Can Walker Monfort bring the Colorado Rockies back to relevancy again?

Can Walker Monfort bring the Colorado Rockies back to relevancy again?

Well, consider us Rockies fans officially cautiously optimistic. We’ll tell you why coming up on the DNVR podcast. [Music] [Applause] [Music] What’s up, Rockies fans? Welcome in to the DNVR Rockies podcast. We are here live from the Big Boy Studio, the Toyota Lounge. Christian SAS, Spencer Smith, Dion rocking the buttons, making us look good. Our last Friday show for a long time. It is. It is. Um, so yeah, we we’ll start with a a little update. Next week, we are uh as of now moving down to one show per week for Rocky’s stuff. Uh, I’m going to be jumping over and going back on uh the Denver Sports Podcast, which is going to be a lot of fun. Getting to talk about some Nuggets, some ABS, some uh Broncos, and uh and some winning clubs here in Colorado, which is you’ll see me on TDSP a few times here and there when Christian’s got no no actual like legit people. He’ll be like, “Hey, dude.” Yeah, I’ll bring Spencer on. We we’ll talk about Rocky’s stuff and and and golf, maybe. We’ll we’ll we’ll mix things up. Um but yeah, so we’re going to move our Rocky’s show to Tuesday. Uh it kind of helps out with some of the the procedural stuff here at DNVR. So uh Tuesday at noon, Tuesday at noon, the new Rocky’s pod starting next week. We’ll be live on Tuesday. It also gives us a chance to hopefully uh recap any news that comes up from the weekend. Although I don’t think anything’s going to happen this weekend, but um it’ll give us a chance to update anything that happens from the weekend. A lot of news breaks on Monday, too. So it kind of gives us a chance to to hit the the Monday news on Tuesday and uh and get ready for the rest of the week. So, uh, I’m I’m excited. This off season has been interesting, and I don’t know if we’ve been able to say that Rocky’s fans have had an interesting off season in years, it feels like. No, the the word change doesn’t apply to the dictionary. If you look up a a Rocky’s branded dictionary, you don’t uh see the word change in there very often. And the word insular and the word um, what’s the other word when you bring your family into everything? Uh, nepotism. Nepotism. Yeah, those those words are very large in that dictionary, but change is not and it’s becoming one. And it’s really exciting from a standpoint of we you theoretically things can’t get worse, right? Like theoretically theoretically they can’t get worse. Now they could have won 42 games. Yep. Of course they could have won 41 games. They could have won 40 games, 39, whatever. Yes, it can always get worse. But in the grand scheme of the Rockies and how we as media, and I say that with quotations for those of you listening to the podcast, uh, media fans, everybody has this outlook on the Rockies right now where they have a real chance to change themselves and change the outlook from a fans perspective. And I I don’t think they’re going to get everybody to jump ship right away in terms of jumping back on the ship or back on the bandwagon, but they have a chance to at least have people go into next season and to this new regime, new president of baseball operations, director of strategy, whatever all these terms are, with some excitement and some like a reason to pay attention again. Whether or not they’re bad next year is probably going to be the case, but we we are at least paying attention to what they’re changing, why they’re changing it, who they’re hiring, and where the direction of this club is headed. And it’s not just going in circles anymore. It’s taking a new path. Could be bad, could be good, but we get to find out. And that’s the fun part. It’s it’s something different. God, it’s just different, right? That’s that’s been the story of Rocky’s fans for a while is is it’s just been nice to have something different. And we finally get to have that. uh coming up. I’m going to guess probably in the next couple weeks. It sounds like a decision will likely be made uh maybe in a couple weeks. Just schedule a few more camping out of service trips and we’ll get one. We will. I will. I go. I I’m I was shocked. I was out of service yesterday morning and I I came back into service and we did not have an announcement. Uh which was probably the first time that’s happened this entire season. I left when we were out of town when Bud Black got fired. Like I mean like all of that went down when we’ve always been gone. So, um, we got a packed show today. We, uh, we’re going to talk, obviously, about the front office situation. We’ve got some new names to throw into the mix. So, we’ll give our takes on some of the new guys that could possibly be involved in the Rockies organization in the future. Um, we uh, we’ve got to talk some postseason stuff. Wolf Gang, I see you. I hear you. Uh, I got to vent about that a little bit. Mariners, you know, are letting me down right now. So, we’re going to talk about them as the show goes on. We got to talk about the Dodgers. I hate to do it, but we have to talk about the Dodgers because the Dodgers are heading baseball in a direction that is certainly making things a little interesting. So, uh, we got a lot to talk about on the show today, but we got to start by talking about some of the I hesitate to call it news because it wasn’t really news, rumors, I’ll call it, that we we heard over the the last couple days. some of them uh coming from the Athletics, some of them coming from our good friends uh over at the the Denver Post, Thomas Harden getting in on it as well. Um we had some rumors circulating. First of all, we got a couple new names, so we’ll talk about them in just a second, but there was one thing that just came out. I don’t know if you guys read Patrick Saunders recent article on the in the Denver Post um that highlighted the fact that the Rockies, in addition to hiring their new president of baseball operations, whether that is a president of baseball operations or a GM, apparently that’s yet to be decided yet, but the new person in charge of running baseball decisions for the Rockies, while they’re trying to hire that, they also added that they are going to be including a chief revenue and strategy officer. which is not something that I expected. Now, yes, we knew that the Rockies were headed in a different direction. They’re obviously kind of changing things from the way that we’ve seen them operate in the past. And I think a lot of that is credited to Walker Manfort for taking the ideas that his dad has had over the last I don’t know decade plus and saying we need to do the opposite of that. Whatever is we’ve whatever my father has been doing for the last 20 plus years has not been working. So now I’m kind of being given some ability to make decisions here and to to kind of get this ship headed in a different direction. And so far Walker has done and said the right things. And I see this in in Patrick Saunders article that the Rockies are going to be including a chief revenue and strategy officer. And it’s another thing in my book where where I look at what Walker’s doing and I say that’s that’s a good idea because from my perspective and obviously we’ll still have to wait and see. That’s just another job that separates the baseball people from the ownership where I think the Montforts were kind of operating in this world of you know Dick Mford is the president of baseball operations. He is the chief revenue and strategy officer and Bill Schmidt or whoever the former GM was was kind of just there as a as a yes man almost. At least that’s how it sounded to me. You’re starting to get more and more people that seemingly on paper have the ability to make baseball decisions and that cannot be a bad thing. No. And it’s just them having some self-realization that it’s clearly not working. And instead of trying to hide it with comments like, “Oh, we’re going to be the best defense in baseball,” or, “We actually think this team is good.” When no one in their right mind believed that, but that’s what they said to us and said to the media. They’re they’re hiring people to do the jobs that they’re supposed to do instead of trying to do everything at once. And and when you realize that as like you look at a lot of companies and the more they hire people to do their own specific jobs instead of having one person do three or four things, especially when that one person’s not doing that very good that good of a job at it, you get everybody gets more specific with their job and everybody focuses a little bit more on the small things and it it may not translate to a product on the field right away, but overall this is just going to be a a better situation for the Rockies moving forward. I mean look like DNVR is kind of a perfect example of that. Three or four years ago, DNVR had, you know, one or two producers that are doing multiple shows and then maybe something gets forgotten because somebody’s working on Nuggets and then they’re trying to do abs, blah blah. And then the bigger you get and the more important things become, like now every show has their their producer, you know, we get Dion on every single week and he like knows what the Rocky show is about makes the show better. And he’s a producer. He’s not a co-host that’s that’s simultaneously producing, right? He’s not like it’s not like, you know, uh Dre, our GM, is coming downstairs and producing our shows. Like Dion is a producer. That is his job. I am a Rocky’s podcast host, you know, same to you. Like we’re doing our specific jobs that we were hired to do. Yeah. And it it makes the the product a lot better. And and that’s what we’re seeing with the Rockies is like it’s been this kind of dictatorship really for the last who knows how long. And yes, you have a GM and and this this still even though we’re saying this, this doesn’t mean it’s necessarily going to change. I’ve seen, you know, James Click, Lavine, some names in the chat. Like, even though they get hired or whoever they hire is is the new GM, doesn’t necessarily mean that the Monertforts are completely taking away the decision making of like, okay, Click decides what guy he wants to fill the bullpen or whatever and then Monforts still have to approve it. I’m not going to get crazy and think that that’s all going to change, but you at least have some fresh minds and some different people doing specific jobs that will help the organization instead of this dictatorship of a guy that’s going to just make every decision like the the further and further away Dick Monfort moves from this team and Walker Walker just ends makes more decisions and hires other people to make more separate decisions, it’s it’s only going to be positive. Delegation is never a bad thing. Delegation is never a bad thing. It should never when you’re running an organization as large as a major league baseball team. Uh you should not be making decisions in a small room with just a couple people or just one person. It should be delegated amongst people who h have experience. And uh and I wanted to read this this little excerpt from again Patrick Saunders great article in the Denver Post. He said, “According to source, the chief revenue and strategy officer would be tasked with helping grow the Rockies from the business side and will be involved in investing money in data analytics and strategy. Now, we know from experience that the Monertforts or whoever was doing that before, but we all understand that it was from the top down. The Monertforts were very bad at that. The Rockies are one of the worst teams in when it comes to data analytics and strategy.” and they have been and that’s well known amongst all of people within Major League Baseball. So to have someone who is a baseball mind who comes in and their sole job is to do that to say hey yes you know Mr. Manfort whether that’s Walker or Dick or whoever is going to give me a budget like there’s going to be a set amount. It’s not like the Mumforts are just going to disappear and this person’s just going to do everything they want with an unlimited paycheck. They’re going to have to work within a budget, but within that world, they can make the decisions. That’s incredibly promising to me because that combination between a chief revenue and strategy officer and a let’s just say president of baseball operations for this case, that combination gives you the back end where you’re saying these are the numbers and the analytics and the data that’s going to allow us to be successful. And here’s on the the right side, here’s the baseball mind, the president of baseball operation, who can manage an organizational team that can build a roster, that can go draft correctly, that can go uh handle trades, which Walker Mford said that’s one of the big things they’re looking for in a new president of baseball operations is a tradeoriented approach um to this because they’ve lacked that in the past. Like again, these are all good things. I obviously we don’t have anything set in so in stone yet, but I can’t say I’m disappointed by the direction in which things are headed just given these rumors that we’ve been hearing. Exactly. And you think about the Rockies as a business and they seem to be doing pretty good on the business side, right? That’s why everybody in here and in the chat and Rocky’s fans over all the years are so upset because it some of these teams, they’re they’re bad baseball teams and they’re not good at business. It’s just kind of a disaster from the top down. And as much as we want to hate on the Monertforts and that and Bill Schmidt and whoever is up in the the front office, like they’ve done a pretty good job at building a business now. They haven’t done a very good job at building a baseball job. Exactly. Yeah. They’ve done such a good job at building a business that it actually makes people more mad that the baseball team isn’t reflective of how good the business is doing. But the more we see this all works in in tandem because the better this business can always get better, right? any business can always get better and be more efficient and make more money. So, the more money that they, you know, if they have this chief revenue officer and then they find a way to make more money, well, then you hope that that money gets reinvested into the roster, into the players, into, you know, facilities, whatever it ends up being that you you can attract free agents, you can pay free agents. Like, all of this stuff works together in tandem. And it does matter. Like, some of this stuff does matter. And you think, “Oh, the Rockies make so much money, it doesn’t matter. They still don’t spend money on players.” Well, no, they are, you know, top half or or middle half of the league in salary cap spending. And imagine if they make more money, you know, like yes, they could just keep it for themselves, but you hope that the more money that comes in, these new officers and new revenue people decide to invest the money into the product on the field because that’s what will end up making you even more money down the line. Like, if the Rockies had a home game tomorrow and we’re in the NLCS, that’s a shitload of revenue right there. And it’s not it’s it sounds easier than I’m making it seem like, oh, you just build a good baseball team, you make a ton of money. It’s not the case. But they’re good at the money part, let’s get the baseball part right, and then the money part can grow even bigger. Yeah. No one’s ever debated whether or not the Manforts are good business people. Like, they’re very good businessmen. Um Dick Manfort is is good at investing in real estate and investing in infrastructure and getting a party deck that’s going to make more money. And I All of that stuff is great. I’m that that doesn’t bother me at all. If the product on the field is better, if the product on the field is a good thing, then do whatever you want. I don’t care how much more money you want to make. If you want to go build five different party decks and do all of those kind of things, but I think the investing and the business mindset of Dick Montford and his family has taken away from his focus on the baseball product. And I think, you know, these these sources coming out and saying that this is the direction that the front office is possibly headed in is a good thing because I think it’s at least Walker Mford saying, you know what, we’re good at running a business. We’re going to run this business this way, but we need some baseball people to run the baseball side of things. And that’s what we as Rockies fans have been begging for for who knows how long. And it feels like we’re finally headed in that direction. Um finalists for the candidates for the job will be interviewed next week according to Thomas Harding. So things are coming up quick. Um we got to hit our first break of the show after the break. Let’s talk about some of the names specifically because we did hear some names. I’ve already seen some of you guys throwing out some of those names in the chat. Um and also there’s there’s one quote that I wanted to throw out from that article from from Mr. Saunders. 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Um, real quick, I wanted to wrap up that the the last piece of that article um, from Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post where Walker Mfort was actually talking about his dad’s involvement. He was asked about his dad’s involvement and and he said this quote, he’s a part he’s a partner in this. He’s still the ultimate decision maker. Now, we’ve been saying Walker Mford’s doing all the right things and I think he has and I think this organization is headed in the right direction. And I’ve said just from my perspective that it seems like Dick Mford is trying to distance himself a little bit from the organization with all of the struggles they’ve had over the last few years and he’s allowing Walker to kind of take over and and take the reigns on that. But the reality is Dick Mford is still the decision maker. He is still the one signing the paychecks. He’s still the owner. And so I do think there is something This is where I I come into being cautiously optimistic. I there is something to be said about keeping an eye on just kind of how much of a hand Dick Mert plays in these next few decisions. I I have no doubt that he’s going to be in the room in these interviews. I have no doubt that he, like I said, is going to have a say in these interviews or the final say according to Walker Mford. But is he going to give the I don’t know the the agency to to Walker and then eventually to the people that they hire to make those decisions? Um, you can only hope. You can only hope and I I like I said I think the Rockies are headed in the right direction but for this to work the Mumforts both of them have to hire these people and take a step back and say we trust you to make these decisions. Yeah. and and a lot of like the comments are kind of bringing up the points that you hope to see because do we think that we’re going to hire a new GM and a new president of baseball operations or director or whatever these titles are that all of a sudden the Montforts are going to change their spending habits and and throw all this money around? No, you’d be stupid to think that. But you hope that there’s a good mixture of when they’re interviewing these candidates like how this is your budget. how are you going to make the best out of this? Or what would you do with this amount of money to sign free agents? Or what, you know, what direction would you take with hitters? Do you like more contact guys? Do you like more power guys? Do you guys do you want guys to steal bases? Like, how are you going to approach this with this type of budget? And I think, you know, the Rockies have a there’s a stigma around the Rockies, which is not entirely untrue, but anybody that’s taking this job, as we’ve talked about in the past, it is a job that’s coveted. It is a job that people would love to be able to succeed in, but anybody taking these interviews and wanting to become the next Rocky’s president of baseball operations knows that they’re a little bit more hamstrung than the Dodgers or these other teams. And and to be honest, like there’s a lot of small market teams out there, but there’s also a lot of teams. There’s a only a handful of teams that are like the Dodgers, the Mets, the, you know, the Yankees, the Yankees, etc. that actually spend unlimited amounts of money. all the rest of these GMs. I mean, look who’s still left in the playoffs. The Brewers are doing it this way. The Mariners are doing it this way. The Blue Jays are doing it this way, you know, and they’ve spent a little bit more. But the the reality of the situation is there’s about 25 MLB teams that don’t have an unlimited amount of money to just spend. So, there’s guys out there doing this job and making contenders andor playoff contenders, which is all we’re asking for at this point, with a limited amount of money. But they have to have some they have to have some say obviously in the in the players. And I hope it doesn’t turn into a situation where this would never really become public. But I feel like we could we could kind of feel it where like the new GM comes in, he’s like, “Well, I wanted to sign this guy. I wanted to sign this guy. I wanted to sign this guy.” And you know, realistically, you’re not going to be able to sign all those guys. But I hope it doesn’t become a situation where we’re even more mad at Dick Montford because we feel like the new GM or president of baseball operations is being hamstrung. When it was Bill Schmidt, it was we all we knew the whole thing was just a big cluster F, for lack of a better term. Now it’s like, okay, you got a different decision maker over here. You’ve still got the boss, but how much will the boss still allow this guy to have some freedom? And to be honest, I think a good GM or president of baseball operations, you know, whatever they end up being named, I think a good person in that role wouldn’t allow that to happen. Now, obviously, yes, you have to, you know, the Montfords are the ones pay writing your paycheck, so you have to work within that a little bit, but if you are hired in here to, you know, reinvent the Rockies, uh, you obviously are a very knowledgeable baseball person. You have a good resume, and I don’t think they would stand for that. So, I I like I said, I it doesn’t concern me a ton. I’m I’m cautiously optimist optimistic, but we’ll see. We’ll see how things are going. We got to talk about some of these names, though, cuz we’re we’re talking about, you know, this is a coveted baseball opportunity for a lot of highlevel MLB executives. And I know people out there, the casual Rockies fan or even the Rockies hater out there has done their round saying, “Oh, who would want this job? That’s it’s the Rockies. Who would want to work for the Rockies?” Well, it turns out some of the best minds in baseball do. Um, we found out James Click, Scott Sharp, Matt Foreman, the three names that at least got leaked through the Athletic uh as having interviews with the Colorado Rockies for that position. The biggest one in my opinion being James Click. Uh, James Click, Blue Jays vice president of baseball strategy, formerly the GM of the Astros. For those of you who are not aware, he was the assistant GM of the Astros that built that World Series team, got nabbed for the uh cheating scandal. The GM got fired or resigned or however that went down when the cheating happened and James Click became the new GM of the Astros. So, my initial thought was, well, maybe maybe he just inherited a good team. Well, then you go and look at their tenure after the cheating scan scandal. Well, the Astros not only got better, but they kept he found ways to keep all of their best players. He brought them back to a World Series, went to another World Series that they won. So, he’s he won the World Series and then left to become the vice president of baseball strategy with the now on the verge of a a World Series, Toronto Blue Jays. So, James Click has a hell of a resume and that is a good baseball mind that I would not mind seeing here in Colorado. No, the like the like like I said earlier, the Blue Jays do spend a little bit more money than the Rockies do, but the when you look at the Blue Jays and just like focus on their roster and look at the guys they have, the Vars shows and and all these guys that first of all, they’re all miniature and short and chubby, which it’s a hilariously built team. And then you got like the Springers and guys like that. But they they’re a fun baseball team that has been built from, you know, getting these quote unquote castoffs and and then also building from like they have what’s the kid’s name? Uh the starting pitcher that’s just unbelievable. Trey Savage. Yeah. Yeah. Like they they’re they’re drafting good guys. They’re they’re bringing up guys. They’re bringing a a whole roster of now tied sorry, but tied 2-2 in the ALCS and just beating the cover off the ball. And that’s the one thing I do want to see. Like I don’t I don’t want the Rockies to necessarily whatever makes them a good team is I’m going to be happy with and we can see that pitching is very important, but like I would I would be remiss to say that the Blue Jays have kind of gotten here based on their offense. Like their offense is elite. And so it’s fun to think about a guy that built that elite offense with, you know, guys in the once again, sorry for this, but like your nine-hole hitters got two home runs in two straight games. like that. That’s how deep their lineup is is that they got a 9-hole hitter going yard in an ALCS when it matters the most and your season’s basically on the line. So, it it’s fun to think about like a extremely highowered fun offense at Korsfield. Yeah. Well, and a couple of the other names on that list, Scott Sharp, Matt Foreman. Scott Sharp is the assistant GM to the Royals. We all know how the Royals, although they missed the playoffs this year, I mean, they they shocked the world last year. They were a 100 loss team the season before that and they made the playoffs the very next year. So as Rockies fans, you see that and you’re like, “Oh my god, give me that guy.” Right? So Scott Sharp’s not a bad option. Matt Foreman, the assistant GM to the Guardians, the playoff team in the Cleveland Guardians that again shocked baseball and made it to to to the playoffs this year. Uh yeah, I mean you just these are three good baseball minds. Thad Lavine’s name has been tossed around a lot. Now, these are the only ones that we have sources saying that have interviewed. Uh there’s probably more. I would imagine those are not the only three, but those are three good baseball names. And again, it to me, it just confirms the fact that it confirms the reality that all of true Rockies fans understand and true baseball knowowers understand. The Rocky’s general manager job or president of baseball operations job is a very highly coveted job. And there are plenty of smart baseball people out there that want to solve the baseball equation at Kors Field in Colorado. And imagine a Blue Jays lineup offensively playing at Kors Field. I that that’s the Denver Nuggets. I mean like what do we you know? I mean that’s that’s it’s that’d be incredible. You send them to the World Series. Yeah. And the fun part too is like like you said all these minds and these names that have been actually released you know there’s probably more but it’s good to hear that these names are coming out in the interview process and we’re not like who it’s not like the the sorry you know we are not the worst you had a worse season than us but like they’re not interviewing the the assistant GM for the White Socks or you know these guys where you’re like why or a name that doesn’t make sense or a name that hasn’t had some recent success like all of these guys are kind of fitting a mold of ready to step into a president of baseball operations role or have already been in that role apparently, you know, as a GM with um the guy from the Astros. But the like these guys are ready hopefully ready to win and hopefully ready to take on this immense challenge that not only is Kors Field and the difference of baseball at altitude which is very different but the fact that you’re starting out with a pretty rough overall roster and we and we do hope that coming up you know like like as much as we don’t like to talk about the guy Bill Schmidt said in his exit interview or what he would tell the next GM or whatever that little statement was there is some hope for the pitching prospects in this organization. the Griffin Cannings and the guys like that that we brought up. Brody Breck, I I know I love him because he’s an Iowa guy, but he had an unbelievable season. Like, they’re still a few years away, but there is some guys that are starting to get national attention from a pitching perspective. And yes, we’re not going to hit on all of them, but if you get two or three more of those and find a way to unlock Chase Dolander, you could be looking at a a team that’s ready to compete in 27, 28, 29, maybe with a young pitching staff, which would be electric. Like we can try to sign a veteran that’s had a 10-year career and and can try to re revive that career at Kersfield. Doesn’t normally work with pitching. Works well with hitting and position players. But like if we build a young pitching staff that comes up and is relevant and good and and Ryan Felner is good and uh you know like I said Chase Dolander gets on the right track and you have a few of these other guys that Tanner Gordon ends up being a a quality starter in the MLB, you can have a fun team and and supplement that fun young team with a few veteran splash free agents. Not going to be your Juan Stoos, but your mid-level guys that you can go sign. Yeah, I I I know. I think it was Lux. Yeah, Lux in the chat says Montford would never spend 500 mil like the Jays did with Vlad. You’re not wrong. I mean, I I don’t see a world in which he would do that. But to answer the question that Scott was asking uh in the chat just a little bit ago, uh basically asking, you know, if you know, if the Rockies started winning, could you climb that ladder of being a team that, you know, spends a little bit more as goes from being a mid to small market team to a larger market team? Um it could grow. I I don’t know if you change the market size of the team. But I do think if you realize that investing in a baseball team makes your team better and you make more money in turn, it’s it’s cyclical and that could continue to, you know, snowball. The the Rockies will never end up being the Dodgers ever. They won’t even be close. They probably will never even end up being the Blue Jays. But if you have more confidence in the decision-making people who are making the baseball decisions, not just Dick Montford, not just Bill Schmidt, if you hire someone that you trust to make good baseball decisions and let’s say they’ve already shown that they’ve made good baseball decisions in Colorado and now you have a let’s just say Tariq Scooel or you have a you know Vlad Vlad Guerrero Jr. on your team and they’re going to be owed $400 plus million dollars, maybe it’s considered, right? The Rockies aren’t a poor team. They can spend money if they want to. They they’re just hesitant to do that because it tends to come back and bite them in the butt because I don’t know, they’ve had bad people making bad decisions. So, um, if you have someone that you trust where they where this president of baseball operations comes to you and says, “We obviously know how good this guy is. this guy’s going to keep being good. We need to invest in this player to keep them here and it’s going to cost a lot of money. I think the Montforts will be more willing to invest in that if they could see the return in the future. So, it all starts with getting the right people in place and we all know that. Um, so yeah, I I do want to ask how long how long of a leash do we give this new GM president of baseball operations? How long until we could realistically see the Rockies being good again? And I know it’s kind of a sub subjective what if question, but let’s play that game here. Let’s let’s uh let’s indulge that conversation after this next break. Well, I want to give some love to our friends right now over at game time because it’s hockey season. And uh in my opinion, there’s no better time than baseball season, but the second best time of the season sports-wise is hockey season. And the ABS look pretty damn good. They’re a 40-1, I think, to start their season. Yep. No regulation losses yet. No regulation losses. 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So last night I had Kale Mar to get a point, Archer Lechin to get a point, Valerie Nushkin to get a point, and the ABS to win the game and boosted 30% on the uh bet 365 app and I basically was like 6 to1 odds and I hit it. You love it. You love to see it. Use that code DNVR365 when you sign up. See why it’s never ordinary at Bet 365. Must be 21 or older, physically located in Colorado. Please gamble responsibly. If you were someone who has gambling problem and wants help, car text 1800 gambler. All right. How long how long until the Rockies are good again? It it from where we stand right now, Rocky’s lost 119 games. The roster is rough. It feels like decades away, but a new front office. We saw the Royals change things within a year. Not saying that the Rockies should be a playoff team next year, but what are you expecting to see? So, some of the comments are basically taking the words out of my mouth. Uh Scott saying six, cold, lefty saying five. I’m right in that five to six range, too. agree. Um, but Luke Luke’s comment there at the bottom of uh 63 wins in 2026, then 527 playoff contender 28. Wow. I’m I’m close to that, but I think I’m one year behind that. Like next year, I expect the Rockies to win between 50 and 60 games. And then 2027, I would like them to be close to 500 if we’re playing baseball. Yeah. If we’re playing baseball in 27, we’re just assuming that baseball is not going to be stopped at all and we’re going to go right on this same realm that we’ve been on. I think 2027 it’d be nice to see them win 70 gamesish and be like be on the on the graphic in the start of August of like, hey, you’re six to seven games out of the Wild. Be like Marlin’s bad. Like that kind of thing where you’re like, if you get hot, you could actually make the playoffs. If you win like, you know, 10 of 11 or something like that, you could be in a playoffs, but you’re also not a good team. But you’re also not a good team yet. Yep. And then 2028, I’d like to see them be like that’s when we should have, you know, Condan should definitely be up and be almost a veteran at that point. Maybe see Ethan Holiday by that point. Those kind of guys. 2028, you’re like, “All right, now this is the year we expect to win 80 plus games. We expect to be going into the middle to end of September with a chance to make a wild card spot and then we’ll see where it goes from there.” So, I’m pretty close to Luke’s, but I think I’m just one year off of that. I’m I’m going to I’m usually pretty optimistic. I’m usually I mean, God, I I went on the radio before the season started and said, “I think the Rockies are going to be better this year.” Us too, Felix. Yeah. Us too, Felix. We uh we we tend to lean a little more uh purple glasses here on the show. I’m going to go the opposite direction. I think it’s going to take a while. And I’m not saying it’s going to take 10 years. I think I’m I’m with Scott. Maybe 6 years, maybe seven years. And the reason I say that is because I think I think it’s going to take a long time for whoever whoever comes in and and gets hired. I think it’s going to take a while to fix the the hole that the Rockies are in right now. The Rockies are the 24th ranked minor league system uh or minor league organization in the minor league system. And they’re by far the worst team in in baseball. And there’s not really any big hope on the horizon. Yes, you’ve got Charlie Condan if he can progress the way that you hope he is. But he’s just one guy. Yes, you have Ethan Holiday in a couple years, but again, that’s assuming both of those players at least meet expectations. Um, you have a couple decent pitching prospects that could be good. But you’re just you you watch playoff baseball this year, you watch the Blue Jays, you watch even the Guardians and the teams that kind of snuck in the Rock and the Tigers. The Rockies are nowhere near that. The Marlins, even I just use them as an example, are a good couple leaps and bounds ahead of where the Rockies, you know, are right now. So, I just I think it’s going to take a long time for whoever comes in to kind of flush out all of the gunk that’s been left behind by the previous administration. Need a rotorooer. Yeah, you got to you got to really flush that out, man. It’s going to take a while. and and then install some fresh flowing water to to your your plumbing system. Filtered water that you know that this person this new person coming in and say and building a new roster can say this is the roster I hang my hat on. Um I just think I think it’s going to take some time. So I I’m not in a hurry. Although I’m sure like Felix, I’m going to be sitting here next season when the Rockies are 1 and 20 in the start of April. April’s rough. April is brutal that April schedule and I’m going to be pounding my fist on the table saying why can’t we be good now? Uh I hope that Dion clips this and and plays it for us in the month of April when we’re crashing out and reminds us that you know this is going to be a long uphill battle and uh shout out to whoever comes in hopefully has to fix this for us. Yeah, I’ve got an interesting hypothetical for you here. Okay, put your uh put your Rockies uh you know your GM hat on or or whatever this we know this season was bad obviously 43 wins is all you need to know but realistically if you look at the Rockies roster right now or or going into this season and obviously we were we were a lot higher on it than most and we were wrong which is fair but if if all of your most of your starters you can’t have perfect health that doesn’t happen in the MLB in any professional sport but if the Rockies would have had better health and gotten and expectations. You know, the only guy to ex really exceed expectations this year for us was Hunter Goodman, right? Hey, don’t forget Jimmy Herget. Jimmy Hut. Jimmy Hut as well. So, there was like five or six guys that you believe the Doyles, the Tovars that are MLB players, if all five or six of those guys that we kind of expected, and we can leave Tolia completely out of this cuz that was just a disaster. How many wins do you think the Rockies would have actually had this season if those five or six guys like uh Luke is saying they only see five or six players on our ML MLB players on our roster? Where do how how good do you think the Rockies would have been? Because I personally believe like you have a healthy Felner all year. Freeland doesn’t have the injuries. Hermmon Marquez doesn’t have the injuries and was okay. And then you have like the White Socks. Yeah. Like Yeah. And I think they’re like terrible. Yeah. I think the Rockies roster this year was obviously a 43 win team. We’re just speculating here, but I think the actual roster itself is about a 55 win team realistically. Like there was just so they’re bad. Yes, I’m not saying they weren’t, but there’s so much that went wrong. I do think this roster is as presented right now a little bit better than they actually played this year and and had the Kyle Farmers and the RCAs. And that’s the [ __ ] I don’t want to see anymore. And that’s the [ __ ] I really hope with a new new management we won’t see is like wasted signings of guys that are just not they’re not we’re not good enough to have filler guys to be at the end of the bench. Like if you sign Orlando and he never plays or he plays like two games a year at shortstop because you got you know a rest day for somebody fine. But when you’re going out and starting him at first base when he’s never played first base in his career or his life as a 13-year vet like you got issues, right? Oh yeah. The the roster organization was terrible. Um, Scott says, “I’m hoping I’m not bald by the time they start winning again.” I’m already going that way. So, yeah. How how long until you get there, Scott? I mean, are we talking five years, 10 years? Cuz it’s going to it’s going to be a second. I I do think it’s going to take a second for uh for all of this to pan out. But, um, but you got to start somewhere. But my point being, I don’t think they’re as bad as they actually were this year. Like, realistically, I know it’s hard to say, but I don’t think so. Yes, sure, they could be better. And you could put the manager in there as well. Like, you know, if if if Bud Black’s not taking Kyle Freeland out in the first game after 70 pitches when he probably throws a complete game shutout, like they should have won. The Rockies should have won game number one, right? I mean, you could you can split hairs all you want. The Rockies are, like you said, a bad team. Yes, maybe if you have everything go right, you’re less of a bad team, but it there’s still just such a hole that you have to dig yourself out of if you’re the new president of baseball operations, if you’re new you’re the new GM. And the reality is unfortunately the new hire is going to have to do a lot more fixing before they can do building. And that’s that’s why it’s going to take a while for this this organization to get back on track. But again, you have to start somewhere, you No, I mean it’s you can’t just keep twiddling your thumb saying, “Oh, maybe one day we hope God hope it was the the the it’s like, you know, you know how you can mute certain words on Twitter?” That’s like the word that I wanted to mute over the last couple years for Rocky’s fans cuz I felt like this organization every time they would talk, every time you’d hear a Manford speak, every time you’d hear Bill Schmidt speak or even Bud Black at times speak, it was like, you know, h you know, we hope that this this and this goes right. We hope that we hope that Chris Bryant is our veteran slugger. And I’m like, God, why? Like, what what what do you mean? What do you mean you hope that Chris Bryant’s your veteran slugger? Go find a veteran slugger if you you know, I mean, you can’t keep doing that. So, yeah, this the Rockies are finally taking action, which God, it took 20 years, but here we are. This team buying this team, or I should say being the GM of this team is you’re not buying an empty lot. You’re buying a lot with an a complete [ __ ] on it, and you have to decide which pieces you have to take out. Do you have to demolish the whole thing? Do you have to take out every single thing and rip it down to the 2x4s? Like, this isn’t an empty lot where you just get to envision this beautiful house that you’re going to build. Like, you’ve got a lot of work to do before you even get to the the empty lot with just the foundation and then you can build the nice house. Yeah. This is the type of thing though that, you know, I mean, we see it with all those all those Red Sox documentaries. If whoever comes in, this new GM, this new president of baseball operations, someone needs to be recording stuff around the organization because if this person can turn around the dumpster fire that has been the Colorado Rockies, we will see documentaries made about this 30 for30 on the 20 Colorado Rockies. the savior of the Colorado Rockies. Or you will you will see a documentary made if this person can fix what has been destroyed in years and years of dysfunction in Colorado. Our meme game in 2028, if this team’s good, is going to be on point. And you will see Spencer and I, you’ll see clips from this show being played of us crashing out about Chris Bryant and, you know, hope and all this kind of stuff. And hopefully, I see, I just just cardinal sinned right there. Uh, the Rockies, we can look back and and uh and look back on these times and laugh and say, “Man, remember when? Remember when?” But um they’re taking a step in the right direction. We got to pause real fast. Last break of the show. After the break, uh let’s talk a little uh let’s talk a little postseason action because the postseason is crazy right now. We’ll be back after this. All right. Um before we hit postseason stuff, no Rocky’s gold gloves this year. Yes, Ryan McMahon could technically get some attribution to the Colorado Rockies. He’s nominated as both a Rocky and a Yankee, but he would be receiving the award as a Yankee. No Rocky’s gold gloves this year. And I just got to say, do you believe in jinxes? Because that 100% was jinxed from the start of the year by our good friend, Mr. Mford, who said the Rocky’s defense has a chance to be one of the best in the history of baseball. So, no Rockies go gloves this year. Uh, this year, uh, plenty of other good teams that have great great defense. The Rockies, unfortunately, this year, we’re just not one of them. One of the worst teams in baseball defensively. Uh, but let’s talk a little postseason. I want to start by before we talk about my Mariners by talking about the Dodgers because the Dodgers have come to life which I guess no one should really be surprised about the fact that the Dodgers have come to life because their regular season started in October. No one get no one second guessed the fact that the Dodgers would be in the world in the the postseason. It was just a matter of can they get to the World Series? Well, here they are steamrolling the Brewers. And this Brewers series to me and to more than just me feels like a precursor to whether or not baseball will be played in in the in the year 2027 because you have this is a sliding doors moment here that we’re watching. Yeah. Because I mean the Dodgers are the epitome of what people believe is wrong with baseball. The Brewers are what Rocky’s fans can hold hang on to as hope that one day we can be like the Brewers and these two teams, the best team on on paper in baseball in the regular season. And the Brewers, small market team, facing off with the big bad Dodgers who bought everything and the spoiled brat that just gets to buy their way to a World Series or to a postseason. They face off and the Dodgers look unbeatable. And I asked the question once again, it would not be the last time I asked this question. Are the Dodgers bad for baseball? You know, the more and more we get through this postseason where uh the Brewers manager is really playing into this whole uh little brother syndrome, too. You don’t like Pat Murphy? No, I like him, but he’s definitely like I saw a couple of quotes from him the last couple days, and you’re like, dude, you you realize you were the team with the best record in the National League this year, right? you realize you started the series at home and now you guys are choking on one and not being able to beat the Dodgers when you had homefield advantage against them. Um, but I I do believe that the Dodgers winning the World Series would be better for not necessarily baseball as a whole, but it would be much better for a team like the Rockies going forward. as much as we’d hate to see them lift another World Series. Well, it certainly would pretty much put a pin or a nail in the coffin for baseball in 2027. Uh because I think right now, you know, uh I almost said Manford. Uh Manfred is is looking for an opportunity. He’s looking for a negotiating tip. He’s looking uh Chip. He’s looking for an opportunity to get some leverage when they go into negotiations at the end of 2026 to say whether or not there should be a salary cap or a salary floor. Well, the Dodgers are giving you that because the Dodgers look unbeatable right now. Um so yeah, that’s uh that’s happening right now. And the other thing that’s happening on the other side on the American League side is the American League Championship Series is 0 and4 for home teams. The Mariners are falling apart. The Blue Jays looked like they were falling apart. What the hell is happening in Seattle and Toronto? Neither of the teams want to win a home game apparently. Crazy. Um, yeah, we saw just outstanding pitching from the Mariners bullpen the first two games. Enough timely hits. I mean, Julio Rodriguez homering the first inning. Like that first inning home run, which we’ve gotten a lot of first inning home runs in the past couple championship series games. It just kind of baseball is so intense and we talked about how intense the playoffs are that it kind of like takes the lid off and lets everybody relax. It’s almost better when there’s a run scored early I think for both teams cuz it’s not that it’s like all right the first runs out of the way. Let’s play baseball now, you know, versus every pitcher is just so dialed in and and Ashby last night giving up a leadoff triple to Otani, then a double and they’re already down one nothing and you’re like, “Oh, well, this game is probably cooked.” and they bring in Mizowski who was great and but they just there’s just not enough like if you you would would an all-star team of the Mariners, the Blue Jays, and the Brewers be able to beat the Dodgers. You think? Yes. You think if you put all the best players out there on those teams, they beat the Dodgers? Cuz there’s a lot of holes right now in the Mariners lineup, in the Brewers lineup. The Brewers lineup. I was reading stats and the Brewers lineup almost as a whole is like batting, you know, 150. The Mariners lineup the same. Uh the Mariners are just a mess right now. Who’s been the biggest flop in the postseason? Show Otani’s batting 193. That’s not good. But he has a team full of allars behind him that helps him out. Randy Rose Arena, Yuanio Suarez is a guaranteed out. Like I I just the Brewers entire offense is a guaranteed out right now. Christian Yelich, where have you been? Like there’s been so many guys on some of these teams that have just been absolute no-shows. Yeah, they got the Brewers got their first run last night on a double from their eight-hole hitter and a single from their nine hole hitter. Nice. Like that’s And even looking at the box score from the Mariners last night before that game kind of got out of hand. I think Naylor was what four for four and the rest of the team was 0 for 17 or 0 for 18 or something crazy like that. Yeah. And the Mariners aren’t known for their hitting, but you know, if your pitching is not helping you out, which that’s always been the thing. The Mariners win like, you know, three to two games type of thing. If you score three runs, your pitching keeps you in the game. But their pitching has, or I should say, Toronto’s offense has now caught up with the Mariners pitching. And now I’m looking at the Mariners offense and I’m like, where where do you manufacture these runs? Because Cal Rley’s, you can’t expect him to hit a grand slam every single game. You can’t expect Julio and Cal to go back to back. You can’t expect Naylor to do everything by himself. Like, you need some depth there. And for the Brewers, you just need anyone. You just need somebody. Somebody please get a hit. Contrarus has been not that great and kind of flip-flopping back and forth series, but like Andre Jimenez being a nine-hole like you always have these stars in the postseason and a nine-hole hitter hits backtoback home runs back to back home runs in backto-back games that change the outlook of the entire game. I mean Ernie Clement who is basically Roberto Clemente at this point, he is on pace to have the highest batting average in the postseason in the history of baseball right now. dude hitting like 460 or something like it was 500 before this is the guy that you’re like trying not to get beat by you know I mean the Mariners see Ernie Clement come up and they’re like uh oh we got to pitch around this guy can’t let him beat us. Yeah it’s like when flashback to when the Rockies played the Blue Jays remember and it was like three straight games of the Blue Jays scoring 17 runs. I think Clement had like nine hits in the series and I’m like who’s this guy? I I very much remember that. Yes. Yes. And and these series, I will say the Yankees series against the Blue Jays, now the Mariners series against the Blue Jays have made me feel better as a Rockies fan because yes, the Rockies got scored outscored 46 to three or something like that. It was it was crazy. 46 to four maybe. Uh but at least we aren’t the only ones. I mean, yeah, these don’t look as bad, but they don’t look good. Yeah, the Blue Jays are him offensively. The Blue Jays are making the best pitching rotation in baseball look like the Rockies starting pitching. So, uh, yeah, the Blue Jays, I I do think, I hate to say this, as a former and now resurgent Mariner fan, um, going back to my roots and rooting for the Mariners, I think the Blue Jays and the Dodgers are inevitable. I I I think it was a shock to me that the Mariners won the first two at home. That was insane. And good on the Mariners pitching for just being dominant like we expected them to. But I I I think if if the unbiased version of myself is saying who’s the best World Series matchup, it’s the Blue Jays and the Dodgers. And I I just don’t see a world in which we see anything other than that, especially for the Dodgers. I mean, the Dodgers have the World Series in a lock, but I don’t know if the Mariners can do it, man. I don’t think they’ve got it. Is uh is the MLB is the seven game series are 323, correct? Or three, excuse me, 232, I believe. The M’s have one more home game to try to flip the series. Um, I don’t think your M’s are dead yet. I know you’re being typical kind of like fan of you’re crashing out a little bit and I don’t blame you because I would I would be doing the same thing. If this was the Rockies and they were up two nothing, winning both games on the road and they came back to Kors Field and lost two in a row, I’d be crashing out as well. But I don’t think I’d count the Mariners out just quite yet. Just like Burj said, I I think if I think I think the winner, this is a very like John Madden statement, but I think the winner of tonight’s game wins the series. Okay. You you were just saying if you were a Rockies fan and you were in this position, you’d be crashing out. If the Rockies were either the Brewers in the same position as the Brewers or in the same position as the Mariners, which would you be crashing out more? So, insert the Rockies as the Brewers or insert the Rockies as the Mariners this year. And you know, this is our first return to the postseason. You, you know, if you’re the Brewers, you had the best record in baseball all year, and now you’re about to get swept or you just went up two to nothing, so close to your first World Series, and now you’ve given up two games at home. Which one would you be crashing out as a fan more on? I think it’d be worse if you’re a Brewers fan right now. Yeah, because the Brewers, like you said, best record in baseball, man. they have home home field advantage against the Dodgers. Everybody like it’s more annoying when everybody says you can’t do something and then you prove them right. And that’s exactly what the Brewers are doing right now. I think everybody wanted to believe in the Brewers and everybody after they won their series, you know, their second series and got to the NLCS, you’re like, “Oh, maybe the Brewers are kind of legit when they beat the Cubs and took them down, you know, it took them game five to do it, but they did.” and you’re like, “Oh, maybe the Brewers are legit and now they’re playing the team that everybody’s like, “No, you have no chance at proving us exactly right, unfortunately, in that scenario.” And showing us that they do not in fact have a chance. And I mean, when the Dodgers are like the Dodgers pitching has been kind of questionable just as on a Dodgers level, like if the Rockies had the Dodgers, you mean the Dodgers bullpin has been questionable. Their starters have been absurd. Yeah. But they’ve had guys like hurt and you don’t know what Glass Now is, but now it’s like glass now is just unbelievable. Max Sherzer is unbelievable. Yamamoto’s unbelievable and then Blake Snell almost threw a no hitter the other night. So, it’s like how you beating that? Yeah. Yeah. No, I I agree. It’s also the Dodgers. If the Rockies had the best record in the entire regular season, you wouldn’t be able to take those purple tinted glasses off my face. If you shot me in the head, I I would have those things on so hard. And I super glued to the side of my face. Super glued to the side of my face. And then and then to show up against the Dodgers, the hype would be unbelievable. We would be off we’d be on the moon and and then to give up three consecutive games, like you said, with homefield advantage and against the and be looking at a probable sweep against the Dodgers, I’d be crashing out so hard as a fan against the Dodgers. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, because you’re you you beat your division. feel really good about this. And then you go into this series like, “Oh my god, we have a chance to make it to the World Series.” And then that team that’s been just kind of plotting along, doing what they do is now just getting extremely hot at the right time. And they’re their lineup is just so you go from Otani to Freeman to to Oscar Hernandez to Well, they’re all just veterans. Like there there’s no young guys. They’re all just experienced veterans. Like some of these other teams like the Blue Jays have a bunch of young dudes. the Mariners, you know, I mean, they’ve kind of they’re kind of a mixed bag, but they’ve got a bunch of young pitching. Like the Blue Jay or the the Dodgers are just a bunch of good vets. So, yeah, it’s it’s been a fun series, but man, this is getting interesting. World Series going to be coming up here real quick. Uh we’re going to we’re going to end the show right here and uh and call it a day cuz it’s been a long week. We’re hoping we get some news in the coming weeks for the Rockies. Uh but thank you guys for hanging out with us. Like I said, the show’s not going away. We’re just moving to Tuesday, Tuesday at noon. Um, so we’ll see you guys on Tuesday. Thanks for riding with us. We’ll be back for more Rocky’s coverage next week. This has been the DNVR Rockies podcast. We’ll see you next time. [Music] [Applause] [Music]

The Rockies have a long way to go before they can be considered competent again, let alone competitive. But so far, the team seems to be headed down the right paths. Are the Rockies finally turning a corner organizationally? Christian Saez and Spencer Smith discuss on the DNVR Rockies podcast.

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