Did The Jets Get Even Better This Year? | Real Kyper & Bourne

Did The Jets Get Even Better This Year? | Real Kyper & Bourne

[Music] Once again, it’s time for the fastest two hours in hockey. It’s the real Kipper and Bourne show. Nick Ciprios, Justin Borne, Sammy McKe, Jake the Snake Schultz, Derek Brando. We are live on Sportset 360, Sportsnet 650 in Vancouver, 960 in Calgary and streaming always on Sportsnet Plus. And if you miss our show, give us a download on a Spotify, an Apple podcast, or a YouTube. All right, Sammy. Dark basement. Just you and the Jay’s. Mhm. And is Ally not home? Yeah, she’s home. You just She left you to watch that. They came through for you in flying colors. They did. Okay, so you mentioned the Dark Basement game and I mean I was blown away by the response to this on Twitter. Yeah, there’s more other like losers. But here’s what Okay, I I texted and if you’re watching on YouTube or Sports Plus or Sports 360, I texted a picture of my setup to Jen so we could put it on so everybody could see. You tweeted this out. Yes. Is this grim, boys? It’s It’s pretty grim. Okay. Like I got a lot of blowback on like how grim this is. It’s a perfectly It’s a great size TV for the wall. Tell them what else do I need? That is exactly like mix in a plant. I’m like a plant. What do I look like? Like I need a milk crate and a TV. It’s It’s tough to know the scenario of the Where that little bit of light is coming from on the left is a lamp. Okay. There’s a nice coffee table there. A nice a nice a lamp. Yeah. Not a plant to plant. Tell them. Isn’t it bad enough? My my playoff teams die. Do I need the plant to die, too? I’m sitting on the couch taking that photo with a nice coffee table. I just don’t know. What else am I supposed like a coomon? Am I supposed to put it there? We have like a hutch underneath it with frames and shelving up the sides. Some sort of like I like the simplicity. It’s just, you know, quite frankly, I am the only person that ever watches anything on that TV. So, it’s like I don’t need it. No frrill. It’s not that it’s grim. It’s everything out of frame makes it seem like in isolation. You live in like a sterile hospital room with like one thing on the wall. I’m sure there’s picture frames on other walls. Maybe not. There’s a couple on the other side. Anyway, as a reminder, this hour real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet 365. So, plenty to get into around the National Hockey League league as we get ready for a Toronto Blue Jay game tonight. What 8:33 first pitch baseball’s precision later and later. Yeah, you’re you’re struggling. You know, I I got to be honest with you. As much as I love the Jays, I was so comfortable last night. I I I shut it down probably seventh eighth inning, right? What was it? 12-3 at that time. I don’t know. 124 at the end of the eighth inning. The Kirky three-run bomb probably sent a few people. Totally. That’s So that’s all good. Uh in the meantime, in a few minutes, we’ll welcome in Sean Reynolds, Sportsnet reporter for Winnipeg. We’ve seen him on Hockey Night in Canada. More importantly, on this show, doing a terrific job giving us a little Jets talk. Oh yeah, we’re due. We’re due. Haven’t done it yet. It’s bad. I don’t We just got started here. They’ve only played four games. No. Uh they’re they’re going to be real interesting to watch. Like so many years the focus has been Oh, a Toronto Edmonton final. It’s destined. It’ll be great for Canada and then quietly Winnipeg’s become the best team in Canada. I’m pretty sure if you go to the Sports Net predictions, I put him in the cup final this year. Oo, really? Yeah, I did. Really? Yeah. Okay. I I feel like not just because of what they are or what happened last year, but I feel like they’ll add this year. And I looked at that roster, I’m like, they didn’t lose many guys. No, like they’re just And what’s Taves by mid-season? Is he become a contributor? Hell has some playoff experience. Maybe he’ll figure it out. All those big games at the Olympics where he stars for the USA will help him out. Oh boy. Oh boy. You be careful with those jokes. It’s coming up in a few months. I had him already before for four nations and worked out great. Okay, the Buffalo Ottawa game last night was going up against the Blue Jays. Uh, full credit to our panel who hung in there, did a terrific job, but tough hard hard to go against the Blue Jays right now, but they did it. Uh, and also the Buffalo Sabres did it big time against a team with no Brady Kachchuk. Yeah. Um, you know, the one concerning thing I’ll I’ll take from that is, you know, this Ottawa Senators team has just not gotten goalending and that’s scary cuz Valley has said his piece on all several times. If Mirror Linan’s not great, then boy, that’s a concern. Kachchuck’s out. You know, their their penalty kill is uh minus eight. They’ve given eight goals up on the PK already this year in Ottawa. Would you like to guess how many goals they’ve given up total in four games the Ottawa Senators? Got to be a high number. Uh it is 22. Oh man. 22 goals against in four games so far for the Ottawa Senators this season. So that’s uh that’s leaky, boys. That’s leaky. And it’s it’s not going to get any better with no Brady Kachchuk. My understanding is he had surgery this morning. Oh, really? Oh, really? Yeah. You heard it here first, folks. Well, I don’t know about that, but Well, you heard it here first. I’m not telling you the truth. I’m not giving you I’m giving you Doug Mccclelay. I’m just telling you what I’m hearing. Yeah. So, uh, he was in New York on a second opinion. So, chances are if the second opinion was like the first opinion, then he in fact had surgery in New York. So, that could be eight weeks for Brady Kachchuck. Yeah, they’re going to need some saves at some point. Yeah, that’s all of a sudden a month probably more realistic six weeks to eight weeks. Yeah. And you know, this Ottawa Senator’s team had had a long run of bad October and then being like spending the whole year trying to dig out of a hole. Last year was better. They can’t do it, man. The division is too good to be if they even are 500 at the end of this and they’re out of a playoff spot, they can be okay. Okay. But they can’t afford to fall much below that line. Yeah, that’s a I mean that if you’re thinking of one guy, if you’re power ranking the guys, you can’t lose if you’re the Ottawa Senators, number one at Freddy Kachchuck. He’s their whole thing. Your captain, he sets the tone. Like, yeah, I just that’s a brutal loss to start the year. When you look at that east, I think we all said prior to that that we do believe that it’ll kind of be the same cast of characters in terms of being at the top of the east with Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Carolina, Washington, but then tons of question marks. Yeah. Way more question marks in the East than we feel like in the West. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. You know, it’s funny. I was like, “Boy, the Pacific division is the worst division in hockey.” And then I looked at the Metro and I was like, “Gh, two pretty bad ones.” Yeah. That’s not pretty. Because you look at who’s leading the NHL right now if you sort the whole thing by points percentage. So, Carolina’s 3 and 0 and then it’s Detroit, Boston, Montreal. You know, those are teams that I don’t know that we predicted to be there along with Washington. Right now, Detroit sits at the very top. The team that you said stunk and a I do I do think I was a bit wrong, you know, because it would be easy to be like, give it time. They’re still bad. Whatever. I bought it. You just said it that particular day. I think you still think they stink. I’m still not ready to be like they’re good. I still don’t think they make playoffs. I think they finished with like 93 points or something. miss, but their D’s better than I thought they were cuz in the past they’ve been kind of old and sluggish. They got rid of some of that. These young kids, they’re mobile now. And you think that’s a big part today in the NHL? And mobility’s uh uh more than ever, especially the way Edson, Sandy, Blinka, Johansson, Bernard Docker, they move. It’s just it’s just the one or two guy if you’re lucky enough to have on the blue line that can kind of control pace of play and that Sandine Pelicus can be a star. Think so. I like I liked him in the two games against the Leafs. I thought he really was confident moves the puck and Edmond at 6’7 is also mean and there hasn’t been a mean 6’7 guy in the league since Charara unless you count Remy who to me is just I mean untethered. Yeah, you know he’s a little bit more wild but that Edmonson’s good. last night. Detroit uh with their third win over the Florida Panthers. Uh Florida of course down probably worse than any other team, right? When you consider Bararkov out. Yeah. Uh Kulakov was the latest guy to go down Kachchuck. And I think they can get carried so far with their culture or their team play or Babski hanging in there, but it’s going to be tough still. I think last night was another example of kind of Florida can be in there, hang in there, but there’s going to be some nights they just flat out lose because of injuries. They don’t have the top end guys cuz they are so solid all the way through from Bennett Marian to Verhaggy and Reinhardt the next line. Lundell’s line with Lorster Rainan like they’re solid all as they’ve ever been. They just don’t have those top end guys that break games open in the same way. So buddy, the Atlantic is going to be tight. If you were to say pick two teams who definitely will not win the Atlantic division this year, you know, whatever. It’s kind of hard. You take Buffalo and then you go I don’t know, Boston could make playoffs. Detroit could make playoffs. Montreal certainly could. Ottawa can. Tampa has been underwhelming, too. Yeah, they’re deep. Speaking of not so mobile, looking a little slower. All right, mobility doesn’t seem to be a problem with guys like Josh Morrisy in uh in Winnipeg. Let’s welcome in Sean Reynolds, Sports Night reporter, Hockey Night in Canada does it all on our show when it comes to Jets Talk. Sean, how are you, pal? Doing great, guys. How you doing? We are good. All right. So, give us a an overall feel and just just take us back, you know, from from last year and then the mindset going into this season where we saw a a team emerge as one of the best in the regular season. They won the president’s trophy. So, we’re we’re we’re beyond that now. They don’t have to win the president’s trophy because we’re all believing that even if they did, it doesn’t matter from April on. Is that the general feeling moving forward here in Winnipeg? Yeah, I I think so. The team itself uh they don’t get ahead of themselves. They’re not trying to solve that playoff problem um in October. Uh they know that uh that they need to get there in order to solve that problem. So, while you’ll see some teams will go out and they’ll have a good year like that and then they won’t quite get to where they wanted to get in the playoffs, you know, they’ll come back a little unmotivated is maybe not the right word, but you know, it can be hard when the problem you’re trying to solve is a problem you don’t get to try solving until April. Um, and and it can be hard to get motivated for for October. And the one thing that you find with the Winnipeg Jets is there’s just they’re so stuck to their system and so good at playing it. And that system’s the one that carried them to to, you know, the President’s Trophy last year. You just know with this team that they weren’t going to come out and they weren’t going to lose three straight games to start the year and they weren’t going to look like themselves. Like they just have picked up right where they left off. And the thing about the Jets and the system that they play and why they’re so good in the regular season is the system comes first. And so as long as you stay true to the system and play that system, you you may not be playing the best hockey of your career, but if you’re focused on that, you don’t need to play above that for the team to win. If you play the system, the Jets are going to win more often than they lose. If you play the system and then play above it like Mark Schiffley goes out and goes off like he does the other night, you’re gonna you’re gonna win games and you’re going to be a really really tough team to beat. So what I’m seeing right out the gate from the Winnipeg Jets is just that you can expect they’re going to be a really really tough team in the West just like they were last year. You can expect that when teams come rolling into Winnipeg or Winnipeg goes rolling into your barn, that team is in for a tough night of grinded out hockey where every time you have the puck, you have not one but two Winnipeg Jets players pressuring you. They’re not fun to play against. They take away time and space as good as any of the teams in the league. So, you’re going to have this team playing that. Um, and and and it it it is to the point of what you were bringing up before. I I don’t have any questions about the Winnipeg Jets. They’re going to be a good team. They’re going to be a top team in the West. The question becomes what happens to them in the to them in the playoffs and can they find a way to get above that. Uh just one of those questions that we we won’t be able to tackle that until April. Yeah, it’s crazy. And even looking at their schedule, they have eight games left in the month of October. One is against a playoff team and it’s the Minnesota Wild who were maybe 15th or 16th last year. So, by all means, we should expect them to be like last year where I think they started the year 306 and0 or I forget exactly what it had started last year, but like so what what puts them over the top is Taves look like someone who can be a difference maker once they get to the the games they care about? I mean, that’s what they’re hoping for, you know, and and he’s a really tricky one to figure out. They’ve said this, he’s said it, their general manager has said it. Like, he’s not going to be answering any of these questions until the end of the year. Like, I take a look at Jonathan TA right now and you see him. He’s a very solid NHL player. And but am I seeing those signs of that superstar that drag teams and put them over the top? If I’m being honest, I’m not seeing that yet. You’re seeing a guy who’s got a really high IQ. Uh, that’s obvious. Um, I’m seeing a guy who in the second game of the year, he started looking a little bit tired. So, that’s what you can expect from a guy who hasn’t played for two years and the league has only got faster. Um, but it it it’s still a question and it and he he’ll be the first one to say it. It’s a question of whether he’s going to be able to get to where he wants to go or be the player that he wants to be. But in the meantime, he doesn’t need to be because it’s like I said, he’s just playing the system and he’s doing a good job of playing that system and the Jets are going to win games. So the beauty of the Jets as it stands when they bring in new players is as long as everyone plays that system first that’s enough to win games it buys time for players to work on becoming the version of themselves that is going to help the Winnipeg Jets the most. So it’s a good situation for Jonathan Taz because the Jets are going to win a lot of games this year from their system. He doesn’t need to be a star. He’s trying to get his feet back underneath him. He’s got the whole year to do it and he’s not going to be put in a situation where by game 10 it’s like you know JT we need more out of you because we’re starting to fall behind the curve here. They’re going to be fine. He’s going to have time to find his game. Whether he does that’s the question that we won’t he he he won’t have answered until later in the year. You’re watching and listening to Sean Reynolds, Sportsnet reporter in Winnipeg for Hockey Night in Canada as well covering the Winnipeg Jets. Just to touch on that, you know, um, the other night watching the game and Taves played almost 20 minutes. I think he had a minute and a half more than Shaley that game. Now, are those are those good legitimate minutes that he’s earned, are they kind of given to him a little bit? I know Adam Lowry’s out. How much is that factored in? But to your point, if 10 or 15 games from now, you’re you’re going to ask him to give more. It’s like, I gave blood already in the first five games. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the the Lowry thing for sure has a lot to do with it. Lowry is really really the culture carrier on this team. And what you’d see a lot of times, the importance of him as a player was when the team because the Jets, the system I keep talking about that that makes them so good, it’s taxing. You got to put a lot into it. talked to Gus Nyquist um about the system and the new guys come in here and they’re like, “Wow, they’re asking a lot from you.” So, you have to throw a lot of effort into that system um to to make it work. Uh and a lot of times what Adam Lowry’s role is is when the team’s overall effort level and details are sliding, he goes out mi midame and establishes this shift where it’s like, “Guys, this is the blueprint. This is what we need to do. I’m going to show it to you on the ice here. I’m going to pin the other team down in their zone and just grind them out. Grind them out and then I’m going to get off the ice and I’ll have shown you this is what we need to do. So, he’s extremely important in that. But, I mean, what you’re seeing from uh it’s too early for Jonathan TA to have earned that ice time, I think. So, although you could say that he earned it in the preeason and he earned it, you know, in training camp, so he probably earned it here, but there’s a little bit of he’s earned it by being Jonathan Ta walking in here. So to a degree it is given to him a bit here, but it’s he’s earning it in the way that you talk about all those minutes he played. He doesn’t look out of place playing those minutes. So he’s going and he’s earning it. It’s one of the things that he’s made sure he wants to do here. He’s not trying to draw the focus in and be like, “Hey, JT’s here. This is JT’s team now.” He’s very much said, “This is a great team. Shifley is the guy. Connor’s the guy. Lowry’s the guy. Morris is the guy. Helluck’s the guy. I’m just one of the guys.” He’s doing a real good job of riding that line, but not disappearing into the shadows, like staying out in front enough to be like, “This is what Jonathan Taz can give you, but in the meantime, he’s going to earn his spot.” So, at every stage of his time with the Winnipeg Jets, he’s a player to me that is earning the opportunities that he’s been given. So, how do you assess this Winnipeg Jets decor? You know, Josh Morsy and Dlo uh you know, Samberg is hurt right now, but Pian is there. I I am curious kind of beneath those guys how you see them filling it out. Uh you know, we’ve seen these teams that win Stanley Cups are pretty solid in all three pairs. Are the Jets able to to do that? Yeah, I mean it nothing has really changed with them other than the fact that they come into this year with with uh Shen in their lineup which makes them a little bit deeper. The Jets do a really good job of I mean they’ve got Kale Kle playing for the Manitoba Moose right now who had a great camp and you know they do a really good job of identifying that sixth defenseman and then carrying like five of them right like you’ve got Colin Miller you’ve got Flurry you’ve got Logan Stanley so you’ve got different options of guys who are that bottom pairing guy who hey if it’s going to be a rugged night maybe we put Logan Stanley and hey If it’s a team that we need to get more shots from the point in, hey, we can put in Colin Miller. Uh Flurry is a guy who started as like the seventh or eighth defenseman last year and has really worked his way up to the point that when Samberg went down, he was the guy getting the opportunities on the second pairing. So, the Jets handle this by committee. Um the six defenseman is four or five different guys. Uh that’s how they’ve done this. You touched on Samberg. I’ I’d said it last year when he got injured. He to me is a real lynch pin, a hidden guy that the league doesn’t uh talk about enough how good he is defensively when he’s out. I I’d said it last year. I thought and Kyle Connor had been injured at some point. Some really big players had been injured. I thought Dylan Samberg last year being injured was going to be the most challenging injury for the Jets to face. And when he was gone, they had like a 0.55 points percentage. with him in the lineup last year was like point A, right? He’s a big body who snuffs out a lot of dangerous plays and is always used in in the situations where they need defense most. So, he’s a tough guy to get beyond. But, I mean, I haven’t even started talking about Josh Moresy, who’s a top five defenseman in the league and what he can do for you. The Jets are very capable on the back end. Uh, and the depth that I was talking about at the beginning, uh, just adds to that. Sean, is there is there an update on uh on on on the injuries uh particularly you mentioned earlier Lowry and skating? Is there a chance we could see him back uh uh early November, mid November skating, I imagine? Yeah. Yeah, he he’s been skating since the beginning. Like he hasn’t been in camp, but he’s been out skating on his own. Sounds like they’re very happy with his progress. Um, I think Samberg, I believe Samberg is skating, but not with a stick. He’s just kind of getting out there. Cole Perfetti on the ice as well. So, I I think these guys are all going to kind of come together right around the same time, you know, uh, early November kind of window is what I’m looking at. And then all of a sudden, you’re going to get all three of these guys in the lineup. And when you get Lowry in, you instantaneously, in my mind, get one of the toughest to play against third lines in the league. Uh right now the Jets although last game their depth woke up depth scoring uh one thing that you’re looking with Gus Nyquist uh and Jonathan Tay on that second line you’re trying to see if they can be a a a legitimate scoring second line that took a real hit when Cole Perfetti uh went out of the lineup. So when he gets back you’re going to see well maybe just maybe the Jets are going to be able to get some secondary scoring that they could really use. And again like I’d said Samberg is just going to shore up your defense and make you that much harder to play against. So, you know, if you’re the central division, I’m doing hockey night in Canada on Saturday, the Nashville Predators who are trying to turn things around and getting a much better start to this season than the 0 and5 start that they had last year. You got to be taking these points off the Jets at this point because come November when all those guys come back, that really really solidifies their lineup. So, now’s the time to make hay against the Jets if you need to. So, it doesn’t seem like the Jets are, and I think you even said this last year around the deadline, a team that’s like, “We’re going to add something later on because earlier in the show I mentioned I could see the Jets doing that, but now that I think about it, like they probably aren’t eager to add a whole lot, right? They’re their team chemistry, their team unity. They they don’t really need the the hired gun. Well, I mean, that’s a philosophical thing to a philosophical thing because last year, uh, you know, the Jets went in and they prioritized like not rocking the boat, right? Like, let’s keep our chemistry. Our chemistry is what got us here. Um, and I’ve said this before, I I’ve mentioned it a bunch of times. The Jets system is what makes them so ferocious to play against. But I think you got to be careful being a system team, system first team when you go to the playoffs because now you’ve got coaches in a series trying to crack that system and they’ve got upwards of seven games to do it. And last year against St. Louis who was essentially the 16th seed, the last team in the playoffs against the Jets who were the number one team. And the Jets needed miracles like gifts from the hockey gods to get past the St. Louis Blues because when he dug into them, Monty cracked that Jet system, right? So, what how do you get beyond that where we’ve got a great system? Well, you add really good players who can jump up in key moments and win you games and I don’t think the Jets had enough of those guys last year and that’s why they barely make it out of the first round and don’t make it out of the second round. So, it’s my opinion and listen, Kevin Cheveloff does a great job. I maybe he wouldn’t agree with me in this, but I’ll say this. Last year, they decided to just stay with what they had, and what they had clearly wasn’t enough. So, it’s a to me there’s an argument to be had there. Did they need to be more active at the trade deadline? Do they need to get more WOW type players who can take over games? If they had had them last year, I think there’s a good chance they would have got past the the Dallas Stars. Just remember, we had this conversation October 16th for the first time. Yeah. when it comes up in Mark. Uh, another guy that cracked the Jets system is Kyle Connor. And I I say that, Sean, because there there was always this belief in certain markets, including Winnipeg. Again, I’m not saying that Shiffley and and Hellabu’s contracts weren’t uh you know maybe comparable or fair market at the time, but there was a sense always that okay, we we just do this this way in Winnipeg and you got to remember it’s Winnipeg, you know, like other markets can say at times. And then this guy came along and said, “Hey, here’s the number. 12 million and you can do say whatever you want about bonuses, but this is what I want in a signing bonus. And he kind of just threw everything that they’ve kind of structured in the past to say, “Yeah, we want you. We don’t want to lose you and we’re willing to do whatever it takes to keep you.” And he got an incredible market value with Marner and Rantin. And my question to you is, is that the start of a different philosophy now for the Winnipeg Jets moving forward that they’ll just do whatever it takes right now to try to win? And whatever was said in the past about certain structures and philosophies, we know we’re up against a challenge here to get players here. When a guy like Kyle wants to stay, we’re just going to make it happen. Well, it’s it’s crazy that we frame it that way because I take a look at at Kyle Connor and I think he got market value and we’re we’re talking about this like, oh my god, it’s a change in philosophy for the Jets that they’re going to lock their players down to market value. No Winnipeg tax, no Canada tax. We’re just going to pay these guys what the market dictates rather than getting them for millions less. Like Josh Morsy is is playing on like a discount contract for where he is. 61. Is that what Morsy is? 6-1. Yeah. But I mean, like you’re talking about a top five defenseman in the league now. I know he signed that a long time ago, but Mark Schiffley, I I didn’t think that was market value at the time. I couldn’t believe he signed for what he did. Connor Halabuk, I mean, he he signs a deal and immediately afterwards, all these teams start locking down their number one goalender to the exact same deal that the the eventual heart trophy winner had, the guy who is probably the best goalie in the game and and everyone’s just signing that deal because it’s such a sweetheart deal. Other teams think for the Jets that we can match that those guys with that. like this to me, if this is a change in philosophy for the Jets, it’s that we’re actually paying market value rather than taking millions of dollars off these guys. But he got he got a bonus structure that nobody else could could to to get in the past. That’s a change in philosophy. But we would look at that bonus structure in every other market and think that’s just normal. That’s like what what happened here is the Jets signed a normal contract that other teams sign all the time. And yes, I know Ranton and and Marner were signed them, but to me the market shifted strongly since the since the summer when those guys signed their deals to now. I think you’re going to look at uh based on where the market’s going, you’re going to look at Kyle Connor’s deal by I’ve said this, by next year, you’re going to look at his deal and think the Jets did great on that deal. Um, I don’t know how, well, I do know how they do it because I’ve talked to Connor Hellbook about it. I’ve talked to Mark Schiffley. I’ve talked about uh I talked to Kyle Connor about it. They say it all starts with the owner, Mark Chipman. The culture that he’s he’s managed to set there. Those players buy into it. They buy into what they’re doing there. They feel that as long as they’re in Winnipeg, they’ve got an ownership group that is going to give them everything they need to try and compete. And the other part about it is they’ve said to those guys, you’re our core. You’re our guys, right? Like think about all these, you know, all the stuff that happened in Toronto and the kind of up and down with Marner, these great players who everyone knows great, but there’s always these little fires around these guys and there’s always these controversies. That doesn’t happen in Winnipeg. Winnipeg walks in says Shif, you’re our guy. The rest of the league may talk about this and say this and you’re not going to make, you know, team Canada and whatever, but you’re our guy. Connor Hellbuk, we’ve got time. you’re going to be our guy. And all those guys just ride that and become the best version of the player that they could possibly become. They understand that. They like that culture. They feel they’re the players they are because of that culture. And that’s why they’re willing to lock down long-term in that culture, even if it means leaving a little bit of money on the table. Yeah, that’s good stuff. Sean, hey. Uh, I wanted to ask you a question about a quote I saw today that I’m you you may have seen is from Billy Hyola, who for years was kind of the next Dman for the Jets, and I know a lot of the analytics community liked him a lot more than some of the guys they’ve kept around. Hinola asked about being placed on waiverss for the first time. He said, “To be honest, I kind of wish someone would have picked me up, but that didn’t happen, and I’m here happy to play.” Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the happy to play on that. Yeah. I mean I Nick honestly would is that not what every single person in that situation would have been thinking like is this alternative a player yeah I don’t know but you’re still in your organization you’re like I kind of wish I was anywhere else but you know is that yeah I I answer the writing’s been on the wall I think for Billy Hanel like I was asked early in camp and I said I fully expected him to to be placed on waiverss like I said that at the very beginning this to me is just people speaking reality like Villia Han knows that the path to a job in the NHL kind of doesn’t exist here and he wants to play in the NHL and and I will say this I do think there’s been a little bit of a shift in philosophy and I believe it’s Scott Arneal who’s made it happen uh when Nick Eers went to unrestricted free agency last year you didn’t hear Scott Arneal saying you know oh well he should have done this he should have done that he said listen he’s a player he earned the right to be a UFA I wish him all the best why is he thinking that Scott Arneal was a player for a number of He knows what it’s like to be the player. And I do think in the past the Jets have done things that may have been somewhat detrimental to some of their guys coming up. Remember Sammy Niku, remember Nick Patan, all guys who were in the exact same situation that everyone thought they were going to blow up as NHLers and then they never really got that opportunity. They ended up sitting in the press box for a long time. it was detrimental to their development and the Jets would hold on to those guys because they didn’t want to put them on waiverss and lose them for nothing. I think there’s been a shift here and maybe it’s as simple as the Jets now have so much organizational depth that they don’t need to worry about losing guys like that. But I honestly think that this is a Scott Arneal thing saying let’s put these guys on waiverss and give them their opportunity to chase their dreams elsewhere in the league if they do get claimed. David Gustoson’s another guy I’m surprised he didn’t get claimed. Like don’t tell me that guy who’s a super super solid serviceable fourthliner. Couldn’t have helped a team like, you know, the Chicago Blackhawks or go around the league. There’s not a team that I don’t think couldn’t plug David Gustoson in and him be a very serviceable fourth liner. I think that the the philosophy has shifted where the Winnipeg Jets now are saying to players, you know what, you’re not necessarily in our plans. So, we’re hoping for you to go out and chase your dreams somewhere else. It just didn’t happen in both these cases. I just think this is everyone’s being honest with each other and Billy Han is being honest. I don’t think the Manitoba Moose or the Winnipeg Jets take that as an insult. Logan Stanley, if you remember, just a couple years ago was in the same situation, not liking where he was and he, you know, basically was asking for a trade. they’ve found a way to figure that out. I think like a healthy family um in Winnipeg the the family members don’t have issues with putting their issues on the table. That’s way they get talked about. I think it’s a good thing. I don’t see it as a bad thing. Sean, just one more for me. Uh, a lot of distance now between the last time Gary Bentman went into Winnipeg and and basically wanted to talk to either the the fan base or the corporate world in in Winnipeg. Since then, I think things have gotten better, right? Attendance is probably way up. The team’s winning, of course, which helps and is the ultimate uh reason why anyone’s doing anything is to get them in a position to compete for the Stanley Cup. Um, but did it it did work, didn’t it? Yeah. Yeah. And listen, I was on this show, I think, from the outside when the fans aren’t showing up. The the it’s easy to point the finger at the fans. And I kind of feel like that happened. The organization said to the fans like, “You got to show up or this isn’t going to work.” Talking with the fans, like, I think the fans in Winnipeg are unimpeachable. They got a team in 2011 and sold out that building for over a decade. didn’t matter if the team was good or bad. Stunk or were brilliant. They showed up and they showed up in full force. And Mark Chipman finally said it. Uh the second time he kind of went national with this story was that the Jets had been like not a service organization. They just sold the tickets and they never kind of provided people with service. They never had to because when those people stopped buying tickets, there was a lineup thousands deep of people to get into that building. And I think what happened is it created a culture where people were just buying the tickets and not really getting service back for it and it started fraying some edges and pissing some people off and and those people started voting with their wallets, right? They started saying, “We’re upset. We’re not showing up.” So to me, this this wasn’t a we need a good hockey team to to win to sell tickets here. It was some fans felt like they their their feelings were hurt. I think the the organization didn’t acknowledge that right away and they slowly did. And if you remember when Bman came in, he had a little bit of a sitdown. It was it felt to me like a parent taking the two kids and working it out. And that was between the Jets organization and their fans. And what I remember him saying, the way I perceived it was he said like both sides need to come to the table and figure this out. And I think they did. I think the Jets since then have treated their fans, you know, they’ve elevated the experience for them. They’ve turned their focus to providing for those fans and showing those fans how thankful they are for them showing up. So, this to me isn’t quite simply the Jets started winning and the fans came back. In my opinion, the fans never left because there were losses or things piling up. They didn’t like how they were being treated and how they spent their money. The organization started treating their fans better and now the fans are back. That’s how it should be. Great stuff. Yeah, great great insight on that, Sean. Really appreciate it. And uh like everybody else, we want Winnipeg hockey for many, many moons. Need that Jets talk. Appreciate it. Winnipeg Jets and the Philadelphia Flyers tonight uh as they try to get two points on the road. Thanks for doing this, Sean. Thanks for having me. Love being here, guys. Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. Sean Reynolds, Sports Net Hockey Night in Canada. Good as it gets. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think uh I was really happy to see that it wasn’t a drawn out affair for for Kyle Connor. And yes, I know it’s market value and but Kyle still it just seemed it was a lot easier for a lot of people to believe that either, you know, Rantin or Mner had 12 million. But Connor is one of those guys where if Winnipeg wanted to make it tough for him to get his money, they could have and they chose not to. Well, I I think, you know, to what you’re speaking about, at some point, you have you got to keep your guys. And that’s great that you can make up these arbitrary rules. Our organization doesn’t do that. And the player goes, “Okay, then I’ll waver a different organization that does.” And you go, “Okay, damn.” And then and then you know if you’re Kevin Shival Day Offer or Mark Chipman and everybody else like okay how do we replace him right? Draft a kid and wait five years who’s going to score 40 times. There’s no Kyle Connor out there and there’s not. So you keep Kyle Connor and in a year you have a chance to win a cup to keep everyone happy. It’s called leverage. Leverage business. I think the most famous sort of you can’t make more whatever was the Bruins remember forever. Was it Berseron or was it Char and even uh was it Colorado for a bit with McKinnon maybe? Yeah, Berseron was the guy. You can’t make more than Berseron. Yeah. And then Carly M. Charlie M’s like how about I do like okay 9 million we’ll do it I guess if that keeps you on the team you know but just because Connor sorry Conor McDavid and Ranton and Marner are all under market value doesn’t mean Kyle like he’s right Kyle Connor is market value right. It’s a guy that scores however many goals in the league. He’s an elite player. Like that’s But just all those other guys make these guys look bad, right? Like it’s just when Capri I mean is Capri? Very much in that class. I don’t have them any different. Like Capriov is a lot. It’s a crazy amount of money. But like in a year and a half we’ll be like, “Yep, there’s guys making that’s market value.” Yeah. And if Capriov’s in the heart trophy race for multiple years, it’s, you know, it’s a lot, but it’s not. I don’t know. All right, quick break to the break. All right, plenty still on the Real Kipper and Bourne show, including a rookie that’s leading his team in minutes played. I know who it is. Good thing or not. I want to get better not be Connor Baddard all over again. I’m I’m ready to get into it with my buddy JB when we return to Real Kipper Bourne. [Music] Welcome back to the program. Nick Gibrios, Justin Bourne, Sammy McKe. Uh before we get into your New York Islanders, uh breaking news was today, Carter Hart, Vancouver or uh uh Vegas. I knew it started with a V somewhere. Windex is two V’s taped together. Can’t hear you, pal. Uh Carter Hart has now officially joined the Vegas Golden Knights and uh nothing official on any contract. Uh but it will start out as we know know them as PTO’s. Your thoughts? So he’ll go play for Henderson, is that right? in the American League on a PTO and then I don’t I I don’t know how it works to be quite honest with you in terms of uh he’s not eligible with the National Hockey League to play till December 1st. So I I don’t I don’t know whether or not that means that he’d be able to play in the American Hockey League, but he is not officially on a registered contract with the NHL. So, I I don’t know. I I don’t I can’t see it. I I’ll say this. I’ll say a It’s crummy that Vegas threw Mark Lazarus out of the building for asking questions about the Hockey Canada 5 just a few weeks ago because he was inquiring about this. So, that’s crummy to start. You know, I think what Carter Hart did something, you know, whatever he did, um, you know, people have various opinions on and for Vegas, they’ve decided that people make mistakes and can learn from it and get better, they’re going to give him an opportunity. He has been cleared by the legal system to work. Uh, and if NHL teams see a guy who can work and help them, they’re within the rights to do that. But they’re also within the rights of getting what’s coming to them. And some fans are not going to be happy about the decision they’ve made. Well, and that I mean that’s perfectly said. I I I just find this such a hard topic to talk about because there’s two sides of it. Like you said, court of law, you know, they they had their day in court and eligible to work again, but there’s a lot of people that this is a really hard conversation to have and give them, you know, some pause, which is fair. I I really don’t this is a really hard one for me to talk about. I perspective. I don’t even know if he’s good. I mean, yeah. Who knows? Is it worth the risk? Well, that’s I think the ultimate question. Like you could say no, he doesn’t deserve to be in the league. Others people can say yes, they deserve they can make their I don’t care about that. To me, it’s just about now. uh whether or not they can get him to the point where he’s actually playing a game because Mloud went through something similar with Carolina and they pulled the rug out from underneath him on what was expected to be, you know, a partnership or a merger or contract from Mloud only because of the backlash. Is that part of the reason why you put a guy on a PTO cuz you feel the room out. You understand that you have season ticket holders. Do you give them a a chance to vent or or be to the point where you know they have to make a hard decision as well? Is that is that is that how you see this thing falling out in the next 10 days? I definitely think what Vegas is doing right now is with PR management in mind. They put out a statement, never a good sign when you sign a player if you need a PR statement, but they put out a statement about, you know, kind of what’s going on. Um, they did the P PTO thing rather than committing multiple years. They did it to, you know, six weeks before there’s a potential game. I think Vegas is hoping that they kind of throw these things up in the air and everyone takes all shots at them and shoots all their bullets and then by the time it’s December, they’re like, “All right, now we’re going to do the thing we wanted to do.” I there’s definitely a lot of strategy on Vegas’s part about how to manage the public backlash. Definitely, they’re going to try to hide this for a while and then when he comes up, they’ll deal with whatever they had to deal with then and then they’ll try to they’ll just hope that it goes away. And I’m not sure it will. Like I I really don’t know. I mean, time heals all wounds. Like there’s a million things that happen every day in the internet and in the news world. It just everything’s moves quickly and maybe they think that it’s going to move past. I don’t know what the reaction will be afterwards, like a week later, a month later. I I don’t I don’t our own fans boo the guy. I don’t know. I have no idea. But I don’t think anybody does, Sam. Anybody you’ve been around the game for a very long time, you just you don’t know. I will say this, there is a difference in every major social political issue between real life and online. That to me, I experience a divide in how online I’m I do get some things retweeted in my feed. Some people think you shouldn’t be able to play. This is bad from Vegas’s in person. I am running into very few people. This is just honest truth. I’m running into very few people who think he shouldn’t have an opportunity to go ahead. So I think that seems to be the sentiment I encounter most is like maybe not a great guy. Great guys in the league. There’s that part of it and then there’s one more important season ticket holders. How does that affect my bottom line? Yeah. And that ultimately is what every owner has to deal with. I can live with I could live with some some bad tweets. Yeah. You know, you rip them all day long. Is it costing me money now? Mhm. And Carolina said, “Yes, we we cloud’s in Russia now playing because that owner said yes, that affects my bottom line.” Every team in the NHL said that, not just Carolina. Every team said, “That’s a pretty good hockey player.” He what he did was too egregious for me to have him on on our team. Do you think that Vegas would have gone through a similar process with their season ticket holders and trying to figure out like where this is going to be at? Like I’m sure they’ve had to have, right? Or a good question. Or is this PTO sort of like we’ll do this and then and then we’ll and then we’ll see what happens with our people and then we can go from there. Yeah. I I don’t know whether Yeah. No. Would would would ahead of it be a good thing or not? I have no idea. I mean, they’re going to have to face all of this, right? They’re going to have to answer the questions. Hart’s going to have to starting today officially with their release, their statement. Yeah. So, you know, well, I I guess we’ll get a better sense for it. I think he’ll play for them in six weeks. So do I. And I I don’t know. I I don’t necessarily feel awesome about it, but it is what it is. Yeah, I’m with you. Yeah. He’s cleared to play and he can help a team, he’ll play. Yeah, goalies are having a tough time these days in the NHL. Uh and and teams are desperate. I think that’s pretty clear with because he’s the only guy that anyone’s been willing to even take a bit of the hit on the the chin with because of him, right? Because he’s a goalie. And there’s that’s a great point. And we should note too, Sam, that there are reports that he is committed to a 2-year 1.8 million per year deal. Yeah, this is a PTO, but like they that’s how eager they are to get a goalie. Like they’ve there’s a contract. It’s in the drawer, but it’s unless it’s signed, sealed, and delivered, it’s it doesn’t mean that it’s a foregone conclusion. I think they’re still they got to get through a bit of a a period here. And then if they feel like it’s it’s not hurt the ball club in every which way, including a distraction, including uh season ticket holders, the bottom line, then that two-year deal will come out. And uh you know they don’t have to you know the other thing too is you don’t you don’t announce it or sign it now because you want to take it the cap hit. Oh yeah. Yeah. To set down down the road. That’s what this is. That’s what this is. Yeah. Of course it is. It’s don’t put it on the cap till you have put it on the cap until you know a day before he’s eligible. Yeah. Okay. And then how much money does Aiden Hill make? I have such answers. I need to click some buttons first because you know what I’m thinking about right now. Aiden Hill makes uh 6.25 million per season until 2031. Well, you got your first uh playoff loophole guy right there. Okay. Oh, yeah. All right. Yeah, he’s on the cap, but he’s in the press box, so it’s not in your playoff cap. Bingo. Well, uh, anyway, talk to I should probably I probably should have mentioned that to you guys right out of Could have mentioned that earlier there, big guy. Wanted to get your thoughts on a few other things. Okay, speaking of uh, we got a minute for this desperate a desperate league in the goalending department. Okay. What What’s with your New York Islanders asking a a kid to play 25 minutes some nights? You put your best players on the ice. That’s it. He’s their best player immediately. His last two games, ice time, 2604, 2635. Oh my god. 18 years old. Just turned 18. 26 is wild. He turned 18 in September. This guy is going to be a star. There’s no question about that. He’s He’s good now. No question about that. When I see those minutes, it doesn’t tell me how great he is. It tells me how desperate the New York Islanders are. But you know what the worst part about that Kip? Their D are good. They’ve got Pel and Pock and Mayfield and Romanov and D’Angelo’s on PB1. Like it’s not a bad decor. I just think it’s not right. It’s just not right. Develop the kid. Bring him along. But and and here’s the worst part. You haven’t even won a game yet. Start it. playing against McDavid tonight. Islanders 26 minutes again against McDavid. They Yeah, they uh may retroactively earn the first overall pick. Our thanks to Shawn Reynolds covering the Winnipeg Jets. Still plenty more as we kick it into the Leaf Hour edition on the Real Kipper and Bourne show where we’ll welcome in Dave Maloney, MSG Network hockey analyst. We tee up the New York Rangers and the Toronto Maple Leafs next when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne. [Music] It’s the leap hour edition of our real Kipper and Bourne show. We are live on Sportset 360, Sportsnet 590, The Fan in Toronto and streaming as always on Sportsnet Plus. And you can always catch us on Spotify, Apple, and YouTube when you don’t catch us live. This hour of real kipper and born brought to you by bet365 as the Toronto Maple Leafs gets set to host an all original matchup with the New York Rangers. Thanks. Neander skate today. Uh maintenance or whatever content creator meeting for his YouTube channel. Uh yeah, he’s getting ready because the puppy chow for the He’s getting ready because he could become the fifth Maple Leaf player to record three three-point games through the first five games of the season. I knew you were going to I put that in there to piss him off. I almost I almost read it, too. It’s actually the most ridiculous stat you’ve ever put in here. I knew it would piss off if he gets a three-point game. But he is the only Maple Leaf in history to do that and still be asked to do more in the first few games of the NHL season. There’s a good article up on Sportsnet right now uh on Knander by Adam Vinan and it’s about Knander’s slow start to the season. Last game he was good. So three bad games. He He’s so good that he’s the only one that could he’s very few guys that I guess get to a level where like you could just freaking turn the switch on and dominate. Yeah. Very impressive. Dominate. Like he’s so skilled. It It’s so easy to him. And I think that’s what at times can be the most frustrating thing is that we all know you can sit on the bench and and just go out there and do whatever you want. I think it looks like that. I don’t think he can. No, I think he can. You think so? I just think of every mentality. It’s just I think it’s just in his mind where if it’s not happening then it’s like what whatever’s left on my shift 20 seconds 15 seconds if I stay out there longer 30 seconds. It’s do I want to salvage anything left in this shift or do I just go to the bench and wait for my next one and then then kick it up. Yeah, he does have the most definitive line changes sometimes where he’ll be like, “That’s enough. It seems like when he can’t get to it, he’s not going to push to get to it.” He was four scoring chances last game, up from one per game in the first three. Yeah. All the numbers went up. All right, so the New York Rangers in town, and a little later on, uh, we’re going to talk to Dave Maloney from MSG Network. We’ll get a feel for what has to be the most frustrated team in the league right now where they started out with no goals in three games on home ice. Never been done before. Never will be done ever again. Oh, you don’t think so? Calling your shot, dude. Do you know what the odds are? That off. I not good. Like, come on. Yeah, the previous record was uh actually not three complete games but like a similar amount of time in the 19 I don’t know 20s or something. So this is very rare and they have talent on their team. So I expect them yes to figure it out. Frustrated team, motivated team. Leafs are in for a good game tonight. Should be a lot of fun. Um, yesterday we did a little bit of a chat about the lack of response for East Cowan getting pile drived into the post by Whislat Wise. I don’t remember. Did we talk about that? We had a little conversation about it. Something tells me it may have found its way back to the Toronto Maple because it was a bit of a conversation today at practice. Um, Matthews talked about it. You want to hear Matthew’s thoughts on it? Love to. Okay, let’s play uh Matthew’s clip on there, Derek. good. I mean, um, you know, he’s a smaller guy, but he’s not afraid to go in those dirty areas, obviously. Uh, you know, took a couple um I mean, kind of cheap hits, the one going to the net. Um, stuff like that. But, I mean, he’s he’s strong. Like, I think he’s deceptively a lot stronger than he maybe looks uh at times, but um yeah, I think he’s handled it really well. I think he understands kind of the nature of, you know, moving up and playing at this level. There’s obviously a lot of big guys out there, strong men, and um you got to protect yourself, and I think he does a good job of that. You’re on your own, fella. Yeah, there’s not there’s not too much. We we got to do a better job of telling people to not do that anymore. He’s he’s taking a bunch of cheap hits and he’s going to continue to. Yeah, he’s stronger. He looks Listen, you you made the point the other day, okay, that’s that’s not him. It doesn’t come naturally to Austin. even the reactions even a day later like what would you are you disappointed with those comments you just had yeah you know Kip it’s funny right because I really pride myself on trying to be like logical and there are things that matter more than punching guys after the whistle and sometimes we get like laser focused on no no they need to do more of the punching it’s like no maybe they need to break the puck out better then you win the game and then never but I will today. I do think that this team for years has come up short in the department of you don’t mess with our team. We won’t be pushed around. We protect each other. We have each other’s back. So, yeah, like I’d love to hear it. However, unlike you, I’m not surprised. I just like accept who they are now. But yes, I’d love to hear him come out and be like I, you know, in retrospect, it would have been nice if you know Chris Tanv had punched him in the mouth or if McCabe had grabbed him or maybe next time we should. I don’t know. And There’s a pass in October, right? No. Yeah, I now is the time where you should do it. But but no, no, no. Because let’s be honest, it didn’t that that topic of conversation on Cowan didn’t come up after the game. Probably didn’t come up on morning shows. We bring it up and then it goes back. it goes back to them and then it becomes a and I’m not sitting here patting ourselves on the back, but I’m saying where where is the rest of the feel for that in October because I’m telling you if they would have lost game one to the Florida Panthers, that would have been the hottest topic of conversation 24 hours later. See, I’m flipped on this cuz I see I saw people being like, “If that was game seven, you sure would have liked to see him stand up.” What are you talking about? It’s game seven. That’s when you need to be on the power play. That’s when you don’t need to send stupid messages. Game seven, it never happens. Game one, it does say, “I don’t care if we talking about game one. I’m not talking about game seven. I’m talking about game one.” Sure. Game one. Yeah. Game one. Game one. It would have been a hot button. It also was Nashville, too. So, is it like, “Yeah, maybe we don’t need to do it against Nashville.” It just feels like the perfect time to be like, “We’re different now.” See, I’m not overly disappointed in in Austin because I I don’t think it’s in and Sam made this point. It’s just not him. It’s not his makeup. It’s not the way he was raised in Arizona. So, how can you how can you get blood out of a stone? And also, I would I would present you the Ottawa Senators whose captain just responded to something and now is out for eight weeks with wrist surgery. So, there’s a if I mean that comes more natural to him. He’s a bit of a a mutant, but when you have your best players responding to these certain things, they put themselves in harm’s way, but I still think N could have done something. Anyway, there’s guys on the roster for sure. Uh I’m more interested to go to the coach. The coach uh addressed the same issue uh as on potentially sticking up for Cowan. Let’s play that clip two, please. Well, I think they’ll figure it out and handle the whatever the situation needs to be handled. At the same time, we got a power play on the one. So, you can’t react to that. I think it’s important. You got to stay disciplined. All scenarios are different when it comes to that. Um, our team, I’m not too worried about it. I think our team’s going to stand up for each other and get in there. I know they are. They did it last year. I expect to do the same. But at the same time, you know, it’s situational for me. We got a power play out of it. Yep. you know, um, power plays jobs to make him pay. No argument there, but it keeps situational till the game ends. The game was long decided before the game was over. Mhm. So, there was plenty of like the saying goes, we have long memories. We can have we can we we can go back and revisit that long after that the second after it happened that I just didn’t see it. I saw it I saw the rest of the game as if it never happened at all and that can’t happen. Yeah. I think there’s a chance that they didn’t think it was that bad. Oh my gosh. All right. I mean, I watched the game in real time and I watched the hit and I was, you know, I was like, “Yeah, I wasn’t like, “Oh my god.” The good thing is shot. It looked to me, you know what I thought at the time? If I’m being honest, Cowan looked like someone who could be pushed over. That was my first thought rather than someone who could take a shoulder from That was my first thought. I was like, “God, I don’t know if he’s strong enough.” Again, I don’t I I don’t even care if it was really vicious or just a little vicious. It’s about the message that you want to send Nashville and the rest of the league that if there is even a grayer, I don’t even care. But just just know that if you touch them a little or you touch them a lot that you better get your head up because we’re we’re we’re right here. But here here’s the good news and and coach Bruy just touched on it there that it’s early enough in the season that if they kind of slept on it a little bit now’s the time moving forward here. There’s we just started here. I can tell you if something greasy happens tonight. Yeah. They’ll be like everyone go like it’ll be over compensation tonight 100%. Good. Is Ree playing it tonight? I got I got What are the odds? 50% chance Ben W gets in a fight tonight. Yeah. You know, like just one of those guys who’s like, let’s get her greasy here. Part of my job. Good. Yeah. All it took was our show. We get fighting assists now. All right. Uh where else you want to go? So, I looked at a bunch of Leafs data through uh four games and I thought I could give you a useful or useless. M the team is in the bottom half of the league in zone time the worst at creating cycle chances and third worst in rebound chances through through through four games. Is that anything? Is that Oh my gosh. That’s the whole game. Okay, that’s as useful as you can have because it matches what I’ve seen so far. You know, I was thinking about why Say those three again, Bourney. So, they’re in the bottom half of the league in zone time, offensive zone time, and then third worst in rebound chances, worst in cycle chances. Oh. However, in overall like chances, they they still are top 10 because they get rush chances, they get, you know, stuff off broken plays, all that. So, I was thinking about their roster and why why are they so bad at zone time? Two years in a row, they never have the puck in the ozone. Here’s my theory, if you care to hear it. I do. They got a bunch of guys who love to shoot it as soon as they touch it. It gets near Robertson’s stick. He shoots it. Matthew shoots it. Tavvar shoots it as soon as he touches it. And then if it gets near Doy or Machelli stick, those type of guys, they try to make they force a sauce through skates or whatever. They’re immediately trying to create a grade A. There’s just a lot of guys who get rid of the puck. Who holds on to the puck in this lineup? Good question. Nick Wah might, but we haven’t seen it yet. Yeah, N could, but they don’t have a bunch of guys that do that. You watch I think the best team and for obvious reasons they’ve won the Stanley Cup twice, but every time there was a dump in in big games during the playoffs for Florida, they got the puck back. They got Yeah. And if there was a 50/50, it became 9010 real quick in favor of the Florida Panthers. And I you don’t see the same thing. Like sometimes you’ll watch Matthew N and he likes to dump and chase. Uh, but often in my even in my experience as a as a for checker in the NHL, like I I need the second guy to be on top of that puck. Your job is to stop the break. I can’t dump it in. If I’m Matthew N. I cannot dump it in three feet into the the the red line and think I’m going to get it back, right? You need someone with you. They’re too good. Yeah. The the mobility in the NHL right now on the blue line has never been better. Yeah. So, where do I think I’m going to dump in and chase my own puck? Where’s that second guy? And and then that’s Yeah. That’s retrieving the puck and starting your cycle, which they don’t. So, it’s funny you say that because they actually last year by stats created four check chances at a high rate. Like when they would actually get to the puck, they quickly could attack. But they don’t get it and start the cycle. Get it and wear the other team down. get it and do those sort of like things that again wear teams down. So late in the playoff series D are like god we’ve been on our own end chasing guys this whole series. It’s not really what they do. Lorent Wah n there are some guys who can do it but I think Matthews could hang on to it more. Knander can hang on to it more. I know it’s a pretty small sample. Clearly, it’s only four games, but the cycle chance is a thing that and rebound chances, for example, those are things that with the biggest roster in the league, you would expect them to be high in. No, like where rebound chance is a great example where it’s like a guy gets to the front of the net and he’s, you know, like bowling his way like a Dakota Joshua gets the front of the net bowling his way to there. Wah Matthews even, not so much Lorent, but he can a little bit. I would like to see that go up significantly. Both of those because I look at those as things that the Leafs identity are supposed to be, you know, size. Totally. The other thing we cannot forget here is just in terms of the message from the head coach and then ultimately what you do on the ice. So, it looks to me sometimes that they’re doing what they’re asked to do and that’s get pucks to the net. Yeah, obviously I don’t know whether or not there’s a mandate at any angle to get it for just get it into a goalie. Get it hates it, too, cuz you create hot goalies. Get get uh get second and third chances off of rebounds, but they look to me like they’re trying to they’re they’re trying to do what is asked. So, is it upon now Craig Buby to to add some layers and to pick and choose when he wants pucks to the net or when he wants to cycle or when it support or get it back to the blue line. There has to be some variables involved here. When I was with Leaf Marley’s organization, it was kind of the early days of this wave of players that are the team now. And they had Daryl Belelffle who was a skilled coach and uh Mike Ellis and some Scott Peller and some of these guys and their whole thing was trying to change the shape of the defense and you do that by changing sides right the D then the D who’s in front of the net has to rotate to the corner the other has to rotate winger has to switch from the middle everyone switches when you change sides and so they would do open corner play and try to go back and forth to mess the defense up right it takes time and patience and planning I agree with you that it feels like right now it’s like shoot the puck Shoot the puck. You get it? Shoot the puck. And uh go north. Go north. Yeah. As far as the Leafs blue line is concerned also mobility and being able to pick a puck off the wall, take it to the middle, switch sides. Right now, I’d like to see more mobility there outside of what we believe is Morgan Riley, who’s supposed to be the most gifted out of all of them. It drops. It drops. Like I see a lot of guys north, south, straight lines. Obviously, defense is paramount for this blue line. Sorting things out in your own zone, blocking shots, getting pucks out. That’s the strength of this blue line as far as the offense that you’re concerned to cycle with them. And you know it’s it’s not not a great swift blue line that can can go east. Still want to see them though get involved more jump off. Well McCabe can uh Oel can Benois Carlo Tanv not so much. Benois has done it a couple times. Ben actually likes to. I shouldn’t say that. Ben can do it. Yeah. Lafleur. Lafleur. He he goes up the ice a little bit. You’re like okay easy. If they can, we’re not seeing it. Yeah. Yes. Well, if they can, we’ve never seen it from Tanv, Carlo. Well, Tanv’s never doing it and Carlo’s never doing it. Those are two guys that you’re just never asking that from, but every Decor has that, right? You’re just you’re just kind of hoping the guys who are mobile can do it. Like Riley and Oliver Larson, who has really big offensive pedigree. He was a like a 60point guy in in Phoenix, and that’s a long time ago, but he has that in him. Yeah. And he looked good against the Nashville who, you know, nobody is. He’s off to a good start offensively this year. So, uh, should we get a comment on the New York Rangers? Sure. What are we in for here? Craig Buby on the New York Rangers tonight, especially coming off a very tough home stand. Well, they got a lot of good players. We all know that. They’re goending strong obviously. Um, they got high skill and they make plays. um you know so that’s the biggest threat that I see with them now a new coach a little bit new style you know new identity how he wants them to play they’re going to be I think uh more aggressive team in general under Sully they’re going to they’re going to come at you harder um but you know at the same time our game we just got to we got to focus on our game and and take care of business Like, you know, we talk about checking. We got to check tonight. If you check and do a good job, we’ll get offense, but we got to make sure we’re tight on people and not giving too much time and space out there to Panerans and Zabin Jads and guys like that. So, you know, we got to get to our game early against these guys and and keep it for 60 minutes. Well, if if anything’s going well for the Rangers, it’s Shist Sturken because but he can’t score. No, he’s been unbelievable, too. I mean, he’s top few in the league in every goalending category. So, and their their blue line in front of him has been much better, too. They’re they’re better off rush chances. Gabricov Fox is is is a great pair. Really like that pair after that. Okay. Schneider, Vakanan, Borgan’s all right, but like this this this is a getable team to me. If Paneran and Zabanagad have like kind of passed their best before date, then they they’re pretty thin. Like after that, their best offensive guys are Miller and Lafrener and then after that Troch’s out. Yeah. Yeah. LTI Brook Trojack. So I think he’s suffering what I’m suffering. Broken rib. Yeah. Rib got the spare ribs going. I think rib related issues. Uh that’s not good. So he could be out for a little while. So yeah, we’ll we’ll see. Um interesting thing for tonight. So I put the lineups there. Uh Lorent uh play the play the He’s healthy, right? Play the clip from uh the coach and we can talk about it after. Where are you at with Steven? Where you at with Steven Lorent? Well, he’s he’s available. I just didn’t want to change the lineup. Simple as a win. And what you’re liking? Yeah, the last two games have been really good. So, um, you know, just going to keep the lineup the same. That’s all it is. He’s an important player. We all like him. We want them, but you know, sometimes them are the decisions coaches got to make, and they’re not easy for the guys that aren’t playing. Do you know how many games Can we start playing his clips at 1.3 speed? No. Do you know? Do you know? Uh, I’m surprised he’s not in. He’s Yeah, he’s like an automatic. How many games he played last year? 80 80 right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 80 games. I I just It’s interesting to me that he’s leaving him out cuz I thought he like I’m Listen, it leads to a theory of mine. Let me have it. We’re witnessing a pump and dump on the Robertson stock. Ah, hold on for a second. Okay. Uh oh. I I’m not trading Nick Robertson. Oh my god. What are we doing on this show? What do you mean? I’ve been doing this for years. What? Here comes a classic Kipper. This is the biggest thing is doing Leonardo DiCapria. I’m not going. 25year-olds. I’m not going. I’m not going. It’s I’m not leaving. But yeah, good try. I’m not leaving. I’m not leaving. I’m not leaving. Okay. So, all of a sudden, there’s all this talk about Nick Robertson. I know uh Darren Drager does a terrific job on TSN. Mentioned it the other day on one of their telecasts. Think about this for a second. Okay. Why do you want Nick Robertson being traded right now? Why? Me? Yeah. Why? Well, for starters, you have good NHL players out of the lineup like Steven Lorent, and you don’t value him in a meaningful way. I don’t care about that. Okay. Why are you tra Okay, what what do you what are you trading him for? Yep. Yep. Yep. I see. I see your point. You You want to get rid of Nick pick and the fourth rounder does what for me, Sammy? You put it in a package in March to get someone else. Can you just stop the insanity right now? I’m just Listen, I’m not saying I mean Sam, come on. I I’m having this argument. There’s no reason right now you should just give Nick Robertson away. You’re not better for what you get back. Your team is not as deep. You’re you’re you’re giving up depth. But I mean you post yesterday, which is useless to me. Have you liked him through four games? Listen, that’s the question. Like I I don’t know where this It’s irrelevant. Okay. Over. It’s irrelevant. I’ll tell you what he does. He He makes my team faster. Okay. Okay. He makes my team faster. My team gets slower when he leaves for my fourth round pick. That could still be in the maternity ward for all I know. Also running into people on purpose. And I’m not saying it’s impactful, but he is running. He’s trying to run into people. He’s he’s still young. He’s energetic. He’s fast. He can still shoot a puck. Mhm. But I want to really hurry up because I really want the fourth round pick. You’re not getting anything back for him. I’m not giving up depth. I’m sorry. Kip’s right on all fronts. Yeah. I just surprised the source. That’s it. And you have stuck with him because you still see something. Yes, I do. And I like Nick. I like Nick. I think he’s trying to he was nice to you once at the Yes. He was and and he talked to me at a alumni function. He must have shook my hand up. All right. Let’s be a Nick Robertson show. Listen, if if you want to turn around and get another 23 24 year old who has some upside and you want to bring him up and you want to get rid of your problem for someone else’s problem, I I can be that. You tell me, Sam, it’s for a fourth round pick and I’m telling you, I want it. Keep it. Keep it. I I don’t mind this. I really don’t. And I think I’ve I’ve liked his aggressiveness and I’ve liked his speed. I like everything he said. What will we talk about if he actually does get traded? I don’t know. He’s he’s all we got. He honestly has the life blood of the How much conversation How many conversations for a guy that has scored what a careerhigh of what 14 have we spent talking about this guy? It’s amazing. You know that image of like the military guy over top of the populace? That’s him over like Max Doi. He uh Oh my god. You know, I I am curious though. I Here’s what I hope. I hope he’s not in tonight because of superstition because we won last game, so keep the lineup the same, which I loathe. Okay, first of all, while we’re at it, uh Yarn Croak’s also an untouchable for me. Oh yeah, you’re running. He’s an important guy right now. Listen, I got to tell you, after watching through the first four games, I’m like, boy, thank god we didn’t trade yarn cry. Holy smokes. Foot. What’s camp up to in the miners? I don’t know. See into him now, too. Yeah. Okay. If you if you were making the decisions and you want Lawrence back in, who would you take out? Yeah, it’s probably Robertson or Cowan, but not going to be Cowan. So, it’s probably Robertson. Yeah, that that’s the really the only option unless you think you want more out of Too early to poke Joshua. Yeah, doy. I liked how he skated. He’s shooting the puck speed. I don’t want Doy out of the lineup. So, yeah, it’s kind of Lorenzo Robertson tonight. And so, I get why Ruby’s just leaving it alone. Okay. not less less about superstition and more about okay who comes out. Callie’s been terrific for us. Go in go in back. He would have been the He would have been the guy that you would said okay why is he not on waiverss yet? But he’s he’s good. He’s good. Yeah. I mean this has just been remarkable. Weird show. Really remarkable. I love it. Not even off the rails Friday yet. Uh by the way off the rail Fridays tomorrow. Tomorrow we’re only 1 hour because of the Jays. They the Jays. So they start tonight at 8:33. Yeah. And then they start tomorrow I think at 5. So we’re on for only an hour 2 to three. But I have been in touch with Mr. Doug Mlan and Mr. Doug McLean’s going to join us tomorrow. So uh that’s good. All right. It’s game time presented by Bet 365. Visit the app for latest odds and see why it’s never ordinary at Bet 365. Miss Team Plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. Um, Jay’s or hockey boys? Jay’s. Jay’s. Okay, another big one for the local baseball team tonight. Uh, they’re turning to Max Scherzer. Will you go to game six if it’s in Toronto? If you’ve had success as a ba basement viewer, I’m I’ve the cold dark basement games are a gametoame basis and we will review with the board and we’ll get back to it. But I I don’t think I’ll go to game six or seven. No, I I just I Yeah, you’re 0 for two. I’m not Well, I’m I’m two and two. I saw them win both. Yeah. So, I’m two and one actually. So, what have you done for me late? Fair enough. Fair enough. So, the Toronto Blue Jays go in tonight as a slight dog plus 105 against the Seattle Mariners minus 125. Um 105. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they got they got a chance. You were telling me a chance. Listen, I don’t want to offend any of you you guys who are older, but they got a kind of an old guy on the mountain tonight. I don’t know if you heard or not. Do you know it is his 500th career start tonight? Number clean 500. Is that not cool? Uh, and I think I love the way that Vladimir Guerrero uh Junior swung the bat last night. I think I really used the baseball. Uh, four hits of over 100 miles an hour off the bat. Just out of control. I’m taking a homer again. I feel like he just figured something out last night. He’s locked in. He’s seeing it well. So, give me a homer tonight for Vladimir Guerrero Jr. at plus 390. And what you gonna say something there? Who’s who? This guy on the other uh bump. Uh yeah, he’s he’s good. And one other one for you quickly. Give me a Ernie Clement knock at minus 180 tonight. There you go. Loving Ernie. Ernie is creeping dangerously close to jersey territory for your boy. Love Ernie Clement. Big Clement guy. Yeah. Anyways, buddy, he is like the ultimate ball player. Grinder. Doesn’t matter where you hit him in the lineup. Doesn’t matter where you play him on the field. He’s going to give you positive contributions. Once again, asking for another first pitch fast. He loves the heater. Uh, that was game time presented by Bet 365. Visit the app for the latest odds and see why it’s ever ordinary at Bet 365 19 plus Ontario only. Please play responsibly. I How do you guys feel about Sherzer tonight, Kev? He’s got to have one good one. Okay. Yeah, Bourney. I think this is not the game where it’s like, oh, he doesn’t throw as hard or whatever. This is a game where a wy veteran just grinds and battles. I I He’s going to dig down deep here. I think baseball is the most unpredictable sport in the world and I think a lot of people would probably be pretty worried about this start, but he’s got a lot of pride. He’s got a lot of pedigree. He’s as competitive a human. Just give me give me one time through looking good. Give me three innings and then bring somebody else in. Just look good out there. I think they hit three balls over 100 miles per hour anywhere. It’s time to be like who’s up? Who’s up? All right, Dave Maloney after the break. All right, you heard the producer. When we return, Dave Maloney, MSG Network, teeing up the Rangers and the Toronto Maple Leafs. Much like Nick Robertson telling the Toronto Maple Leafs, real Kipper and Bourne. [Music] As a reminder, this hour of Real Kipper and Bourne brought to you by Bet 365, Nick Ciprios, Sammy McKe, Justin Bourne. In a few minutes, we’ll welcome in Dave Maloney who’s going to explain to us how you can start three games at home and not score one goal. Hey, um before we get to Dave, who I think we don’t have yet, uh we talked about Schaefer, Matthew Schaefer, in the last hour. He has a point in each of his first three games. I just want to shout out the longest point streak to start an Islanders career. Bob, how many there? Six games. First six games he had a point. Nice. And I I had a stat come across my desk from DA and I felt like giving him a shout out for that. That is really cool. Yeah, I’m here to help. Anyway, back to the Rangers who can’t score. Um, yeah. I I mean, you know who I like in that team? Koulie. You like Koulie? Love Yeah, I thought you would. Good thing they at least took Neimla one spot ahead of Is that right? One of the one of the one of the Topies or Roonies are one of them. They didn’t. Why’ you say that? Yeah. Oh, big Ontario. Big Ontario kid who hits everybody. He wouldn’t have been a late first round. Second, I think. Oh, second. I think I think they took Topi Nemo one spot ahead of him. All right. Well, on that note, on that note, let’s go to MSG’s number one analyst when Steve Alak’s not on the show. No, I’m just kidding. Dave, how are you, buddy? Oh, I’m really good now after that. Hey, Valley told me to say that. Yeah, it’s all right. Goalies. I I can’t believe you’re even listening to that. Goalie for God’s sake. Good point. Very good point. Um, all right. So, I kind of phrased it to these guys, but I’ll phrase it to you. H how does a team start three games at home and and not score one goal? Uh, well, you get sturken by the opposition’s goalenders. That’s what happens. Wow. I mean I I mean Lingland was brilliant. He was absolutely brilliant and Skinner was brilliant. And uh this is the thing, guys. I know it makes for a story. It makes for a conversation. And I don’t know whether it matters that it’s the Rangers at Madison Square Garden, but realistically the Rangers are heading in the right direction because if if you if you go back a year ago, I think they were 12 and four and something out of the gates and Sister Sturken and Quick had 980 save percentages, right? This team um is doing things the right way to have a sustainable game moving forward. So, while it makes a bit of a story moving, uh, you know, looking back, uh, no goals in three games at home, uh, there’s another team that comes into the factor, and it had nothing to do with the way this team is playing. So, Dave, is there any thought on Paneran and Zabanagad and where they’re at in their careers? Do they look like they’re going to still be pretty dangerous offensive producers? It’s funny you should ask about Zabanagad. Mike Sullivan uh told us this morning that he took Ma’s side yesterday at practice and we love the way you’re playing. Oh wow. And and the thing with Ma he will get you know the offensive players which I I know me for me personally and I don’t know about you Kipper but when it comes to offense I’m not sure they were looking for offense but in the meantime what the um Rangers always will be for Ma will be that you know he’s not producing that is not the case he is buying into a different style of play that Mike Sullivan’s staff are simply demanding and that’s to be gritty. That’s to pay do the things that don’t come naturally to you and he might be example one. Now Paneran missed camp. Um I’m not sure that’s the reason for his struggles without a goal. I’m not sure that the league isn’t catching up to him a little bit here early. Uh but there’s no question they are two guys when the obvious thing you look to is their offense. Haven’t scored yet, but Zabanagad has been really really good. And you can see that that coach Sullivan’s squeezing a lot out of four lines because I’m seeing this the scoring uh race with the New York Rangers and I’m seeing a guy like Sam Carrick up there. He’s he’s squeezing a lot out of the bottom six. Well, I think you’re right. He is squeezing a lot of the bottom six because the top six haven’t yet met up to what they need to meet up to. I mean the last two games you know they scored 10 goals in the road in Buffalo and in Pittsburgh and the last two games I tell you is and and Miller had four point blank opportunities that were absolutely robbed. So it’s going to come it’s going to come there because it it sure makes for a great story when your bottom six is scoring. There’s no question. But it makes a good story for them. The team needs more of their top six. But I I’ll tell you Sam Carrick last year observing Carrick play dollar for dollar he was probably the best valued Ranger in the club. Now the Rangers year was not very good but he’s come in here and he is the absolute anchor to the two condors he’s got on the wing who are playing very well in Edstrom and Rempy. Yeah, those uh he’s a valuable depth guys for sure to have. Um, I I wanted to key in on Rangers culture this year because in the past it seemed like they’re trying to move away, right? Trouba was on his way out. JT Miller becomes the captain. Where are things there? Is there any sort of vibe that this is a new attitude Ranger team? There’s no question this is a new attitude. Yeah. And there’s no question that the addition of JT Miller, he’s the Batman to Vinnie Troek’s Robin. And when the team starts to play collectively the way those two guys play and as Mike Sullivan told the local media when asked about, you know, the four nations experience and and explaining the intangibles that JT Miller brings, they have been intangibles that this franchise might not have had. And it’s a it’s probably too big a comparison, but you played with them uh Kipper and Mark Messier. You know, what will a guy do? What will a worldclass player do to compete to compete and that to me now Jacob Troua there’s and it’s not a disparaging comment on the former captains or whatever. I happen to believe those guys don’t come along often and if everyone was Mark Messier then every leader would be Mark Messier and play that way. They don’t. Miller is in that bracket. And so there’s no question um that like I say at this the game that they’re playing now and who knows every every night’s a different night, right? That’s why you play them. But they’re starting to sew the signs of playing the game now. Florida sets the template, right? They win back to back playing the way they’re playing. Everybody wants to play that way. You got to have your top guys have some sense of playing that way to be successful. You’re listening to Dave Maloney from MSG Network as we get set for the Toronto Maple Leafs and the New York Rangers. Uh Dave, Batman and Robin are kind of hurting a little bit here. Troche out and you know JT Miller safe to say he is playing hurt and you know I mean not not producing obviously like many of the New York Rangers, but like where is he on that front for you? Well, well, I I mean, he’s he had as did the team had a terrible opening night for whatever reason, but he’s been he’s been what they need him to be. He just, as I said, he is going to score. Ma is going to score. And if they continue to play the way they played for four games, there’ll be no problem. We’ll be sitting here a week from now, right? Remember that conversation we had? So, I have no problem with JT Miller’s game and none whatsoever. How about another new addition in Gaov? What have you seen from him so far? Is he helping Fox out? He is helping a team that needed to be quieter in their own end, be quieter in their own end and stronger in their own end. And as far as Adam Fox and he paired up, you know, that defensive position development chemistry is important because there’s just two of you, right? A little different than the three up front and the goender’s on his own. But there that is an evolving situation with the chemistry and Adam Fox played forever with Ryan Linderan. They were each other’s first out, last out would get to a position to be supportive to. So that’s going to take time, but there’s no doubt that Gabberov has just kind of helped just be a little bit stronger and a little bit calmer in the Rangers end of the ice, which has been an end of the ice that for the goalending um has needed some work. They they have been able to control the rush game, which they weren’t very good at last year. Safe to say, Dave. Absolutely. Absolutely. It’s interest every coach has their style and two years ago um Peter Lavot comes in and the Rangers I think lost one in the first 10 or something like that. So, you know, new coach, new look runs its course. What I’ve really been impressed with Mike has been his his command or demand that the top players do the things that don’t come instinctively or naturally to them to pull everybody else along. Everybody would like to play in a beer league, right, where there’s no check, you don’t have to come back or whatever. But the good teams pay attention and do the right things. And a lot of times those aren’t those aren’t the things that guys instinctively want to do. And I I think if a coach I’ve always thought that a coach’s impact is most highly seen how well does a team defend and what prices are they paying to win. And the early signs for me are just that. And you see it there’s less there’s less craziness in the defensive zone. there’s less there’s not that kind of come back in the neutral zone and let people come after there’s an attack with support. So it’s been a refreshing a refreshing look because it’s unfair to say that change is what it is other than a change but it is a refreshing look. So when you zoom out on all this stuff and you look at that metro division where do you see the Rangers stacking up? Last year was a tough year but it feels like there’s more here to like this season and the potential to get back in a playoff race. Uh yeah, I I I honestly fellas, I thought coming in they were a legitimate playoff contender, right? And I don’t think that’s unfair. I don’t want to get ahead of the story because like you can go down every team in the metro and go, you know, I I really like Carolina, which a lot of people do. Uh will Washington be as good as the career year was last year for a lot of those guys? They’re still pretty good. Who are the Devils? you know, and then you kind of get into the areas of the division. Um, and depending where you are, where are the question marks? I think the Rangers are probably still one top four defenseman away from a step up. Can can Connor Sherry be that top six guy that gives them offense that they need from a top six? So there are, you know, there are questions, but I dude, I honestly believe coming in with Shurken, Fox, JT Miller, Saban, Jedad, and improving Culie and improving Schneider, I think you could say they’re a legitimate playoff contender. And that’s all you got to do, right? You all you got to do is get in. Dave, one name you didn’t mention is Paneran. I don’t think we’ll see the 120 points that we saw a few seasons ago out of him, but what is he capable of still doing? And there’s that that thing hanging over his head that his contract’s done at at the end of the year and he wants another big one, I assume. Yeah, I it sounds like he wants a big one. And to a certain degree, um would you agree on past performance? Yeah, he would. But he still has to be he just hasn’t been quite what he’s been. Now I I’m not sure I would be at liberty to say I know how banged up he was in training camp. Never played a game. Now you’re five games into the season and what’s noticeable to me is the the lead seems to be on to him a little bit more. Just seems to be on his game. You know, a lot of the game and I go back to Florida because why not? A lot of the game is north south, right? It’s north south. It’s hard. It’s fast. Is that Paneran’s game? Well, time will tell. They need Paneran to produce. Can he get to 120? I don’t know. But they need more out of him than we’ve seen so far. We’re looking forward to the game tonight. Uh Dave, and always a pleasure catching up with you. Uh and we’ll catch up to you again real soon down the road. Thanks for doing this. Yeah, no problem. And really, anytime you got to talk to Valley, if you need to kind of be walked through the whole thing, ju just just give an old defenseman a call, will you please? The old steady D man high and hard off the glass. Thanks, Dave. Appreciate it. See you guys. That is Dave Maloney, MSG Network. Real good one in our sport. Yeah, the uh it’s interesting. He sounds higher on them than I don’t want to say than I would have anticipated. Last year we had him on beat him up. He was off of them like he and like this listen he he Yeah. 100% like he’s a works for MSE but like he’s always been very forthcoming with him with us in terms of his analysis of the team. Yeah. And for him to say that and he watches closer than anybody. Yeah. Feel like they’re heading in the right direction makes me slightly a little more worried about tonight than I would have been going into it. But we’ll see. I Paneran’s now 33 years old. Yeah. I I don’t know what’s out there for him. Like last year, I think he had 89 points. Yeah, 89. That’s still a good number. If he can get to 80, I I don’t know what kind of term he can get, but there’ll be there’ll be teams willing to overspend for that type of scoring, which is it’s hard to find. It’s funny because like Panera was always like there are things you don’t love about his game, but it doesn’t matter because he gets points, right? So, you can put up with some defensive gas or he’s not that strong or whatever as long as you score a bunch of points. When the points start going down, you know, it’s like, ah, how much do you want to commit? But you’re right, there’s a team who will go, if he can get us 80 points, we’ll give him what, $6 million. I don’t know. In his years with the Rangers, starting in 2019, 95 points, 58 in the shortened season, 96, 92, 120, 89. It’s clear his interpretation of what kind of player he is in the Rangers is vastly different. And I I don’t know what that means. Does Does he play with a chip on his shoulder the rest of the year? Does he is he motivated? Does he feel like he’s got one foot out the door already? Yeah, I’m interested in watching him tonight and and watching for the the skill, no question, the game, but also the body language. So they traded Trouba, they traded Chris Krider, or just moved on from No, they traded Chris Crider. So like, are you saying that like this could be the just moving on from that era of the Rangers? I I would imagine. Yes. And they’re they’re careful with their money. Chris Krider. Yeah, it’s hot. I I may have probably kept him. He’s a good player. He gets 30 and he’s a Can I say something too, please? The Leafs should have trade. The The Leafs should have had him. The Leafs should have gotten Chris Crider. But here’s the Chris Crider would have been great with John Tvaris. I mean, that doesn’t help the pace of your team. Excuse me. So fast. Yeah. I don’t know. He just the pace. He’s one of the fastest guys. He was. No, still is. I don’t know. No, he can still skate. He can still motor. He’s a big man, too. I just feel like Crider would be yet another big non-tough guy, you know, like another offensive. I hear so many amazing things about him in Anaheim. Yeah. They love him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he was a big part of the Rangers for a lot of years, but I still think he has wheels and he still has hands. He’s got three goals already. Yeah. Yeah, possibly more than that. Leo Carlson bounced one off him the other night in front of the net. Is that right? Yeah. Um, so just to Will was one pick after Rooney here. Oh, no. First of all, the Rangers, they got rid of uh Liam Anderson to get that pick. It wasn’t It wasn’t the The Rangers traded to to get him. Oh, the Leafs didn’t take him. that 2020 draft and you know horrible situation with Amarov in the first round right where young kid passed away it’s awful Leafs have zero games played from I think 12 or sorry from 20 what from 2020 entry draft not one game played from any player in that draft the list uh Ronin Toby Namela the goalie Actimov Villanu okay stop I’m getting hives okay he’ll play a You would have liked to have one maybe contribute a game. Shurken versus Stallars. Does that mean 3-2? The two best goalies in the league. 3-2. 2-1. 4-3. Lower score. I think Snoozefest that you’re trying to pay attention to tonight across from Jays. That’s what I predict. 3-1 final. I think three one final leaves. For whom? And I think the Jays I think they get it done again tonight. I do. That would make for a very fun off the rails uh hour. Whatever go of tornadoes tonight. Two to three. Two to three. We’ll hunt down Doug Mlan. Have a great night everybody. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. [Music]

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