“I thought I was the difference-maker. I thought, ‘The organization doesn’t matter. The players on the field are what matters.’ And I was 100 percent wrong. All that matters is the organization. Because great organizations get the right players.”
How do yall feel about this quote from Palmer with where we are at with this team?
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I fought it for a long time. I defended the organization against sour grapes former players. I can’t do it anymore. We’re a flawed franchise built on nepotism, greed, and arrogance. I cannot and will not fault any players for refusing to play here or asking for a trade.
Its a sad and somewhat humbling realization.
He was correct then and correct now. This organization is garbage.
he was always right, anyone can see that, people don’t like the way he went about publicly requesting a trade, refusing to play, and bashing the organization for years afterwards. people can hate carson palmer for how he did it and still acknowledge that he was right.
Ironically if Palmer had just stuck around he would have enjoyed 6 straight years of top offensive lines and defenses. He had no point, we had good running backs, receivers, tight ends and in his last year he played with rookie Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap. He would have played alongside an absolutely loaded roster had he stuck around.
We’ve all known Palmer was right, no shit. However,
The front office listened to the players and its fans. They paid Tee. They paid Ja’Marr. They paid Hendrickson. They’ve been dumping money into quality of life improvements for the players like the new locker rooms, the indoor practice facility etc.
I feel like its pretty hypocritical to scream and bitch to the front office for doing exactly what we wanted them to do for a long time. They’ve made a concerted effort to modernize and be better, and it doesn’t happen overnight with the ownership group having the smallest pool of wealth in the NFL.
The offense has been as promised, we need to hit on some free agents and draft picks next year. Specifically D-Line. IMO most of our issues lie with our ability to generate pressure. Without Hendrickson its been non-existent.
Anyone that pointed that out in the past was crucified. Palmer wanted to win & didnt believe management was on board with that so he decided to leave. He was labeled a traitor. Palmer balled out here. I appreciate his efforts.
He was absolutely right. Any sane GM wouldn’t put basically the same defense on the field 3 years in a row and expect different results. Signing cheap backups from other teams and “developing” rookies hasn’t been working
He’s always had a point
Palmer was always right.
The Bengals have been and always will be a poverty franchise!
Sadly he has a point. We won’t ever be anything unless we get new management. And it’s sad too, so much talent wasted here. Geno atkins, Munoz, Chad, aj green, so many big names never got anything here. Because this organization is incompetent. I wish we had an owner like the colts
Palmer was right all along, but that doesn’t mean I have to like him.
He could’ve still been ” that dude” with that offense with Ocho, tj and Chris Henry.
Andy dalton wasn’t the same talent as he was and at least made the playoffs (not won there) but made it with less talent.
He’s long had a point. Chad made a great point. T.J. did also. As well as Willie, Max Montoya, Corey Dillon, and Takeo.
This franchise does just enough. Mediocrity is its Super Bowl.
Different situation kinda. In Palmer years Bengals didn’t even try to be competitive.
The Burrow years they are half assed trying to be competitive and just suck really bad at it.
Palmer was the worst messenger for it, even if he was right.
Guy quit on one of the best rosters in the NFL.
The part that is tough to swallow is that the org actually did a lot of things right this time – paid the stars this and last offseason, invested heavier in some bigger FAs (Orlando Brown was considered a huge get at the time), put a TON of draft capital into the defense.
Where it is most clear that they erred is that they decided the big investment was going to be in our Big 3 on offense rather than defense, and banked on developing a defense rather than paying guys like JB3 and DJ. It was a pretty conscious decision and is a defensible strategy if you feel good about your scouting, but in our case the scouting has just been garbage. JB3 in particular IMO is the “Whitworth” this time around that we will most regret letting get away
Palmer is not and was never a winner.
This is true for every sport. The quality of the ownership/FO/coaching is genuinely the only thing that matters. Perennial bottomfeeders like the Bengals may luck into some superstars every once in a while and they might put together some winning seasons, but those will never last.
Do I think this org is severely lacking in many areas, duh. Do I think they have often failed duh.
Two things can be true, narratives like this are completely asinine. It’s viewed that this org has failed in the Joe Burrow failure and it’s hard to argue with in recent years. However failure looks like back to back afc championship games and a one possession superbowl loss.
If one play goes slightly different the bengals have a Super Bowl and the entire discourse forever changes.
The pats are a great org because they had tom Brady and hired bill the end.
The niners are a great org because they had Montana, young, and then hired Kyle Shanahan years later. How’d it go in between?
The Cowboys were a great org because they made 1 crazy trade and hit the lotto on the draft picks, how has it gone since?
There is no right way to do things, there is only results. For example the patriots didn’t spend a ton of money in the Brady era, they had long droughts of drafting poorly, and they were the greatest dynasty the league ever saw. They had a goat qb who regularly took less money and a coach who was excellent at taking other peoples trash finding out what they do well and putting them in position to do that thing
If I played for the Bengals I would demand a trade
How anybody could defend the bungos is beyond me.
It’s not that he’s wrong. He’s just an asshole.
Yall realizing this now!? We got hobbyists that are showing that they would DESTROY our front office. Hire Joe Goodberry to do the drafting. I would never have thought that a hobbyist YouTuber would be a better analyst than the ones hired by an NFL team. But that’s the reality.
Palmer was angry bc the Bengals didn’t bring in free agents to help them win. He was obviously correct at the time but they spend in free agency now. The issue most have with Palmer is he continues to bash the Bengals even after they’ve made the improvements he bitched about. It’s funny bc they drafted better when they didn’t spend much in free agency. Now they are hitting on free agents more often, but can’t draft for shit
I feel like while we suck right now we also came within one play of winning a Super Bowl four years ago.
Ummm… he’s been right.
Absolutely 100% he was correct!
Duke Tobin didn’t wanna pay more for the same team, and that’s exactly what he did because the front office sat in their hands..
He was right but he shouldn’t have said it. It came across as petty.
Hindsight is 20/20. Palmer tried. Joey tried. Its all top down with our issues. It wasnt Lou. Zac could be better but it all isnt on him either and thats coming from someone who been pounding the Fire ZT drum all last year
It’s now time? He’s been right for a long time.
It’s unreal that no one has been fired today after losing to the worst team in the NFL without their 2 best players at home. Once burrow inevitably forces a trade, I’m out
The organization is light years ahead from when Palmer was here. Rehashing it is not worth it. He was still a bitch that quit on his team and city.
Palmer always had a point. I was with him back then and still am today. I couldn’t really understand why fans weren’t on his side. It’s really strange, honestly. Your quarterback wanted real change and wanted to win so let’s throw garbage on his lawn because he was left with no choice and made his decision.
He had a point if he hadn’t have went to two other garbage franchises.
everyone’s in here bitching about the wrong things….okay…. the owners “cash poor”. well maybe take that money you throw at Vets nobody wants to try and plug a leak and invest in an actually fucking scouting department so you’re not missing on draft picks 3 years in a fucking row
I have never doubted he was right but also, it doesn’t matter much… Not like i am leaving the team.
Its a bit like dwelling of florio always talking about how burrow wouldn’t have come here but for being from ohio
Over the past 30 years the Bengals have been to one SB and quite frankly, there was some luck involved. The only constant is the organization, not coaches not players.
He still quit on the team regardless, but it backfired because Andy was just good enough to get to 5 straight playoffs. Rip Lewis all you want but that 7 man rotation DL was one of the best in the league. Geno, Carlos Geathers, Johnson, Peko, Rucker with Fanene.
Not 1 of them was a FA/trade like Taylor got with Trey, Hill and Reader.
They have a terrible coach – the same guy who wanted Murphy, Carmen, and Stewart, and who hires his buddies in key roles. Bad coach, terrible game manager, awful at picking, recruiting, or developing talent in the trenches. Cleveland is better run and organized.
I thought he was just salty about how things ended with the team after his knee injury. Then saw how things went with the team and Marvin the next few years and realized he was 100% right. Confirmed it when Whit came out against the org too. Things will never change. At this point I think we all have Stockholm syndrome lol
Kids that grew up playing Madden know more about football than the entire front office.
It’s gonna hurt when Burrow and Chase leave near the end of their careers and win a ring with other teams
He was always right