Should the Browns start Shedeur Sanders moving forward after another BAD game from Dillon Gabriel?

Should the Browns start Shedeur Sanders moving forward after another BAD game from Dillon Gabriel?

Because there’s plenty to get into. If you want to watch this Browns offense in person. Uh, good luck and get mentally checked, but you should use game time if you want to buy tickets to go watch this train wreck live because game time is where the fans go. The real fans go to get their tickets online. Game time is 100% authentic, delivers your tickets in on time and has the best prices around. The fees are included in the prices. So the price you see is the price you pay. Download the game time map, create an account and use promo code locked on NFL for $20 off your first purchase. Once again, that is promo code locked on NFL for $20 off. Swipe, tap, ticket and go download game time today. So in you in case anyone missed it after the game, Kevin Steansy went to the press conference and opened his press conference by saying we’re going to evaluate everything. And then about 90 seconds in and you can go find exactly where he says it. He was asked, Does that mean you’re sticking with Dylan Gabriel and Kevin’s the fancy responded, quote, Yes, it does. So if you want to go find the exact bite, it’s 92 seconds into his press conference yesterday. Mary Kay Cabot, Zach Jackson, Daniel Defusi, all the beat reporters tweeting out the news as he delivered it. We all saw what Dylan did yesterday, guys, and Gee, I want you to go 2nd on this because you and I talked about on the show and I want to start with Jason because he’s the only one that hasn’t really given us his thoughts on the quarterback yet, but Jason. He’s sticking with Dylan Gabriel. In my opinion, this was the worst Dylan Gabriel performance we have seen to date in his four starts. And if you were in charge, would you make a quarterback change or is the Browns and Kevin Steansky going about this in the right manner by sticking with Dylan? Here’s the thing. How did we get here? They signed and I, I was against Flacco. I was against the Flacco signing. I told you that at the time. Why are you signing for your quarterback? The fact is they had two veteran quarterbacks. And now somehow we have a 3rd round rookie and a 5th round rookie and a Bailey zappy. Like how think about it, how did you wind up in this position and I’ll go back to like. Why did you trade Kenny Pickett? Why? Because he pulled his hamstring in training camp. That’s, that is the answer. So, so you trade the guy who very likely was gonna be your starting quarterback for the year, but you trade him for a 5th because he pulled his hamstring. And, and now, and you can go back and relitigate the Flacco thing and what Tomlin said and if Kevin was on board all that, the reality is you started the year with two veterans and now you’ve got a 3rd round pick and a 5th round pick. You wanna change quarterbacks? Go ahead, change quarterbacks. I don’t know how, what’s really gonna I mean Jay laid it out. I’ve been saying it all along. The receivers are terrible alliances. There’s no talent on this offense, so I don’t know what quarterback. You’re gonna put in there that is available to you that’s gonna, that’s gonna change this or save this. I don’t know. The Jets had no talent on their offense yesterday and they score 40 points. What happened? I didn’t watch that game. — Was their
— defense that bad? Yes, — their defense is
— that bad. OK, congratulations. The Jets now have 1 win. Oh, OK, — but the point is
— they’re just as bad as the Browns. But their offense yesterday for as bad as it is, was way better than I’ve seen the Browns’ offense in 2 years. Why? I don’t know. I don’t watch the game. — I
— don’t watch the game because the Bengals’ defense they made, they made a lot of plays. Yes, the Bengals’ defense stinks. The Patriots’ defense wasn’t that good yesterday. The Browns just stink. Yeah, they do. The Jets and the Browns are in the same league. That’s, — that’s where they
— Patriots defense was great yesterday. Well, every defense looks pretty good against the Browns. I, I just, it’s hard and and that’s that point. They get consistent qualify what you’re seeing like what did what Miami did to Atlanta was confounding to me yesterday. Like, I don’t know if they rallied around McDaniel because they, they, they learned he’s not going anywhere. I don’t know what that was all about, but it’s such an odd league. My point Miami and the Jets can go out and play as well as they did yesterday. — But
— it’s everybody but point is is that every other team. Has looked good on offense at least 1 or 2 — times this year
— and the Browns scored 31 against Miami. They did look good on offense. No, they didn’t, but they, you just told me the Jets scored 39. Well, the Browns scored. What I just said was other teams have looked good on offense. The Jets looked good on offense yesterday. — The Browns have not looked good on offense once because we don’t
— have good players. — He even do the
— Jets. Here, here’s the reality. They were better than the Bengals’ defense yesterday. Here’s the reality. We’ve all been told these dudes told us from the analytical approach that they were in lockstep. They picked the players together. They choose the guys. It was all go together. There it is. It was a group decision. The Easter Bunny did not pick the players. Kevin the fans and Andrew Barry did. Santa Claus didn’t pick the players. So if you’re sitting here. Saying well they’re bad. Who picked the bad players? They did. Who, who, who coaches the bad players? Who puts the like they, you can’t, this is what I told you two years ago, it’s gonna get it to a point where you can’t take a guy and Kevin’s not gonna get separated to the side anymore. He’s gonna have to own his mess. He’s gonna, and, and if he wants to play Dylan, trot him out there. Keep explaining to us why he’s playing and he’s gonna show us in real time you. Don’t know what you’re talking about because you told us in the draft this was your handpicked quarterback. It is the exact reason Shadora Sanders doesn’t get reps because he’s gonna give every opportunity for Dillon Gabriel to throw his way out of Purgatory. He, it’s the reason he dropped back 58 times against the Steelers. The jig is up, Kevin. We understand what it is. We get it. And when you don’t have Quinshaw Jenkins to prop him up, you see what happens. The offense is terrible. Kevin Steinsky has been outcoached by all types of coaches. The offense is JV High School, Lakewood, Saint Edge dump offs. His best play was a tight end corner route and from Fanning. And after that happened, guess what? Mark Schleer even said, hey, what, wow, look at these little receivers that the Browns have. Maybe they should get a guy that that can go up and get one of those jump balls or something. He’s talking to this, he’s talking to them like he’s playing at at at Toledo or, or Eastern Michigan playing against Ohio State. This and this is what they keep telling us is acceptable. I don’t know what’s worse. The fact that they told you that they was gonna try to do this and or the fact that they trying to sell it to you in real time like that’s an excuse. We told you we’re gonna be bad. That’s not an excuse, you’re bad. People get fired for that. I don’t understand any of this. I don’t understand how this dude is. Jay, — how is
— he still here? What did you make of Vrabel’s comment after the game? I, I wanna put him on the couch. Oh, it was. I did. — It was a it was it was
— a shot about the gimmick thing. Yeah, it’s a shot, but why is he taking a shot at him like there’s, I think he’s a competitor. I, he’s a competitor, yeah, but I also think there’s, there’s something in the relationship between Kevin and Mike. Mike is snarky by nature. I mean, if you know Mike, you know he’s snarky. And sometimes his snark is intentional. And sometimes you look at him, you’re like, wait, are you being serious right now? And I don’t know, I don’t know what he meant by it, but I do think that for him to say it publicly. Cause that’s, that’s kind of who he is. I mean, he’ll just say it. But if you, if you dive down into that comment and he said it and he meant it, then what he’s saying is, yeah, that offense. I mean you can gimmick up some stuff here and there, but you’re gonna run out of that. And after that there is nothing to it. OK, so I’ll go back to what I said before about all the receivers separation and all that, that all the, all the data, take the emotion out of it. The data tells you this offense sucks and they don’t have talent. So, so I said, what do you want them to call and you said trick plays, OK. They called a couple. You run out and then you, so did so again I go back to. What do you want to call? — There’s nothing
— here. Once again, nothing. — The Jets had nothing and Bruce
— Hall had 130. You’ve been praising Bruce Hall for years. He’s a great running back. I, — I have
— not been praising you have. He’s a good running back. OK. — He
— had 133 yards and two touchdowns. Thanks for the trade, Ant. What’s that? No wonder you know every single I look it up. Can you name a wide receiver that played for the Jets yesterday, that played for the Jets? No, because I didn’t watch the game. I just, — I just
— looked at Bree. They didn’t have a single wide receiver do anything that, that, uh, a single wide receiver that had ever done anything in the, in their careers ever. Their top two wide receivers were out. The Bre Hall was coming off an injury. — Their tight end was coming off an injury just their
— mistakes like I, I, — I didn’t play they made a
— lot of good plays. Justin Fields did a good job, made some good throws in the second half, but there weren’t like big sixes. Like, no, can they do that again? But can the Browns do it at all? Can they do it again? We’ve done it twice. I don’t know that they win. — The
— Jets, the Jets, the Jets are a terrible football team. — The Browns are a
— terrible football team, Jason, that every other team, including the Jets, including the bad teams. Occasionally have a good offensive and the Browns have not done it once. OK, great. And and the the the Jets put out there draft was not any worse than what the Browns were putting out a tweet or tweeted this earlier. We talked about this morning, but Costco, who’s been on the show before, put out a tweet and part of the reason the Browns struggled to move the ball offensively and part of the reason I think we don’t see those one-off performances right now is. The quarterback play we’ve gotten recently is even subpar considering the standard of a Browns quarterback. And some of these tweets, and I understand it comes from PFF and this is from John Costco, who works for PFF, uh, kind of paint a picture of where Dylan Gabriel ranks among the league in some important categories through his four starts. And see if you want to take this, you’ll be able to read this, but you can see his 4 grades on the screen. These are PFF grades. Highest of the 4 was his first start, a 63.5, but it’s the bottom line I want to mention. That I want to point out here Gabriel is the lowest graded passer in the NFL with the minimum of 100 attempts. He has the worst uncatchable throw rate, 2nd lowest big time throw rate, 3rd worst in terms of the most turnover worthy plays. He is the lowest positive grade rate and he’s the 2nd worst in rhythm throwing. So he’s the worst quarterback in the league is what you’re saying easily, easily and and that tracks because I thought the Vikings game was his best game. And he’s progressively gotten worse each game, and, and for me. I, I, I’m gonna point at Kevin Steanski for two things that he keeps saying. If, if it’s true that the word is that he’s not ready, he’s been in the Browns offense for what, 5 months now? 6 months, I mean, on and off, you know, with the mini camps and everything, uh, give him 6, say 6. Um, why isn’t he ready? Get them ready. It’s your job to get them ready. Get them ready. — Don’t use that as an I
— don’t trust that he knows who’s ready and and here’s the other thing. The other thing is. I need my quarterback to get better his 1st 4 games. He’s gotten markedly worse each time out. Coach, what are you doing? What are you doing? I know you’ve got no players, but he, he can’t. He had the same players with the 63.5 as he had with his 38.4. And the damning part. How’s he get worse? The damning part about it is Joe Flacco looked the same way. Yes, and that veteran. Yes, the same, same way. Uh, actually, the talent around him got better because they had the Joku back — yesterday
— and they’ve gotten some guys on the line have been out, — but there’s
— also tape on them now. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, — all it does is drop back and I’m
— just saying now teams know it, not that they didn’t know what to expect, but his best game was his, his best game was his first game and now teams know how to scheme him. He wouldn’t. It’s, it’s, it’s funny because the other team on the other sideline is laughing like, dude, that’s the guy you’re playing? That’s him. They, they’re, they’re laughing. Like, like, it, it’s like they can’t believe it. Would, would, he would be a third string quarterback maybe on Maybe a fringe bad team. You know what’s funny? He was supposed to be the 3rd string quarterback on a bad team. Yes, he was. That was the job for 24 hours. That was the plan. 3rd string quarterback on a bad team. That’s why I’m saying how did we get to the point where he’s now the starter in October? We should discuss that. Uh, I guess they’re all in lockstep, but I was the first adult in the room to step forward and say, yeah, let’s move on from Pickett. I don’t know. You don’t know. See, this is, you think they’d have any more wins with Kenny Pickett? Yes, I don’t, I want to hear what you’re saying. So, so this is, this is the point. They’ve gassed you from Jump Street. You were told, we were told at nauseam that Kenny Pickett was the guy who was getting reps. We like Pinkett. We want to see what Pickett is. I was saying that like there wasn’t, there was a couple of us, but I was saying, Mary Kay, uh uh uh Tony Grossi. — There was multiple reports that’s multiple reports that said that
— they, and then so he gets hurt and my question is just like you. How is it that you go from this guy getting the majority in the bulk of your reps to one day you coming in and he never plays it down for you, — not in I
— said when they I don’t understand what they’re doing. I didn’t understand any of it. I didn’t understand the signing of Flacco, the trade of Kenny, and then when you move off Flacco at the time when they traded Flacco, it’s like, alright, well he can’t move whatever. I, I didn’t think he’d have a better chat with the Bengals just because who he was throwing to. And I took that as, OK, well they must really like Dylan. Well, Dylan ain’t it at all, and now you’ve left yourself in a position with no safety net whatsoever and it really goes back. The picket one is the one that I can’t wrap my head around of how — we got
— to this really started the whole thing because the the organization doesn’t, they don’t care about winning and they’re OK having a loser mental like right now they don’t care about winning. That’s true. No, they don’t. — I told you I’ve said that’s all
— the time. Did you guys I don’t know if you did any reporting or dug on it. We did upstairs. I didn’t see the letter. The Browns sent the letter out to a group of season ticket holders. On pricing. Are you hearing some of these numbers? Yeah, I, I think Zach sent me something. This could be the end of the Cleveland Browns again. I got a text from somebody who took the survey. We’re gonna do it later in the week. I have all the pricing and stuff. — I just didn’t have time to
— some of the numbers, Mike. I. PSL numbers. I, I kept telling you guys there’s gonna be, yeah, with the sticker shock. — I have it
— in $149,000 PSL ticket price for the lower bowl or some of the spots in lower bowl. Who’s gonna hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on for one. Don’t be shy stadium. hey, listen, why do you think I’ve been telling you all they care about is 22. No, you can’t put a garbage in there and expect people to. They, they was upfront about how much money they wanted from the taxpayers. We should be upfront about how much they trying to shove these tickets down your throat in a bad product. How much did you say they were? I don’t want to be much mouthed now. I, we, they in the news every week talking about how we get this, we about to get this news, but they good with all that stuff, but you got an email back chain when about how much the prices cost. They’re telling you right now. You ain’t got the money for it, but you but you better find 1. 149, like, you’re talking house money. Gee, that’s for the right to purchase tickets. How is it even legal? How is it even legal? Bull, it’s a free and open market. Well, — here’s what’s legal for
— some people, Jay, it’s only for rich people. It’s, no, no, you’re asking from the business side of it. How is it legal? You can do whatever you want. That doesn’t mean the consumer is gonna be. Dumb enough to pay it. — Look at
— Yankee Stadium. I was just thinking that I was just Yankee Stadium. I remember when they were building and, and the funny thing is like I had a big conversation, more, more of a debate with the guy who told me that it would never matter how much tickets were at Yankee Stadium. This is right before they opened the new one, and I go, let me tell you something, man. It does matter because at some point you ask yourself this. Is it worth the enjoyment? Now the Yankees win. Watch any regular season home Yankee game and look at the premium seats. Just look at them. They’re surprisingly empty. We have more people in our premium seats at Progressive Field, and we’re near the bottom of attendance than they do. Why? Well, the Yankees overcalculated. They made the calculation that, that my buddy, who was a lifetime New Yorker and Yankees fan, you can never price Yankee fans out of the ballpark. Well, they have. And that’s the number one market in the United States of America in terms of financial, uh, uh, household wealth, all of that and we’re gonna try to do that here. This might be and Jimmy’s made some major miscalculations, major, major miscalculations when it comes to how to run a football team. This might be the single biggest miscalculation and I don’t know. I can’t wait until they get the results from the surveys because they’re asking their customers, their diehard customers about what the pain threshold is with tickets. Only way, only with luck with that. Only way to get that off is they find a quarterback. That’s the only way you’re getting it off. That’s the only way. And by the way, — but here’s
— the problem. Now this, now you sound like me. — This is what I’ve been saying
— if you, if you wanna, if you wanna gas that price, — you better have do
— you — know
— how many Clevelanders do you know? Now, and you don’t just buy one season ticket. Nobody does that. You, you, you go with someone. You don’t want to go and sit by yourself, — spend $150,000 for the right that they’re
— counting on, they’re counting on 8 people to split it. — I
— don’t know. OK, — that’s
— fine, but I split it, you get one game for a buck. I, yeah, — the problem here
— is that and I think they’re starting high and the prices will probably come down. Well, if they were trying to shock at all, they did. I’ll take screenshots from the survey. We’ll do it later. — It’s
— diving into. Let me tell you they might not want to hear it, but Jimmy, I’m gonna tell you this. Oh, there’s some people that would show up to that game. There’s people that never seen the Colorado game in their whole entire life, and they bought season tickets and they live out of state. I’m telling you, you think I’m playing? They’ll pull up. You think, uh, they throw it, throw it in the comment section. — You see if you see
— 150,000. I’m gonna tell you what. I’m gonna tell you, listen, I ain’t gonna say 150,000, but let me tell you something. If they play Shadoor Sanders, I’m gonna tell you what, there is rich, like there are, there are rappers and entertainers that pull up on sidelines just cause, just cause, just on, listen, by the way, the calculus is already written in there. Why do you think, how do you think that it blew up? He said it, it blew up in 24 hours. Their plan was never to draft Shadoor Sanders, but somebody pulled up in the middle of the night and said. Can we afford to take, we can’t afford to take that that marketing chip off the table, Jimmy said when we left the draft Friday night, I’m paraphrasing, drafting Shaddo was not on the table, and yet Saturday Shaddo was drafted here and I don’t, I don’t have connected. I have, I, I think I know where you’re going with this. Yes, I think what you’re doing is saying, but here’s the thing. Yes, I do. That might be the largest leap of faith of all time because he was drafted in calendar year 2025. You’re moving into the new stadium in 2029. You’re, you’re making a calculus that a 5th round draft pick is gonna be so good that he can start for the Browns in 4 years. We haven’t had a quarterback do that. No, no, no, my, my calculus is this. Jimmy understands. I, I made this analogy. I don’t know nobody that builds a new house and brings in old furniture. If you build a house from the ground up, I ain’t bringing nothing from my old furniture. Well, new furniture would be a college graduate in 2028. No, new furniture. — So you gotta
— have something who’s established who is a star. gonna do that in two years. I keep telling you all they care about is 2029. — They have drafts
— to get ready for it. Let me finish what was going with it. Let me finish what I’m saying. You, you, you get, you know what, what new furniture is? A new regime. Every time you say no, no, hold on, but here’s the thing, Jay. See, you’re a little older, you don’t fall for the trick. They only, they only got fool the young people. — They only got a fool the 50 and
— 40. Yeah, but you gotta fool them every year. But no, if you get a new regime, guess how many years that you all, we all preach. There will be two regimes by 2020. I will. A new regime gives you two years. A new regime gives you, I want my quarterback. I get to have my, I, I’m telling you I said with the Deshaun Watson trade that this is going to set the team back a decade. It’s going to be a decade. It will. All right, let’s leave that for now. We’re gonna get to move on. Take us to the good news of the day I will do yes or no answer, said he would not make a quarterback. We’ll start with you, I would absolutely. he said. No, I would do it. — He’s
— not. I don’t have a strong opinion either way. I really do. I don’t think it’s gonna matter. Well, remember a couple of weeks ago we left here and we all had said on the show, Shadour’s the 3, he’s gonna be the 3. Everything’s lead and before and we finished the show and we were standing in the parking lot and Mikey walked out and he goes, Shadour’s the 2. I mean, it’s like, and we looked at each other, and you know what we said that’s the Browns. There’s there’s no, — you never know what they’re gonna
— do. — There’s no reason not to play Shadoor
— Sanders. I think Shadoor is going to play at some point this season. Can I ask a question just make, I didn’t see it. I only saw it from one person, so I don’t know if it’s true. You all this stuff you hear and see. Someone said that Jimmy’s grandkids were on the field wearing twelves. That was, uh, Miami game. Was that true? I, I don’t, I didn’t see their faces. I don’t know if that was his grandkids, but, but I mean, go back and look at that famous Jets picture from a few years ago, exactly. So it, it probably was them, — but I didn’t
— see. So the reason why I, and I know it’s, it’s a hedge, but that you got a hedge with the Browns because you just don’t know. I say if it Kevin will not make the decision to put Shadour in after the. I, I agree with that. However, If Jimmy comes down and says I wanna see, I wanna see the kid that he’s that he’s in, that’s it.

The debate over whether the Browns should bench Dillon Gabriel for rookie Shedeur Sanders has reached a fever pitch following Cleveland’s dismal 32-13 loss to the New England Patriots. While head coach Kevin Stefanski remains steadfast in his commitment to Gabriel, the offensive struggles have many wondering how much longer that position can hold.

“It’s going to get to a point where even right now, like, I don’t blame the people that want to see Shedeur because what has there been exciting about this offense this season? There has not been much and there is this idea among fans that hey, maybe this is somebody who can bring some of that excitement,” Browns beat reporter Ashley Bastock said during the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. | https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2025/10/the-shedeur-sanders-ultimatum-why-the-browns-can-no-longer-ignore-the-rookie-qb-debate.html

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