Giants Talk: Buster Posey explains what led to Giants’ dismissal of Bob Melvin | NBC Sports Bay Area

Giants Talk: Buster Posey explains what led to Giants’ dismissal of Bob Melvin | NBC Sports Bay Area

What’s up, Giants fans? Welcome to another episode of Giants Talk. I’m Cole Kyper here with Giants insider, Alex Pavlovich. We’ve got a very special episode today as Alex and Laura Britt sat down with the big man himself, Buster Posey, to talk about this already active off season, talk about this year’s Giants season, and much more. Before we get started, Giant Stock is presented by Mancini Sleepworld. At Mancini Sleepworld, every mattress is backed by our rest easy promise of a 365 night comfort guarantee with the lowest prices and next day delivery. Visit sleepworld.com. Alex, fun fact. Rotating your mattress every 3 to 6 months helps prevent uneven wear, sagging, and body impressions, extending its lifespan. If you’re unsure about your mattress type, Mancini’s Sleepworld experts can help you find the best way to keep it in top shape. I was I was going to rotate my mattress on Monday, but Giants have uh decided to keep us busy. So, yeah, I think a good rule of thumb for Giants fans could be just do a mattress rotation every time there’s a major personnel change. Just flip it all around. Yes. Yeah. Once a year. That’s the move. All right, Alex. So, we are sitting down after Buster Posy’s end of season press conference and after you got a chance to talk with him alongside Laura Britt. Um, let’s I guess just recap what what h what the news that broke in the uh press conference was. I mean, obviously the big question we joked about that there’ll be countless articles about, countless talks about is Bruce Bochi. Um, and we already got closure on that one. Uh yeah, not a whole lot of uh direct answers today, but that’s generally been a in Buster’s way um in a lot of times. So that was my first takeaway. But he did give us a direct answer about Bruce Bochi and he said he talked to him a couple days ago since you and I last podcasted. Um I think we’ve been on this train that this just didn’t make sense. The Rangers and Boch uh mutually agreed to part ways. They said he can stay as an adviser. Buster talked to Bochi and I think basically offered him the same thing. You happy to have you be here. Um you will not be part of the manager search. And I think a big part of that is just look Bruce Bochi’s 70. And from what I’ve heard talking to people who I haven’t talked to him, but talking to people who have talked to him recently, I mean he feels like maybe he had like one more year left in him. But that was part of our thing is it just never made sense to be like here’s one more year and then we can do this whole song and dance again next year or you you know you name the manager and waiting but I how often does that like actually work? So u maybe it’ll work in Texas right now with Skip Schumacher but yeah I think that’s that was the main takeaway from today. Other than that, um I think the, you know, Buster is very open to anything in terms of a manager, in terms of fixing the roster. Um that was what we got a whole lot of today. So, he’s good at this. He’s good at uh good at not not making headlines. Yeah. Uh Bruce Bochi is not the only manager vacating a position this year. Um, so I guess those guys, those experienced guys are automatically going to be part of any discussion that a podcast like us has and probably even any front office has. So, uh, what Atlanta and Anaheim, I believe, both lost their managers. I think, uh, Brian Snickers is out. Um, Ron Washington is out. I yeah, there were a couple guys that got kept, but my main thing with this is just it, you know, part of this is a little bit who are you interested in and who else is interested in that person? And um really seems like Albert Pooh is the queer front runner in Anaheim. That’s the word coming out today. Um we’ll see what Atlanta wants to do. Certainly they’re in a little bit of a similar position to the Giants and that they believe they should make the postseason next year. So there might be some overlap there. I think everyone believes Shoemaker is going to get the Rangers job. He we I think we talked about him on Monday. He we did he’s um he certainly was somebody who I think would have been on the short list. So, but I I look we’re reading tea leaves here and again like I think Buster was asked about would you hire a college manager and he’s like not going to say anything would you hire that would just not going to not going to comment on the individual people but I I would think he has a very specific short list in mind here and you don’t make a move like this without that being the case but I just think he’s had a long time to think about this and think about who he wants and you know get in touch with people and and figure out what he’s looking for. It’s kind of makes it difficult because I get this the feeling you’re exactly right that he knows he’s got a handful of names in mind and is very good at not sharing those. Um, so we’re going to be able to throw a lot of names around over the next week, two weeks, however long this takes. And it could be someone just totally out of right field. It could be. And one thing we talked about on the emergency pod is like he kind of has the pull to do that, right? like he if if he does want to just go totally off the board. Um yeah, he he could do that and we it’d just kind of be I think fans would probably be fine with it for the most part, but really it’d be Yeah, he he has the pull to do that. Um I do think we’re going to see some more traditional, you know, choices as well. You see some of the lists that are being put together. Um, the guy I keep coming back to and I I don’t know where this would will go, but I I do think the Giants have some interest in talking to Nick Hunley, he just I think I said this on Monday, he just checks a lot of boxes in terms of what they’re looking for. Um, but there are other Buster teammates that that could be interesting. Um, maybe he’ll go off the board and maybe not like a we’re not talking like Kane or Bumgardner or anything, but like there are pitchers he he pitched with who I know want to manage and some other guys he played with who want to manage. So, yeah, he could go he could go anywhere with this. Are we ready to start the wild speculation here on this podcast? because I’ve gotten a lot of crazy names from listeners who they want us to talk about, including uh you know, rivals behind the dish like Yachti Molina. Yeah, I I think Molina might be waiting for that Cardinals job. I can’t see him doing it for a team that’s not the Cardinals. Yeah, I think um same pooh is interesting that his name is out there now. I mean, that would be hilarious. It’s like here are two Hall of Famers and easy jokes sometimes when the Giants score one run for four days in a row like uh their best hitters might be the manager and the president of baseballs. I you start to see the smoke coming out of Anaheim today and it sounds like that. And that feels like an Arty Moreno move, right? Like just totally does. I think they’re paying him a million dollars a year anyway. Great. Here’s a few more responsibilities to earn that paycheck. Yeah. So, just here’s add add whatever onto it. Three, four. Yeah. Um, yeah. I don’t know. I I think we’re gonna Manager searches are really weird because you all of a sudden just hear from like a Tampa Bay newspaper that so and so their bench coach interviewed or something like that. So, these are weird. It’s really for me as a reporter, I mean, they’re really difficult to cover and we will do our best to stick with the wild speculation, but um yeah, right now I think there’s I don’t think there’s any any fire anywhere. I think there’s just a lot of speculation. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, there’s only so much we can get into the speculation now. And Buster Posy’s interview is here waiting to be graced upon your ears. A few more topics to get to before that though. One is the reunions. Giants have a handful of players who aren’t contractually obligated to be on the team again next year, but seem open to reuniting with. And we’ve gotten mailbag questions about these. I’ve kind of been waiting on them until uh the offseason was fully in swing. Um but I’m talking Justin Burlander, talking to Wilmer Flores, despite his sendoff. Dom Smith. What do we think, Alex? Are any of these realistic um reunions? I think Verlander is realistic because he he fits a lot. Look, they need pitching. They It was brought up over and over again and Buster mentions it in this interview coming up. Um they need pitching. They need multiple starting pitchers. He One thing I thought was interesting was when I I asked Justin the other day about potentially like did you pitch your way into a multi-year deal? And he’s like, I don’t even think I want a multi-year deal. Like I just want to go year by year. which which fits in certain ways with this team that you know maybe you go out and get one one bigger not bigger name because there’s no bigger name than Justin Frolander but one longer contract and then Flanders you’re you’re five or um yeah so I I think that would be that would be realistic. I it’s really going to be up to him. I think I think he pitched he pitched to the to such success in the second half that he can if he wants to I don’t know pick a team closer to he lives in Florida I believe so who’s closest Atlanta if he wants to be a brave like he pitched well enough if he wants to be on the east coast somewhere he pitched well enough down the stretch um the other two guys I you know Wilmer that really felt like goodbye think do it um just not a fit for this roster officer. And in a weird way, I’ll say the same thing. We’ve said this about Dom. Even though one’s left-handed and one’s right-handed, I I just don’t think when you have whether it’s opening day or whether it’s two weeks or whether it’s a month, Bryce Eldridge is going to be on this roster. And he will be with Rafie Deers and I just don’t think you can have a third guy who is a first base uh DH type. So you need because you look at a bench, you you need your backup catcher, you need your backup infielder, you need your backup outfielders. Like you need some flexibility there and you can’t just be this is a little bit like when they signed Jorge Cer and right away they were like, “Oh, what where does this work? He’s only a DH and we nobody else can slide into that spot now.” Um, you know, what if something happens where you need Matt Chapman or Elliot Ramos or somebody to DH for a couple weeks to to make some injury easier for them, which happens. Um, what if you need to give guys in that DH spot and you you’re like, well, we have three of them. So, uh, yeah, I just don’t think it makes sense for either one of those guys. And I we’ve said this before about Dom, like he was really good. And what’s the upside for him coming back here to be the seventh inning pinch hitter slash occasional defensive replacement at first and maybe, hey, go take some fly balls in left field. Like, that’s not really it. No, Don’s gonna get a nice starting contract somewhere after what he did this year. And we will smile when we see him, you know, pop up in the headlines for doing something. And I’m I’m curious if Wilmer will continue on even with another team. I mean, he’s 34 at this point. He’s performed a little and a little worse year after year. Um, still has those big moments of clutch, but that’s a guy I would love to see come back in the Giants organization in some kind of non-player role uh in player development or who knows because he’s been such an influential figure in the Giants clubhouse and I don’t know just for this fan base for the past five years. Unrelated to our current topic, he can manage one day if he wants to. I we didn’t say his name, but you saw I put him on the list of our uh names we should mention. Yes. On the emergency pod, he he will be in that group of former players that if he wants to um he you could see some of the Instagrams just from even like guys who played here like three, four years ago uh on Sunday and Monday like the respect he has from current and former Giants is just off the charts. So um maybe there’s a bench roll for him somewhere. Um, if not, I think he, you know, he has he has a family and he has some things off the field that he probably can spend a few years doing, but whenever Wilmer decides that he wants to be a manager, I think he will get a bunch of interviews right away. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So beyond reuniting with those three guys, I think we we already had discussed on this podcast that Verlander was really the most realistic to come back, especially after the second half, especially the late second half he had. Um, what else is the focus this off season? Pitching. Pitching. That was really the one I mean there’s no specifics today, but that was the one thing that was gener somewhat specific was just how often pitching was brought up. I you know I think Buster mentioned outfield defense is something that they can improve on which we yeah they could get a lot better there. Um but I think pitching in general is which is obvious right like that that’s going to be the entire off seasonason and you and I will couple weeks maybe we can we can go through that whole free agent group um and see who’s out there other than Verlander. There’s a couple names that stand out to me right away, but yes. Um, but yeah, we will that it’s going to have to be pitching. It’s going to have to be bullpen, too. So, the final topic worth noting before we get to the Buster Posey interview with you and Laura Brit is Bryce Eldridge. Um, he had left wrist surgery. Um, not predicted to impact his spring training. I think it said it was an 8week fairly short recovery. But what do we think of this? Is this a red flag? Is this already the big fella is having um injury issues after only two weeks in the big leagues? No, I actually think it’s a green flag because um he look he dealt with some some discomfort in spring training and clearly was not right the entire year. And for it wasn’t like nothing jumped off the page when he was up here except for go to his baseball savant page and go to like hard hit percentage, barrel rate, things like that. all the he hits the crap out of the ball. Obviously, we knew that, but he did it even in a small sample here against big league pitching. He’s up there with the judges, the Stantons, the Otanis in in terms of that. So, um to do that when you’re not 100% I think is a positive. And it’s eight weeks of recovery and I I think Bryce planned to go home anyway and and spend the first few weeks of the offseason at home and and resting. It was a long year for him. So, I don’t think this impacts anything. I think he hopefully he’s fully healthy coming into next spring and and yeah, we’ll see where uh we’ll see what how the Giants feel about him about what his opening day status, you know, on February 13th or 14th, whatever it is, but um think he’ll be totally fine. All right, with that, let’s take it to Buster Posey before the interview. Of course, Giant Stock is presented by Mancini Sleepworld. At Mancini Sleepworld, every mattress is backed by our rest easy promise of a 365 night comfort guarantee with the lowest prices and next day delivery. Visit sleepworld.com. So, Buster, the search begins for a new manager for the San Francisco Giants. How do you personally go about preparing for something like this? And do you have a mentor that you lean on and kind of pick their brain? Uh, interesting question. How do I prepare for it? Well, I’ve never done it, so it’s it’s a you know, it’ll be a learning process, but I I think as much as anything, you lean on uh a lot of relationships that I’ve made um in the game for the last uh 20-ish years. Um got a lot of good people around me. I’ve got uh people in the front office that have have gone through this process before. Um so, I think you you lean on them. And uh I’m always open to to One thing I have learned in in this job is there’s a lot of opinions flying from a lot of different directions. Um so I’m I’m open to hear uh I’m open to hear people’s thoughts. So when you take your phone and you put it on work mode, so you only get specific text messages, right? Yeah, that’s what uh yeah, Kristen mentioned that the other day and uh I need to be better about that. There was a a stretch of games at home this year where the Giants lost 14 of 15. How much did that impact this decision in moving forward with a new manager? I don’t know how much you say it it it impacted. I mean, it’s that was a tough stretch for us, but but from from my seat, I’m trying to look at everything and not necessarily a twoe stretch. Um, undoubtedly that was that was a tough time. Um, and I’m trying my best not to go back through some of those stretches and say what if, you know, what if we’d won uh half of those games, where would we be? I’m sure every team does that. I’m sure every team can point to specific times in the year. Um but but overall I think it was just a decision to uh to to get a different voice, different direction, maybe a little bit different style of of motor motivation and leadership. The the two previous managers um very different but both of them I covered and they’re both very serious individuals in different ways. strikes me and I I never played but that’s maybe something that’s difficult when you go into a slide to to find your way out of it when that’s the personality of a clubhouse for lack of a better term do you just need somebody who’s maybe has a different energy or brings a a lightness in stretches like that yeah I think I think in these type of roles that that energy or that lightness it can come it can come from your personnel in the clubhouse from the players um it can come from as you mentioned to as you mentioned it come can come from the manager it can come from coaches I don’t think it necessarily you have to pigeon hole that specifically on the manager um but but I do know there’s a ton of value um on what happens not only on the field but interaction clubhouse on the plane um so you take all that into account I think um when when thinking about this and Uh, you know, I I hesitate too because I do have such respect for for Bob Melvin and I it sometimes it’s hard to answer some of these questions because I feel like I’m I’m I’m indicting him in a certain way. And so it’s when I’m thinking about those me the answering these I have him in mind as well because I do have tremendous respect for him and you know unfortunately we didn’t play type of baseball that I was hoping we would play and so that’s where why we are where we are. You said on Monday you’re looking for someone who’s obsessive about the details obsessive obsessive about the work helping guys get better. First thing that popped into my head was some of the guys you you played with in in your final season. I mean, some of these coaches who were living at hotels because they were here so early. Wondering how much did that season and and working with guys like Donnie Eker and Kai Korea and Craig Alberz maybe how will that impact um the way you go about the search? Yeah, I mean it’s the the attention to details, the little things. Uh I think those are the margins. They’ve always been the margins. Um, and you you sit and you watch a season and you see some mistakes that are made that you feel like could have been prevented. Mistakes are always going to happen. That’s part of the game. Um, but yeah, having somebody that that I think is important that’s that’s willing to have a tough conversation with somebody. Um, you know, I mentioned in the press conference earlier, uh, about Boch is like I never considered Boch a friend when I was playing the game or when I was playing. Uh, I do now, but I think that type of relationship is important that there needs to be a certain amount of reverence and respect that the players have for the manager. Uh, and ultimately know that that the buck stops with that person. A lot was made a year ago of um the analytic staff and maybe the changes that were made there as you had a year to to think about all this. How do you feel you guys are doing in that department and and maybe where you stack up compared to other teams in the division? Well, I I I don’t really know how we stack up to other teams in the division, but I feel like we’re we’re in a good place. Um a lot of it from from what I could tell after doing this a year is is very dependent on the coaching staff. It depends on um their willingness to to receive some of the information and then how much they want to use it. Um and I I do think that that’s a a good process. I think that some players are more likely to go straight to an analyst and and get the information and and that’s okay, too. So, you know, I the way I look at it is is it’s very much a piece to the larger picture of of trying to get the most out of every single player. Buster, knowing there’s not maybe one specific player or even one aspect that can fix a team, what do you see as the biggest need for this team next year? Uh, I think our focus is going to be um on pitching, you know, to to try to fortify our starting staff. Um, same goes with the bullpen. Uh, you know, I believe that pitching and defense wins and so that’s where that’s where we’ll probably start looking this off seasonason when free agency does happen. Along those same lines, pitching obviously was an issue at times for the team this season. What was your big takeaway about, I guess, the importance of of pitching depth for a team? Well, you I mean, you always hear it. you can never have enough pitching and uh I feel like we came into the year thinking that we had a nice amount of depth and then by the end it didn’t feel like we had a lot of depth. So uh definitely a learning experience for me to know that uh that that old adage is you never can have enough pitching is is definitely true. What did you learn about I guess young pitchers in particular? I mean, you said so much last offseason and this spring and at the time it was true that the strength of this organization was young pitching and ended up not really being for you there over the course of the year. Yeah, I think Zack Zach mentioned this in the press conference conference earlier. I think he he was spot on that um maybe some of them didn’t make the strides that we were hoping for. Um, but sometimes, uh, you know, some of these lumps that you take as a young pitcher can prove to be valuable learning lessons. And, uh, we’re still excited about some of these young arms that we have and and believe that there’s a a path for them to help us win games. From the Young Arms to the most veteran arm in baseball, Justin Verlander, do you plan to have conversations with him this month about returning? We’re open. I mean, he’s been great. He was a great teammate. Um, I I personally felt like he pitched uh even when he was probably receiving a lot of crit criticism earlier in the year. Um, felt like he was still in a place that was putting us in a spot that we could win games. Didn’t get a ton of run support. Uh, bullpen gave it up for him a little bit in some of those stretches, but then really turned it on um that towards the end of the season. And uh, pretty remarkable. I mean, for a guy that’s soon, I guess, turns 43 in uh the spring to be able to go out and compete against guys that are some half his age is is pretty impressive. Going from the rotation of the bullpen, how do you begin to rebuild your bullpen? Well, I think we look internally. We we look at options that that we have uh double AAA and then uh a big part of it will be for us is is minor league free agents. Um you know that that you know Pagarro was a guy this year that um we signed as a minor league free agent and came up and helped us down the stretch. So to me it’s internal. You look you’re looking at minor league free agents and then obviously uh major league free agents you’ll take that into consideration as well. And then the trade route’s also a possibility. It took a few months, but you did end up um feeling pretty good about the William Thomas contract and the Justin Verlander contract. Those were the two big moves last off seasonason. I mean, did that teach you anything just about maybe what you’re able to add in an offseason if you are that aggressive? Uh teach just in terms of you you guys kind of stopped there after that. I know you felt a lot of faith in the internal options, but um just maybe you’re you’re now two for two with those two guys. Would you be more aggressive this offseason because you guys did a pretty good job even including somebody like Dom Smith that you got in season? Yeah, I mean I think the the the best way for me to answer that is that uh we’ll we’ll most certainly look at options from from every uh avenue that they can come from. And uh yeah, you you take the information that you have um you use the relationships you’ve created. try to try to paint this picture that you feel like you can get behind and that’s what we’ll do again uh this off season. Um two young guys who are kind of up against the clock at this point, Marco Luciano and Luis Mtos. Both of them finished a year in Triple A. Marco played the entire season there. What do you think is the future for them in San Francisco? Well, again, these are these are guys that have shown flashes of being great players and they’ve taken their lumps as well. I think you you understand that we are up against the clock for uh with those players and and they certainly know that this coming spring is is monumental for them. Remember the first day of spring training you you talked about Patrick and said I I had a talk with him and said your goal is to lead the pitching staff and and that’s the main thing I want to see from you. He did that and I think he’s going to win a second straight gold glove and might win a platinum glove at the same time offensively. It was really rough for him. How do you just kind of sum up his entire season and what you need to see from him going into next year? I thought he made some really good strides defensively. We we all know that he’s the best framer in the game. Um I thought that there was more attention to detail on the other parts, the blocking, threw the ball great. Um talking to our pitching staff, they were all uh really pleased with his preparation and and game planning. And then I do think um you know he made some mechanical adjustments uh at the plate the last threeish weeks of the year. Um you saw him get a little bit more uh upright with his posture, what I like to call stacked with his his hips and his shoulders, moved his hands back, just seemed to simplify things for him. And um so he I’m hoping he feels pretty good about those offensive changes because it was that’s tough that’s tough to show up every day and struggle that much with the bat. So, I’m happy for him and for us that um there was some positive momentum there towards the end. My last of many Bryce Aldridge questions to you this year. What did you take away from his two weeks? I mean, the strikeouts were there, but also he I think his hard hit percentage, barrel percentage, everything was like league leading quality. I think it’s kind of what we anticipated we might see see some swing and miss. Um hit the ball hard. I was impressed at some of his takes. I thought he did a nice job against some really tough pitchers. It’s a big jump. It’s a big jump from Triple A to the big leagues for a lot of different reasons. One is the quality of arms that you’re seeing every day, every night, starting pitching, relief pitching. Um there are some takes against Yamamoto, like balls just under the zone that he did a nice job with. So, it’s exciting to uh to have a guy that that you know there’s tremendous upside. Um, I know he knows and we all know there’s there’s a lot of room for growth still and uh we’re excited to to keep watching that. Do you still anticipate him being in a position next spring of of come out and try to win a job as opposed to going into next year planning for a roster with him tied onto it? I think it’s a possibility. Yeah, I think it’s a possibility. Um, yeah, I’ll leave it at that. I think it’s a possibility. Buster, this team struggled with errors this season. 96 total errors. That’s the sixth most in all of the majors. What are practical ways that you guys as a team can help solve those defensive issues? Uh I’m a big believer that with preparation comes confidence and then your success that you have in the moment that also lends itself to confidence and then I think it’s uh cyclical. You understand that the preparation and the work that you put in uh led to that success and that confidence. So the hope is that it just keeps happening over and over again. Um yeah. So is it as simple as there’s there’s certain drills that you can do, certain uh spots that we can put the players in that that uh will prevent some of these errors. I don’t know if it’s if it’s that simple. Um but I think there there’s there’s possibilities there that doing some of those things will help us be in a better place. You’ve been the president of baseball operations for a year now. Looking back on it, what caused you the most frustration this season and what were your favorite parts of the season? Uh most frustration. Um you know, I think looking sometimes when we were going through a tough stretch and knowing that uh there was more there than what was being shown on the field. um coupled with the fact that it was a different experience for me uh watching and not participating and being just as invested as I was as a player um and knowing that you get to a certain point where um the moves are kind of what they are. You know, you get past the trade deadline and there’s not uh unless you’re gonna, you know, go up and down with your your minor league roster. Um, so maybe some of that lack of uh the ability to feel like you can impact um and the same way as you did as a player. I think uh what I enjoyed the most was was seeing our players have success. Um all of them. I mean, it’s understanding how incredibly difficult it is to play Major League Baseball. Um it’s pretty gratifying to see your guys out there um contributing to to winning baseball games. Buster, thanks for sitting down with us. Best of luck this off seasonason. Thank you.

Giants’ President of Baseball Operations Buster Posey sits down with NBC Sports Bay Area’s Alex Pavlovic and Laura Britt and reflects on his tumultuous first season at the helm in San Francisco.

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