Zac Jackson on Dillon Gabriel, Kevin Stefanski vs. Mike Vrabel & Browns plans at the trade deadline

Zac Jackson on Dillon Gabriel, Kevin Stefanski vs. Mike Vrabel & Browns plans at the trade deadline

Zach Jackson in here. Zach Jackson’s brought to us by prize picks. Every day we make decisions, but on prizes being right, can actually get you paid. Don’t miss the excitement of this football season with prize picks where it’s good to be right. Playing prizes is a fun, simple way to add more excitement to football. You just pick or less on player projections and you’re in the game. Download the prizes out today and use promo code lockdown NFL to get $50 in lineups after you play your 1st $5 lineup. That’s go lockdown NFL for $50 off after you play your 1st $5. Prizes, it’s good to be right. All right, uh, here we go, Zach, uh, good to see you again. And, uh, are you, are the, the Browns going to New England this week. Yesterday, Dustin said he thinks the, the, the Browns will cover. Are you buying what he’s selling? You know, for the Browns to be in it, it’s got to be a low scoring game to try to keep it within a touchdown, right? So. Um, we’ll see, you know, Drake May has been awesome, probably hasn’t faced a defense like this. Uh, they have not given up much in the run game, the Patriots, so it just comes down to what the offense can give the Browns. Are you shocked by Traveon Henderson, his lack of usage? What do you think is happening there? I, I think he’s in the doghouse, you know, and, and not being there. I don’t know why they said there’s been some pass protection errors and that’s why you draft a guy like him, right? But. You know, I think Stevenson’s played well. I think they’ve had their games go a certain way, but yeah, I’m surprised because this guy’s as NFL ready as as could be. It had a great preseason and you know they draft him in the top 40, but it just hasn’t click so far. — Your guy
— Tyvis. I know it’s shocking because he had, he was so explosive in the preseason, and I feel like even Raman Dre Stevenson, he got, he fumbled the ball a couple. it’s like all the scenarios for the backup to get more time, more reps has happened, — but yet they’re not
— going to the number 3. I don’t know what it is him right on the sideline. I ain’t got no time for him coming in and getting out of out of the doghouse on us. That’s the way the Browns work. We haven’t seen you, uh, Traveon oh Travon Henderson 110. 5 carries. No, — I see that you
— guys didn’t tell me it was Jersey Day. Yeah, it was Jersey day, you know, I just, I looked up into this. I was, I interviewed, uh, Dean Evison, the head coach for the Jackets, and they gave me this jersey, — so
— I just put it on. And me, I didn’t go to no bananas games. I just like the pause. That was crazy. That was very crazy. Can you cut that? Yeah, that’s crazy. I got a Mark Sanchez jersey to wear for Halloween. Lion. Lion. He came right back. — She wasn’t
— like oh my God it’s upstairs in the car if anybody wants. I can’t even think of a question. Oh man, let me ask you, so Drake May is doing this well. What, like, OK, so they got Stefon Diggs, but like, who is the person that you think this defense should key on to like stop it? What’s the key to success for the, you know, Drake May, it’s, it’s, it’s what this defense does, right? It’s get off the ball quickly and be disruptive and, and get them out of their flow. So Drake May does make plays on the run, right? but like you, you can’t just let Ramire Stevenson run right at you and make it 2nd and 5, right? And I think they’ll throw to the flats. They’ll attack in a little bit of a way that most teams attack the Browns with quick hitters with misdirection. That’s probably Diggs. That’s probably Pop Douglas, who’s a smaller guy. Uh, Keyshawn Boutte has played pretty well for them, more in a vertical. Hunter Henry’s been catching 8 yard passes in this league for a long, long time. — So it’s just
— you got at a touchdown last week, yeah. I didn’t even, I didn’t even remember he was still think about this journey that this has been. They come in in 2020 and Stefanski wants to run a tight end based offense and they don’t trust David and Joeku because he’s been up and down. This is 5 years ago, so they pay Austin Hooper all of this money to run to one place and turn around and catch it 60% of the and fall down. Yeah, he spent a lot of time on the ground before Cedric Tillman came around. Nobody spent more time on that than Austin Hooper. What is he? At least one more game, at least one more week. And Mike Hall, I watched him yesterday in the locker room, no brace or anything. I imagine he’ll be back after the by and what are we thinking about the same, so you know, they’re just not answering questions on that. Uh, they don’t give us anything, you know, it made sense if he was only gonna miss 5 or 6 weeks and he needed to practice like the injury did, did just happen in January and he had 2 surgeries, but now that he’s gonna miss at least 7 games. You couldn’t have done anything else with that roster spot, yeah, right, — so
— it’s weird that is weird. Look at it, you know, I went back and watched the film, you know, there was, there was a couple of throws where. Gabriel has a wheel route open um to uh Jerome Ford. He used to play where Jerry Judy kind of collisions and he’s like, OK, that was a good one. Then, then on a, on a goal line, you, you also have um Quinshaw Jenkins who was out there in the flat. You’d be just get to him quick. He kinda sees him and then keeps seeing him and then he runs for 4 yards. I, is, is he seeing the field, um, I would say is, is he seeing the field well enough? To take some of the shots downfield to kinda open this thing up, I don’t believe so. Um, I think, you know, when you look at Pittsburgh obviously went really poorly and then last week they didn’t have to and they immediately went in the mode of cool, we’re good, we’re we’re gonna get out of here, right? So it’s a good question. I think that one concern, uh, do you bring up good. Examples there, but the big concern is you would have thought in games 2 and 3 you would see little growth and just early in the games how the offense would play and that hasn’t been there, right? So it’s good that they just ran it and ran it out last week, you know, uh, it’s good that he hasn’t turned the ball over even though about 8 interceptions have been dropped, but they’re going to need to throw it down the field now today. When they get on a practice field, that’s not for about 3 more hours but like Jerry Judy did not practice yesterday with the knee, and we know he’s been bad, but imagine if he doesn’t play. Imagine what that receiving core looks like. Worst in league history absolutely, yeah, so probably, probably it’s, it’s up to you know it’s probably. Probably a hey, we’re in late October, you know, he’s, he’s had 3 weeks of practice. Let’s, let’s rest him. We need him. We need as bad as he’s been, they need him capital need. So ideally this week you’re getting back Conklin, you’re getting back Njoku even if he’s less than 100% and you’re gonna have everybody and you can do some of those things and if you hit a couple early, it puts you in better positions. So to answer your question like. I don’t think they have to push. You would ideally like to, but I don’t think they have to because they’re clearly not comfortable on it in any end and he has not, Gabriel has not been good by any measure. But with these tackles and this receivers like you cannot come out and say that that it’s all, yeah, I don’t, I don’t want no, and I definitely don’t want 58. Give me and I looked at the Pittsburgh field. Give me 2, just even if you, you, even if you just put it on film like, hey, don’t throw it up there. You got, but you know, we’ll, no, I, I agree with that philosophy of, of trying to get it there. Um, there’s different ways to go about it. And I think if, I think last week, had they not gotten up, had to pick 6 to start the second half not happen, I think you would have seen a play action deep shot just to put it on film. If they get that lead, — they don’t
— I I don’t, yeah, they run, they run the wild zone just say yeah we gonna get up out of here with this win. Speaking of wide receiver, and that was in London, the quarterback and the coach did not manage the game in the second half. I do that. Uh, Garrett, yeah, yeah. Garrett Wilson, there’s, it seems silly to me. I can’t imagine the, the Browns trading high draft capital for wide receiver, but people are talking about it. So do you make anything of this? So name one other wide receiver on the New York Jets. OK, exactly, they’re they’re worse than these guys, right. So the Jets wanna trade Garrett Wilson, the price is super, super high, and you’re gonna extend first round pick, right, right, so. Of course you’re gonna talk about it, but are you really going to meet that price right now, you know, when you have so many needs? I, I, I, I don’t know. — I would be
— surprised. I think there’s a contender out there that should possibly. I know this and their actions have proven this. They’re, they’re working the phones. They’re in on trades, right? Not just to be full sellers or whatever they’re looking at options, but that one becoming realistic, it just, it just strikes me as very strange because the Jets aren’t. trade Garrett Wilson for a 4th round pick because the Jets stink, right? So the Jets are going to trade Garrett Wilson if someone completely knocks their socks off. The Jets are gonna have a rookie quarterback next year who’s going to need the support of Garrett Wilson, right? Exactly. The Saints could trade as Chris Oli. — They
— could, they could, and for the right price that would be phenomenal. You have to worry about his concussion history, right? And you have to worry about his contract, but sure, but look, with all these things like if the Browns aren’t going to extend Alex, right. That the Browns should probably trade Alex, right, but if they are, you commit there and you’re gonna have to make up the money somewhere else or you know he’s there, and then in a year you’re probably not signing Isaiah McGuire. So all of these things are tied together for the right price. Should the Browns, and would the Browns trade Wyatt Teller? Yeah, yeah, but like it has to be the right price and then that moves it down to where, where this money’s gone. Teller and Joku and Baton all have big dead money numbers on next year’s cap, and they’re probably thinking even beyond that. You know, but that’s, that’s frustrating because this defense is good enough to to make you something right now and and look. If they just beat the Jets, even if they go to New England and lay an egg this week, that Baltimore game in a few weeks, like there’s still a season going on here. We’re talking about the trade deadline. We’re talking about the future. We’re talking about the offense looking semi-competent, but like there’s still in this AFC North there’s still a season going on here. Don’t look at me like that. You told me they’re gonna win 9 games. I agree with him and Dustin. How many games I didn’t say they was gonna win. — I just said it’s
— there. Yeah, — there’s
— a season and I agree with you. He’s the one who killed you. I just didn’t think it’s gonna happen. — There is a
— season going on here, right? Yeah, there, there is, — there’s not the team
— you play, you just tell it like it is. The most talented team in AFC North is in 4th place right now. That’s true. The Cleveland Browns are awful and are not in 4th place. That is crazy. — That’s nasty
— work. At what point, like, OK, you, we talked about Dylan Gabriel and, and you know, obviously there’s so many different components to him, but Don’t you still want to see Shadoor? Like, are you at the point where it’s like I’ve seen enough, like I want to see Shador, — or do you still want to keep giving
— this thing? Um, I, I think after the Ravens game I wanna get in the mode of who I wanna see and and and what the Ravens it’s the one after the November. They come out of the games they play Baltimore. Um, I, I wanna see this offense try to get better because it’s got nowhere to go but uh right? Um, I want to see this is the first game all year they’re gonna have the same starting offensive line combination for a second game. Right, Jack. Jack Conklin did not play last week, so he’ll be back this week. So they’ll they’ll have the combination for two games. They’re 7 for 7 right now, right? So I, I wanna see, I wanna see after the by if David. Joke who’s on this team, right? I wanna see if there is a scenario where they could find some receiver help, even if it’s just a below average veteran. He’s gotta be better than what they’re trotting out there 100%, you know, can Jerry Judy get out of this slump? Are you? That’s what I want. That’s what I wanna see before I want to see Shoor, but. This is not an NFL offense right now. It’s awful, and they scored 31 points last week because the defense did it for them, right, right, right. Are you, are you sold on what’s the tight end Blake Blake Blake. So, so you, so you would be OK with Trayvon David and Jou knowing that. Embracing the the future and you would be getting something for a player who’s probably no longer in your plans because David and Joker is gonna want a lot of money already. Well, it’s cost you a lot of money because you the dead money you’ve moved up and Harold Fannon is the future at tight end and you’re gonna need a new one anyway because Harold Fanning is not a conventional tight end. Yeah, he’s more of a, he’s he’s more of a gadget, not gadget, — but more of
— Jimmy Jimmy Graham, he’s, I want to play. I don’t, I don’t want him blocking. I, I want you catching him in a mismatch. And they’re doing a great job of moving him around, but yes, they’re never gonna say for the next 10 plays you need to block — this guy and that’s not gonna bets
— he was out there like that, the guy who drafted in that role, he don’t have, he doesn’t have to be. You know, a guy you paying a lot of money too, but you know, here’s what I’m gonna say is that we, uh, Mikey asked us before the show, he said, what do you think about, you know, the Garrett Wilson thing and the receivers. And at, at first she’s just like nah, we’re not gonna do that. We ain’t raising no high draft capital and needs to, but I just don’t have faith that they know what a good receiver look like and I’m, I might as well take my chances on in the trade market and get me somebody that’s kind of developed cause I don’t think they developed receivers. You gotta take into consideration whatever receiver they get, he ain’t getting no better. I have no, that’s he’s a. I don’t like the receiver’s coach. That’s a provable point. — That’s
— a provable and he had the nerve the other week to say we, we like our receiver room. He said, I’m proud of coach. The coach. Why has he stayed here the whole time, Zach? Everybody else has been fired in the offensive staff. — Why is the wide receiver coach O’Shea is a hell
— of a question. Yeah, right, a hell of a question. That is a weird one. But back to we got some dirt on. But what hangs over this whole thing, right? Like who’s gonna be coaching these guys next year? What’s it supposed to look like? They’re at the stage of the season now where you gotta make it look just you gotta get out, squeeze out, and there were a couple new wrinkles last week. They’re throwing tunnels to Malachi Corley, and he was, — he
— got aunt for him, by the way, well, because look who’s, yeah, he’s better than Jamari. He’s a round pick. He’s better than I. He’s better than these guys. Yeah, I mean, — he was
— the — wide
— receiver development piece is huge. They came here. They had Jarvis and Odell. Odell quit the team. Jarvis was at the end of his career. They made a big trade for Mark Cooper. They ended up having to trade him off. They made a big trade for Jerry Judy and, and gave him this money, and he is bottom. They drafted Anthony Schwartz. It was a complete bust, right? — David
— Bell, Elijah Moore. They traded down from the 2nd to 3rd round to get Elijah Moore. So even in the league, yeah, he’s. — They
— drafted Mike Woods. Yeah, guys who have never played. They never, these dudes don’t even, they got jobs, man. 401ks. I think they gotta have a conversation with Chad after this season. — Like there’s no way that I mean there’s no
— overall draft because it’s, it’s every year, whatever the thing has been the worst, like they’ve they’ve at least addressed it. Now they are come in and lie to us all season and tell us that they good but after the season’s over, they at least — address
— what it — was
— and you can’t even sit and say, well, Carnell Jacksonville’s is the answer because you have so many needs. You don’t, — you don’t know that
— if it wasn’t for the blind spotted tackle in line. We would be OK, but you got tackle and receiver. — I
— think Harold Fannon and Quin Judkins are the two best offensive players that this group has acquired as of now. No, yeah, Amari Cooper, no, no, right now on the current roster. Oh yeah, yeah, which is crazy. That that means in the past 5 years you’ve acquired. That’s right. That’s if you did then they — they’re now get
— to this point with your skills and things have gone severely, yeah, yeah, yeah. Match that with an offensive line group that starts 5 guys who aren’t under contract and at least 3.5 guys who are past their prime. — And Wyat Teller was wasn’t Wyat
— acquired by Dorsey Dorsey in a in in August of 2008. So with all that being said, is there, do you see a world where they keeping and move on from or do you think, I don’t think they’re tied together, I think that’s better explored in a in a month here ins, but I don’t think they’re necessarily tied together. Because like it’s not a fair world and it’s not judged on one thing, you know, — you could
— stop saying that. — I didn’t
— say I didn’t say there was. — I
— think, I think, look, I think logically if you say that we’re moving on that this just didn’t work and it even though we extended these guys 18 months ago, it’s time to move on. I think they both go. But we’re talking about we gotta watch this offense, we gotta watch this quarterbacks, we haven’t developed any wide receivers in that stadium optically what it’s gonna look like when Buffalo fans and Pittsburgh fans are here and what that offense looks like. Yeah, right, it’s, it, it, that is what’s going to drive, right? I I know the decision. If they lose on Sunday, they’re 2 and 6 for the second year in a row. They’re the bottom 5 in every single offensive category for the second year in a row, right, right, so like. Yeah, I don’t listen, if they finish with 34 wins, you can’t bring back the coach to me, especially because if you do draft a quarterback in the first round, and then if they get off to a bad start, then they, they are gonna fire him the following year. And now you have a rookie quarterback who has 2 coaches in 2 years, — which is a
— disaster. And there’s also a world. Here where the offense continues to stink, but you beat the Jets, you beat the Raiders, you upset the Niners who are down 30 guys, and now you’ve won games, right? And, and now you’re picking like 12th and 16th, but you’ve had some momentum, right? I, I, I, I think this and this easy to say on this week and this right now like. Jim Schwartz is the best thing that this organization has done because this is his defense, right? And other, he’s not picking all the players, but Malik Collins fits his defense. Miles Garrett can fit any defense, but they’ve done a pretty good job of getting around. Green Deal’s having his best season. He is right, right, like Rashaw Jenkins, 4th tier free agent, — he’s
— played Ray Jenkins. I said, who’s this 5. Alex Wright looks like he’s finally, you know, — reaching his promise
— there. So that that’s what you have to decide is who’s gonna be here. The, the Tyson Campbell move indicates that they think Jim Schwartz is gonna be here. Signing Malik Collins at 30 years old on a team that’s tanking or semi tanking for two like that says they think he’s gonna be here. So what Jim Short is, I mean, we’re looking at, I don’t know, who knows, but would, would if they fired Steanski. Good question. And didn’t hire Schwartz to be the head coach. Would he stay as DC, you think? I mean, that would be up to the new head coach and it’d be up to him, right? But do you think he would like, if, if they wanted him to, do you think he would? I don’t know. And and let me ask you a question because this, this goes back a little bit with the whole Greg Williams thing, right? Remember when Greg Williams, he got the intern job and people, he got an interview, but it was this foregone conclusion that they. not let him be head coach. Why is it the thought process that Jim Shorts would never get another head coaching job or why he wouldn’t be a guy? Is he because he’s a defensive guy and they want. Yeah, I don’t think it’s the same as Greg. I think people just considered Greg toxic. I mean he doesn’t work in the league right now. I don’t know that that’s, I, I think that Jim probably has not gotten more interviews because he’s not a young offensive guy. That’s who’s gotten the bulk of the yeah yeah so. Will he, if this defense balls out like this the rest of the year, will he, would he be a candidate here somewhere else? Does that? I don’t know, and he’s never gonna give us an answer in front of the microphone, but I don’t think that he’s like just not a candidate. I think he’s not been. You, you’re one of the first people that I heard say like I don’t, we’ll see, but I don’t think he’s in that ilk because a lot of people go foregone conclusion that they just wouldn’t even look at him. Yeah, yeah, I won’t, Zach, Zach’s right, uh, that you know, the, the offensive coach, the young offensive coach is the odd thing. I like Brian Flores. Yes, I, I think that’s not true because uh. What’s what’s the coach that just went to Atlanta, Raheem Morris. He’s a defensive minded guy. He’s not saying it. I’m not saying it never happened. — I’m
— just saying that over the last couple of weeks I’ve got my coach and GM like I went back and look who’s interviewed the last two years in other places. It’s mostly yeah, right, right. I can’t believe we have to ask this question, but I will ask it anyway because I think. Rossi asked it in the press conference. Uh, is there anything to this not getting first team reps? I think it’s a little bit strange. Um, — you do think
— yeah, I mean the guy’s turned ankle from one concussion check from upstairs. Drake May had to leave the game for two plays last week because the upstairs they thought he had a concussion. So how could he not get one rep during the week? Now just because that’s the answer doesn’t mean that that’s what’s happening, but that struck me. So you weren’t buying what he was saying about, well, he, uh, — Dylan did because
— Flacco, no, I buy that. I buy that he’s telling the truth there. It strikes me as strange that your backup quarterback wouldn’t get 3 plays over the court. You’ve been in a lot of football practices, getting ready for games. At some point, the backup is supposed to get some reps, right? You know what, how a lot of teams did it was, so you do your. Entire practice and then at the end you finish with a competition period and it’s usually ones on ones or twos on twos and stuff like that and those are the periods where like even for me as a young guy like they can be like, you know what, go ahead and take my reps from me. I don’t, — I don’t need these go do so
— you got to reps like — you would see
— some young Gabriel’s not gonna say that to. But that would be the moment because it’s like 3 plays. It’s like, alright, we’re going to play for a first down. We’re gonna do 3 plays. OK, — because it doesn’t matter
— just to be scripted in for one and they are very like situationally sound like they go over every detail or try to. So that that struck me as a a real answer. I thought it was a great question and I thought it was, you know, I wasn’t running to make it the headline of the week on the athletic or anything, but I thought that was pretty interesting. Alright, listen, if he, I, I always tell people like this, man. I if, if he goes into, if Dillon Gabriel gets hurt. He better be ready to go. That’s right. And the way he acts, that’s the mentality, that’s the mentality he gotta have and, and, and the mentality is, hey, it’s my opportunity, you know how, listen, I’m sure Tom Brady when he came in for Drew Bledsoe didn’t think he was coming out. So yeah, be ready to let’s go, uh, you know, it’s, you know, it could be working where you, you get the reps, you don’t get the reps. But you’re 2 seconds away from playing, so when you get in, and much what you just said, like the minute they traded Flacco, like should or should have taken 5 minutes to process it and then like this is my chance. The carrot is dangling right in front of me. I’m not at the back of the line anymore. Like I have to be ready. There’s no way that he’s sitting there watching how this all. plan and thinking to himself that I won’t get an opportunity like he he would be fooling himself if he thought like if Dillon was out there threading the thing, throwing 3 touchdowns a game, right, right, they got they got. But but the way that this thing is going, he better be ready to go. Have you noticed the so people made a thing about being a 3rd team and a second team quarterback. What I thought was cool was I saw a little bit of change in the way he started answering questions when he was a 2nd team quarterback. Have you seen more of a, a level of, OK, I’m, yeah, I’m, — I’m gonna put my nose down and
— get that’s the only interview he’s done, so I, I, I don’t know, um, in in the season we’re allowed to watch stretching and that’s it and on Fridays they don’t even let us in until the stretching is over, so we go out and I wander down to see who’s running the offensive line drills and then they start throwing passes and like they’re through one drill and then we’re out. Is that a Brown’s decision or is that an NFL? It’s it’s across the league now. I think they probably, you don’t get shut out of stretching, um, in other places, but yeah. Everybody’s everybody’s only watching the individual. We, we watch every minute of camp and that’s why it’s so important to get a feel for. But once the season starts before shoot, as soon as camp ends, right, we, we get 15 minutes of viewing. — And
— did that change with COVID — or
— no, that’s, that’s always been, it’s always been that way, yeah, — I think that
— stinks. I mean, listen, we don’t had a bunch of gambling stuff. You don’t want nobody being like, guess what I saw in practice today, — not saying
— that but that’s not the reason they’re doing it. — I’m just
— saying can’t do it. They probably can’t y’all can’t gamble, can you? Um, but my company, no, um, but like somebody who just covers the Browns for, yeah, right. — Jeff
— Chaddel could probably do it. See, here we go. Listen, this is why you put names out there. I under no circumstances will we have names being mentioned, yeah, anyway, alright, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

In what felt like a significant game for the overall temperature of an inconsistent operation, the Cleveland Browns overwhelmed the Miami Dolphins 31-6 on Sunday.

With an interception return for a touchdown by Browns cornerback Tyson Campbell on the first play of the second half, the Cleveland defense put its stamp on things and pretty much knocked out a Miami team that didn’t do much punching back. For the Browns and their frustrated best player, defensive end Myles Garrett, it was the get-right game that everyone needed. For Garrett specifically, it provided the kind of game script for pass rushers that he has openly discussed as both desired and necessary. With the Dolphins down and largely hopeless, Garrett and the Cleveland defense teed off as part of the Browns moving to 2-5 and snapping a three-game losing streak.

A week after Garrett said every loss feels the same and then followed up by saying he wished the Browns’ offense had run more last week in Pittsburgh, Garrett’s postgame words Sunday were of the more positive variety.

Playing dominant defense is the only hope the Browns have of salvaging something of this season and changing the team’s overall outlook, so the vibe from the home locker room after picking off Tua Tagovailoa three times and sending the 1-6 Dolphins to their third straight loss was one of relief and reinforcement. | https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6731828/2025/10/19/browns-defense-myles-garrett-dolphins/

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