CANUCK CLAY 24 HOUR LIVESTREAM: OCTOBER 12 & 13, 2025 – PART 1

CANUCK CLAY 24 HOUR LIVESTREAM: OCTOBER 12 & 13, 2025 – PART 1

Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. Hello, Kucks fans. Are we ready? I’m ready. Are you ready for yet another 24-hour live stream? I’m so glad that you are here. Uh, thanks for being here with me on this Thanksgiving Sunday. Happy Thanksgiving Sunday to all of you. I cannot wait to get going. uh been preparing for this for a few months now and I’m so grateful that all of you are here and uh let’s start off by before I do my formal intros and everything. We’re going to allow for uh allow a few minutes for people to pile in here as we start off. I believe there’s no NHL games today if I’m not mistaken, but um I’m not sure. I of course NFL is going on. No NHL, but a lot of NFL going on. How does the microphone sound? And I know I was really worried about the microphone cracking. I’ve done a couple things, including checking the cable, but my friends, my smart friends told me it wouldn’t be the cable because I’m using a digital cable. So, they told me to check other things. So, does it sound okay right now? Is it cracking? And if it’s cracking, it’s cracking. What can we do? Uh Shannon says, “Let’s go 24-hour live stream.” Riley says, “What up, Clay?” Uh Irvin, are you wearing a comfy enough outfit? Well, better be careful. I make sure I’m wearing pants. I’m wearing shorts. I’m wearing shorts. And I had my nice GLCBC or CCC shirt on, but I realized that you can’t really see it um on the on the crest. So, I I might change into it later. I have a couple outfit changes, not on purpose, but for now, uh yeah, this shirt is very comfy. I got the fan going, and I feel uh I feel good. I know that I look good. I know that all you guys look good as well. Happy Thanksgiving to you all. It’s finally the stream. Oh, there is one game. Rangers versus Caps. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Appreciate it. Yeah. And on Friday, um there were there were no games either. It’s crazy because did every team play yesterday or was it close to every team? We got a hey from Lyndon. Hello Duolingo. Good luck, bro. Thank you. You got to ref a pro wrestling main event. That’s awesome. Riley, tell me what card. Send me Send me some footage. I love reading your stuff for sure. Gerald, I appreciate you. Uh appreciate you. Yeah, Justin, this one’s tricky because the ninja um the ninja is gonna be tricky because I uh it takes about 10 to 15 minutes to make a slurpie. So, I have to really a slushie. So, I have to really really um kind of plan that out, but I’m sure I’ll be consuming one or two by the time the stream is over. Fang girl is wearing my merch. That is awesome. If you get on one of the open houses, then I want to see that for sure. Yes, the Blue Jays. I I yeah, I don’t care about baseball, but I am aware of the massive ramifications. Ricky says, “Have a great stream, bro. Looking forward to the break music, so take as many.” I tested it, Ricky. It’s ready just for you. I can’t remember you like the five minute one or the 10-minute one. Hockey from home. I know you were here at the start of last year stream as well because I was watching that um to remind myself of what to do. But let’s get to I’ll get to more of your comments as this first hour is kind of informal um as we set the stage for what’s going to be an amazing 24 hours. But let’s start off by recognizing Swerv and Irvin and the first donation of the stream and it’s a it’s an awesome one. It’s a membership gift of five memberships. So, shout out to Swervven Irvin who gives five memberships and franchise memberships and they go to Adrian T, a familiar face. BC, a familiar face. I know he loves the the LA Kings. Colin, Kieran, and Tornado Freaks. Well, welcome to all five of you for franchise membership. Let’s give some love to Swervan Irvin in the chat. and uh really appreciate uh you you getting us going with that that donation and yeah, it’s going to be exciting. It’s going to be exciting. Um all five of you, welcome to membership. Swervan Irvin, thank you for that. So, I guess now is a good time to talk about how you guys can get involved tonight. Um as we traverse through the next 24 hours together, I I put a poll and I’m going to ask you in the chat, not yet, but in a couple minutes, I’m going to ask you to explain yourselves. But um I put a poll. How how many hours do you think you’re gonna be watching in today’s stream? Shannon is also wearing her CCC crew shirt. That is awesome. You ref how do you say that? Natamas mania. All right, that sounds good. Hockey from home. Glad you’re here. We got Twisted Wrist who’s joining me at 8. Nick Pinkerton joining me at 8:00 to break down the Pacific. I cannot wait uh to I cannot wait to talk with you. Yes, Truman. Um no hard feelings here. Oilers played a lot better than the Canucks, that’s for sure. I know it’s only two games in U, but we already have a lot to break down about this Vancouver Conucks team. Yeah, we got a lot of clips. Um, for sure Gil and Kayla. Um, I my guess is you’ll see Kayla. There’s a couple spots that are still iffy and if if um um a guest dips for whatever reason, um they Gail and Kayla are going to be on standby, but they’re busy. They’re busy. G Kayla’s not even home. Gail and Kayla are going out tonight to my goddaughter’s birthday whose I’d go to if I wasn’t doing my stream and then I have a pretty full schedule and I’m not going to make them come on at 4:00 or 5 in the morning. So, we’ll see. My guess is you’ll you’ll see Kayla for sure by the time the stream is done. Not sure if that’s Gail’s cup of tea, but we will make it work. All right, I’m going to get to your actual questions questions questions in a sec. Clay showed up today last night. Swervvin Irvin monthly membership message. So, let’s give Swervven Irvin some love in the chat once again. Who do you think you are? I am really like this comment because I like Pat. I love Patrick Sunundstrom. He was my favorite old school Conucks player. He wore the number 17. So, Swervvener says, “We ain’t done. Happy to celebrate Patrick Sunundrum months. Let’s have an awesome next 24 hours.” Yes, I am looking forward to it. Got some good rest, so I am ready to go. Let’s give Swervan Irvin some love in the chat. And then the legendary Carol Boander comes through and that slaps. Legendary Carol Ovaler says, “Here’s some money to buy a Pepsi for your slurpee.” Thank you. Thank you, Carol. I appreciate it. And uh as I look at that tortilla slap, people are asking are we going to do something similar tonight? We will see. I’ve I’ve told the boys to basically plan whatever they want for their their hour and a bit. So look for it. Hope man like all my guests are so good. I’m so blessed to have such a stacked lineup this 24 hours. A lot of fun things. But um if anything, if you’re not doing anything, make sure you come back at midnight. Make sure you come back at midnight because uh the boys uh always something memorable happens. And this year I will actually record it and I’ll explain that to you in a second. And I don’t believe this. You know it’s a good night. He’s single-handedly trying to nail the high five himself. He’s done three of the high five. But Swervven Irvin upgrades to a legend. Like I’ve already played this. No, we’re going to give him We’re going to give him this one. So, Swerven up Irvin upgrades to legend. That makes six legends now, including Carol who’s here, Lucas, Brian, Andrew, and Tyler. That is amazing. So Irvin, I will contact you about a couple of things like once the 24-hour stream is done. But that is wonderful stuff. Thank you, Irvin. Let’s give Swervan Irvin some love in the chat. That is massive. That is massive that Swervven Irvin has upgraded to legendary membership. Amazing stuff. Thank you. Thank you. What a great start to the stream. Okay, I think now is a good time. We’re we’re 10 minutes in. Now’s a good time to go through some of the housekeeping items. And I don’t mean I’m going to start, you know, vacuuming and doing dishes around the house. Well, Gerald, we’re not going to technically, yeah, we just need a new member now because we have a donation, we have a membership gift, we have a monthly membership message, we have an upgrade, but um you’ll see that I’m giving enough I’ll talk about this in a minute, but I’m giving enough away today where it’s it’s already a high five in terms of so yeah, I I’m not doing high five today, but yeah, if someone becomes a new member, which I hope someone will over the course of 24 hours, I’ll take care of that o over the next week or so, but we have a big massive giveaway um later in in this 24-hour live stream. All right, so let’s I’m going to go over some of the housekeeping now. Actually, before I do that, before I do that, let’s do a couple more things and then we’ll go over the housekeeping. In the chat right now, I’m going to highlight everyone who who does this. Type in where you’re watching from right now. So, the first question is, where are you watching from right now? this 24-hour live stream. And uh yeah, I’d love to know. And then we’re we’ll plenty of time the second half of this the second half of this show, this hour, we will talk about last night’s game. Uh I saw Justin, you’re going to be in and out because you we’re doing the Shawn Mendes concert that tonight. That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Philip is here. Hey, Phillip. That is great. Um all right, Gourd is here. Gordon, I was thinking about you. Awesome. You are in Ladner. Harry’s in Richmond. I’ve actually been to Harry’s house. That’s pretty cool. We live about 15 minutes apart from each other. Selena’s in North Van. Gerald’s home in North Van. Lisa’s watching from Victoria. Hello, Lisa. Riley’s in California. Carol did find me. Yes, on my first 24-hour live stream in 2021. I’ll talk about that in a second. Ah, watching at home, but I’ll take you to no frrills. Awesome. Just don’t make me do anything for the um for the checkout lady like you did to Russell. Hey Simon, West Vancouver. Shannon’s in Victoria. Helen’s in Burnaby. Wonderful. Chris is in Cam Loops. Awesome. Nice to see you, Chris. Justin’s in Suri. Carol’s in the Okonogan. Jovidito, nice to see you in downtown Vancouver. That is great. That is great. Anyone else want to proclaim where they are watching from right now? Right here today. We have some good representation. We have some good representation. Seeing is there anyone here from I know um obviously Nick is from the states. Is there anyone watching from overseas right now? Overseas? Oh, it depends, I guess, where you It could be anywhere from 900 p.m. to early morning. All right, that’s good. That’s a good smattering. A a good good cross-section. Let’s now get to um Oh, good. We got more. We got more. Chanel, Maple Ridge, welcome Chanel. Nice to see you. Okay, let’s do this. Yes, I remember hockey from home. So, hockey from home, what I was saying is um last year I I I rewatched last year’s first hour to make sure that I wasn’t missing anything this year and I did the same thing. I asked where everyone was from and I think one of the very the very first person I acknowledge was you hockey from home. So, I’m glad that you are here. I know um I haven’t seen you a lot in the nightly streams, but I I recognize it does start at 11:00 p.m. Pacific time. So, 2 am for you. Next question, and then we’ll get to all the housekeeping and then we’ll get to some talk about last night’s game. I put in the poll. I said, “How many hours do you expect to watch today?” I said, “How many hours do you expect to watch today?” I’m going to end that poll now. 47% of you are said 0 to eight hours. Oh, there we go. Hi, Sky Train Alfred. Nice to see you. And we have our international representation. Burn is here from Germany. Welcome Burn. Nice to see you. 48% of you said 0 to eight hours. That’s fine as long as it’s not close to zero. And 28% of you said all 24 hours. And well, I don’t have reason to doubt you. I I I’m very excited for that. Really? All So, you’re going to be here as long as I’m here. All 24 hours. That’s impressive. I want you to name yourself. And actually, I want everyone in the chat to to tell me now. Type it out. How many hours do you recently as I’m not going to hold you to this? I have no way to do that. But how many hours do you think you’re going to be here? Put it in the chat. Uh to finish that off, 14% of you saying 9 to 16 hours and then 10% of you are saying 17 to 23 hours. So between the 10 and the 28% that has said all 24, 38% of you, over a third of you are saying you’re going to be watching more than 2/3 of this stream, which is awesome, awesome, awesome. All right, let’s see what you say. And yeah, um we got time. I got I got this whole hour to kill. So uh you can put in your explanation as well. 0 to 8 hours cuz I’m sick. Oh no, I need to sleep early and ch and and channel stuff, but I’ll make an hour or two probably. I might have you in the background. I will take that. I hope you feel better. Hockey from home. 9 to 16 hours. I have a family commitment. I need to sleep. That makes sense. If they sleep by the computer, it would count as 24. That’s true. Gorge says two. Irvin says many as I can. Riley says many as your phone will allow. Well, we’ll try plug it in for sure. Sure. Koya, I remember you from last year. I remember sadly that you like uh you kept losing in my not losing but you went backtoback exits in my in my end of stream um contest if you remember that. Not to bring up bad memories but yes leaving me on in the background certainly counts. 08 hours from Harry because he got work. Sky train says 11. I’ll take it. Carol says all 24. That’s why you’re a legend Carol. When people go to sleep I will watch you overnight. Simon you mean on the stream right? Dualingo. Very good. Uh the schedule is actually if you look in the description actually I don’t think I put it in the description. Oh no I didn’t. But I do um I’m you know maybe I should do that. Give me a sec. I think I should actually put it in the description. But um how do I do that real quick? Actually I’ll do that on my first break. I am going to go over the whole schedule now. Uh, but you see in the video description, you have at least the the schedule for the first eight hours. But that’s a good point. In my first break, I will put the description into each of the each of the video descriptions. Well, at least this first one for sure. I’ll be up at 5:00 a.m. tomorrow for work. I’ll be coming. Nice. Chris says all 24. That’s impressive. Some other people like, “Yeah, Sky Train.” Um I I don’t know if I Yo, I’m not going to put it up on audio, but yes, you can definitely watch it back here on YouTube when you can. All 24 hours. Keep it on. Thank you. Thank you, Shannon. Hey, Tommy, you’re a legend for doing this. I’m going to take the over on eight Pepsis in the next 24 hours. That’s going to be pretty close. Tommy was a wonderful guest last year. Appreciate you, Tommy. And uh thank you for Thank you for popping in today. Yes, you’re right, Cory. You were the second and third. Very good. You got a great memory. As long as I can, we’ll have it running on the 24. Thank you. Thank you. Bump up those numbers for sure. We have 120 people watching already. 45 in YouTube, another 75 in on X. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Double duty. Yeah, you got the Blue Jays for sure. Not golfing today. Last year I played 18 holes listening to you. That’s impressive. Longer than it takes EP4 to get a shot on goal each of the first two games. Are we there already, Justin? Are we there already? Actually, give me a sec, you guys. This will take just um this will take just a minute, but I’m actually going to put it in the description so everyone has it. So, give me one second. uh tinyurl.com. Yeah, this will just take um a minute, but probably worth it for anyone that wants to see it. And then I’m going to go over it going to go over it in a second. So, I just got to edit this really quickly on my computer. I am going to add uh here we go. Can I add the this full schedule in the video description, but I’m going to go through it here in a few minutes. Okay, that should have worked. Let’s go with that. All right. Thanks for letting me do that on the fly, you guys. It just helps me and then I think it’s there now. All right. So, I really appreciate all of you being here. As I start off this 24-hour trek, um I will explain how you get involved and I’ll explain the birth, the genesis, the history of this 24-hour live stream. So, let’s start off like this. moderators, do what you need to do to keep this a safe and respectful place. I don’t expect you to be here for all 24 hours, but there’s always at least one or two moderators looking around. That that helps a lot. But we can figure that out. Uh members, as Legends, Hall of Fame franchise members, many of you are here. Irvin upgrades from Hall of Fame to legend already, which is amazing. And we also gifted five new memberships. So all you members, thank you for your support. And to everyone else, no matter where you’re watching from, whether my beautiful neighborhood of Stephen and Richmond, in the city, lower Midland, province, country, continent, around the world, thank you for being here. You know that I know that you could be doing anything else, watching else, getting ready for whatever else. But the fact that you’re here with me know how much I always appreciate you and how much I never ever take you for granted. So, this is how you get involved. Subscribe to the channel um so you get active in the chat section. You can like the video. Make sure you like the video. It helps the algorithm and gets more people in here. You can leave a donation like people have done already. You can gift memberships, you can buy memberships, you can upgrade your own membership, you can use your monthly membership message and not putting this on a podcast platform, but you can watch it here on YouTube, but usually you can rate and review my podcasts on Spotify and wherever else as well. So, that’s how you can get involved tonight. I’m going to do a quick thank you uh to my sponsors right now. I’m going to do it at the top of every hour. No, you know what I’m going to do? I’m going to do it at the bottom of every hour right before I go to break. I think that’s a good way to do it. But uh right now I will thank uh let’s do it right at the top. Actually, let’s thank my primary No, no, I’m going to do it at the end of this hour. That’s what I’m going to do. I’m still working out the kinks in my head. I want to I want the best flow for all of you. And I think at the start of every hour, I’ll just do the reminder how people can get involved. and then I will get into the guests because I don’t want to keep the guests waiting too much even though there’s there’s no guests for this hour. Um but uh I want to get into a flow then I I can thank the sponsors as I go into um um the break after each hour. I think that makes the most sense. Yeah, that’s what we’re going to do. That’s my story and I’m sticking with it. Although Yeah, let’s do that. Let’s do that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for letting me you you see my thought process. I don’t know if it’s good, bad, or in the middle, good, bad, or ugly, but you can see my thought process as we go throughout uh the show. So, why don’t we go through the schedule, then I’ll go through some logistics, then we’ll spend a few minutes talking about the game, and then then we’ll get ready for our first guest, who which is Landon Ferraro from Sportset, which I’m very excited about. So, let’s do that. Let’s go through the schedule right now. So, here we go. You see it on your screen. All times Pacific Daylight Time, obviously, because that’s where I am right now. And it says guest and time subject to change. That’s just so um Wait, what did Gourd say? Gourd, was that directed to me? If I if I come by the house, can I drop off stuff for you? Are you talking to me? Uh, sure, Gourd. Oh, and the hype points, too. You know, I think I’m going to do the hype points. Oh, you know, I should do that at the very start. So, let’s do the hype points right now because you’re right. I I’m still figuring out my flow right now. It’s Fang Girl with 900, Justin Credible with 375, Carol with 275, Swervven Urban with 225, and a bunch of people tied with 75. So right now it’s Fang Girl, Justin, Carol, Swervven, Irvin. There is your top four. You can just click on top fans and you can see that leader board for yourself. Thanks for that reminder as well. So trying to figure out when I’m going to do what. If I do the sponsor read at the top though, then the sponsor knows. No, I’ll do it at the end. I’ll do it at the end. That’s fine. So, Gourd says, “If I come by the house, can I drop stuff off?” Sure. Depending on what I’m doing and where I am in the show, I might not be able to hang out or chat that much, though. But, uh, I’ll leave that to you if you’re indeed talking to me. That’s very nice of you, Gourd. Gourd is definitely not uh an AI bot. Yeah, that’s fine, Gourd. That’s fine. That’s very kind of you. I know you’re not asking to get on camera if it’s a dead hour or whatever, but there hardly any of those unless it’s 2 am or 3:00 a.m. Um, yeah, you’re welcome to come by and drop stuff off and just text me and and tell me it’s outside the door or whatever it is. All right, let’s get into this. So, 12 p.m. Welcome and rundown of guests. That’s exactly Oh, thank you, Gourd. Um, you can I have my slushie machine. I have Pepsis, 12 of them sitting in my bar fridge. I have bananas, fruit, um, a couple meals planned, and water. So, you are welcome to c you’re welcome to come come by. Um, would never say no, but I I have enough to get me going if it saves you a trip, Gordon. But thank you. That is very kind of you, but it’s up to you. So, we got Landon Ferraro of SportsNet. He will be be my first guest at 1:00 p.m. Excited to talk to him for sure. Um and then at 1. So then it’s funny the first 3 hours it’s a bit tricky the first I say from 1 to 4 because of Thanksgiving and stuff like that. I had um I basically had to fit four guests into three hours if that makes sense. So Landon then Dan Murphy which I’m very excited about. He’s been on the show a few times. Then Ian McIntyre who has also been on the show a few times. So that’s great. We got the the trifecta of Sportsnet guys at the start. I can’t wait to speak to all of them. Then we have Rick Dollywal which will be always interesting. You remember last year he didn’t know how to work Streamyard so I had to talk to him on the phone for 45 minutes. Well I told him to test it so hopefully that works. Then JPat who was actually on um in the morning day two last year he then it’s him then Kevin Woodley from NHL.com and Engle magazine the goalie guru and then Harman Dial a first time guest from the athletic and connects conversation that first that 1:00 to 6 7 o’clock you guys is absolutely stacked heard he was sick okay he missed the watch oh Gerald were you at the watch party Gerald were you at the watch party last night hopefully he can come on but I haven’t heard that he can’t. So we will see what happens. Then we have an open house. That’s the first openhouse I have. So anyone wants to join me, they can. And then that is part one. Then I have to I figured it out. YouTube allows you to archive streams up to 12 hours. Streamyard allows you to archive stream up to 10 hours. And because I wanted the the backup just in case, I decided to go with eight hour blocks. Actually, fewer than the 10 hours. So, I have three stream set up. Part one, which is the first eight hours. Part two, which is the middle eight hours. Part three, which is the last three hours. I could have gone just two parts of 12, if that makes sense. Part one and part two on YouTube. But then I wouldn’t be able to save it onto Streamyard, and I want to have that ability just in case. So that’s why we have three different links. So we are in obviously link number one and that is this first eight hours. Yes, Maxel, I I am I’ve actually played Hurdle and Pakdo on here, but uh yeah, no plans to do so for here. That’s right. My computer very good. My computer wanted to update last year, so I had to take a technical break. um an unscheduled technical break for an hour last year as my computer was upgrading. It was so silly. It was so silly. Then part two starts with Nick Pinkerton, Twisted Wister, and he’s going to help me preview the Pacific Division. He’s been on all four of my 24-hour live streams. You might say, “Go, Clay, this is only your third one.” I will explain what I mean by that. Then Alyssa Hood from Winnipeg will help me preview the central division, which is great. Then a Kucks content creator, a CCC roundtable, Dudo Hockey, Rev Trev, Nothing is Perfect, Russell, Tyler from the line change, and Jordan and Whitten from Kucks Uncensored. They are all going to join me this year, which I’m uh for an hour, which I’m super super excited about. Yes, I did have overheated uh issues last year, and that I was using my my uh PC. So, this one I’m using the Mac and hopefully it works. And then Patrick Johnson of the sports uh winds up the first uh day of this 24-hour live stream. Gerald, I was at the watch party with Alfred and his wife. Nice. Also went to good good and company match up meet up with Jordan and interview Captain Kirkland. Oh, that is awesome. Very very good. Very very good. Well, that’s right. They had were there two watch parties going on to yesterday? That’s pretty cool. Then Sean and Jake are taking at least one, if not two hours. We’ll see how that goes. That’s going to be madness. I can’t wait for that. That’s my chance to shower and have another snack if I need to, whatever I need to do. Open house 2. So, anyone who’s up here late with me, hey Jeremy, nice to see you. Open house 2 at 2 am. Then uh this three hours kind of going to be kind of informal, but I I I would love to do some Conucks point projections with all of you. Do I have my jersey and swag show until I have everything moved everything downstairs waiting in the next room and then I’m going to do something fun about we’re going to together as a community through the use of YouTube polls going to predict the entire um standings for for the league this year. So I’m I’m looking forward to that. Then it’s Shawn and Jacob. Shawn and Jacob will be coming in for or is it John or Shakeup? I see what you’re doing. Shakeup. Jimmu and Simu. Kim always been on lover joining me to preview the metro. Jeff Merrick, I’m very excited about our first time host. Uh first- time guest. Oh, by the way, um this will end part two and then at 5:00 am the No, sorry. 4:00 a.m. 1 2 3 4 5 6. Yeah, at 4:00 a.m. my uh part three starts. Jeff Merrick going to have him for 20 minutes today. It’s all he can give me tomorrow, but I will take it. I can’t wait to talk to Jeff. Then John Hottech Hockey will help me preview the Atlantic. My brother Jason is coming on and I love chatting hockey with him. Uh, I know a lot of you guys love hearing from him as well. Parker at 10. This is a game time decision though. I have a plan. If Parker can’t join me, it will either be Yeah, I have a plan. And then the last hour will be the wrap-up along with the big contest which I’m going to talk about next. Yes, I um I was aware Greta and then I was aware the other one put on by Karm and those guys at Good & Company. How were each of them? How were each of them? Let me know, Gerald. Which one is better? And my brother Jason was a last minute ad because Kim needed to be moved up, which is great. It filled up one of my my baron hours. And then um my brother, who I saw for Thanksgiving lunch yesterday said, “Sure.” Conucks metal collection. Nice, nice, nice, nice. Um from Canucks after dart to Canucks before lunch. I love it. I love it. All right, let’s talk about this ticket giveaway now. So, very important. Very important. Let me get this going here. I’m going to stop sharing for a second. Much like last year, I’m going to be giving away six or seven prizes in the final hour of my stream. Now, you do not have to be here to for that for that draw, although it’s always a lot of fun. So, it’ll be tomorrow morning between 11 and 12 will be the final hour, right, of this stream. Throughout this 24-hour live stream, I will be giving away five bonus words. So, anyone can enter this contest tomorrow morning. So, I’m going to open up the form between 10 and 30 10 and oh, loopy clay. And we’re only 30 minutes in. 10 and 10:30 tomorrow morning. I’m going to share this link, but it’s not open right now. So, 24hour live stream ticket giveaway. This form will be open from 10 to 10:30 a.m. Pacific time on Monday morning. So, tomorrow morning from 10:00 to 10:30, I will open up this form. You say, “Oh, Clay, that’s only half an hour. You’re going to need like two minutes to fill it out, but I’m giving you half an hour to do it.” So, that will be open tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. Now, when you go to it, it’s typical, you know, add your name, add your email, add add your YouTube name, all those things that uh phone number, blah blah blah. But then in there, you guys, you’re gonna have a chance to enter up to five bonus words that I’m going to talk about throughout the stream. Now, I’m obviously not going to tell you when I’m going to when I’m going to do it, but um yeah, that would be great if if you just be aware just be aware that throughout the 24 hours, I’m going to give up to five bonus words. I’m not going to tell you which hours they are, although I’m going to give you one right now. So, be ready. And because the form isn’t open yet, because the form isn’t open yet, what you will have to do is write all these down. Write all of these down. And then when the form opens tomorrow at 10 a.m., then simply type in those five bonus words. Okay? And then I’ll remind you at I’ll remind you that when you fill in the bonus word, it’s got to be in all caps. But don’t worry about that yet. I will talk about that when when I open up the form. So listen, live stream giveaway entry form open 10 a.m. to 10:30 a.m. on Monday. Listen for five bonus words throughout the stream at the top of certain hours and then winners will be drawn during the last hour of the stream. So I hope that all makes sense. So it’s up to you. I’m not I actually had it set up where I was going to do 24 bonus words or 22 one at the top of each hour, but that’s a lot. And then it’s really hard to handle actually on the back end. So, I’m going to go up to five bonus words. So, it’s up to you. You want to share them. I I don’t think it’s wise if you type it in the chat because then everyone’s going to have it and then it’ll lessen your chances of winning. What are you playing for? Well, I’m going to give away seven prizes in the last hour. a pair of tickets to a Conucks game, Vanbase, Amazon, CCC merch, Gassy Jack Art prints, and something from Mulligan Golf Company. So, six, and then a surprise prize as well. So, I’m giving away seven prizes in the last hour of my live stream. So, you certainly want to enter for sure. All right, so you ready for the first bonus word? Don’t type it in the chat, just write it down. Bonus word number one is Pepsi. Bonus word number one is Pepsi. Psi, Pepsi. Five letters. Don’t mess it up. Pepsi. you have a chance to enter that in when I open up the the form at 10:00 a.m. Okay. So, bonus word is Pepsi. All right. Let me go back and go through some of the comments that I missed. By the way, do you guys have any questions about the schedule or the the bonus word without giving it away? Harry, thank you very much. Let’s give Harry some love in the chat. Three, two, one. Harry with the $5 donation. Hi Clay, how are you? Could we see any lineup changes for the Canucks tomorrow? And will there be a tribute video for PSU returning? I don’t think you see Well, I think you see Lankin in a net. I think you don’t change the D because that hasn’t been the issue, right? One goal against Calgary, three against Edmonton, but one of them was an empty netter. Pel was good. Um, could you see Carlson come in for someone in the bottom six? Maybe, maybe. But, you know, I you know, I I don’t think you you panic because of one game. Uh, do they go back to Kane with Ken Leaki, move Bane back up? I know Kane started with Hedo and Garland and then he was kind of back and forth. We’ll see. But I don’t think it’s going to be major major changes except for Lanin coming in for Demco. Will we there be a tribute video for PSU? Yeah, I think it’s going to be 10 or 15 seconds. It’ll just be welcome back Pews. Uh, I think that’s what they will do, but we’ll see. I’ll be at the game and I can let you know for sure. So, let’s give some love to Harry in the chat. Thank you, Harry, for that $5 donation. Jog just started at midnight. Midnight at noon. So, you we’re only half an hour in. Greta was better. Sakuras was super nice. Hoping he’ll go on TLC soon. Hope you Oh, was that the line chain? Awesome. Quads killed me at air hockey. Good company. It was fun, man. Because Jordan was such a great company. Tyler Samuel. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. No, it’s not cheating. You do whatever you want. I won’t know. You do look really. Thank you, Burned Oils. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. You need the bonus word to be a sponsor. I don’t get it. What does that mean? Surprise, prize, prediction, dinner with Clay. You’ll You’ll have to see. Oh, Jeremy, great question. No, anyone can enter the draw and you get one entry, but each of the bonus words, you get up to five additional entries. So, someone can have a maximum of six entries. They truly are bonus words. So, you don’t need all five of them just to get one entry. No, everyone gets one entry as long as you fill out the form and then you get another five entries on top of that. Yeah, I did a word an hour on my 24-hour live stream, my first one, but I went away from that shots. Bottle flip with the bonus word. I did a bottle flip with the bonus word. Oh, I see what you’re saying on that. Don’t know. Clay, I’m a little worried about when you switch over. Don’t worry, Carol. I’m going to provide you with a link and all you got to do is press it and then you’ll go to the next show. Just like you found this one today, Carol, you’re going to find the next two as well. Oh, they did a Danti Dant a Dante Fabro tribute video and he was in the box. That’s funny. I do think the power play needs some help for sure. Hey, KQ. Yeah, no problem, Max. You’re you’re welcome to come on. I’m going to open it up to people and we’re just kind of see how many people we will get through. Okay, so really quickly, the genesis of this 24-hour live stream, u there lot of good content. By the way, after the game last night, I I don’t stream on Saturdays usually, but I think there are at least four or five postgame shows um going if I if I wasn’t mistaken, which is which is pretty exciting actually. Uh it gives all of you as Conucks fans a wonderful way to yeah to just have choice and to have variety and that’s that’s a pretty cool thing. Um, I don’t think any of them are doing a 24-hour live stream, too. It’s not I don’t say it’s my thing, it’s my shik, but it is one way that I can help get people excited about this upcoming connect season that has started off one and one. It’s not two and0, which would be now awesome, but thankfully it’s not 0 and2. We beat the team we were supposed to beat, and we lost a team that probably should have beat us given that they’re uh home and away as well. So, my first 24-hour live stream I did in October 2021, and that one was memorable because that’s how Carol found me. And now look at her. Legendary Carol Balander. I had Marie come in to do an hour of music which is a lot of fun. Tried to make that work for today but uh she’s out of town. She’s traveling. So won’t make that work. So that was October 2021. I didn’t Yes. And that was one where I also did bonus words one every hour. Then for October 2022 didn’t do anything in terms of long um you know extended stream. October 2023, I did a 12-hour stream because I wasn’t convinced I could handle a 24-hour stream. And that one I actually really focused on on Game Over because I was just starting my first year of Game Over Vancouver. So, you guys might remember um for seven of those 12 hours, it was hosts from the seven Canadian cities from Game Over and then I filled in the other hours with guys like Dan Murphy and previews. Yeah, that’s what that’s exactly what it was. It was it was basically the seven game over. it was Dan Murphy and then it was previews of the four divisions. Then last year, October 2024, I went back to my 24-hour live stream. So, it was my second one and it was a mix of media personalities and content creators and family. And then this therefore is my second consecutive my third ever 24-hour live stream, but my fourth extended live stream, if that makes sense. I’ve done, this is my third 24-hour one, and then I’ve done one 12-h hour one. So, the only year that I didn’t do one, I did 2021, didn’t do 2022, they have done 23, 24, 25. I’m not sure if it’s going to be uh an annual tradition, but this weekend worked out really well because the Canucks played last night and then they don’t play again until 4:30 on Monday. So, it’s a wonderful, wonderful opportunity for me to jump in from 12 to 12 Sunday and Monday, not missing any Conucks game or having to pause for a watch party or anything like that. Now, I get that is Thanksgiving, so maybe we lose some people to Thanksgiving dinners and stuff like that, but that’s kind of just uh what we’re going to have to do and we’ll be happy with the people that are here and we’ll make it work with the people that are here. So once again, I thank you for all of you that are that are here. Um, and whether you’re only here to pop in for an hour or so, or whether you’ll be here for all of the 24 hours or anywhere in between, I am very grateful to all of you. So, it’s already 12:43 and I want to um get a good 5 to 10 minute break in before the 1:00 starts. So, uh, I think RSA was bugging me last year. He says, “How can you call it a 24-hour live stream when you take breaks at the end of every hour?” And I said, “Well, you try and do this for 24 hours.” I think I got a little bit defensive. So, I will be taking a 5 to 10 minute break at the end of every hour, and that’s a chance for me to use a restroom, grab a quick snack, get a few steps in, set up for my next guest. So, um, that’s what I’m going to do. And then I think at the start at the top of every hour I’ll welcome everyone, remind people how to get involved and and then at the bottom and talk about the contest and then at the bottom of every hour I will do my sponsor read and set up the next hour. And there we go. There we go. So, for the last five or six minutes here for this hour, I would love to hear um yeah, I would love to hear your thoughts on last night’s game. And I just realized that I need to put one more banner up with the entire schedule. So, give me one second. Uh view complete schedule here. Sorry, guys. I’m just Trying to get a couple things ready so we can be ready for anything and everything that could happen over the next 24 hours. Okay, move this way up. All right, let’s do that. Very good. I want to see if that works. Yeah. Okay, good. Good. Good. Good. Thank you for your patience and yeah, let’s get going. Let’s get going with your thoughts. Five minutes on last night’s game. Lena Marie, I remember you from last year. Just caught up in the live watching from Berlin. Totally messed up the time difference. I thought it started 15 minutes. Love the guest and thanks for uploading the usual streams to Spotify. That is awesome. Thank you for being here, Lena Marie. I remember last year that you were here for for a lot of the live streams. So, thank you for watching from Berlin. That is awesome. Happy to have you. Did Gail make sure you have good food? Remember she made you plates of food? Yeah, she will. Um, yeah, we’ve kind of made a little of a meal plan. So, she will make sure that I’m I’m fed. Although, there’s going to be one point tonight where no one’s in the house, just me and Mickey. So, hopefully that goes okay. One down, 23 to go. Well, not down the first one yet, but we’ll see. It did go by fast. And that’s just me blabbing. Every other hour will go way faster. Last night’s game sucked because Demco carried the team as best he could, but giving a short-handed goal wasn’t great either. Yeah, Demco. Um, did we give up a shorty last night? I thought it was four and four. It wasn’t a short-handed goal, was it? Oh, it was empty net. Okay. It was empty net shortened goal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Demco was amazing. He looks great. That was a game that looked like a bubble Demco showcase all night. Demco was awesome last night. Prove the gap between our team and contenders. That’s true. They need to lock up in case the employee needs a washing break like Clay for the 24-hour. Uh what was Irvin talking about? I must have missed something, but I’ll let you guys keep talking about that. Demco was impressive with a save last night. Yeah, he was incredible and he looks good. Do you guys worry when Demco makes a crazy save that he’s going to get hurt or are you guys past that? Are you guys pretty When can we see Mickey? I will try and get him in here, but I I Yeah, at the tail end of one of my hours. I’m sure he’ll be scratching at the door soon. You But I just don’t know when it’s going to be. Disappointed with Vancouver’s effort. Couldn’t watch last night because it was streamed on Sky Only and I refused to pay 30 pounds a month for maybe eight. That’s fair. That’s fair. Do what? Yeah, you got your priorities straight, Larry. That’s good. That’s good. Myers got fined by department player. Yeah, 2500 for slashing McD. When was that? Cuz I I was at Thanksgiving dinner, so I didn’t watch every single minute of the game. What slash was it? When did it happen? Yeah, I’m going to try my best. For sure. For sure. Hockey for I I’ll get Mickey on it sometime. Demco still a huge worry. Canucks fans are always on edge. Both are true. The Wild Columbus game and Sharks Ducks game. So many goals and back and forth. Yeah, some highscoring games. One of them was 76. 76. Slashing right in the jewels. Yeah. When was that you guys? What period was the slash? I I know they had a couple runins, but what period was that slash in the jewels? Kane hit last night. Yeah, he he was definitely noticeable. Probably unpopular opinion says, “I don’t mind Canucks missing playoffs if they’re 40 and0 at home. Fans want to see them win get their money’s worth.” That’s fair. I hear what you’re saying. Slash was a sticklift into McDavid’s privates in the third period. Okay, that’s what I thought. Wow. Wow. Wow. Did he get a penalty for it or did he uh get by unscathed, which is which is pretty tricky of him if he did that? very tricky. It’s funny like I don’t think that um I don’t think Myers is a particularly dirty player, but he’s not afraid I will say to to uh to be Yeah. to play on the edge. That’s for sure. I had to yell at two players on the TV last night to control your stick. Who were those two players? Who was the object of your wrath fan girl? Let me know. I’m really curious. That’s funny. That’s funny. Had how you had to yell at them. No penalty. You got a penalty for delay of game. The bonus word coming that you did the bottle flip list should sponsor you again. Oh, I see. Miss seeing that ad with Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Myer’s a low-key villain. As that’s true. That’s true. That’s kind of what I was hinting at. Do you think EP40 could have played better last night? Yep. Uh I don’t think he was great. That’s for sure. I don’t think he was great. Sorry guys, I’m just fixing something on my computer. My was a cross check and flames player in the head a few nights ago. Chaos draft strikes again. It happened in front of Demco in the second period, but it wasn’t called. Wow. God apparently then almost accidentally hit the ref with a stick. Wow. Very, very eventful. The bonus word company should sponsor you again. I now I hear what you’re saying. Missing. Yeah, that was nice. That was nice. I But I’ll always have that in the back pocket. Slash loving. Okay, I’ll go look that up. The better Filipino looks, the worse EP40 looks. Yeah, but Hedo was not good. That turnover really, really stunk. Okay, I missed my chance for a 10-minute cut off. So, I’m going to do I’m going to do um wrap up this first hour now. And hey, Rick, I can see you. It works. That’s awesome. I will see you. See, this is how good Rick Dollywal is. He’s not on until 3:15, but he is testing. And I just saw So, Rick, you know you’re 3:15, right? We’re good. Okay. I can’t I can’t hear you though cuz I’m on Rick. I’m live so you can hear me. I can’t hear you. But the fact that I can see you then we’re good. You’re the best you guys. That’s why Rick Dollywal is the best. He’s not on until two more hours. But he just came back. He was backstage and it’s just so funny. I just saw him pop up because I gave him grief because of last year how I had Okay, I’m so excited now. I’m so excited that uh that Rick Dollywald learned how to work Streamyard. What inspired me to do another 24-hour live stream hockey from home is just a great way to um to get excited for this upcoming season. A great way to start uh to to start off. All right, so I’m going to wind down this first hour because I want to make sure that I hit my five minute countdown time and then hopefully Ricky’s still here because he loves that music. Um so this is what I’m going to do. I’m going to thank my primary sponsor, Jason Lim of Van City Experts. Thank you to my channel sponsor, Jason Lim of Van City Experts Real Estate. At Van City Experts, their experience, knowledge, and expertise can serve you well in navigating through the real estate market and will help you to choose the best home or condo in the greater Vancouver area that best suits your and your family’s needs. Also, shout out to my secondary sponsors, gassyjackart.com, maker of this amazing artwork that you see behind me. So, thank you to Gassy Jack Art. He will be donating prizes for the giveaway. Thanks to Mulligan Golf Company, MLGNolf.com, sorry, MLGNolf.com. Golf Apparel and accessories. They are donating something for the end of stream giveaway. Thanks to my secondary sponsor, Vestie Footwear. Use the link tinyurl.com/vestylay and receive a free pair of socks off your next purchase of Vestie shoes. And don’t forget, you can always purchase your Kucklay merch at connect.threadlist.com. We’re going to give away some CCC merch at the end of this stream as well. So, there is my midshow sponsor read. Um, I am excited to for the next little bit. Um, I’m going to go for one more minute here and then I will switch to our five minute countdown. So, reminder that you can subscribe, you can like the video, you can leave a donation, get to membership, buy your own membership, upgrade your membership or use your monthly membership message. And right now at top the leaderboard, which I will do at the end of every hour, it is Fang Girl, Just Incredible, Harry, Carol, and Irvin. That is your top five right now. Fang Girl, Justin, Harry, Carol, and Irvin. Love it. Love it. Love it. How’s everyone feeling? How’s everyone feeling? We good? We’re nearing the end of the first hour. Yeah, Dolly Well finally figured out Dollywall is a legend. Good job, Rick won’t be on speaker phone this year. Can’t believe Clay held the phone up to the mic for 45 minutes last year. Exactly. No, Clay holding the phone up to the microphone. Remember, you can re look at the complete schedule here. And I think this is where No, in one more minute. I I just want to time it perfectly. I put up the five minute countdown and then we get ready for Landon Ferrar which I’m very excited about. Actually that’s what I’ll put uh next guest here is Landon for all. Maybe I will put that on. You know what I’ll do? Let’s do this. Let’s make this one a scrolling one. So there. And then next guest is Landon Ferrar. There. That looks good. That looks good. All right, friends. Get ready. Ricky, if you’re still around, here we go. I will see you guys in five minutes. Hey. Hey. Hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, Heat. Heat. Heat. down. Hey. Hey. Hey. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. Hey, Kucks fans. Welcome to hour number two of my 24-hour live stream. Can you let me know in the chat if you can hear me now that I have these headphones on? I’m all worried that nothing is working, but can you guys hear me? Okay, let me know in the chat. Be uh would love to get your feedback. Okay, good. You can hear me. That is awesome. Welcome. Hour one is down. We have 23 hours to go. And yes, this is my uh 24-hour live stream. So happy that you guys are here with me. I’m glad you guys can hear me. Thank you for that. Here’s uh moderators. Do what you need to do to keep this a safe and respectful place. Members, legends, hall of fame, and franchise members, thanks for your support. And to everyone else, no matter where you’re watching from, whether my beautiful neighborhood of Steepston and Richmond in the city, lower mainland, province, country, continent, around the world, thank you for being here. You know that I know that you could be doing anything else, watching anywhere else. But the fact that you are here with me, know how much I always appreciate you and know how much I never ever take you for granted. So this is how you get involved. You can subscribe to the channel. You can get active in the chat section by doing that. You can like the video. You can Yeah, make sure you like the video if you haven’t liked the video yet. You can leave a donation. You can gift a membership. You can buy your own membership. You can upgrade your membership. You can use your monthly membership message. And if you’re listening on a podcast platform, make sure that you rate and review. Although, we’re not I I should stop saying that because I keep saying I’m not posting uh a 24-hour live stream on my on my podcast, but you’ll be able to see it here on on uh YouTube for sure. For sure. Also, a reminder of the contest that I’m running. I’m doing a giveaway at the end of the stream. The entry form will be open from 10:00 to 10:30 a.m. tomorrow. Um, so listen to five bonus words throughout the stream and that will give you up to up to five additional entries and then we’ll draw all the winners on at 11:00 a.m. So I’ll explain this in depth tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. when I when I open the form. But all you need to know is that um yeah, all you need to know is that you should write down these bonus words as you as you hear them and then the entry form will open up tomorrow at 10 a.m. All right, I’m just waiting for Landon to pop backstage. Hopefully, he’s still coming, but uh we’ll see. Otherwise, it’ll be a tough start to the show, but we we will certainly adjust and make it work. But yeah, just waiting. I know backstage works because I saw Rick back there. I saw Rick back there a few minutes to go. So, we’ll give Landon a couple minutes to get in here and then we will kind of go from there. How’s everyone feeling today? Let me know how you’re feeling in the chat. Let me know uh what your plans are for Thanksgiving Sunday. Let’s do that for a couple minutes and then and then we will um hopefully Landon will will join in the next couple minutes backstage. So, let me know. Give me your thoughts. Give me your plans for Thanksgiving weekend. And while we do that, if you’re doing a count, this is number one. Oh, great. I just spilled it all over my keyboard. But yes, let me know your plans for Thanksgiving weekend. What do we got? My plans. Working the Conucks game. Nice. I’ll be there tomorrow with Gail having my cup of co coffee. I’m having ham at a family member’s house tonight. Nice, nice, nice. No ice. What you mean with my Pepsi? Yeah, I’m okay. I’m feeling good. And Coach Rob ran the 8K this morning. That is very, very impressive. Having Tim Horton’s coffee. That is also impressive. We’re having our son and new wife over for Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow night. Nice. Oh, just so it doesn’t clash. Gourd, you are too good for us. For me, Coach Rob is coming over later. That is awesome. I’m just going to reach out to Landon to see if he’s still coming. I sure hope so. Uh maybe maybe he got tied up. You never know. You never know on Thanksgiving weekend. But uh let me see what he says. You still able to join me now? live stream sent you the link. All right, so we’re waiting for Landon. What else we got? What else we got? Take out Whites Spot Turkey. Nice family over for Turkey. Nice. Working Shawn Mendes tonight. Working my other job Monday as the big boss as the big boss. As my boss left for Japan to celebrate his son’s wedding, leaving me in charge. Well, good luck. That is awesome. Going to see the new Tron. Nice. Nice. Turkey nut. Hey, Russell. And gonna see you at 10 p.m. tonight. Maybe have Rick on first. Yeah, if he was backstage. No, I I it just so funny that I just see him pop pop backstage as we are as I’m getting ready. Russell was in here. Curious how you managed to get a Sunday off, Clay. My wife is in the church business and doesn’t get me. Yeah, you know, um for my actual work, don’t really have to quote work Sundays. It’s just a matter of deciding of where I attend because I don’t um I volunteer at my local church but I work for the arch dascese so I don’t actually quote have to work on Sundays if that makes sense. Jog is asking people do sports bets not me going to my sister’s place for turkey dinner tomorrow night and there’s going to be 17 people. That is massive. That is massive. Um Gerby says you’re nuts. I’m not talking I’m not sure if you’re talking about me or someone else in here. Mic isn’t popping. That’s good. That’s good. Well, you know, I didn’t change I tested a This is a micro USB and it I switched it to the current one is micro USB to USBA. Then I tried micro USB to USBC. Then my friend was saying though that because it’s a digital signal that that the cord probably doesn’t have anything to do with it. He said just to make sure it didn’t run interference. So I actually didn’t really change anything. I haven’t changed anything. But I’m very being very careful not to touch anything too. So So we’ll see. But I’m glad I’m glad that it’s not popping right now. Oh, I’m nuts. You want me doing uh the 24hour because I’m doing 24-hour live stream? No. Um maybe I am. Mic isn’t popping. Thought the mic isn’t pooping. I hope not. No, do not, Fango. Please. Thank you. Do not tweet at Landon because that that is not a good look if we are um I don’t want Yeah, it’s probably not the most polite thing if we’re we’re tweeting and messaging him saying where are you? Um yeah, because he’s doing it out of his own time. So, don’t uh thank you for the offer, but definitely do not contact him. I’ve tried to contact him in a couple ways. Hopefully, he is still available to come. But yeah, we’ll we’ll give him a couple minutes. We We have some time here. We have some time. Although, I might just reach out to him one more time. See, I don’t have his phone number, which is fine. I have his email and his Instagram, although now that I think about it. Oh, yeah. Hold on. We’ll see. I’m uh I’m confident. I’m hopeful. But I am going to email him one more time. All right. What else you got for What else do we have? Lefty all around. I think we’re best 14th or 15th. Yeah, that sounds about right in the middle for sure. Not fair to the fast typers. Well, the slow mode is just someone so someone doesn’t uh just complete spam. But I think that members are exempt from that uh that slow mode if I’m not mistaken. No, Harry. Uh some of the most of the new seats have cup holders, but I know in the upper bowl um some of them don’t because there’s like a rod almost like um a securing rod. I will see for sure tomorrow, but I think that’s every third or fourth seat does actually not have one because there is a a rod that kind of secures the seats to the ground. But it was that that’s a horrible explanation, but I’ve seen pictures that probably doesn’t do it justice. But if someone was at the game and was an upper bowl, um let me know. Um let me know if that’s what you noticed on um at the game on Saturday night. If he’s late, have him side by side with another guest. Yeah, for sure. Um we can make it work. I just don’t like to impede on another guest time as well. But yeah, we can make it work CNN style. All right, Landon, are you ready to go? Oh, no, no problem. Oh, sorry, Landon. I can’t hear you. So, I’m live. Landon is backstage. Give me a thumbs up. You’re ready to go and I’ll bring you on. Awesome. So, this is perfect. My first guest did not ditch me. I’m so happy that he’s here. Let’s bring on from Sportsnet, Landon Ferraro. Hey, Landon. Hey. Sorry about that. We had some family show up and I started talking and then I just saw your message like, “Oh no, I missed it.” Even though I I was a week early the first time. Yes, I will. Yeah. No, in all we we finally uh Yes. Well, um in the spirit of complete transparency, I asked London. Landon was one of the very first person I asked. I asked him a month ago and then two weeks ago when I was in was out in Europe, he said, “Hey, um are we on for tomorrow?” And I said, “Actually, it’s it’s not till Thanksgiving weekend.” So, he was early. We’re going to excuse you for 3 minutes late. We’re good. Welcome, brother. Thank you. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you. You as well. Thank you. And thanks for agreeing to do this. So, um this is my third ever 24-hour live stream. It’s just a way to get excited about uh about the Conucks season, and we can talk about that in a second, but I would love for anyone who doesn’t know you or your journey. Really quickly, you just talk a bit about your pro career and what you’re doing now in terms of the Vancouver Conucks. That would be awesome. Yeah, I uh you know, I moved back to Vancouver in two uh 2002 when my dad retired and got a taste of Canadian hockey. I was playing minor hockey in Atlanta, Georgia before that. It was a little bit of a culture shock when I got up here and um but it was a ton of fun. I played at Bernie Winter Club and then I went on to the Western League for four years in Red Deer in Everett and then uh ended up playing 12 years pro. Um in North America and my last four in Germany and uh yeah was lucky enough to get to do a bunch of cool things and you know got to play in the Olympics and and all of that and now I’m I’m enjoying myself on the other side not getting hit anymore just just talking’s a lot a lot better. Uh so yeah, I’m enjoying I did uh the radio call last night with the Bachelor and do the intermission panel stuff as well. That is awesome. And yeah, speaking well, you might get hit by one of your co-hosts, but hopefully uh I can I can handle that one a little better. So just looking up and um you were drafted by Detroit, right? Yep. Yeah. And then a few seasons there and then one big season in Boston, it looks like. Yeah, that was that was my only full year up and you it was it was a lot of fun. I made Detroit out of training camp and then uh I actually tore my MCL in the Hall of Fame game Detroit verse Toronto. Uh that was the first game that uh my dad had actually was between the benches and I hurt I think I got hurt second shift. We were so excited he was there that all of a sudden I didn’t last very long and once I got healthy I got put on waiverss and ended up in Boston and yeah really enjoyed the year. It was it was cool getting to play with you know Charara and Berseron and Marshand and all those guys. Wow. Well, I appreciate you sharing that. You know I I don’t know a lot of pro players but uh I’ve never talked to you in person so I’m so glad for this. my my cousin Dusty Dusty Emmo. He was the former uh you know um goalie coach in in LA and Winnipeg. And then um here from Richmond um I know Raymond Zoat’s family so I knew a little bit his his journey up and down before he passed away a couple years ago. But yeah, just hearing his stories about the miners and waiverss and it’s uh yeah, but full credit to you for for the grind, man. It’s it’s so I I I it goes without saying I guess you appreciate what all these players go through just the ones that even get a a small look in the show. It’s it’s tough to get there, right? Like but the you know the cliche is it’s you know it’s tough to get there but it’s it’s even harder to stay to be able to be at that level and and consistently you know kind of bring it every night and and not have the injuries is is a big thing. So and a lot of it too is is timing, right? like you know for the for the bubble guys that are between the American League and and NHL like it it takes a lot of timing and and you know things to go your way. Um you know like I always bring up that one of my best friends is Craig Cunningham and he was in Boston uh the year before I played there. Me and him were you know pretty similar players and they had no room for him. He ended up on waiverss and down to Arizona and then the next year uh Chris Kelly broke his femur and pasternnack was his rookie year and he had a high ankle sprain early. So that’s how I ended up there. Like it’s it’s a lot of timing and and you know good luck for you with with bad luck for someone else. Yeah. No, that’s a really really good point. Next man up for sure. So land if it works I’d love to keep you until 135ish or so. about 20 25 minutes if that works and then last five minutes maybe we’ll take a couple questions from the audience we have uh over 200 people in here which is pretty cool just kind of hanging out with with me for the weekend so one thing before we get into what you see of the Conucks already just two games in right now you have your podcast with John Shannon right the 100% which is awesome 100% connects yeah that no that’s really good you um I know a lot of people really love listening and watching that you also are doing um all is it all radio games and then some TV or how does that Uh I do the majority basically all the home uh intermission panels uh minus hockey night. So like not the Saturday games and not the Monday because that’s Amazon now, right? So any non Sunday Saturday or Monday home game? Yeah. And then so I do all the Saturday uh radio color jobs because uh Rand Deep does hockey night uh in Pujabi. So he hosts that and and I get to fill in for him. So had my first game last night again and it was awesome. I I really enjoy doing that. Like I I like the panel. It’s a lot of fun and and all of it, but the games like doing the games are the best. Yeah. Yeah. As a former player, a former pro player, like a lot of the best colormen I I’m I’m sure you’d be a good player, but maybe you wouldn’t be a good player by play. I don’t know. But as Oh, terrible. It’s honestly watching those guys do it like not a chance. But no, obviously as a former player, you can add a lot. Uh on the TV side, is that something? Was that hard for you to get used to or were you like good-looking guy like one from one good-looking guy to another? Um how does it feel out there? Do you feel pretty calm or is it still a little bit nerve-wracking in in front of the bright lights? Uh I wouldn’t say it’s nerve-wracking, but you definitely get butterflies a little bit, right? like you want to make sure you’re doing a good job. But, um, you know, I got decently comfortable last year. I I still got, you know, a long way to go. I think I can get a lot better, a lot cleaner. Um, just getting my opinions out because you only have, you know, roughly four minutes. Yeah. After it goes to Toronto for the first segment, then it comes to us. like you sit around for a whole period and then you got to get everything out in four minutes and not not over not overshare and have it your ideas just kind of keep going. You got to be clean and get in and out and still trying to improve that. But uh yeah, when the lights go on, you know, I I say this like and I didn’t realize that I’d have this feeling, but like I miss from playing having that thought go in my head of like, okay, I got to perform or I’m going to hear about it right away, like that accountability and kind of having that feeling and when the lights are just get turned on and that red light is about to go on, you’re like, “Okay, a lot of people are going to see this. I got to be honest, like I get that kind of same feeling. It’s uh I wasn’t expecting it, but I do enjoy it. Yeah. And it’s a bit of a dance. Murf is trying his best to facilitate. It’s you and someone else. So yeah, you get four minutes, but really you get half that time and you got to make sure you’re not talking over that. I I get it and I appreciate it. And I think you’re doing a really good job. And same thing with the with the the podcast. You and John seem to have some really good chemistry there, too. Yeah. I mean, it it helps with the podcast. you know, we we’ve been very lucky to get the guests that we have and and it’s one thing to to get good guests, but it’s another to have them be as open as they have been. Um, you know, and really giving thoughtful and and good answers, not just kind of the the cliches back, you know, that you that you hear all the time. So, it’s been a lot of fun and it’s, you know, you learn some pretty cool things as you listen to guys like, um, you know, we had Ty Mueller on, uh, two episodes ago and like he said something that stuck with me that, you know, I I don’t I hadn’t really heard before. Um, John asked him about like, “Do you have expectations for this year?” And right away he said, he’s like, “I don’t have expectations. I have goals.” Huh. And then he elaborated and said that I don’t expect anything like I have to earn everything and so I have my goals and if I if I continue to work towards those goals the outcome will be there. And just breaking it up like that and just kind of shifting that conversation in in his head of not expecting but working for it. Um and just continuing on. I I thought that was awesome. So you you get some some good lines or or good thoughts that you know I’ve been around the game for a long time and you still hear things once in a while of like oh I I never thought about it that way like that’s really interesting. So it’s it’s been fun. Awesome. So you’ve seen this team now obviously for the past couple years and and now the past couple games they probably won the game that they should have. They probably lost the game that they they probably should have. Um, does anything stand out to you that’s either uh surprising, not surprising? Just what are your thoughts? I know it’s early, but it still counts. Uh, what are your thoughts after the first two games? Well, I mean, it’s two different ones definitely between the two games, right? Like, the first one in Calgary, it took him a little bit to get going. Calgary had already played one game and and it’s amazing how one regular season game does make a difference. like you get those cobwebs out a little bit and and you get the excitement of the new season to kind of subside and then you can just go play and and that’s what it looked like for the first period or so of the of the game against Calgary. But then they got moving and you know I was I’d say through training camp and the preeason I was really kind of blown away with how much more aggressive they were trying to be and really getting the defenseman up in the rush and and joining things trying to be a bit more potent off the rush. And um you know, everyone talks about where are the goals going to come from and you look at that first night and like it was really speckled through the entire lineup of forwards of of guys getting points. I believe it was just uh Coots and Ratu were the only two out of the 12 forwards not to have a point. So, you know, having the young guys come in and playing, you know, been big roles. But um you know Bane’s having to be on the penalty kill. They had I think just over three minutes of ice time on the PK last night in Edmonton and and did another really good job. Um, it’s fun to see those guys after calling the games in Abbottzford last year through the playoff run to see them take that next step and you know I remember you know I won a Calder Cup when I was in Grand Rapids and and got my first call up that following year and like just the confidence that winning a championship does for you and you learned so much about yourself. So to see those guys, you know, have be at the high of winning and getting a good summer train and then coming into camp and and ready to steal jobs, it was it’s been good to watch. Well, that’s really interesting about the Grand Rap. Did anyone else come up with you that year, Landon, uh from Grand Rapids? Oh, there was quite a few guys that uh you know, like Riley Shane, Thomas Dar, Gustaf Nyquist, Brandon Smith, um Danny Daiser played in the finals with us. Uh Peter Morazzic went full-time in Detroit the next year. Like we we had a we had a really good team. It uh yeah, we already had a really good chance to win and then Detroit lost out uh in the second round I believe that year and so we were in our conference finals already and we got Nyquis Tatar Yokam Anderson and Danny Daiser back down and it it it was a little bit different once they got there. Did the other team claim that you guys were cheating or something or what? No. Well, I mean, if you look at it though, it’s funny like we get to the final and we play against Syracuse. That’s Tampa Bay’s team. Yeah, that was Cucharov, Tyler Johnson, Andre Palot, uh, uh, Suster, uh, Radcoas, like they had some really good guys as well. And they had gone the first three rounds without losing a game. We beat them in game one. That was the first time they lost in playoffs. Like that’s how good that team was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it it was it was fun. Oh, that’s very very cool. Uh I love uh something you said um and you being around the team and played hockey. Can you explain a bit more like we always hear, oh, Adam Foot’s going to be a little more aggressive than Rick Tocket or the the defenseman gonna join the rush? Like I from uh just observers, I saw that a little bit on TV and I was at the game on Thursday night. So you can see that one defenseman kind of pinches a little bit, but that means one of the forwards got to be aware just in case puck slips through. But can you just explain to to the viewers here just what a difference that could make if you do have mobile defenseman who can move? Oh, I mean it adds so much to your to your attack, right? Like all of a sudden if you don’t just go with the three forwards all the time, like you bring that defenseman into the rush, having that fourth guy as the trailer coming in, it makes it really hard if they don’t have good back pressure. Like that was the tough part about last night in Edmonton. Yeah, Edmonton was skating really, really well and they back pressured so hard. So what that means is, you know, as those back checkers are coming, the def their defenseman can see that they have the support. So now they can be a lot more aggressive themselves and keep that gap really tight and now like it’s tough to enter the zone with any type of possession because they’re just right up on top of you. But if that fourth guy like that defenseman can get up into the rush and get between that all of a sudden like there’s just too many guys to cover. You have the one guy drive the net while there’s the one defenseman that’s got to go with him and now you’re basically playing a threeon one against that farside defenseman. one of those two guys are going to be open. And if they somehow get them covered, well, the guy with the puck, then that means that he can keep walking in. And such an important part of that is, you know, you brought it up as you’re asking about, you know, you got to make sure you have a forward that’s going to be able to cover. And, you know, Detroit was really big on the four guys joining. Like, they had such good skaters that that was part of their game plan all the time. And the way it was described to me was the shooter always covers everyone. Like he’s the one in charge, right? He makes the decision with the puck. So if he’s shooting or makes that play, like you’re instantly kind of cutting behind and now you’re over top of everyone. You have everything in the play in front of you and you’re the safety net along with the other D. Right. Right. No, that that makes a lot of sense. And then do you think um actually I’ll say this. So, I’ve been saying throughout the the offseason, Landon, I’ve been saying for everyone worried that the Cucks don’t have enough offensive firepower, let’s take last night’s game out of it. U that that was a tough one. I kept saying that because our goalender and defense is so much better than last season, especially the way we started, that naturally you won’t be in your own end as much. Naturally, you’ll have more chances for offense. But is that, you can tell me, uh I’m a humble guy. Is that oversimplifying the way to look at it or is there something to that that because we’re better back end we should have more chances or do you think this team is going to struggle to score like last night? I think it’s going to have moments where they struggle to score. Like they do have a decent amount of younger guys that are, you know, first time playing bigger roles, but at the same time, as they get more comfortable, they’re going to start making more plays and no, like I do agree with you having I mean the performance Demco had last night and you know, Lankin will be in on Monday. Yeah. Um who clearly played very well last year. It started to slip a little bit towards the end, but I mean that was 25 more games than he’s ever played in his career, right? So like it’s a lot and it adds up. And so now you have the the one two tandem of Demco and Lankin, the D are very mobile and can help out that way. Yeah. The less you’re in your own end. Yeah. You’re playing more in the offensive zone. You’re gonna have more opportunities just from possession in in the zone. But I also think like a guy I’m a big Archie Baines fan watching him as a playmaker in the American League, he can once he starts to gain a little more confidence, like he’ll start making more plays. I I really do think so. And I think that’s going to be a really big piece for them as a secondary scoring guy. like he’s not the most pure goal scorer, but his vision on the ice and his hands in tight. The amount of back door plays that he made to Carlson through that playoff run last year was quite impressive. Right. And Carlson, as long as he got it somewhere near the middle of his blade, he had an empty net to put it in. It was it was great. Um, you know, so I think that they’ll have spurts because of some guys getting bigger roles. They’ll have sp uh spurts of higher offense and somewhere they’re going to have to lean into their defense a little bit more. Sure. Sure. And one more hockey related question then we we’ll go to the people. Um I would love your opinion. You mentioned Arshite Baines and all the like little things he does well and that he’s got so much potential. Is he playing right? I know they switched it last night, but did he start with Hedo and Garland because they see that in him? Andor did they want Kane with the two younger guys more of a veteran presence with Kuden Hermaki? Maybe both can be true. Who do you think actually ends up playing with Hedo and Garland on that second line? I I think it is both is true there. Um he’s also like he’s a very good skater and the thought of him buzzing around with a truck or puck transporter like Heedle and then you know Garland with his tight turns in the offensive zone is a his escapability. It does make a lot of sense. But I do agree with you got two young kids on the third line and you need someone not only not to protect them. they can handle themselves in a lot of ways, but at the same time making sure no one takes extra shots at them. Like Evander Kane, I mean, you saw it last night. He was he was much better last night than in game one. His feet were moving a little bit more. Um, but he delivered that massive hit. Like he keeps guys honest out there. Um, I do I think I eventually here I think that I think it’ll be De Bruss, but De Brusk will move down Toahel’s line. He’ll get a bit more speed up on that top line with Person and Besser. Um, and kind of share the wealth a little bit that way. So, I mean, I could see Bane still kind of kicking in that second lineish role, but he’s someone that, you know, as a young guy, you’re your whole goal is finding ice time, right? Yeah. And that obviously comes from from good play and gaining trust from your coach and the work that he’s done on the PK is something that separates him from some other players, right? Like just again like just over three minutes last night. I believe I read there wasn’t he didn’t he wasn’t out there for one shot against on the PK. Um you know they only gave up one one scoring chance and it didn’t get to the net either. Like again to me he skates extremely well. He has a high IQ and that’s what the PK is. You got to be able to to get around the ice. You got to be able to stand over a puck. But the most important thing is you got to be able to think the game at a high level because things do break down and you got to get you got to know what the next play is. You got to know where your positioning is to be able to hop down and help or or break up that seam pass. So yeah, I for me I I think he again like I think he’s got more upside to him than than people give him credit for. And you know maybe I’m a little biased. I you know I’ve known him a little bit but at the same time like I do truly believe that he can take a little bit of a step here for sure. Awesome. Love it. Love it. Let’s go for five more minutes with uh questions from the people. Nothing is perfect. Russell a great content creator says do do you um first person do you Landon have a favorite moment as a player? Oh. Um, I mean, one of the cooler ones for sure was, uh, playing for Boston in Montreal and I ended up scoring the game winner, uh, kind of midway through the third. Uh, to do that in that building with those two teams, I don’t, it was, it was a really cool moment, but also um, I mean, it’s hard to narrow it to one. Like a couple come to mind right away. Like the second time I played in Vancouver, I ended up having one and one and was the first star. Getting to do that at home in front of a ton of family and friends was I mean it’s stuff you dream about, right? Like always, you know, your homecoming game and you actually play. Well, the funny part is though is that that was with Boston. I played in Vancouver with Detroit. I think it was like three weeks before and I played about two and a half minutes. Like the only time my family saw me was at the TV timeout and I was doing little circles just trying to get my feet to stop falling asleep. That’s amazing. Who’s your coach? Uh Jeff Blasual. Okay. Yeah, the coach in Chicago now. Oh, that’s awesome. Uh Swervven Irvin says, “Would love to hear about your Olympic experience and what uh might go through the athletes minds at the upcoming games.” So yeah, two-part question. What was your experience like? and uh yeah, a a peak into an athletes mind, an NHL player’s mind for this year. Well, I mean, I’ll say the feeling of making the team is what the guys will feel this year making it. Like, it’s something that I don’t know, just the pride to go through you. Um, you know, it’ been a long time since I got to wear the Maple Leaf and, you know, play for your country. I you know I’ve said this before I as call it being a young naive kid like I knew I was going to play games in the NHL all the way from as a little kid it was just in my head like that’s going to happen but even that naive kid knew you’re probably not making an Olympic team like Canada’s got a lot of really good players and when the NHL had to pull out of the last Olympics again and there was an opportunity I was having a good year in Germany and um you know so it kind of came out of nowhere. It was one of the coolest you know most proud feelings that I’ve ever had playing the game. Um now on the experience side the guys going to to Italy will have quite a bit better of a time than we did. Uh ours was ours was co time in Beijing. They had that place locked down pretty good. So yeah, you know, like one of the things that you always hear about the coolest part is just going to like the food court because it’s athletes from all over the world. You sit with different people. You get to meet and and talk and all this. We had dividers up and everything was distanced and so I mean it was still really cool like you’re sitting there and all of a sudden the Netherlands speed skating team goes walking by you or you know you get to know some of the other Canadian athletes. we’re all in one big building uh high-rise and you know meeting some of the figure skaters and as they start competing and you know they win their medals and they’re walking around with them like just that kind of national pride that you don’t get anywhere else but at the Olympics you’re all there as one big group competing in different events but you’re there to support each other and those guys are going to have a have an absolute blast going there and having that experience for sure and excuse ignorance. How did you do you guys do? Lost in the quarterfinals to uh Sweden. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, tough one. Uh we we had a really good team and yeah, it was 000 kind of midway I want to say midway through the third. Um, and there was just a little little turnover and they came back, took a shot from the outside that one of our D ended up getting a stick on and it went from going high glove to high blocker and uh, Tomkins wasn’t able to make the save on the crazy redirect and and that’s how our our dreams died. Wow. Well, thank I appreciate you sharing that. All right, two more uh, to wind up from the line change. Another content creator. What’s it like working with John Shannon? Before you answer, I I will say this, Landon, just my own. Um, compared to some of the younger guys like you and you guys, you know, all the ones in the in the Vancouver media, I I I didn’t know sh I respected that he he had so much experience and stuff, but he he kind of was like an outlier amongst all these younger sort of relatively reporters. But the more I watch him and the more I listen to you guys, I like him so much. He’s so like humble. He’s self-deprecating, but not in a like insulting way, like in a fun way. And he he really knows his stuff. So maybe add on to that. What what’s it like working with them? I mean it’s been great, right? Like I last year was my first full year in media and as much as I think that you know I have improved, you know, I take a lot of pride in my work and and really want to get as good as I can at this. John has been in the game longer than I’ve been alive and he’s he’s done a lot, right? like he produced hockey night for many number of years and has been involved in so many different aspects of the game. He’s got a wealth of knowledge. He’s definitely up to date with what’s going on. Um you can tell how much he cares even being in the game for this long. like he takes a lot of pride in his work and he’s been very helpful to me, but at the same time he’s he’s not afraid to speak his mind and say, “We can be better at this or Landon, you got to work at that.” And and I I love it, right? Like it’s it’s just like having a good coach. You if you have respect for the person that’s, you know, kind of leading the way and and you listen and you follow, there’s endless amounts of lessons you can learn. So, I mean, he’s been great for me and like I said, I’ve had a ton of fun doing the podcast so far. I’m really happy that we got it going this past summer. Awesome. And lastly, Shannon says, and I know we could probably do a whole uh half an hour chat on this one topic by itself, but maybe uh one insight into what it’s like being in a hockey family. Uh what’s one way to say it? uh you not only just being in a hockey family, but a hockey family that can talk. It was it was a household you had to find your way to to kind of bully your way into a conversation because I mean my dad wasn’t going to stop talking. My older brother can debate anyone about anything. Um, you know, and now, you know, I’ve got a a son that’s turning two and two Christmas Eve this year, and you know, he wakes up and he yells for two things when he wakes up from his nap or in the morning. The first one’s always snack. That kid’s hungry all the time. But the generally the second thing he just starts yelling hockey. So, I mean, it’s just something that’s in us. We, you know, we we love watching it. We love discussing it. Yeah. um seeing you know it’s just kind of like when I played I I talked to my dad after every game when I played and now it’s not every game but for the most part you know you’re you’re talking about different plays that happened how he saw it how I saw it we were different players he sees a lot on the power play that that I don’t see I see way more on the PK that he’s got no idea about because he wasn’t blocking a shot he was I mean it was he had the better way he he put the puck in the that he wasn’t trying to get in the way of it. So, yes. Yes. Uh, but no, it’s it’s a lot of fun and and something that we all, you know, obviously care a lot a lot about. And so, when you get to discuss something that you all have a common interest in, it it definitely makes for some good conversation. Oh, that what a perfect story to end on. That is that is hilarious. Well, please say hi to your dad for me. And thank you, Landon, for getting uh getting going. This is hour number two of 24 for me. So, uh this is a wonderful way. Yeah. Thanks. I don’t know. I don’t know how you do it. That’s impressive. No, this this 51y old body. I don’t know why. And I’m going to So, when I’m done tomorrow at noon, I’ll take a quick three-hour nap. Then my wife and I are going to the the Blues game tomorrow. So, I’m excited. Well, we’ll see if I hopefully it’s not a snoozer, so I can literally uh be awake. But thank you. I really appreciate your time. Snoozing regardless, so who knows? Good luck. No, that’s true. And hopefully we can do this again sometime with with more time. But I’m very grateful for your Yes. And uh and thanks for putting out the family for me for half an hour. I appreciate it. Ah, it’s all right. It gets me out of the out of all the talking for a couple minutes. This is this is a lot less uh volume than we have going on outside right now. Love it. Love it. Well, good luck and happy Thanksgiving. We’ll talk soon. Yeah. Have a good one. Thanks. Okay. Thanks, Landon. Take care. That is Landon Ferraro of SportsNet. He is so good. Um, and you know what? I don’t think I’m going to go to a fiveminute break. We’re just going to keep going all the way. Dan Murphy is going to be next. But yeah, I would love to hear your thoughts on Lannon Ferraro. Just um I I was it’s the first time I’ve actually ever talked to him. We’ve just messaged each other. I’m glad I was able to find him. Yeah. And and be persistent. And he was great. He’s great. He’s very um he knows his stuff obviously. And and um I think he’s a huge asset to this Vancouver market. But let me know let me know what you guys think. So we got Tyler says, “Landon is a gem.” I agree. I agree with that. Love the answers. Landon, I’d love to meet you. Oh, sorry, Shannon. That was for him, not for me. Landon is a gem. He is good. Sportset has a gem there. Yes, I agree. Is he relate to Mario Ferraro? Well, he’s Ray Fel’s son. I don’t even know who Mario Ferrell is. Excellent family question, Shannon, and a great answer. I agree. Yeah, that was a really funny answer, especially about uh Ray not blocking any shots. That was awesome. Lana has a lot of knowledge. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Sorry, Urban. um that would have been good, but uh I also have to spread the love, right? I I try and uh um one question per person if that makes sense. And and I’m I think people understand I can’t get to everyone’s question for sure. Great insight, solid communicator. I agree. I agree. No, it was a wonderful start. You know, uh there’s not going to be a sponsor read at the top of the hour because we’re going to go straight through to um Ian after Dan. So, I’m going to do that right now. Let me do my mid show sponsor read. I got to stop saying it’s not mid show. Mid show would be 12 hours in. Let’s do my sponsor read. And I always start off by thanking my primary sponsor, Jason Liman City Experts. Thank you to my channel sponsor, Jason Lim Van City Experts Real Estate. 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Yes, Landon Ferrero does uh radio as he mentioned and does some TV as well. Go back and watch the first hour. No problem, Tyler. Two hours in. That’s true. It is. It’s not the start, it’s not the end. Oh, you found your answer. They are not related. Okay, that’s good to know. Yeah, I didn’t think so. I didn’t think so. That was funny, though, when he was telling the story about uh not only Ry, but his um his his two-year-old son as well. Oh, I see a good-looking guy backstage. And I also see he’s in a place that I like to vlog from. Dan, are you ready to go? All right, so without further ado from Sportsnet, our friend Mr. Dan Murphy. Hey, Dan. How are you? I’m good. I love I love the car look today. Yeah. Well, you know, I I got here I’m gonna try to go to the gym, so I thought I’d get here for a little early and do this and then hop right in, you know, time on Thanksgiving. Well, I appreciate you and if if if you’re good for half an hour, that would be perfect. If we can go to about 2:15 or so, if that’s okayish. Yeah, I don’t know if I don’t know if I’ll bore you before that, but let’s give it a whirl. So, yesterday, uh, first, um, I think everyone here knows who you are, but for maybe the one person who doesn’t, can you just introduce yourself really quickly and how you’re involved, what you’re involved with the team in terms of broadcasting right now? Okay. Um well uh I am I guess I’d be called the host um slashrecorder for the Canucks uh is Sportsnet in Vancouver. Um yeah, my my main job is to host the broadcast. So if there’s 82 regular season games I’ll probably end up hosting probably 74 or 75 of them. There are some national games I don’t do. Scott Oak or Kicoscus for Toronto and stuff. So there’s a few in prime games this year as well. So uh there’s there’s some that I don’t do. And then on the off days when there’s not games, um I report for Sportsnet. Uh I’ve been doing it for a long time. My um my first year is in this capacity was 0102. So I guess this would be year 24. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Managed to, you know, avoid all the bullets so far. Um I did the Grizzlies the year before that and then prior to that I was just a reporter. So, I was hired in 1999 by Sportsnet as a reporter and then a year later did the Grizzlies. Year later got moved to the Conucks and I’ve uh stuck there ever since. So, that’s kind of been my, you know, 90% of my job with Sportsnet um with Canucks related, but there is the odd thing I I do here and there, but for the most part, it’s all-encompassing with the Conucks. I love it. I’m going to save viewer questions for the last five minutes of our half an hour, but already Murf ages like fine wine. Can you tell me where the fountain of youth is for the rest of us? You look good, man. You look good. Well, I appreciate it. You know, sometimes uh sometimes you get lucky. And uh you know that that uh that bar soap in the hotel seems to work out fine. The skin care and the the joke about the car vlog, I’m not sure if you knew this. I started off my channel by doing all my vlogs from the car. I would before I got to the arch diocese, I would just pull over in a little side street and talk about what I thought about last night’s game. And that’s how I got started. Uh not much better, but at least I’m I have a house and a studio to do it in now. So that’s good. That’s it’s just crazy how far that um you know content has come because when I first started I remember covering the uh 2002 Stanley Cup finals. That was Carolina Detroit. Detroit won. That was the year that the that Detroit beat Vancouver in six games in the first round. Remember they jumped out to a two-game lead and Yeah. Anyway, but we would go live from Joe Lewis back then and it’ be myself, Mike Bradley, who’s still the camera, but you would need a full satellite truck to um to put your uh content out there. And now, look, we just do it on our phones and our cars and such and it’s so much has changed. No, absolutely. And speaking of content, I just had Ray Landon Ferraro on for the first time actually ever met him and he was great and he was talking about uh the panel the you know differences between TV and and of course radio where where he does as well. So um for you uh I I will I don’t have to suck up because you’re already here with me. It’s not like you’re going to hang up on me. But no, I love the way you facilitate like I I’m really curious. Take me behind the curtain. Uh you have four minutes there. You have two guests. you probably got someone talking in your ear. You have to look at the camera, look at them, blah blah blah. Like, is is that still easy for you or does does that ever cause you nerve um nerves or is it pretty much old hat for you by now? Um, so you after I talked about how easy it is to get content now from the car, you’re kind of breaking up on me, but I see you’re back there now. Uh, so I think the question was, is it old hat the intermissions? Yeah, just the panel just I I know you got a lot going on. You got someone talking in your ear. You’re m navigating two guests. You are, you know, making sure you’re on time. Yeah. Is it is that old hat for you or is it still kind of a challenge for you? Um, I think it’s kind of old hat, but you know, you want to I think you still want to entertain and inform. So, you’re always trying to find ways to do that. Um, you know, and sometimes if you talk to Landon, it’s a scramble. you know, you have your um you have your ideas of what you want to do, your topics you want you want to cover. You sent in your graphics, you’ve got visuals pulled, and the next thing you know, the score is four nothing for the visitors and everything is off the table. So then you’re scrambling during the period uh to figure out whether it was with Landon or SAD or now Tyson, you know, what what direction do we go? And so while you’re figuring that out, you’re also uh dealing with the tape person in the truck because they’re actually doing the game uh but also needing to cut new um it can be a little chaotic, but that’s the fun part, right? It’s live TV. That’s what you’re there to do uh to try to to put together. Looks like we’ve lost Dan. So maybe he will uh come back in. Hopefully he can just click on the link again and we will see what happens. Um but yeah, no problem. I I appreciate him coming from in his car and that’s the challenge. So what I’ll do is maybe as soon as I see him backstage, I will bring him on back to get. Yeah, he’s going to he just messaged me. He said he’s going to call right back and let me just message him. No problem. All right, so Murf will be back in a couple minutes. So, I will um yeah, we’re never going to have one of these without technical difficulties. So, we’ve had one uh gate who was a couple minutes guest who was a couple minute late, which was fine. Now, we have one guy whose uh connection doesn’t That’s the challenge about car vlogs actually. Um put in, by the way, put in the chat if you remember me from when I was doing car vlogs every day. Now, it’s kind of more um a rarity because I’m either home or I’m doing it from my studio. And I admittedly I haven’t done a lot of daily vlogs, but it was the preseason. Now I think maybe now um now that regular season’s on, I’ll be back to going to regular uh you know, at least daily things. But yeah, technical difficulties my specialy. What you mean you can fix them or you always cause them? You missed the car vlog setup. Okay, that’s fair. What was the reason? Yeah. Uh, Irvin, I just got into a nice little routine of getting to work and getting to work 5 10 minutes early, pulling over in the same alley, um, the same lane all all the time and set up my camera and boom, knocking it out of the park. But I think, um, ever since I started live streaming, I found that whatever I was going to say, and remember here’s a here’s an interesting um, aspect of it. I would do those vlogs at 9:00 a.m. just before 9:00 a.m. before I got to work. So often there wasn’t a lot of news that happened overnight. Um more of the news comes after they skate at 10:30 or 11. So I find if I do a vlog at noon or at 1:00 from my workplace, either the studio or outside, it’s actually more timely. I can talk about practice lines, I can talk about deep pairings, I can talk about injuries and suspensions, whatever it may be. Whereas at 9:00 a.m. if I especially if I’ve done a show the night before at 11 to midnight, there’s not much difference, right? Nothing has happened overnight. So that’s one reason why I um I stopped doing them as much if that if that makes sense. So before I was doing live streams, that would make sense because before I was doing the late night live streams, it would make sense um to do it in the morning. But now that I do the live streams, it doesn’t make as much sense. All right, Murf is back. Um, now he’s it’s Yeah, let’s bring him back on because I don’t want to um squander any of the time we have with him. All right. Okay. I’ve got Wi-Fi. Oh. So, were you on your your 5G or 3G network before? I was in my car. Okay. Yeah. No, but it cut out from my end. I couldn’t hear you and it was choppy. So, here we are now. I’ve got Wi-Fi. We’re good. Thank you. Thank I don’t even I don’t even know if you heard my last answer, but uh it was uh just the trials and tribulations of live TV sometimes how you you know the best laid plans go to waste and sometimes you’re struggling to figure out what you’re going to do for four minutes of content when everything you’ve planned is gone. So um but that’s what makes it fun, you know. Um that’s why we do it. So uh you can prepare all you want sometimes and uh the game goes a different way or you get technical difficulties. uh anything. Uh but yeah, it’s it’s still fun. Awesome. By the way, I’m I’m curious. Uh this gym, are you at the gym now? I am inside the gym. And they know, do you just walk in and they say, “Hey, Murf.” And you say, “Hey, I got to do the show for 20 more minutes.” And they just put you in a room. No, I just I kind of uh slinkedked away inside like where the uh the squash courts are. So, I saw some I saw some children running around. So, hopefully they’re not too loud. Okay, that is fine. All right. So, uh um we love your stories. We love the fact that you you are such a visible uh wonderful representative of our fan base and our media. Let’s get to your actual knowledge of the team. Um it’s only two games, but it has been two games. They won a game that they should have won. They lost a game that they probably should have lost. Anything stand out to you aside from Demco is amazing. Uh over the first two games, I mean, I think kind of what we saw in Edmonton is what you know, everybody was kind of suspecting the season could be like, right? First off, I’ll say this, like going to the season, ever since Demco spoke the day before training camp began or the day of training camp uh beginning, I mean, I I have full belief in this guy is going to have an outstanding season. Yeah. Um I think he’s fully healthy. I think mentally he’s in a great spot. I think and personally he’s at ease. He’s at peace. He just sounds like he’s in a really, really good place. So, I believe that he’s going to have a great season and that alone can win you some hockey games just having uh Demco uh in in that, you know, headsp space. Yeah. Um I think we all believe that defense is pretty sound. Um they can defend. Uh the top four should be able to to be fine and we have some good young defenseman whether they want to play, you know, whether it be Elias Person or if Mancini gets some work plus. So, I think the game last night is what we thought. Like, there might be nights where and and first off, too, let’s talk about the opponent. Edmonton is uh one of the class teams of the league. They just don’t. They’re top three, top four team for sure, maybe even top two uh or top one. Uh so, it was tough competition, but this team might have trouble um you know, generating scoring chances, scoring goals. Uh, and I think that what we’ll need to see is that the power play because you have enough talent and those five guys are going to roll there. The power play is going to have to be a differencemaker for them this year. And they had the power play late and they could have stolen the game. Um, you know, or at least stolen a point considering the way the game went and they weren’t able to get it. And I think the power play now is 0 for six on the season. I I think the PK is perfect. The penalty kill hasn’t scored yet. Uh, the power play hasn’t scored yet. So, I think this is kind of what we saw, but you know, I will say it’s the competition has something to do with that as well. Edmonton is very good. So, I’m still interested to see how they look against St. Louis, uh, Dallas, you know, this next road trip into Washington and and Pittsburgh. I’m really interested to see in Chicago how they look against those teams because they were better than Calgary, right? Especially in the third period. Um, you know, they’ve got a tough test in Dallas and then another team in Chicago they should be. So, I think we’re going to really see by the end this road this road trip uh just where this team is under this new head coach. Yeah, great point about the road trip, Murf. There’s some winnable games there for sure. For sure. And they always play well against tougher teams, too. So, we will we will see what happens. I’m really curious because you’re around the team so much. Uh we don’t have to go into the details of last year, but can you notice uh a considerable difference in just the vibe around the team right now? Yeah, I I would say yes. I mean, I don’t think, you know, I think even the media and and us that are around them so much, you couldn’t really that there was, you know, if the team’s kind of winning games these issues, but I would say that right now it sure seems like, and I’ll give credit to Adam foot for this, um, that there’s cohesion, there’s peace, everybody’s, you know, pulling the rope in the same whatever cliches you want to use. And I think that, uh, you know, who I I don’t really believed he had a chance of getting the job. I that he the job I thought probably was because they didn’t want to disrupt what they had defensively for this team. Really give him credit that there has been some tweaks he’s made offensively that I think could make a difference. But as soon as he got the job, we’ve all heard about it now. He he got Demco and Hughes and Person to Michigan. a little uh you know Murf’s going to kill me. I had to remove him because he did freeze. And I’m going to message him one more time. Can you Oh, here he is. We’re gonna put him back in. Hey Dan, can you um check your sound? Can you hear me? Okay, we can see you now, but we can’t hear you. Oh, you’re Oh, there you go. You got me now. Yeah, we got you now. Yeah. Can you hear me? I’m not sure what’s going on. But it’s all right. I got your back. Okay, no worries. We I’ve got full bars here. No, I app Maybe it’s me. Yeah, it’s weird. I couldn’t hear you for a while and then I was just like, what’s going on? So, anyways, there we go. It was fine because you were you were frozen, but we could hear your your audio, so it was fine, actually. It was fine. Okay, that’s probably better. Put up a black screen for me. Anyway, so you were just finishing off just saying just uh Yeah, just just the way that the this team is and the way that it’s built basically. Yeah. And I I was just saying too like the vibes do seem better. I mean, I think they’re making um you know, a real effort to make sure that nothing from last year is bleeding into this year. They don’t want to relitigate what happened last year. They’ve talked about it a lot. Uh and that’s probably a good thing. Like why would you dwell on that? I think the one thing you could say is is that with everything that happened last year and it was a crazy year, they still managed to scrape out 90 points and, you know, be close to a playoff team. So, I think they’re saying, “Listen, guys. Um, we don’t have the distractions this year. Uh, we have a healthy Demco this year. Um, you know, you know, we have the best defenseman in the league in our opinion. Um, you know, so I I think like uh I think everybody believes that Peterson is going to have a bounceback year. Like they’ve got the backbone to do some stuff now. They just have to go and prove they can do it. And and the as bad as the season was, the off season was great, right? Demco resigns, Garland resigns, Besser resigns. Nobody saw that was coming. Like it it like I I was told the day before it wasn’t happening and then the day of it came back into play. Yeah. Um, and I’m just glad that like because everybody had been tweeting Besser’s gone and like I had heard that too, but I was like, I’m not going to tweet it because everybody’s done it. What am I going to confirm all the reports? So, luckily I never said it even though I thought it. Um, and then you get the draft pick of I was at the draft get Coots. Yeah. Right. When they made that pick, so you know, a lot of people thought they left the Swedish kid uh, you know, in the green room instead of picking him, but looks like Coots was a fantastic pick. So, I think that after what was last season a bit of a disaster, the off season and into the preseason has been um you know, all positive for the Canucks so far. And if I may, you’re too humble to say this. I’m pretty sure you were the one who broke the news on July 1st with the first tweet saying that, “Hey, this Brock thing uh it’s not a foregone conclusion that he’s gone.” Does that ring a bell? You can tell. I don’t get very many, but I had that one and I it was right before I went on the air and I reached out to someone. I was like, “Is there any news?” And the the person I was speaking to said, “Listen, that the Canucks aren’t out of play.” So, I said that and then maybe a half hour later was done. Uh they had signed and like Brock never wanted to leave, right? Yeah. Um he wanted he wanted to come back and I think once the door was back open to a deal being made, uh he jumped at it. Yeah. No, I do remember um I think I was upstairs. Obviously, I didn’t have work. It was Canada Day, but I was trying to do something and then I saw your tweet and I made my way down here because I knew I would have to like record something real quick. So, thank you Murf for the tip. That’s great. You mentioned Braden Coots. Um, is it a foregone conclusion that he’ll do his nine and then go back down to Seattle? Frozen again, Clay. Oh, I got you. Yeah, I got you. Sorry, we’re frozen. So, go back. I didn’t hear what you said there. No, Brian. Braden Coots, do you think um it’s a foregone conclusion that he’ll be back in Seattle after nine games? I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion. Um, but you know, I would say this that like this is a management group that was known in Pittsburgh for really letting guys um marinate in the minors, right? Never called them up until they were ready. So, the fact that he made the team tells you that they really believe he can help the team because this is not their mo. Um, you know, they believe guys should be in the minors, should get their games, their reps in there, and then come up. So maybe they felt he was so good in camp that they had to give him some games. But I mean, if if he proves in the nine games that he can help this team win, especially considering he’s a right-hand center, um, and while they have some depth at center, they don’t have the same skill as they did to start last year because JT’s gone. Yeah. Uh, then I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion, but definitely I would think with Patrick and Jim, they’ve always had the mindset that guys should get their reps at lower levels before breaking through. And so if they think that he can uh go back and then play in the World Juniors and get that and come back next year even better, then that’s what they’ll do. Wonderful. What well said. Yeah, it was a I I’m sure it was a great moment for him yesterday playing in in Alberta. Tough opponent of course to do that as as you mentioned a couple times. Um the for me Murth the four story lines going in the season were Demco were Coots and then I want to talk ask you about Pey and Hugh. So for Pety, have you seen and heard and again only two games, but what have you seen that makes you think uh give us hope as Kucks fans? I I like him. I want him to succeed. If he does well, the team will do well, obviously. Um is there enough there right now, do you think? I I mean, I do think u you know, as far as the mental approach, I I’ve seen it. I’ve talked to him. I had a round of golf with him. He seems like he’s he’s kind of um he’s confident. Um he knows the I mean I’m like you at the start of a season I’m always gonna be positive, right? Yeah. And and you know this is the guy that had you know averaged 95 and a half points over two years before last season, you know, so I’m always going to believe that that’s the player the guy who’s shown us what he was for five years before it for kind of a season and a half really. Um, and I do think that um, we’ve seen, you know, it’s only been two games, but the preseason, you’ve seen the Patterson I I say like he’s gained weight, right? Whatever it was 13 14 pounds, but he looks lighter on the ice. He’s moving more freely. He’s he’s he always looks so because he it was like he was wasn’t thinking or he was thinking a step ahead, right? Making guys miss defensively, ripping pucks. I’ve seen more of that. Um, but we have to hold the guy to a high standard, right? He’s making 11 and a half. Um, and last year, you know, obviously everybody was like really hoping for him to come back. So, you you’d just say, “Oh my god, that was a great shift.” Well, he needs to win games for this team. He’s their topline center. He’s their offensive uh, you know, mainstay up front. Um, and now he’s got to prove that he can still be that player. And I do think he can. I mean, I don’t think you give up on 25year-old guys that have this kind of history already in the National Hockey League. And to me, he seems like he’s he’s in a good headsp space as well. Good. No, well said. Um I I know it’s hard to predict, but it’s everyone’s going to be talking about this and you you mentioned the extensions of all the his American best buddies. Not sure if that’s going to make a difference. Yeah. What do you think is going to happen with Quinn? Do you have me? Yep. Can you hear me now? Back. No. Yeah. No. Can you hear me? Oh, you’re back. Yeah, you’re back again, man. It’s okay. We’ll we’ll we’ll make it work for the last 10 minutes. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I got you. Yeah, just then you’re gone and then you come back. Okay. I I’ll ask quick. Hard to say. What do you think is going to happen with Quinn? Well, I will say this. I don’t think he’s made up his mind. I’m not in that camp that says he’s gone. Like, he already knows what he’s going to do. I think being the captain of this franchise means something to him. I think loyalty means something to him. You know, when Rick Tocket said that he wanted the young guys to step up, this was the guy that really made it known, I want to be a leader on this team and became the captain, right? So, I don’t think he’s made up his mind. I think this season will have a lot to do with it. I don’t think anybody has to panic yet. Of course, that’s out there. This could happen. Oh, I think we lost Murf. We’re going to wait though. That is Wi-Fi at the gym. I think it’s going to Oh, there. I think we’re back. I can’t hear you, Murf. I don’t know you can hear me. We’re probably talking over each other. I’m gonna see if Murf can get back in one more time. He’s because he’s worth it. He’s worth it. But maybe I’m going to bring him over to my house next time. Oh, the black circle of doom. Okay, I’m going to wait till I see him backstage again, then I’ll bring him back in because he is worth it. Uh, and he’s cutting into his workout time just for us. But it’s okay. We’re working out the kinks. Um, Wi-Fi is always tricky. But I’ll wait till I see him backstage. Maybe he’ll he’ll he’ll go Yeah, Wi-Fi. Maybe everyone’s on the on the Wi-Fi at their uh at the gym. Oh, I see him coming. Oh, I have two Murfs now. It’s the It’s the old guy with technology, but it just keeps locking up and I have full internet. Anyway, um anyway, to my point, yeah, I don’t think we should panic on Quinn just yet. It’s a very real possibility he might uh he might leave. But if this team is proving it’s going the a great sign on July 1st last year that Besser came back that Garland resigned that Demco resigned. So I think all those things are going to weigh in his decision- making only in a positive way. So um while Kucks fans are going to panic, uh let’s not panic too much. I love it. I love it. All right, we’ll move to the the last five minutes. Uh, can you hear me? Okay, Dan. Yep, I got you. I’m not convinced to stay this way, but I got you right now. Well, I appreciate that. We might have to move to that satellite after all. Gourd says, “Can you share about your experience with your men’s mental health podcast? I really value that podcast and I appreciate your candid style of hosting that show.” Yeah. So, it was um I think a lot of people remember TC Carling who was a a VP with the Kucks under Trevor Lindon. uh he went back to that space with the Canadian Men’s Health uh foundation uh since Ben Brown has has taken a role in that and TC has moved on uh to Covenant House. Um but yeah, I guess my my first introduction to it was a lot like a lot of Kucks. was Rick Ripen. And um so, you know, as being an older guy, um you know, I I think I was, you know, once that happened, I started to realize how many more people uh were affected by these things. And I just thought it was a a great space to talk to people um about just guys being a little bit vulnerable when it comes to this stuff and not being afraid to talk about this stuff because uh it’s it’s so important the physical health, the mental health uh to guys anywhere from like we know the young kids are susceptible but guys up to 30s, 40s, 50s. So, I just felt it was a good space to do uh to do something uh and have some like good meaningful conversations to try to at least uh start dialogue or allow people to believe that they could uh be involved in a conversation. Awesome. No, thank you. It’s uh such an important part and it’s becoming more and more prevalent. Uh stigma is going away, so no, you’re a big part of that. So, thank you for that. Uh nothing is perfect says this. What’s your favorite memory about growing up in Abbottzford? Oh boy. Um, favorite memory in I mean I went to high school there. Um, I worked at Ledge View, the golf course. I loved that. Um, what’s my favorite memory? I mean, I I guess I’m like anyone like just establishing those high school friends that you have to this day, right? It’s kind of it was your hometown. Um, and and I would say that, yeah, like I mean I went away to university at 18 and I kind of never really been back to Abbottzford, but the friendships I made from when I was, you know, anywhere from 10 years old to 18 years old, those close relationships have I’ve maintained and perhaps even gotten stronger. So, that’s what I’m most thankful for for my years in Abbasford. Love it. Back toback questions. What’s it like working with Barry and Landon and what’s it like working with Tyson Barry on the panel? So, maybe a word or two about both. Uh, well, I mean, I think I I’ve only known Tyson a little bit throughout the years from interviews and stuff, right? And I think he’s an unbelievably funny guy with a great personality, and I hope we can get him to feel comfortable to tell some stories on the air, right? He’s got he doesn’t really have a history of player for the Canucks, but he knows a lot of people in this league and so so far so good with Landon, was so with Tyson. And I just think Landon has got a lot of knowledge. Like, um, I’ve liked all aspects of the panel. I thought Ian was a great storyteller, right? He writes uh I think SAD is great because he does radio all the time and he has a lot of knowledge and he speaks on these topics all the time but you know for Landon he can break games down because he was a player right that’s more X’s and O’s and you know sat myself Ian never played the game at a high level so it was always great to have his perspective and I think we got as much as I like Tyson to to bring some humor Landon is very very dry humor and we just got we just have to let him to tell some jokes and and open up a a little bit because you think he’s so deadly serious, but really once you get him going, he’s a a funny funny dude. That That’s a great point about Landon Murf because uh at the very end of our chat, he was telling a story about how his dad Ray never doesn’t know what penalty killing is because he’s never blocked a shot in his life. That was kind It was pretty funny actually. So, just like little nuggets like that. I agree. We need to see more from him for sure. Rosario says, “Who’s the current prankster on the Canucks main roster? Is there a current prankster? I would say probably Garland. You know, Garland’s the guy that seems to be in everybody’s ear. Um, he does the same stuff to us to to myself to Craig Mchuan, the PR guy. Like, if there’s a guy that’s always joking and trying to put people off for certain ways, I would say definitely Connor Garland would be the guy I would vote first off for the the main prankster jokester on the team at this point. That’s awesome. Were there a couple from years past, decades past that you would also put up there? Like who else that doesn’t play for the team now might might have had a good Keith Ballard. Oh, okay. Keith Ballard was outstanding with that stuff. Um, you know, he was always up to something. Lango was very good as well. Yeah. Um, from those and obviously like BX and Burroughs were constantly getting each other, but they would drag other people in there too usually and usually was Kesler that was the victim of most of their pranks. That’s awesome. Okay, Murv, I’ll just keep you for a couple more minutes. Here’s one more. Um, do you know did you have a sense of that the management were looking at Coots and if so um who in particular was high on Braden Coots last year? Well, I’ll say this like my my knowledge of the draft like it comes from everybody that covers the draft. Like when I first started there was nothing on these players, right? Yeah. Now I knew I was covering the draft like two weeks before this. It was I mean I get on Elite Prospects. I read all Sam Cosantino stuff. for every Bob McKenzie stuff and you can have knowledge of the first round of the draft at your fingertips whenever you want it. So, you know, we always joke like uh you know, oh, I think this is a great pick by the Canucks that this guy just learned about, you know, one week ago, right? That’s basically it. That’s my knowledge. Um, but the one thing I uh I knew that they loved was the fact that he was a 17-year-old captain in WHL. Um, he helped lead Canada to the U8s. Um, so I think that the one thing that they liked about him was his maturity at that age already. Um, so, you know, I’m not sure which scouts uh picked that up early on, but I think those are the qual the ones qualities are going to be there. Yeah. But for a 17 18 year old uh and I and I asked Ryan Johnson this in Calgary in the preseason, like the onai stuff is obvious, but what specifically do you need to see from an 18-year-old to believe that he can make it at this level right now? And a lot of that stuff was it’s like the hockey IQ and it’s maturity, you know, acting like a pro because it’s it’s tough to do that at that age when a lot of the when some of these players their dads are almost as you know they’re as old as your dad basically. Love it. And then last one from the line change. Is there a game or two that you are most looking forward to on this year’s schedule? Either home or away. I mean I always look forward to the Leafs games. I mean, I love I love the four o’clock start in Vancouver. You know, the Canucks rarely lose that game, right? They almost always win the game. I do love that. And then I I I I I believe that Edmonton is their biggest rival at this point. So, I like all the games against Edmonton. You even see like Tyler Myers going after McDavid last night. Like that kind of stuff. Like the players feel it too. So, I like the I like the the original six teams. Like I love going to Madison Square Garden every year. Uh, you know, Montreal is always a great event and Toronto. So, I’m not much different from most of the fans that the there’s the games that fans get up for, I probably do, too. All right. Light, I got one last one because it’s such a good question. Murf, you’re a legendary figure in Canucks media for decades. Besides the 2011 playoff run, what is the most fun era in Kucks history for you personally? Okay, what’s that? I just I was lost for a second. What’s your most fun as a Canucks history? Yeah. Most the the aside from the 2011 playoff run. Yeah. Your favorite era to cover? My favorite team to cover? Um or era? Or era? I thought the bubble. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean early on I thought like the West Coast Express era was fantastic and that was kind of my first years covering the team, right? Like the Naslin, Bertusi, Morrison years. You also had Jovonoski. Cle had some great characters. Uh so I did like that. Um and I I really like the bubble team. um kind of because it was kind of like the team that emerged from the darkness and had that uh that fun run, you know, and it was, you know, like Tanov and Ster and some of these like real character guys. So, I would say aside from 2011, I I I did enjoy the West Coast Express teams and then I really like that bubble team because it was kind of the real first reason for fans to cheer in some time. Awesome. Well, Murf, whether it’s the car, the gym, 5G, or Wi-Fi, I always appreciate that you make time for me on this Thanksgiving weekend. So, thank you. Thank you. We look forward to watching everything on TV and and the way that you host and and bring together this connects community. So, I’m very grateful for your support and your friendship. So, thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate it. Yeah, no problem, Clay. Thanks for having me on. Sorry about the uh the interruptions technically. It’s uh Rogers. I’ll get after my employer here. See what’s wrong with my phone. Good. Let me know how that goes. All right. Enjoy your workout and happy Thanksgiving. Take care. Thanks, Murf. Take care. Awesome. So lucky. He’s the best. Dan Murphy, uh, despite some of the of the technical challenges, I I’m sure you guys figured it out. You guys figured out what he was talking about, and I I appreciate him taking time. I all the guests, I appreciate um taking time on their Thanksgiving weekend. All right, I’m going to do about um a 10-minute reset now. No, I’ll do a fiveminute reset. So, let’s do let’s chat for about the next five or seven minutes. Your thoughts on what Murf had to say and then we will get going uh set up for our next guest which is Ian McIntyre also of SportsNet. So, what do we got here? The bubble team deserved a better fate. I know that was so exciting. Really captivated the the hearts and minds of this fan base. Sorry, Ricky. Sorry I didn’t get to your question. Um unexpected answer. Yes, that was a Yeah, he talked about West Coast Express, talked about the bubble team. That was pretty cool. Murf is great. He is a beauty. All those things. Hey, Dino and Mena. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Chris giving us his name of Chris. How’s the temp on my devices? Everything’s fine. Um the the MacBook that’s running the stream is good. How’s it sound? It still sound okay. Um I and I you know it’s funny every time that Murf cut out I checked I did a quick speed test. I want to make sure it’s not on my end but I’m pretty sure given that he was um on Wi-Fi it was probably a phone on Wi-Fi is always trickier right than than a wired laptop or desktop for sure. Murf was awesome guest to enjoyed it. I’m glad. Yeah I enjoyed Murf a lot too and he always makes time for me which is awesome. Great shot. Hey we just roll with the punches for sure. Thank you Shannon. I appreciate you. Nice to see you too. Of course you know. Nice to see you and Ma. My favorite year was when Horvette scored a beautiful goal during the bubble. Yeah, he was awesome in the bubble. Sound is good. Sound is good. Awesome. Yeah. Where do you put your loss to Detroit on 2002 on your list of what could have been? But yeah, that was that was painful. There was that year um because we started off so well. There was also the year that we lost to Minnesota, right? We lost about Minnesota to Minnesota. That was the year where I definitely think we could have done a lot better. Wi-Fi can always be finicky for sure. Uh, hey, the real Elas Person. No, I won’t be watching the Jay’s game during the stream. So, hopefully, uh, what time does it start? Hopefully, people will have me uh the game on the TV and this will have me on their computer. I’m not sure if Tyler Mott’s in the league right now. Someone let me know where is Tyler Mott right now. I am refreshing every hour, so the audio resyncs. Oh, I never thought about Hey, that’s a great great tip from Irvin because you know in a eight hour stream it might is it already getting um is it already off sync for you? But that’s a really good point. That’s a really good point that it’s it’s naturally going to u the the the rates on all my machines that I’m using might not be what do you call it? Exactly the same. So, great point. Great point. Um refresh the stream every hour so the audio resyncs. Yeah. 2003 versus Wild in game seven. There we go. Hey, Yano. Sorry. Hey, Michael. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you, Carol. Thank you, Carol. Uh, the game starts at 5. Starts at 5. Thanks, Chris. Thanks, Peterson. Wi-Fi is difficult to connect no matter where you are. Indeed, Tyler Mott had a PTO this year. Ah, with the Rangers. The sync problem may be on my end. Yeah, we’ll see. I don’t not sure um if it’s right on right now. And by the way, when um for anyone who gives during an interview, obviously I’m not going to interrupt the interview. I will recognize it at the bottom of the hour, but here the major general gifts a membership. I love it. Thank you. Thank you for your generosity. So, we got the Major General gifting a franchise membership and that goes to Lefty all around. So, welcome to franchise membership, Lefty, and thank you to the Major General. Let’s give Major General some love in the chat. But we ain’t done. We have Russell from Nothing is Perfect. Who who you who you will see tonight at 10 p.m. as part of my Kucks Creators uh content creators roundt. Russell gifts and membership and that one goes to Connor. Great to see Connor back. So, welcome back to franchise membership Connor and thank you Russell for your generosity as well. I appreciate you very much. Appreciate you very much. Let’s see. Um, just looking at something here. Well, I’m clicking all over the place when I probably shouldn’t be. I think I just unhid something that the moderators hid, which is fine. I trust the moderators. And yes, that was proper to hide. Major General is a frequent donor on Russell streams. Well, I appreciate you spreading and sharing the love, Major General. That is awesome. I see. I follow the general wherever he goes. You know what’s also awesome? Dono Dino. And he got it. Who do you think you are? I am Dono. Dino. Dino comes through with a $28 donation. Let’s give some love to Dino and his mother, Mena, in the chat. That is very, very generous of you as always. So, thank you for the generosity. Thank you for the $28 donation. You want to hit the high five? Yeah, I’m sure we will. We just got to get uh one person to buy a new membership, but then um figure out what we’re going to do with it for sure. So, thanks again, Dino. Oh, yes. Let’s uh let’s review the leaderboard now. And it is Dino with 1175, Fang Girl with 1050, Justin with 525, Carol with 425, and her Harry with 400. That is our top five. And Swervan Irvin just outside the top five right now. So thank you Dino for your awesome awesome generosity. And Jason Lim who I got to see and wish him a quick thanks happy Thanksgiving. Jason Lim in the house for sure. All right, it is coming up on 2:25. That means I can play this five minute um this five minutes coming back. So, next up is Ian McIntyre of Sportsnet who I can’t wait to chat with. Always so good to me. You can view the complete schedule there. But yes, Ian McIntyre in five minutes and then we’ll get going once again. So, I’m not sure if Ricky’s around. Um, yeah, I haven’t had a ch Usually I’ll do a 10-minute break at the end of the the big hours, but as you know, I’m trying to cram four guests into three into three hours here. So, that’s why kind of the weird times, right? We got a we got a 145, a 2:30, and a 315. So, let’s go five minute break. I will see you in in five minutes with Ian McIntyre. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Yeah. Heat. Hey, I’m Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. deep down. Down feel down. Hey, I’m Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. We are back. We are continuing to traverse through this 24-hour live stream. And because I am trying to fit four guests into three hours, yes, these aren’t clean breaks at the top of the hour, they’re kind of all over the place. So, we went 1:00 with Lannon Ferraro. We went 1:45 with Dan Murphy. And then we are going to have Ian McIntyre from Sportsnet as the 2:30 guest. Just waiting for him to pop in backstage. Make sure that he is ready to go. So, thanks to everyone who’s been here so far. Um, and I can’t wait uh to continue on this 24-hour live stream. Shout out to everyone who’s been on for the first two and a half hours. We are more than 11 12th of the way done, which is good. 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I think he’s in a different room than last year, but I I’ll have to quiz him about that. I can remember last year he had his phone like perched on a music stand or something, but we’ll see if he remembers that. So, Ian, give me a thumbs up. You’re ready to go. Awesome. Please welcome um my former Richmond neighbor, my my uh my my friend and uh wonderful wonderful broadcaster from Sportsnet. This is Mr. Ian McIntyre. Ian Clay, how’s it going so far? So far so good. I’m two and a half hours in and we’ve uh the guests have been great. It was Landon, it was Dan, it was Murf, and now it is you. Um, but I’ve had to remind two of the three unless you were coming. You just you were just Yeah, I’m glad you’re here is the main Well, I’m glad I’m here as well. I am in a different room. I You’re You have a very good memory, Clay, because I I was uh in my office last year. Yeah. Uh so as not to disturb the rest of the house, right? And I did have my phone perched on a music stand and the music stand kept tilting. So during the interview I kept going like you know. So uh I’m still perched but it’s not on a music stand and at the moment nobody else is home. Yeah. So I so I figured I’d just come into the dining area and just claim the claim the house for myself. So, if I have one son who’s still living here and my wife of course lives here, too. So, they may come home. They may walk into your show. Perfect. I don’t I don’t know. There’s Thanksgiving uh meal preparations going on. Not at our house at at my uh in-laws. So, this uh this kind of frees me from that work for half an hour. But then I I got to make a mash. I got to do the mash. Yeah. And I was told I can do uh Brussels sprouts if I want to do them, but I don’t have to do them. So, I’ve got a big bag of Brussels sprouts. But I cooked them in panchetta that I Oh. Oh, that sounds good. Yeah. I I think it was Tony Gallagher used to say there was nothing on earth as reprehensible as Brussels sprouts. But if you just make them not taste like Brussels sprouts, they’re fine. So, I think I’m going to fry them with some penetta and butter and get a little char on them. You have to slice them up first, though. Of course. Well, it sounds And Ian, you’re welcome to use me as an excuse anytime. Even if you’re not talking to me still, you can say that you are just to get out of your your chores. That’s fine. Well, thank you. And by the way, um I I referenced it. You do you still live in the area? Was that long long time ago? No. No. I we’re we’re here. Uh, I mean, the realtors say that I live in Steve, but because you and I grew up here, Clay, uh, we know that I don’t live in Steve because I’m a little bit I’m a little bit north of Steveston Highway and west of number one road. You have to be you have to be south of Steve Highway to actually live in Steve, but the realtors say that this is Steveston North. So, it’s not far from where I uh grew up. It’s only about five minute drive from where I grew up. Uh my parents still live in the house where I grew up. So that’s that’s something. They’re both in their 90s and uh my wife’s grew up not too much farther away. So yeah, this is this is home. This is always been the neighborhood. Love it. Oh, I’m at Stefson Railway. So using your criteria, I’m not in Steve either technically. So Well, no, it depends where. So Steve Railway, that’s in Steen. If you’re south of Ston Highway, are you south? I’m not. I am on the northwest corner. Yeah. Northwest corner. Yeah. No, not Steveston. Not Steve. You don’t get to claim that. Well, we can wax on about the uh Richmond geography at another time. Thank you, Ian, for for joining me on Thanksgiving. You Hey, you got 24 hours to fill. We can talk about geography. We can talk about cooking. You’ll thank you’ll thank me later if if we have if we have 10 minutes. It’s not the Canucks. In fact, my it’s kind of a become a a running joke the last couple of summers because after I take some time off Yeah. and don’t do radio shows when I first come back on usually in August, we agree before I go on uh Sportsnet 650 that we’re not talking about hockey. And so we talk about everything but but the Canucks and hockey. Uh, some people are confused by that, but I think some like it, some don’t like it, right? But, uh, you know, we we have to we have to keep it fresh. You got you got 21 and a half hours to go. That’s true. That’s true. And a nice mix of of media content creators and family. And I I’m sure I’ll get slapped by a with a tortilla in the face once or twice. Once that’s my boys take the midnight hour. That becomes goofy hour. But, uh, if you’re if you’re up, make sure you tune in then. Uh, and by the way, matching matching earbuds, which is really really good. Uh, really quick, actually, let’s do one non-connect thing. Uh, tell me about your love for photography because I I’ve noticed like you take some really good pictures and you post them on your ex account, probably other places. Is that always been a hobby for you? Uh, yeah, it has, Clay. Thank you for asking. Yeah. Uh, love talking about photography. When I when I was young, I was one of these, you know, nerdy kids who always had a strong idea of what I wanted to do. and it was going to be in journalism. Uh, actually going back to I think it was my grade seven teacher wrote in my journal that I would make a good sports writer. And so I always kind of had that in mind. But I did think about photojournalism because I loved photography as a kid. Uh, one I think it was my grade nine Christmas, my parents gave me a camera, a Pentax SLR, which I I took everywhere with me. Um, learned learned to, you know, develop film, learn to work in a dark room, although not with color to be fair because color is a lot trickier than black and white. But yeah, so uh I actually while going to high school, going to Richmond High. Where which high school did you go to? Richmond High 92. Okay. So I was Richmond High 84. There we go. Uh how come I look so much more than eight years older then? I I wouldn’t say that. Maybe it’s the Asian Asian don’t raisin thing or something they say. Well, I’m not even going to comment on that because that that seems fraught with danger. So, uh, while I was going to high school, uh, I had started volunteering to write stories, uh, for the Richmond Review, which of course was our thriving, uh, twice a week community newspaper, paid subscription. Yeah. And, uh, through that, I met uh, the photographer and uh, he needed some help because he was the only photographer. So I kind of apprenticed basically, you know, I would do I would do ride alongs except instead of with cops, it was with the Richmond Review photographer. Yes. Yeah. And got some paid gigs for uh taking pictures. But I had to make a choice basically when I got to journalism school at at Langera and I was uh the youngest in the class by a couple of years but the most immature in the class by many more than just a couple of years. I had to choose uh between photography and writing and it it just seemed like there were a lot more writing jobs than there were photography jobs. So, right, never I I did put my camera away for a while uh as a young reporter and I regret that now because I I spent four years working in Cam Loops and I have hardly any photos of it. And this was this was I I know much of your audience uh because we’re streaming this will be amazed to find out that people didn’t have phones, let alone cameras on their phones that they carried with them. So, it it you had to you had to make an effort if you wanted uh a visual recorded history of where you were and the things you did. And I regret I didn’t take more pictures when I was in my 20s, but uh love having the camera on my phone. And thank you for the plug for for my photos. That too, I think, bothers some people because they see my ex account is just a Canucks account and it’s not. It’s my living room. Like I’m probably I I should I should have more more other things that I like in there, like more cooking stuff and more golf stuff and more travel stuff and but I I do force my photos upon people. So, thank you for the kind words. No, of course. Of course. No, it’s uh it’s good. We have uh you mentioned golf and travel. We have a lot of things in common. I’m not a good photographer, but uh I’ll leave that to my boys. But that’s uh No, thank you. Thank you for always being so supportive of me. Uh, let’s talk about Kucks for a little bit and then I’ll we’ll save maybe five minutes at the end for people to ask you questions if that’s cool with you. Sure. Of course. Awesome. Okay. So, before you start, I’m ready. So, I’m I’ve got my glasses on so I can see the screen more clearly. Yeah. Um, am I just reflecting? Am I looking like John Shannon, you know, with the with the studio lights reflecting? No, we actually see. Yeah, it looks good. You can wear the glasses. Yeah, it’s fine. Yeah, it looks really really good. John. Okay. It’s funny you mentioned John Shannon because I I did have Landon on our first guest and we had some good stories about John who who I really like. I didn’t Yeah. I didn’t know enough about him. I respected what he did in the game, but I really like listening to what him and Landon are doing with their their podcast. For sure. Yeah. Well, John was John was very kind to me when I started at uh Sportsnet. um sort of offering some advice and support and of course uh BC guy himself from I think it’s Okonogan Falls but it might be Oliver. He’ll be watching. He’ll be watching. He’ll he’ll text in. So yes, I think it is Oliver for sure. Awesome. Okay. Okay, Ian, we’re two games in. It’s only two games in, but they they all still count the same. Um what have you liked and what haven’t you liked so far? Well, I kind of liked the first game. I kind of didn’t like the second game. It’s too bad. It’s too bad your 24 hours follows that game last night in Edmonton, uh, where I was there. I got up early to come back here and do your show, by the way. So, Oh, thank you. I I knew you were there because I heard you ask a question in the pregame. I was like, “What the heck?” Ian’s there. So, thank you. Yeah, I also came back early to eat turkey, but your show is more important than the family Thanksgiving dinner. Uh, clearly. Um, but it’s I was thinking that before we came on, man, can you imagine if they’d had a great game last night? They won, you know, 52 and Person scored twice and Demco played the way he played and the power play was great. What you’d be, it would be like a holiday today. Like it’ just be a civic holiday. You’d be you’d be like the center of the parade. Everyone would be checking in to tell you how much they like this or that, right? No, their their game last night obviously was was not nearly good enough. I mean, Demco was absolutely brilliant. Um my uh post postgame radio show host Satiar Shaw said, you know, Demco could h might not play a better game than that all season even though obviously he’s going to win some. And and that’s you know that could that might be true because he he was spectacular. Uh, I I guess the to me and look like we we tend to you remember those old um uh anti-drug commercials, right? This is your brain and this is your brain on drugs, right? So, so people YouTube it so we know you know what we’re talking about. But often in Vancouver, you know, this this is your brain and this is your brain on a Canucks loss. Yeah. So, it’s only two games and I don’t think we can make I think it would be a mistake to make sweeping judgments about the team based on two games. To me, the most disappointing part of of the Saturday game was that they they weren’t at their best in the first two periods against Calgary in the home opener. But you could see that that had a lot to do with nerves and and you know anxiousness. They were they were in such a a hurry to try to extend all the positivity from their preeason which was one of the most positive two weeks I’ve experienced around this hockey team. Honestly, like it just the the uh the the how the team kind of coalesed and came together, how they absorbed and not just absorb but embraced these new things that Adam Foot and his staff are teaching, how they seem so unified, and then their performance. Of course, there’s good news stories as well. You know, Braden Coots headlining that, but also all these other guys from Abbottzford who made the team. uh there was just a lot of momentum, a lot of energy coming into the season, which sounds strange, right? G considering where they were last year. And so I think in that opener against Calgary, they just so desperately wanted to to get from zero to to 60 in like two two and a half seconds, right? And and they were just a little bit off. But while they were off, they also didn’t give up a lot. You know, Demco did have to stop a couple of breakaways from Kuck turnovers, but you know, for the most part, the Canucks weren’t surrendering a whole lot. And then, of course, they had they finally got their legs going. They finally calmed themselves a bit and had a dominant third period and won the game. I thought they would build on that by coming out strong in Edmonton. And you know, Adam Foot told told me in in the postgame scrum that he didn’t think they were bad at the start. He thought they were okay, but we know that, you know, they just generated next to nothing. And talking to a couple of the Canuck players afterward. My sense is they had so much focus and respect and awareness for Dry Cidle and McDavid. And you know the game plan, every team that goes into Edmonton, every team that plays the Oilers, that’s the game plan. Like how how are you going to deal with these two guys because they’re probably the best two players in the world. And I know that’s that’s not a hot take with McDavid. But I would say I would probably take Dry Cidle over anybody else other than McDavid right now. And some nights I like Dry Cidle a lot. Some nights I’d take him over McDavid, too. But, you know, you always have this focus on those guys. And talking to a couple of the connect players, I think there was so much focus on defending them, being aware when they’re out there that there wasn’t there wasn’t enough um energy and focus on well, what are we going to do in the offensive half of the ice? Like, what are we going to do when they’re not on the ice? How are we going to exploit uh what they give us? and and Adam Foot said, you know, he thought there were four or five twoon ones that they had an opportunity to execute on. They only got one of them and and uh Drew O’ Connor’s pass went into the crease and then bounced back out. It you know, they didn’t get anything from it. Uh, I just thought to me that they would I didn’t necessarily expect that they would beat Edmonton, but I thought, okay, if their performance on the whole in against Calgary, let’s say it was a six or a seven out of 10, I thought they were going to be better than that and not a 10 out of 10 because it’s only game two. But I thought, okay, well, at least they’re going to be a seven or eight out of 10. And, you know, they were probably a three or a four. And I know some people are screaming, what? Three or four? They were a zero. Well, they weren’t a zero. Edmonton’s a very good team. Yes, they they did do a commendable job against McDavid and Dry Cidle. Those guys didn’t get on the actual score sheet. They had a lot of the puck. They had a lot of chances, but they didn’t get on the score sheet till the empty net goal uh at the end. So, you know, and it wasn’t all bad. It was just disappointing to me that there wasn’t more um I don’t want to say energy, but there wasn’t more assertiveness, there wasn’t more aggressiveness uh for them to take the game down to the Oilers zone because this is a this is a team we know that, you know, their forche is a huge component to their game. you know, uh, generating off the cycle, uh, making things difficult on the opposition defenseman, keeping the puck in their zone, establishing some offensive zone time. Well, in the first period, it felt like the Canucks had no offensive zone time. I mean I mean literally they did because like say the twoon-one with O’ Conor they get across the blue line they have the puck but it seemed like eight seconds later after whatever shot or play they tried to make eight seconds later the puck was going back the other way again. They just didn’t sustain anything. You know that all that said you know Besser scores that uh opportunistic goal uh early in the third period did a great job. It looked like he was, you know, we’ve all got the Blue Jays on the on our minds a little bit. I guess some of us have the Mariners on on their minds, too. It looked like, you know, a guy bunting a line drive or bunt, sorry, bunting a pitch into the dirt in front of them and then turning to make a hockey play and kind of hooking it into the net. It was it was great hand eye by Besser. But all of a sudden, it’s 2-1. Like after all these things that people were talking about postgame, all these things we’re going to be talking about until the Canucks played the St. Louis Blues on Monday. Even with all that, it was 2-1. And they had an opportunity on a night where Demco was really special to get something from a game that they didn’t deserve to get. And all the good teams, all the teams that get 100 points, they find a way to do that at times during the season. They don’t just get you don’t entirely get 110 points because every game that you take those points you’re better than the other team, but you get them because most of the time you’re better than the other team. But you’re also resilient and you’re resourceful and you’re opportunistic. And when when another team hasn’t taken their chances to put you away, you punish them for that and and try to get something out of the game. and the Conucks just, you know, they couldn’t get anything out of the game and it was it was really a wasted performance or or they wasted a performance by Thatcher Demco. wasn’t a wasted performance by him because let’s remember again how important it is for this guy after the season he had last year three separate injuries including that that confounding knee knee injury that dragged on for months and months and months and undermined his season put him in a position where he’s more vulnerable to get injured once he started playing which he did twice how important it is for Thatcher Demco to be healthy and in the kind of form that he was last night but I thought I thought the Canucks would have a better response uh early on and now we’re all expecting a big response Monday against St. Louis. Yeah, I was at the game on Thursday night, Ian hosting Calgary and then watching on TV and I love, you know, Demco’s on when he looks big and he just does that that that uh lateral slide and no matter look, it looks like he’s out of position, but he just calmly slides from side to side and he just looks so square. And great point about Dryside McDavid. I will that’s the one game the one team where I will stand up and and literally cheer when we kill off a penalty because it feels like such it feels like such an accomplishment like yeah die happy almost. So, um, having said all that, did did, um, do you get the sense that Yeah, there’s just so much going through my mind of what you you had so much there, but is I do ramble. No, no, no, no. I’m I’m just trying to think. I’m I’m rambling, too. Just um Yeah, they’re the best team in the West. They’ve Santa Cup finally. I I don’t know if it’s I agree. It’s the respect and I just I don’t know. Maybe maybe just up front at least, they the the Canucks don’t have the guns to go with them. Like I we we like their go their defense, but when you look up the four, it’s just the kind of match them up. It’s there’s no comparison, right? Well, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, there’s going to be a lot of teams where Vancouver doesn’t have if you look at their top forwards, it’s not as impressive. If you look at the top forwards on the other team, but there’s a lot of teams that don’t have the defense that the Canucks have, and there’s very few teams that have the goalending that the Canucks have. So, it’s not it it it’s not a deal killer for this season. The fact that they don’t have it shouldn’t be that they don’t have JT Miller anymore. That they don’t no longer have three centers of Miller, Horvat, and Person, which just seems unbelievable now when you say it out loud that these were their top three centers. And but still uh cuz I saw somebody I mentioned something about a top six and and they said well what top six? Let’s not forget okay you don’t have uh any superstar wingers either but you’ve got Brock Besser, Jake De Brusk, Connor Garland, Evander Kane, uh Kefir Sherwood. That’s essentially five guys who can score 20 to 30 goals. What the problem is is you have Ilas Person that everyone’s wondering, well, what is he going to be? Are we possibly going to see this 45point Person again? I I don’t think we’re going to see a 102 point Person, but can we see a 75point Person or or an 80? And then you have Philip Heedle who’s, you know, a really elegant, skilled player, but he’s had uh his serious concussion problems and has never scored like a second line center, which is which is now how they’re casting him. He’s and you know, he he said, I love this this quote from him before training camp started, that he doesn’t want to just play nice hockey because nobody cares about that. And in a way he’s true like his point was he has to have a bottom line. By the way, another guy really impressive the way he responded in that first game against Calgary scoring twice in the third period and last night he makes the mistake of the game the giveaway to Mania at the end of the second he took an offensive zone tripping penalty. So, again, there’s probably a lesson there about jud trying to make a judgment on two games because one game Heedle was a differencemaker. The other game he hurt his team. So, if you had to make an assessment right now on the two games, well, which one is it going to be? I think we need to I think we need to see more. But I I’ve said all along that at some point I think the Canucks will have to go get another center. I I’d have been, frankly, I’d have been shocked based on what Jim Rutherford said at his year-end press conference last season. If he’d told me then they’re not going to have another center here by the start of this season, uh, I’d have been I’d have been shocked. But you can see why because there has been next to no movement because everybody has money with this historic salary cap inflation. And because teams have money, even the bad teams think that that spending space, because they do the calculation, oh, hey, we can add, we can afford four more players. Hey, with four more players, we’ll be in the playoffs. Like, everybody thinks they’re going to be good just because the salary cap has gone up. But I’m pretty sure based on my Richmond High probability and statistics 12 that since there’s no more points available for each game that at the end of the year the teams that win are going to take those points from the teams that didn’t win. So there you can’t have 30 teams charging towards the playoffs. So anyways, that’s my little siloquy about the the lack of player movement. Also, you had Braden Coots and they’re giving him a chance now. He’s been quiet for two games now. Um, you know, he’s 18 years old. I don’t think uh anyone should reasonably expect that he’s going to make an impact at 18, but he has an opportunity here. And he earned the opportunity by going day by day, practice by practice, game by game through the preseason and proving that he belonged, that he could keep up, he could keep doing it. He’s got to prove that now. He’s got to, I think, show uh try to show a little more if he wants to have more than just a couple of games here. But listen, we’re not putting the blame on Braden Coots, but he he’s been a fantastic story and he has he has helped ease he and Ratu who they knew there was going to be on the team because they didn’t want to lose him on waiverss and I think Ratu quietly does some good things especially in the faceoff circle in Edmonton. I think Ratu was nine and two if I’m remembering correctly on a night where Person went three and 15. So Rawatu has some importance but these are both young centers. I think that has taken some or at least previously some of the urgency out to the search for another center but ultimately you can’t just uh in my opinion you can’t just go with what they have. There’s too much uncertainty with with Person although you know they’re they’re all in there there’s really no way out of this now. They’re all in on Person. Hopefully he he, you know, proves their faith wellounded. Um, but there’s a lot of uncertainty there because of Heedel’s injury history. Now Teddy Bluger’s out, which is kind of brought some of that urgency back uh about where they are at center ice. They’re going to have to get another center, I think. Yeah. If you’re a betting man, do you think Braden Coots is here in November? Uh, I I would say not, but I would have already lost all my money on because Braden Coots is here now. I I Yeah. Yeah. This is I don’t know if people realize honestly like we can talk about Well, it was 35 years ago that Peter Ned did it. Uh, I don’t think honestly people realize how difficult this is for an 18-year-old. And mostly because of the adaptation. mostly because of the absolute uh gulf, a gulf like the Pacific Ocean that exists between the caliber of junior hockey and the caliber of the National Hockey League, but also all the other uh things that go into, you know, the salary cap, the roster, uh waiver eligibility, all all the things that player development, you know, all the things that go into uh uh a team when it has to make a decision on a player like Braden Coots, very little of it is in favor of the 18-year-old. Most of it is in favor of I don’t want to say against the 18-year-old, but most of it is what works for the team is for the 18-year-old to go and have try and have a massive draft plus one season, which by the way, a lot of a lot of these top Canucks have had. If you look at, you know, Person’s uh draft plus one season and the difference it it made to him and and Quinn Hughes uh had, you know, time at the University of Michigan, which really helped him. Brock Besser won a national championship. I mean, these aren’t when people say, “Well, he’s got nothing to gain by going back to junior.” That’s absolute nonsense. Uh let’s remember Braden Coots as well was a point a game player. This wasn’t a hundred point player at age uh 17 18 in the Western Hockey League, but he’s got he’s got uh you know factors beyond just the skills and we can see how he skates, we can see how he shoots, but it’s that maturity. It’s that character he seems to have. Um just like with Bo Horvat, he’s he’s an he’s not a teenage soul, right? He’s an older soul than what his birth certificate says. He just has a lot of awareness and and obviously a huge hockey IQ. And when you combine those things to the skill set, you know, I I probably wouldn’t bet against him even if I had the chance, not that I have any money left because he’s already on the team, but I I I don’t think anything is impossible for him. I think I think he could be here in November, but he has to show more than what he’s been able to show these first two games. Yeah. No, this there’s I don’t think you ramble, Ian. I think you have the best answers. Honestly, I I’m hanging on every word truly. Well, you don’t have any choice. Where are you going to go? Like, you got to feain interest or something. So, so I think in all seriousness, you um because of your access, not just on TV, but actual reporting, I I love to hear what your thoughts are on Adam Foot. Just has he commanded already the the the respect of the room, the trust system. Just just tell us something about what you’ve noticed about the Adam foot and what he’s bringing to this team already. Well, first of all, it was it was a shock, I think, to everybody, most people in the organization that Rick left, even though had made it clear that, you know, he may not be back. Uh I think for a lot of players, uh they were they were surprised. Uh I I think most of them understood the position he was in. As Quinn said to me, there’s things in people’s families that the rest of us don’t know about that are issues as well. And there were there was some family issues for for Rick and about coaching in the US and back east. Um, but I think also some players were really disappointed and I don’t want to say angry because I don’t know them well enough to know if that was their emotion, but I know that there were players who were disappointed. So when the Canucks named Adam Foot uh as head coach uh for and again I don’t know all the players well enough but I would say almost all of that disappointment immediately dissipated and suddenly there was energy uh back because they all believe in Adam. the defenseman, you know, swear by him because he they’ve spent so much time under his tutelage. And and Adam uh is as Jim Rutherford said to me, you know, Adam is a thinker. like he I don’t know if it’s because he was this sort of ferocious shutdown defenseman, you know, or you know, his nose goes in four directions or what, but like he he doesn’t you don’t necessarily project when you watch Adam foot that this guy’s got a brilliant hockey mind, but I he’s really smart. He’s really smart and the players know that and especially the defenseman know that. So in my mind that there wasn’t much question that he had the knowledge to do this plus he’s basically apprenticed for two and a half years and it was a it was sometime during that time whether it was in year one that he was here year two that he started to think about whether he could be a head coach and Rick was talking to him about that like talk was there to support him and help him here’s what you got to do. Here’s what you need to know. Here’s how you should handle this, handle that. So, I I I thought that Adam absolutely has the capabilities to be a head coach, but you have to be able to get your team to execute. And I wondered, okay, they’ve played a certain way under Rick. Now, they’re changing how they attack with foot and they’re being more aggressive, and they’re getting their defense more active. It sounds great. Is it going to work? Because you can’t you can’t do that and the at the at the cost of the strength of your team, which was keeping the puck out of your net. Like look again, look at how the team’s built where the strengths are, the goalie, the defense, and then the forwards. So I wondered, okay, can you can you have both worlds here? Can you can you have this uh sort of rejigged system, updated system? let’s call it that. Uh tweaked somehow doesn’t sound enough to me and that’s the word everybody uses. But you know this this new system where you’re more aggressive, more entertaining, and score more and still be that team that’s really hard to score on, hard to break down in the defensive zone, very disciplined, very stout. And what I saw in the preseason was Yeah. Yeah. because we, you know, that’s how the Canucks played and the players seemed to universally embrace this idea. They were excited about it. Connor Garland told me, “You remember at training camp, the first meeting where they talked about um what they were going to do offensively, how they how they were going to change their attack, and they had a video, and he said he was so pumped up.” Of course, there’s different groups at training camp. Said he was texting everybody in the next group, “Oh, wait. Do you see this video? This is incredible. you guys are going to love. Like the players were really excited about it and then we saw that they they had a a really positive good preseason. On top of that, uh, you had sort of this this idea of culture or leadership and there was so much that spilled out into the public last year about the Conucks dressing room and about um, you know, the the leadership and about the dysfunction stemming from the Person Miller relationship and there was so much focus on that. Okay. How do you fix that? And Adam Foot knew how to fix it because the first thing he did uh when he became head coach is he arranged a meeting in Michigan and Person gave up his own time to fly over from Stockholm. Hughes and Thatcher Demco who moved to Michigan uh from San Diego I think a couple years ago, you know, they’re already there. So they had they had this dinner and they played golf and it was just talking about the team and it was talking about leadership and all through the summer foot reached out to players, talked to them, had Zoom calls and he actually brought the goo group together and he got them to accept that this is their team and they have to be accountable and but they have to want this as well. And you could feel that energy. And I I know it’s hard to quantify things like that. We’d all we’d love it all to just be about the analytics, right? Just look at some numbers and say, “Yeah, it works or it doesn’t.” Uh and maybe that’s the bottom line. Maybe, you know, you can argue that’s the byproduct of whatever else you’re doing is those numbers. But when you’re around the team, you could feel that energy, that excitement from players, which again is why to some extent th those jitters against Calgary were were understandable because I don’t remember the team ever being like straining at the starting gate like let’s go, let’s go, let’s go. Um, but then, you know, again, game two was was game two. But I I think that this can be a successful group. I think that that Adam Foot can be a successful head coach. I know that he has pulled the group together. I know that the players embrace, not just embrace, but you know, support and are excited at the idea of what this team can do and how it can play, but it’s all in the execution. And so now they have to execute and they have to execute uh a lot better than they did Saturday night against Edmonton. Yeah. Well, well said. Wow. And a lot of lot of love in the chat for you, Ian, referring to just loving all your explanations, the triple threat moniker that Sportsnet has has given you. Yes. And I always tell people I’m of a certain vintage and I love the Montreal Expose. So when I hear triple threat, I think of Andre Dawson. Yes. Yes. Very, very good. Another another thing for the more homework for viewers YouTube Andre Dawson highlights. Yes. remember throwing throwing a guy out at first base on a single to right field. Wow, that’s very impressive. That’s very impressive. Do you care? Quick answer. Do you care? Blue Jays Mariners. Yeah, I’d like the Toronto Blue Jays to do well. I am Canadian. Yeah, you are. That’s And you know what? It’s funny because I remember writing this column. Um I Yeah, I had to be trying to think when Seattle was awarded their team. like it took a couple years. But anyways, I wrote a column about Seattle getting an NHL team and I made the point that in some respects like culturally it feels and certainly geographically it feels like we have as much in common with Seattle and Portland in Vancouver. Yeah. As we do with Toronto or Montreal or Halifax. But somehow with the Blue Jays, it’s it’s Canada’s team. And uh you know, our our hockey teams have struggled. Our hockey teams have not, you know, won a won a cup since 1993. It would be nice if the baseball team, if our if our only baseball team could have some success because it it has been near as I can tell, and I don’t cover baseball, but it’s been uh a franchise that’s really done its best to try and win and uh has some great young players. Maybe not unlike, you know, where the Canucks were a few years ago. They they acquired these young players and now they’re still trying to figure out a way to turn that into a championship to build around them. But I sure like the team that they’ve built this year around the Guerrero and Bishette. Well, that’s why they’re best in. We started off by not talking Canucks. We ended off by not talking about Conucks, but you were able to tie it into the Conucks at the very end. Honestly, that was the fastest 40 minutes I think of um in a long time. I’m going to have to bring you on just solo. Forget this live stream. I I’m just going to pick you up, bring you over, have sit you right next to me because we could talk for hours. But Ian, thank you. Um, I’m I’m very grateful for your time and especially on Thanksgiving weekend and thank you for your support of me on this channel. It’s very grateful. Well, I’m happy to come on with you, uh, Clay. Uh, and I can’t believe you’re doing this on Thanksgiving weekend. Like, are you going to eat some turkey tonight? Uh, had that last night, but I looked at the Canucks schedule. I am going to St. Louis Blues game. Hopefully, I’ll stay awake tomorrow. So, um, this is a perfect 24-hour. We did both my the emo side and Gail side yesterday. So, we’re good. We got it covered. We got it covered. Yeah. Good. Who Who’s up next? Who’s coming on after me? Um Rick Dollywal. And I’ll tell you very a very funny story. Last year he didn’t even know how to work Streamyard. Um so I had to hold up my phone to the mic to the microphone for 40 minutes because he I had to call him. But okay. But I think he’s going to I think he figured out for this year, so we’ll see. Yeah. All right. Is he is he on deck? Is he waiting for me to get off? Uh no. I haven’t seen him yet, but I I expect him to pop backstage in the next two minutes. He better. That’s the point. All right, cuz I can ramble some more. You know, the 40 minutes for me, that’s like four answers. It actually was four answers. That that’s that’s why I worked for a broad sheet newspaper and not the tabloid so that I would I would have room to write. You know, a thous a thousand words in I’d be clearing my throat and say, “Okay, now this is my point.” So, no. Um I wouldn’t call it rambling, but I I do appreciate how thorough you are. How’s that? H well happy I can help. I’m I’m glad I’m glad that my flaws such as rambling at times have some benefit to society. So no happy to come on. Good luck with good luck with the uh let’s see 20 hours and 45 minutes to go. I’m almost at the quarter. No, not even. I’m almost at the one. Uh I’ll figure out the math later. Rich and H. How do you do bathroom breaks? Um, so actually please don’t tell me you have like a bottle under the desk and No, no, just my I will say this. I needed to fit Landon Murf, you and Rick uh four guests in 3 hours. So that’s why it’s 45 minutes as opposed to an hour. After this though, I retain an hour per guest only. Still only 35 minutes chat, but then I that gives me 20 to 25 minutes to wrap up to do sponsor reads and to use the restroom. So I actually take a a 10-minute break at the end of every hour starting next hour, if that makes sense. All right. Okay. Well, good luck with that. Well, we’ll make it work. Thanks. Thanks, Ian. Happy Thanksgiving and we’ll talk soon. Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you to everyone for putting up with me and for watching the show and supporting Clay. Ah, thanks. Ian, you’re the best. Take care. We’ll talk soon. All right. See you, buddy. Hi. That is my Steve neighbor. I see Rick is backstage. This is amazing. Rick, I need a 30 second uh wardrobe change and then we’re going to throw to you. So, stay tuned everyone. In 30 seconds, we’re bringing on the incomparable Rick Dollywall. Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. How’s that for the fastest costume change ever? Yes, I did that in 30 seconds while my bumper music played just so I can welcome Rick properly. So, we go from Ian McIntyre, the best to another best. Let’s bring him on. He actually figured out how to work this thing. The one and only Rick Dollywal. Can you hear me? I can hear you. And I can see it’s a miracle. Oh, it’s a Thanksgiving miracle. I am so bad with technology. I I I’m going to be honest with you. I hate technology. Um I’m a newspaper, TV, radio guy. I’m still stuck in the 80s. Uh I I really hate technology. I hate all this. I hate Zoom because every time I go on Zoom, I went on Kipper show in Toronto. Yeah. Yeah. And it looked like I was 400 lb and I had like seven chins. And I’m because I’m not doing the camera right for How do I look right now? I got my Lions jersey on. You look great. Yeah. People don’t know. Um Donnie and I are huge Lions fans because, you know, we went to Empire Stadium. I and I I don’t expect you Clay to know this, but uh in the late 70s it was Jerry Taggy and the Cardiac Kids and then Roy Dewalt came. Fernandez and my good pal Nick Hebler uh who I love is my favorite beasty line of all time. The 85 Lions team is the best team of all time. It’s not even close. There is there will never be a team as dominant and as good as the BC Lions uh 85 team. So Donnie and I are are huge Lions fan. It’s, you know, um, Soccer Bowl 79, 82 Canucks. So again, I’m stuck in the 80s. I’m stuck in the late7s. I don’t like the cell phones and the laptops and and this stuff. This what are we on a Zoom? All this stuff. It drives me insane. It just drives me like I’m just such an oldfashioned guy. I don’t even know how to hook up a podcast. Like Donnie gets mad at me because I don’t listen to the podcast. And then I tell him, “Look, when I get in my car, all right, it’s Jack FM.” Yeah. Right. It’s CFMI Rock 101. Yeah. It’s 92.9 Bellingham. That That That’s where I get my tunes because you know what? hats, the hard rock, and all the 80s stuff that uh I love. I I I don’t think I know a song past about 2000. I I I don’t think I know any songs, but I all I listen to is 80s music. Those are my stations. And I listen to Bruff and Rough in the mornings going to work. Uh so I’ll have them on. Um, you know, I was in the gym this morning, uh, and I was texting with Bruff, uh, about the game last night and, uh, we were go, we we weren’t as negative as you would think. And Clay, I got to ask you, you got to be the most positive guy I have ever known in my life. And thank you. You know, there’s something to that because we live in a really negative society. Like, and Twitter, there’s so many bad people on Twitter. There’s so much negativity. It it it saps the energy out of you. You know what I mean? It just saps the energy out of you and everyone’s got an agenda and everyone’s bashing someone and everyone’s, you know, it’s just a lot of negativity and hate on Twitter. I don’t know how you do it or you maintain a positive attitude, but like I I commend you. Like um you are one of the very few people I know that maintains that positivity through and through. Thank you, Rick. Thank you. Well, so much uh I don’t know. I I think it’s a bit of a reflection on my overall outlook on life to be honest with you. And I try and keep things in perspective. I blessed to be married to a lovely wife. Uh we have three amazing kids. You met them in Whistler a few years ago, I remember. So, uh no, the I love my team. I spend a lot of time, energy, and money on this team as you know. But, um I still managed to keep it in perspective. By the way, by the way, um the fact that you admit that you hate technology and last year you probably remember and I’ve had given you heck over it. I had I couldn’t I couldn’t get you hooked up. I had to hold up the phone for 40 minutes. But but this year and thank you for popping in during my first hour. I I saw you pop in backstage cuz I knew that that tells me that you’re taking this seriously. You want to look and sound your best for this community here. Look at this. Look at this Lions jersey. Oh, I love this. Uh, you know, it’s just uh the Lions gave Donnie and I a jersey each last year. Yeah. Um, and just like they know the Lions know that we are big supporters of the team, right? Right. So they came in and they they gave us their jersey each and you know the White Caps do that too and well the Conucks don’t because they hate us but anyways the White Caps Lions Ron Toyo he’s got some golf jerseys coming for Donnie and I and u but you know nobody wants to be negative uh Clay about the hockey team but here’s what I and and I understand the fandom and I understand people don’t want to hear anything negative about the team. Hey, like Donnie says all the time, you know, we don’t go to work going, “Geez, I hope they uh lose last night 7 to1.” It’s it’s better for us to talk about a 71 victory than a 7-1 loss. And you know what? But in the last 14 years, and I’m not going to count the bubble because I don’t think the bubble is fair because they lucked out because the season stopped on a certain date and they were in a few percentage points ahead of another team. But there’s been two playoff appearances, one by Jim Benning and the one two years ago in the last 14 years. Each and and here’s where I get mad. You’ve given two playoff appearances in 14 years to the most intelligent, rabid fan base in the National Hockey League. You’re a season ticket holder. At some point, you must be saying, too, geez, I really hope there’s something to cheer about and not another playoff year. And like most of the media is in the same boat. We we don’t go into it like last night. I didn’t go into that game thinking, you know, I hope you guys get slaughtered. I you know, we kind we we hope there that like two years ago when they went to game seven against Edmonton. That was a great year. That’s what you know, you want to cover, but you want to cover that year after year because it draw it it drains the sack out of us too, right? Yeah. They’ve only had one playoff appearance in the last uh six years. I think it could, you know, we want to see wins, too. It’s And as Donnie says, you know, and Donny’s been covering this team probably longer than anyone in locally. You had Ian McIntyre on, and Ian’s such a great guy and a great reporter. Ian, uh, he’s been covering the team for a long time, you know, for the Vancouver Sun. And you know what? We want to see victories just in playoff runs like the one two years ago. We don’t sit there and go, I hope they lose so we can hammer them. That’s just a that’s a false narrative that people have. That’s not the way we think. That’s not the way we It’s better for us if they do better, the Canucks. And you know, right now I look at the Lions, the best Canadian quarterback in the CFL. They’re 6-2 uh in their past eight. They should be seven to one, but they blew that game in Ottawa. And that’s where I I threw my TV remote against the wall because, you know, the defense blew it in the last minute. That really pissed me off. And the White Caps, they go and get this international star and they’ve captivated the market. Yeah. You know what Thomas Mueller’s doing right now is what Ellis Penderson should be doing, being a dominant player. Did you see him last night? Not that I saw it because the the the the dum dums in that league elected to not put them on cable. I can’t find the games. So I spent 40 minutes trying to find the games. I can’t find the games. I give up. Right. And so anyways, you saw Mueller’s goal last night, snapping a 1-1 tie. And that was that’s what hockey fans want to see from Patterson. Grab the bull by the horns. Be the guy. You’re the highest paid guy on the team. Go be that guy. be the McDavid drives pedal McKinnon. You know, uh, one of the funnest players for me to watch is McKinnon because he’s got gear 2, three, four, and the way he flies through the neutral zone. It reminds me of Pavle Bur with the speed. But be that guy. And I think that’s all fans want to see. I see a lot of hate for Patterson, you know, today. But I will say this, nobody wants to see that guy fail. They just want to see that guy return to his 102 point form, the 90 points plus. That’s not, you know, and I I’ll say this to you, Clay. Brian Burke said it best. You do not want to be the highest paid player on a team and underachieve in a Canadian market. You can get away with that in Carolina and Columbus. You cannot get away with that in Vancouver. You can’t. The int the fan base is too intelligent. that it’s it’s hockey is number one. You just can’t cheat on effort. You can’t cheat anywhere with hockey fans in Vancouver. You can’t. But nobody wants to see this kid fail. They want to see the kid return to his old form. And you know, I I think he’s been okay. There’s been little spurts in the first two games, but everybody just wants to see a different maker, difference maker. And I don’t think that’s um asking too much when you’re making 11.6 to be a differencemaker that because if you’re not one, I’m pretty sure the second line center and the third line center and the fourth line center aren’t going to be difference makers. It’s on you. And they can’t afford a 45point season again from Patterson. They just can’t. They if they do get another 45 point season from them, then it’s not going to be a good year in Vancouver. Yeah. Yeah. Rick, this is awesome. I don’t even have to ask a question. I just like listening to you. You’re No, you got uh I uh I’m all fired up. I was in the gym. Me and Bruff were texting. Bruff and rough. Bruff and rough there in the mornings on 650. By the way, did you notice I put this on just for you? You like it? Yeah. What is it? I got to get my glasses on. Hawaiian shirt. Hawaiian shirt just for you. Oh, you got you got you got a Hawaiian shirt. Okay, that’s nice. Cuz I was not wearing this when Ian was on. So, I had when I played my intro, I had 30 seconds to rip off my other shirt. Doesn’t sound right. I put on this one just for you. Just for you. I I I love Hawai people say to me, “Why do you like Because I wear a Hawaiian shirt every Friday.” Yes. And I grew up with Magnum PI and Hawaii 5 and I’ve been to Hawaii Beach, you know, two, three times. I loved it there. I just think it’s absolutely uh phenomenal. So, and and the Hawaiian people are so nice. Like, my goodness, these guys are I think the Hawaiian people, Canadians and Swedes are the nicest people on earth. I I I you know over the course of the the years and when we did get technology I I you know I would call people in Sweden for you know connect information and these guys I it doesn’t matter who I reached out to a GM or a scout or a coach just totally accommodating. They they totally help you out. They’re just the nicest people. I haven’t had to call Hawaii for any Kucks related people, but uh maybe spend day. I know if I did, they wouldn’t be just accommodating as the Swedes. Yes, I will ask you about that in a second. And by the way, my mother Joyce, who’s as you know, one of your biggest fans, she says hello as well. Okay, you mentioned Friday. You mentioned Hawaiian shirts. I want to mention that this year a change on your show when it comes to comes to Fridays. What’s going on? Yeah, Donny’s uh Donniey’s gonna take Fridays off and it’s just me and the kid Henderson. When you are when you are a legend like Donny’s I I think Donniey’s in his fourth decade. I’m in my third decade. This is my 36th year in radio and TV and Donny’s in his fourth decade. And one of the things that people don’t realize and ah you guys 2 hour days ah you know 10 to 12 2hour days that just cannot be the farthest from the truth like Donnie and I get in there around 7:30 quarter to 8erson comes in later these young kids they don’t get it but and so so we’re in there early right then the twoour show then we go home and then we got to prepare for the the show the next day we got to do research. I got to call agents. I got to do this. I got to do that. When the Conucks play, that’s six hours for us. The game postgame getting all collecting all your thoughts. It is not a two-hour day. And one thing that Don Taylor has never done in his entire life is cheat on effort. To this day, from his first day, he puts in the time. The the the time and effort. Donnie and I don’t both cheat. We don’t cheat on effort. We don’t cheat our bosses. We ha we I firmly believe and Donnie does too. Uh you got to work hard. I don’t care if you’re just starting out, you’re in the middle, you’re at the end like Don and I that like I try and get better every day. I try and work harder every day. I don’t take any day for granted. This industry has kicked our ass the last few years. You saw what happened at Team 1040. Y I don’t take I like I’m at the end like Donnie and I are at the end anyways. I feel for those young kids that are going to broadcasting school, that that’s who I feel for. My heart goes out to those kids because, you know, if you’re if you’re a kid going to BCIT for radio and TV, um you know, where’s the jobs? You know, where’s I feel for those kids like, hey, look, I could call it quits tonight. I’ve had a good long run. I’m okay walking away from the game. Uh, but one of the other reasons why, you know, Donnie and I are in decades three and four is we love our jobs. And when you love your job, it’s not a job. It’s like I get up in the morning and um the first thing I do, I want to take a helicopter to work because I I want to get there right away. You know, the other day, you know, um the Flames game and I had to find out uh early in the morning. One of the things that helps me is I get I get to get to my eastern base sources early and I was a little worried even though there was no major in those two hits from behind. Sometimes the NHL will suspend a player even if there’s no penalty on the play. Yeah. So I got up extra early um I got up extra early uh to call back east and and I wanted that information. Any anything out of the Canucks game and I was told no. Um, but we we love our jobs and the passion. Like when Donnie and I get to work, we we don’t talk about work for the 10 first 10 15 minutes. We just tell jokes, shits, and giggles, you know, and just rip everyone in the market. Just No, I’m just kidding. But we just uh we we we just uh we just have fun. And then Henderson comes in 20 minutes later, we’ll rip him and then we’ll get to work. But we have a lot of fun. And you know, we have a lot of fun. But it’s that longevity. Don Taylor’s had longevity because he’s good at what he does. One of the things that people don’t realize about Don is, and you never will unless you work with him, is the creativity. Like you don’t understand like uh how creative he is. And look, I’m not going to lie to you. I did uh I did 32 years of radio. And look, I don’t got a face for television. I I I was scared, right? I I was really really scared. I didn’t have a clue how this Don guided us through, right? Me and Ryan. And it it was him who said, “Calm down. Take a deep breath.” You know, it’s it’s only a camera. But here’s the problem with the cameras. These these freaking cameras do add 10 pounds. Like like I’m I I I I I like if you look at the camera the wrong way, all of a sudden you got five chins. Like it drives me insane. I always tell them, I go, “Don’t isolate the camera on me.” Even though I’m not overweight, but these it is true. These cameras do they petrify the out of me. Like when I was telling them just isolate, Don, don’t put the camera on me. But, um, I’m just, uh, I’m just so happy for Don that he went down to four days a week. Uh, Fred Latcho, the great, uh, Vancouver DJ, was I worked with him in the mid 90s when he was doing four days a week? Um, and I think Bro Jake, was Bro Jake not down to four days a week? I, uh, Bro Jake still textes me. I I I love Bro Jake. I I think he’s I’ve worked with a ton of super talented people and bro Jake’s right on the top of my list. Like he he’s a really talented dude and he just texted me the other day. He’s still going strong, doing great stuff. But I I’m so happy for Don and you know it gives Ryan an opportunity. Ryan, we do bug Ryan a lot, but he is a really good kid. Works hard and we do give it to him. Donnie and I gang up on him, you know, because we’re the old two guys, right? Old old guys, right? Yeah. And he’s the young guy. We do gang up on him, but we do love him and he’s really good at what he does and we’re lucky to have him. It’s just not Donnie and Dolly. No, you know, it’s it’s it’s all three of us. And Derek uh does a great job in there, too. But, um, look, I don’t know where our our industry is going. I I I worry for the young kids and the jobs down the road that are going to BCIT. I really I really do care about those kids and I worry about them. Our our industry is in trouble, you know, TV, newspapers and radios. Uh that’s what I grew up with. You know, I was the kid at 3:30 waiting on the stairs for the paper boy to throw the paper at us and so I could run to the sports section to see uh the Canucks stats, Lions stats and the White Cap stats. And you know, I grew up on CK&W, you know, and Jim Robson who the best there ever was, right? And television sports page and before that I grew up on Makichi, Pascal, Hulahan. Like I missed that. I miss those days. But as I told somebody, um, human beings hate change because we get set in our habits and we don’t want our habits to change. And all this change is really affected me. It bothers me. I hate it. But I also understand like when 1040 went down, that was the clear indication that things are changing. And when a great station like that with that quality talent, yes, blows it up like that, they blew that thing to smitherines. And I’ll tell you something right now, 1040 was doing it right. They they had the right talent. Um they had experience. They sounded great. But when they blew that thing out and that was an indicator to me that times are changing and either get on board or get out and I’ve had to get on board. As much as I fight it and I hate it, I hate Twitter. Um I I I I think there’s too many negative people on it. Not everybody. There’s a good percentage of people that are are are good. All my followers, I respect them. I I have all the time in the world for them. And if anybody ever DMs me, I try and return the DM right away. If you follow me, I care for you and I I always will, but I I sometimes there’s a lot of negative bad people and it it it we have public jobs, Clay. We have very public jobs. You know, you know that guy that works building a house and he’s two inches off and they got to redo the kitchen. Guess what? He gets in trouble from his boss and maybe two other people privately. Like when we make a mistake, we get it. Like Yeah. You know, we we’ll get a text to the show like 10 minutes before or during Dollywal, you’re an idiot. Donnie, you’re an idiot. Ryan, you’re an idiot. Like we’re we’re human beings. Like, you know, it’s, you know, nobody human beings like pats on the back. They don’t like to be criticized, right? And we have very public jobs. Um, it sometimes it bothers me that they’re too public because people get to get their shots in on us. Listen, here’s the other thing, Clay. Not everybody likes me or or Don or or Ryan. We all have people that like us and we all have people that don’t. No single human being on Earth has everybody liking them because we all got different DNA and different thoughts and different likes and dislikes. And I’m okay with that. But, you know, I think that and I was talking to Bruff this morning about that as well. It’s it’s we have very public jobs and sometimes it, you know, kind of gets to you the negativity, but we keep plowing away. I know one thing all connect fans want is a Stanley Cup and that’s all that matters. And sometimes we do have to be negative and sometimes, you know, but for the positive, look at they beat Calgary the other night. I sent out a real nice, hey, great effort. you know, he’ll, you know, a lot of people responded to the tweet. People like positivity, but there’s a lot of negativity on Twitter as well. Yep. No, well said, Rick. And I want to say a couple things and I want to ask you a couple questions uh while I have you. Um the chemistry between you and the respect and the fun that you, Don, and Ryan have off the charts. And that’s why I think people love watching your show. So, uh kudos to you for that. And I want to ask you, I always quick to say that locally of all the local reporters, I trust you the most when it comes to insider knowledge and and and breaking news. You never ever as to my knowledge, uh you’ve never ever done clickbait just to pump up your your own tires. You’re always right on just like I think Elliot Friedman is nationally. I trust him a lot because I don’t think he ever does that as well. With respect to you, you’ve worked so hard to build up your your network of contacts, agents, reporters, whatever it may be. Um, uh, be honest. Do you take pride in in reporting accurately, but quickly, or is that like kind of no big deal? It’s just part of your job. Or do you take pride in that? I, uh, first of all, let me say this. We’re human beings. We make mistakes. It’s okay to make mistake. You can’t get like the only way you get successful in life, you got to fall down. You got to get up. We make mistakes. And like I said, we have public jobs. So when we make mistakes, people let us know. I’m not perfect. I have made mistakes. But I always say only the people in life that make mistakes are the ones that are trying. Yes. If a guy isn’t trying, he’s never going to make a mistake. Exactly. If you’re trying, you’re going to make mistakes. And and hey, I’ve had my fair share. And you know what? It’s not it’s not for any other reason than I was trying. I try and do my best uh for my Twitter followers. Uh I do not like you say just clickbait. I don’t believe in clickbait. I believe in reporting honestly if uh and my my my I got a I got a a little scoop a couple of days ago. Um I I always feel that you have to have two to three people verify that info. I don’t go on the air unless it’s verified two or three times and then I feel somewhat uh you know comfortable, right? Unless it’s coming directly from the source and then of course it’s the source and you can go with it. But um I I I try I I I try I try. I’m not always going to be right. Um I’m a human being. I make mistakes. But I I have built up and people ask me, “Well, how do you build up this trust with agents? Every single agent I know at one point I had to cold call them.” You know what I mean? Um, I had to pick up the phone and go, “Hey, it’s Rick in Vancouver at CKWX radio. Uh, you just uh got a connect client. U you know, hey, hey, hey.” Um, you then you got to build a relationship, you know, then you I remember Mike Le saying to me because I always I always drop fbombs with the agents and I remember Mike Le saying to me, “Geez, Dolly Ball, now I’m swearing and my wife’s all over me. It’s because of you.” So, and and and so because I always drop F bombs when I’m talking to these guys, but you know what it is? It’s a it’s it’s about trust. The moment I break trust with that source, I’m done. I’m done. I’m done. You you could build up a source for six years, have him as a source, and then you could blow it by being stupid and not trusting them. So, I I have, you know, I have a network of people I go to uh every day and people text me out of the blue and say, “Hey, are you hearing this? Are you hearing that?” Um, I have other teams. I have other, you know, it’s just not Conucks, you know, you know, the Western Hockey League. I can, you know, call scouts and say, “Hey, what do you think of Braden Coots?” Then I can I can call a scout and say, “Hey, what do you think about this kid?” you know, uh, Manny Mahalra’s kid was in Chilowak last year, and so I I I I texted a scout and I said, “What do you think of him?” It’s just that I don’t like talking about players without doing info on the background. And Manny’s kid is off to a great start in the OHL. I think he’s going to be a late first round pick, but he’s off to a really good start. I want to talk about Manny over the course of this uh when we get some time because I I don’t know if you know, but he did some great work on the weekend. I’ll tell you why in Henderson. But anyways, it look uh there’s a lot of good reporters in Vancouver. I’m not better than any one of them. Every singlebody in Vancouver is good. Every singlebody in Vancouver brings something to the table. The moment I think I’m better than them, I’m done. I’m not. There’s nobody. Actually, there’s nobody better than anyone else. Just go to work. Be humble. shut the hell up and do your job and and work long hours and put the time and effort in and things should fall into place. But, you know, I and I’ll tell you like when I look I sit next to Dawn every day. He’s got no ego. He’s got no pride. But there are young kids that do have that and they’re going down the wrong road. Before you have an ego in our industry, how about spending some time in our industry? You know, how about spending some time and paying your dues? You know, Donnie was up in Dawson Creek. I was up in Fort St. John in the 80s, 90s. I I I would never cough up that time. But now, uh, radio stations, it’s it’s shoestring budgets. Everybody gets on the air. It’s different. You don’t have to pay your, uh, uh, Hold on a sec here. Uh, I got an agent text me. One sec. Just give me Can I Can I go out? I can I go out of this off the screen? Can Will I lose you? No, just click on the link, whatever. or or put yourself on mute so you can talk to this guy. Ah jeez, I’m not going to tell you. I’ve been working on that. You know what? I you’ll have to wait, but it’s a it’s a it’s a it’s a little bit of information. Anyways, where was I? So, Donnie Donnie is up in four, you know, but now you don’t have to to you don’t have to pay your dues because you string budgets and everybody gets on the air. But I would never cough up those five years I spent all over BC, Alberta, meeting people in up north. Uh Donnie and I rave about the people up north and how they helped us in tough times and and you know uh the people in the 90s up in Fort St. John those are my best friends still and you know some of them are you know I have never lost contact with the people who help me. Uh you cannot get anywhere in life without help and I know the people that help me and I will never forget the people that help me and it’s our job to help people as well. So when kids contact me for can I talk about the business or do you have some advice for me? I take time to help them because that’s my job, you know, to help somebody help me get to where I am. I have to help somebody get to where they are. BCIT will call me up and say, “Can you talk to the kids?” And I make sure I do because um that’s that’s not fair. You know, we have to give back. We have to give back. But do you have do you have to text that agent back because I can I can excuse you and you can come back in. No, no, no, no, no. Just Clay, stop. Stop. I I’ll get to him. It’s a bigname agent, but I’ll just don’t worry about it. So, I can tell people Clay Clay Clay. Uh, now I lost what I was going to say for crying out loud. Um, uh, but it it’s it’s all good. It’s all good. It’s all It’s all good. It’s all It’s all good. Well, I just want to tell everyone that you actually uh ghosted a bigname agent to stay on the line with me. That’s amazing, man. Thank you. I’ll get to I saw the text. I know what he what he wrote. I just got responding. Fair enough. No, it’s very fitting. We were just talking about that. Okay. I got you about five or seven more minutes. Let’s do this. Let’s do this. Um you mentioned, and I don’t want to get in trouble here, but you mentioned off the top that the Canucks don’t like you. Just kidding. You were kidding. Or do the Conucks actually not like you? Well, they they they they monitor all the shows. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, we’re negative and and sometimes Henderson complains about the speech all the time and that doesn’t help us. Uh but no, you know, they monitor they they know who’s positive, who’s negative. It’s they they got they got people um uh that monitor all like 650, all other shows, us. So, they’re aware of the market. They know who’s positive, who’s negative, which is fine. Look, if they lose 7-1, well, how the hell are we going to be positive? If they win 7-1, how are we going to be negative, right? So, it’s give and take. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s bad. Uh, but I I will say this, uh, I love the BC Lions. I love the White Caps. I love the Vancouver Giants. I loved Ernie Punch McLean’s New West Bruins. Uh, all those and and I love the Vancouver Conucks just as much. And you know the 82 team like I told you u uh kale kale I eat kale every day. Uh Clay Clay anyway I’m a big uh health nut so I was thinking kale for some kale is awful by the way but I got to eat it the freaking doctor that these doctors all they do it’s disgusting. Broccoli’s disgusting. Clay kale is disgusting but I eat it every day. Anyways what was that? Don’t eat clay. Don’t eat clay. As Donnie says, we want to see these guys win a cup, right? We want to, but I mean, it’s been two playoff appearances in 14 years. It, you know, it’s grinding the hell out of media, fans, everybody, right? Like, they just want to see not just a winner, but a perennial winner. Like, go on a 10 years in a row in the playoffs kind of run. You know what I mean? Remember Detroit went 20 plus in the playoffs and and when Ken Holland was there all those years. But hey, look, it’s it’s always uh everyone in the market’s got an up and down relationship with the Kucks, but they do they should know that everybody just wants to see a winner. That’s that’s all we want to see is a winner. Yep. No, I love it. Love it. All right, Rick, tell me um this this is awesome, man. I could listen to you all day. Uh for the last five minutes or so, just tell me one thing uh you’re excited about this team. It could be a particular player, a style, whatever. one thing you’re excited about and one thing that uh maybe that we should keep an eye on because maybe you have some inside knowledge or you just think hey fans don’t forget about this. So, give me Yeah. One thing you’re excited about, one thing to keep in mind. First of all, that Demco um unbelievable. Think about where he was a year ago today. Mentally, physically, it was a grind. You think it was easy for that guy to go through what he did with the Paplatas? It wasn’t easy. It was a mental, physical grind. So happy for the guy. He should have been star 123 last night. Honestly, Conucks have no right to be in that game. It could have been ended up 81 91. Uh, I texted my USA Olympic source this morning and Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Demp’s on the radar. Uh, they noticed. They noticed, right? Um, Demco is going to climb back into that Olympic talk of the Americans real fast. Um, I obviously Hela Bucks got the inside track. Uh, but Stan Bowman, who’s with the USA management, he’s right there. He he saw him last night, right? So, um, one thing I like about Denko, he told his agent, I want to resign in Vancouver. That guy had, you know what’s funny? Demco, Garland, and Besser told their agents to resign in Vancouver, and they don’t have, they haven’t had a ton of success in Vancouver. You know, everybody’s hoping Quinn um win for Quinn, by the way. Win for Quinn. Everybody’s hoping that Quinn Hughes resigns. But isn’t it a funny that three Americanb born players, Demco, Garland, and Bster, told their agents to resign in Vancouver. Isn’t that funny? You know, isn’t that funny? and and so now we’re, you know, Conucks are going to be hoping a fourth American, Quinn Hughes does the same thing. Uh Braden Coots, love the kid. Uh but I think that uh keep an eye on Teddy Bluger when he returns. Um they really like it looks like to me Ratu in that fourthline center role. So if Bler returns, I think C I think we all know Cooch needs to be back in Seattle, be the captain. He’s going to play for Canada at the World Juniors. The pro the future is bright with uh with Coots 100%. Manny Maholra. Okay. When they posted the Abbott lineup Friday, I it just about fell down. Did you know that it wasn’t great? He’s got six guys in Vancouver, right? He’s got a bunch of new guys. Jeff Woo is out till December. Breeze bossed out, you know, four, five months. That’s his first shutdown period. Did you see the blue line? The guy won both games. The guy won both games on the weekend. Who wins two games like that with that crew? You know, there wasn’t much speed or skill at the forward group. I I By the way, I just think Manny I don’t know how long they’re going to be able to keep Manny because I think uh if he does wonders with them again this year. Um I don’t know. Like that guy’s destined to go places. But I just can’t believe they came out of Henderson with two wins uh on the weekend. Uh hold on a sec. Uh where where was it? Uh what’s his name? Tom Wanderer. Uh I talked to a a scout. He he was okay. I think we’re going to need time with uh Wanderer down there. He was the go-to guy at Boston College, right? So, he’s not the go-to guy right now. He’s got to find his comfort zone in pro hockey. And I think he tries to do too much at times, but I like this guy, you know, great skater. Um eventually when Meyers leaves Vancouver, Wanderers should be able to just step right into his role, second pair, right side. Right. Right. Right. and and be that guy for years and years. And Mancini, here’s another thing that’s hurting the Canucks right now. Actually hurting Absburg. You got Carlson and Mansini sitting in the press box. They can’t play for either Canucks team and it’s hurting Absburg that they’re up high sitting and not playing because if you’re going to sit up in Vancouver, just go down to Abby, you know, and you know, just go down to Abbeby and play. But this Mansini guy, you should have heard Ray Ferraro on our show raving about Mansini. Um, you should have heard him raving about Mancini. It was something else. He really likes him a lot. That’s good. So do we. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and one of the reasons the JT Miller trade took so long is because uh they wouldn’t put Mancini in it and it kept going on and on and they finally relented. The Canucks pro scouting did a really good See, there’s something positive. The Canucks pro scouting did a really good job on Mancini and uh this is this guy’s going to be a good guy because they need Person the defenseman to go to the left side his natural position at some point, right? Yeah. So then you got Wanderer and W and Mansini which is really two good young guys, right? No, that’s a No, that’s exciting because you could see a blue line in three or two years once Myers is done of of Hughes hopefully if he stays and then DPD Kirrativ and and Marcus Patterson on the right side. Yeah, Man City Wanderer and Heronic. That’s pretty good. That’s pretty good. Very good. Very good. I think there’s some good blue liners coming. The only thing I’m concerned about is the 2024 draft. Uh picks one and two traded. They took the Swedish kid round three. They traded him for Marcus Patterson. Um, it’s going to be tough to yield a player from the 2024 draft who will become a regular because you know the odds of a kid making it decrease considerably after rounds one, two, three. Right. Right. But look at Ellias Patterson. He he’s proven everyone wrong. Right. The 2020 draft and the 2024 draft I don’t think will yield uh well the 2020 draft did not yield a player for the Canucks. You can go back and check. and 2024. That’s why I’m a little bit hesitant to cough up any more first round picks. They did such a good job on Coots and Medvidev. I think that Medvidev goalie is going to be something else. There’s the importance of keeping your picks. If they didn’t keep their picks and traded them, they wouldn’t have got Coots and Medvidev. And and so 2024, uh that’s why it’s important to keep picks because when you trade them, the odds of a kid making it in your draft, especially first second rounders gets a whole lot less. Wow, Rick, I knew I knew we were going to go hard for the last five minutes when you put your glasses on, you pull out your sheet of paper. So, thank you. That was awesome. Well, I I I I gonna tell you something right now. I I am brutally honest about myself. I I I I can’t go on the air without everything written out. I can’t ad li like Brook Ward is the best ad liber I’ve ever seen. Brook Ward, if you stuck him in a booth with no papers, he could talk for nine hours. He could talk for n I can’t do that. I need papers in front of me. I need everything. I’m a real big I drive my family nuts. I’m a organizational freak. Like I the house has got to be clean. My office has got to be clean. all my I I’m just an organizational freak and I think that’s a very underrated thing is is I I I find that people that are organized uh go a lot farther and I’m just that guy. I got to write everything down, right? So, uh but there are guys like Brook Ward and Lee Powell, two of my buddies, who would go and just talk for 40 minutes off the top of their head. I don’t have that ability. I can’t do that. I can’t do that. I need everything written down. And Donniey’s the same way. It’s just that I type mine. Donnie just scribbles on a a paper and he reads it. But we’re both uh really really need everything written down. And that’s a big part of the way I do it. And uh but uh yeah, that’s why I got everything written down because I I I just can’t add live like some other people can. No, that’s awesome, Rick. You’re awesome. This was the fast 40 minutes, but I do got to get ready for my next guest. It’s JP Pat. So, I I had I’ve had amazing guests. And Patterson, hey, tell that bum uh to give you some golf lessons. Uh he he’s a really good golfer, but what he doesn’t tell people is that he he was golfing when he was 15, 16, 17, 18. Right. So, the rest of the media, we’re we like I’ll hit a ton of good shots and I’ll hit a ton of bad. But one thing Patterson’s got, he’s got a really nice uh swing and he doesn’t kill the ball. And tell that freaking idiot to give me some golf lessons because uh golfing with him is not fun because he’s so consistent and so good. But he’s a good guy, Patterson. I like him and uh he’s on next with you. Keep keep me longer. Don’t you don’t have to tell that idiot. Let him wait. Let him wait. Well, I’ll mention the golf, but I probably won’t mention the idiot part if that’s okay. No, he’s not an idiot. He’s a good guy. I love Jeff. He is, you know, I I’ I’ve worked with Jeff and he paid his dues, too. Cam Lu Playser’s playby-play guy in the 90s. I love people who pay their dues. I can’t stand people who don’t. Makes me mad. Bothers me. Bothers the hell out of me. You know, I I You know what? Go pay your dues. Get better in those small towns and and you’ll be better for it. No, that’s come through loud and clear. Rick, I will keep you longer the next time, but I appreciate you joining me on Thanksgiving and actually making the tech work. You’re the best, man. All right, buddy. Take care. Have a great Have a great day. You, too. Talk soon. That is Rick Dollywal. There’s I didn’t have to ask any questions. There’s so much there. Um, so what I’m going to do is I’m going to do a quick u go to my I don’t sure if I can change my shirt in half. No, 30 second. No, I will. It’s a good challenge for me. So, I’m going to go back to my regular shirt in about a minute as I bring in a JPAT. Um, and we’ll reset everything for the top of the hour. So, we are done four hours now. Um, I’m just trying to You probably saw me fooling around a little bit with the template. I want to show the comments on the screen when I have a guest, but I just don’t want it cutting into their face. I’m going to I’m going to try and see how that looks while I have my next few guests. So, what I’m going to do is um at the top of the hour, which is in a minute, I’m going to run my um I’m going to run the the intro, and that gives me 25 seconds to change my shirt, and then we will bring JPAT on. So, uh we’ll see. If I have my shirt on backwards, um it’s because that I messed up somehow. So, we will wait. Um as soon as my clock turns four, I’m going to go run and change my shirt, and then I’ll reset everything. And now, now every guest is on the hour. We got through that crazy four guests in three hours and there are great guests between Landon and Dan Murphy and Ian and Rick and now we move to JPAT um in the next few minutes or so. So, I’m going to play my intro and then I’m going to change my shirt. So, you can tell I’m already getting my my earbuds ready because I only got 25 seconds. That’s how long my intro is. And hopefully I’m sitting in front of you as soon as I get back. All right, it is four o’clock in like a couple seconds now. I’ll see you in 25 seconds. Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. Boy, quickest change ever. Out of my Hawaiian shirt and back into a decent shirt so Jeff doesn’t think there’s something wrong with me. Uh Jpad, I see you in the back. Give me two minutes and I’ll get to you right away. Thank you. So, welcome everyone. This is hour number five of my live stream. We are starting the 4:00 hour. 1212 34. Yes, this is hour number five. And this is how you get involved in the show. you subscribe, like the video, leave a donation, gift a membership, buy your own membership, upgrade your own membership, or use your monthly membership message. We are grateful for everyone we’ve had so far. And don’t forget, I’m running this contest. At the end of the stream, you will have a chance to enter to win up to seven prizes. I’m going to open it up at 10 a.m. tomorrow and then we’ll draw the winners at 11:00 a.m. Everyone can enter at least once and then you have a chance to earn five bonus entries by these five bonus words that I’m dropping throughout the 24 hours. And I’ve dropped one already and I’m going to be nice. If you want a hint, go look for it in the first hour of the live stream. I’m now dropping bonus uh word number two. So, you can’t enter the in the form yet because it’s not open yet, but you can write this down. So, when the form is open tomorrow, you can type this in. So, bonus word number two, and it’s got to be spelled right, is the acronym of the Goodlooking Connects Positivity Club, GL LCPC. So, the bonus word number two is G LCPC. I’ll say it one more time. GL LCPC. It stands for Good-looking Kucks Positivity Club. You want to remember that bonus word number two. And you want to find bonus word number one. All right, enough of that. It’s time to bring in my next guest, someone who’s so kind to me to give uh give his time on Thanksgiving weekend like all our guests. And I will mention right off the top to this guest what um what uh Rick Dollywal had to say please. So please welcome our good friend and then comparable Jeff Patterson. Hey JPAT GLCPC. Okay, just making note. That’s good. That is okay. You got it. You’re right. You’re right. You just got to find Well, welcome. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, right back at you. Thank you. And uh I just had Rick Dollywal and he said to me, “Tell Jpat uh then he used a funny word that he took bad. He called you a funny name, but he he’s jealous of how good of a golfer you are.” He says he’s been asking you for golf lessons. Is that true? Uh we’ve played a few times over the years. I I don’t recall him asking for lessons. Uh he’s usually on his phone and you know him. Can’t put his phone away uh ever. Um I I think my best Dollywall on a golf course story though and I I tweeted this out a couple years ago. We were playing at Northlands here in North Van and uh played the first couple holes and we had carts and so I was not sharing a cart with him. I can’t remember who else was in our group but he played the first couple of holes and couldn’t find the club he was looking for and kind of got into a little panic and thought he had left it somewhere. And then it turned out that he was taking clubs out of his own bag, but putting them back in like the bags on our cart. And I mean, you can understand why I couldn’t find his club. Anyways, we we got to the bottom of that. We put an end to it. The rest of the day was pretty uneventful. Uh but uh yeah, I look I He’s great company. He’s a lot of fun. He is exactly what you see. Like there are a lot of guys in this business that put on a bit of a face. Uh sure, you know, but he’s not one of them. I mean, what you see on TV is uh the same guy that you would if you spend a couple hours on the golf course. Uh you’re bound to get some laughs out of him and uh yeah, look, you could probably stand to take a few golf lessons somewhere along the line, but uh who am I to tell him that? So, that is awesome. I’ve always said that I love golfing, but I I can find less expensive ways to get frustrated. That’s for sure. Right. But no, he did say he was very complimentary of your swing. Oh, okay. Well, that’s nice of him. I I I managed to get it around generally. I mean, I started when I was 10 years old and I’ve played ever since and fortunate that the ball generally goes in the right direction. Not always, but uh generally. Well, I know you’d be very humble. I’ve seen your your post though about golfing. What’s your favorite course to play at if if you have one? Uh I always joke I’ll play wherever they’ll take me. um you know I’m not a member anywhere so have grown up as a public uh course player and uh play all over the place and we’ve been lucky in this business to have uh you know lots of uh arrangements and lots met lots of people in the local golf industry that uh usually you know hey give me a call if you want to come and play. So I generally take those people up on their offers. Uh there were so many good golf courses not just here in the city but uh throughout the province. went on a great run through the Okonogan this summer and played was fortunate to play a little golf in Hawaii late in August as well. So gotten around at training camp uh with the Kucks Army guys. So I I don’t know if I have one. I mean Northlands is close to me here Northshore and you know become good friends with the guys that uh operate and and manage it, Gary and Curtis. And so uh yeah, I enjoy my time up at Northlands and yeah. Yeah. like I I’m not picky. If uh just get me out there and let me play and uh so I’ve been fortunate. I had a pretty good summer. I played a lot. I didn’t play maybe as well as I would have liked but played a lot. So yeah, on that front it was a good summer. That’s awesome. I’m happy to share that. Oh, you were very very uh you know generous to me uh and kind to me when I was asking you for advice on playing the Okonogan. I’m sure I had about 40 strokes over your scores, but uh had fun had fun. Love being with the guys uh in the great weather, but those are some tough courses up there. Yeah. You did what? Sage brush and stage and and topiano. Yes. Yeah. So, um I haven’t it’s been years since I played Sage Brush. I was uh fortunate enough to play it. Uh I think even before it actually opened, uh I remember being on a media junket up there and Toby know. It’s been a while as well. So, but yeah, two of the spectacular golf courses uh that this province has to offer. Awesome. Well, I’ll take some lessons with Rick and maybe it’ be the a gong show of a force. I don’t even know if we need a fourth. Me, Rick, and you. We’ll we’ll do it. It’s one day. You’d be sharing the cart with Rick. I I would I give you that honor. You could spend four and a half hours sharing a cart with uh with Ricky. That is awesome. Thank you. Thank you. And and last thing, and then we’ll actually get into actual questions about the Conucks. um a good friend of of my brother uh who who watches a lot of stuff that you’re in and and he’s asking you, have you ever thought when you’re hosting with Patrick Johnson, have you already gone with the whole JPAT and Pat J thing, have you guys talked about that or monikered that or trademarked that? No. Yes, it’s been discussed. I think we thought about shortening it just to PJ and JP as well. Um so, okay. I mean, Ringwide generally doesn’t have names attached to it like Sakira surprise, right? It’s just rank wide and whoever I can round up on a given day to spend some time with me as a co-host. Uh but uh Patrick’s in the mix. He’ll be on a few of them uh throughout the season and of course uh have done some filming work with him on other shows as well. So yeah, we have kicked that around and uh maybe someday we’ll hang it on a on a show title. Awesome. I think I asked you this last last year, but I love these kind of stories. I peak behind the curtain. when you are hosting rinkwide uh on YouTube right after the game, how late can you stay at Rogers before you have to bolt? Or do you make it to the end of the second, make it halfway through the third? Like what’s your general or are you jumping in a limo right at the end of the puck, you know, the the the final buzzer to get back? No limo. Uh now only in my dreams. Yeah. Uh no, we’ve got it down to a system. I I leave after the second period and that gives me 18 minutes or whatever. And the studio is in the Wall Center Hotel, so it’s not too far. And at that time of night, nobody else is leaving the rink. So, no, honestly, like if I was trying to get an Uber after the game when 20,000 people are out on the street, that would be different. But in the second intermission, it’s uh pretty seamless and generally can jump in a car and get back uh to where we need to go uh and watch. There’s only been a couple of times where like ride share has failed me and they’ve passed me on to like three different drivers and uh but for the most part it works, you know, pretty smoothly and I get back and then I watch the third period. Yes. On TV and uh yeah, we hit go pretty much as quickly as we can right after the final buzzer. So that’s how it works. That there you go behind the scenes. Yeah. Pulling you behind the curtain. Two periods in person and then the third uh on television. Appreciate that that trust. um your first two shows of the year. Have you seen numbers already bigger than last year? Same small like uh as as we get into this season. Yeah, response has been good. We did the final two preseason games as much for us as for the audience just to work off a little rust. And it had been, you know, a while. We had that terrific run through the Abbottzford playoff uh the Color Cup Championship which was a ton of fun and you know we thought of it as h let’s give it a shot. we’ll see if there’s an audience and there was and so we just kept on going and of course they kept on going and so uh that was a blast and really cool to sort of experience a championship even if it wasn’t at the NHL level but uh to sort of feel like we were there along for the ride and so picked up where we left off and yeah um you know I we believe that there’s still a ton of growth potential and what we do and you know if the hockey club can hold up its end of the bargain and keep people interested and um you know that will help We saw it two years ago in the playoffs where numbers were through the roof and they would be again if this team can get back to the postseason. So, you know, fingers crossed uh everybody’s doing predictions and all that kind of stuff and and selfishly when I make my predictions I I have them above the playoff bar because I want them to be above the playoff bar because I want playoff hockey again. I mean, that was a blast and it was only two rounds. Imagine what would happen if uh they ever were able to push it uh deeper than that. So, uh, you know, I wasn’t surprised the reaction of the city and the market and the response and I think people had forgotten just how fun playoff hockey truly is. And so, you know, to get a game seven against the Oilers, I know it didn’t end the way that people here wanted, but just I love the buildup on game days in the playoffs and not a whole lot better than a a game seven. So, um, yeah. Um, you know, I’ve got them at 96 points and sort of putting them in a wild card spot and I, you know, I made that before the season and I felt pretty good after Wednesday or Thursday night and then I revisit a little after nights like last night. But hey, that’s uh life on the beat and covering a hockey club. You know, I I can’t get caught up in the wins and losses. I just have to cover the team the way it is and there’s going to be some ups and downs and it’s only two two games. So, we’ll try to remain fairly even keel here as we go. Well, congrats on what you’re doing with Rinkquad. You know, there’s uh obviously it’s the the most uh prominent uh postgame show in our market. And then we have, you know, a lot of uh I have good friends who are content creators. I’m actually bringing them on later on the stream. And they they’re great, too. They’re they’re obviously not as professional, and they they do their postgame shows, which is awesome. It just show they’re not as big, obviously, but it shows that there’s a lot of appetite for that. But there’s a reason why I do my show at 11:00 p.m. I’m not going to try and go up against you. No, I that’s why I I’ve kind of settled into that late night. Uh for those people that can’t figure out how to go to bed at night, put me on and then it puts you to sleep. So it works out really really well. So keep up the good work that way. It’s it’s awesome to especially you know I listen to your show the next day of course and it’s uh it’s always good. It’s always very very good. So it’s awesome. Yeah. No, you’re welcome. Um okay, so really quickly before we get into um the the actual Conucks, there’s one thing I was gonna ask you about Rick. Oh, yeah. I heard you on Jeff Merrick show. So, I know you do you like the opportunity to do like other shows when when national people come to you as one of the Vancouver experts, do you do you get a rush out of that? Do you just whatever it’s part of the job or do you really enjoy those opportunities? I guess there’s a couple ways to come at that. One is having done this long enough that you know it’s a pretty close circle, right? And if I needed a guest for my show, I’d like to think that if I reached out uh I wouldn’t have to go too deep down the list to find somebody that would help me out. And so really there is an element of that that if somebody asks me somewhere down the line I can call them up and you know get them to return the favor. Um I talk about the Canucks. I cover the Conucks. So it’s not a burden if somebody in another market says hey like we want to talk about the Canucks or do a segment on what’s going on out in you know the West or the Pacific Division or anything like that. So I I’ve generally throughout my career said yes when I can. There are days where it doesn’t work if I’m at practice or if I’m, you know, got a dentist appointment or whatever, but for the most part, if somebody asks, I mean, I’m flattered that they have thought that I can bring some value to their show. So, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Merrick is part of our whole ecosystem at the Nation Network. So, you know, I think it’s sort of expected that if uh he and his producer uh make that request that, you know, you’ll do what you can. So, yeah. I mean it’s but he’s he’s so easy to talk to. I mean he’s a guy that just loves the game. You can tell that uh regardless who he’s talking to or what topic and so it’s always fun going on with him and sometimes get pulled in some different directions more than just you know the minutiae about the Vancouver Canucks. So um no I yeah just throughout my career I’ve done a lot of that. Uh people wonder do we get paid? No. Um not for oneoffs like that generally. Uh if you’re a regular on a show, you know, usually there’s some compensation there, but uh you know, if somebody from Edmonton on a day when the Conucks are there wants me on their show, again, it’s more of that reciprocal uh you do me a favor this time and and I’ll pay it back the next. So, right. But yeah, it’s always good. I I mean, I just I enjoy dealing with other people that basically do this for a living and you know, it’s kind of fun to see how they operate and yeah, their lines of questioning and all that kind of stuff. So, uh, yeah, my own personal policy has been if somebody asks and I’m able to do it, uh, sure, why not? Well, I appreciate that. I’m a recipient of that generosity because I’m not paying any of my guests this weekend. That’s for sure. What? I was going to ask where I was invoicing, but all good. Of course, it’s all good. We’ll figure that out. Yes, I’ll pay for your golf round. Okay, so you’ve seen these uh, you know, they won a game that they probably should have won on Thursday. They played against a very tough team last night. Only two games in, but they all count. And so, uh, impressions so far of your what you’ve seen? Well, That Demco has been just off the charts and and not a surprise having been there from Pentictton on, uh, he’s looked really good and through training camp, through the preseason, and now through two games. Uh, you know, he’s there’s still going to be that question about him getting through every game and being healthy and available for the next one, but so far so good. uh easily the best player on the Vancouver Conucks and when he’s dialed in u he makes it look so easy and and I remember thinking that with Roberto Lawo and uh you know just the ones that are at the top of their game that elevate that position. Uh the save on dry settle obviously was incredible but but he made early saves like Matt Savo had a really good chance three minutes into the hockey game and again Demco just stares him down makes the save makes it look pretty routine. it wasn’t. Um, and even on opening night against Calgary, like the Flames are the Flames and they’re going to struggle to score goals and they had played the night before and all that kind of stuff, but you know, Blake Coleman had a short-handed breakway and Sharon Govich had a really good look on a power play. And again, it wasn’t just that Demco made the saves, it’s how easy he made them look in pretty high leverage situations. So, uh, I think that’s my first takeaway is as we thought and a lot of people hope that that is on his road to being that VZNA finalist kind of guy. It’s early, but the indications are that he’s trending there. Yes. You know, even though they got worked by Edmonton, and they did. I mean, the shots were 3715. You know, we always talk about the process, right? Like the score flattered the Canucks. It did. Um, but in saying that, you know, they didn’t get blown out by the Oilers. Now, if they play that same game 10 times, there’s probably a handful that turn into blowouts. But with Demco holding down the fort, penalty kill has been perfect so far. So, knock on wood for them there. So, I like the penalty kill. Flip side is that the power play has yet to score. And I was encouraged in the preseason. I thought they snapped it around pretty good in the preseason and yet uh just it hasn’t been there yet. So, uh not hitting the panic button, not freaking out, but uh you know, they can’t go a whole lot longer without finding their good stuff and settling in on you know, is Evander Kane the right guy on that first unit? Is Philip Heedle going to get an opportunity? as Connor, you know, you’ve got Connor Garland, Lacer Mackey, obviously. So, you know, there are some things to be sorted there. Um, I guess, you know, sort of the broad view through just two games is goalending and defensive look pretty good as we thought. And there going to be some nights where they struggle to score goals and outside of the third period against Calgary, that has sort of held true to form to this point. So, they’ve won one, they’ve lost one. It’s game three of the season. Yeah. But up against the backdrop of a, you know, a fivegame road trip that starts in Dallas, I kind of feel like there’s a little early season heft to this game against St. Louis because I think the Blues are going to be one of those teams that they’re battling with all season long. Yeah. Uh, you know, you don’t want to head on the road with just one win from your first three and then run into Dallas to start the road trip and sort of set the tone. So, uh, I would suggest to the Vancouver Conucks that, uh, they look more like the team that beat Calgary than the one that, uh, chased the puck and chased the game in Edmonton on Saturday night. Yeah. No, well said. And, uh, you know, I just love them when they light up Jordan Bington. So, I just, that’s why I love St. Louis. So, except when he’s playing for team Canada. The, um, what’s really interesting is I was with family last night, thank early Thanksgiving dinner. They sacrificed so I could do this for 24 hours. And I was explaining to them just the nuance, not trying to sound smart, but the whole uh home away last change, you know, first change blah blah blah. So I was explaining to them that generally best sir, de Brusk and Pey will see the best defensive pair, the best shutdown center from the other team. So in explaining that nuance to them, then I was trying to I was basically talking myself into a corner, JPAT, when I was saying, well, um, am I excusing them for not having it yesterday? Is it because that’s the best team in the Western Conference for the past couple years? like uh do it’s two games in but are you concerned about that that top line or is it simply two games in and they played against a really good team that’s really fast and big yesterday. Yes to all of it. Um look they need more from those guys and in saying that Brock Ber scored in both games so you can’t ask for a whole lot more than that. Jake De Brusk very quietly has picked up assists on both those goals. So he’s on a point per game pace. Of course all conversations lead back to the guy in the middle right. I mean it just that’s where we are right now and understandably so and I’m not ducking that issue. Uh Elias Patterson hasn’t given them much and you know you kind of give him a pass in the preseason and he got some mileage out of the onetime goal that he scored in Calgary but the lights are on now. It’s go time. It’s these games matter and he hasn’t been anywhere close to the best player on the ice in either one of the games. M uh you know there were some signs in the Calgary game that he was invested and you know he took the hard hit obviously but I was happy that he bounced back there uh last night in Edmonton. No, I mean you he needs the puck on his stick and nobody on the Conucks had the puck on their stick and that was a problem. Now you know further to your point, Boilers lost on opening night against their provincial rival. Yep. Flushed a three nothing lead. Like you knew that they meant business. They didn’t want to come out of the gates 0 and2 on home ice. So I mean McDavid I thought was spectacular last night in a night where he only ends up with an assist, the second assist on an empty net goal. And you might what do you mean he was spectacular? Played almost 25 minutes. He had 11 shot attempts. Uh and he I think he won 12 of 15 faceoffs. So, uh, you know, the the flip side there is that Elias Patterson won three of 18 faceoffs, which is like that’s a massive concern when we’re talking about having the puck and starting with the puck and, you know, then being able to to lean into your strengths. Um, yeah, I mean, I look, I’ve got the same concerns everybody does. I’m again, two games, so I I want to sort of temper all of this, but two will become four will become eight pretty quickly. And you know, through the preseason, I was waiting for moments that made me remember this guy that has just created his own personal highlight reel here. Uh through the years as a member of the Vancouver Conucks and and unfortunately, it’s been far too long. Like in my head, I have memories of so many of his goals. um from earlier in his career, from the first one in his NHL debut to, you know, the one when he came out of the penalty box against Columbus and ended up looking like he was shot out of a cannon and got this breakway and um in St. Louis a couple years ago in overtime, racing down the left wing and just off the top of my head. Um and I just don’t see any of that right now. And that’s the concern for me is that I don’t think he’s forgotten how to play hockey. uh he’s going to pick up points along the way whether they’re at even strength or on the power play, but you know, is he is he going to be the best player on the ice in a game here in the next week or like you can’t get too far down the road without him having one of those nights where we think, okay, like he’s taken this to heart, the six kilos, whatever. Um, you know, I need to see some signs. And unfortunately, the first two games have looked a lot like the last 18 months. So, yeah. Yeah. You know, again, I I I don’t want the market freaking out, but we see it in our comments section, see it in social as well. Like, there are people that write them off already. I’m not prepared to go there, but I need to see more. And I’m sure the Canucks feel the same way that they need to see more. Uh, and so, you know, back to your original question, De Brson Besser, like is that the best formulation of a top line? Well, I mean, their hands are tied. They don’t have a a ton. Neils Hoglander is not available. He’s a guy that, you know, has played with Pey in the past. You could plug in there. Um, you know, will Evander Kane get some looks on that line? Probably at some point. Uh, but after that, it gets pretty thin in terms of, you know, top end NHL talent. They’ve got some young guys trying to find their way. Yeah. Uh, so it’s not like you can just keep rotating and and I sometimes wonder if that’s counterproductive as well. uh you know that’s sort of what preseason is for. Like if you’re going to experiment into the second and third week of the season, uh then that tells me that you might be experimenting for much of the season that you know at that point you’re just kind of fingers crossed that you’re going to hit on something that works. So uh for the time being I I think I stick with the Brusken Besser on the wings with Patterson and and hope that they figure it out. But you know the the I was going to say the world is watching. I don’t know if the world’s watching. market is certainly watching those three guys and and hoping for for better here in uh in the games ahead. Yeah, you make such a good point though about other options. Hoglanders out until December and then Kane. Yeah, the debate was it was it going to be De Bretor or Kane, but Kane’s not even on the second line. So, I was going to ask you being around the team and knowing how they they want our sheep Baines to do well and he’s doing some things very well. Maybe Kane’s there to insulate the two younger guys in Coot and Leam Maki, but ultimately does Kane need to be on that second line with Hedo and Garland or is is is that not necessarily the case? Well, that’s where he played last night and I thought it was interesting that Aander Kane led all Kuck forwards in ice time last night which you know on a one-off is fine but I don’t think you want that becoming a regular occurrence. Now, some of that was probably matchup related, like you know, trying to keep well, again, McDavid played 25 minutes. So, uh, the Oilers were dictating a lot of that. Uh, and I think he tried to force the Conucks hand and and probably at times trying to get, uh, McDavid dry out against the young guys, and that’s something that the Canucks didn’t want. Um, but Kane for the most part did play with Heedel and Garland last night. RC Baines only played 10 minutes, which I thought was interesting. Yeah. uh a little bit of penalty killing time, but for the most part, he was relegated lower in the lineup. And then you came to Coots and Leer Mackey. Both of them uh or neither one of them got 10 minutes of ice time. And yeah, you know, first NHL road game for Coots. Uh figure in the opponent and the potential of mismatches there. Cooch only took two faceoffs and and that tells me that they were trying to spot him, right? Changing on the fly rather than starting uh in zone. They weren’t going to put him out there for defensive zone faceoffs certainly and I guess they didn’t find a lot of offensive zone faceoffs for him. Uh so he was basically changing on the fly. Also, you know, game state, they’re trailing. And this is where it got a little dicey for me, though. Like Coots didn’t play much in the third period. Fine. I kind of get that. But in a one-goal game, and it was it was two to1 for most of the third period, Jonathan Leki had one shift over the final 13 minutes. That made no sense to me. I mean, this guy scored with the extra attacker in Edmonton in the preseason. He has scored in every game since. Um why didn’t he get more than one shift down the stretch? Like that that’s his meal ticket. And I I just I I think whether it was with the goal he pulled or before then uh you know he represents the idea of offense when the puck’s on his stick. So why wouldn’t you want to get him a couple of looks? So I was surprised at that and I haven’t had a chance had the day off here on Sunday so didn’t I wasn’t in Edmonton. Didn’t get a chance to ask Adam foot about deployment issues. Uh but I will say this that if they can’t find 10 minutes of ice time for Braden Coots then get him back to Seattle. there’s no point in him uh being at this level and not playing 10 minutes a night. So, we’ll find out as we move here is, you know, was that the oneoff the outlier because of the score and because of the McDavid factor or is this going to be an issue that they’re going to struggle with the trust factor and um you know, can they get him an ice time to continue to develop because you know, no practice today. Yeah. No morning skate on Monday. So he’s just going from game to game. Like when we’re talking about his growth and development, it’s not like he’s getting a chance to practice between every games right now. And then out on the road, they start with three games in three and a half days. Uh they will only have one practice on a fivegame road trip. So you know, like I wonder in a perfect world when Teddy Bluger comes back, will we get to the point where they sit Braden Cooch down for a game or two? He doesn’t have to play every night. And in fact, I wondered like he’s a Sherwood Park kid. I guess I figured that he was always going to play in Edmonton. Yeah. But I also want like could Lenus Carlson not have given the Conucks those same 10 minutes. And again, Cooch doesn’t have to play all nine in a row. Yeah. You know, the he can be here for 30 games if he only plays nine. The contract doesn’t kick in. But again, I think that would stunt his growth. But, you know, I don’t think he needs to play every single night except that right now they don’t have better options at center. So, he’s probably going to stay in the lineup here. Although, I wonder when they get to the back to backs and the start of the road trip, Dallas and Chicago, you know, is Teddy Bluger back by then, is that an opportunity where you just sit him down, let him catch his breath? He’s in the National Hockey League as an 18-year-old. Uh, but I look at nights like last night and I just think, you know, less than 10 minutes, that’s really not doing the kid a huge favor other than him collecting an NHL salary at the age of 18, which is pretty incredible in and of itself. So, uh, that’s going to be an ongoing thing that I think they monitor pretty closely and obviously everybody in this market will monitor as well. But yeah, the fact that uh they sat for all but one shift to the final 13 minutes in a onegoal game last night probably gives you a little bit of insight about where the coaching staff is with both of those young guys. Yeah, that’s an excellent point about the spacing out the 10 games because you’re right. If he plays tomorrow against St. Louis, which you probably will, then you’re already gone through a third of his quote allocation and with Yeah. Yeah, that’s a really good point actually without a lot of practice time. So, you know, you’re not developing. I mean, yeah, you’re sitting and you’re watching NHL games from the bench, but you know, you want to do everything in the best interest of the kid to help him develop. And I I just don’t think that nine and a half minutes at the NHL level is in the big picture the best thing for him right now. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. Hey, uh Jpat throughout training camp and you know the the preseason uh we saw a lot of Tom Valander, we saw a lot of Victor Mancini. Do you anticipate well probably Mancini more than Vander, but do you anticipate those two guys having double digit NHL games by the end of the season given what happens to a typical blue line throughout the regular season? Yeah, I I wonder if we see Mancini on Monday against St. Louis. Oh, already. Yeah. Well, DPD and Forbert really struggled by the numbers uh against Edmonton. And it’s Edmonton. I get that. But still, um I you know, I don’t know if Derk Forbert needs to be an 82 game player for the Vancouver Conucks at this stage of his career. I I get what he brings and a lot of that values in the penalty kill, but five on five, he and DPD got crushed uh by the Oilers last night. And so even DPD it, you know, like I don’t think there’s any harm if he plays 75 games but sits out sporadically and um you know you’ve got Mancini, he’s not in Abbottzford so he’s on the roster here. You don’t want him sitting and not playing. Uh that’s why I think Lanken probably starts against the Blues and then I wonder um you know how long do they want Lenus Carlson to sit? Do you plug him in somewhere? Um he can probably sit a little longer. I just think with Mancini, you want to find him game action somewhere. So, I won’t be shocked if uh they make a change there. Uh with Mancini, I I think it’s going to be tougher for Wanderer to get in games just with where he is on the depth chart and the best place for him right now is insulated in Abbottzford and they’re off to a two and0 start. Yeah. Uh which is incredible. Um you know, let him play and play a ton without Jet Woo and without Gon Breeze. like there’s an opportunity down in Abbottzford for somebody like Wanderer to play basically 25 to 30 minutes a night which is great for his development and so you know I I hope that we see him uh at some point here but for him to get into the NHL right now like he would have to leaprog a bunch of guys or as you pointed out you know the injury bug would really have to bite and nobody wants to wrap their head around that two games into the season it’ll happen there will be some guys that miss some time, but you know, they’ve still got PO Joseph at some point. He’ll be activated. Good point. Uh he’s still on IRS as of midday today. Uh so I don’t know when we’re going to see him, but uh you know, it sounded like a fairly minor innocuous groin issue, but uh those have a way of sort of lingering, and I guess that’s where we are with him right now. So, uh, kind of a forgotten man, you know, out of sight, out of mind, but, uh, he’s ahead of the Lander certainly, uh, in terms of NHL experience and depth chart and all that kind of stuff. So, uh, yeah, I I think a number of things would probably have to happen negatively uh, for Wanderer. I mean, he first of all, he’s got to hold up his end of the bargain in the AHL and show that, you know, his game is developing. Uh but if the door opens for him, it means that uh others have fallen uh by the wayside and and let’s hope, you know, that doesn’t happen because the Canucks need the same sort of health uh that they had two years ago when they had the 50 wins and 109 point season. That was such a huge part of that story that season was how all the top guys stayed healthy and and available to them. So don’t even want to contemplate injuries uh to some of the main guys this early in the season. Yeah. Awesome. Are you good for five to seven more minutes? I get you out by 440. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, so guys, um guys, guys and gals in the chat, leave a comment for JPAT and we’ll do that for the last five minutes. I got one more for you. For me, uh Jeff, the four main stories coming in in the season were Demco, PD, Coots, and of course the future Quinn Hughes. Any inkling, any thought or your personal uh opinion on what you think is going to happen? I know nothing can happen until July 1st as we’re constantly reminded, but what do you think is going to happen there? Yeah. And and look, you’re not wrong. He can’t sign a contract until July 1st, but he may have made up his mind. Like, it’s conceivable that he has made up his mind now. He can’t act on it, obviously, but you know, that’s sort of the storyline, that part of the story line to me uh seems to be overlooked. That, you know, he’s a human being. He wants to sort of know where his life’s going to take him. Uh he may have already made up his mind either for good or bad. Like, he may have be set on resigning here. Who knows? um you know he has made it pretty clear that he’s trying to live in the moment and not let it become bigger issue than it has already become and I think now that we’re into the season you know it blew up there around the media tour. Um, but I I hope that the focus will be on his performance on the ice and the team’s performance. And I I I guess I am a believer that if the Canucks can do enough to show Quinn Hughes that this is a place that he ought to be, um, then that’ll go a long way to helping him decide that, yeah, he wants to sign an extension and and stay here. You know, I think the McDavid thing is instructive with star players. You know, they’re going to get their money, they’re going to get paid. Uh but at the same time, you know, there is always the possibility of injury at this level and in this sport. And so, you know, I guess that’s the surprise when you see a mega star like McDavid leave that much on the table that, you know, he is rolling the dice a little bit in that regard. So, we’ll see where it goes with Quinn. Um I mean, that family is close. We know that. But to the best of my knowledge, like all three of them are, you know, single young guys. as life moves along like you know if they get married and like priorities change and just you know if Gwyn was to end up finding a partner here in Vancouver like you know is he putting down roots here like there are just there’s a lot that goes into it and so who all of them are right now in their early to mid20s it’s not who they’re going to be you know in five and 10 years so you know let’s see where it all goes but the stuff that the Canucks control is can control is uh surrounding their best player with better players and uh I don’t think Quinn’s been anywhere close to his best in the first two games. Mhm. Picked up the record setting point last night. Great. Uh, I don’t know if that was on his mind, but now that’s in the rearview mirror and it’s going to be fascinating to see how much of a gap he can open up uh between him and Alex Edler uh moving forward now because if he’s a career kuck and plays another 10 years like he could wind up like a thousand points ahead of the next closest defense, which is just wild to think about. Uh, but I mean that’s the trajectory he’s on, so we’ll see where that one goes. Um, but I know like I know that he can elevate. We’ve seen it throughout his career. He can be better and and have more of an impact uh on the game and and part of it is having the puck on his stick and like the rest of them, he didn’t have the puck an awful lot last night in Edmonton. So, uh I hope that he is just getting his feet under him again. Power play obviously once it gets rolling he’ll collect a ton of points there. Um but you know trying to surround him with better players. We’ve seen this management uh they’ve made a bunch of trades. I would imagine if trades are there they will but you know you’re not completely overhauling the team in season. So what you see is the core for the most part of this group moving forward. Uh can they add to it? Yeah. At a cost. And right now they haven’t been prepared to pay that cost. So uh I’m kind of curious to see how that works out. And I think they’ll give this group, you know, till the end of November, so the first couple months of the season, it was late November when they made the Zidorov trade because the team had signaled that, you know, it was doing the right things and management wanted to reward them and add to the mix. And so, you know, did they follow that playbook this time around? Uh, we’re getting ahead of ourselves, no crystal ball, all that kind of stuff. But ultimately, uh, I think winning is probably the thing that would be the strongest argument for Queen Hughes to sign here and stay here. And so, uh, let’s see if they can do enough winning to to make that happen. Well said. Uh, follow up on that. Swervan Urban from the community says, “I really miss Botch as I’m sure many of us do, and of course, JP, you you had a great chemistry and great friend to you. What do you think he would have thought of Quinnhu’s career this far? would we have a a new botchism or some memes or whatever? Like I can only imagine how he would love covering Quinn Hughes. Yeah. I mean, one of the great tragedies is he saw Quinn Hughes’s first five games at the end of that season and uh you know, we all got a glimpse of what was to come and here we are all these years later and so I’m sure like all of us watch would have marveled at it. Um, you know, Quinn is kind of unique, you know, like I don’t know that anybody in this market has really cracked the Quinn Hughes code to really get inside and find out what makes him tick. I mean, we know from watching him and I’m around him. I mean, I feel I have a bit of a read on him, but I, you know, would Botch have been able to forge that sort of bond and and um, you know, those are the kinds of things I wonder a little bit. what could he have pulled out a Quinn that nobody else has been able to uh to this point? But uh yeah, I mean I I Jason just wanted to cover good hockey. I mean I think at the end of the day and uh so he would have enjoyed the season two years ago. I I guess we all like how would he have covered the dysfunction of last year. Uh we’ll never know. But um yeah. Yeah. I I I just think he wanted to cover winning hockey, good hockey, and Quinn certainly delivers that uh on a nightly basis. So I think Jason would have been very appreciative of a chance to watch and cover Quinn Hughes’s career. Yeah. No, thank you JP. Good uh good reminder of the time frame too about the Yeah. of when Yeah. when the passing so the fi after the fiveday uh the fivegame debut which he dazzled everyone last let’s end with this one. So let’s say that the top line doesn’t work out and let’s say there’s no Kane. What would you pick between Pey De Brress and Sherwood or Pey Besser and Hoglander if you had to pick one of those two combinations? Well, if I look at PD de Brk and Sherwood, I I wonder, okay, where does that leave Brock Besser? Because I I don’t like the idea of Brock Besser and Philip Heedle. They played a little bit together last year. I mean, they’re at extremes on the speed spectrum. Um, and some some and no, I don’t mean that as a knock on Brock, but Heedle does everything at super high speed, including terrible giveaways uh in his own zone that lead to game-winning goals. Uh, let’s hope that that’s one and done. Um, but we saw it a little bit last year that they just, you know, he’ll everything sort of at top speed and and I guess in theory maybe think, okay, well that would force Brock to ramp it up and try to keep up. But, um, I think I’m more likely to take a longer look at Pety Besser and Hoglander, but Hoglander may not be back till Christmas or even mid December. Uh, where’s the team going to be at that point? how difficult I I think we all have to be careful too because you know you can spit out mid December but Dakota Joshua showed last year like totally different injuries I get it and Dakota you know that’s life-changing stuff with cancer but just on the hockey side he admitted like you’re coming back when everybody else has already played six weeks eight weeks and I mean he struggled and he talked about it openly that it was harder than he thought it was going to be to catch up to the game and now that’s where Hoglander is going you know, whether it’s December 1st, December 15th, or Christmas, he’s got to jump in midstream after everybody else has been at high speed for two full months, that is not an easy thing to do. Yeah. In the National Hockey League. So, um, yeah, I I just, you know, if I I I if you go Hoglander or if you stick Sherwood on that top line, I think in a pinch, like I’m okay with that, but in the big picture, Kefir Sherwood isn’t a top six player in the NHL. I know he scored 19 goals last year and that was incredible and he got the opener the other night. Uh, but I think on a good team, Kefir Sherwood is perfectly slotted as a third line guy that is, you know, keeping the other team honest and head on a swivel as he’s trying to finish every check. Um, you know, I I know it’s a contract year for him, so I’m really curious to see how he backs up. Last year, he was incredible for the Canucks with the goals, the hits, you know, he’s just a solid pro through and through, low maintenance. I think he’s good guy to have on the roster and in that room, but I also think it’s going to be tough for him to get back to 19 goals. Um, you know, he had a pretty heated shooting percentage and that’s probably not repeatable. So, uh, you know, from a couple times a year, if you want to plug him in the top six as a bit of a catalyst, I think he can hold his own, but if I’m looking at the way the roster is constructed, I I don’t think I’ve got Kefir Sherwood in my top six sort of long term. And so that’s the red flag when I see those opport or the options that were presented there u from the contributor. But these are the questions that Adam Foot and his coaching staff are probably working through right now and trying to figure out all right if that top line doesn’t work and it’s not able to tilt games in the Canucks favor and ultimately put up the points expected. you know, what is plan B and how quickly do you go there? And and so look, no line top lines stay together or no, you know, lineups stay together over the course of 82. There’s going to be changes. That just comes with the territory. Um, some coaches are quicker than others to sort of move off what they initially start a season with. So, I’m kind of curious to see what, you know, we’re all learning about Adam Foot as a head coach, right? And what’s his patience level? He talked a couple of times through training camp about, you know, this is what we’re going to do if it works. And that was sort of, you know, he couched in that. So, you know, he’s basically saying, you know, I’ll give it a chance, but I’m not guaranteeing that I’m going to stick with it uh unless I see some bottom line production. And so, you know, as we said, there’s been middling bottom line so far from that. Yeah. Bottom line, top line. I’m confusing myself uh as I talk through it, but uh no, I mean, the end of the day, they need more. I just I think we all know that. And so, you know, Brock Ber doesn’t do things on his own. He needs a centerman to get him the puck. And you see what happens when people get him the puck, he’s able to pull the trigger. Uh but that’s why I say any conversation about the top line really in my mind is a conversation about the one guy uh in the middle and uh he just needs to show a whole lot more. Yeah. Very, very good. And finally, Mariners or Blue Jays? Yeah. So, like I tweeted out, you know, Canada’s team against BC’s team right after the game the other night. I watched the 15 in game. I am not a huge baseball guy. Uh, and so like I’m certainly not an expert. And then, you know, people were I I grew up here in Vancouver at a time and you know, I think Clay, you and I are of the same sort of vintage. Yeah, you know, we remember a pre- internet day, right? So, I grew up at a point where Mariners games were on television, like over the air, just KSTW out of Seattle. Yeah. And the first Major League Baseball game I ever went to was at the Kingdome. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Mariners. I don’t sit here and profess to be a massive Mariners fan. Uh, you know, I had people on Twitter, you know, name six Mariners. I can name six Mariners, but if you ask me to name 16 Mariners, I would probably have to think long and hard and and maybe cheat a little bit. Um, but I just I’ve always found the parallels between the Mariners and the Canucks fascinating. Uh, you know, they’ve had Hall of Famers. Canucks have been a little closer to a championship than the Mariners ultimately have, but through it all, there’s just been a lot of losing, a lot of dark years, uh, a lot of managerial and coaching churn. Um, so there’s sort of this bad news bears aspect that I’ve always had a soft spot for the Mariners that I would like to see them get to a World Series and ultimately if they’re there, take your best shot and why not win it. So in this battle I am very clearly on the Mariner side of things. Mhm. I find the Blue Jays, this version of the Blue Jays quite likable. I mean, Vlatt’s incredible. Yeah. Um, you know, the way that uh they rolled them the Yankees was Pretty impressive stuff. So, it’s not a dis it’s not a dislike of these Toronto Blue Jays. Yeah, I do have a dislike for the force feeding of the Blue Jays from the center of the universe and uh you know the whole Rogers issue, but you asked me Blue Jays or Mariners. I’ve talked for five minutes here and my answer is Mariners. Yeah. Uh I won’t be disappointed though if the Blue Jays get to the World Series because I have so many buddies that are like all in and this means the world to them. Uh, I think the Canucks play three of the first six nights like head-to-head with this matchup. So, I’ll be watching Conucks hockey. I’ll be following along and looking at scores obviously, but my work’s going to get in the way of watching a ton of baseball. going to watch the first game here uh later on, but um yeah, ultimately, you know, Monday afternoon and then I think uh Thursday and Friday, I believe there are games scheduled and Canucks are playing both of those nights out on the road as well. So, uh it’s going to you know, work is getting in the way of watching playoff baseball. I hate when that happens. But um yeah, I think as I sit here, just the lovable losers that they have been through so many decades now. Um I kind of want to see the Mariners get to a World Series. Great answer. I actually I don’t I understand baseball. I’m not the biggest fan, but I do understand the how a lot of people are invested whether Yeah. some of the storylines that you talked about. Very very good stuff. And I do recognize that uh I’m going headto-head with game one tonight, but uh I’ll make it work. Hopefully they people can have the the game on TV and they can Yeah, we’re in a we’re in a multiscreen universe these days, right? So, exactly. Exactly. Well, Jeeoff, I really appreciate you. What do you got? You got Thanksgiving dinner tonight or did you do it last night or you got it tomorrow night? Uh, family’s doing it tomorrow night without me because the Canucks are playing. So, um, such is life, but you know, Thanksgiving there’s usually leftovers. So, I have put in a request that, uh, my wife bring home, uh, cuz my brother and his wife and family are hosting. uh big family gathering, but yeah, I won’t be able to attend, unfortunately. It would have been fine if they had wanted to do it tonight, but uh uh not sure. It wasn’t my call Monday night and yeah, work’s getting in the way. So, uh too bad you got to watch the baseball game now. Uh yeah, but I’m clear. You’re right. The schedule is clear. The work is done. Your podcast is done. So, now it’s full steam ahead to this baseball game. Hopefully, it’s not 15 innings like the other night. That was fun in isolation, but I don’t think anybody really wants it to be a a regular kind of thing. So, uh yeah, but uh yeah, I can look in this job, uh there’s a ton of perks and it’s been a ton of fun and a great career, but one of the downsides is the amount of family gatherings that you’re just forced to miss. Like for sure, I’m slave to the Canucks schedule as anybody that covers the team regularly uh when they’re playing. we’re working. And so, uh, yeah, through the years, the number of birthday parties, family barbecues, uh, Thanksgiving dinners, whatever, uh, just not always able to, uh, to attend. Wow. Well, thank you. I really appreciate the the time you and energy you’ve given me today, and I wish you a great Thanksgiving, and I’ll see you around the ring rink or online or somewhere soon. Well, I always get a kick out of the invitation because uh you seem like as passionate as you are about the hockey club. Like you seem like a pretty even keel, mildmannered guy, got your act together, and then you go madman for like one weekend a year with this marathon. Uh but I’m always happy to get the invitation. And the fact that I keep getting the invitation tells me that uh uh at least somebody wants me back on their podcast. So I appreciate it. Uh that part of it. Uh good luck. Hang in there. stay strong and uh yeah, hopefully uh you still find some topics to uh to discuss with other guests here. That’s the you know, like it’s a big undertaking to keep the conversation moving along here. Yes. Well, thankfully the team has played at least two games, so there there’s something to go back. Two games of work to to work with. Yes. All right. Well, good on you, Clay. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, Jeff. We’ll talk soon. Thanks again. All right. Take care. 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I’m going to open the form tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. and then draw for the winner at 11:00 a.m. So, you can’t even enter your entries in the form right now. It doesn’t even open until tomorrow morning. So, write down those bonus words. I’ve actually given away two of them already. So, two bonus words of five and I’ll continue to remind you of this every single hour. All right, let’s go. Excited for my next guest. I’m excited for all my guests, but someone who I have deep respect for his knowledge and he’s uh coming to he’s playing hurt today. I’ll let him explain, but I’m very grateful that he’s still here. So, please welcome from Ingole Magazine and NHL.com, Mr. Kevin Woodley. Hello, Kevin Clay. How are you, buddy? I’m good. How are you? Why uh are you Thank you for joining me. I I know I’m sure actually if you were going to share with everyone, so now I kind of put you on the spot, but thank you. I don’t really have a choice. I kind of I I don’t normally dress like the uni bomber in dark rooms with sunglasses, prescription sunglasses at that. Um but for the same reason I missed the home opener, first one in 26 years on uh earlier this week on Thursday. Uh got diagnosed with um ulcers in in my eyes, which is not as scary as it seems, I’m assured, but it takes a long time to heal. So uh the vision is starting to come around, but the light sensitivity is still a little off the charts. So wow. Uh for things like this, we’ve got the screen dimmed. We’ve got the dark glasses. And uh if it flashes like a disco tech in here, it’s cuz uh I didn’t realize when I committed to the 5:00 hour that that would be uh yes, first pitch for Mariners Blue Jays today. So I’ve got that on in the background, buddy. What’s How I hope our audience stays. I hope we can keep a few here while this game’s going on. I think it’s a big ticket on TV tonight. Yes. Well, I’ve told everyone they got to put the the game on the TV and then keep me on any of their mobile devices. But thank you. I I recognize that yeah, you are playing hurt and it’s the Mariners game. So, I promise I’ll get you out by 5:35 at the latest. We’re all good, but I got time for you any any day. I appreciate it. How is there any actual pain in your eyes? No, no, just pain in my head, but that’s there all the time, Clay. Too many pucks off there over the years. So, um, no, it’s it’s not that bad. It’s just it’s a little scary when your vision just rapidly deteriorates and you basically can’t see. And so, thankfully, uh, thanks to Dr. ering for getting me straightened out, calming me down, and getting me on some meds and rest, and I think I’m actually going to be able to cover the game tomorrow night against the Blues. Although, I will be sporting this same look. So, that’ll be a new one for the press box, the prescription sunglasses. But, we all can’t be Wyatt Art. We all can’t be the Stansion as cool as him. So, this will be my first attempt. Yes. Yes. What um how long are they saying you have to wear the glasses for? Uh, I’m hoping to be out of these within a couple of days and then I’m hoping to be closer to normal. They said with like basically can’t wear contact lenses for a couple weeks. I’m old, right? So, like I’m at that stage of life where you don’t just wear contacts and glasses, but they’re all bif focals. So, yeah. Yeah, it’s it’s a bit of a challenge. So, well, it’s getting better. It’s It’s all good. No stress. I just got to look like an idiot for a little while. Well, you look fine. And by the way, um I some people in here know that uh Kevin and I go back actually worked with Kevin’s wife at one of the accounting firms that uh that where I got my start before I realized I wasn’t going to be very good accountant. So um how’s Steph doing? How are the kids doing? Steph’s good. Kids are good. She says hello. And yeah, so we go we go way back. She’s up she’s upstairs cooking the gold books right now. Clay. Oh, awesome. And then do we have a daughter the same age or close to the same age? Uh close to the same age. I believe we have a volleyball players in the family. Yes. I think yours is a yours plays club though. Mine mine’s more of a bowler but uh is bowlers. Yeah. So my youngest Olivia is in first year university and very proud dad moment. She is playing div 2 volleyball at the University of Hawaii Hilo. So I am exceptionally proud of her for the work that’s gone into that and getting that opportunity. I’m also jealous as hell because you know on the rare time she gets an off day it’s the beach and surf. So not a bad way to go to college. So, didn’t you and Steph go down to help settle her in kind of thing? You bet you we did. I I got the short end in the short trip. Steph just, you know, a little There’s a little helicopter in there, Clay. She She was down there for a good three weeks making sure Lib was settled in and uh enjoying the sunshine for close to a month. That’s not a bad way to roll. Well, Div 2 volleyball, good for her. That’s wonderful. That is wonderful. Thank you, sir. Yeah. No, that’s awesome. Well, thank you for for taking the time. And um so not being sarcastic, are you able to watch both games though even though you couldn’t be there on Thursday night? Oh yeah, just in just shades in a fairly dark room with the uh the brightness turned down on the television so I can Yeah. Geez, I can even see it sometimes. Well, I remember a year ago last year, you came on here and we had a really good honest uh frank chat about just uh information and injury, but we don’t have to go through that. The fact is, wow, 180 degrees night and day at Thatcher. He looks like you are the goalie expert. I am a guy who loves watching hockey and I just see a guy that’s so calm, looks so big, is easy to go left to right and just always square. But you can get as technical as you want because I think people will love it. Why is Demco looking so good just two games in? Because he’s healthy. Um, you know, I mean, this this is healthy Thatcher Demco. I mean, the reality is he’s an elite goalender. He two years ago he was a VZN trophy finalist. Two years before that, you know, like this is sort of the pattern. Every second year he has a healthy off seasonason. When he has a healthy offseason, he has a good regular season. And then what tends to happen at the end of the healthy regular seasons, something happens injury-wise that prevents him from having a healthy off season and that bleeds into the next year. So hopefully for his sake, for the Canucks sakes, for fan sakes, this is the year that trend ends and he gets to the finish line healthy and can not only have a healthy season, which would be his first and five as a number one, but go into the offseason and continue to build on it and and follow up with a healthy year next year. Um, but this is just, you know, the two years before two years ago, he was just as good. you just couldn’t see it behind the defense and the way they played and the sort of fire wagon hockey that Bruce Budro was was was playing. So like he’s been this guy for a while and this is just what he looks like when he’s healthy. He’s elite. Um now last year around this time I said I thought that he could play himself into the four nations discussion. What I was what I was naive towards was just, you know, the impact of missing so much time in the offseason. And that was that was on me for thinking that he’d just like he has done many times before, come off an injury and be great right away. That was just too big an ass given how little training and preparation he had last season. So, we have a down year, but he’s had the preparation this year. The only thing I think that looks slightly different is some of his postplay habits, and it’s it’s really subtle. Um, but there’s a little less inside out uh in terms of how he enters his post in the reverse. A little more downhill into it and steer back into flat angle into alignment rather than inside out into alignment. And I wonder um if that’s a little bit of joint preservation and maybe a little easier on the body than the other way. There’s really I mean the only sort of limitation it’s not like you slow into it. um getting that back foot down in alignment. About the only thing it could cost you every once in a while is not rather than post to post. Your post across push might not be as flat as you want. You might not go post to post. You might overshoot it. You might have to reach. We saw it on the a little bit. Although he wasn’t in a reverse on that dry cidle say you might have to make more saves where you’re reaching behind you rather than getting your body across. Um but as we saw last night, he’s also perfectly capable of that. That was sensational. And so that’s what you get like you know a lot of those saves early in the first period a lot of the Oilers ability to get into the sort of middle low slot area for those pop passes from below the goal line and off the wall. um you know those are just size positioning and ceiling and good anticipation but then he’s got that reactive game on top of it right like this is Sacho at his best and the only questions that he really has to answer at this point will take time and that’s that’s a matter of sort of playing at this level although you know nobody does at this level for months on months on months there’s always going to be little ups and downs in a season but playing at this level more consistently over a year and making it to the finish line healthy and when you have a guy like Kevin Lankinet hopefully come in and spell you maybe on a more regular basis as good as Demco was the other night. Um the temptation to just keep rolling with him. We saw what that cost him two years ago, right? Like there was no need for him to be on a 65game pace for six weeks coming out of the All-Star break and ultimately that’s what he was on when he when he hurt his knee. So um listen, everything looks great. Everything is shaping up for him to be excellent this season. That’s the kind of goalender that is. And and as much as I was wrong about Four Nations last year, I I said it months ago. I said it before we had any signs of this, based on the patterns of every second year and what a healthy offseason means to his performance and how good we know he can be, I do expect him to get back into that mix. And at least in the conversation, as hard as that American roster will be to crack given the quality of goalending, I’ve got him at his best ahead of a lot of the guys that are on that team right now. So, um, we’ll see if they agree, but I I do think that’s part of the equation. And that complicates things for the Canucks, too, because now you’re talking about no break in the middle of February. You’re talking about going to the other side of the world into Italy and playing for a couple more weeks. And and again, I think that increases the importance of not just having, but using Kevin Lankin and effectively. Yeah, you read my mind. So I I want to talk about Lankan in a second but before that I was going to ask you it’s funny how last year is about four nations and I remember us talking about that this year it’s about Olympics. So I I think we’d agree that Joey Decord is is the one odd man out. So could you see him between the Halabakur and Swayman mix Demco’s right in there. Could he elevate all the way to number two or even number one in that group of four? I mean listen Connor Halabuk’s done what Connor Hellbuck has done right and he got them to the gold medal game at the Four Nations. Um he won a heart trophy last year. He’s a three-time V Bezno winner. Although I I would say two years ago Demco doesn’t injure the knee in March. I think that was his vess to lose the way things were trending that season. So it’s going to be pretty tough to overcome Connor Halbot. Um you know, Swayman’s a hell of a goal and he’s off to a good start. And we all know Jake got 26 years old. He’s been to three straight Western Conference finals. But again, I do think that at their best, you know, at when they’re really going, um, I I give Demco a nod ahead of both those other two guys just ever so slightly, right? Like like I just think there is there’s a little more technical and athletic upside. Yeah. Ever so slightly on Jay Gotter. Swayman’s got the same thing, right? So, it’s really going to be a matter of and and it’s hard to do this, hard to predict. Like, honestly, I said a couple like I said, pick him and if he gets hurt before the Olympics, you’ve got an out. Yeah. But the truth is that like the history might prevent them from picking him. They might just be like, “Let’s take a safe. Let’s take somebody who like the reality is availability is a key ability for goalenders.” And whether it’s Hella or Auter or Swayman, like those guys have been really durable in their, you know, for for for Swayman still a really young career, but like Jake’s played a lot of games for 26 year olds. So, you know, we’ll see. We’ll have to like a lot of things with the connect season. Um, as tempting as it is to overreact to two games, we’re just going to have to wait and see on a bunch of it and that includes Demco in the Olympics. But no question, um, he has that ability. He’s that good. And um I guess for Kucks fans, it’s nice to see him start the season reminding the the the hockey world of that fact. Yeah. No, great point. Actually, and before we go to Kevin Lankin, and since we’re talking about Olympics, um and the fact we’re facing Jordan Bennington and the Blues tomorrow, do you anticipate Benn Bennington to be the man when it comes to Italy next year, or do you do you see someone else kind of rising up there? Um Jay hit a dinger. Oh, already. Yeah. Yeah. Just just glanced over my shoulder. I say, can I say it? Game five was going to be costly given the amount of pitchers we went through at Seattle. Anyways, sorry, back to that. Um, Bennington, um, we presume will be starting tomorrow. Uh, the Blues canceled their practice today and so we didn’t have a chance to ask that. Uh, he had a bit of a tough tough first outing against, uh, Minnesota. Not that it was all on him. And Joel Hoffer had a hell of an outing against Calgary. still presume you go back to Bennington. He’s earned that right against the Canucks. But be curious to see. I do think that it is his job to lose at the Olympics. The interesting thing to me about Benner is like the five seasons previous to last year, like right back to winning a cup, like his adjusted numbers. He was the only Canadian in the top 10 in adjusted numbers in the National Hockey League. Like even in years where there’s been a lot of criticism about his performance based on the raw numbers in St. Lewis, the reality is he’s been the best part of that team on a lot of nights. Like they have leaned on their goalender to bail them out and he’s delivered. And I I think when you have an environment that loose defensively prior to the coaching change last year, there’s going to be times in the year where the unpredictability of it’s just going to it. I believe that bad environments for goalenders have a cumulative effect. And so inevitably, it’s hard to maintain it for a year. But over the course of those five years, he was exceptional. Interestingly enough, last year statistically was his first down year in six and still saw what he could do at the Four Nations. If he were to have another significantly down year statistically, does that change? I don’t think it changes him being on the team. I don’t think it changes him getting first dip. Does a leash get shorter? I guess it’ll I guess it’s possible, but but it’s it’s kind of like the playoffs a little bit. as much as we like to look at numbers and sort of um overall numbers and performance relative to the shot quality you face and sometimes just having a goalie like Edmonton all they need is a goalie to not give up the bad ones right like and and their goalies are great at no low and medium day like they take care of the easy ones but when you get to the playoffs it’s about being able to stop the tough ones like Sergey Babski’s been below average for two straight regular seasons and he gets to the postseason he stops all the tough ones bullets in teeth and all that and he wins two cups, right? Like actually what you need out of your goalenders is a little bit different. And I think we saw that out of Bennington in that gold medal game against USA. Like the ability to go outside the box, outside the butterfly box, quote unquote, and come up with answers in unique situations and moments and make dynamic momentum changing saves. And so it is kind of interesting like you can build a team without elite goalending that might even get you to the playoffs. And we saw it, we’ve seen a couple teams win cups without necessarily elite goalending. The Colorado Avalanche most recently, as much as Keer has been a really good goalender throughout his career, like they didn’t get good goalending in that playoff run. Neither guy was above expected. So, right. Um, but now I think you’re sort of seeing that need to, you know, you just got to be able to make big moment saves. As cliched as that sound, and we’ve seen it from Bob and we saw it from Bennington at the Four Nations. So that alone may be enough to keep him ahead of some less experienced in big moment goalenders, you know, whether it’s a Blackwood when he gets back for Colorado or a Logan Thompson who’s, you know, putting together the start of another good season in Washington. So I still think it’s Binners on the team for sure and it’ll be his job to lose. But if he has another down year like last year, if that opening night is a sign of things to come in St. Louis, then maybe it’s one worth keeping an eye on as we get closer to February. If not Bennington, Kevin, who? Um, you mentioned Thompson, you mentioned Blackwood. I know Montbo is getting some love. Like, what do you think? Trying to remember who is even the backup. Oh, Aiden Hill as well. Don’t forget him. Um, although he’s off to a bit of a tough start in in Vegas. Don’t think he had a great playoffs. I know Vegas before they resigned him to that contract was fishing around at other guys with term looking. So, um, you know, it’s a little like it’s tough because you almost want to go hot hand and you can’t wait to see who’s hot in February. You have to name your team early. Logan Thompson’s fascinating. I thought he was really good in the playoffs for Washington last year. He was obviously exceptional during the regular season. His numbers dipped heavy after he signed the contract, which was interesting, but still overall on the year really good. The thing there that you just keep hearing is like um you know two of the guys that are were are on that Team Canada staff had him in in Vegas and for whatever reason you know I’m not sure I’m not sure there was a love affair there between him and that that not just that but those coaching staffs and I wonder if that that’s enough to keep him off the team even if performance dictates he should be on it. Wow, that’s fascinating. Oh, that’s really interesting. I never thought about that. Yeah. Wow. two of his So you said two of his former or two coaches that were on the same coaching staff are on the two different coaches from Vegas. So obviously Bruce Cassidy had him in Vegas and and Pete Debor had him in Vegas and both are on team Canada staff. Gotcha. Very very good. Wait, let’s bounce over to Kevin Lankin and so because I remember last year obviously when we when we met we would have had no idea that he was going to have such a strong season and how he was so important to the Canucks at least almost playoff push. uh talk to us um again technical or as non-technical as you want. What makes him so good? Uh either similar in contrast to Demco as a as a reference point too. Oh, let’s Hey, well, hold on here. What do you mean we had no idea? Somebody was You had somebody was shouting from the like rooftops from July 1st on that teams needed to sign this guy because he had really good underlying numbers in the previous two years in Nashville, right? Right. And obviously we know what he did at the World Championships and his time in in Chicago. And so, you know, and not just and I don’t just mean here in Vancouver. Honestly, I didn’t think they’d get him at the ticket they got him at. Uh I was I have weekly radio hits in Edmonton as well, and I was screaming from July one on to sign that guy. Maybe they’ve got a cup if they do. He was exceptional at the beginning of the season. Now, as the games played piled up, the performance definitely dropped. Um obviously, the performance in front of him cratered. What he did really well was keep them in games. Like there were so many nights where they weren’t good early where they gave up a lot of high danger stuff, a lot of off the rush. He’s a great skater, holds edges well and that enables them to manage oddman rush chances. And there were so many times where he just kept them in games until they found their legs and got them going. His numbers through the first month and a half last season, like those are the kind of numbers that win your heart trophies. The fact he wasn’t able to sustain it, like to me, that’s just that’s not an indictment of him so much as nobody does, right? Like that was just an absolute heater. What a great way to make a first impression. I do think there were some lessons learned about workload. When you’re the guy, you have less time to work on your game and you need to spend more time working on your rest. And it’s a really difficult balance the first couple times you go through it. And even though he’d done it a little more in Chicago, that was years ago. And so, I mean, he looks right back to the golf tournament um when he first showed up and there was all the attention on, you know, Patterson six extra kilos and what did that look like? I thought Kevin Lankin and just looked fantastic, right? Like I thought uh Oh man, did the Jays hit another home run? Are you serious? I’m serious. Am I like No, they’re just replaying the first one. Thank goodness. Sorry. I’m like I mean my vision’s compromised at best. You’re clay. I’m catching it out of the side here. So it’s I appreciate you, man. I appreciate that’s just Rogers. They’re going to replay that. You’re going to see that home run every 30 seconds for the next two days. Anyways, um the Where was I? You know, Kevin Lakin, uh, great skater. Um, he’s not powerful in his pushes, but he’s really fast. And so there’s times you’ll see him top of the crease to back post, actually have to grab an edge and twice. And for most guys, that’s one edge all the way back to the back post. So there there there’s a little like he bleeds power because he doesn’t have as much rotation back to the post um as other guys, but he’s so fast that he gets there regardless. There’s a control element to his game. Um there’s some exposure off to the flanks on second chances, but I think their defense, the way they come back and sort of take care of the house protects him in that like it’s a really nice mix of his strengths uh and their strengths. So, um it’s, you know, like at the end of the day, he’s been a really good goalie for three years. And I believe that uh with a good balanced workload, you’re going to get more of the guy that you got for the first couple months last season as opposed to, you know, the second half guy which was, you know, below expected, below below uh average based on the shot quality he faced. But we know historically that he’s better than that. Um, and so again, it’s gonna what they’re gonna have to avoid the temptation to say, “Hey, wow, like Thatcher was incredible last night. We got to go back to him.” Like to me, this has got to be a two of every three. That’s 54 for Thatcher. And yeah, you know, still not quite enough. You know, that’s just 28 for Lankin and it’s probably your better mix is 5032. So yeah, you know, and and we’re going to get our first test of that tomorrow, Clay. Like Canucks canceled practice today. They didn’t have a they’re not having a morning skate tomorrow. I’m really curious like if it’s two out of every three three it’s Lanken tomorrow, but they’re off till Thursday. So maybe they’re you know that’s your first chance to be tempted to be like man Thatcher was so damn good in Edmonton. We got to go back to him. I’m really curious to see which way they go. Right. Right. Right. And then uh then back toback, right? Thursday, Friday. Right. Exactly. So you’re splitting that one regardless. So, you know, maybe you say, “Yeah, we can play Thatcher for the first five.” You know, first three here, 4:30 start tomorrow, and then you’re off till Thursday, play Lankin on Thursday, Thatcher on Friday. There’s plenty of break time there. I just again, I mean, to me, bigger picture, it’s if you’ve got a plan, stick with it. And if it is two out of three, which gets us around the workload that they seem to be targeting internally for him, that means tomorrow’s Lankin’s turn. And you got to have faith that he can be that guy. Yes. Yes. So this year we have Lankin at four five and Demco his last year of his five and then next year it shoots up to eight or eight and a half plus the four and a half. So regardless of the salary cap going up and um are you is it wise to spend that much money in goalending especially these two goalies. Clay I might have to get on a flight here. I think they need a pitcher in in in Toronto. I might start warming up. This is not this is not going well. It’s just one nothing, but it’s first and second, one out, and a dinger already on the board. So, oh no. Again, when you’ve got to use that many arms in 15 innings in game five. I should have known this, but this is a tough one for the Seattle fan, the guy who grew up driving to Seattle to watch Griffy and Buuner and all those guys. So, anyways, let’s get back to hockey because No, but I am going to ask that as we close, just why the love for the Mariners, but we’ll get to that at the end. Yeah. So, okay. So, where were we before I was distracted by my team’s inability to pitch a strike? 9.5 this year, 13 point or 13 going forward. Is that uh fair for what the Conucks need and what these guys are giving the Conucks? Yeah, I mean, listen, um it’s kind of it’s it’s really easy in retrospect to look at some of the other contracts that have been handed out and say that they overpaid a little bit. Um, when you take a look at Philip Gustoson has been, you talk about one year on, one year off, Philip G, Philip Gustiffson has been two great years and one bad year in between in Minnesota. And overall is six in the NHL in adjusted numbers in between those two. And in the two years where he was good, he was number one in the NHL and goal saved above expected in adjusted say percent like like in those two years combined, he’s a hell of a goalie and they locked him up for 6.8 eight. And so you look at Anthony Stler’s is a 1A 1B, might be the best in the league, best adjusted say percentage in the last three years. He comes with injury questions, but you get him at 375 in Toronto and you compare that to Lanken and Okay, so it’s not bad overpays, but you know, they’re, you know, based on what other guys are getting, they’re a little bit of an overpay, but if you got the room to pull it off, you knew you had to invest in a guy who could give you number one minutes um because of the injury history of Thatcher. And I mean, I I’ll be honest, I didn’t think there wasn’t a contract extension coming despite both sides. I got that one wrong for Demco. I got that one wrong publicly. I said both sides can say all they want about wanting to get a deal done. I didn’t see it happening because frankly I didn’t see them going to eight and a half. So, and I didn’t think he’d sign for less. I thought he’d bet on himself, play the year out because again that pattern of every second year and cash in big in free agency. I really did not think that we that that they’d come to that deal because I really did not think they’d spend eight and a half. Like that is not this management group’s MMO. So, but at the at the very least, if you’re going to overpay, overpay in an important position and make sure that you have a, you know, the best goalie on the ice, pretty much you have a chance to have the best goalie on the ice every single night. That’s not a bad place to be if you’re a Canucks fan. Even if you maybe have to trim the roster a little bit in other spots to make it happen. Oh, cap’s going up. So, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where would you put the I know off the top of your head. Are we going to do rankings, Clay? You going to make me do rankings? Well, no, not full. Well, I’d say where would you put the Kucks tandem in in the league? Are they top five? Are they top? They’re top they’re top five. I know in this market everybody just deacto says they’re the best tandem in the league. The reality is there are a lot of there are some other really good goalending tandemss. Listen, we’ve already talked about how good Demco is. Absolutely has the ability to be the best tandem in the league. It does 100% it could be that this year they have that in them. I am not questioning that. But the reality of the last three years, if I look at it in totality, there are a couple others out there that can make an argument, you know, um, to be in that same category that, you know, could you could make arguments for all of them to sort of be in the top five. Would I be surprised if at the end of the year the Vancouver Conucks have the top 10 this year? Um, you know, if they keep defending, well, like they did against Calgary as opposed to like they did against Edmonton, if the penalty kill holds up. Um, yeah, absolutely they could. But just, you know, it’s like the it’s like when you know, like like Patrick Aine wasn’t wrong when he said like if he had said we have one of the best depth charts of goalending in the NHL, but he said we have the best depth chart. And it’s okay for them to believe that because I like Aku Koskin Vu. I like Tai Young. Alexe Medvidev is probably the best goalie in this last year’s draft. I had multiple teams tell me he they had him number one and the Canucks got him in the second round. Wow. Um Nikita Tolapilo who signed here specifically to work with Ian Clark has taken a stride this year. It looks like like he’s not getting opened up. He’s not as slow laterally as he was. Like he looks really good right now. So absolutely they’re one of the best. But you know I look at Trey Augustine and Sebastian Kosa and Troy. I look at the depth chart that the LA Kings have built uh of young goalenders and and it’s just not the slam dunk that people in this market hear the GM say that and they’re like we’re the best. And I’m like, you know, there are some other teams that might have an argument there. But listen, their tandem has the ability to be the best. They’re definitely a top five tandem. And their depth chart is in the same conversation. Yeah. No, actually, you touched on the two things I was going to wind up asking about. The first one is the goalies in our system. The Yeah. The name I can’t say. Is it Kenvu? Is that how you say it? Kenvu. At least that’s how I always say it. Let’s hope I get it right. He’s big, right? He’s massive. Oh, they’re all massive. Um, no. Yeah. And they and they’re not just big, they’re long. That’s what they look for. Length. You can be really big. Stuart Skinner’s big, but he has no width in his butterfly. He doesn’t have a lot of extension. You get him to his knees and he’s stuck. He doesn’t have that length. The ability that has to make that that save on dry side a lesson. That’s length. That’s what they look for in their goalenders. It’s not just And length isn’t just physical. It can be in terms of butterfly width, the ability to stretch, flexibility, mobility. You can find length in compete as well. Artur isn’t a tall goalie. They list him at six foot. That might be as somebody somebody in uh in in New York after the opener put to me, they they sent me a text message. They’re like, “How’s this guy listed at 6’4?” I’m like, “I don’t know. He’s at best 61, maybe six.” I look him eye to eye and they’re like, “That might be the most generous listing for height that I’ve ever seen in the NHL.” Um, but he he had length, not just flexibility, but the way he competed laterally down low, like trying to beat Artur Sheiloffs down low in tight, good luck, right? Because he has that length. So, all their guys have that. It’s one of the attributes that they look for when they’re drafting. Medbedv has it. Um, their edge control. Like there’s a lot of different elements that goes into sort of the the in Clark seven elements of elite goalending and finding the right balance of them all. But I know they prioritize that one at a at a pretty high level. Well, uh Medvidev uh early, but could he be a starter in this league easily? Oh yeah, but 100%. Like he like his upside like I like what Tai Young did as a first year pro last year. like top 10 in the ECHL in save percentage, 80 and I think 80 and three or 83 and 0 in the in the American Hockey League. Like people forget that. I’ve had like I can’t tell you like dozens and dozens of goalenders over the years. Too many to count when they ask you, you ask them what the biggest step is in their career, they never say to the NHL. It’s always junior or college to first year pro, especially the American League. It’s a massive step. And for him to make it as smoothly as he did last year, like that’s really impressive. So don’t discount Tai Young. Aku Koskin Vuo, can he make that step this year? There’s some questions about sort of the way he reads the game, but everything he does technically um the way he executes the system they’ve built for their goalies is, you know, it’s it’s really impressive. So um yeah, there there’s there’s there’s a lot of good goalies. Meadev has the upside to be the best of the bunch. Yeah. You know, you look at the way he holds edges. Marco Tyrannius first thing he said to me like he thought he had a little he had a little vassie in him like in terms of the way he moved from his knees his hands. He compared them to two caras. I’m like those are pretty nice comparables. But development’s never linear, right? Like he’s years away from arriving. Lots of things can happen between now and then. But certainly the up and that’s why I I hesitate to I actually think there’s enough upside there that Patrick Alvine isn’t wrong. um that they will have that that top pipeline. But with Medvid at being so young, just turning 18 going into the season and with so many years ahead of him before we really know. As confident as I am now, I mean, the reality is, like I said, development’s rarely linear and a lot of things can happen between now and when he’s ready to turn pro, let alone take strike. I mean, we’re like we could be five years away from him in the NHL. So, Right. Right. Awesome. One more question from me, then one from a viewer, and then you can go watch your baseball. Um, Dustin Wolf starts uh in Vancouver on Thursday after going eight rounds in the shootout the night before in Edmonton. Short flight, I know, but it’s still late. It’s still back to back. Are what’s the reason there? They just have no confidence in Kulie or they thought Wolf is fine. Do Do they go to the goalie and say, “Hey, how you feeling? I’m fine. Okay, you’re in.” Like, how does that work? And were you surprised? Um, definitely the goalie has a it’s not do you want it? Usually it’s a conversation with goalie, probably medical staff, and probably the goalie coach about how the goalie is feeling. Um, you know, we’ve seen reports from Elliot Freriedman, uh, and other insiders about the Flames perhaps pursuing somebody on the backup market. I don’t think Provattov or Kulie had the preeason they wanted. And and then that is not just the 8-1 game against the Canucks because Prosov actually looked pretty good out in Abbottzford. I watched that one live. Um, he’s got a ton of potential. he just needs to sort of shorten some of his routes and maybe not play as aggressively on his initial positioning, but like the athleticism and the power is just like it’s it’s all there. Um and and Kulie just like like you know up until a concussion twothirds of the way through last year like he sailed through the American League with like a 940 save percentage for half a season and then the concussion sort of derailed him and it’s been hard to find his confidence. But like I believe there’s a goalie there. The problem is the Flames require like Dustin Wolf wasn’t just good. He was outstanding last year. His adjusted save percentage was just a tick below Connor Halib and Halleuck won the heart. Like just most people can’t see it because the defensive environment is so tough and it sure as hell hasn’t got easier the first three games of the season. Like they don’t look good. And so if you require Vzna caliber goalending to have a chance to win and in the case of the opening game game against Edmonton, you required Vzna caliber goalending and a bit of a you know brain cramp by the guy at the other end on a dump in to win that game to even be tied in that game, right? Like, so if you require that level to have a chance and your two backups are inexperienced sort of quote unquote journeymen, then yeah, I understand why you might have a confidence crisis. And and if you don’t have the confidence to play them, then go sign James Rhymer. Like sign someone that that that’s played in the NHL can and at least knows how to sort of instill instill that confidence, you know, even if it’s not warranted. And I don’t mean not warranted in the goalender, but like man, like if they require superman performances every night, I I guess just let’s put it this way, Clay. Like I don’t And I know they’re missing Hubo. I just I haven’t liked a lot and the numbers don’t like a lot in terms of what we’ve seen. Like the Flames were full value for hanging in last year, but this is this is not a pretty start for them this season. And I don’t think it matters. Like you could you could you could have a couple of Hall of Famers in net and if you’re gonna play like that it’s not going to matter. Right. Right. Right. And I got one question from Irvin on X. We saw offense spike in the 80s. Then goending evolve coinciding with the dead puck era. Now shooting percentage has gone way back up. What’s the next progression of hockey to be in terms of I guess uh offense and defense and goalending which are well it it better be a swing back to the goalenders because we’re getting killed right now. Save percentage is like at its lowest point in like 20 years and yeah all these stats that I keep getting shoved at me from the scores. So I don’t know man like I think we’re living that like obviously um Irvin Bwervin has a great point. we’re living this sort of the current progression is that shooting percentage up say percentage down and there’s a couple factors here so I can’t tell you what the next one is. I don’t have a crystal ball and truth be told I’m not that smart. I’d be making a lot more money if I actually knew what was going to happen next. Um but I can tell you why this is happening now and I’ve done a couple of pieces on it where I got really extensive and dug into this conversation with a lot of goalies run league goalie coaches some of the best development people in the game. Um there’s a couple factors here. one, for like 20 plus years, goalies were so far ahead of the shooters. Like every summer, I would go to goalie camp starting in July and watch these guys work on their craft. While shooters were focused on bigger, stronger, faster, and lowering their handicap, goalies were focused on technique, tactics. They worked on their skills. And it’s in the last 10, especially in the last five, that shooters have started to work on their skills rather than just that bigger, stronger, faster stuff, right? Like, and so now we see just elite level. Like, the skill is off the charts. Like, it’s incredible what these players can do. I I went out to eight ranks and um you know, shout out to Kybo Hockey and and Justin Ry who’s with the Seattle Kraken, the skill session he runs out there. I went and watched Celibbrini and Bedard several times this summer and and Kent Johnson and all these, you know, uh, great young players from the area and the stuff they do is just like, are you kidding me? Give the goalies a chance. I actually happen to know some of the goalies that were out there and they’re pretty good and man like it’s it was tough. So, there’s that. So, you’ve got that. You also have and this is the biggest reason for the percentage drops. So you got all that talent and you got teams that have are using analytics, including clear side analytics to recognize that a lot of the ways they used to try and score were actually low danger chances. That a lot of the things that make a crowd go oo are actually just turnovers. Like it’s not a quality chance. Like unless you move the puck east west Yeah. goalies get that 99% of the time even from prime areas. And so I’ve sat next to goalie coaches. There’s a couple guys around the league that when their team comes into town will actually come into the press box and sit next to me to watch the game, which is pretty cool. And you just have conversations and, you know, I’ve sat there as as as a couple of them mutter like turnover, turnover, and the crowd’s going oo as the play goes down the wing and a guy blasts it and he’s like, “That’s a turnover.” And when you talk to players and you talk to goalies around the league, like teams are not taking those shots like they used to. Yeah. you know, the Corsy merchants, uh, the ones that would just pile up the shot attempts. Yep. You can score, you know, and I’ve talked about this with talk last year, you know, like like point shots, especially when you have a guy like Quinn Hughes, like if you can hit the top corner, either top corner over my blocker or my glove from the point with two pieces of traffic or what we’d call a layered screen, puck goes in more than a breakaway. That’s a 40 plus percent scoring chance in the National Hockey League. So don’t tell me that that like shots from the point can be effective. Not many guys can get it through all that traffic as effectively as a Quinn Hughes, but those are effective scoring chances. So it’s not like this isn’t all about east west and and and things like that. But shots from the top of the circle where you have a chance where the goalie’s got a chance to set and square on you unless you are perfect with it and ain’t going in like Austin Matthews shoots less than 5% from there and he’s one of the best shooters in the league. Um, you know, it’s funny because I saw I thought actually last night, Clay, I thought there were some great examples even with my pathetic eyes that I was able to see uh the Bousard lowh high seam pass on the power play where he caught it, dusted it off, and then Demco made a great save on the glove. And there was another one with the young uh European guy who’s taken highman spot. Similar type of play. Tom Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tomasic, sorry. Yeah. Um, and both cases they dusted it off. They caught it, settled it, and then shot. And you could actually see because the the camera work that Hockey Knight does is exceptional because they had it. So you could see the pass coming, you could see the goalie. You actually see in both cases the catching it and dusting it off, holding on to it and trying to pick their spot gives Demco a time to regain his edge and get up and set. Whereas if they one tee it, he’s still sliding. He’s still moving. And so that chance a lot of people saw I posted the clear side analytics numbers from last night. The Canucks had zero high danger chances by the way. People were surprised to see Edmonton only with nine. But dusting those off makes them not high danger. And so there are instances there where I think we can go to school on this. I saw a great thing with Chris Krider who actually worked with Steven Velicette the year before he came became a 50 goal scorer talking about what changed for him. It was the understanding that, you know, again, this is to speak to all the scoring, the understanding that um, hey, like if I catch that puck, my whole life I’ve thought, oh, if I just just just get it settled on my stick, head up, pick my spot, pick a corner, that’s the best way to score. Him finally understanding that getting it off his stick blade in less than half a second with the goalie still moving actually increased his chances of scoring by three to four times. That’s what made him a 50 goal scorer. And in both those instances, like Evan Buchard lets go with a one-time there, his odds of scoring go up significantly over catching it, holding, letting Demco catch his edge, and trying to beat him clean with what becomes almost a clear-sighted shot. So, um, probably mid- danger because of the area that was still in the that was not in the funnel, was still in the high slot. So, anyways, that’s the point, but teams understand this now, right? And so all those low danger chances that teams used to take, they don’t anymore. And so you talk to goalies around the league, they’ll be like, “Ah, if I see 30 shots right now, 15 of them are high danger or 12 are high danger.” In the past, I would see 30 shots and 20 would be low danger. Now it might be eight or nine or 10. Teams do not waste low danger chances. So if you’ve got the whole league not taking, and those are the shots that a lot of goalies relied on to feel good, to to sort of we call them the 99enters. They they they just help you feel good about your game. They’re easy saves. You control them. You put it in the corner. You put it off the glass. You put it into the stands. You get a whistle. Everything settles down again. Teams aren’t taking those shots anymore. So, if the whole league is taking fewer easy shots, what’s going to happen? Say percentage is going to decline and and shooting percentage is going to go up. So, it really is at its foundation an understanding of how to score and an embracement of analytics. And so as much as like people like, “Oh, say percentage has never been lower or it hasn’t been this low in 20 years.” I’m like, “Yeah, but the goalending’s never been better.” I honestly believe that. So, how do those two things coexist? That’s my explanation. That is Wow, Kev, thank you. That is an awesome answer, Irvin. Thank you for asking that question. That was such a good answer. And even independent of all the stats and everything, I just watched the Oilers and they and my kids were watching with me yesterday and just the both on um five on five and power play. They they go across the crease all the time and it just Yeah, I’m Deco made some amazing safety yesterday, but I’m surprised the Oilers didn’t pump like six or seven behind them yesterday. Well, they could have and and they understand they understand and they’ve got play like at the end of the day, it’s really easy for me to sit here and say make lateral plays. Yeah. Right. And but you have to have the skill to pull it off course, right? You have to you have to have an understanding of these things. The one thing they do better than anyone off that power play when they get you moving around and then they create a shot. Man, this is something that Tocket used to talk about a lot last year. They don’t reset. They just attack off the rebound. P a pass off a rebound is one of the most dangerous chances in hockey. It’s like a 65% scoring chance. pass off a rebound. And when they get the power play, Dry Sidle goes right to his spot on a dead angle and they just try and chip pucks over to him knowing that that pass off a rebound is so tough for a goalender and he has the ability to hit from that angle. Like so like in those situations, you got to have somebody win a battle and you got to have them know where where the opening I just have a guy find space creeping off to the side. If you can find him, it’s going in bet almost two out of three times. Amazing stuff. And as Helen says, this is so enlightening. I would agree. And it I don’t know if that was an intentional play on words because you were sitting in the dark, but Kev, you’re I appreciate that. If it is, that was that was really well done. I’m old. I’m a dad. I can appreciate good puns. Yeah. There you go. Well, thank you, Kevin. I appreciate you. Happy Thanksgiving. Do you guys got the dinner tonight or did you do it already or you got it tomorrow? We were in Victoria uh to see the in-laws yesterday, Steph’s mom, and so we had uh we had we had a small dinner. Um, I recovered this morning. So, it’s uh, yeah, going to go lie on the couch and have some leftovers now. We brought some Awesome. And the and the Mariners, you you quickly mentioned that you used to go down when you were little to watch the games in the Kingdom. Oh, yeah. 100%. I grew up playing like baseball was my first love. Uh, played it up to just like played I played all my American Legion ball in the States. And so, um, like I this is not a Blue Jays dig. Like, trust me, I get it. When I was in university, I cheered for the Jays to win their first World Series. But I just grew up I grew up playing down there. I grew up playing down there like six days a week. Um and I grew up watching Griffy and and and Buuner and Ed and Edgar and um Randy Johnson and the Kingdome. And so for me that’s first love actually for me one of the best years of my life was I got to play out of Joe Martin Stadium in Bellingham uh American Legion Ball and that was the home of the Single A Mariners. So as much as a lot of Canadians sorry Vancouver Canadians fans are now rooted with the Blue Jays and and the Blue Jays do amazing things in the community with their Jays care and challenger baseball. So I appreciate and love all of that. I get it. Um, but you can imagine this back in my day, you know, the Vancouver Canadians were a White Sox affiliate and I was playing in a ballpark that was the single A affiliate of the Seattle Mariners in Bellingham. And so that’s where the connection is deep. So if the Jays beat the Mariners, I will cheer for the Jays to win a World Series. But head-to-head, I’ve got to put on the old Griffy jersey and I’ve got to root for Seattle. You know, I had JPAD on just before you. He said the exact same sentiment. Not as maybe as rooted as you, but same thing. He’s not he’s cheering against the Blue Jays. He’s cheering for the Mariners. Well, and people forget like cuz you know corporately Sportsnet I hate to say they kind of shove the Jays down our throat a little bit. I don’t mean that to sound bitter because there’s nights where it’s great to throw have a ball game on, but there was a time not that long ago when we used to get like every Mariners game on up in this market and I I can remember throwing those games on more often than not. So again, it’s just just the era I came from. the the Mariners were a little closer to home for me and and I’m not going to abandon that fandom completely. Be a heck of a it’s gonna be fun. It’s gonna be heck of a series. I look I’m looking forward to it for and I hope I just hope both teams have fun. And lastly, were you on Douglas Street yesterday? Uh Coach Rob who lives in Victoria because you said you were in Victoria yesterday, right? I was in Victoria yesterday. Um but I went my family was would have been down there but I didn’t. I hid in the basement and and put on the sunglasses and tried to do some work yesterday. So, that’s fair. Well, Kev, I appreciate you making this work. I wish you the best and the quickest recovery. And, uh, I was going to make a bad joke about I’ll see you at the rink, but you won’t see me. But that’s very rude. I wouldn’t not say that. So, it’s it’s true, Clay. I hope I see you at the rink, buddy. Hey, if I can go shameless plug here. Uh, Kucks Autism Network tournament is coming up next weekend. Uh, on my Twitter account, which is Kevinis goal. Um, we’ve got a couple of different ways that you can win and help support the cause. I’ve got, if I didn’t have to have the lights on, you’d see a a vintage Black Skate Lynen jersey that anybody that donates to my page is automatically entered to win. And then Sportsnet 650, the team I’m playing on uh, and have for several years has created a raffle. So, if you enter the Kucks Autism 5050 draw and you t you enter it on behalf of the Sportsnet team and those links are all in my in my Twitter right now, you’ll automatically be entered to win uh top prizes, a lower bowl seats to a game, broadcast tour, hockey night in Canada towels, and trust me, those are precious. Um, and a signed Person or signed Megan Augusta Team Canada Olympic jersey and a meet and greet with Megan at the Conucks. So, it’s all for a great cause. Autism. Couple different ways to win and like I said, it all supports them. So, draws are actually on Wednesdays. There’s only a few days left. Kevin is in goal if you want to check it out. All the links are there. Clay, thank you for letting me do that, buddy. My No, actually, I truly I meant to I had that on my notes and I forgot to get to it. So, thank you. So, everyone check it out. Kevin is in goal onx on Twitter and you can follow his links and then support the Kucks Autism Network and a really great cause. So, Kev, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. rest well and I will see you truly I’ll see you soon hopefully around. Thanks Clay. Thanks for having me. Thanks for all you do. Keeping it positive in Kucks Nation. Love it. Um you’re a good man and uh I don’t know how you do 24 hours at our age anymore buddy, but good luck to you. It’s not getting easier. All right, talk soon. Happy Thanksgiving. Take care. You too. See you. All right, that was Kevin Woodley. Wow. Playing hurt. Amazing. Uh so grateful for his time and energy. And now he can go I’m happy he can go watch the rest of the baseball game. So, I’m going to chat with you guys for the next three or four minutes and then I’ll take u three minutes, then I’ll take a five minute break. So, um yeah, let’s go. Um next up is Harman Dial of the Athletic. I heard he was sick yesterday, so hopefully he’s still okay to join me today. But what do you guys got? What do you guys got for two or three minutes a chance to catch up? Man, these these hours go by fast. Like um now we’re heading into one quarter done. I know the next six hours go by really quickly because I got some really really good guests. Got an open house. Got um got the Kucks Creator Roundt as well. Oh, thank you. How am I holding up? I feel good. I feel good. Um I forgot to mention because I wanted to get Kevin on. Gil made me she went out with Kayla went to my goddaughter’s birthday in Siri. Otherwise, I’d be out there too if I wasn’t doing my show. But she made me a grilled cheese sandwich. Uh um potato chips. She didn’t make those. and she made me uh she baked scallops uh bacon wrap scallops for my dinner. So, I had an early dinner. Um I’m on Pepsi number two. I didn’t open it on stream, but on only Pepsi number two. Not bad after 6 hours, but yeah, I had a quick early dinner. Bacon wrap scallops and a grilled cheese sandwich. So, I did get to eat. Thank you. Jay’s are up one nothing. Awesome. 25% done. Love it. Hey, Mackey. I’m doing well. Thank you. I saw that you’re at the game. Next time, say hi for sure. been here all stream just in the background. That is fine. That certainly counts. Double duty watching the game and watching me. Thank you, Tyler. Don’t forget you’re going to be on here at 10 o’clock. What does openhouse mean? It means I bring on people for three two or three minutes at a time. So, I will put a link in there in the in the chat at 7 p.m. and say if you want to join me, I bring you on the stream and we talk in front of 425 people right now. Um just talk about kucks and whatever whatever else. So yeah, Gourd, that’s at seven o’clock today. Really great interviews. They almost were chopping up and uploading as YouTube shorts. Yeah, you know, um definitely gonna keep that’s the whole point of me recording on StreamYard is so I can use them later on. But what I’ve done before, I’ve definitely clipped pieces and and put them as long form videos as well. This is awesome getting to see all your Yes. Thank you, Chris. It’s it’s more than a quick five or 10 minute hit. It’s 30 to 35 minutes and we’re learning a lot more about our guests for sure. Okay, welcome back. Welcome back, fang girl. And I have eaten. Thank you, Shannon, for asking. For sure. All right, let me do my midshow sponsor read or late hour sponsor read so then I can get to my five minute countdown. I thank Jason Lim Vanity Experts Real Estate as my primary sponsor. Thank you to my channel sponsor Jason Lim of Van City Experts Real Estate. Advanc City Experts. Their experience, knowledge, and expertise can serve you well in navigating through the real estate market and will help you to choose the best home or condo in the greater Vancouver area that best suits your and your family’s needs. Thank you to my secondary sponsors, Gassyjackart.com, creator of this wonderful artwork. 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He might have been sick last night. So, I I’m even more grateful that he’s joining me tonight. So, please welcome Mr. Harmon Dial. Harm, how are you? I’m doing all right. uh fighting off a bit of a cold right now, but had to make time for the 24-hour live stream. Well, I appreciate you and uh I think it was um I think people were wanting hoping to meet you at the Was there a Greta one last night? Yeah, there was a watch party. I’ll be at the next one for sure. I was really bummed out. I was really looking forward to it, but uh I obviously wasn’t feeling uh feeling that great and I didn’t want to risk getting anyone uh sick, so I had to sit sit it out. Yeah. Well, you look and sound good now. Are you feeling better today or? I’m definitely feeling a lot better today. I think the sleep helped. I slept as much as I could. Got 12 hours in. Like I was at 13 years old again and I think it definitely gave me a bit of a bump in energy. So hopefully another good night of sleep and I’ll be uh better sooner rather than later. Well, I appreciate if I can keep you for 30 to 35 minutes if that’s cool with a couple questions from the the crowd at the end that would be amazing. Are you a big baseball fan by the way? I so Quads and I have a have had a running joke on the show over over the last couple of years where initially I’m an anti-regular season baseball guy. I’ve sort of said it’s it’s a kind of sport that you just have on the background while you do other chores um in the summer. But postseason baseball is always hype and I’m not going to lie, the Blue Jays this year have got me back on the bandwagon. I’m uh a fair weather baseball fan. when the Blue Jays are good like they were in 2015, I’m on board and I’ll do my best to to catch the games, but uh I’ll be honest, over the last eight or nine years, I hadn’t been following much and this one has um has obviously caught my eye and especially it being against the Mariners, it’s uh it’s going to be a lot of fun. Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. And I joke you said about your 13-year-old self, but when I met you or when I became aware of you, you weren’t that much older than 13. So, if and I mean that as a compliment, if you can give everyone a quick quick uh synopsis of your journey to where you are now, including when you started writing and contributing officially to some of the media sites around Vancouver. Yeah. So, I opened a Twitter account when I was in grade 8, around 13 years old. By the time I was 14, after several months of just tweeting about the team, I was fortunate enough uh to get an opportunity to write articles here and there for Daily Hive back when it was called Vance Debuzz, of course. Uh Rob Williams at the time was really patient with me. I’m super grateful for that to just have a 14-year-old kid writing Kucks articles essentially. But I was really passionate because I’d grown up a lifelong Kucks fan. This was around the time that the 2011 core was in clear decline. and Jim Benning had taken over and I just had zero faith in the direction of the organization and I wanted to have an outlet to channel some of those thoughts and I continued writing let’s say one article every few months very very casually um just as a little hobby for a few more years until I got to the senior year of high school where I thought all right I want to do this more consistently and started blogging uh weekly knucks misconduct eventually with Konox Army. Yeah. And then um when I was 18, I started freelancing for The Athletic. And then when I was 19, I was fortunate enough to get hired full-time and I’m entering season seven of covering this team as a full-time reporter now, which is kind of wild. It feels like uh the years have flown by. That’s amazing. And I I remember I had you once on my like my just my regular YouTube channel, not a live stream where we talked about this, but you So, how old are you now roughly? Because you’re about the same age as my boys. I know that. Yeah. I’m 25 now. Okay. You’re 25. Okay. So, born in 2000 or 2000. Okay. Yeah. So, you’re one year older than my eldest son, 2001. And here’s a funny story, harm, and I mean this as a comment to you. So, you were 14 years old doing Van City Buzz. That’s kind of when I was starting to do, you know, some of my parody videos and and my songs and starting to do some stuff for Rob as well. And then I said, “Wow, Harm’s really good, but my son Sean, he’s also very smart and he he knows connects. maybe maybe he can become like the not the competition but maybe like an accessory to the boy genius which is what you’re affectionately known as. And then we read some of your stuff and we said no Sean there’s no way you know anything close to this. So so take it as a comment and then do you remember running into me when I had a softball game and you guys you were doing some workouts with your soccer team or soccer. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was like hill sprints or something. Yes. Exactly. So that that was maybe pre-COVID. Like that was that was a long time ago. I must have been 18 at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Well, anyways, all to say it looks good on you, man. And uh no, we’ve been I’ve been following your career ever since you’re 14 years old. So, it’s pretty awesome to see and read what you’re doing right now. So, keep it up, man. That’s awesome. Thank you so much. No, that is awesome. So, now regularly, you’re athletic and you’re running Connect Conversation with Quads. Is that correct? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Any uh And then when you’re not doing that, what are you doing? You’re still working out obviously. Still looking good. What are your hobbies right now? Yeah. Uh I try and hit the gym as much as I can. Um, obviously been sidelined the last couple days, but hoping to get back at it soon. Uh, and just playing sports. I mean, whether it’s ball hockey, whether it’s soccer, pickle ball, tennis, uh, spikeball in the summer. Um, I just love staying active, running. Been getting into trail running recently. Good for you. anything that involves um physical activity and especially if it has a social component um as in you’re you’re playing on a team um and you have you have teammates or you’re just going out and and playing with some of your friends. Uh I just love the intersection between anything that’s physically active and involves hanging out with uh with people who you enjoy the company of. So that’s really that and and watching hockey is um encompasses most of uh what I like to do in my free time. Love it. Love it. You know what, Har? I’m going to give my dog a I’m the only one home. Give give my dog a treat so he doesn’t bark at me for the next hour. In the meantime, can you drag the puck and just tell uh tell everyone right before we start. Um well, I want to hear this answer, too. Your thoughts. Uh give me one non- Thatcher Demco takeaway from last night’s game, and I’ll be back in like 30 seconds. Let’s go for it. Absolutely. Uh I think last night against the Oilers was obviously a tough outing for for the team as a whole. Well, I I I think it raises concerns about how much offense this team can can generate. And I think the story of the first two games is that we’ve seen both the upside and potential downside case for this Canucks team where against Calgary, we saw them create a little bit more offensively despite Queen Hughes not getting on the score sheet to put up five goals. um even though it was the Flames on the second half of a backtoback was encouraging especially to see Philip Heedle uh look so dynamic and thinking that he’s going to be an X- factor in the top six. But then on the flip side against Edmonton, let’s be real, I think Ryan Rashad um from uh from TSN in in Edmonton tweeted out the Sport Logic numbers that the high danger chances were 12 nothing for for the Oilers through two periods. Uh there was nothing going offensively. Uh Heedle had a tough night especially on one of the giveaways leading to uh to the goals against Elias Patterson. Another kind of game where he was good defensively but wasn’t uh a difference maker offensively. And for this Canucks team they are already even if he is at the peak of his game at a deficit when it comes to elite top the lineup forwards who can give you 70 plus points. If Patterson is just going to be a 50 60 point player moving forward, this Canucks team is going to be in real trouble. It’s going to be exceptionally hard for for them to make the playoffs under those circumstances. Obviously, two games in, I’m not going to sit here declaring that this is the same Person that we saw for all of last year and that we should be worrying and and panicking, but he still does look a little bit slow through the neutral zone. He has what, two shots on goal through two games. It’s just it’s not enough. And uh even when you look at the forward group as a whole, they’ve got a lot of decent second line and third line caliber forwards, but like when you look at De Brusk, you look at Besser’s already scored twice, Garland, Hoglander when he’s back. There are forwards you like, but compared to a lot of the top teams in the NHL and in the Western Conference, they just don’t have stars that can break a game wide open. And when you’re playing some of the top teams in the league, that’s what you need is those stars that can break a game wide open when a team is defensively structured. And if Person doesn’t have that going, then really you’re back to a scenario where Quinn Hughes is the only source of offense that you’re going to get. And as you saw last year, even if he is playing at a herculean level, him alone isn’t going to be enough to drag this team into the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, all really good points. And I I want to get back to that in a second, your impressions of other players. But admittedly, I I wanted to ask a question where um I didn’t miss any of the answer to so until I got back. So I wanted to ask you when it comes to the athletic and your love for analytics. And by the way, there’s some really really great uh great comments in here. Someone just I’m not sure if you can see the comments. Someone said you’re the Braden Coots of Journalism, Kucks Journalism, which I like. I I remember Van City Buzz. Harmer is one of the sharpest guys in the media. surprised Kucks haven’t offered him a job. Unless they have, I’m not asking you to tell me. Uh, this proves how articulate you were at a young age. So, all these really really uh here’s one. I’m sure this guy has no clue what ICQ or MSN Messenger are. Is that fair to say? Was I okay, so I have no idea what ICQ is? But MSN Messenger, I remember when you had a Hotmail account, you could kind of have a Messenger feature. Is that MSN Messenger? Because if so, then I do know what that was and did use it for a little bit of time. Yeah, it’s like the the precursor to WhatsApp and stuff. It was like instant messaging. Okay. Yeah, I know what MSN Messenger is though. And ICQ, if you read it, it’s like I seek you like I S E K. I see you. So, that’s the thing. And it was a you get a this is going to show my age. You every time you got a notification, it would go uhoh. And then that’s how you know you have a message. So, I have no idea what that is. Yeah. There you go. Take us to the wayback machine. when where did your love for like it’s one thing to be able to uh watch a game and talk about it but your your your stats finding your analytics where did that come from? Was that a high school thing or where did that come from? I just remember watching hockey and wanting a way to objectively measure the thing some of the things that I was seeing on the ice. The classic example I always give is Chris Tanv in the 2014 2015 2016 sort of that era of the Canucks when they weren’t very good and there wasn’t a lot of leaguewide attention on them. I just remember watching Chris Tenev and going this guy is so elite defensively. How he defends a rush, how many plays he breaks up, he’s so smart and yet if you just look at his box car box car stats, yeah, he’s not putting up a lot of points because he is on a bad team. It’s not like his plus minus is off the charts good that it’s going to capture leaguewide attention. He plays a lot of defensive minutes, but because he doesn’t play power play, it’s like his overall ice time is in and around the 20-minute range. Um it’s nothing spectacular. Like you you would if you were unless you watch the Conucks on a night innight out basis, you would not know that Chris Tanv is an elite defensive defenseman, right? And so I went and said, there’s got to be a way to measure players defensive impact. And I was curious to see whether what I was seeing on the ice would actually stack up um statistically. And I knew analytics was emerging. And when I started diving into it, I realized, oh, the numbers show here. They back up what I see that Chris Tanv is an elite defensive defenseman. And that’s when I went, oh, this is really interesting because now I’ve got a whole different perspective on on how players can be evaluated. Uh, and especially when you combine that with the eye test, that that’s always what I’ve been really big on is you can’t measure players value just based off the numbers. But if you can combine it with the eye test, you get a much more complete picture than if you’re strictly an eye test guy or or if you’re strictly an analytics guy. And it’s the intersection between data and what you’re seeing with your own eye that I think allows you to form the best conclusions on players and teams and simply be wrong less often because it doesn’t matter how smart you think you are, you’re going to be wrong evaluating players. I’m wrong plenty of plenty of the time. Um GMs are wrong plenty of the time, but the goal is to be wrong less often. And I found that the more thorough you are about combining what you see with um numbers and some statistical insight, you’re just likely to get a more complete picture. Oh, well said. Yeah, you can’t just go by analytics, but you certainly can’t just go by eye test. It’s got to be a mix. You know, the stuff uh of all the articles that you do, harm, on the athletic, the ones I really like is when you you’ll take draft picks or you’ll take players and you do comparables whether how did they do three years into their their career or you know Yeah. And so stuff like that, does that come is that painstaking research or is that stuff where you have some propri proprietary knowledge or or is that come naturally to you just looking up those type of numbers to put into admittedly a small chunk of a bigger article that comes out, you know, once every whatever? Like that’s a lot of work. Yeah. Uh so a lot of the comparables aren’t publicly available that you have to manually um capture. So I’ll give you an example. I was trying to find comps on Jonathan Leker Macki had the strong preseason and I wanted to see what are the odds that his preseason success will actually translate to the regular season. Sure. And so I I tried to there’s no chat GPT that you can just enter this question into and it’s going to spit out the results. Um so I had to manually look for players who had a similar profile as Leer Mackey in terms of being first round picks but not drafted in in in the top five because that’s a different tier of prospect. um either 21 or 22 years old. So, they’re the same age range as Leer Mackey, at least four points in um in the preseason. And I think there was maybe one other criteria, but it was it was like a very narrow kind of list. And yeah, I’m not going to lie, it took me a couple hours to build that list because I had to go through every preseason scoring le like all the preseason scoring leaders for the last like eight years and dig through every single one. Were they a first round pick? Were they 21 or 22 years old? And I just had to mentally do that on my own. There wasn’t like a filter or spreadsheet that I could automatically do that um with. But um it was worth it. And this is this is why I put that effort in because you do the work on that and you can see that in this case I think six of the eight um players involved um eventually became or I think six or seven of the eight the vast majority became top six NHL players. Now the timeline of how quickly they made an impact did vary but they all eventually got there. Even the guys like an Owen Tippet who had a strong preseason but then didn’t quite translate right away. He was able to as he got closer to the closer to his peak 23 24 25 he’s become he’s become a top six player. Then you also had uh Matt Coronado in the Flames ended up on that ended up on that list. Um, and so the takeaway from building those comps was all right, regardless of whether Leer Mackey hits right away in terms of being a full-time top nine player, him having a strong preseason at this age and with his draft pedigree and with how productive he was in the AHL last year, it is more likely than not that he is going to pan out as a top six player at the NHL one day. And so that’s what makes the the effort and the research worth it is when you’re able to gain some insight. Well, and I remember I know exactly the article you’re talking about because I read it mid last week and I I’m looking at now. Coronado, typic um yeah, Holloway, Rossi, Preretti, Krebs. See, I appreciate that. Like I I don’t understand half of it sometimes, but I do appreciate it and and it’s awesome. No, that that’s really really cool. The other question I was going to ask you about um I noticed for the athletic too you’re not just writing connect specific like that’s your bread and butter but you’re on often all these collabs where you’re at least working with one other writer and you’re doing these defenseman tiers or goalie rank whatever it is right that that’s pretty cool that you’re being tasked with some of those leaguewide. So do you get feedback from fans from the other 31 cities and and is I presume it’s positive feedback but do you get feedback from from the rest of the the league’s fans now? Yeah, it’s um it’s been fun to spread my wings a little bit and and write a lot of these leaguewide uh stories, especially when it’s the off seasonason and um I’m trying to look ahead at, you know, contract situations and and get to big story lines before they become story lines. Like I remember uh doing a story like why these five RFAS could get traded and I think the list had I I didn’t I didn’t hit on every single one of them but like Noah Dobson was on that list and Marco Rossi was on that list. He didn’t end up getting dealt but JJ Purka like Kia Andre Miller so three of the five guys got got dealt and it was before there was a lot of chatter for example around uh no adopts and actually getting moved. Um, so it’s rewarding to kind of do that. And when you do when you end up being right, it obviously looks good. And even um earlier in June, I did a piece on overpriced contracts that teams might trade. And Vander Kane was on that list and and he got dealt. So it looks good when you’re right, but also when you’re wrong, it uh it doesn’t look great. Um, and uh the the the feedback is is interesting. I try and avoid the comment sections on my articles to be honest. um just because I don’t like to end up in back and forth discussions with people necessarily. Um unless it’s on Twitter, like sometimes that’s fine. Or if someone DMs me, I’m I’m game to talk. But yeah, um I just find if I look at the comments, I’m just going to end up replying to to everyone who disagrees with me and and that’s something that I don’t want to necessarily uh preoccupy my uh self with. Um, I think the response has been mostly positive, but hey, anytime you’re writing for a leaguewide audience, people are going to disagree with with your opinions. And especially when we did the defense group um tier rankings, James Merrtle and I, and the Ford group rankings, uh, I know I might cut off for a sec. Um, no problem. I’m sure that there were a lot of people that disagreed and didn’t like our takes and and that’s fine, too. Yeah. Well, I like where you put the Conucks for their D. You put in like above average, too. It was good. It was good. I liked it. Their D group is legit. Um yeah, is legit a strength and Yeah. Uh hopefully too many Kucks fans didn’t see where they uh ranked when it came to the forward rankings because that’s where they were a lot closer to uh to the bottom. But that’s that’s the story with this team, right? We know they have the behind goalending. We know they’ve got a quality uh defense. And we know that the forward group is um is a bit lackluster. Yes. No, I I hear you. You know, it’s interesting. You mentioned Vander Kane on the big contracts that might get traded. Where do you think ultimately he’s going to fit on this team? Because debating people were debating Kane versus De Brusk on the top line then he’s not, you know, on the second line. Maybe it’s to help insulate the two, you know, the the two youngsters, but where do you ultimately see him fitting in on this team? I think it’s a work in progress, especially when you have a performance like the Canucks did against the Oilers last night where nobody in the top nine was was going. Yeah. Uh I think Kane probably would have been the first option to play with uh Guts and Lemaki. I think they loo looked at Coots and Lemack and went these are a couple of smaller smaller guys a little bit more experience. Let’s little less experience. Let’s give them a veteran who can um just kill people on the forche. Uh lay the body a little bit uh retrieve some pucks and and maybe get open for chances if Coots and Leaki are able to to make plays offensively and um and carry the puck and draw defenders towards them. But uh we saw even in that even in that Oilers game he started with uh Heil and Garland but I think what happened is that line got some shifts against McDavid and Kane because of the foot speed and because he isn’t the best defensively. I think didn’t look the best in that um in that role. We saw him have a neutral zone turnover that led to that line getting hemmed in which then led to Derek Forber taking a penalty. Mhm. Um we saw we saw him later at times just in a couple of different spots in the lineup and ultimately you look at De Brusk and Besser. It’s great that Brock Besser scored a couple of goals but de Brusk and Person haven’t really meshed so far through two games and I wonder if if those struggles continue how long it is before Evander Kane gets an opportunity there. Yeah, through two games I I think we haven’t seen the best of Evander Kane to be totally honest with you. in game one. I thought he had too many turnovers on the power play. Yeah. Uh I’d like to see Leer Mackey get an opportunity there. If I’m completely honest, I think he’s more likely to have success in that left flank spot on the power play. Yeah. Uh but we all and you know I didn’t like Kane’s offense was on penalty in that um in that Edmonton game but uh at least it was good to see him get involved on the forch check and especially towards the end of that game he absolutely blew up Alec Regula with a textbook clean hit and that’s what you want him to do because that caused a reaction from the Oilers which put the Conucks on the power play and down a goal that’s like that could have been an opportunity to tie the game. So, Kane is going to be a player that has highs and lows. When he’s off, he’s going to take bad penalties. He’s going to look slow. He’s going to look like he’s potentially liability defensively, but when he’s on, he’s going to be a unique one-of-a-kind winger on this team with his physical edge, with his goal scoring, his toughness. Uh, and it’ll just be interesting to see how many nights this season is he on versus how many nights is he off. Yeah. No, that’s a really really good point. I just I just got a kick out every time him and Nurse were like hugging each other after a scrum or whatever. Yeah, Kane’s a big boy for sure. Okay. Uh, one question that came from um Gerald here says, “Do you think that Leer Macki stays in the lineup if and when Coots goes back to Seattle and Assassin get caught up to form the Abbeby line?” Yeah, I I think Leer Mackey, he deserves an extended look. This team struggles to score goals. He already got one in the in the season opener. I don’t think his his success is necessarily tied to uh tied to Braden Coots. So for me, those are independent decisions. I think Coots, as promising as he has looked so far, I think based off two games, he would probably at the end of this potential nine-game trial benefit from going back to junior for a full season just just so he can dominate offensively and be in a position where he can play 20 minutes a night, power play, PK-1, build his confidence as opposed to in the NHL where he has proven he can hang, which is really impressive. like for through two games, he has not been a liability whatsoever. I love his details. Positionally, he’s sound. I I like his first touch on the breakouts, but it’s a lot to ask an 18-year-old to drive offense. And I think from that perspective, the one thing I’ve consistently said on Kucks’s conversation is there’s a difference between being adequate at the NHL level and being an impacted driver at the NHL level. I am confident that Coots could be the former and can survive at the NHL level, no problem. But I don’t think he’s at the level yet where he can be the ladder. And if he’s not at the a level where he is the ladder, then I think it’s best for him to dominate in junior just because he is still so uh young. Yeah. No, I agree with you that way for sure. And yeah, it it’s crazy. It would have to he’d have to really really um pile pile things on to to warrant to look with Blue coming back. And you’re right there there’s no there’s no rush. There’s no reason to rush him at all at all. Well, I can’t think of one actually. Can you? Well, other than them thinking we don’t have any right shot centers and he has some upside, but you’re right. That shouldn’t be the primary justification for keeping a player in junior if or playing keeping a player in the NHL if you believe that his long-term development would be aided most by him perhaps um going back to Seattle and and racking up a ton of points. Because as good as Coots was last year playing on a weak Seattle Thunderbirds team that has been in the middle of a rebuild after um being in the contention era just prior to that. Yeah, he still he he put up 63 points in 60 games, which again, context considered is promising, but it’s not as if he put up 120 points in the WHL and he’s clearly too good for that league. I want to see him have that campaign where he puts up 100 plus points in the WHL because that’s what will make you really excited about the top end potential of his game and could his ceiling be more than just a middle six centerman. Um because like you see examples and situations like a Michael Misa uh who went really early in last year’s draft scored 134 points in in the OL. uh Berkeley Ken who was drafted in 2024 um last season in his draft plus one year had around 120 points and now Ken is still on the fringes of he’s made the Kraken roster but he isn’t still an everyday uh player. It’s like you would look at a Berkeley Kton who’s already put up 120 points or Michael Misa who’s already got 134 points in Junior and say all right that guy’s too good for junior. there’s nothing for that player to gain by spending more time playing against CHL level competition. Whereas for Coots, if he does go back, I still think there’s room for him to really grow just how dynamic and explosive he is offensively. Yeah. No, that’s a that’s a really really good point. Yeah. I just I love everything about him, but the fact he’s only actually the fact that he’s only 18 is is quite impressive as well. Um Sky Train Alfred uh a lot of concernation about Pey already. He says, “If Pety continues to play his low-key ways, would you would you call maybe a strong word, but do you would they ever take the A off of his sweater?” I don’t think they’d want to risk the drama of that. I think before before that they would perhaps like let’s be honest if it continues this way. Yeah. At a certain point the the player in the organization might look at the idea of a fresh start somewhere else. But I don’t like we’re two games in the season. I don’t want to be talking about uh that. Uh it would just be like would it surprise me if they had rotating A’s and there are some nights where Person doesn’t have an A? No. Uh that’s not him being stripped of it, but yeah, I don’t think they’d want to make a public move of shaming him because I don’t think it would do him any good. He strikes me as a kind of personality that um doesn’t really benefit from the stick approach and I don’t think stripping him of the A would really get him going. It’s just going to like I I understand where the commenter is coming from because you could look at like I understand the frustration and you could look at him and go what has he proven as a leader to prove that he deserves an A and I understand where you’re coming from but if if you’ve already gone gone out and given it to him um like I I don’t know if you want to make a big show of stripping it from him. Yeah. No well said. I love this question from Swervan Irvin. What is the nerdiest stat, whether zone exits, entries, shot attempts, that you give the most weight to? That’s a tough question because I don’t, it’s not one stat in particular that I give a lot of weight to. It’s very context dependent. I think if you’re talking about defenseman, zone exits and zone entries are massive because that’s how you facilitate play up the ice. it. Um, a guy like Quinn Hughes is going to be top of the league for zone exits and and zone entries. And you even get an idea of some underrated gems around the league. Jackson Lome in Anaheim, who skates so beautifully, but isn’t really regarded as a star player yet. He’s the kind of guy that when you look at some of those zone exit numbers, is one of the absolute best defenseman in the league in that specific skill set. So, I I weigh zone exits a lot for defenseman, but there’s also context and nuance with it because if you’re a defenseman playing on a bad team or your wingers don’t win board battles and can’t control passes very well, then your zone exit numbers aren’t going to be very good. If you play with a bad partner, um, who like a defensive defenseman who doesn’t like his defensive zone touches aren’t the best, well, even if you’re an above average puck mover, that’s still going to hinder your ability to move the puck. As opposed to if you’re um if you’ve got a a defense partner that’s pretty mobile and can make clean DDD passes, they then put you in positions where you’ve got more time and space to make plays. Mhm. Um, so it’s tough to narrow down one stat. I’d say for forwards, I I look a lot at at zone entries and how many of those zone entries actually can convert into rush scoring chances. That’s a big area where for Elias Patterson, a lot of people last year were wondering why has he fallen offensively so much. And when you look at um at some of these micro stats, his offensive zone entries compared to his peak during the 102 point season last year, his offensive zone entries with control where he’s carrying the puck into the zone were down around 34%. And his shots off the rush, as tracked by Cory Schneider, he’s the one I should shout out for for having a lot of this data available. his shots off the rush down 40% compared to his peak two years ago. And that just lines up with what I see where I’ve mentioned how skating wise he doesn’t look quick carrying it through the neutral zone as much. I mean, through two games has he had other than the assist on Besser’s goal, how many times has he picked up the puck in the defenses of the neutral zone and you see him winding up with speed and you’re you’re on the edge of your seat thinking that he’s going to make something happen offensively. just he looks slow carrying it. And I brought up last year how his NHL edge data shows that his speed bursts above 20 miles per hour have fallen off a lot compared to two years ago. I really think that’s a like that’s a major reason why he wasn’t as productive last season and it’s one of the biggest X factors that I’m looking at for him this season for whether he bounces back. And really again that ties into the zone entries and uh rush shots and and there even numbers for how many of your zone entries actually convert into scoring chances. Uh because some players carry the puck in a lot but they don’t know how to they don’t have the intelligence or the playmaking skill to actually take it to the inside and and convert those into chances. But uh for forwards I like to look a lot at at who can carry it into the zone and and make plays that way. Wow, that’s awesome. And then uh I’m not sure if there’s an inside joke about Eric Johnson here, but I I know who he is. But given and I I think Kucks fans, they get naturally defensive anytime they hear Kale Mar’s name or or Macar wins a major trophy or whatever. And I think both can be true. We can have we can appreciate these two amazing defenseman and that we have one of them and hopefully here for long term. Uh is there much of a gap between these two players? Do you would you ever put Hughes ahead of Macar in the best defensive rankings? And I hear a lot of people in athletics say, especially when they do the player tiers, that the gap between Mar and Hughes is is smaller than the gap between Hughes and say Delin or Heinen, the third best defenseman. So where where do you put uh Hughes in terms of with Visav Mar? Okay. So this was the the hot take that kind of went viral this past week was I I was on Kucks Conversation and and keep in mind this was like the 57th minute of the show. We were just wrapping up. Oh, any last minute thoughts? And and I was like, oh yeah, I watched the Colorado game last night and I I’ve watched a lot of the ABS and it just reaffirmed to me. It was a game where Kale Mar put up two points. Yeah. And he had the flashy high highlight reel plays, but on um on a shift by shift basis, he wasn’t as noticeable. And that isn’t to say that, oh, he played poorly or anything. It was just that’s the kind of game where two points playing those those minutes and having the flashy highlight reel like that’s going to skyrocket you up the Norris rankings right away game one of the regular season. But when I compare that to I don’t think Hughes has has had the best start through two games. But when you compare that to what Hughes did has done on such a nightly basis for this team the last couple of years. I just thought when Quinn steps on the ice, even when he’s not putting up points, he has to beat three guys up the ice all by himself because he doesn’t have he doesn’t have a Nathan McKinnon to share the ice with. And anyway, my my point on that u on that show was just maybe maybe a hot take, but I’ve got Quinn Hughes slightly ahead of Macar. And um the the clip got the clip got posted on the Kucks Army Twitter channel. Uh AZ fans picked up on it, Eric Johnson picked up on it and uh it just went bananas. Um I think I am definitely a public enemy public enemy in Colorado right now. So that’s where that’s where the Eric Johnson kind of stuff comes from because uh he clearly disagreed with my take. But he also played with Kale Mar for how many years and won a Stanley Cup with him. like the fans saying I’m biased, which first of all I would like to think I’m not because when JT Miller for example put up 1023 points, I wasn’t talking about him as oh he’s a top 10 player in the NHL and he’s one of the games top handful of centers and nobody’s talking about him as a superstar. I wasn’t I was talking about him as all right, he’s a star, he is a number one center, but I didn’t think he was a true talent 100point guy. So, I wasn’t pumping his tires as heavily. And in fact, last season I had him on my regression candidates list that, hey, I think this guy’s going to fall off. And anyway, point being, I don’t think I’m that biased. And then Eric Johnson, terrific career. Um, but he played with Kell Mar for all those years. And and again, my my point with the take with the whole Macar versus take was just if those two were to swap positions and Mar was on the Conucks and Quinn Hughes had a chance to play with McKinnon and Nous and and Ranton before that and had Devont Taves as his partner on a contending Colorado team. We’d be talking about Quinn Hughes the way we talk about Kale Mar and Kale Mar would be talked about the way we talk about Quinn Hughes where it’s there’s Hughes is 1A and and Mar is 1B because you even look at some of Mar’s five and five numbers in non McKinnon minutes. Yeah. ABS get outshot and outchanced by pretty wide margins and people like the biggest rebuttal Az fans keep throwing at me is oh Quinn doesn’t PK, Quinn doesn’t defend. And first of all, like Quinn played PK and did it very well in the Booger era. So it’s not that he’s can’t do it. He’s done it and has proven that he can do it well. But the reason they don’t play him on the PK is because the Canucks have a bottom four full of these big tree trunk defensemen where their only job is to kill penalties and be good in zone defensively. And when you have the the Conucks, this isn’t the Colorado Avalanche where you got McKinnon and Nas and Chushkin and Lechin to drive offense. Quinn Hughes is the entire offense on this team. So if you’re a head coach, would you like you can only play Quinn Hughes 25 to 30 minutes of of a game, do you want to waste four of those minutes per game throwing him out on the PK or do you want to save him in those minutes and then maximize his even strength minutes where he can drive offense for you on a team that can’t attack? Yeah. So anyway, that’s um and even the defensive stuff, Hughes’s five and five goals against rate the last three years is mar it’s by a small margin, but it is lower than Kale Mars. So it’s like I don’t know again I understand that I’m in the minority with this with this take and again just because of how many points he’s going to get playing on that power play with uh with those elite guys. Mar’s he’s going to be in the north conversation every year. But my point was just I think Quinn is a unique oneofone play driver in this league. Mar’s the better goal scorer. Don’t mean don’t get me wrong. But how much Quinn does all by himself is something that I think is one of a kind in the NHL. And that was just my take. Oh no. Thank you for explaining. That is awesome. And I I think both can be true. If we should be happy that we have Quinn Hughes here. We would be just as happy if we had Kale Mar here. And it’s weird how we’re going to be ch cheering for Mar over Hughes in in a few months at the Olympics. By the way, speaking of biased, uh my favorite child apparently uh she’s uh at my goddaughter’s birthday party. So, happy sweet 16, Arya. Sorry I can’t be there, but I’m doing this tonight. And Kayla, uh you can pretend you’re my favorite child. I love all three of you equally. So glad that you guys are watching from Siri. Harm, you are the best. Thank you. Uh I I appreciate you playing hurt. And um and uh I hope you um are you going to be at the game tomorrow if all things go well? Like health? Yeah, we we’ll see how I feel. Um if I feel good, yes. If not, no. So yeah, no rush. TBD game time decision. Exactly. That sounds good. Well, hopefully you come off the IR real quick and I really appreciate you taking the time. The smartest 25-year-old. I know I can say that cuz my son’s 24. No, it’s all good. And uh I’m so uh yeah, we’re grateful to have lucky to have guys like you in our market. So thanks for taking the time on this weekend, man. And I I hope to run into you soon. Thanks, Clay. Appreciate it. All right, Harm, take care. Thanks again. Okay, bye. That was Harman Dial of The Athletic. So, so good. Um really grateful that he um was able to join me and yeah um apparently he had to miss the watch party, but I’m glad that he could join me today. He’s so smart and he’s so articulate and I actually think uh we are very lucky to have him here in this market and doing this for 11 years now. He started when he was 14 years old, which is pretty pretty crazy. Okay, I going to take another 10-minute break in about seven minutes, but I have seven or eight minutes now to catch up on some of your questions and comments. So, how you feeling right now? We’re 7 hours in, 17 to go, but uh your thoughts on Harmon Dal for sure. We got Bravo, Harmon. So, yes, to explain, Andrea is my best friend. Andrea’s daughter is Arya. Mine and Gail’s goddaughter. Andrea and her husband Videl are godparents to Kayla. So Gail and Kayla went to Arya’s my godaughter’s 16th birthday today out in Siri at Andrea’s house. The mom and um I wish I could be there, but I um duty calls i.e. as soon as I got the invitation to their party, I knew I was already doing this 24hour live stream. So Ari and Kayla, not sure if you’re still watching, but um but yeah, thanks for being here. Thanks for saying hi in the chat. So we got Bravo Harmon. Bravo Harm. That was a great collab. Yeah, he’s awesome. He’s awesome. Smooth guy. Yep. Learned so much. Hope I get quad some. Yeah, I can do that for sure. Two-1 Mariners now. Gotcha. And you guys talking about pitchers, which is good, which I have no clue what you’re talking about. So, we’re doing really well, you guys. We have 60 people still in here despite the despite the Blue Jays game. Another 380 watching on X, or at least that’s what they say. So, right now, my number is at 440. Not that it’s about numbers, but it’s great to see so many people around tonight. Harm is really good. What he said was really great. Yeah, he’s a very very smart guy for sure. So, how you guys feeling? How you guys feeling right now? I feel good. Not fading. I think I I’ll use this break to get a bit of sugar in me though. Not just the Pepsi. Might grab a couple cookies. I had my early dinner as I mentioned. Grilled cheese and scallops and bacon. But yeah, um hopefully you guys are doing well. Next up is the first openhouse. So, I will talk about that at the top of the hour. Um, a chance for you to join my show for a couple hours. So, for a couple minutes, not a couple hours. And what I’m going to do is I’m going to I know I’m going to have another open house hour at 2:00 in the morning. So, I’ll explain this again in 15 minutes. So, if you know that you’re going to be on for the 2 o’clock, save yourself for that. But if you don’t think you’ll be on for two, you can try and get on. Uh depending on how many people are backstage at these open house hours go by super quick and then after the 7 o’clock hour, we are going to switch streams. So I hope I don’t lose too many people, but we are going to switch links to move to part two. Yes, 75 minutes left for part one to finish. And still feeling good. Still have some energy. And I can feel my voice. My voice isn’t getting tired, but naturally when you’re talking for as much as I do, it’ll uh despite how strong my vocal cords are. Um I can already start getting a little bit raspy. That’s okay. But I’m not feeling It’s not like I’m feeling poorly. I just know that’s a natural thing to happen to your voice. Carol says, “Clay, you’re doing a great job.” Thank you, Carol. I appreciate it. I can I have a chance to look at the leaderboard now. It is Dino still based on that $28 donation. Dino still up top, but Fang Girl is closing in. So Dino’s at 1175, Fang Girls at 1125, Swervven Irvin at 775, Justin at 750, and Carol at 600. That is your top five right now. Hey Jarhead, you know Jarhead is the longest serving um franchise member because um when I list uh here’s a spoiler alert or peak behind the curtain. Oh, I list them twice by accident. When I list all the members in the description, that goes in order of at least the franchise goes in member in order of how long you’ve been um a member. So, Jarhead and Coach Rob are actually the two longest franchise members. So, Jared saying, “You have the energy of a 20-year-old still. It’s impressive.” Thank you. I appreciate that. We got Rosie, the best siren cranker around with the $1 donation. Let’s give some love to Rosie in the chat. 3 2 1. By the way, I just love when that dono drop. If you watch it again, watch the Pepsi bottle. It hits the counter and then it rotates so you can read the Pepsi label perfectly. Watch this. 3 2 1 Let’s give some love to Rosie in the chat. I saw I think you’re at the game and I think I saw Servant Irvin. Did you say that you were just gifted tickets? So yes, I will be doing a meetup during the first intermission in the regular 3:15 316 Legends locker room. Hopefully I’m not falling asleep. Uh oh. Roy says, “My audio was cutting out for bits at a time.” Is that for anyone else or do you guys agree with Roy? Because if so, that means maybe my microphone has gone into choppy mode. Choppy choppy mode. I hope not, but who knows? I I was doing so well. Perfect product placement might be in the lurable. Ah, gotcha. Glad to always support you, Clay, even if I’m not around so much. No problem, Jarhead. I will take whatever support you can give me. Rosie, you’re in 316. Awesome. We’re going to be near each other for sure. I’m in my 319s tomorrow. We got to give St. Louis the blues. I agree with that. Sky Train Alfred. Let me do my um do my sponsor read. We start off by thanking my primary sponsor Jason Lim of Van City Experts. Thank you to my channel sponsor Jason Lim Van City Experts Real Estate. 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I’ll do a quick walk around and then we will um get ready with our 7:00 hour. So, some love to Carol. Thanks to all of you for sticking with me. Make sure you come back in 10 minutes. We have our open house. I know a lot of you guys love that. But I’ll see you in 10. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Hey everyone, it’s Kirk Mlan here and you’re watching Clay’s Kucks Commentary. Welcome back. We are starting hour number eight. Yes, 7 hours down, 17 hours to go. But I feel good. I know I look good, but I feel good. I hope you guys are feeling good and looking good as well. Thanks everyone for being here. This hour is our openhouse. But before we get going, I want to um remind you that these are ways that you can get involved tonight. You can subscribe to the channels. You get active in the chat section. 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So when the entry form opens, then you can certainly get in there and and and then get them in for extra extra entries. Giving away a lot of great prizes. and I’ll I’ll talk about those as we get closer to the end of the stream. Okay. So, so, so actually Ethan’s got a good question. He’s wondering if um is tomorrow’s game only in prime. And Rosie says, “Yeah, just prime because it’s a Monday nighter and it’s early. It’s a 4:30 puck drop if I’m not mistaken here in Vancouver. So, I can only get a three or four hour nap in before I make my way down to the Conucks versus Blues game. Okay, friends, this this hour is open house. So, that means you can join me here on the stream in front of 440 people. And I’ll say this before anyone comes back uh joins me backstage, which you’re welcome to do. Then I’ll bring you on for about two or three minutes, depending on how many people are back there. Um, I am gonna have another openhouse hour um later, but it’s admit it’s pretty early. It’s like at 2 am, so it’s not gonna be the best. So, I understand why this one would be more popular, but I am going to give priority to people that I have not had a chance to speak to in regular open houses. So, just a warning, just a warning that uh if I don’t get to you, it’s because um maybe we’ve heard from you or we’ve seen you a lot on my channel already, and I want to give people um who haven’t uh been on a chance as well. So, here is the link right here. Um if you click on this link, you can now join me backstage. So, I will pin it. If you click on that link that I just put in the comments, then you can join me backstage and then I will bring you on to chat for two or three minutes about the Vancouver Conucks and you can ask me questions. I can ask you questions, but I mean it goes by pretty quick because I’ll probably be two or three minutes per person. But yeah, here’s your chance now for this hour. I’m going to be bringing people on um people from the community and we’re going to chat about the Vancouver Conucks or about this live stream. So, come on in, come backstage, and while I wait for people to to come backstage, I will just kind of see what’s been happening in the chat. When do I get my Mancini itch scratch the season? Well, who was it? Was it JPA or was it harm? I think it was JPAT that said we might see him as early as tomorrow. Don’t worry, Irvin uh about how many people backstage. If you want to come in, just come in and then right now there aren’t um a lot of people backstage. So, anyone who does come backstage, there’s a good chance that you will get on the show. And then I’m just going to go in order. Actually, maybe that’s a better way of going in order. Well, we’ll see. We’ll see. I’m Right now I’m not too worried. It’s familiar names, but I’m happy to bring these familiar names on. So, I’ll give uh one or two minutes for people to come backstage. This is openhouse hour number one, and maybe these fine people will will set a good example and show how easy it is. All you got to do is have a camera and uh and a chance to hear me and a chance where I can hear you. So, let’s get going. And as people pile in, people will pile in and I’m going to try and I’ll manage the time as best I can. So Irvin, you ready to go? You’re going to be first up. Actually, he’s surprised. He’s ready. Let’s bring him on. Mr. Swervven Irvin, hello. Testing, testing. You hear me? Hey, bud. Okay, good. Awesome. I can hear you. I can see you. How are you? Doing well. Uh, a little bit tired. A long drive yesterday. Went to Chillag for Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah. How was it? But, uh, it was good. Uh, I got to see my wife’s grandparents and, um, you know, you don’t that’s the time you don’t want to take for granted. So, it’s good. I guess watch the hockey game with her grandpa and chop it up and he’s he’s he’s thankful to have someone who talks hockey in the house. So, how old are they then? If it’s your wife’s grandparents, they must be in their 80s or 90s then, right? 90s. Yeah. 90s. Wow. Wow. And of sound mind and spirit. As much as possible. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That is fair. That is fair. What did uh grandpa think of the game yesterday? Oh, he’s real old school. So, he doesn’t like the lack of Canadians on the team. Um, I try to steer away from the conversation of us having a Swedish GM and a female AGM. So, because yeah, those can be quite uh controversial topics for him. That is awesome. That is awesome. And then uh did you do the cooking or was it all shared responsibility? Uh only a few dishes. I did um um garlic mashed potatoes, baked macaroni and cheese and honey glazed carrots. Yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha. Everything else was everything else. Okay, we’re two games in. How are you feeling about this team now that you’ve actually seen them play? Still cautiously optimistic. Yep. Because as much as Thursday was a great game, you have to have the cav caveat that uh Calgary was on back to back and they are on paper a lesser team than the Canucks. Yep. But I mean, we can’t apologize for our schedule. You got to win your games, right? And who knows those those could be two important points at the end of the year. So Yep. Yep. Yep. And what do you think? Were you able to watch yesterday between conversations with grandpa? Yeah, for the most part. Yeah. What you think last night? It’s one of those things where I know that the coach wants us to run a gun, but we can’t really do that with Edmonton. And so, it’s like when he talked about earlier in the year about adjusting the game to certain opponents, I think that was one of the cases where he needed to do that. I Yeah. Yeah. So, you don’t Yeah. And I’ I’ve been trying to stress that with all my guests and and they’re smart. They’re all media guys. They know you don’t get too too crazy after two games. Oh, no. But yeah, but there’s there’s been a lot there. Did I see that you’re going to the game tomorrow? I am. I uh my my father-in-law Brian, who you’ve met, uh surprised me and I get to pull out this bad boy. It’s pretty about that. Yeah. Huh? Oh, and that’s my daughter right there. Pass me that. Yeah. One second, kiddo. I just got a juice on my AirPod case. Oh my gosh. TMZ CCC. No, I love it. I love it. This is family life’s the best, man. Thank you. All right. I just don’t want it to be in your way, that’s all. Oh, she’s she’s awesome. Yeah. Bring bring her on more often one day. That is great. That is great. Um, what are you expecting tomorrow? Obviously, we want to see them win, but what are you actually expect? Um, I’m expecting I would like them to put uh Kane back on the line with the kids. Yep. Um, I mean, I don’t know what I’m expecting other than that. Um, maybe and maybe one more change at D because I know they’ve got some guys in the press box. Sure. Sure. Like Meninis, namely. Yeah, he’d be good. I think that Mancini is like he’s a guy that foot system is tailor made for. So, I’d really like to see him in there. Yeah, I saw you made that point. And it sounds like, and don’t worry, I’m not holding you to this for the whole stream, but you’ve been around the whole thing already, right? In terms of uh just Sorry, the guest. Yeah, the stream I I was in and out actually a couple hours ago when you had JPEG on. I was actually at Spirit Halloween, so I was Okay. Walking around was really noisy and I had you guys in my ear, but I still got that question in about Botch. But yeah, uh I’ve been in and out like trying to get as much as I can. What which guest has stood out? It doesn’t mean the the best, but which guest has stood out to you? Um definitely Woodley. Yeah. But um like I mentioned earlier, like you guys once you’re done watching the stream, go through the guest list and go through all the insights they’ve given us and how how approachable they are. Um and you got to really appreciate how how well served we are in this market in terms of media and journalists. Something for everybody. Yeah, that’s a great point. And obviously I I um there’s there’s I can tell everyone now and I told you I know that I’m trying to get Elliot Freedman on here but uh and you you got you got Dollywal for the boomers, you got people like Dance and Woodley for the millennials. Harmon’s a Gen Z. So it’s really something for everybody. Like you don’t have to be beholden to one. Yeah, for sure. No, we are blessed. And yeah, I was making the point that and there are a lot of people that I did not get, but yes, Freriedman was one. Thomas Dance actually said yes, but then his father passed away. You people may have seen his tweet. So, we’re able to trade a couple. Thoughts to And thoughts to you. I know you yesterday was kind of a sle day for you. Yeah. Yesterday, it’s always bittersweet, but yes, my dad’s uh 21st death anniversary, but no, we’re good. It’s always around Thanksgiving weekend, so a good opportunity to give thanks for sure. Uh well, thank you, man. I’m going to rip through a few people who are backstage, but thank you. Thank you for your support. And what’s your what’s your game plan for the rest of the 24 hours? Uh, I’m going to try to stay up as late as I can. Probably going to be sneaking my phone while I’m laying beside my wife tonight. Um, and then, like I said, I’m up at 5:00 a.m. in the morning, so I’ll I’ll have you in my ear at work. Awesome. Up until up until 11. I appreciate that. I appreciate that very much. Well, and hopefully you’re around to to enter that contest at 10 o’clock. I think it will be. Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Good. You got both bonus words so far? Yes. Okay. They’re pretty easy. They’re pretty easy so far. All right, man. Thanks for everything. I appreciate you. Okay. And then let’s find each other at the game tomorrow night if I don’t get the chance to chat with you another way. Yeah, we’ll try. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good, bud. Okay. Thanks, Irvin. Take care. All right. That’s Swervan Irvin, brand new. Oh, I hopefully you can still hear me. Thank you for upgrading to legend. Yes. So, Swervven Irvin, the newest legend on this channel, which is pretty great. Okay, this is the order we’re going to go in from the PC backstage. Gerald, you’re next. Then Rain, then Callum, and then Tyler. I I’m going to bring you on, but if people come on before, knowing that I got you at 10 o’clock tonight, right, I I’ll bump you, but but there’s no one else to come. That came out the wrong way. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Is uh Okay, Tyler’s good. I don’t have to explain myself to him. All right, Gerald, you ready to go? All right, let’s go. Here’s Gerald. Hey, Clay. Hey, everyone. How are you? just a bit tired from last night. Um yeah, tell me about it. Tell me about it. Um well, yesterday I had to go to Greta to see Ty Tyler and uh Samantha and then Alvin was also there. So it was really cool just hanging out with them, watching the game. Um yeah, it was the first time watching the game with them and uh yeah, Alfred kind of surprised me like he he takes those jabs at um while watching. So it was it was pretty it’s pretty entertaining. Yeah. Who Alfred was taking jabs? Yeah. So he was he was just I don’t know. He tried to start these chants about how Oilers suck and and I don’t know some odd players here and there. So, it was it was really entertaining in that aspect because um yeah, I know he he comments in the chat a lot, but like to to experience that in in person was was really interesting. Uh how many people do you think were at Greta? How many people? Um I would say 50. No. No. Um because you have to actually register to go. Um which is odd. They it it was pretty much just to see how many people they they were planning to go. So when I registered it was at 52 I think. Okay. Cuz it was it was pretty late like it was during the day of. So I would say yeah maybe within 60. Okay. And then how and then the good company one was actually I knew about that one because I know the organizers of that one. How did that one go? Uh it wasn’t as um decked out as Greta cuz Greta they had like you know decorations um a lot of screens um and just tons of Canucks fans in in jerseys. Um, and it was just the upstairs part of Greta, so it was more cozy. Um, at Gooden Co. I didn’t notice as many jerseys or notice as many fans, but obviously this game was was broadcast through all the screens within the building, so it was more spread out, right? So, it didn’t seem as tight-knit as the Greta one. So, it was Yeah. So, at Greta, we were sitting like behind us was was Matt Sakaras. Went and chatted with him because I I think Ty wants to get him as a a guest and I think Tyler’s a bit shy. So, I was like, “Here, how about how about I go and and talk to him and then just just come on over.” So, I I went over. I was like, “Can I get get a picture?” And got Ty to take it for me. And then we started chatting a little bit and I was like, “Oh, this is Tyler. He’s you know, he does nuts content.” Um, yeah. So, got that started and then uh just before leaving, I think Alfred went and grabbed quads to play air hockey and I was like, “Yo, let me we got to go. Our Uber is coming, but can we can I get a like a few swipes at it?” And then yeah, quads just killed me. Two goals. Um and then I was like, “I got to go with the game.” So, yeah, it was more enjoyable in that sense because, you know, you see the media that we have in Vancouver. We’re super grateful that we have this sort of tight-knit community and just a lot of talent that does all the Canucks and um to see them in person, they’re actually really nice. So, that was that was the difference I would say between the two. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. And then Yeah. Uh what are your impressions of this team so far two games in? Um yesterday was tough. Like that was a tough game to watch and I think I was busting on Samantha on Sam about how you know talk hockey you know like they averaged 21 shots or or 20 shots in the preseason for all their games. Yeah. And that kind of smacked me in the face because at the end of our game it was 15 shots. So that was just I was like what’s going on? Like why are there no shots? and and uh Justin was actually busting on Pey for not getting a shot until gosh I don’t I don’t even know like by the third of the first game and then this game yeah he got a shot off but like it just they need to shoot more like I I don’t know what happened yesterday it’s just it yeah it’s just deflating to see it like there there weren’t a lot of chances and I can’t remember who um one of the guests said after two periods for 12 high danger for the Oilers and Kucks had zero. So how do you how do you sustain? Yeah. So how do you sustain games like that? Like you know people were were cautious or or worried about no offense. Yeah. Last night showed very well like you know there is no offense. So that’s that’s the most worrisome. But it’s only game two. Still got 80 to go. So hopefully that changes and we just got to stay optimistic, right? Yeah. No, I like it. I like it very much. Well, Gerald, thank you. I’m gonna keep on popping through people, but thank you very much. And you’ve been here for the whole time already, right? Yeah. Um, I kind of doze off a little bit in between. I’m just on my bed with my with my tablet, so it’s been running the whole time. And, um, but I caught the guest like harm was awesome. Loved it. Um, yeah. So, I’ve been blessed. Everyone was good. And then u moving after this moving into more I wouldn’t say local but like like not non-professional but great content creators Nick um Alyssa and then our our our slew of guys here. So it should be a lot of fun. So and then the boys come Yeah. Then the boys come on at midnight. That’s going to be a gong show. I already know. Uh let’s let’s hope there is that tortilla slap this year again. Uh I’ve I’ve heard them scheming a couple things. So we’ll see what happens. But we’ll we’ll find out in a few hours. Okay. Stay strong, brother. You you’ve been doing great so far. So, we’ll be all here supporting. Thank you. I feel good. Thanks, Gerald. I appreciate you, man. Take care. Take care. See you. Talk soon. Thanks. Bye. That’s Gerald. Appreciate Gerald. Rain, you ready to go? All right, here comes our friend Rain. Let’s go. How’s it going? Oh, wow. Okay. Oh, there we go. So, you can’t hear anything backstage, eh? Oh, god. What is happening here? I have two different things going on. Hang on. There we go. I can’t hear. I can’t hear you now. No. Okay. Um, tell you what, I’ll pop you out and pop you back in. Give me a sec. I can’t hear you. Give me a sec. Give me a sec. Popping back in. Okay. Can you hear me now? No. Can you hear me now? Uhoh. Still can’t hear. That’s weird. Okay, we can hear you. Um, look in the chat. How do I say this? Look in the chat. Uh, we can’t hear. I can’t hear. So, this is what we’re going to do, Rain. Highlight questions in the chat. I’m going to Oh, wait. No, hang on. What is happening? Can you hear? Can you hear now? Nothing. It’s weird. Okay. Cuz I I can hear you through the live stream video, but not through Streamyard. Oh, maybe try shutting down the live stream for like Are you on the same Are you on the same like device? I know you’re probably like a couple seconds behind me now, too. Yep. Yeah. You You’re on the same device. Yep. Okay, close the stream. Yep. Rain, close the stream and then see if you can hear me inside of StreamYard. Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? Can you hear me now? He’s typing fast. Still can’t hear. Okay. Okay. Go to your cell phone. Oh. Um, I’m gonna tell Ryan to relog in or I put in questions and he just answers them. Oh, I can hear myself. Or I put in questions and he just answers them. Oh, I can hear myself. Or I put in questions. Oh, okay. So, I think we were getting somewhere. So, what we’ll do is we’ll come back. Um Oh, logging back in. Let’s try this. Let’s try this. Is Oh, wait a second. Can you hear me now? Yes, now I can. Okay, then. Can you turn me down on your phone? Okay, perfect. Awesome. So, what do you think? What do you think happened? I have no idea. I’m not I’m not good with technology, which is which is hilarious because I’m the tech geek at work. So, where do you work? Uh I’m a or generally generally Oh, I’m a patient ambassador at an urgent care center, which is just a fancy term for Walmart greeter. That’s awesome. Which one? Uh it’s out out in the interior, so we’ll we’ll leave it at that. Okay. Very good. Very good. Well, happy you are here. Um, have you been watching? I wonder what happened then. Wonder why it wasn’t working earlier. No idea. Okay. But glad you’re here and I know you uh No, I’m glad I could bring you on for a few minutes to chat. So, what have you been up to? Uh, I’ve been working. Yeah, Oh, yes. Working and hearing lots of questions and having people tell me their medical problems even though I don’t look like a doctor and I’m not qualified for it. even though sometimes it feels like I am. Um, right. Well, I’m sure you’re a you’re a nice uh calming presence to people that speak to you. Sure. Okay. All right. I know I don’t want to It’s not a waste of time, but I want I don’t want to waste your time. You mentioned that you had a couple I don’t know if you still have hot takes or a couple things that you want to talk about. Um, I got I got hot takes, I guess. I don’t know if they’re going to be popular, but Okay. Okay. Let’s hear them. Let’s hear one or two. Well, let’s see. Well, first of all, let me preface by saying I am a Quinn Hughes fan. Okay. I have I am a Quinn Hughes fan. I’ve got jerseys in my closet. I am a Quinn Hughes fan. Yeah. I don’t think he’ll be a Canuck on July 1st, 2027. And I think that management will only have themselves to blame for why he’s no longer Kuck on July 1st, 2027. All right, let’s hear this. This sounds good. And it’s got nothing to do with what Jack Hughes has said. It’s got nothing to do with uh Rutherford’s recent comments, or at least I don’t think it does. So, one thing we know about this group, or at least I think so. This group has had at least four incidents that have come to mind that where they had a chance to learn from it, acknowledge it, and choose to behave and choose differently because of it. Well, they haven’t done any of those things. And of course, we know the four incidents, the Bruce Budro firing. Yeah. Or whatever you want to call it, the Miller PD rift, the Rick Tocket departure, and the Brock Besser contract negotiation. All four of those scenarios have a common denominator in them. And it’s very simple. It’s three simple words that we’ve never heard this group say. Lack of something. No, go ahead. We were wrong. Ah, have we ever heard this group say we were wrong? We were wrong for how we handled this. We were wrong for letting it go public. We were wrong for taking way too long to make a decision regardless of whether it was the right one or not. We took too long. And because they’ve never learned or they never acknowledge that they’ve done anything wrong because you can’t change what you don’t acknowledge, they keep making the same mistake over and over again, right? And then wonder why nothing’s changed and eventually it’s going to cost them. Like out of the five five names I mentioned, who’s still here? Two. Yep. Yeah. And the one not under didn’t exactly get a ringing endorsement at the end of last season and the other one. Yeah. Okay. I’m I’m still going to stick to my hot take that he’ll get traded in three years. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll still stick to it. So, wow. That’s So, you’re saying that their inability to and just their lack of accountability is going to hurt them when it comes their inability to take responsibility. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And their their inability to learn from previous incidences are going to cost their franchise defense. At least I think it will. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. You convinced me that I got to bring you on for your own uh my your own segment on one of my shows. For sure. For sure. So, say save the rest of your hot takes. That was a good one, Rain. And just tell me your impressions of your first couple games knowing that it’s only a couple games. Well, full disclosure, I didn’t watch last night, although I doesn’t look like it needed to to know that uh Demco probably at least is in the conversation to be on the Olympic team at this point. Yeah, he was good. And the first game, you know, the scoreboard says Vancouver dominated, but for a team that is facing off in their opener against a team who played the night before, that should have been an easy wipeout. That should have been an easy That should have been an easy win and it wasn’t. It was It was anything but an easy win. Mhm. Mhm. So, and I I just wonder, but come back to me at the end of October to see who the real team is because if there’s one thing we know about Vancouver, one of the real kryptonites is October because they constantly play from behind by the time they get to November and they never catch up by the time it by the time it matters by the time March and April comes around. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So, I’m going to check in with you at the end of October. I’ll bring you on the show. You can give more hot takes and we and we will do a proper reflection of where the team is. How does that sound? Okay, I’ll believe that when I see it. What you mean about me bringing you on the show? We’ll make it work. We’ll make it work. We’ll make it work. Let’s not shade. I’m just saying. No, it’s all good. Well, busy guy here. I got a lot of people that want to be on the show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I’m not that interesting. Well, Rain, thank you. And have you been watching the whole thing or you been in and out? Well, I just got home like an hour ago. So, okay. And it’s a it’s a little hard to view the stream when people are like, “Hi, so I’m looking for this department or can you see if this is No. Yeah. So, so to be clear, just because there was a clarification question, you work at Walmart or it’s like you’re a Walmart greeter. So, my my job is a patient ambassador, which is just the fancy term for a Walmart greeter. Oh, but you’re actually a patient ambassador. You don’t work at Walmart. So, I I guide people to whichever department they need to go to in an urgent care center. Gotcha. Whereas Shannon is actually doing the the greeting at an actual Walmart. But I get you guys are doing the similar thing. Okay, that makes sense. So, I think Shannon wanted to know if she had a a fellow Walmart greeter in here. That’s why that’s what she was saying. Oh, it’s Oh, sometimes I wish I was a Walmart greeter. Yeah. Well, there you go. Well, thank you, Rain. I will get you on here eventually, but I appreciate that hot take and I appreciate Yeah. when you have time. It doesn’t have to be right away. Go back and and scrub through some of those interviews from earlier. They were really good today. Let’s do it. Awesome. Thanks for being here. Okay. Talk soon. All right. Thanks, Rain. Bye. All right. That was Rain. Very, very good. Callum, if you’re ready to go, I’m going to go Callum, then Fang Girl, then Tyler to wrap up. So, Callum, I I don’t see your m your camera on, but I do see that your microphone’s ready to go. So, I’m going to bring you on and we are going to see what happens. Callum, are you there? Uh, yeah, I’m here. Can you hear me? I can. How are you? Oh, I’m very well. Um, oh, is that better? Yeah. No, I can we can hear you just fine. No, no, that camera thing. I don’t know why it’s not working. Yeah. So, I saw you Hey, when you when you came backstage, I saw the camera on. Yeah. And then I I switched it over to you. Oh, weird. The the app asked me to pass the camera and the mic over. Maybe you can control it. I I don’t or weird. Let’s see if that works. Oh, okay. No, now we’re getting closer. Something happened there. Um, well, it now looks like Okay, now turn your camera on. It looks like your camera’s off now. Now try turning it on. Oh, okay. So, am I supposed to have the camera pointing at me? Probably, right? It It doesn’t really matter. Oh, there you go. You got me. Okay. This is like the the spooky spooky back alley. Like, check this out. I got my my Canucks toque on. It’s This is a famous toque. It’s a famous tooth. Oh, the neighbors are celebrating something. So, shooting at you, Callum. Uh, I’m in Dunar. I’m in the back alley having a smoke and a beer and just This is the toque of destiny. No, no, it’s fireworks. It’s all good. It’s not Beirut. Um, we’re good. Hey, this kind of reminds me of one of those Jerry Lewis T on things, right? You know, like I I I hope people are are are really really behind you and stuff, but uh like do I think they made the right trade with Pey? I’m going to I don’t know if you can see this, but I I there’s an A here and then there’s um I think you probably can’t see it. It’s Miller. Okay. Miller. You get that? Yeah. Get that. Yeah. I don’t know. Like Yeah, I know. You can’t see anything. I can’t I can barely see anything. It’s pitch black out here. Um so, uh this is amazing that you’re doing a 24hour live stream. That’s that’s awesome. God bless you. Like crazy. Thank you. I’m having fun. I I must say that the the the lighting plus the angle plus your beard um this is quite the site right now. I bet. Is it like super scary? No, it’s not scary at all. It’s unique. Oh, it’s definitely unique. I I’m I’m in a back alley in Dunbar and one of the richest neighborhoods in Canada having a smoke and a beer and talking to you. It’s kind of cool. Um, I want to get your take I want to get your take on the Canucks in a second though. But what’s what’s Sand do? Is that your middle name? No. Uh, like I’m fan number one for Locked On. Like when they first started, I I guess I just happened to be the first guy that supported them. I was kind of like their Barnabas encouraging them when they only had like like literally on their their broadcast last night. Somebody tried to to slooh foot me on some stuff in the chat and those guys just went like no you can’t do that to Callum. He’s like our awesome he’s you know when we only had three watches he was one of them and Kyle was the other. So like um you know like everyone was on I don’t know if you know Kyle and Begsy but uh like everybody’s been dumping on him about his voice and I was like very early on I was saying like no this is a good thing. It it sets you apart. It makes you unique, right? Yeah. Um you know uh and and they’re great for content and stuff. Like my my thing for the Canucks right now is I want me I want my I want my manini. I do. I love this kid. I l I really do. I I love everything about him. I love I love our back end. It’s looking great. Uh hot takes from the last game. We weren’t expected to win that game, I don’t think. And losing to like uh a team that’s been in the Stanley Cup finals two years in a row is no great shakes. So, we only lost by like a goal. They only got two on Damco real. And uh you know, like if like the crazy stuff like here’s a stat for you. What did you realize that they played Coots more minutes than they played EP40 last night? They did like to the the player the player with the mo the forward with the most time on ice last night for the Canucks was Kane. Yes. I’m aware that what are they thinking? I want I I want more Sherwood. I want more Lanin. I want I want to like like Lanin or not L not Lankin. I like Caramaki. Um the Caramaki didn’t like nobody really did a whole lot last night like really. Uh Hughes was great. Um that Demer save, one of the best saves I’ve ever seen. That hit from Kane, what what an express train. But I mean, you know, if you’re gonna take something away from that game, I guess they’re just saying we’re going to be hard to play against. And they definitely made a case for that. I mean, look at that thing with McDavid, right? Like, I I’m surprised he only got 2,500 bucks for that. And apparently, McDavid doesn’t wear a cup. So, like like the look on his face. Have you seen it? I could feel that. I I could I I could feel it, you know, like um anyhow, um I’m I’m I’m actually like pretty happy with the Canucks. I I think they’re going to win in really unexpected new ways this season, ways we haven’t seen before. And I don’t think Quinn Hughes is leaving. I really don’t. Um like uh geez, you know, like the the the landscapes change it so much in the league. Um who who was the guy that got like 18 mil? Capri off. Do you know the the Capri off, right? Do you think he’s worth 18 mil? I guess so. And that’s probably going to be a cheap contract in about four years. Eventually. Eventually. Well, Callum, that’s that was a good that was a good run, Callum. I’m going to bring you on another time and I’m going to teach you how to use your I’m not sure if you’re using your front-facing camera on your phone or if you’re reverse and holding it backwards. It’s the reverse. And anyway, I have very bad lighting. I’m almost out of power. So, I’ll let you go. Just like want to give you some encouragement. Maybe a Starbucks coffee or something. Well, thank you. If anybody’s on this feed and they haven’t liked and they haven’t liked and subscribed you, this guy is is is a gamer. You should sign up. Okay. Nice talking to you. God bless. Have a good night. God bless you, too. We’ll talk soon. Thank you. Okay. Super bye. Go Canucks. Go. Sounds great. That was awesome. Probably the scariest thing I’ve ever seen on one of my live streams, but that was awesome. Okay, this is what we’re gonna do. Fang Girl Alfred then Tyler 3 minutes each gets me out with a 10-minute break. All right, let’s do it. Fang Girl, you’re first. Welcome. How are you? I’m doing good. Just trying to watch this Chiefs game, too. Oh, what’s the score right now? They just scored a touchdown and it’s like 2717. Wait, which game are Oh, the Chiefs game. And then who’s winning the Blue Jays game? Uh, it’s the other team. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. How’s the weather where you are in Northern BC today? It is cold. It’s cold. It’s the sweater with your merch. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Is it cozy? Yeah. Okay. Thank you for wearing it. I know. It looks a lot better than you on you than me. Um, have you been watching the whole thing already? Uh, I had to take a break because I went out um That’s right. I did see that. Yeah, I did see that. I did see that. Um, and what’s your Thanksgiving weekend been like already? How’s it going? I’ve been playing the hockey. It’s been a little bit intense, but it’s been okay. Good, good, good. I’m glad. I’m glad. Did you watch both games already for the Canucks? Yep. What are you thinking right now? Look, I’m concerned about the power play. It means Yeah. Yeah. We We haven’t scored a goal yet, have we? No. Worst part is I have the list up in this notebook. Yeah. One of them being a short-handed no. I created the list. So you create a list of what? Dry citle on the list. Can’t very tell, but there’s dry on the list. That doesn’t look like much of a list. There’s one thing on it. That’s because there’s only one short hand goal on the season. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. That list is of what? 13 scores a short-handed goal that they go. Oh, so you’re making a list of people that score short-handed against us. Yeah, I have one for those next two. Short-handed. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I have one for if they get power play goal. It’s a Oh, a quote or a grande. Thank you. Next. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I have one for if they bad goat list. If a can go in in the pie box and scores. Gotcha. Okay. So, I’m going to have to revisit those lists with you throughout the Yeah. throughout the season. That’s pretty cool, actually. Well, yeah. You’ll have to do that. Awesome. Okay. Give me one more one more reflection about the about the season. So aside from our power play needs work, I mean when they on pal’s on the power penalty kill or power play I made the comment like that looks like a game of wakey wakey what you do in the drill hockey drill. Yeah. Yeah. Oh wow. Well I think uh I’m glad that you’re watching every game. I’m glad you’re covering the Chiefs. You’re covering the Blue Jays and you’re wearing my merch and you have lists that only have one pe one thing on it already. But that that’s but bigger. They they will get bigger for sure. Awesome. Well, thank you. And are you planning to be around for the for the rest? We’ll see if I can. I still need to have a regular sleep pattern. So, okay. So, do what you can and then uh try and stay up for the boys. It might be worth it at 12, but then maybe that’s when you fall asleep. I’ll try to stay up for that. Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you. I almost I almost used your name, but thank you, Fang Girl. It did. Yeah. And we’ll we’ll talk soon. Okay. Yeah. See you. Okay. Looking good. Thanks. All right. That was Fang Girl from Northern BC. No, this is only my second Pepsi, believe it or not. My second Pepsi. And I’m eight hours in. So, one out of every four hours is better than one out of every hour for sure. Sky Train Alfred, you ready to go? Let’s go. Uh, bring yourself in as only you know how. Here we go. Three, two, one. The next station is Clay’s 24-hour live stream. So, what’s this about you trash talking at the at the the Greta thing last night? Uh, I don’t know about trash talking, but I the jabs that uh Gerald’s been talking about, I was more like Chuck these Oilers or Sarah’s better. You know what I mean? What’s the Sarah’s better one? You don’t know. So, we got So, whenever um what’s his name? Darnell nurses on the ice. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. You Well, that hopefully you had some big guys around you. You didn’t get beat up last night. Oh, no. No, I didn’t get beat up. So, yeah. So, did you go to both both get togethers or just the Gretle one? Uh, just the Gretle one. Yeah. How was it? Um, yeah, it was fun. Uh I actually actually got to play air hockey against quads and I won I won by just one goal at the end. So and then did wasn’t didn’t Irvin No, Gerald No, Gerald said then he lost. Sorry. Didn’t then Gerald played air hockey too, right? Uh he he played like one game during my game sort of thing. Yeah. So, who did he lose to? Because you were playing quads. Who did he play? No, he lost to quads. Oh, I see. I see. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. But, but you took quads down. So, then by by relative theory or whatever, you should be able to beat Gerald then. Sure. Yeah. Don’t be afraid. I could say that. I could say that. All right. Now, you um I don’t know if you and been hanging out with Justin, but you seem down on Pey right now. Well, have you seen Pey last night? He was quiet. He was He was He was on the ice for how many minutes and he showed up or he got nothing to show for? Yeah. Yeah. And that’s what we’re playing That’s what we’re paying 11.6 million million dollars for. Is that the kind of PD we’re paying for to what? Like come on. I’m I’m definitely calling for the strip of the A if he keeps continuing like that. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. And what happens if he gets a hat-tick tomorrow? Um I Well, it would be too early for me to really pull it off, but in a 10 game picture, that’s when uh I’ll I’ll really give judgment because that’s fair. I’m really not uh liking what I’m seeing from PD. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s so much for what you call that the revenge tour. Yeah. So, I I I understand your frustration. I do. Um but the revenge tour didn’t say it was going to be done after two games. Like, that’s true. That’s true. That’s true. But I’m just I I’m just not liking what I’m seeing so far. And that’s fair. And just as much as I would say preach patience, I will be the first to admit after 10 games or 15 games, if he’s not moving the needle, then yeah, this is going to be very long season for sure. Uh any other thoughts like from what you’ve noticed from the game? Like what do you like aside from Demco? Give me one other takeaway. Um our power play doesn’t look threatening at all. We’re not even scoring on the power play. And for whatever reason, I do think that the Fords don’t seem to want to score for whatever reason. That that’s what I think. That’s why that’s why I’m so nervous about our scoring from from our uh forward lineup. Like where are we going to get where are we going to get goals from? Besser for sure. Yeah. Um De Brusk, we all know that he can be streaky. Pety, when are we going to get goals, right? Yes. I’m starting to see some from Leer Mackey. Yep. Um I’d like to see some from Ben Coots, too. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Coots uh the the Coots one is going to be interesting because uh yeah, he might only have a few more games to show his wearers, right? Yeah. Yes. Yes, that’s right. Well, Alfred, I appreciate you coming by on Thanksgiving weekend. Are you going to be in and out for the next little bit? Yeah, I’ll be in and out. Okay. Try and be here for the That doesn’t sound right the way it came out, but yeah. And I want you to be around for the entire stream, but uh try and be around for the midnight hour. That was That’s going to be a lot of fun with with the boys if you’re still there. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. And uh thank you. And I’ll let you see yourself out. See you later. Different Irvin. Bye. Love it. Love it. Okay, this is what we’re going to do. Tyler, hang tight. I still want to get you on. Um um I’m going to let SGA come on for two minutes because uh we’re running up against time. So SGA, two minutes, then Tyler for a couple minutes, and then we’ll wrap it up. SGA, I hope you’re ready to go. SJA, you only have two minutes, so do not waste any of it complimenting me. Uh actually, Nathan would be hilarious. Nathan, uh two minutes for you. Nathan, you got to It’s the pinned comment. Nathan, um I don’t know if he’s going to get on, but he’s the he’s the kid of my employee. So, Nathan, if you click on this link that I just posted, I’ll get you on for two minutes max, but we’re going to go SGA first. SGA, welcome to the show. Hey, Clay, I’m a uh I’m a big fan of you. I’m a big fan of your YouTube channel. You make some really great content, and I wish you the best of luck. Awesome. Thank you. Tell me how I’m not making fun. How was the home opener? The home opener was really great, but Vegas Golden Knights came in there and they just took over the whole game and I was like I like I was there to have a really great time with my friends and Vegas just took over the game and we lost in the home opener which was very crucial cuz the first game of the season’s always the most important game for any um any NHL player’s career. You always want to get a win in your home opener, but we lost in overtime. And then we play the Anaheim Ducks. And that was the most frustrating performance by our San Jose Sharks. Cuz the Anaheim Ducks are a very good hockey team. They have Becket Senaki. They have Mika Granlin, former San Jose Shark. I have his autograph in my jersey by the way. So that’s very, very emotional for me to see that autograph on my jersey and see that he’s playing for the Ducks now. Yeah. But yeah, but Ryan Warsovski is is is hesitant and stubborn on sitting Michael Misa, our our draft pick that we just got this year. He’s sitting Michael Misa. And I don’t understand why are you sitting Why you Why is our head coach sitting resting Michael Misa? He should be out there playing. He’s our he’s our he’s our he’s a young he’s our young talent upcoming young talent with you know Mlin and Will Smith and they should be starting Michael Misa more often and I don’t understand why Ryan Worovski our head coach wonderful head coach by the way he’s great a great great genius of a mind head coach I love I love Ryan Worovski I love him a lot but you have to you you have to play Michael Misa out there on the ice more often and he’s not playing him that often I don’t understand really. I don’t understand at all cuz he he would just got him in the in the NHL draft. Well, exactly. And that that’s what I would say. I hear your frustration cuz you wanted you know pissed off with that and that that Anaheim Ducks for 706 loss in overtime was the most frustrating uh performance I’ve ever seen by this team. I I hear you, brother. And I would say a lot of f-words on the stream, but I don’t want to say it because I don’t want to get de I don’t want your stream to get demonetized. That’s okay. You already said it once, but that’s fine. Don’t say anymore. No problem. Uh we I appreciate your honesty. Uh but Shard, I have to go because I got to streak coming on coming on coming on the show. And the Sharks have to break this losing streak because we should be two and 0 to start the season, but we’re 0 and2 to start the season, which is heartbreaking. But I know this team is is going to is is is is you know they have a lot of grit and determination and motivation and I don’t know they’re going to get out of this this rut. Uh but thanks for having me on the show and then I’ll definitely come on another time. Awesome. We’ll chat soon. Thanks viewers. Make sure to click the like like make sure to click the like button. Smash the subscribe button and ring that notification bell for Clay’s Connects commentary. Make some great Vancouver Conucks content. Make sure to subscribe to the SGA Sports Talk channel. If you like Sharks content, subscribe to my channel. But thanks for having me on the show and I’ll see you later. Have a good night. Sounds good. Thanks, R. I actually feel bad. That’s That’s the saddest I’ve ever heard him really. Like I actually do feel bad for him. But they will indeed uh they’ll be good eventually. Okay, Tyler, hang on. I’m still going to get to you. I promise because I’m a man of my word. But I got to bring in uh this guy, Nathan McCriedi. Here we go. Nathan, I got two minutes for you starting now. Oh, hello. Hello. So, for everyone, Nathan, I work with Nathan’s mom. I have for the past 16 years. And are you guys all at Thanksgiving dinner right now? Yeah, we are. Cuz your dad just texted me a picture of you guys. Yeah, we’re watching you right now. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you. All right. You’ve seen Have you watched both games? Yeah, I did. Yes. How are you feeling about this team? You’re I’m not going to rush you. You’re a smart guy. Let’s Let’s hear your opinion. Well, I think I hear myself in the other room. Uh yeah, I think that like the Canucks good start. Yeah, like good first game for sure cuz they all were firing all on all cylinders. Yeah. Feel like we just need to back up Demco. Like I think we need to like focus on offense right now. That’s for sure. Cuz our PK was pretty good. Yep. Our everything was like everything else was fine. It’s just stupid offense, like giveaways, stupid stuff like that. Yeah. I think it was just really sloppy last game. Yeah. And you And as much I want to see the Canucks do well, I recognize who we were playing against too, right? That was They were finalists. Yeah. They were finalists last two years. By the way, did Sheldon’s in here says all time recreating. Oh, shout out Sheldon Rodriguez. That Well, you you you brought fans. You’re bringing people to my channel. I did. Yeah. Um, are you worried about Pey? Quick answer. Um, no. No, I have him in my fantasy league, so hopefully not. Hopefully he’ll be good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then, um, do you plan to get to a lot of games this year? Uh, if you would have me. Well, I have to make you pay for some of the tickets, but I’m sure we can work I’m sure we can work something out. And what are you doing for the A It’s really funny because Nate and I hang out and we we minister together. We do events together, but I’ve never had them on one of my shows. But I think I we got to get you and your boys all on the show at one time, right? Yeah. We’re supposed to do it this show. Well, where are they? Where are they? I thought you were going to ask us. No, not for the 24-hour live stream. Oh, yeah. Okay. What? We’ll set it up one day. We We’ll get you on. We’ll get you on. Okay. Give me one uh your prediction. Vancouver Conucks. Do they make the playoffs? And if so, in what place? Um wild card two. Okay. Wild card two. minimum wild card two third place division max. Okay. So, you’re saying um somewhere between 67 and eight. Is that fair to say? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, say hi to your family for me. Sorry, Nathan, but I I I snuck you in here. I hope you appreciate what I did. Don’t worry. It’s an honor. Thank you. No, don’t be silly. But happy to that guy before. I’m a Sharks fan, too. So, what’s that? I’m a Sharks fan, too. Yeah. Sho’s he comes on every stream and he he got so excited to go home over here. You can hear he was a broken man. So, we got to we got to fix him. We got to fix that team. They’ll be good in the next three years. So, I agree with you. I agree with you. All right, Nate. Thanks. And say hi to your family for me. I will. Bye. Okay. Happy Thanksgiving. Bye. That’s awesome. And then that was Nathan. And finally, we’re going to get to hear him at 10 o’clock, but we’re going to hear him for two minutes now. Tyler, hey man, thanks for understanding. I’m so rushed. Uh, not rushed. I I mean, I just want to get through as many people as I can. I hate to people. Yeah. How was Greta last night? It was great. Yeah. Bum. Blue Jays just lost. Oh, like the game’s over. I’m watching it right now. So, what’s the final score? 3-1 Mariners. Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, how was uh So, you went to both meetups last night, right? Yeah, we went to Greta at first. Uh, we’re there until just before the third period and then myself, Gerald, and my wife Sam went to uh Goodco afterward. Oh, wow. You hit both of them. That’s awesome. Yeah. Well, I’m jealous that Gerald got to meet Sam and I haven’t yet. That’s cool. That’s cool. That’s cool. Um, what are your impressions? I know we’re going to talk about this in a couple hours, but your impressions of the first couple games. Uh, I was impressed for the first game, at least, uh, the third period anyway. Yeah. Um, the last game I wasn’t too impressed. Um, as I’m sure you heard from Gerald earlier, you know, and Alfred as well, the shots I was like, what is this? Brick talk hockey. Yeah. Uh, I thought it was gone. And I think I even said that to Alren, too. Um, but yeah, I did I have to agree with Gerald on that little clip on the shots when it comes to my wife Sam because she’s a Flyers fan. Yeah. Um, so I’m glad Gerald mentioned that. That was awesome. That made me laugh. Um, hopefully she’s not watching this herself. Um, but yeah, no, I just wasn’t impressed last night. I thought it was, you know, kind of sleepy hockey, at least for the Canucks. Offense kind of actually reminds me of this baseball game right now. The offense was just quiet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, how much did you chalk that up to the opponent being Edmonton? Uh, yeah, I definitely chalk it up a lot to Edmonton. Uh, I mean, they had uh Pickard in the net. I think it would have been maybe a different scenario if Skinner was in. Yeah. Um, so but they just shut down the Canucks offense, so you have to give them props for that. Abs. Yeah. No, that’s fair. That’s fair. Well, Tyler, thanks for being good sport. I have to bounce off because I got to move everyone to the second uh the second link now, but I will look forward to catching you up with you in a couple hours where we’re going to have a nice little uh YouTuber round table, which it’s gonna be a lot of fun. Yeah, I’ll be wearing a completely different outfit, too. I hope so. I’m just kidding. I can’t wait. Okay, thanks buddy. We’ll see you in a bit. All right. See you. Thanks, Tyler. Take care. That is Tyler from the Line Change podcast. He’s going to be a part of my um of my round table. Okay, you guys ought to do this. I just pinned it. I’m going to end off in the next minute. And when I do so, I need you to go to this link because we are shutting down this stream and moving to a new one. So, go to tinyurl.com/cc24hour part two. I just pinned it. If you go there in the comment section, um it should work because um we’re shutting down this stream and moving to part two. So, get over there now. I’ll give you all three minutes to get over there. We’re going to have Twisted Wrist um join me there. So, I’m going to shut this down pretty quick and we’ll head over to that second link and then we’ll pick up from here. So once again, thank you. This eight hours in the book, 16 hours to go. The next eight hours are going to be on um on this stream on this link. Charlie, I’ve explained already a couple times why I’m doing this. I can’t do 24 hours in a row. So I’m doing three eight hours. Carol, just click on the link right there. It’s it’s in the comments. My last comment, just click on it and I will see you all there. All right. Okay. God bless you guys. 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