I’ll give Loveland a pass because he is a rookie has not have gotten enough reps, but Kmet baby what you doing at the bottom?

Still believe in Loveland but it pains me to see Tyler Warren on top.

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  3. i havent liked kmets effort the past two years, he seems checked out and gives up on routes often.

    but im a hater too so idk

  4. That screams scheme, to me.
    He’s not calling plays where TEs are the primary targets.
    Warren is having a lot of success not only because of his obvious talent, but the Colts OL doesn’t need him to run block or chip on Pass protection. He can just go be a receiver.

    Kmet and Loveland are being asked to block constantly.

  9. BJ is using them for blocking, not routes. You can tell Caleb gets pressured more when Kmet or Loveland is out.

  10. Here come the Loveland apologists to explain why this pick wasn’t one of the dumbest in Poles tenure

  14. “Route DVOA is based on value per routes run, which accounts for the skill of getting open and earning targets.”

    This is not how Ben Johnson’s scheme works at all, or most schemes for that matter. Certain routes are designed to draw defenders to get other guys open. Whether a route has “value” is dependent on the design of the play and if it was run correctly, not how open it is or “earning targets.”

    I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the top of the chart features guys who are likely the primary target on a lot of plays and the bottom of the chart are guys doing the dirty work.

  16. He doesn’t get reps coz he’s ass. He gets flags at a high rate. You don’t play when you hinder the team.
    Loveland was a wasted pick.

  17. This is less on the players and how we utilize them. Really, if you look at the way the offense is today, there’s only like 40-60 yards for the TE’s receiving. Between two TE’s that about 20 yards or so. So maybe a few targets. And if you look at the game it sounds about right, we are typically about 40-60 yards short of having a great season. Can’t capitalize in the redzone those are about 20 yards or so, penalties taking away completions. Makes sense.

  22. Wasn’t there a stat that the OL were credited with the most sacks in the league last year? Things are a lot better now. Maybe after year 1 the OL will be cohesive up to Lions/Colts standards and TEs can be unleashed in the passing game a little more. Just be happy your QB1 isn’t getting ruined with the yips this season.

  24. Why are we treating this stat as the end all be all to gauge a tight end? Football really struggles with the new advance metrics because they just can’t account for scheme and coaching

  25. This sub so drastically overrates Kmet, he’s league average at his absolute best and he keeps talking penalties with little to no production

  27. I’m not too worried about it yet. 

    The amount of cherry picked stats to support any opinion on this sub is headache inducing. 

    I think there’s absolutely an argument to be made that picking Loveland (or even Warren) at 10 was a stretch considering the other roster needs. 

    I also think there’s an argument to be made that time lost due to injuries, scheme and Caleb’s propensity to not look for his TE are all currently keeping his numbers suppressed in a way which isn’t reflective of his ability. 

    The Chef has cooked up more than his fair share of wasted picks but calling Loveland one of them half a season into his career is a bit premature. 

  28. Caleb only throws to them when they’re schemed open. They don’t get a ton of separation and the QB is extremely hesitant throwing to guys in tight coverage. They’re also constantly around the line of scrimmage blocking, which means by the time they’ve leaked out Caleb has often already moved out of the pocket and is looking downfield.

  29. DVOA is best understood as a team stat, so this doesn’t necessarily reflect the individual quality of the players involved, but it does call into question a team that finished 5-12 picking a player at 10 who wasn’t going to meaningfully contribute in year 1.

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