you're blue in face but he's not going anywhere.
Fire Loomis
I’d prefer that Mickey Loomis step down and move into another position because I know he’s not being fired. He’s missed on some draft picks for sure and he spent a lot of money trying to win now with Bree’s. I don’t blame him for the trying to win part but if we are going to blame him for missed draft picks and fa signing then we have to give him credit for the good ones. He’s probably at a point where the game has passed him by but he’s not the incompetent that you make him out to be. You’ve poisoned the well with Loomis in the same way you did with Carr. You are just toxic sometimes man.
Sean and Mickey started this oil spill years ago.
Sell the team to someone who cares about the game, cares about the city/state & understands its a culture. Fire Gum Smacking Mick for all the reasons Matt just stated and get a GM & Coach who has those same desired qualities plus knows how to cultivate a team equipped to win and lead MEN under a team culture with standards and toughness.
Ryan Clark wants to be a GM eventually and Kelvin Sheppard is going to be a HC in this league sooner than later. Both LSU Alumni who have had successful NFL Careers, know football/how the NFL works and are men's men.
For some perspective on how far this team has fallen, the last time they went to Buffalo they won 47-10. And That Bills team was a wild card team.
I think that's why they brought in that old GM from Atlanta..might take the GM spot from Loomis
Can you talk more about that Civil War between Gail and the other lady
You on it the past episodes
Where have you been. Mad Mickey has been running into ground for 4 years
You have to look beyond the results
I've said this since the preseason, my expectations for this 2025 Saints team is 0-16-1 at worst, 1-15-1 at best. Mickey Loomis has milked every single penny from 2009 he could.
Jalen Hurts made Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore did not make Jalen Hurts. Young coach being touted as genius but where is his star QB? By the way, Buffalo 48, NO 6.
I don't care if he's in will or contingency plan, he needs to step down as general manager. Because this is awful.
Get Loomis out of the way and let Kellen Moore run the team !!!!!
The jury find the defendant Looms. Guilty on all charges. Time for a new GM to help Coach Moore
You can’t say a coach is in over his head 3 games in lmfaooo stfu
Was the Special Teams Coach fired?
6 bad drafts in a row, not taking Lamar Jackson, inability to get big free agents because of salary cap issues……….those are the issues.
I think Loomis has been paid off by the Falcons the past 8 years.
Damn good spot on analysis. I been saying Loomis is the problem for the past 2 to 3 seasons.
You said he did that four years ago.
You said all that had to happen was DA be fired, Carr removed, and Rattler at QB1 and all would be saved.
Well…..
This is exactly what you wanted. Get rid of Derek Carr and this is what happens. Told you so.
You also passed on Lamar Jackson
Fire Loomis